[Healeys] gas/alcohol

[Bob Spidell]

There's methanol (wood), ethanol (booze) and isopropyl (rubbing). All 
are alcohols; methanol and ethanol are suitable ICE fuels.

It's a large group of chemicals:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_(chemistry)


On 9/2/2024 10:56 AM, Mirek Sharp wrote:
> Guys, first, its ethanol that is being added, not alcohol.  I am no 
> chemist, but I am sure they are different.  Here in Ontario, Shell did 
> not add ethanol to their premium up to last October, now they do and I 
> imagine that is nation-wide.  They "got away" with this because of the 
> way the ethanol content is, or at least was, measured.  I understand 
> (i.e., not 100% positive) it was an average across total sales.  So 
> they could add a bit more in regular grades and not add it to premium. 
>  It was something like that anyhow.  It was a corporate decision to 
> start adding it to premium, not a change in government mandate.  It is 
> a real mess in my opinion as the ethanol can in time, with the 
> addition of moisture in the storage tank (e.g., condensation) separate 
> from the gas.  Its called "phase separation" (google it).  The ethanol 
> can combine with the water molecules and being heavier sinks to the 
> bottom of the storage tank, where of course the pump pick-up is 
> located.  So although the tanker may put fuel in which has only up to 
> 10% ethanol, what comes out the nozzle could be different.  That all 
> said, I have not noticed any problem with my BT7.  I think the most 
> you would have to do is adjust your timing as the ethanol has a slower 
> burn rate than gas.  It is a totally different issue with my 
> air-cooled classic bikes.  The gas in those helps (minimally) with 
> cooling and we generally run them a little richer than optimum.  But 
> it really creates timing issues when you have a high dome piston and 
> the plug to one side - its a relatively long way over the dome and the 
> slower burn rate creates timing issues.  BTW, I've been told that 
> avgas has a different formula and is not necessary a good alternative, 
> and is certainly inconvenient.  Some speed shops cell good gas, but 
> again, super inconvenient, and as I noted, I don't think it is an 
> issue with a Healey.  There are several apps that tell you the nearest 
> ethanol free gas - just google it.  There are also additives that 
> claim to neutralize the ethanol.  I'll be experimenting with these in 
> the bikes.
>
> Sent from my alternative
>
>> On Sep 2, 2024, at 11:29 AM, Engl <engl at accesscomm.ca> wrote:
>>
>>  I thought that all our gas had to have the corn filler (alcohol) 
>> already, but that’s maybe not the case yet.  I found a Shell station 
>> in Saskatoon that had a “contains alcohol” on silver and bronze at 
>> the pump, but no label on their premium gas - checked other pumps and 
>> it was the same I was hoping their premium did not contain alcohol, 
>> but the signs used to say “ contains no alcohol” on premium.
>>
>> A Shell in Regina had just a general note on the pump that said “ may 
>> contain alcohol”, so dunno.
>>
>> Didn’t there used to be an app??
>>
>> Bob England
>>
>>> On Sep 2, 2024, at 8:56 AM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys 
>>> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>  A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running 
>>> my 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
>>> In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate alcohol 
>>> in all grades of gas.
>>> Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations to deal 
>>> with this?
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