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<p>..a simple bubble balance works well once the center of the
drum is established.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/18/2018 11:32 AM, Harold
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="877155216-18022018"><font
size="2" face="Arial" color="#0000ff">There is a lot of
good discussion on this topic and although my Healey drums
and wires wheels are in my basement and not on my car I
can offer some suggestions that may help. For a
rotating mass two types of balancing is required, static
and dynamic. If the rotating mass was a thin disk it would
be essentially a two dimensional object and you could add
or subtract weight to the perimeter until the disk didn't
move no matter how it was rotated. It would be statically
balanced. Unfortunately the rotating tires, wheels, hubs,
brakes and knock offs on our Healey's is a three
dimensional system made up of various components each of
which can be out of round and out of balance. All three
dimensional systems must be balanced statically and
dynamically to remove vibrations. Suggestion number one is
if the shop doing the balancing doesn't know the
difference find another shop. The perfect balancing
machine would accept all of the rotating parts as one
complete assembly and rotate about the same centre as the
axle. Unfortunately, a machine like this is not usually
available to Healey owners. The next option is to balance
the parts separately. Check the wheel mounting surfaces
on the hubs for run out on the car using a dial gauge and
if they run true likely they are fine. The brake drums are
castings and could be out of balance from the casting
process or subsequent machining. The drums can be balanced
by either removing weight or adding weight the same way
tires are balanced. I prefer the adding weight method as
it allows for some trail and error and the weight can be
added close to where it is needed. Ideally the drums and
hubs would be balanced as one unit. Balancing tires and
wheels is a similar process. Step one is to check the
wheels are straight and round if they are not balancing
may not be possible. Literature I have suggests "wobble"
should be less than 0.055". See attached. Assuming the
balancing machine has the capability to do both a static
and dynamic balance the tire and wheel must be
rotated about the same centre as if it were on the car.
With centre lock wire wheels an adapter is needed for most
balancing machines. See the attached PDF for a
description. Another point to review with the balancing
shop. If they cannot mount the wheel on the balancing
machine the same way it is mounted on the car find another
shop. There is a link below to the Wikipedia page on
balancing rotating masses and YouTube video of a brake
drum and hub being balanced together.</font></span></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span
class="877155216-18022018">Probably way too much
information but it may save some from wasting money on the
wrong method or irreversibly grinding away brake drums
with a shop that doesn't fully understand the balancing
process.</span></font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span
class="877155216-18022018">Good luck to all .... Harold</span></font></div>
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<hr tabindex="-1"> <font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b>
Healeys [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mirek Sharp<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 17, 2018 7:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Charlie Baldwin'; <a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Drum Balancing<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt;
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comments on drum balancing. A couple of people said they
had them done by various specialists on a lathe by
skimming the fins. This will make the outside of the drum
round, which I imagine must help, but that is different
from balancing, which I understand may involve subtracting
and/or adding weight in strategic places, as one would in
balancing a tyre. I don’t think balancing can be achieved
simply by truing the outside of the drum, but I am glad to
be corrected. So by drum balancing, are these wonderful
accolades a result of drum truing or drum balancing? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Charlie Baldwin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> February-17-18 6:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Drum Balancing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>One major thing to keep in mind when having someone balance
your wheels or shave your tires is how they are mounted on
their machine. Wire wheels must be mounted on the machined
surfaces not just with internal cones as a company that does
not normally balance wire wheels would do. It won't do any
good to shave the tires from the wrong center.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>So a specialist who understands British wire wheels is
essential to having the job done properly. Besides Hendrix
there is K & T Vintage Sports Cars in Bethlehem, PA
owned by Ken Beck, an Austin-Healey owner. Check their
website at <a href="http://www.ktvintagecars.com/"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.ktvintagecars.com/</a>
for a video of the tire shaving process. I have some new
tires for my MG wire wheels that I will have them mount and
balance, and shave if required. I know Ken, but never had
any work done by him. Others have great things to say about
the process and their work in general.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I had my drums balanced several years ago by the local NAPA
machine shop who do my engine rebuild machining.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Charlie Baldwin<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>'62 BT7<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2/16/2018 9:16 PM, HealeyRick wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Wire Wheels. Mounted and balanced my Dayton wheels,
shaved the Michelin's and balanced the rear drums. Had
it up to 104 mph on our speed run last summer (It's got
a V8 but the rest of the suspension is stock Healey) and
was smooth all the way up. Drives at 2,000 rpm at 70
mph with its five speed and it's just a joy. Time for
new tires this year and they are going back to Hendrix
for the treatment. Probably the most satisfying money
you can spend on a Healey. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 3:36 PM,
jim brown <<a href="mailto:jbrown5093@yahoo.com"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
FONT-FAMILY: "Helvetica Neue"">Ditto
on both of my Bt7 and Bj8. Remarkable
difference after Hendrix Wire Wheel in
Greensboro NC got a hold of them. I think he
can shave tires also. Great to work with also<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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February 16, 2018, 1:52:02 PM EST, Gary R.
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<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:
"Calibri","sans-serif"">Allen
Hendrix of HendrixWireWheel (in
North Carolina) did my BJ8. Rear
Drums and (I think) the drive
shaft. I don't know exactly how it
is done. I always just hand the
keys to Allen!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:
"Calibri","sans-serif"">Smoothest
BJ8 I've ever driven, including 2
purchased new back in the '60's. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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on behalf of Michael MacLean
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February
16, 2018 6:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys]
Drum Balancing</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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did you get them balanced and
how was it done? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at
12:45 AM, Keith
Pennell<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Eliminated 50-70%
of scuttle shake in
daily driving. One
of the best things I
ever did to my
cars. Have balanced
several sets.<br>
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To: Healey List
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Sent: Fri, Feb 16,
2018 1:22 am<br>
Subject: [Healeys]
Drum Balancing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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can understand
balancing the
front drums on
my BN2 to help
preclude
scuttle shake,
but I am
converting to
front disc
brakes. Is it
necessary to
balance the
rear drums? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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