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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif"'>See:<o:p></o:p></span></a></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.healey6.com/Technical/hub.pdf"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'>http://www.healey6.com/Technical/hub.pdf</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:black'>and<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.mgaguru.com/mgtech/wheels/wl102.htm"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'>http://www.mgaguru.com/mgtech/wheels/wl102.htm</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif"'>John Sims<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif"'>Aberdeen, NJ<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif"'>www.healey6.com<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Salter<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 06, 2015 3:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> Roger Grace<br><b>Cc:</b> Healey List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Splines and Wheels<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Hi Roger,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>If you read the original Rudge-Whitworth patent on the spline drive wheels you will note that there was a need for clearance in the splines to allow the self tightening function to work. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>I suspect that the play that you are noticing is actually part of the design.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Michael S<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>BN1 3174<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Roger Grace <<a href="mailto:roggrace@telus.net" target="_blank">roggrace@telus.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Resolution. Sort of ... mmmm<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Now installed 2 new spinners.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Note that the new ones were 0.75 mm deeper than the old ones.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>So now have new wheels, hub splines and spinners.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Yes, there is some improvement but have to still slog harder than I think that I should have to.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Have decided to live with it and keep an eye on early wear on the splines. To my mind the only other thing is the machining tolerance of the hub splines from the different suppliers. Reluctant to make a costly science project out of it at this stage. Do not think that it is the wheel splines as MWS say they manufacture them in 1000 piece batches.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>However one thing that still baffles me is the fitment of the wheels/splines.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>I cant help thinking of typical drive shaft type spline joints; there is no free play and little wear.<br>So question is how does tightening the spinner reduce the play between the splines ??<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Or does it ? Is there always some free play in the splines and this is what causes the wear ?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>My thinking is that the 60 deg. taper on hub and wheel play a larger part in torque transmission than we think. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Any ideas ??<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>rg<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com" target="_blank" title="michaelsalter@gmail.com">Michael Salter</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Monday, November 2, 2015 10:41 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:roggrace@telus.net" target="_blank" title="roggrace@telus.net">Roger Grace</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Cc:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank" title="healeys@autox.team.net">Healey List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Re: [Healeys] Splines and Wheels<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Hi Roger,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>I have encountered that problem myself with new wheels and splines. so you are not alone. What was most confusing was that after tightening fully and removing the KO nut the wheel pulled off the spline easily so my theory about slight interference on the spline did not hold water. <br>Never really found a cause and it went away after the wheels were run on the road for a while after which the KO nut would spin on by hand and require about 1/2 a turn of tightening <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Please let me know if you figure out the cause..<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>BTW good video about making wire wheels here.<br><a href="http://cara.co.id/2015/06/how-to-make-wire-wheels/" target="_blank">http://cara.co.id/2015/06/how-to-make-wire-wheels/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Michael S<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>BN1 #174 <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Roger Grace <<a href="mailto:roggrace@telus.net" target="_blank">roggrace@telus.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>I have just installed new MWS 5.5in 72 spoke wheels and new Moss (USA made) splined hubs on the rear of my BJ8. Also fitted new turret lug nuts.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>I am not happy with the fitment as have to hammer the hell out of the spinner to take up the peripheral play in the wheels.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>What gives ? Spoken to both MWS and Moss and they are at a loss.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>I can confirm that the hub mounting studs are not touching the inside of the wheel and that the spinners are not bottoming.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Switched front to back spinners and no change.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Spinner thread ID seems to be within spec. at 2.194 in<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Now thinking about new spinners .. ?? Are there perhaps spinners with a different taper .. ?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Anyone had similar issues ??<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>As an aside, trying to get my head around all this, appears to me that torque is also (as well as splines) transmitted by the taper fit between the wheel inside and hub, as otherwise the wheel would not tighten when the spinner is tightened .. ??<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Support Team.Net <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Suggested annual donation $12.75<br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br>Forums: <a href="http://www.team.net/forums" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br><br><a href="mailto:Healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank">Healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys</a><br><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter@gmail.com</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br clear=all><br>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.</span></i><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>No virus found in this message.<br>Checked by AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com" target="_blank">www.avg.com</a><br>Version: 2015.0.6173 / Virus Database: 4455/10935 - Release Date: 11/02/15<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><br>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>