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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;-webkit-line-break: after-white-space'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>Vehicle inspectors today were mostly not born when the last Austin-Healey rolled off the line and close to 100% of the cars they deal with are modern ones built since 1980 with a 17-digit VIN that has a code for everything. They are not familiar with the fact that later Austin-Healey VINs cannot be verified by or related to an engine number and vice versa but they are following the law as written by others who also aren't familiar with Healeys. They also are not aware that many Healeys have already had their VIN plates re-created using a new blank (in many states, including North Carolina, it is a felony to replace a VIN plate and only an official representative of the manufacturer can do so. Kinda hard to find a BMC representative today to correct a mistake made years ago). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>As someone who has sought to identify and track ownership of BJ8s for 20 years, I can tell you that there are an incredible number of cars running around with messed-up identification numbers and many owners are not even aware of it. It seems to be (or have been) very easy to register a car with these incorrect numbers, but like pulling teeth to get them corrected today. I've seen a ton of cars registered with the engine serial number, which in one or two cases is not the original engine for the car it claims to be. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>Every U.S. state has its own vehicle laws and regulations, so experience in one state is no help to resolve problems in another state.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>Steve Byers</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>HBJ8L/36666</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>BJ8 Registry</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>AHCA Delegate at Large</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>Havelock, NC </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Nock<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 28, 2017 1:14 PM<br><b>To:</b> Roland Wilhelmy<br><b>Cc:</b> Healey List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] DMV No Go<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>In order for the DMV or a Officer to do a VIN verification it has to be a complete car, not a shell with no drive train. I have had to do several VIN verifications and always have to wait until the car is road worthy.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Oct 28, 2017, at 7:50 AM, Roland Wilhelmy <<a href="mailto:sentenac.rw@gmail.com">sentenac.rw@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I had the local sheriff verify the identity of my BN1. DMV has the forms for them to sign. I didn't have another locally licensed Healey and owner nearby to verify what the correct ID was but it couldn't hurt. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-Roland<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>San Diego<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;background:white;orphans: auto;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;border-spacing: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><tr><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;font-size:initial;text-align:initial'><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Michael MacLean<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Friday, October 27, 2017 11:55 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Healey List<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Reply To:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net">rrengineer.mike@att.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>[Healeys] DMV No Go<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div id="_originalContent"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Took my BN2 body shell to the California DMV today to establish ownership. If you remember from past posts I got the body shell and suspension alone with no numbers on the car whatsoever. Well, there is a chassis ID plate on the firewall now. I was naive enough to think that was all I needed to start ownership paperwork, so I took the body on a flatbed trailer to the DMV today for a VIN number verification to start the paperwork. After renting a tilt flat bed trailer and wasting most of the afternoon at the Redlands DMV office it was no dice. I was told it had to have an engine in it to verify the VIN number. The car does not even have the suspension in it yet and the engine bay is bare. It needs a lot more prep before I can put the engine in. So back to square one. I wanted to do a transfer while it was just a shell to pay less extorsion money the the state because a body shell is worth a whole lot less than a finished car. Apparently they want more money than I want to pay.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_1509153307043"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Mike MacLean<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="ymail_android_signature"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";background:white'>_______________________________________________</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><br><span style='background:white'>Support <a href="http://Team.Net">Team.Net</a> <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a></span><br><span style='background:white'>Suggested annual donation $12.75</span><br><span style='background:white'>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive">http://www.team.net/archive</a></span><br><span style='background:white'>Forums: <a href="http://www.team.net/forums">http://www.team.net/forums</a></span><br><br><span style='background:white'><a href="mailto:Healeys@autox.team.net">Healeys@autox.team.net</a></span><br><span style='background:white'><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys</a></span><br><br><span style='background:white'>Unsubscribe/Manage:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></span><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeydoc@sbcglobal.net"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";background:white'>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeydoc@sbcglobal.net</span></a><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><br style='font-variant-caps: normal;text-align:start;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id=DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellpadding=0 style='border:none;border-top:solid #D3D4DE 1.0pt'><tr><td width=55 style='width:41.25pt;border:none;padding:9.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient" target="_blank"><span style='border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=46 height=29 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image002.jpg@01D35025.C08DB200" alt="Image removed by sender."></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=470 style='width:352.5pt;border:none;padding:9.0pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#41424E'>Virus-free. <a href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient" target="_blank"><span style='color:#4453EA'>www.avg.com</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>