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<DIV>Tks to all for good input.</DIV>
<DIV>Wondering if anyone has thoughts why factory never installed a gasket at
this flange joint ?</DIV>
<DIV>Any negatives about retro-fitting one after 50 years ?</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=michaelsalter@gmail.com>Michael Salter</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 6, 2016 9:38 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=healeys@autox.team.net>Healey List</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_default
style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif">Out of interest
I just did the calculations for the change in length of the studs in this
case.<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_default
style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif">Assuming:<BR></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif">4 x 5/16" dia
studs with an effective diameter of 0.25" each (thread root) and a length of 3"
(in actual fact only the bottom pair are that long).<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_default
style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif">0.8 G of braking
(which is probably way higher than our tires can generate) <BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_default
style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif">Young's Modulus
of 30,000,000 @ 100 degrees F<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_default
style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif">700 lbs of
engine and gearbox (which is probably very high considering that the the mounts
are all rubber and the main engine mounts would absorb a fair bit as
well)<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_default
style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif">Works out to
about 0.00028" of stretch. <BR>That's less than 10% of a human hair and only
during panic braking if the tie rod is the only thing resisting the
load.<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_default
style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif">I think that
there must be other contributing factors...<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Bluehealey <SPAN
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can agree that a good goo between the mating faces is important and the
Japanese Motorcycle manufacturers will probably have the solution
nailed. The root cause however isn’t necessarily pressure, flange
flatness, or goo failure.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>It
is more likely that the rear reaction strut (not sure what else to call it)
causes the joint to flex a little and open every time the car slows under
braking. My theory and the solution I adopted can be found
here:<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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leaks from my gearbox.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Roger Grace<BR><B>Sent:</B> 05 November 2016
21:02<BR><B>To:</B> David Porter; Healey List</SPAN></P>
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<DIV class=h5><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] Overdrive
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"'>Sorry to reopen
this, but have this same leak in my BJ8 OD and fixing it is one of my Winter
projects.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"'>Given that the
black sealant stuff that was used before didn’t last (have no idea how long
ago or what it is) and that there is no oil pressure on the joint, am
sensitive to using what is the appropriate goo that will last and contain the
oil.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"'>Have done some
checking around and the Hylomar universal blue is used by some shops that fix
OD’s.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"'>Overdrive
Services (ex Laycock people in UK) tell me that the originals were sealed with
a product called Wellseal.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"'>Nowadays they
use a Wurth sealant that mentions flange mating in its website
blurb.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"'>BTW they said
that they could supply me with a gasket for this joint that seems like a good
idea ?<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"'>The reality is
that these are 2 Al flanges that are mated without a gasket. I wonder why ?.
Plan to do some careful flatness checking when have my hands on them.
Has anyone had a problem with the mating flatness ? do they have a
tendency to warp over the years and maybe abuse too ? given the shape not easy
to machine flat - why do they leak ?<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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please.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> David Porter
<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Wednesday,
October 26, 2016 7:15 AM<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Bob Spidell ;
John Spaur <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Re: [Healeys]
Overdrive Question<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P><SPAN style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>seems like any RTV that
is oil compliant will work. There is no internal pressure that will force oil
out. The oil level in the OD is just above the operating shaft level, hence
the need for the o-rings on the shaft.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>DaveP adding to the
wisdom....<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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10/26/2016 7:40 AM, Bob Spidell wrote:<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-FAMILY: "Arial","sans-serif"'>Soooooooo
... both types of Hylomar WILL seal the
joint?<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Helvetica","sans-serif"'>From: </SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Helvetica","sans-serif"'>"John Spaur" <A
target=_blank>mailto:jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net</A><BR><B>To: </B>"WILLIAM B
LAWRENCE" <A target=_blank>mailto:YNOTINK@msn.com</A>, "healeys" <A
target=_blank>mailto:healeys@autox.team.net</A><BR><B>Sent: </B>Tuesday,
October 25, 2016 8:27:53 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [Healeys] Overdrive
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style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>In
my experiences neither of the two types Hylomar will not seal that
joint.</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'> Healeys [<A
target=_blank>mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.<WBR>team.net</A>] <B>On Behalf
Of </B>WILLIAM B LAWRENCE<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:26
PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>disassembly of the OD because it
is seeping oil at the clutch ring. There are no gaskets, but I would like to
smear some Hylomar on the joint faces to stop the leak.
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<P align=left color="#000000" avgcert??>No virus found in this
message.<BR>Checked by AVG - <A
href="http://www.avg.com">www.avg.com</A><BR>Version: 2015.0.6201 / Virus
Database: 4664/13359 - Release Date:
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