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<p>My comment was poorly worded as well. I didn't mean to disparage
Fourintune--about which I've heard and read nothing but great
things--but was thinking 'anyone that WOULD do this is shady.' <br>
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<p>Bob<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/14/2018 6:42 AM, i erbs wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Also in the 70s and 80s a number of shops were
just trying to salvage wrecks and get cars back on the road. You
could buy a running car for $500-1500. They were just cool old
cars of not much value. No intent of deception, just working to
save what we could. Fast forward 40 years and 40 times the value
and some of these cars are now an issue as plates don't match
the car...
<div dir="auto">If I had known then, I would have bought as many
cars as I could. I guess I did, I bought one :)</div>
<div dir="auto">I've owned my car for 42 years and paid <span
class="money">$500.00</span> for it.<br>
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<div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Ira Erbs<br>
Portland, OR<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, May 14, 2018, 5:04 AM BJ8Healeys <<a
href="mailto:sbyers@ec.rr.com" moz-do-not-send="true">sbyers@ec.rr.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Bob
Spidell <<a href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">bspidell@comcast.net</a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Subject:
Re: [Healeys] BJ7 or BJ8</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Date:
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style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">May
13, 2018 at 11:06:49 AM EDT</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">To:
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style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><a
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue","serif"">"...<span
class="m_6125262873495423147apple-converted-space"> </span><span
style="color:#002060">car that was created by
Fourintune out of two junked BJ8s and they put a BJ7
VIN plate on it and sold it to someone in New York
state"</span></span></p>
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style="background:white;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue","serif";color:#002060">Hmmm
... Am I the only one who thinks this was a bit shady?</span><span
style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue","serif""></span></p>
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style="background:white;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue","serif";color:#002060">Bob</span></p>
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style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue","serif";color:#002060">--------------------------------------</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Comic Sans
MS";color:#002060">From my first post about the
subject, in my effort to be brief it has been
suggested to me that I was slandering Fourintune.
This was not my intention, so I think I need to
provide some additional details and correct the
statement about the BJ7 VIN plate.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Comic Sans
MS";color:#002060">In about 1988, Fourintune did
build a single BJ8 from two wrecked cars (as told to
me by the owner of that car). Since I have a photo of
the car with a Wisconsin license plate, I assume that
Fourintune registered the car in Wisconsin, but if so
I do not know the VIN used. Fourintune sold the car
to someone in New York state. He was apparently fully
aware of the origin of the car because he told me
about it and provided photos of the scrapped vehicles,
but he did not pay much attention to its VIN and was
not aware of a discrepancy until I told him about it
when I saw the car at Watkins Glen in 2000. The VIN
plate on the firewall read HBJ</span><span
style="font-family:"Comic Sans
MS";color:red">8</span><span
style="font-family:"Comic Sans
MS";color:#002060">L/23397 (photo attached) -- a
BJ8 prefix but a BJ7 chassis number (not a BJ7 plate
as I previously stated). The plate is also the very
late BJ8 style with rounded ends, instead of the
typical rectangular plate. There was no body plate
nor engine serial number.<br>
There is no evidence or reason to say, nor was I
trying to do so, that Fourintune was engaging in
deceptive or unethical activity by creating one car
from two, nor in creating a VIN plate that had two
obvious clues to the fact that it was not original
factory issue, would not duplicate the VIN on any
other BJ7 or BJ8, and they did not conceal the true
origin of the car from its next owner when they sold
it.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Comic Sans
MS";color:#002060">The New York owner later moved
to North Carolina and when he applied for a title here
the DMV inspector noticed there was a discrepancy
between the number on the plate and the number on the
NY title (which read HBJ</span><span
style="font-family:"Comic Sans
MS";color:red">7</span><span
style="font-family:"Comic Sans
MS";color:#002060">L23397). Why the NY title
has a valid BJ7 VIN on it is not known, but was
probably a simple mistake (or it may have been a
mistake on the WI title). Because of this
discrepancy, the owner was required to obtain a surety
bond for 1-1/2 times the value of the car for a period
of three years. The NC DMV attached a new plate to
the firewall with their own number, NCS89924, and that
is the number that the car is now registered with.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Comic Sans
MS";color:#002060">There is a lesson to be
learned here. VINs are important. There are a LOT of
cars out there that have had identity plates recreated
or exchanged with other cars. As BJ8 Registrar for
almost 20 years now, I can tell you several other
stories of grief owners have had in trying to register
cars when the paperwork and VINs did not agree. Are
you sure that the plates on your car are original
factory-issue and belong to it? Is the VIN correct on
the title and other paperwork?</span><span
style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic
Sans MS";color:#002060">Steve Byers</span><span
style="color:#002060"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic
Sans MS";color:#002060">HBJ8L/36666</span><span
style="color:#002060"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic
Sans MS";color:#002060">BJ8 Registry</span><span
style="color:#002060"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic
Sans MS";color:#002060">AHCA Delegate at Large</span><span
style="color:#002060"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic
Sans MS";color:#002060">Havelock, NC </span><span
style="color:#002060"></span></p>
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