<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>A little clarification...</div><div><br></div><div>What some are calling an "O-Ring" is not an O-ring at all (even though Moss calls it one) It's a squarish profiled seal between the bearing and the axle area toward the Diff. The paper gasket keeps the bearing grease from oozing out into the brake area. Don't ask me why I know this is important.</div><div><br></div><div>The so-called o-ring seals the inboard side, the paper gasket seals the outboard side.</div><div><br></div><div>Wilko.</div><br><div><div>On Jan 26, 2015, at 3:32 PM, David Porter wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div>On Jan 26, 2015, at 3:19 PM, John Rowe wrote:</div>
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that would BMC engineering in those days be so
sophisticated that they would be worried about .004”
to .010”. Judging from what I have seen over the
years, I doubt it. IIRC, I used a grey silicone as a
sealer- works ok for me.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; " lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,
sans-serif; " lang="EN-US"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Healeys
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Michael
Salter<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
27 January 2015 7:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Steve
B. Gerow<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[Healeys] Rear axle gasket question<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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MS'; ">Well you may be over thinking it but you
are at least keeping us amused :-)<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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serif; "><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans
MS'; ">BTW the BN1, BN2 and 100S didn't have the
"O" ring seal so I think in their cases the
gasket was the seal..<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif; ">On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Steve B.
Gerow <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:steveg@abrazosdata.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline; ">steveg@abrazosdata.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></div>
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font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif; ">The whole idea of the gasket-as-shim has
a certain logic to it - except the o-ring does the
actual sealing, correct?<br>
<br>
Is this the idea: when we tighten the lug nuts, we
compress the gasket from, say .014" to .010". At
.010, the axle center makes contact with the
spacer ring and bearing, coming to a stop. There
is then .010" between the carrier and axle flange.
The gasket takes up the slack - is the compressed
gasket strong enough to in effect be a shim
between these two parts?<br>
<br>
Michael - maybe when extra-tightening of the lug
nuts, the axle flange is also bending slightly to
take up this gap.<br>
<br>
Betcha I'm over-thinking this! :-)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Steve Gerow<br>
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> -------Original Message-------<br>
> From: Michael Salter <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>><br>
> To: Steve B. Gerow <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:steveg@abrazosdata.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">steveg@abrazosdata.com</a>><br>
> Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:warthodson@aol.com" style="color:
blue; text-decoration: underline; ">warthodson@aol.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:warthodson@aol.com" style="color:
blue; text-decoration: underline; ">warthodson@aol.com</a>>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
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">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Rear axle gasket
question<br>
> Sent: Jan 26 '15 11:28<br>
><br>
> One other observation on this subject.<br>
><br>
><br>
> This is, I believe, the only place on a
Healey where 'conical" seat nuts<br>
> are used.<br>
> It has been my experience that conical seat
nuts always require re-torquing<br>
> after a little use. Just like the lug nuts
on your every day driver if<br>
> you torque them up, then drive the car for a
bit you will find that the<br>
> nuts will take up to half a turn just to
restore them to the original<br>
> torque.<br>
><br>
><br>
> That said however I do have to agree with
Chris regarding aggressive use.<br>
> On AHX12 we found it necessary to re-torque
those nuts after every day of<br>
> competition and they would always go on an
additional flat or so.. I always<br>
> wondered where that extra tightening room
came from because after a week of<br>
> Targa Newfoundland we would have tightened
the nuts at least one full turn<br>
> ... that's 0.055".<br>
><br>
><br>
> I "forgot" to mention to co-driver Michael O
that a likely cause was<br>
> stretching of the studs..:-).<br>
><br>
><br>
> Michael S<br>
> [LINK:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.acmefluid.com.au/larry/ahx12.html" target="_blank" style="color: blue;
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> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.acmefluid.com.au/larry/ahx12.html" target="_blank" style="color: blue;
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><br>
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Steve B.
Gerow <[LINK:<br>
> mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:steveg@abrazosdata.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">steveg@abrazosdata.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:steveg@abrazosdata.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">steveg@abrazosdata.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Some observations:<br>
> New Moss gasket - .014"<br>
> Old gasket originally coated with Hylomar,
as removed from axle - .010"<br>
><br>
> .004" = copier paper<br>
><br>
> My axle is buttoned up with a new gasket and
the rear rotor/caliper back<br>
> in place or I'd try to do a science project
here.<br>
><br>
> For a gasket thickness, perhaps if one were
to bolt the assembly together<br>
> without gasket and measure the gap with
shims, then add .003" to that.<br>
><br>
> The new bearing, assembled with heat and
cold per Tom Monaco's<br>
> instructions, is a tight fit in the carrier
and axle - IIRC the bearing<br>
> depends on this more than the compression of
the spacer, gasket, etc.<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Steve Gerow<br>
> Altadena, CA<br>
> BN6<br>
><br>
><br>
> > -------Original Message-------<br>
> > From: [LINK: mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:warthodson@aol.com" style="color:
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> > To: [LINK: mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk</a>]<br>
> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
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> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:steveg@abrazosdata.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">steveg@abrazosdata.com</a>, [LINK: mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
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> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Rear axle
gasket question<br>
> > Sent: Jan 26 '15 08:41<br>
> ><br>
> > I have not tried it but I doubt it. On
the three axles I have actual<br>
> > experience with the gasket needed to
be Approx. 0.004" thick so that<br>
> the<br>
> > spacer met the specified tolerances in
the workshop manual. The<br>
> gaskets I<br>
> > purchased were all approx. 0.010"
thick. That would be a lot of<br>
> squish. You<br>
> > would have to squish it without the
bearing spacer in place. Then<br>
> remove<br>
> > the axle & measure how much the
spacer stood proud of the gasket. Then<br>
> > reassemble everything, if it met spec.
It seemed easier to just make a<br>
> > gasket of the proper thickness.<br>
> ><br>
> > Gary Hodson<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > From: Simon Lachlan <[LINK: mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk</a>]<br>
> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk</a>><br>
> > Subject: RE: [Healeys] Rear axle
gasket question<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > If you soaked the too big gaskets in,
say, WD40, wouldn’t they<br>
> compress<br>
> > down to a proper size as you tightened
up?<br>
> ><br>
> > Just a thought..............<br>
> ><br>
> > Simon<br>
>
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