<div dir="auto">Also in the 70s and 80s a number of shops were just trying to salvage wrecks and get cars back on the road. You could buy a running car for $500-1500. They were just cool old cars of not much value. No intent of deception, just working to save what we could. Fast forward 40 years and 40 times the value and some of these cars are now an issue as plates don't match the car...<div dir="auto">If I had known then, I would have bought as many cars as I could. I guess I did, I bought one :)</div><div dir="auto">I've owned my car for 42 years and paid <span class="money">$500.00</span> for it.<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Ira Erbs<br>Portland, OR<br>typos and artifacts are the fault of my phone</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, May 14, 2018, 5:04 AM BJ8Healeys <<a href="mailto:sbyers@ec.rr.com">sbyers@ec.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_6125262873495423147WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">From: </span></b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Bob Spidell <<a href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bspidell@comcast.net</a>></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ7 or BJ8</span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Date: </span></b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">May 13, 2018 at 11:06:49 AM EDT</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">To: </span></b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue","serif"">"...<span class="m_6125262873495423147apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="color:#002060">car that was created by Fourintune out of two junked BJ8s and they put a BJ7 VIN plate on it and sold it to someone in New York state"</span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue","serif";color:#002060">Hmmm ... Am I the only one who thinks this was a bit shady?</span><span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue","serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue","serif";color:#002060">Bob<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue","serif";color:#002060">--------------------------------------<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">From my first post about the subject, in my effort to be brief it has been suggested to me that I was slandering Fourintune. This was not my intention, so I think I need to provide some additional details and correct the statement about the BJ7 VIN plate.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">In about 1988, Fourintune did build a single BJ8 from two wrecked cars (as told to me by the owner of that car). Since I have a photo of the car with a Wisconsin license plate, I assume that Fourintune registered the car in Wisconsin, but if so I do not know the VIN used. Fourintune sold the car to someone in New York state. He was apparently fully aware of the origin of the car because he told me about it and provided photos of the scrapped vehicles, but he did not pay much attention to its VIN and was not aware of a discrepancy until I told him about it when I saw the car at Watkins Glen in 2000. The VIN plate on the firewall read HBJ</span><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:red">8</span><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">L/23397 (photo attached) -- a BJ8 prefix but a BJ7 chassis number (not a BJ7 plate as I previously stated). The plate is also the very late BJ8 style with rounded ends, instead of the typical rectangular plate. There was no body plate nor engine serial number.<br>There is no evidence or reason to say, nor was I trying to do so, that Fourintune was engaging in deceptive or unethical activity by creating one car from two, nor in creating a VIN plate that had two obvious clues to the fact that it was not original factory issue, would not duplicate the VIN on any other BJ7 or BJ8, and they did not conceal the true origin of the car from its next owner when they sold it.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">The New York owner later moved to North Carolina and when he applied for a title here the DMV inspector noticed there was a discrepancy between the number on the plate and the number on the NY title (which read HBJ</span><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:red">7</span><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">L23397). Why the NY title has a valid BJ7 VIN on it is not known, but was probably a simple mistake (or it may have been a mistake on the WI title). Because of this discrepancy, the owner was required to obtain a surety bond for 1-1/2 times the value of the car for a period of three years. The NC DMV attached a new plate to the firewall with their own number, NCS89924, and that is the number that the car is now registered with.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">There is a lesson to be learned here. VINs are important. There are a LOT of cars out there that have had identity plates recreated or exchanged with other cars. As BJ8 Registrar for almost 20 years now, I can tell you several other stories of grief owners have had in trying to register cars when the paperwork and VINs did not agree. Are you sure that the plates on your car are original factory-issue and belong to it? Is the VIN correct on the title and other paperwork?</span><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">Steve Byers</span><span style="color:#002060"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">HBJ8L/36666</span><span style="color:#002060"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">BJ8 Registry</span><span style="color:#002060"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">AHCA Delegate at Large</span><span style="color:#002060"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">Havelock, NC </span><span style="color:#002060"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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