<div dir="ltr">Don't know if this will come through, but I've attached an article I did for <i>Healey Marque </i>on bugeye construction. Over 2200 individual spot welds just in the "chassis" Don't know if the big Healey front shroud could be made in a single pressing and as the article on Larry's site points out, presses were expensive and needed to be ordered in bulk to be amortized. I've done another article on the replacement for the 3000. While doing the research, I learned that DMH was thinking about a fiberglass front end or even low-cost dies made from Kirksite for the aluminum panels. These would have been attached to the front of the MGC rear to make it more distinctive as a Healey than the ADO-51 badge-engineered MG/Healey that had been proposed.<div><br></div><div>Happy Healeying,</div><div>Rick Neville</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 4:54 PM, i erbs <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eyera3000@gmail.com" target="_blank">eyera3000@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">It amazes me that it was cheaper to pay workers to weld together all those small pieces rather than invest in a bigger stamping press to make it out of a large or larger pieces.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-5119359605737880932gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Ira Erbs<div>Portland,OR</div><div><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> _______ _______</span><br style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)</span><br style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> (_________________________)</span></div><div> BT7 engine and disk brakes</div><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti</span><br></div><div>Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:21 AM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:YNOTINK@msn.com" target="_blank">YNOTINK@msn.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hmmm! You're right. Red face here...</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:01:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> richard mayor<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Here's the definitive answer on how shrouds were welded with some great photos, thanks to Larry Varley's site: <a href="http://www.acmefluid.com.au/larry/jensenweld.html" target="_blank">http://www.acmefluid.com.au/l<wbr>arry/jensenweld.html</a> Argon arc welding
using a tungsten electrode ... or as it's known now: TIG
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<div>Happy Healeying,</div>
<div>Rick Neville</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 8:50 PM, richard mayor <span dir="ltr">
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<div dir="ltr">All the various panels that make up the shroud were TIG welded by Jensen.<br>
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<p>A gap that big should have a new piece of Aluminum gas welded back in (if you can find the right guy) then the metal can be hammered back in to shape. TIG weld usually are too hard and crack when worked and tend to get bondo over the tops of them. I have
never seen any "factory applied" filler in any of the cars I have worked on. I don't believe the BMC factory ever used it.</p>
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on behalf of Keith Pennell <<a href="mailto:llennep@verizon.net" target="_blank">llennep@verizon.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8, 2017 8:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:john@jtkarowe.com.au" target="_blank">john@jtkarowe.com.au</a>;
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<div>I agree with John. And don't use fiberglass!!</div>
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From: John Rowe <<a href="mailto:john@jtkarowe.com.au" target="_blank">john@jtkarowe.com.au</a>><br>
To: 'Mike Tobin' <<a href="mailto:ahbt71@gmail.com" target="_blank">ahbt71@gmail.com</a>>; healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Shroud Repair.<br>
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<div class="m_-5119359605737880932m_8285849855228674350m_241650160613231068m_7879791060110467955aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Mike, not a job for novices or the faint hearted. You can end up with a big blob of alloy on the floor no
matter what welding technique you try. TIG with an alternating current is the only way to go.</span></div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Tobin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 8 July 2017 8:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Shroud Repair.</span></div>
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<div class="m_-5119359605737880932m_8285849855228674350m_241650160613231068m_7879791060110467955aolmail_MsoNormal">I've got a couple-inch gap on the rear shroud at the flange bend. What's the best way to deal with it? I'd rather do it myself - just because that's how I'm approaching the restoration.</div>
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<div class="m_-5119359605737880932m_8285849855228674350m_241650160613231068m_7879791060110467955aolmail_MsoNormal">I've got MIG welder and I closed a couple small tears in the front shroud with it. I also fill a small hole by using a copper spoon behind the hole. When I was done grinding ithe fixes
came out OK. I'm hesitating to use the spoon on a hole this size. The metal is also pretty thin there from corrosian. I could use fiberglass, I suppose, , but I'd rather not.</div>
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the reverse sides of the shrouds showed no sign of trauma - the filler was used not to fill but to shape the contour..</div>
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