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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>While somewhat related to this topic of thermostats I have an early BN6 with the temperature gauge in the top of the rad. It is a bit discomforting to see no temperature reading in cooler weather until the thermostat opens up. The block appears to have the same hole where 3000s have their temperature gauge. If I acquired a 3000 temp gauge would the sensor end fit in there?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ross<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Nock BCS<br><b>Sent:</b> September 13, 2018 9:07 AM<br><b>To:</b> Don Day <fsufan1952@yahoo.com>; healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Thermostats<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>Yes we have a wax capsule type thermostat that incorporates the sleeve, They only come in one temperature 165 degree.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>David Nock<br>British Car Specialists<br>209-948-8767<br>www.britishcarspecialists.com<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> <a href="mailto:fsufan1952@yahoo.com" title="fsufan1952@yahoo.com">Don Day</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:26 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> <a href="mailto:healeydoc@sbcglobal.net" title="healeydoc@sbcglobal.net">David Nock BCS</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> Re: [Healeys] Thermostats<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>So do you sell a sleeved thermostat for my 67 BJ-8 <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> Don <o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><br>On Sep 12, 2018, at 11:49 AM, David Nock BCS <<a href="mailto:healeydoc@sbcglobal.net">healeydoc@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>Remember the job of the thermostat is not to COOL the engine. It is there to get the engine up to operating temperature as soon as possible. The radiator, fan, air ducts are there to maintain the engine temperature.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>The sleeved thermostat is there to block a bypass in the cylinder head that is there to allow coolant to circulate when the thermostat is closed. If you use a non sleeved thermostat you will have part of the coolant NOT going thru the radiator thus causing the engine temp to run high.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>Next how many lights and badges do you have on the front of your car. They will deflect some of the air going into the radiator.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>David Nock<br>British Car Specialists<br>209-948-8767<br><a href="http://www.britishcarspecialists.com">www.britishcarspecialists.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> <a href="mailto:roggrace@telus.net" title="roggrace@telus.net">Roger Grace</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> Tuesday, September 11, 2018 3:44 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> <a href="mailto:sbyers@ec.rr.com" title="sbyers@ec.rr.com">BJ8Healeys</a> ; <a href="mailto:Healeys@autox.team.net" title="Healeys@autox.team.net">'healeys'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> Re: [Healeys] Thermostats<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Steve,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Yes agree with your take on the 160 F thermostats. The only possible benefit is that if you start with a lower coolant temp, when you hit traffic, it will take longer before the dreaded over temp zone is approached.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>As an aside, I have installed an oil temp gauge; very useful and a reminder just how long the engine (not coolant) takes to get up to temp. Trying to get in the habit of not going over 2000 RPM till OT is about 120F – often another 15-20 mins after the thermostat opens. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>rg<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> BJ8Healeys <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> Monday, September 10, 2018 12:44 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> 'healeys' <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> Re: [Healeys] Thermostats<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>Fred, I personally believe a 160-deg. F thermostat used in an effort to "cool down" a Healey is useless. A thermostat responds only to the temperature of the coolant flowing through it by opening up to increase coolant flow, and once it is open all the way at 160+, it is out of the loop and can't open further to cool more. I am on the NC coast where winters are mild. I once tried a 160 (non-sleeved) because I had one that someone gave me. My BJ8 ran so cold that winter that I actually had to block part of the radiator to raise it to anywhere near normal. Up there in the NC mountains, that would be even more of a problem for you.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>I use a 187 F (86 C) New Old Stock AC sleeved thermostat (AC part number 1572320) that I was able to score from lister Kees Oudesluijs. I installed it along with an upgraded core in the radiator at the same time, so I can't really say how much improvement the thermostat alone did; but since the modification my car runs consistently at 170 - 180 in the hot summers of the NC coast, except when in stop-and-go traffic when it might make it to 190 or a bit above. In winter, it runs at 160 - 170. I can see the sleeve operate as the car warms up because the gauge will cycle between 160 and 190 until coolant temperature stabilizes. That can take up to 50 miles.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>A friend placed an order later with Kees for several of the 190 F sleeved thermostats. I got one of those as a spare. Don't know if he has any left, or can get more. As far as I know, the only sleeved thermostats available from the usual suspects are 160s and I wouldn't waste my money on them.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>I just Googled the AC part number and came up with this source:</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'><a href="https://tinyurl.com/y9c6n53h">https://tinyurl.com/y9c6n53h</a></span></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>Unfortunately, it does not post to the USA (but on the bright side, it offers free shipping!). Maybe you could work out a deal with a UK lister to buy one for you and ship it to you. £19.99 = $26.04 </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>Steve Byers</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>HBJ8L/36666</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>BJ8 Registry</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>AHCA Delegate at Large</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>Havelock, NC </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> Healeys [<a href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Fred Wescoe<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 09, 2018 8:38 PM<br><b>To:</b> healeys<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Thermostats</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Listers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>I have researched what I can of the archives and other sources and am still puzzled. I cannot find any real answers and direction on the question of which thermostat I should use in my 66 BJ8. Some answers indicate a sleeved thermostat and others say no sleeve. Some say a short sleeve and others say only the long sleeve works. Some answers indicate using a 160 degree thermostat while others propose 180 degrees and even 190 degrees. Some even say the Moss sleeved thermostat does not work.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>I am in North Carolina and drive the car most of the year. Right now the car has a non sleeved 190 degree thermostat. The car starts and needs to warm up, at idle, to almost full temp before it runs with no problems. Otherwise it spits, coughs and has no power. The car runs at about 190 degres except when I drive the mountains and of course stop and go traffic.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>What is the consensus of thoughts as we approach colder weather? And what are the sources and manufacturer for a good thermostat?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Thanks for the help,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Fred<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>66BJ8<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id=DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=3 cellpadding=0 style='border:none;border-top:solid #D3D4DE 1.0pt'><tr><td width=58 style='width:41.25pt;border:none;padding:9.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><a href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient" target="_blank"><span style='border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=46 height=29 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D44B9C.29F54BF0" alt="Image removed by sender."></span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=473 style='width:352.5pt;border:none;padding:9.0pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#41424E'>Virus-free. <a href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient" target="_blank"><span style='color:#4453EA'>www.avg.com</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>Support <a href="http://Team.Net">Team.Net</a> <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Suggested annual donation $12.75<br><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys">http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys</a><br><br><a href="mailto:Healeys@autox.team.net">Healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys</a><br><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/roggrace@telus.net">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/roggrace@telus.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>Support <a href="http://Team.Net">Team.Net</a> <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Suggested annual donation $12.75<br><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys">http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys</a><br><br><a href="mailto:Healeys@autox.team.net">Healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys</a><br><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeydoc@sbcglobalnet">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeydoc@sbcglobal.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>Support <a href="http://Team.Net">Team.Net</a> <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.teamnet/donate.html</a><br>Suggested annual donation $12.75<br><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys">http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys</a><br><br><a href="mailto:Healeys@autox.team.net">Healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys</a><br><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/fsufan1952@yahoo.com">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/fsufan1952@yahoo.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>