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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>I have been watching this thread with interest. While I have not had a Healey for several years now, about 10 years ago I had the dreaded scuttle shake at 55MPH and cured it by taking my drums to a local tire store that has been in business for years (not one of the chains that heavily advertise but hire kids with all thumbs and that have never heard of a wire wheel). Anyway, they had the proper milling machines and for about 20 bucks apiece, trued the drums and balanced them. Goodbye scuttle shake. Your task, should you accept it, is to find such a shop. Otherwise, this message will disappear in 30 seconds as do all good pieces of information in the world of Mission Impossible.<o:p></o:p></span></a></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>John Sims<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>Aberdeen, NJ<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>www.healey6.com<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David P<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 18, 2018 7:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> Harold Manifold; healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Fwd: Re: Drum Balancing<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p>..a simple bubble balance works well once the center of the drum is established.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 2/18/2018 11:32 AM, Harold Manifold wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>There is a lot of good discussion on this topic and although my Healey drums and wires wheels are in my basement and not on my car I can offer some suggestions that may help. For a rotating mass two types of balancing is required, static and dynamic. If the rotating mass was a thin disk it would be essentially a two dimensional object and you could add or subtract weight to the perimeter until the disk didn't move no matter how it was rotated. It would be statically balanced. Unfortunately the rotating tires, wheels, hubs, brakes and knock offs on our Healey's is a three dimensional system made up of various components each of which can be out of round and out of balance. All three dimensional systems must be balanced statically and dynamically to remove vibrations. Suggestion number one is if the shop doing the balancing doesn't know the difference find another shop. The perfect balancing machine would accept all of the rotating parts as one complete assembly and rotate about the same centre as the axle. Unfortunately, a machine like this is not usually available to Healey owners. The next option is to balance the parts separately. Check the wheel mounting surfaces on the hubs for run out on the car using a dial gauge and if they run true likely they are fine. The brake drums are castings and could be out of balance from the casting process or subsequent machining. The drums can be balanced by either removing weight or adding weight the same way tires are balanced. I prefer the adding weight method as it allows for some trail and error and the weight can be added close to where it is needed. Ideally the drums and hubs would be balanced as one unit. Balancing tires and wheels is a similar process. Step one is to check the wheels are straight and round if they are not balancing may not be possible. Literature I have suggests "wobble" should be less than 0.055". See attached. Assuming the balancing machine has the capability to do both a static and dynamic balance the tire and wheel must be rotated about the same centre as if it were on the car. With centre lock wire wheels an adapter is needed for most balancing machines. See the attached PDF for a description. Another point to review with the balancing shop. If they cannot mount the wheel on the balancing machine the same way it is mounted on the car find another shop. There is a link below to the Wikipedia page on balancing rotating masses and YouTube video of a brake drum and hub being balanced together.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balancing_of_rotating_masses">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balancing_of_rotating_masses</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy-CD3ppfJU">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy-CD3ppfJU</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Probably way too much information but it may save some from wasting money on the wrong method or irreversibly grinding away brake drums with a shop that doesn't fully understand the balancing process.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Good luck to all .... Harold</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Healeys [<a href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mirek Sharp<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 17, 2018 7:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Charlie Baldwin'; <a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Drum Balancing</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>Can someone clarify a few of the comments on drum balancing. A couple of people said they had them done by various specialists on a lathe by skimming the fins. This will make the outside of the drum round, which I imagine must help, but that is different from balancing, which I understand may involve subtracting and/or adding weight in strategic places, as one would in balancing a tyre. I don’t think balancing can be achieved simply by truing the outside of the drum, but I am glad to be corrected. So by drum balancing, are these wonderful accolades a result of drum truing or drum balancing? </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Healeys [<a href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Charlie Baldwin<br><b>Sent:</b> February-17-18 6:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Drum Balancing</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p>One major thing to keep in mind when having someone balance your wheels or shave your tires is how they are mounted on their machine. Wire wheels must be mounted on the machined surfaces not just with internal cones as a company that does not normally balance wire wheels would do. It won't do any good to shave the tires from the wrong center.<o:p></o:p></p><p>So a specialist who understands British wire wheels is essential to having the job done properly. Besides Hendrix there is K & T Vintage Sports Cars in Bethlehem, PA owned by Ken Beck, an Austin-Healey owner. Check their website at <a href="http://www.ktvintagecars.com/">http://www.ktvintagecars.com/</a> for a video of the tire shaving process. I have some new tires for my MG wire wheels that I will have them mount and balance, and shave if required. I know Ken, but never had any work done by him. Others have great things to say about the process and their work in general.<o:p></o:p></p><p>I had my drums balanced several years ago by the local NAPA machine shop who do my engine rebuild machining.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Charlie Baldwin<o:p></o:p></p><p>'62 BT7<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 2/16/2018 9:16 PM, HealeyRick wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Another satisfied customer of Hendrix Wire Wheels. Mounted and balanced my Dayton wheels, shaved the Michelin's and balanced the rear drums. Had it up to 104 mph on our speed run last summer (It's got a V8 but the rest of the suspension is stock Healey) and was smooth all the way up. Drives at 2,000 rpm at 70 mph with its five speed and it's just a joy. Time for new tires this year and they are going back to Hendrix for the treatment. Probably the most satisfying money you can spend on a Healey. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Rick Neville<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div id=DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellpadding=0 style='border:none;border-top:solid #D3D4DE 1.0pt'><tr><td width=55 style='width:41.25pt;border:none;padding:9.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon" target="_blank"><span style='border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=46 height=29 id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D3A998.D85A3530" alt="Image removed by sender."></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=470 style='width:352.5pt;border:none;padding:9.0pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#41424E'>Virus-free. <a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link" target="_blank"><span style='color:#4453EA'>www.avast.com</span></a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 3:36 PM, jim brown <<a href="mailto:jbrown5093@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jbrown5093@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>Ditto on both of my Bt7 and Bj8. Remarkable difference after Hendrix Wire Wheel in Greensboro NC got a hold of them. I think he can shave tires also. Great to work with also</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>Jim Brown</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div id="m_5828038328065697509ydpd6a043adyahoo_quoted_9493687997"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue ; COLOR: #26282a","serif"'>On Friday, February 16, 2018, 1:52:02 PM EST, Gary R. Brierton <<a href="mailto:gbrierton@hotmail.com" target="_blank">gbrierton@hotmail.com</a>> wrote: </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue ; COLOR: #26282a","serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue ; COLOR: #26282a","serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div id="m_5828038328065697509ydpd6a043adyiv0820818086"><div><div id="m_5828038328065697509ydpd6a043adyiv0820818086divtagdefaultwrapper"><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Allen Hendrix of HendrixWireWheel (in North Carolina) did my BJ8. Rear Drums and (I think) the drive shaft. I don't know exactly how it is done. I always just hand the keys to Allen!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Smoothest BJ8 I've ever driven, including 2 purchased new back in the '60's. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div id="m_5828038328065697509ydpd6a043adyiv0820818086yqt49122"><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></span></div><div id="m_5828038328065697509ydpd6a043adyiv0820818086divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on behalf of Michael MacLean <<a href="mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net" target="_blank">rrengineer.mike@att.net</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 16, 2018 6:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:llennep@verizon.net" target="_blank">llennep@verizon.net</a>; <a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Drum Balancing</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Where did you get them balanced and how was it done? </span><o:p></o:p></p><div id="m_5828038328065697509ydpd6a043adyiv0820818086x_yMail_cursorElementTracker_1518782107603"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p><div id="m_5828038328065697509ydpd6a043adyiv0820818086x_ymail_android_signature"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android" target="_blank">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#6D00F6'>On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:45 AM, Keith Pennell</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#6D00F6'><<a href="mailto:llennep@verizon.net" target="_blank">llennep@verizon.net</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div style='border:none;border-left:solid #6D00F6 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 15.0pt;margin-top:7.5pt'><div id="m_5828038328065697509ydpd6a043adyiv0820818086x_yiv1048098566"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Absolutely! Eliminated 50-70% of scuttle shake in daily driving. One of the best things I ever did to my cars. Have balanced several sets.<br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Michael MacLean <<a href="mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net" target="_blank">rrengineer.mike@att.net</a>><br>To: Healey List <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>Sent: Fri, Feb 16, 2018 1:22 am<br>Subject: [Healeys] Drum Balancing</span><o:p></o:p></p><div id="m_5828038328065697509ydpd6a043adyiv0820818086x_yiv1048098566yqt19312"><div id="m_5828038328065697509ydpd6a043adyiv0820818086x_yiv1048098566AOLMsgPart_1.2_b2066375-6e9b-4343-a902-584120e123d5"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I can understand balancing the front drums on my BN2 to help preclude scuttle shake, but I am converting to front disc brakes. Is it necessary to balance the rear drums? </span><o:p></o:p></p><div id="m_5828038328065697509ydpd6a043adyiv0820818086x_yiv1048098566aolmail_yMail_cursorElementTracker_1518759732126"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Mike MacLean</span><o:p></o:p></p><div id="m_5828038328065697509ydpd6a043adyiv0820818086x_yiv1048098566aolmail_ymail_android_signature"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android" target="_blank">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>_______________________________________________<br>Support Team.Net <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Suggested annual donation 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