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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Meant to be:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The trick is to close the bleeder 100% before the downward stroke IS FINISHED ie, most important, while fluid is still coming out.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Simon Lachlan<br><b>Sent:</b> 03 July 2016 09:18<br><b>To:</b> 'Healey List'; 'Roger Grace'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] BJ8 Brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bleeding brakes can drive you crazy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>See the attached, from my BMC manual. It addresses the question rather neatly, suggesting that air may be drawn in at the end of the downward push; for example, the threads on the bleeders may be slightly worn.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The trick is to close the bleeder 100% before the downward stroke ie, most important, while fluid is still coming out.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>A device such as A Gunson’s Eezibleed will mange that OK.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The pdf’s first line may seem a little strange......it’s a note addressed to myself. The relevant paragraph is not in my pdf version of the manual for some reason so I added it as a reminder.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Good luck,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Healeys [<a href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>WILLIAM B LAWRENCE<br><b>Sent:</b> 03 July 2016 04:01<br><b>To:</b> Healey List; Roger Grace<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] BJ8 Brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div id=divtagdefaultwrapper><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>You still have air in the system. Keep bleeding. The reason the bakes pump up in 2 to 3 strokes is that at that point you have compressed the air enough to transmit force to the fluid.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Bill Lawrence<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></span></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on behalf of Roger Grace <<a href="mailto:roggrace@telus.net">roggrace@telus.net</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 2, 2016 6:48 PM<br><b>To:</b> Healey List<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] BJ8 Brakes</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;line-height:13.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>At my wits end with this problem ...</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;line-height:13.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The brakes on my BJ8 have always been hard and bit well with little pedal movement.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;line-height:13.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Changed out the front callipers (to 4 pot) and the problems started.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;line-height:13.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>After repeated bleeding on first push, pedal went to the floor.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;line-height:13.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>After 2/3 pumps the pedal came right up and held. After about 30 secs of no pressure on pedal goes to the floor again.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;line-height:13.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Pistons are all in contact with pads and pads with disc; all looks good at callipers.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;line-height:13.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Suspecting a faulty MC changed it out.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;line-height:13.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Primed the new MC with fluid prior to installing.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;line-height:13.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Same story after another 1.5 pints of DOT 4 fluid focusing mainly on bleeding front callipers and booster (new); also bled rear drums.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;line-height:13.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Pedal still goes to the floor on first pump and comes up after pumping as before.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;line-height:13.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>No visible leaks and inlet from reservoir shows no leaks: tapped callipers with mallet to dislodge any air pockets.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;line-height:13.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I am using the one man bleed system a with clear tube into a container and close the bleeder valve with no visible air at nipple and full tube of fluid to container. BTW also changed clutch MC at same time and no problems with bleeding etc.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;line-height:13.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Have now run about 1.5 pints of fluid through the new MC - perhaps am being too impatient ? </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;line-height:13.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>But no evidence of any air after about 0.5 pint. Typically how much fluid is required to clear air from MC and lines ?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;line-height:13.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Now sort or suspecting the inlet to MC from reservoir but for life of me cannot see how air can get in with no visible fluid leaks,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;line-height:13.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Any ideas from the more AH experienced listers appreciated.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;line-height:13.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>rg</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>