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<DIV>Bruce: what Roland is saying is correct – a maladjusted throttle
switch can cause problems.</DIV>
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<DIV>Here is what I would do, having just gone through this whole thing
yesterday on a buddies BN6: after doing whatever repair is necessary to the
harness, (and double checking the connections at the relay), disconnect either
one of the throttle switch leads at the switch (tape the loose lead just
because) and run the test again. If the solenoid goes in and out with the
dash switch on and the gear lever being moved in and out of the 3 –4 position,
then the relay is good and the throttle switch is not set right. (incidetally,
the car can be driven this way, the overdrive will simply switch out as soon as
the dash switch is turned off,)</DIV>
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<DIV>If the solenoid does not activate at all, the relay is bad and the power is
going to the solenoid through the throttle switch.</DIV>
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<DIV>Setting the throttle switch correctly is pretty tricky on a Healey –
requires a lot of beer and bad language.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; COLOR: #141100">Earl
Kagna<BR>Victoria, B.C.<BR>BJ8, BT7 tri-carb</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=sentenac.rw@gmail.com
href="mailto:sentenac.rw@gmail.com">Roland Wilhelmy</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 03, 2017 1:40 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=sbyers@ec.rr.com
href="mailto:sbyers@ec.rr.com">BJ8Healeys</A> ; <A title=healeys@autox.team.net
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] Overdrive wiring question</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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that the throttle switch is a simple set of spst contacts. But it is really easy
to tighten the mechanical arm on that switch in a position so that pressing the
throttle does the opposite of what you want. </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; WIDTH: 100%; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255)">Worth
checking that the switch opens when you want it open and closed when you want it
closed. </DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent: </B>Sunday, September 3, 2017 1:25 PM</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"; COLOR: #002060'>Bob, the throttle switch is
a simple set of contacts closed by a cam. It doesn't matter which way the
two wires are connected to it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"; COLOR: #002060'>However, it would be a good
idea to verify that the wires are connected properly to the relay, especially
since a new wiring harness has just been installed.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"; COLOR: #002060'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"; COLOR: #002060'>Steve Byers</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: #002060"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"; COLOR: #002060'>HBJ8L/36666</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: #002060"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"; COLOR: #002060'>BJ8 Registry</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: #002060"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"; COLOR: #002060'>AHCA Delegate at
Large</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #002060"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"; COLOR: #002060'>Havelock, NC
</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #002060"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: #002060"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P></DIV>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: windowtext'>
Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Bob
Spidell<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 03, 2017 1:48 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
healeys@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] Overdrive wiring
question<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P>I'm too lazy to drag out the schematic, but Steve's comment begs the
question--to me, at least--is the throttle 'kickdown' switch wired
bass-ackwards?<o:p></o:p></P>
<P>Also, since most of us are 'of a generation,' tip a bottle of your favorite
brew to Walter Becker today. <o:p></o:p></P>
<P>Bob<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On 9/3/2017 8:35 AM, BJ8Healeys wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS ;color:#002060","serif"'>If a set of the
relay points were somehow in mechanical contact regardless of the energizing
or not of the relay coil, then you would get 12 volts at relay terminal C2
without the dash switch being on, and the symptoms you describe. It's
not quite clear to me, however, why the throttle switch stops the symptoms
with the throttle switch open.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS ;color:#002060","serif"'>Remove the white
wires from relay terminal C1 and the white/green ones from terminal C2 and
check for continuity between those terminals. If you have continuity,
then the relay is bad.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS ;color:#002060","serif"'> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS ;color:#002060","serif"'>Steve
Byers</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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Registry</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS ;color:#002060","serif"'>AHCA Delegate at
Large</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS ;color:#002060","serif"'>Havelock, NC
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Healeys [<A
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Bruce Steele<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 03, 2017
10:39 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Healey List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys]
Overdrive wiring question</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Trebuchet MS , sans-serif","serif"'>A
couple of other factors:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph style="TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Trebuchet MS , sans-serif","serif"'>1.</SPAN><SPAN
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</SPAN><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Trebuchet MS , sans-serif","serif"'>The
dash switch is not defective; it tests fine.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph style="TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Trebuchet MS , sans-serif","serif"'>2.</SPAN><SPAN
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</SPAN><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Trebuchet MS , sans-serif","serif"'>Removing
the ground from the OD relay (terminal W2) had no effect; i.e., the solenoid
still engaged when the lever was moved to the 3<SUP>rd</SUP>/4<SUP>th</SUP>
position, indicating to me that the relay was not engaged and thus holding the
relay points closed.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Trebuchet MS , sans-serif","serif"'> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Bruce
Steele</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Brea,
CA</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">1960
BN7</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B>From:</B> Bruce Steele [<A
href="mailto:healeybruce@roadrunner.com">mailto:healeybruce@roadrunner.com</A>]
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, September 02, 2017 9:50 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Healey
List' <A
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net">mailto:healeys@autox.team.net</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
Overdrive wiring question<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Trebuchet MS , sans-serif","serif"'>After
installing the new wiring harness, I encountered a puzzling situation.
With the engine off and the ignition on, the OD solenoid would engage when the
shift lever engaged the transmission switch irrespective of the position of
the dash switch. That is, the solenoid would engage whether the dash
switch was on or off. Further, if I depressed the accelerator, thus
opening the throttle position switch, the solenoid would NOT engage under the
same conditions. Hence, it seems that either the OD relay was engaged by
the W1 terminal being energized or somehow the C2 terminal was
energized. Unfortunately I caused a short in the throttle switch
damaging my harness before I could trace this. Any
thoughts?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Trebuchet MS , sans-serif","serif"'> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Bruce
Steele</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Brea,
CA</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">1960
BN7</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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