From rubino at truespeed.ca  Mon Sep  2 08:45:51 2024
From: rubino at truespeed.ca (rubino at truespeed.ca)
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2024 14:45:51 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] gas/alcohol
Message-ID: <em76b692be-636a-4d77-a49b-f77a7c901e28@p6520f>

A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running my 
100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate alcohol in 
all grades of gas.
Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations to deal with 
this?
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From gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com  Mon Sep  2 09:03:51 2024
From: gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com (Richard Collins)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:03:51 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] gas/alcohol
In-Reply-To: <em76b692be-636a-4d77-a49b-f77a7c901e28@p6520f>
References: <em76b692be-636a-4d77-a49b-f77a7c901e28@p6520f>
Message-ID: <BN8PR15MB256410A3F79EA04F0CBD61F1BF922@BN8PR15MB2564.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Maybe Marinas ? Or Farm areas where tractors fuel ?
Regards,
Richard C


On Sep 2, 2024, at 09:54, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

? A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running my 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate alcohol in all grades of gas.
Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations to deal with this?
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From engl at accesscomm.ca  Mon Sep  2 09:29:37 2024
From: engl at accesscomm.ca (Engl)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 09:29:37 -0600
Subject: [Healeys] gas/alcohol
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I thought that all our gas had to have the corn filler (alcohol) already, but that?s maybe not the case yet.  I found a Shell station in Saskatoon that had a ?contains alcohol? on silver and bronze at the pump, but no label on their premium gas - checked other pumps and it was the same I was hoping their premium did not contain alcohol, but the signs used to say ? contains no alcohol? on premium. 

A Shell in Regina had just a general note on the pump that said ? may contain alcohol?, so dunno. 

Didn?t there used to be an app??

Bob England

> On Sep 2, 2024, at 8:56?AM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ? A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running my 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
> In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate alcohol in all grades of gas.
> Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations to deal with this?
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From healeyrik at gmail.com  Mon Sep  2 10:19:07 2024
From: healeyrik at gmail.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 12:19:07 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] gas/alcohol
In-Reply-To: <7D2826AD-6CB3-4F3E-A990-CFAB69E2038A@accesscomm.ca>
References: <em76b692be-636a-4d77-a49b-f77a7c901e28@p6520f>
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Here's the app: https://www.pure-gas.org/

HealeyRick

On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 12:05?PM Engl <engl at accesscomm.ca> wrote:

> I thought that all our gas had to have the corn filler (alcohol) already,
> but that?s maybe not the case yet.  I found a Shell station in Saskatoon
> that had a ?contains alcohol? on silver and bronze at the pump, but no
> label on their premium gas - checked other pumps and it was the same I was
> hoping their premium did not contain alcohol, but the signs used to say ?
> contains no alcohol? on premium.
>
> A Shell in Regina had just a general note on the pump that said ? may
> contain alcohol?, so dunno.
>
> Didn?t there used to be an app??
>
> Bob England
>
> On Sep 2, 2024, at 8:56?AM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ? A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running my
> 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
> In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate alcohol in all
> grades of gas.
> Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations to deal with
> this?
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Mon Sep  2 10:40:03 2024
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 09:40:03 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] gas/alcohol
In-Reply-To: <em76b692be-636a-4d77-a49b-f77a7c901e28@p6520f>
References: <em76b692be-636a-4d77-a49b-f77a7c901e28@p6520f>
Message-ID: <a1220c0c-9571-490d-be56-c2dd117002bb@comcast.net>

Living in California, I have been running 'gasahol' in all my cars 
longer than some. Best we can usually get is 91-octane; I was able to 
buy higher-octane--93 and 100--fuel at times but, guess what: the octane 
was boosted with ethanol (added water to some and measured before and 
after; don't recall the exact mix but IIRC I figured it was 10% ethanol; 
standard from the pump seems to be about 8%).

I have about 140K miles on my BJ8 running mostly 91-octane gasahol, and 
there have been no negative effects save some 'vapor lock*' on starting 
when hot. I replaced the hard line to carburettor flex line that had 
been on the car for a couple decades and, except for it being a little 
stiff there was no visible degradation. About 8 years ago I put a new 
carb jet in pure/denatured ethanol and there is also no visible 
degradation. Rubber components sold since the introduction of gasahol 
are impervious to the stuff. Theoretically, due to its oxygen content 
gasahol could cause an engine to run a little lean, and at least one 
knowledgeable person recommends changing to rich carb needles, but both 
my cars have long since been tuned to run on it with std. needles. The 
BJ8 was rebuilt to standard 9.1:1 compression ratio, the BN2 is a 100M 
and has the 'high compression' 8.7:1 pistons. I've been told Healeys 
will run fine on 91 up to about 11:1 compression, depending on the cam 
and timing.

Good luck trying to 'steal' from an airport--when I owned airplanes I 
would occasionally get some--but the fuel providers aren't likely to be 
enthusiastic about selling it to you. Technically, you would owe 'road 
tax,' and the stuff is full of TEL and highly toxic (don't breathe any 
of it and don't let it get on your skin).

* not technically 'vapor lock,' but the alcohol vaporizes and cavitates 
the fuel next to the exhaust manifold, causing some stumbling for a mile 
or so.

Bob

On 9/2/2024 7:45 AM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys wrote:
> A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running my 
> 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
> In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate alcohol in 
> all grades of gas.
> Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations to deal 
> with this?
>
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From gradea1 at charter.net  Mon Sep  2 11:19:13 2024
From: gradea1 at charter.net (Hank Leach)
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2024 17:19:13 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] gas/alcohol
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Mon Sep  2 11:22:50 2024
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 10:22:50 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] gas/alcohol
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR15MB256410A3F79EA04F0CBD61F1BF922@BN8PR15MB2564.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <em76b692be-636a-4d77-a49b-f77a7c901e28@p6520f>
 <BN8PR15MB256410A3F79EA04F0CBD61F1BF922@BN8PR15MB2564.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <ffd35696-60cc-4548-a360-93606a0b7f9f@comcast.net>

I'm a (sort of) farmer living in a farm area; farm equipment is almost 
exclusively run on diesel. Most have (gov't size-limited) 500g tanks and 
have diesel delivered from the nearest distributor; any gasoline needed 
is bought at the pump. We used to have a 500g above-ground gas tank for 
our cars and old Ford tractors, but the regs got so onerous we got rid 
of it.

Anybody thinks we can farm on batteries is delusional.

On 9/2/2024 8:03 AM, Richard Collins wrote:
> Maybe Marinas ? Or Farm areas where tractors fuel ?
> Regards,
> Richard C
>
>
>> On Sep 2, 2024, at 09:54, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys 
>> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ? A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running my 
>> 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
>> In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate alcohol 
>> in all grades of gas.
>> Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations to deal 
>> with this?
>>
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From coudesluijs at chello.nl  Mon Sep  2 11:28:40 2024
From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:28:40 +0200
Subject: [Healeys] gas/alcohol
In-Reply-To: <a1220c0c-9571-490d-be56-c2dd117002bb@comcast.net>
References: <em76b692be-636a-4d77-a49b-f77a7c901e28@p6520f>
 <a1220c0c-9571-490d-be56-c2dd117002bb@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <b7f6f0ed-3160-423a-9af2-3e645adda804@chello.nl>

Bob is absolutely right. Very little if any ill effects from E10. I have 
been driving E5/E10/E15 for decades without any problems, no rust in 
tank, no degenerating of rubber hoses or diaphragms. These rubber parts 
always have/had to be replaced periodically anyway, just the normal 
maintenance.
At some point I even tanked E85 (full tank) by mistake and the car 
(although a relative modern Subaru Forester 2006) took it in its stride 
without any ill effects. It ran fine, although a bit underpowered. As 
the ethanol has good cleaning properties the car even ran better 
afterwards on the usual E10.
Kees Oudesluijs


Op 2-9-2024 om 18:40 schreef Bob Spidell via Healeys:
> Living in California, I have been running 'gasahol' in all my cars 
> longer than some. Best we can usually get is 91-octane; I was able to 
> buy higher-octane--93 and 100--fuel at times but, guess what: the 
> octane was boosted with ethanol (added water to some and measured 
> before and after; don't recall the exact mix but IIRC I figured it was 
> 10% ethanol; standard from the pump seems to be about 8%).
>
> I have about 140K miles on my BJ8 running mostly 91-octane gasahol, 
> and there have been no negative effects save some 'vapor lock*' on 
> starting when hot. I replaced the hard line to carburettor flex line 
> that had been on the car for a couple decades and, except for it being 
> a little stiff there was no visible degradation. About 8 years ago I 
> put a new carb jet in pure/denatured ethanol and there is also no 
> visible degradation. Rubber components sold since the introduction of 
> gasahol are impervious to the stuff. Theoretically, due to its oxygen 
> content gasahol could cause an engine to run a little lean, and at 
> least one knowledgeable person recommends changing to rich carb 
> needles, but both my cars have long since been tuned to run on it with 
> std. needles. The BJ8 was rebuilt to standard 9.1:1 compression ratio, 
> the BN2 is a 100M and has the 'high compression' 8.7:1 pistons. I've 
> been told Healeys will run fine on 91 up to about 11:1 compression, 
> depending on the cam and timing.
>
> Good luck trying to 'steal' from an airport--when I owned airplanes I 
> would occasionally get some--but the fuel providers aren't likely to 
> be enthusiastic about selling it to you. Technically, you would owe 
> 'road tax,' and the stuff is full of TEL and highly toxic (don't 
> breathe any of it and don't let it get on your skin).
>
> * not technically 'vapor lock,' but the alcohol vaporizes and 
> cavitates the fuel next to the exhaust manifold, causing some 
> stumbling for a mile or so.
>
> Bob
>
> On 9/2/2024 7:45 AM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys wrote:
>> A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running my 
>> 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
>> In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate alcohol 
>> in all grades of gas.
>> Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations to deal 
>> with this?
>>
>
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Mon Sep  2 11:32:04 2024
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 10:32:04 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] gas/alcohol
In-Reply-To: <45f8343f-8584-9915-1bea-9b5fb0c78ce3@charter.net>
References: <45f8343f-8584-9915-1bea-9b5fb0c78ce3@charter.net>
Message-ID: <9b1b9045-3efa-4ed4-a300-6c39167abad9@comcast.net>

"Ethanol boosts the octane number of fuel, which helps prevent 
pre-ignition knock. Incidentally, the octane rating system for fuels was 
originally developed by Penn State chemist Russell Marker in the 1920s. 
The octane rating (Anti-Knock Index, AKI) of normal unleaded gasoline in 
the United States is 87. The octane rating of pure ethanol is 100. 
What's interesting is that when ethanol is blended with gasoline, it 
performs as if its octane rating is 112, making ethanol a very effective 
octane booster when used in gasoline. High octane is one reason why 
NASCAR uses ethanol for their high-compression racing engines. Engines 
that are designed and optimized for ethanol fuel have the potential to 
run at higher efficiencies than engines designed for and using gasoline."

https://extension.psu.edu/fuel-ethanol-hero-or-villain

On 9/2/2024 10:19 AM, Hank Leach wrote:
> Ethanol will not raise the octane level of fuel-only the "tanes" shown 
> on the chart affect boost and the higher the tane the more expensive 
> the fuel.
> If you procure fuel from an airport spout for road use there is a 
> hefty fine (about $50K I think) and maybe jail time,? so they won't 
> sell you any.? If clear gas (no eth) is not available you are stuck 
> with ethanol. Hank
>
> --------------------
>
> From: "Bob Spidell via Healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Reply-To: "Bob Spidell" <bspidell at comcast.net>
> To: <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Sent: September 2, 2024 at 10:02 AM PDT
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] gas/alcohol
> Living in California, I have been running 'gasahol' in all my cars 
> longer than some. Best we can usually get is 91-octane; I was able to 
> buy higher-octane--93 and 100--fuel at times but, guess what: the 
> octane was boosted with ethanol (added water to some and measured 
> before and after; don't recall the exact mix but IIRC I figured it was 
> 10% ethanol; standard from the pump seems to be about 8%).
>
> I have about 140K miles on my BJ8 running mostly 91-octane gasahol, 
> and there have been no negative effects save some 'vapor lock*' on 
> starting when hot. I replaced the hard line to carburettor flex line 
> that had been on the car for a couple decades and, except for it being 
> a little stiff there was no visible degradation. About 8 years ago I 
> put a new carb jet in pure/denatured ethanol and there is also no 
> visible degradation. Rubber components sold since the introduction of 
> gasahol are impervious to the stuff. Theoretically, due to its oxygen 
> content gasahol could cause an engine to run a little lean, and at 
> least one knowledgeable person recommends changing to rich carb 
> needles, but both my cars have long since been tuned to run on it with 
> std. needles. The BJ8 was rebuilt to standard 9.1:1 compression ratio, 
> the BN2 is a 100M and has the 'high compression' 8.7:1 pistons. I've 
> been told Healeys will run fine on 91 up to about 11:1 compression, 
> depending on the cam and timing.
>
> Good luck trying to 'steal' from an airport--when I owned airplanes I 
> would occasionally get some--but the fuel providers aren't likely to 
> be enthusiastic about selling it to you. Technically, you would owe 
> 'road tax,' and the stuff is full of TEL and highly toxic (don't 
> breathe any of it and don't let it get on your skin).
>
> * not technically 'vapor lock,' but the alcohol vaporizes and 
> cavitates the fuel next to the exhaust manifold, causing some 
> stumbling for a mile or so.
>
> Bob
>
> On 9/2/2024 7:45 AM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys wrote:
>
>     A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running
>     my 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
>     In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate
>     alcohol in all grades of gas.
>     Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations to
>     deal with this?
>
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From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca  Mon Sep  2 11:56:02 2024
From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (Mirek Sharp)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:56:02 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] gas/alcohol
In-Reply-To: <7D2826AD-6CB3-4F3E-A990-CFAB69E2038A@accesscomm.ca>
References: <7D2826AD-6CB3-4F3E-A990-CFAB69E2038A@accesscomm.ca>
Message-ID: <FAF6CD67-2D2B-4EC0-94D0-F5A418725300@sympatico.ca>

Guys, first, its ethanol that is being added, not alcohol.  I am no chemist, but I am sure they are different.  Here in Ontario, Shell did not add ethanol to their premium up to last October, now they do and I imagine that is nation-wide.  They "got away" with this because of the way the ethanol content is, or at least was, measured.  I understand (i.e., not 100% positive) it was an average across total sales.  So they could add a bit more in regular grades and not add it to premium.  It was something like that anyhow.  It was a corporate decision to start adding it to premium, not a change in government mandate.  It is a real mess in my opinion as the ethanol can in time, with the addition of moisture in the storage tank (e.g., condensation) separate from the gas.  Its called "phase separation" (google it).  The ethanol can combine with the water molecules and being heavier sinks to the bottom of the storage tank, where of course the pump pick-up is located.  So although the tanker may put fuel in which has only up to 10% ethanol, what comes out the nozzle could be different.  That all said, I have not noticed any problem with my BT7.  I think the most you would have to do is adjust your timing as the ethanol has a slower burn rate than gas.  It is a totally different issue with my air-cooled classic bikes.  The gas in those helps (minimally) with cooling and we generally run them a little richer than optimum.  But it really creates timing issues when you have a high dome piston and the plug to one side - its a relatively long way over the dome and the slower burn rate creates timing issues.  BTW, I've been told that avgas has a different formula and is not necessary a good alternative, and is certainly inconvenient.  Some speed shops cell good gas, but again, super inconvenient, and as I noted, I don't think it is an issue with a Healey.  There are several apps that tell you the nearest ethanol free gas - just google it.  There are also additives that claim to neutralize the ethanol.  I'll be experimenting with these in the bikes.

Sent from my alternative

> On Sep 2, 2024, at 11:29 AM, Engl <engl at accesscomm.ca> wrote:
> 
> ?I thought that all our gas had to have the corn filler (alcohol) already, but that?s maybe not the case yet.  I found a Shell station in Saskatoon that had a ?contains alcohol? on silver and bronze at the pump, but no label on their premium gas - checked other pumps and it was the same I was hoping their premium did not contain alcohol, but the signs used to say ? contains no alcohol? on premium. 
> 
> A Shell in Regina had just a general note on the pump that said ? may contain alcohol?, so dunno. 
> 
> Didn?t there used to be an app??
> 
> Bob England
> 
>>> On Sep 2, 2024, at 8:56?AM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ? A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running my 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
>> In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate alcohol in all grades of gas.
>> Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations to deal with this?
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From wkollar at nycap.rr.com  Mon Sep  2 12:03:52 2024
From: wkollar at nycap.rr.com (Bill Kollar)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:03:52 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] gas/alcohol
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*Check out the gas stations near the local dirt track, one or more of 
them is bound to be selling alcohol free fuel (100+ Oct or Av Gas at 
some of them).*

*Alcohol fuel has been the rule here in NY, it seems like forever now, 
but Alcohol Free has always been available if you know where to look.*

*https://www.pure-gas.org/*

*
*

------------------------------------------------------------------------



On 9/2/2024 12:40 PM, Bob Spidell via Healeys wrote:
> Living in California, I have been running 'gasahol' in all my cars 
> longer than some. Best we can usually get is 91-octane; I was able to 
> buy higher-octane--93 and 100--fuel at times but, guess what: the 
> octane was boosted with ethanol (added water to some and measured 
> before and after; don't recall the exact mix but IIRC I figured it was 
> 10% ethanol; standard from the pump seems to be about 8%).
>
> I have about 140K miles on my BJ8 running mostly 91-octane gasahol, 
> and there have been no negative effects save some 'vapor lock*' on 
> starting when hot. I replaced the hard line to carburettor flex line 
> that had been on the car for a couple decades and, except for it being 
> a little stiff there was no visible degradation. About 8 years ago I 
> put a new carb jet in pure/denatured ethanol and there is also no 
> visible degradation. Rubber components sold since the introduction of 
> gasahol are impervious to the stuff. Theoretically, due to its oxygen 
> content gasahol could cause an engine to run a little lean, and at 
> least one knowledgeable person recommends changing to rich carb 
> needles, but both my cars have long since been tuned to run on it with 
> std. needles. The BJ8 was rebuilt to standard 9.1:1 compression ratio, 
> the BN2 is a 100M and has the 'high compression' 8.7:1 pistons. I've 
> been told Healeys will run fine on 91 up to about 11:1 compression, 
> depending on the cam and timing.
>
> Good luck trying to 'steal' from an airport--when I owned airplanes I 
> would occasionally get some--but the fuel providers aren't likely to 
> be enthusiastic about selling it to you. Technically, you would owe 
> 'road tax,' and the stuff is full of TEL and highly toxic (don't 
> breathe any of it and don't let it get on your skin).
>
> * not technically 'vapor lock,' but the alcohol vaporizes and 
> cavitates the fuel next to the exhaust manifold, causing some 
> stumbling for a mile or so.
>
> Bob
>
> On 9/2/2024 7:45 AM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys wrote:
>> A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running my 
>> 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
>> In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate alcohol 
>> in all grades of gas.
>> Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations to deal 
>> with this?
>>
>
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From rmarkovich at aol.com  Mon Sep  2 12:12:05 2024
From: rmarkovich at aol.com (Robert Markovich)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:12:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] gas/alcohol
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Wonder whether today?s ethanol fuel contributes to the run-on (dieseling) many Healey owners experience. If you?re lucky (and have set carbs and timing correctly), you can solve the problem by flooring?the gas pedal after turning off the ignition and inundate the cylinders with air, especially on a BJ8 with its larger HD8 SUs. Otherwise, as on my BN7, you must stall the engine by lifting the clutch pedal in fourth to keep it from running on. Am trying Techron combustion chamber/fuel system cleaner on the chance removing built up deposits will do the trick, but we will see ?


Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS


On Monday, September 2, 2024, 1:01 PM, Bob Spidell via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

 Living in California, I have been running 'gasahol' in all my cars longer than some. Best we can usually get is 91-octane; I was able to buy higher-octane--93 and 100--fuel at times but, guess what: the octane was boosted with ethanol (added water to some and measured before and after; don't recall the exact mix but IIRC I figured it was 10% ethanol; standard from the pump seems to be about 8%).
 
 I have about 140K miles on my BJ8 running mostly 91-octane gasahol, and there have been no negative effects save some 'vapor lock*' on starting when hot. I replaced the hard line to carburettor flex line that had been on the car for a couple decades and, except for it being a little stiff there was no visible degradation. About 8 years ago I put a new carb jet in pure/denatured ethanol and there is also no visible degradation. Rubber components sold since the introduction of gasahol are impervious to the stuff. Theoretically, due to its oxygen content gasahol could cause an engine to run a little lean, and at least one knowledgeable person recommends changing to rich carb needles, but both my cars have long since been tuned to run on it with std. needles. The BJ8 was rebuilt to standard 9.1:1 compression ratio, the BN2 is a 100M and has the 'high compression' 8.7:1 pistons. I've been told Healeys will run fine on 91 up to about 11:1 compression, depending on the cam and timing. 
 
 Good luck trying to 'steal' from an airport--when I owned airplanes I would occasionally get some--but the fuel providers aren't likely to be enthusiastic about selling it to you. Technically, you would owe 'road tax,' and the stuff is full of TEL and highly toxic (don't breathe any of it and don't let it get on your skin). 
 
 * not technically 'vapor lock,' but the alcohol vaporizes and cavitates the fuel next to the exhaust manifold, causing some stumbling for a mile or so.
 
 Bob
 
 On 9/2/2024 7:45 AM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys wrote:
  
 
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From vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com  Mon Sep  2 12:19:54 2024
From: vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com (Jean Caron)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:19:54 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] gas/alcohol
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We have had ethanol in all grade of gas for at least two of not three years now in Canada.

Jean

Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada?s largest network.
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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2024 11:19:07 AM
To: Engl <engl at accesscomm.ca>
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] gas/alcohol

Here's the app: https://www.pure-gas.org/

HealeyRick

On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 12:05?PM Engl <engl at accesscomm.ca<mailto:engl at accesscomm.ca>> wrote:
I thought that all our gas had to have the corn filler (alcohol) already, but that?s maybe not the case yet.  I found a Shell station in Saskatoon that had a ?contains alcohol? on silver and bronze at the pump, but no label on their premium gas - checked other pumps and it was the same I was hoping their premium did not contain alcohol, but the signs used to say ? contains no alcohol? on premium.

A Shell in Regina had just a general note on the pump that said ? may contain alcohol?, so dunno.

Didn?t there used to be an app??

Bob England

On Sep 2, 2024, at 8:56?AM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:

? A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running my 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate alcohol in all grades of gas.
Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations to deal with this?
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Mon Sep  2 13:19:30 2024
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 12:19:30 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] gas/alcohol
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CORRECTION: Hank is correct in that ethanol isn't necessarily used to 
boost octane in pump gas--my assumption was incorrect--it's only added 
because of the federal mandate. It can raise octane, though the effect 
is probably minimal (the Penn State article didn't give the blend ratio, 
but 102 over 100 isn't much regardless). You can refine 100-octane gas 
from crude, but it would probably cost $10/gallon or more; and running 
E85 allows compression ratios to be raised for better efficiency and 
performance. That's why TEL was developed: to cheaply increase fuel 
detonation resistance while simultaneously poisoning every living thing 
on the planet.

In digging further, I came across this, which pretty much acknowledges 
what a lot of us suspected: ethanol in gas causes vapor lock, and not 
just in our Healeys. Also surprising to me, as ethanol has a lower vapor 
pressure than gasoline--I'd assumed the opposite--but blending them 
increases vapor pressure.

"... Gasoline vapor lock causes engines to stall, mostly when the car is 
in traffic and temperature is rising high. Similarly when a car is 
parked for a short period of time the heated motor won?t start. The 
higher the temperature, the higher the altitude, the more likely it is 
that Gasoline vapors build a vapor lock, preventing the fuel in the line 
from moving to the engine."

https://www.grabner-instruments.com/-/media/ametekgrabnerinstruments/files/pdfs/application--vapor-pressure--vl-ratio-of-gasolineethanol-blends.pdf?la=en&revision=00f78dc8-029e-4481-ba85-e640bdc7e338

Note there is some effort to change all gas to 93-octane only, which 
would accommodate all engines and simplify the refining and delivery 
process. We can hope, I guess.

Bob


On 9/2/2024 10:32 AM, Bob Spidell via Healeys wrote:
> "Ethanol boosts the octane number of fuel, which helps prevent 
> pre-ignition knock. Incidentally, the octane rating system for fuels 
> was originally developed by Penn State chemist Russell Marker in the 
> 1920s. The octane rating (Anti-Knock Index, AKI) of normal unleaded 
> gasoline in the United States is 87. The octane rating of pure ethanol 
> is 100. What's interesting is that when ethanol is blended with 
> gasoline, it performs as if its octane rating is 112, making ethanol a 
> very effective octane booster when used in gasoline. High octane is 
> one reason why NASCAR uses ethanol for their high-compression racing 
> engines. Engines that are designed and optimized for ethanol fuel have 
> the potential to run at higher efficiencies than engines designed for 
> and using gasoline."
>
> https://extension.psu.edu/fuel-ethanol-hero-or-villain
>
> On 9/2/2024 10:19 AM, Hank Leach wrote:
>> Ethanol will not raise the octane level of fuel-only the "tanes" 
>> shown on the chart affect boost and the higher the tane the more 
>> expensive the fuel.
>> If you procure fuel from an airport spout for road use there is a 
>> hefty fine (about $50K I think) and maybe jail time,? so they won't 
>> sell you any.? If clear gas (no eth) is not available you are stuck 
>> with ethanol. Hank
>>
>> --------------------
>>
>> From: "Bob Spidell via Healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> Reply-To: "Bob Spidell" <bspidell at comcast.net>
>> To: <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: September 2, 2024 at 10:02 AM PDT
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] gas/alcohol
>> Living in California, I have been running 'gasahol' in all my cars 
>> longer than some. Best we can usually get is 91-octane; I was able to 
>> buy higher-octane--93 and 100--fuel at times but, guess what: the 
>> octane was boosted with ethanol (added water to some and measured 
>> before and after; don't recall the exact mix but IIRC I figured it 
>> was 10% ethanol; standard from the pump seems to be about 8%).
>>
>> I have about 140K miles on my BJ8 running mostly 91-octane gasahol, 
>> and there have been no negative effects save some 'vapor lock*' on 
>> starting when hot. I replaced the hard line to carburettor flex line 
>> that had been on the car for a couple decades and, except for it 
>> being a little stiff there was no visible degradation. About 8 years 
>> ago I put a new carb jet in pure/denatured ethanol and there is also 
>> no visible degradation. Rubber components sold since the introduction 
>> of gasahol are impervious to the stuff. Theoretically, due to its 
>> oxygen content gasahol could cause an engine to run a little lean, 
>> and at least one knowledgeable person recommends changing to rich 
>> carb needles, but both my cars have long since been tuned to run on 
>> it with std. needles. The BJ8 was rebuilt to standard 9.1:1 
>> compression ratio, the BN2 is a 100M and has the 'high compression' 
>> 8.7:1 pistons. I've been told Healeys will run fine on 91 up to about 
>> 11:1 compression, depending on the cam and timing.
>>
>> Good luck trying to 'steal' from an airport--when I owned airplanes I 
>> would occasionally get some--but the fuel providers aren't likely to 
>> be enthusiastic about selling it to you. Technically, you would owe 
>> 'road tax,' and the stuff is full of TEL and highly toxic (don't 
>> breathe any of it and don't let it get on your skin).
>>
>> * not technically 'vapor lock,' but the alcohol vaporizes and 
>> cavitates the fuel next to the exhaust manifold, causing some 
>> stumbling for a mile or so.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> On 9/2/2024 7:45 AM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys wrote:
>>
>>     A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running
>>     my 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
>>     In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate
>>     alcohol in all grades of gas.
>>     Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations to
>>     deal with this?
>>
>
>
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From rubino at truespeed.ca  Mon Sep  2 15:46:17 2024
From: rubino at truespeed.ca (rubino at truespeed.ca)
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2024 21:46:17 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] (no subject)
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Not in Shell high test
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Mon Sep  2 16:14:55 2024
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:14:55 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] gas/alcohol
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There's methanol (wood), ethanol (booze) and isopropyl (rubbing). All 
are alcohols; methanol and ethanol are suitable ICE fuels.

It's a large group of chemicals:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_(chemistry)


On 9/2/2024 10:56 AM, Mirek Sharp wrote:
> Guys, first, its ethanol that is being added, not alcohol. ?I am no 
> chemist, but I am sure they are different. ?Here in Ontario, Shell did 
> not add ethanol to their premium up to last October, now they do and I 
> imagine that is nation-wide. ?They "got away" with this because of the 
> way the ethanol content is, or at least was, measured. ?I understand 
> (i.e., not 100% positive) it was an average across total sales. ?So 
> they could add a bit more in regular grades and not add it to premium. 
> ?It was something like that anyhow. ?It was a corporate decision to 
> start adding it to premium, not a change in government mandate. ?It is 
> a real mess in my opinion as the ethanol can in time, with the 
> addition of moisture in the storage tank (e.g., condensation) separate 
> from the gas. ?Its called "phase separation" (google it). ?The ethanol 
> can combine with the water molecules and being heavier sinks to the 
> bottom of the storage tank, where of course the pump pick-up is 
> located. ?So although the tanker may put fuel in which has only up to 
> 10% ethanol, what comes out the nozzle could be different. ?That all 
> said, I have not noticed any problem with my BT7. ?I think the most 
> you would have to do is adjust your timing as the ethanol has a slower 
> burn rate than gas. ?It is a totally different issue with my 
> air-cooled classic bikes. ?The gas in those helps (minimally) with 
> cooling and we generally run them a little richer than optimum. ?But 
> it really creates timing issues when you have a high dome piston and 
> the plug to one side - its a relatively long way over the dome and the 
> slower burn rate creates timing issues. ?BTW, I've been told that 
> avgas has a different formula and is not necessary a good alternative, 
> and is certainly inconvenient. ?Some speed shops cell good gas, but 
> again, super inconvenient, and as I noted, I don't think it is an 
> issue with a Healey. ?There are several apps that tell you the nearest 
> ethanol free gas - just google it. ?There are also additives that 
> claim to neutralize the ethanol. ?I'll be experimenting with these in 
> the bikes.
>
> Sent from my alternative
>
>> On Sep 2, 2024, at 11:29 AM, Engl <engl at accesscomm.ca> wrote:
>>
>> ? I thought that all our gas had to have the corn filler (alcohol) 
>> already, but that?s maybe not the case yet. ?I found a Shell station 
>> in Saskatoon that had a ?contains alcohol? on silver and bronze at 
>> the pump, but no label on their premium gas - checked other pumps and 
>> it was the same I was hoping their premium did not contain alcohol, 
>> but the signs used to say ? contains no alcohol? on premium.
>>
>> A Shell in Regina had just a general note on the pump that said ? may 
>> contain alcohol?, so dunno.
>>
>> Didn?t there used to be an app??
>>
>> Bob England
>>
>>> On Sep 2, 2024, at 8:56?AM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys 
>>> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> ? A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running 
>>> my 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
>>> In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate alcohol 
>>> in all grades of gas.
>>> Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations to deal 
>>> with this?
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From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  2 16:33:38 2024
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:33:38 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] (no subject)
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It is in California.

On Mon, Sep 2, 2024, 3:00?PM carl and gerry rubino via Healeys <
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From michael.oritt at gmail.com  Mon Sep  2 18:25:36 2024
From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:25:36 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] gas/alcohol
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Running on may be the result of several different factors including
incorrect timing, carbon in the combustion chamber and high engine
temperature.

On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 4:34?PM Robert Markovich via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Wonder whether today?s ethanol fuel contributes to the run-on (dieseling)
> many Healey owners experience. If you?re lucky (and have set carbs and
> timing correctly), you can solve the problem by flooring the gas pedal
> after turning off the ignition and inundate the cylinders with air,
> especially on a BJ8 with its larger HD8 SUs. Otherwise, as on my BN7, you
> must stall the engine by lifting the clutch pedal in fourth to keep it from
> running on. Am trying Techron combustion chamber/fuel system cleaner on the
> chance removing built up deposits will do the trick, but we will see ?
>
>
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661>
>
> On Monday, September 2, 2024, 1:01 PM, Bob Spidell via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Living in California, I have been running 'gasahol' in all my cars longer
> than some. Best we can usually get is 91-octane; I was able to buy
> higher-octane--93 and 100--fuel at times but, guess what: the octane was
> boosted with ethanol (added water to some and measured before and after;
> don't recall the exact mix but IIRC I figured it was 10% ethanol; standard
> from the pump seems to be about 8%).
>
> I have about 140K miles on my BJ8 running mostly 91-octane gasahol, and
> there have been no negative effects save some 'vapor lock*' on starting
> when hot. I replaced the hard line to carburettor flex line that had been
> on the car for a couple decades and, except for it being a little stiff
> there was no visible degradation. About 8 years ago I put a new carb jet in
> pure/denatured ethanol and there is also no visible degradation. Rubber
> components sold since the introduction of gasahol are impervious to the
> stuff. Theoretically, due to its oxygen content gasahol could cause an
> engine to run a little lean, and at least one knowledgeable person
> recommends changing to rich carb needles, but both my cars have long since
> been tuned to run on it with std. needles. The BJ8 was rebuilt to standard
> 9.1:1 compression ratio, the BN2 is a 100M and has the 'high compression'
> 8.7:1 pistons. I've been told Healeys will run fine on 91 up to about 11:1
> compression, depending on the cam and timing.
>
> Good luck trying to 'steal' from an airport--when I owned airplanes I
> would occasionally get some--but the fuel providers aren't likely to be
> enthusiastic about selling it to you. Technically, you would owe 'road
> tax,' and the stuff is full of TEL and highly toxic (don't breathe any of
> it and don't let it get on your skin).
>
> * not technically 'vapor lock,' but the alcohol vaporizes and cavitates
> the fuel next to the exhaust manifold, causing some stumbling for a mile or
> so.
>
> Bob
>
> On 9/2/2024 7:45 AM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys wrote:
>
> A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running my 100/6
> on 93 gas with no alcohol.
> In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate alcohol in all
> grades of gas.
> Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations to deal with
> this?
>
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From rchaskell at earthlink.net  Tue Sep  3 04:07:29 2024
From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2024 06:07:29 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] gas/alcohol
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Around here, 93 octane cost $1 more a gallon than regular (87 octane).

Bob Haskell
Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar

On 9/2/24 15:19, Bob Spidell via Healeys wrote:
> CORRECTION: Hank is correct in that ethanol isn't necessarily used to 
> boost octane in pump gas--my assumption was incorrect--it's only added 
> because of the federal mandate. It can raise octane, though the effect 
> is probably minimal (the Penn State article didn't give the blend 
> ratio, but 102 over 100 isn't much regardless). You can refine 
> 100-octane gas from crude, but it would probably cost $10/gallon or 
> more; and running E85 allows compression ratios to be raised for 
> better efficiency and performance. That's why TEL was developed: to 
> cheaply increase fuel detonation resistance while simultaneously 
> poisoning every living thing on the planet.
>
> In digging further, I came across this, which pretty much acknowledges 
> what a lot of us suspected: ethanol in gas causes vapor lock, and not 
> just in our Healeys. Also surprising to me, as ethanol has a lower 
> vapor pressure than gasoline--I'd assumed the opposite--but blending 
> them increases vapor pressure.
>
> "... Gasoline vapor lock causes engines to stall, mostly when the car 
> is in traffic and temperature is rising high. Similarly when a car is 
> parked for a short period of time the heated motor won?t start. The 
> higher the temperature, the higher the altitude, the more likely it is 
> that Gasoline vapors build a vapor lock, preventing the fuel in the 
> line from moving to the engine."
>
> https://www.grabner-instruments.com/-/media/ametekgrabnerinstruments/files/pdfs/application--vapor-pressure--vl-ratio-of-gasolineethanol-blends.pdf?la=en&revision=00f78dc8-029e-4481-ba85-e640bdc7e338
>
> Note there is some effort to change all gas to 93-octane only, which 
> would accommodate all engines and simplify the refining and delivery 
> process. We can hope, I guess.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On 9/2/2024 10:32 AM, Bob Spidell via Healeys wrote:
>> "Ethanol boosts the octane number of fuel, which helps prevent 
>> pre-ignition knock. Incidentally, the octane rating system for fuels 
>> was originally developed by Penn State chemist Russell Marker in the 
>> 1920s. The octane rating (Anti-Knock Index, AKI) of normal unleaded 
>> gasoline in the United States is 87. The octane rating of pure 
>> ethanol is 100. What's interesting is that when ethanol is blended 
>> with gasoline, it performs as if its octane rating is 112, making 
>> ethanol a very effective octane booster when used in gasoline. High 
>> octane is one reason why NASCAR uses ethanol for their 
>> high-compression racing engines. Engines that are designed and 
>> optimized for ethanol fuel have the potential to run at higher 
>> efficiencies than engines designed for and using gasoline."
>>
>> https://extension.psu.edu/fuel-ethanol-hero-or-villain
>>
>> On 9/2/2024 10:19 AM, Hank Leach wrote:
>>> Ethanol will not raise the octane level of fuel-only the "tanes" 
>>> shown on the chart affect boost and the higher the tane the more 
>>> expensive the fuel.
>>> If you procure fuel from an airport spout for road use there is a 
>>> hefty fine (about $50K I think) and maybe jail time,? so they won't 
>>> sell you any.? If clear gas (no eth) is not available you are stuck 
>>> with ethanol. Hank
>>>
>>> --------------------
>>>
>>> From: "Bob Spidell via Healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net>
>>> Reply-To: "Bob Spidell" <bspidell at comcast.net>
>>> To: <healeys at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: September 2, 2024 at 10:02 AM PDT
>>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] gas/alcohol
>>> Living in California, I have been running 'gasahol' in all my cars 
>>> longer than some. Best we can usually get is 91-octane; I was able 
>>> to buy higher-octane--93 and 100--fuel at times but, guess what: the 
>>> octane was boosted with ethanol (added water to some and measured 
>>> before and after; don't recall the exact mix but IIRC I figured it 
>>> was 10% ethanol; standard from the pump seems to be about 8%).
>>>
>>> I have about 140K miles on my BJ8 running mostly 91-octane gasahol, 
>>> and there have been no negative effects save some 'vapor lock*' on 
>>> starting when hot. I replaced the hard line to carburettor flex line 
>>> that had been on the car for a couple decades and, except for it 
>>> being a little stiff there was no visible degradation. About 8 years 
>>> ago I put a new carb jet in pure/denatured ethanol and there is also 
>>> no visible degradation. Rubber components sold since the 
>>> introduction of gasahol are impervious to the stuff. Theoretically, 
>>> due to its oxygen content gasahol could cause an engine to run a 
>>> little lean, and at least one knowledgeable person recommends 
>>> changing to rich carb needles, but both my cars have long since been 
>>> tuned to run on it with std. needles. The BJ8 was rebuilt to 
>>> standard 9.1:1 compression ratio, the BN2 is a 100M and has the 
>>> 'high compression' 8.7:1 pistons. I've been told Healeys will run 
>>> fine on 91 up to about 11:1 compression, depending on the cam and 
>>> timing.
>>>
>>> Good luck trying to 'steal' from an airport--when I owned airplanes 
>>> I would occasionally get some--but the fuel providers aren't likely 
>>> to be enthusiastic about selling it to you. Technically, you would 
>>> owe 'road tax,' and the stuff is full of TEL and highly toxic (don't 
>>> breathe any of it and don't let it get on your skin).
>>>
>>> * not technically 'vapor lock,' but the alcohol vaporizes and 
>>> cavitates the fuel next to the exhaust manifold, causing some 
>>> stumbling for a mile or so.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> On 9/2/2024 7:45 AM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys wrote:
>>>
>>>     A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running
>>>     my 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
>>>     In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate
>>>     alcohol in all grades of gas.
>>>     Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations to
>>>     deal with this?
>>>
>>
>>
>
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From rmarkovich at aol.com  Tue Sep  3 07:18:22 2024
From: rmarkovich at aol.com (Robert Markovich)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:18:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] gas/alcohol
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Thank you. Engine runs cool and timing and carburetor mixture are spot on. That leaves carbon as the likely culprit tho I may try cooler plugs as well ?


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On Monday, September 2, 2024, 8:25 PM, Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com> wrote:

Running on may be the result of several different factors including incorrect timing, carbon in the combustion chamber and high engine temperature.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 4:34?PM Robert Markovich via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

Wonder whether today?s ethanol fuel contributes to the run-on (dieseling) many Healey owners experience. If you?re lucky (and have set carbs and timing correctly), you can solve the problem by flooring?the gas pedal after turning off the ignition and inundate the cylinders with air, especially on a BJ8 with its larger HD8 SUs. Otherwise, as on my BN7, you must stall the engine by lifting the clutch pedal in fourth to keep it from running on. Am trying Techron combustion chamber/fuel system cleaner on the chance removing built up deposits will do the trick, but we will see ?


Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS


On Monday, September 2, 2024, 1:01 PM, Bob Spidell via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

 Living in California, I have been running 'gasahol' in all my cars longer than some. Best we can usually get is 91-octane; I was able to buy higher-octane--93 and 100--fuel at times but, guess what: the octane was boosted with ethanol (added water to some and measured before and after; don't recall the exact mix but IIRC I figured it was 10% ethanol; standard from the pump seems to be about 8%).
 
 I have about 140K miles on my BJ8 running mostly 91-octane gasahol, and there have been no negative effects save some 'vapor lock*' on starting when hot. I replaced the hard line to carburettor flex line that had been on the car for a couple decades and, except for it being a little stiff there was no visible degradation. About 8 years ago I put a new carb jet in pure/denatured ethanol and there is also no visible degradation. Rubber components sold since the introduction of gasahol are impervious to the stuff. Theoretically, due to its oxygen content gasahol could cause an engine to run a little lean, and at least one knowledgeable person recommends changing to rich carb needles, but both my cars have long since been tuned to run on it with std. needles. The BJ8 was rebuilt to standard 9.1:1 compression ratio, the BN2 is a 100M and has the 'high compression' 8.7:1 pistons. I've been told Healeys will run fine on 91 up to about 11:1 compression, depending on the cam and timing. 
 
 Good luck trying to 'steal' from an airport--when I owned airplanes I would occasionally get some--but the fuel providers aren't likely to be enthusiastic about selling it to you. Technically, you would owe 'road tax,' and the stuff is full of TEL and highly toxic (don't breathe any of it and don't let it get on your skin). 
 
 * not technically 'vapor lock,' but the alcohol vaporizes and cavitates the fuel next to the exhaust manifold, causing some stumbling for a mile or so.
 
 Bob
 
 On 9/2/2024 7:45 AM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys wrote:
  
 
 A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running my 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol. In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate alcohol in all grades of gas. Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations to deal with this? 
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From rcobb at sonic.net  Wed Sep 11 12:36:31 2024
From: rcobb at sonic.net (RCobb)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2024 11:36:31 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] British (Car) Invasion
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For those in the Vermont area, Sept. 20-22, 2024, there will be the 
"British invasion XXXIII"


      Featured Marques for 2024 are: MG, Austin-Healey and Rolls-Royce &
      Bentley.

Further info at https://www.britishinvasion.com/

Bob

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From healeybruce at roadrunner.com  Wed Sep 11 22:00:33 2024
From: healeybruce at roadrunner.com (healeybruce at roadrunner.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2024 21:00:33 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?
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I've not been receiving emails for several weeks.

 

Bruce Steele

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From healey.nut at gmail.com  Thu Sep 12 00:59:30 2024
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 14:59:30 +0800
Subject: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?
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Hi Bruce - I see you.  did you check your junk folder?

Alan

On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 12:13?PM healeybruce--- via Healeys <
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> I?ve not been receiving emails for several weeks.
>
>
>
> Bruce Steele
>
> 1960 BN7
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From airtightproductions at me.com  Thu Sep 12 08:27:11 2024
From: airtightproductions at me.com (Steven Kingsbury)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 14:27:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?
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It's just been very quiet on the list lately. Seems to be less busy, I guess everyone's cars are all running just fine! Ha! Cheers! Steven Kingsbury BN1 On Sep 12, 2024, at 12:15 AM, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com> wrote: Hi Bruce - I see you. did you check your junk folder? Alan On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 12:13 PM healeybruce--- via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net > wrote: I?ve not been receiving emails for several weeks. Bruce Steele 1960 BN7 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/airtightproductions at icloud.com
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From sbyers at ec.rr.com  Thu Sep 12 09:23:15 2024
From: sbyers at ec.rr.com (sbyers at ec.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 11:23:15 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?
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Maybe half or more of the people who used to be active participants are now deceased, sold their cars, or lost interest?
I?ve been on the list since 1996, but hardly ever think about it now because the traffic has dropped off so much.
 
Steve Byers
BJ8 Registry
 
 
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Steven Kingsbury via Healeys
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2024 10:27 AM
To: Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com>
Cc: Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?
 
It's just been very quiet on the list lately. Seems to be less busy, I guess everyone's cars are all running just fine! Ha!
Cheers!
Steven Kingsbury
BN1 
 
On Sep 12, 2024, at 12:15 AM, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com <mailto:healey.nut at gmail.com> > wrote:
 
 
Hi Bruce - I see you.  did you check your junk folder?
 
Alan
 
On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 12:13?PM healeybruce--- via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote:
I?ve not been receiving emails for several weeks.
 
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Thu Sep 12 09:44:03 2024
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 08:44:03 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?
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OK, I'll get the ball rolling.

I have a background in chemistry, and have always been interested in 
stuff chemical, including motor oil and fuel. This is, to me, an 
interesting take I hadn't given a thought to before. I've always run 
premium in my Healeys, Lincoln (required) and Mustangs (of course) and 
my two-strokes* (chainsaws, blower, trimmers), but have made do with 
regular--mostly Costco--in my other equipment (Ranger, tractors, mower, 
edger, quad, squirrel gasser, Gator). My engine builder told me the 
engines he sees in the best shape have been run exclusively on Chevron 
premium, so the Mustang and Healeys get that whenever possible, the 
Lincoln and two-strokes get Costco 91; everything else gets Costco 87 
(note Costco gas claims to be 'Top Tier').

* My Stihl 4-stroke string trimmer specs 89-octane, but Costco only has 
87/91 so the 2-stroke mix gets 91.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAmEGI7xvBw


On 9/12/2024 7:27 AM, Steven Kingsbury via Healeys wrote:
> It's just been very quiet on the list lately. Seems to be less busy, I 
> guess everyone's cars are all running just fine! Ha!
> Cheers!
> Steven Kingsbury
> BN1
>
>> On Sep 12, 2024, at 12:15 AM, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Bruce - I see you.? did you check your junk folder?
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 12:13?PM healeybruce--- via Healeys 
>> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>     I?ve not been receiving emails for several weeks.
>>
>>
>>     Bruce Steele
>>
>>     1960 BN7
>>
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From michael.oritt at gmail.com  Thu Sep 12 11:49:42 2024
From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 13:49:42 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?
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References: <008b01db04c8$5120b570$f3622050$@roadrunner.com>
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I still subscribe to this list and also monitor both the Healey Experience
and British Car/Healey forums but I'll agree with Steve that things aren't
what they used to be like.
And side from exchanging Healey-related info we also used to have more
fun:  Friday Funnies, Name This Part plus contributions from a diverse
assortment of Healey folks.

Best--Michael Oritt

On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 11:47?AM sbyers--- via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Maybe half or more of the people who used to be active participants are
> now deceased, sold their cars, or lost interest?
>
> I?ve been on the list since 1996, but hardly ever think about it now
> because the traffic has dropped off so much.
>
>
>
> Steve Byers
>
> BJ8 Registry
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Steven
> Kingsbury via Healeys
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2024 10:27 AM
> *To:* Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?
>
>
>
> It's just been very quiet on the list lately. Seems to be less busy, I
> guess everyone's cars are all running just fine! Ha!
>
> Cheers!
>
> Steven Kingsbury
>
> BN1
>
>
>
> On Sep 12, 2024, at 12:15 AM, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Bruce - I see you.  did you check your junk folder?
>
>
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 12:13?PM healeybruce--- via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> I?ve not been receiving emails for several weeks.
>
>
>
> Bruce Steele
>
> 1960 BN7
>
>
>
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From michael.oritt at gmail.com  Thu Sep 12 12:02:09 2024
From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 14:02:09 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?
In-Reply-To: <23e80780-b088-4727-b2bb-00ff79d3cc81@comcast.net>
References: <008b01db04c8$5120b570$f3622050$@roadrunner.com>
 <CAFBXTkJ=ffifsCMiZ6g9MYx+04qbCmcPNj796gYuC270p4Ex+A@mail.gmail.com>
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Bob--

I live in MD where both 93 octane gasohol and alcohol-free fuels are
available.  Aside from some gasoline-powered garden tools for which I
bought the long-lasting stuff they sell by the gallon I have always used
pump gas.
My 2007 Tundra was great in that it would run on 87 whereas my Audi A4
requires 92--which works out to 93.
As for the Healey I always use 93 gasohol though I think I am wasting money
and could probably get by with 91.
As for my Ginetta G4 (Ford Kent precrossflow) and Elva MK IV (Coventry
Climax FWB) race cars I buy unleaded high octane (110) at the track and pay
whatever I must in order to play..

Best--Michael Oritt

On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 12:16?PM Bob Spidell via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> OK, I'll get the ball rolling.
>
> I have a background in chemistry, and have always been interested in stuff
> chemical, including motor oil and fuel. This is, to me, an interesting take
> I hadn't given a thought to before. I've always run premium in my Healeys,
> Lincoln (required) and Mustangs (of course) and my two-strokes* (chainsaws,
> blower, trimmers), but have made do with regular--mostly Costco--in my
> other equipment (Ranger, tractors, mower, edger, quad, squirrel gasser,
> Gator). My engine builder told me the engines he sees in the best shape
> have been run exclusively on Chevron premium, so the Mustang and Healeys
> get that whenever possible, the Lincoln and two-strokes get Costco 91;
> everything else gets Costco 87 (note Costco gas claims to be 'Top Tier').
>
> * My Stihl 4-stroke string trimmer specs 89-octane, but Costco only has
> 87/91 so the 2-stroke mix gets 91.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAmEGI7xvBw
>
>
> On 9/12/2024 7:27 AM, Steven Kingsbury via Healeys wrote:
>
> It's just been very quiet on the list lately. Seems to be less busy, I
> guess everyone's cars are all running just fine! Ha!
> Cheers!
> Steven Kingsbury
> BN1
>
> On Sep 12, 2024, at 12:15 AM, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com>
> <healey.nut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Bruce - I see you.  did you check your junk folder?
>
> Alan
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 12:13?PM healeybruce--- via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> I?ve not been receiving emails for several weeks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce Steele
>>
>> 1960 BN7
>>
>>
>>
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From wjc3 at citlink.net  Thu Sep 12 12:19:03 2024
From: wjc3 at citlink.net (john Conklin)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 18:19:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?
In-Reply-To: <CAPTa0B6CAL7YcnA78FFXzwuNu8av_YgZWf=w__w0=CKYs85M-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <008b01db04c8$5120b570$f3622050$@roadrunner.com>
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I Agree! john 67 BJ8?

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From healeyrik at gmail.com  Thu Sep 12 12:51:48 2024
From: healeyrik at gmail.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 14:51:48 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?
In-Reply-To: <23e80780-b088-4727-b2bb-00ff79d3cc81@comcast.net>
References: <008b01db04c8$5120b570$f3622050$@roadrunner.com>
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Message-ID: <CAGfzsZcMnLJu1RqdZ1puO8u-ZUch3LeFztbvCq5zUw1y+4wRQg@mail.gmail.com>

That's really interesting, Bob. It seems if lower quality fuel attacks the
amount of ZDDP in the motor oil it would especially affect our Healey
engines that require higher amounts of ZDDP.

On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 12:15?PM Bob Spidell via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> OK, I'll get the ball rolling.
>
> I have a background in chemistry, and have always been interested in stuff
> chemical, including motor oil and fuel. This is, to me, an interesting take
> I hadn't given a thought to before. I've always run premium in my Healeys,
> Lincoln (required) and Mustangs (of course) and my two-strokes* (chainsaws,
> blower, trimmers), but have made do with regular--mostly Costco--in my
> other equipment (Ranger, tractors, mower, edger, quad, squirrel gasser,
> Gator). My engine builder told me the engines he sees in the best shape
> have been run exclusively on Chevron premium, so the Mustang and Healeys
> get that whenever possible, the Lincoln and two-strokes get Costco 91;
> everything else gets Costco 87 (note Costco gas claims to be 'Top Tier').
>
> * My Stihl 4-stroke string trimmer specs 89-octane, but Costco only has
> 87/91 so the 2-stroke mix gets 91.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAmEGI7xvBw
>
>
> On 9/12/2024 7:27 AM, Steven Kingsbury via Healeys wrote:
>
> It's just been very quiet on the list lately. Seems to be less busy, I
> guess everyone's cars are all running just fine! Ha!
> Cheers!
> Steven Kingsbury
> BN1
>
> On Sep 12, 2024, at 12:15 AM, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com>
> <healey.nut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Bruce - I see you.  did you check your junk folder?
>
> Alan
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 12:13?PM healeybruce--- via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> I?ve not been receiving emails for several weeks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce Steele
>>
>> 1960 BN7
>>
>>
>>
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From wjc3 at citlink.net  Thu Sep 12 12:54:06 2024
From: wjc3 at citlink.net (john Conklin)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 18:54:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?
In-Reply-To: <1790534577.7241834.1726165143123@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <008b01db04c8$5120b570$f3622050$@roadrunner.com>
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 Very long time Silent Healey person! john

    On Thursday, September 12, 2024 at 02:19:03 PM EDT, john Conklin <wjc3 at citlink.net> wrote:  
 
 I Agree! john 67 BJ8?

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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 12 13:39:36 2024
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 12:39:36 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?
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It's been slow - everybody's been out driving, I guess.

 

Speaking of which, is your car all done now? Any new upgrades while re-doing
it?

 

-----------------------------------

All the best,

 

Al Fuller

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of healeybruce---
via Healeys
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 9:01 PM
To: Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?

 

I've not been receiving emails for several weeks.

 

Bruce Steele

1960 BN7

 

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From healeyguy at aol.com  Thu Sep 12 16:11:32 2024
From: healeyguy at aol.com (Perry Small)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 18:11:32 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Test--is the list down? Fuel
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From healeybruce at roadrunner.com  Thu Sep 12 16:41:56 2024
From: healeybruce at roadrunner.com (healeybruce at roadrunner.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 15:41:56 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?
Message-ID: <00ba01db0564$f9b74e50$ed25eaf0$@roadrunner.com>

I'm receiving replies to my inquiry, but so far nothing with any other
topic.  And thanks for the suggestion, but no, nothing is going into my spam
folder.

 

Bruce Steele

1960 BN7

 

From: healeybruce at roadrunner.com <healeybruce at roadrunner.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 9:01 PM
To: Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Test--is the list down?

 

I've not been receiving emails for several weeks.

 

Bruce Steele

1960 BN7

 

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From healeybruce at roadrunner.com  Thu Sep 12 16:50:00 2024
From: healeybruce at roadrunner.com (healeybruce at roadrunner.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 15:50:00 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?
In-Reply-To: <139d01db054b$8056a650$8103f2f0$@gmail.com>
References: <008b01db04c8$5120b570$f3622050$@roadrunner.com>
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Message-ID: <00e301db0566$1976a2d0$4c63e870$@roadrunner.com>

Not done, but underway.  The vent is installed in the left wing (see photo),
and the right side is underway.  But we have encountered some issues.  The
right side inner fender is about an inch further back than the left, and
interferes with the vent.  It looks like it was hit in that area in years
past and poorly repaired.  But, hey, nobody sees behind the fender, so who
cares, right?  So that needs to be fixed.  There are poor rust repairs on
the inner structure on both sides that should be addressed.  The door hinge
plate keepers are nearly rusted away.  The heater blower was trashed and
shoddily repaired with fiberglass.  I'm adding headers and side-exit
exhaust.  The horn push tabs all broke and when I took the trafficator
apart, I discovered the base was broken into 3 pieces, which explains why
the right indicator would not stay on.  I'll be working with Curt Arndt on
that.  

 

Bruce Steele

1960 BN7

 

From: alfuller194 at gmail.com <alfuller194 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2024 12:40 PM
To: healeybruce at roadrunner.com; 'Healeys' <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?

 

It's been slow - everybody's been out driving, I guess.

 

Speaking of which, is your car all done now? Any new upgrades while re-doing
it?

 

-----------------------------------

All the best,

 

Al Fuller

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of healeybruce---
via Healeys
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 9:01 PM
To: Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?

 

I've not been receiving emails for several weeks.

 

Bruce Steele

1960 BN7

 

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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Thu Sep 12 17:57:23 2024
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 19:57:23 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?
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Question for Bob. Through my aircraft engines training and experience and
many years in the automotive industry I have learned that "octane" is only
one of many properties of gasoline which have affects on engine
performance.  Octane is a measure of fuel's resistance to pre ignition and
has been grossly over sold to the unknowing public as "the" measure of the
quality of fuel. There are many other properties of gasoline which can
profoundly affect the performance of gasoline but these are seldom
mentioned.
As I understand it as long as the octane rating is high enough for the
effective compression ratio of the engine in which it is being used higher
octane rated fuel is of no benefit. Is that a correct statement?

On Thu., Sep. 12, 2024, 7:36 p.m. Michael Oritt, <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Bob--
>
> I live in MD where both 93 octane gasohol and alcohol-free fuels are
> available.  Aside from some gasoline-powered garden tools for which I
> bought the long-lasting stuff they sell by the gallon I have always used
> pump gas.
> My 2007 Tundra was great in that it would run on 87 whereas my Audi A4
> requires 92--which works out to 93.
> As for the Healey I always use 93 gasohol though I think I am wasting
> money and could probably get by with 91.
> As for my Ginetta G4 (Ford Kent precrossflow) and Elva MK IV (Coventry
> Climax FWB) race cars I buy unleaded high octane (110) at the track and pay
> whatever I must in order to play..
>
> Best--Michael Oritt
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 12:16?PM Bob Spidell via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> OK, I'll get the ball rolling.
>>
>> I have a background in chemistry, and have always been interested in
>> stuff chemical, including motor oil and fuel. This is, to me, an
>> interesting take I hadn't given a thought to before. I've always run
>> premium in my Healeys, Lincoln (required) and Mustangs (of course) and my
>> two-strokes* (chainsaws, blower, trimmers), but have made do with
>> regular--mostly Costco--in my other equipment (Ranger, tractors, mower,
>> edger, quad, squirrel gasser, Gator). My engine builder told me the engines
>> he sees in the best shape have been run exclusively on Chevron premium, so
>> the Mustang and Healeys get that whenever possible, the Lincoln and
>> two-strokes get Costco 91; everything else gets Costco 87 (note Costco gas
>> claims to be 'Top Tier').
>>
>> * My Stihl 4-stroke string trimmer specs 89-octane, but Costco only has
>> 87/91 so the 2-stroke mix gets 91.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAmEGI7xvBw
>>
>>
>> On 9/12/2024 7:27 AM, Steven Kingsbury via Healeys wrote:
>>
>> It's just been very quiet on the list lately. Seems to be less busy, I
>> guess everyone's cars are all running just fine! Ha!
>> Cheers!
>> Steven Kingsbury
>> BN1
>>
>> On Sep 12, 2024, at 12:15 AM, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com>
>> <healey.nut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Bruce - I see you.  did you check your junk folder?
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 12:13?PM healeybruce--- via Healeys <
>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I?ve not been receiving emails for several weeks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruce Steele
>>>
>>> 1960 BN7
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From rcobb at sonic.net  Thu Sep 12 18:00:30 2024
From: rcobb at sonic.net (RCobb)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 17:00:30 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] British (Car) Invasion
Message-ID: <0008d8dd-bf6e-4dab-85b9-2376c7621849@sonic.net>

(2nd submission due to apparent problem with list)

For those in the Vermont area, Sept. 20-22, 2024, there will be the 
"British invasion XXXIII"


      Featured Marques for 2024 are: MG, Austin-Healey and Rolls-Royce &
      Bentley.

Further info at https://www.britishinvasion.com/

Bob

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From javrugtman at htcnet.org  Thu Sep 12 19:41:06 2024
From: javrugtman at htcnet.org (John Vrugtman)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 21:41:06 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] too quiet
Message-ID: <d4392742-be9b-407f-ae54-ce92134ee033@htcnet.org>

OK I'll bring up an recent experience I've had.? Bought an electronic 
dizzy for my 64 BJ8 and had a experienced shop install it because they 
have a dyno to help choose one of the 16 curves available.? The 
technician called me up and said the unit shorted out right after 
installation almost burning ignition wires.? BTW shop is 250 miles from 
me.? Ordered another one to be shipped to the shop.? They installed it 
and set it for program number 9.? Picked up the car and drove it towards 
home.? After about 50 miles on interstate it started to cut out 
intermittently.? Was able to stop at a convenience store, replaced the 
dizzy with the original, which worked fine and drove home.? I think I'll 
leave it as it is for now.

John
64 BJ8
Hightown, VA

From vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 12 20:09:23 2024
From: vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com (Jean Caron)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2024 02:09:23 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?
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Bruce,
If it was hit on the right side in the past as you mentioned, you have other issues as well as the inner fender is attached to the inner sill, so if it is one inch back, where is the end of your inner sill at the front? Is it one inch back as well? Something is not working out here or is it only the top part of it that was not stretched back toward the front far enough. You may be opening a can of worm  but fixing it is still the best way forward. Take lots of measurements, not just from each side but also in an "X" so you will see how far off you are on each side.

Jean
________________________________
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of healeybruce--- via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: September 12, 2024 10:50 PM
To: alfuller194 at gmail.com <alfuller194 at gmail.com>; 'Healeys' <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?


Not done, but underway.  The vent is installed in the left wing (see photo), and the right side is underway.  But we have encountered some issues.  The right side inner fender is about an inch further back than the left, and interferes with the vent.  It looks like it was hit in that area in years past and poorly repaired.  But, hey, nobody sees behind the fender, so who cares, right?  So that needs to be fixed.  There are poor rust repairs on the inner structure on both sides that should be addressed.  The door hinge plate keepers are nearly rusted away.  The heater blower was trashed and shoddily repaired with fiberglass.  I?m adding headers and side-exit exhaust.  The horn push tabs all broke and when I took the trafficator apart, I discovered the base was broken into 3 pieces, which explains why the right indicator would not stay on.  I?ll be working with Curt Arndt on that.



Bruce Steele

1960 BN7



From: alfuller194 at gmail.com <alfuller194 at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2024 12:40 PM
To: healeybruce at roadrunner.com; 'Healeys' <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?



It?s been slow ? everybody?s been out driving, I guess.



Speaking of which, is your car all done now? Any new upgrades while re-doing it?



-----------------------------------

All the best,



Al Fuller



From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of healeybruce--- via Healeys
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 9:01 PM
To: Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>>
Subject: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?



I?ve not been receiving emails for several weeks.



Bruce Steele

1960 BN7


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From gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 12 20:15:48 2024
From: gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com (Richard Collins)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2024 02:15:48 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?
Message-ID: <BN8PR15MB2564566EE1322F66147C9BBEBF652@BN8PR15MB2564.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

?All good on my side. Activity is slow. Time to reopen tire selection or oil selection or ?

Actually I do have a question:
How many folks on this site track their Healey ?
If so, who do you run with ? SCCA or SVRA or HSR or ??
Regards,
Richard C


On Sep 12, 2024, at 02:08, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com> wrote:

?
Hi Bruce - I see you.  did you check your junk folder?

Alan

On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 12:13?PM healeybruce--- via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:
I?ve not been receiving emails for several weeks.

Bruce Steele
1960 BN7

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From vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 12 20:22:40 2024
From: vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com (Jean Caron)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2024 02:22:40 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] too quiet
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Just my own opinion here, but I think that all these new electronic parts that they make for our cars are really nothing more than 8junk that they sell to make money and keep their businesses going. As you proved your self you installed the original unit and it worked fine.
What I am wondering John, you drove your car 250 miles there and 250 miles back to have an electronic part installed that nearly burned your ignition wires by a company that claim to be pretty good at what they are doing. To my thinking, you sound like you likely would have done just as well yourself as you reinstalled the original on the side of the road.
This is not to say these places are to be avoided, but I still think that if you have tinkered enough with your Austin-Healey over the years, you are probably the best person to keep it running smooth.

Jean
________________________________
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of John Vrugtman via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: September 13, 2024 1:41 AM
To: Austin Healey <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] too quiet

OK I'll bring up an recent experience I've had.  Bought an electronic
dizzy for my 64 BJ8 and had a experienced shop install it because they
have a dyno to help choose one of the 16 curves available.  The
technician called me up and said the unit shorted out right after
installation almost burning ignition wires.  BTW shop is 250 miles from
me.  Ordered another one to be shipped to the shop.  They installed it
and set it for program number 9.  Picked up the car and drove it towards
home.  After about 50 miles on interstate it started to cut out
intermittently.  Was able to stop at a convenience store, replaced the
dizzy with the original, which worked fine and drove home.  I think I'll
leave it as it is for now.

John
64 BJ8
Hightown, VA
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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 12 20:35:00 2024
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 19:35:00 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] too quiet
In-Reply-To: <d4392742-be9b-407f-ae54-ce92134ee033@htcnet.org>
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John - any idea of what caused the first electronic distributor to fail? 

My experience has been just the opposite: I installed a Pertronix replacement electronic distributor in my BJ-8 and it never gave me a minutes' trouble, which is the same as everybody I know who has installed Pertronix inserts to replace stock points assemblies. Well, actually I DID short out the wires once and fried a module, but that's on me and not the unit, which was working just fine before I went in there working on something else.

[And yes, I DO know the web is rife with stories of how when they fail it's often all at once, and how one can limp home with bad points, or fix them at the side of the road...]

Anyway - just wondering what might be the issue with yours. It sounds like a polarity issue, but that's just guessing.
-----------------------------------
All the best,

Al Fuller

-----Original Message-----
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John Vrugtman via Healeys
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2024 6:41 PM
To: Austin Healey <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] too quiet

OK I'll bring up an recent experience I've had.  Bought an electronic dizzy for my 64 BJ8 and had a experienced shop install it because they have a dyno to help choose one of the 16 curves available.  The technician called me up and said the unit shorted out right after installation almost burning ignition wires.  BTW shop is 250 miles from me.  Ordered another one to be shipped to the shop.  They installed it and set it for program number 9.  Picked up the car and drove it towards home.  After about 50 miles on interstate it started to cut out intermittently.  Was able to stop at a convenience store, replaced the dizzy with the original, which worked fine and drove home.  I think I'll leave it as it is for now.

John
64 BJ8
Hightown, VA
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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 12 20:36:02 2024
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 19:36:02 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Chassis restoration
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Wow - that sounds like more than you bargained for when you started this
refresh. Let's hope there are no more surprises.

 

-----------------------------------

All the best,

 

Al Fuller

 

From: healeybruce at roadrunner.com <healeybruce at roadrunner.com> 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2024 3:50 PM
To: alfuller194 at gmail.com; 'Healeys' <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?

 

Not done, but underway.  The vent is installed in the left wing (see photo),
and the right side is underway.  But we have encountered some issues.  The
right side inner fender is about an inch further back than the left, and
interferes with the vent.  It looks like it was hit in that area in years
past and poorly repaired.  But, hey, nobody sees behind the fender, so who
cares, right?  So that needs to be fixed.  There are poor rust repairs on
the inner structure on both sides that should be addressed.  The door hinge
plate keepers are nearly rusted away.  The heater blower was trashed and
shoddily repaired with fiberglass.  I'm adding headers and side-exit
exhaust.  The horn push tabs all broke and when I took the trafficator
apart, I discovered the base was broken into 3 pieces, which explains why
the right indicator would not stay on.  I'll be working with Curt Arndt on
that.  

 

Bruce Steele

1960 BN7

 

From: alfuller194 at gmail.com <mailto:alfuller194 at gmail.com>
<alfuller194 at gmail.com <mailto:alfuller194 at gmail.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2024 12:40 PM
To: healeybruce at roadrunner.com <mailto:healeybruce at roadrunner.com> ;
'Healeys' <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> >
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?

 

It's been slow - everybody's been out driving, I guess.

 

Speaking of which, is your car all done now? Any new upgrades while re-doing
it?

 

-----------------------------------

All the best,

 

Al Fuller

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net
<mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of healeybruce--- via
Healeys
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 9:01 PM
To: Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?

 

I've not been receiving emails for several weeks.

 

Bruce Steele

1960 BN7

 

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From bspidell at comcast.net  Thu Sep 12 21:17:37 2024
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 20:17:37 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] too quiet
In-Reply-To: <d4392742-be9b-407f-ae54-ce92134ee033@htcnet.org>
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Are you running copper stranded secondary ignition wires by any chance?

On 9/12/2024 6:41 PM, John Vrugtman via Healeys wrote:
> OK I'll bring up an recent experience I've had.? Bought an electronic 
> dizzy for my 64 BJ8 and had a experienced shop install it because they 
> have a dyno to help choose one of the 16 curves available. The 
> technician called me up and said the unit shorted out right after 
> installation almost burning ignition wires.? BTW shop is 250 miles 
> from me.? Ordered another one to be shipped to the shop. They 
> installed it and set it for program number 9.? Picked up the car and 
> drove it towards home.? After about 50 miles on interstate it started 
> to cut out intermittently.? Was able to stop at a convenience store, 
> replaced the dizzy with the original, which worked fine and drove 
> home.? I think I'll leave it as it is for now.
>
> John
> 64 BJ8
> Hightown, VA

From bspidell at comcast.net  Thu Sep 12 22:10:51 2024
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 21:10:51 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?
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"... as long as the octane rating is high enough for the effective 
compression ratio of the engine in which it is being used higher octane 
rated fuel is of no benefit ..."

That's what I've always believed to be true and, as far as preventing 
detonation that is true. However, according to the video--and the guy 
knows his stuff and shows data--the /additive package/ can make a 
difference in engine /wear/ over time. According to the testing he cited 
ZDDP gets diluted and consumed in the combustion chamber (ZDDP, of 
course, is the stuff we rely on to protect our flat cam/lifter engines). 
In Europe, apparently, you can choose fuels with the same octane rating 
but better/higher additive packages (presumably, the latter costs 
more--can any European listers verify this? Kees?). In the US, again 
apparently, you will only get the better additive package in 'premium' 
higher-octane fuel; Shell even claims as much (all fuel sold in the US 
and, presumably, Canada, has to have a minimum level of detergents, to 
prevent greater emissions from 'dirty' engines). This is all news to me; 
now he needs to do an analysis on the various additive packages to see 
who has the best additive package (some Mustang owners swear by Shell). 
Historically, the gas companies have always bragged-on the detergent 
qualities of their fuels, there may be even more to it if they have 
'friction modifiers' that can reduce wear.

The required octane rating gets muddied in modern, VVT engines. The Gen 
3 Coyote engine in my Mustang is rated at 475HP with 91-octane fuel, and 
480HP with 93-octane. I mixed-in some 100-octane racing gas to achieve 
93-octane, but you can't really feel 5HP with your butt dyno. This 
engine will run, albeit poorly I suspect, on regular by changing valve 
timing to dynamically reduce its nominal 12:1 compression. The Coyote 
has both direct and sequential port injection, I suspect their mapping 
can be changed to accommodate differing fuels as well. OTOH, a friend of 
mine had one of the original Ford Taurus SHOs with the Yamaha V-6. It 
was designed for regular (87-octane) fuel and could develop problems if 
you ran higher octane fuel in it. Lower octane fuel is more 'explosive' 
than higher octane, which deflagrates--i.e. burns--more slowly (still 
pretty fast though). The SHOs could suffer deposit issues due to the 
slower-burning premium fuels.

So, technically, if this guy's claims are true, the statement is 
incorrect, at least WRT engine wear properties. As for detonation 
resistance, performance, mileage and emissions the statement /is/ true. 
As for aircraft engines, you can't really have too high an octane rating 
as, if fueled or operated incorrectly detonation can be severe and 
destroy an engine in just a few seconds and, if the destruction is 
violent enough it can shake the engine off its mounts and/or detach the 
prop (no fun). The highest-octane aircraft fuel I've ever heard of, but 
not seen, is 110 (I think 120 existed at one time). It's loaded with 
TEL, and will quickly foul the plugs in lower compression engines. The 
search is on for a lead-free fuel for aircraft engines--it would have to 
be 95-octane or better--but, so far, no one's willing to fly behind it 
(the AOPA does have a twin running the lead-free in one engine, and it 
appears to work OK, but the engine manufacturers--Continental and 
Lycoming--threaten to void the warranties if it's used in their engines).



On 9/12/2024 4:57 PM, Michael Salter wrote:
> Question for Bob. Through my aircraft engines training and experience 
> and many years in the automotive industry I have learned that "octane" 
> is only one of many properties of gasoline which have affects on 
> engine performance.? Octane is a measure of fuel's resistance to pre 
> ignition and has been grossly over sold to the unknowing public as 
> "the" measure of the quality of fuel. There are many other properties 
> of gasoline which can profoundly affect the performance of gasoline 
> but these are seldom mentioned.
> As I understand it as long as the octane rating is high enough for the 
> effective compression ratio of the engine in which it is being used 
> higher octane rated fuel is of no benefit. Is that a correct statement?
>
> On Thu., Sep. 12, 2024, 7:36 p.m. Michael Oritt, 
> <michael.oritt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Bob--
>
>     I live in MD where both 93 octane gasohol?and alcohol-free fuels
>     are available.? Aside from some gasoline-powered garden tools for
>     which I bought the long-lasting stuff they sell by the gallon I
>     have always used pump gas.
>     My 2007 Tundra was great in that it would run on 87 whereas
>     my?Audi A4 requires 92--which works out to 93.
>     As for the Healey I always use 93 gasohol though I think?I am
>     wasting money and could probably get by with 91.
>     As for my Ginetta G4 (Ford Kent?precrossflow) and Elva MK IV
>     (Coventry Climax FWB) race cars I buy unleaded high octane (110)
>     at the track and pay whatever I must in order to play..
>
>     Best--Michael Oritt
>
>     On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 12:16?PM Bob Spidell via Healeys
>     <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>         OK, I'll get the ball rolling.
>
>         I have a background in chemistry, and have always been
>         interested in stuff chemical, including motor oil and fuel.
>         This is, to me, an interesting take I hadn't given a thought
>         to before. I've always run premium in my Healeys, Lincoln
>         (required) and Mustangs (of course) and my two-strokes*
>         (chainsaws, blower, trimmers), but have made do with
>         regular--mostly Costco--in my other equipment (Ranger,
>         tractors, mower, edger, quad, squirrel gasser, Gator). My
>         engine builder told me the engines he sees in the best shape
>         have been run exclusively on Chevron premium, so the Mustang
>         and Healeys get that whenever possible, the Lincoln and
>         two-strokes get Costco 91; everything else gets Costco 87
>         (note Costco gas claims to be 'Top Tier').
>
>         * My Stihl 4-stroke string trimmer specs 89-octane, but Costco
>         only has 87/91 so the 2-stroke mix gets 91.
>
>         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAmEGI7xvBw
>
>
>         On 9/12/2024 7:27 AM, Steven Kingsbury via Healeys wrote:
>>         It's just been very quiet on the list lately. Seems to be
>>         less busy, I guess everyone's cars are all running just fine! Ha!
>>         Cheers!
>>         Steven Kingsbury
>>         BN1
>>
>>>         On Sep 12, 2024, at 12:15 AM, Alan Seigrist
>>>         <healey.nut at gmail.com> <mailto:healey.nut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>         Hi Bruce - I see you.? did you check your junk folder?
>>>
>>>         Alan
>>>
>>>         On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 12:13?PM healeybruce--- via Healeys
>>>         <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>             I?ve not been receiving emails for several weeks.
>>>
>>>
>>>             Bruce Steele
>>>
>>>             1960 BN7
>>>
>>>
>>>
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That is completely consistent with my understanding Mike,

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Salter
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2024 7:57 PM
To: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Test--is the list down?

 

Question for Bob. Through my aircraft engines training and experience and many years in the automotive industry I have learned that "octane" is only one of many properties of gasoline which have affects on engine performance.  Octane is a measure of fuel's resistance to pre ignition and has been grossly over sold to the unknowing public as "the" measure of the quality of fuel. There are many other properties of gasoline which can profoundly affect the performance of gasoline but these are seldom mentioned. 

As I understand it as long as the octane rating is high enough for the effective compression ratio of the engine in which it is being used higher octane rated fuel is of no benefit. Is that a correct statement?

 

On Thu., Sep. 12, 2024, 7:36 p.m. Michael Oritt, <michael.oritt at gmail.com <mailto:michael.oritt at gmail.com> > wrote:

Bob--

 

I live in MD where both 93 octane gasohol and alcohol-free fuels are available.  Aside from some gasoline-powered garden tools for which I bought the long-lasting stuff they sell by the gallon I have always used pump gas.  

My 2007 Tundra was great in that it would run on 87 whereas my Audi A4 requires 92--which works out to 93.  

As for the Healey I always use 93 gasohol though I think I am wasting money and could probably get by with 91.

As for my Ginetta G4 (Ford Kent precrossflow) and Elva MK IV (Coventry Climax FWB) race cars I buy unleaded high octane (110) at the track and pay whatever I must in order to play..

 

Best--Michael Oritt

 

On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 12:16?PM Bob Spidell via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote:

OK, I'll get the ball rolling.

I have a background in chemistry, and have always been interested in stuff chemical, including motor oil and fuel. This is, to me, an interesting take I hadn't given a thought to before. I've always run premium in my Healeys, Lincoln (required) and Mustangs (of course) and my two-strokes* (chainsaws, blower, trimmers), but have made do with regular--mostly Costco--in my other equipment (Ranger, tractors, mower, edger, quad, squirrel gasser, Gator). My engine builder told me the engines he sees in the best shape have been run exclusively on Chevron premium, so the Mustang and Healeys get that whenever possible, the Lincoln and two-strokes get Costco 91; everything else gets Costco 87 (note Costco gas claims to be 'Top Tier'). 

* My Stihl 4-stroke string trimmer specs 89-octane, but Costco only has 87/91 so the 2-stroke mix gets 91.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAmEGI7xvBw



On 9/12/2024 7:27 AM, Steven Kingsbury via Healeys wrote:

It's just been very quiet on the list lately. Seems to be less busy, I guess everyone's cars are all running just fine! Ha!

Cheers!

Steven Kingsbury

BN1 

 

On Sep 12, 2024, at 12:15 AM, Alan Seigrist  <mailto:healey.nut at gmail.com> <healey.nut at gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

Hi Bruce - I see you.  did you check your junk folder?

 

Alan

 

On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 12:13?PM healeybruce--- via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote:

I?ve not been receiving emails for several weeks.

 

Bruce Steele

1960 BN7

 

 

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From gmandas at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 16 13:18:20 2024
From: gmandas at yahoo.com (Greg Mandas)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:18:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Club participation
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Hi All,
I'd like to hear from those who do/don't belong to the Austin Healey Club of America (AHCA) and from those who do, do you/don't you participate in club events and why/why not.?
Thanks?
Greg MandasAHCA - New England Region?
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From gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 16 13:47:13 2024
From: gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com (Richard Collins)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:47:13 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Club participation
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I belong to the club and receive the Magazine and even had an article with pictures published by Gary Anderson years ago. I drive with a local Euro car Club and I believe maybe 5-6 other local Healey guys sometimes show up once or twice a year. Most have other marques as I do (Jags, Porsches, Benz, Aston, Ferrari, Lambo, Vettes, Triumph, MG, etc.) but the Healey centered clubs near me are either in Nashville or Louisville, a bit of a trip from Bowling Green.

I tend to be a track rat so am most active with the Porsche Club and run here at the Corvette Track where I also instruct. In 10 years since the track was built, rarely do you see any vintage cars, much less Healeys on it. I did a few Track X's several years ago with the Healey but couldn't develop any interest with other vintage Healey guys. SCCA, SVRA and HSR do race actual race cars but mine while maybe has some original history of track time in the '60's on the west coast, is a driver lacking a roll bar or cage, etc.  I do participate in local cars and Coffee and car shows on occasion as well as country drives.

Regards,
Richard C
BN7 440
Bowling Green, KY
________________________________
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Greg Mandas via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 12:18 PM
To: healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Club participation

Hi All,

I'd like to hear from those who do/don't belong to the Austin Healey Club of America (AHCA) and from those who do, do you/don't you participate in club events and why/why not.

Thanks

Greg Mandas
AHCA - New England Region
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From gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 16 16:55:07 2024
From: gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com (Richard Collins)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:55:07 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Club participation
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Hi Jim,
From some paperwork I found with mine, I may be the third owner; I have seen or heard of other numbers close to both of ours.
Mine (and yours ?) may have been shipped as one of the first  big Healey BN7?s of a lot of 10 built in 1959 (titled in 1960) to San Francisco as a racer on road courses in the area.  But I have not found definitive proof of that.
I bought it out of an estate sale in Los Altos in process of restoration maybe 20 years ago. I lived nearby at the time and went to look at it with Gary. He had a newer BN7 at the time. Both previous owners are deceased but I sense the first owner did race it. Got it home to Kentucky, did some basic maintenance and it fired right up after at least 15 years in a barn.
My heritage certificate is not too close to my current car beyond VIN number. I have a top shifter, not side shifter (sold it), Wires not steel wheels, Fiberglass wings, not steel, originally Colorado Red, now English Ivory, engine upgraded to Iskiderian Cam and overbored 3 thousandths.
Love the car as I have some high school Healey history being a Captain on a 36? fishing boat in South Florida called : ?BMC?, yep, Donald and Geoff came there occasionally to visit the distributorship owned by Ed Bussey and I believe Frank Parker.
Regards,
Richard C


On Sep 16, 2024, at 15:27, jvwojcik at comcast.net wrote:

?
Hi Richard. I used to have BN7 434. A nice vintage for sure. Jim

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Richard Collins
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 2:47 PM
To: healeys at autox.team.net; Greg Mandas <gmandas at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Club participation

I belong to the club and receive the Magazine and even had an article with pictures published by Gary Anderson years ago. I drive with a local Euro car Club and I believe maybe 5-6 other local Healey guys sometimes show up once or twice a year. Most have other marques as I do (Jags, Porsches, Benz, Aston, Ferrari, Lambo, Vettes, Triumph, MG, etc.) but the Healey centered clubs near me are either in Nashville or Louisville, a bit of a trip from Bowling Green.

I tend to be a track rat so am most active with the Porsche Club and run here at the Corvette Track where I also instruct. In 10 years since the track was built, rarely do you see any vintage cars, much less Healeys on it. I did a few Track X's several years ago with the Healey but couldn't develop any interest with other vintage Healey guys. SCCA, SVRA and HSR do race actual race cars but mine while maybe has some original history of track time in the '60's on the west coast, is a driver lacking a roll bar or cage, etc.  I do participate in local cars and Coffee and car shows on occasion as well as country drives.

Regards,
Richard C
BN7 440
Bowling Green, KY
________________________________
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net>> on behalf of Greg Mandas via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>>
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Subject: [Healeys] Club participation

Hi All,

I'd like to hear from those who do/don't belong to the Austin Healey Club of America (AHCA) and from those who do, do you/don't you participate in club events and why/why not.

Thanks

Greg Mandas
AHCA - New England Region
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From gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 18 19:18:27 2024
From: gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com (Richard Collins)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2024 01:18:27 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] BN7s are best
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Bottom fished for Yellow tail snappers and groupers off West End Grand Bahama. Bought my first car at 15 for cash from fishing. Life was and still is good.
Regards,
Richard C


> On Sep 18, 2024, at 20:09, jvwojcik at comcast.net wrote:
> 
> ?Two great cruisers, Richard. Bet you caught a lot of great fish on BMC.
> 
> 
> From: Richard Collins <gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2024 5:56 PM
> To: jvwojcik at comcast.net; 'Robert Markovich' <rmarkovich at aol.com>
> Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: BN7s are best
> 
> Here is a shot of my BN7 and an old shot of the "BMC" that I had Don and Geoff on a few times back in the early 60's
> 
> Regards,
> Richard C
> ________________________________
> From: jvwojcik at comcast.net<mailto:jvwojcik at comcast.net> <jvwojcik at comcast.net<mailto:jvwojcik at comcast.net>>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 12:53 PM
> To: 'Robert Markovich' <rmarkovich at aol.com<mailto:rmarkovich at aol.com>>; 'Richard Collins' <gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com<mailto:gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com>>
> Cc: healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>>
> Subject: BN7s are best
> 
> 
> That is just beautiful, Robert. Yes, I too had those reflectors and that horn button flash. However, as I am prone to doing dumb stuff, I laid a trouble light near the horn button and wrecked it.
> 
> 
> 
> Many prefer the vertical grills of later cars but to me the horizontal grills are perfect.
> 
> 
> 
> I was a member of the AHCA and Pacific Centre, and of course the Minnesota club.
> 
> 
> 
> I?m sorry, I didn?t copy you with the photos I sent to Richard, so I will add them here plus one more, the way I changed the dash on mine. As you guys see, as the car was a bit rough when I started, I was prone to certain changes on the car, seeking to make it a Brit period-hot rod. But no V-8 stuff.
> 
> 
> 
> From: Robert Markovich <rmarkovich at aol.com<mailto:rmarkovich at aol.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 12:38 PM
> To: Richard Collins <gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com<mailto:gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com>>; jvwojcik at comcast.net<mailto:jvwojcik at comcast.net>
> Cc: healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Club participation
> 
> 
> 
> My ?60 BN7 was built at the very end of 1959. Yet it has the conical rear reflectors found almost exclusively on the 100/6 as well as a 100/6 horn-button flash befitting early examples. Mine has 23,000 original miles as it sat for many years, though I?m adding to that steadily after going through the brakes, lines, rubber parts, motor mounts, fuel system, and other stuff any Healey owner should since I found the car last November. It?s my third Healey in 24 years after a BN6 and early BN1. I prefer the AHCA over the AHCUSA, good as that is, mostly because it?s more of an East Coast club, though I?m also a member of my local, Brits of the Hudson club to add to my roster of events. More major AHCA events in the NY/CT/NJ/PA area would be welcome; am glad to drive a couple of hours or more for a chance to take part. These cars are meant to be driven, not trailered. Great club overall with a wonderful multimedia magazine and useful tech tips. Am also active on the forums.
> [Inline image]
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> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, September 16, 2024, 7:10 PM, Richard Collins via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> From some paperwork I found with mine, I may be the third owner; I have seen or heard of other numbers close to both of ours.
> 
> Mine (and yours ?) may have been shipped as one of the first  big Healey BN7?s of a lot of 10 built in 1959 (titled in 1960) to San Francisco as a racer on road courses in the area.  But I have not found definitive proof of that.
> 
> I bought it out of an estate sale in Los Altos in process of restoration maybe 20 years ago. I lived nearby at the time and went to look at it with Gary. He had a newer BN7 at the time. Both previous owners are deceased but I sense the first owner did race it. Got it home to Kentucky, did some basic maintenance and it fired right up after at least 15 years in a barn.
> 
> My heritage certificate is not too close to my current car beyond VIN number. I have a top shifter, not side shifter (sold it), Wires not steel wheels, Fiberglass wings, not steel, originally Colorado Red, now English Ivory, engine upgraded to Iskiderian Cam and overbored 3 thousandths.
> 
> Love the car as I have some high school Healey history being a Captain on a 36? fishing boat in South Florida called : ?BMC?, yep, Donald and Geoff came there occasionally to visit the distributorship owned by Ed Bussey and I believe Frank Parker.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Richard C
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 16, 2024, at 15:27, jvwojcik at comcast.net<mailto:jvwojcik at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> Hi Richard. I used to have BN7 434. A nice vintage for sure. Jim
> 
> 
> 
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Richard Collins
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 2:47 PM
> To: healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>; Greg Mandas <gmandas at yahoo.com<mailto:gmandas at yahoo.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Club participation
> 
> 
> 
> I belong to the club and receive the Magazine and even had an article with pictures published by Gary Anderson years ago. I drive with a local Euro car Club and I believe maybe 5-6 other local Healey guys sometimes show up once or twice a year. Most have other marques as I do (Jags, Porsches, Benz, Aston, Ferrari, Lambo, Vettes, Triumph, MG, etc.) but the Healey centered clubs near me are either in Nashville or Louisville, a bit of a trip from Bowling Green.
> 
> 
> 
> I tend to be a track rat so am most active with the Porsche Club and run here at the Corvette Track where I also instruct. In 10 years since the track was built, rarely do you see any vintage cars, much less Healeys on it. I did a few Track X's several years ago with the Healey but couldn't develop any interest with other vintage Healey guys. SCCA, SVRA and HSR do race actual race cars but mine while maybe has some original history of track time in the '60's on the west coast, is a driver lacking a roll bar or cage, etc.  I do participate in local cars and Coffee and car shows on occasion as well as country drives.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Richard C
> 
> BN7 440
> 
> Bowling Green, KY
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net>> on behalf of Greg Mandas via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>>
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 12:18 PM
> To: healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>>
> Subject: [Healeys] Club participation
> 
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> 
> 
> I'd like to hear from those who do/don't belong to the Austin Healey Club of America (AHCA) and from those who do, do you/don't you participate in club events and why/why not.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> Greg Mandas
> 
> AHCA - New England Region
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Wed Sep 18 21:32:54 2024
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:32:54 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Downpipes
Message-ID: <3c53cee2-49eb-4117-8f47-876a68319f89@comcast.net>

Listers,

The exhaust downpipes for both 4- and 6-cyl cars have a section of 
flexible tubing before the connection to the muffler. I've always 
assumed this was to allow for the rocking of the engine, and the fact 
the system is affixed with fairly rigid hangers (at least, until the 
rubber part disintegrates). I've also heard the flexpipe is to allow 
easier fitment from the downpipe to the muffler, which won't necessarily 
be perfectly aligned. Of course, both reasons could be true.

I'm asking the knowledge-based, LLM model List because I'm considering 
an aftermarket header from AH Spares for my BN2/100M. The repop down 
pipe I have now is malformed, and the clutch pedal arm comes in contact 
with it at full clutch pedal, and I've heard this is common in the 
repops (yes, I could just bash the downpipe, but that would be tacky and 
sometimes that can cause a ticking noise, which would annoy me even 
more). But, the AHS pipe doesn't have the section of flexpipe so I'm 
wondering if it's really needed. I have a TIG and I'm not terrible with 
it, but the header and, presumably the flex tubing are SS, which I'm not 
practiced in welding.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Bob

From rmarkovich at aol.com  Thu Sep 19 05:55:27 2024
From: rmarkovich at aol.com (Robert Markovich)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2024 11:55:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Downpipes
In-Reply-To: <3c53cee2-49eb-4117-8f47-876a68319f89@comcast.net>
References: <3c53cee2-49eb-4117-8f47-876a68319f89@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <988775910.10036923.1726746927564@mail.yahoo.com>

Try Ah Spares for the down pipe, which is mostly to accommodate engine rocking without the exhaust system cracking. You can also bring the car to a good muffler shop that does custom fabricating and have them weld in a section of woven stainless flex pipe like the kind used on todays cars for the same reason. Had that on two Healeys so far and it?s muc?more robust than the standard flex pipe.?


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On Wednesday, September 18, 2024, 11:45 PM, Bob Spidell via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

Listers,

The exhaust downpipes for both 4- and 6-cyl cars have a section of 
flexible tubing before the connection to the muffler. I've always 
assumed this was to allow for the rocking of the engine, and the fact 
the system is affixed with fairly rigid hangers (at least, until the 
rubber part disintegrates). I've also heard the flexpipe is to allow 
easier fitment from the downpipe to the muffler, which won't necessarily 
be perfectly aligned. Of course, both reasons could be true.

I'm asking the knowledge-based, LLM model List because I'm considering 
an aftermarket header from AH Spares for my BN2/100M. The repop down 
pipe I have now is malformed, and the clutch pedal arm comes in contact 
with it at full clutch pedal, and I've heard this is common in the 
repops (yes, I could just bash the downpipe, but that would be tacky and 
sometimes that can cause a ticking noise, which would annoy me even 
more). But, the AHS pipe doesn't have the section of flexpipe so I'm 
wondering if it's really needed. I have a TIG and I'm not terrible with 
it, but the header and, presumably the flex tubing are SS, which I'm not 
practiced in welding.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Bob
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Thu Sep 19 08:52:55 2024
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2024 07:52:55 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Downpipes
In-Reply-To: <988775910.10036923.1726746927564@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <988775910.10036923.1726746927564@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <effd4a8c-ffc5-4b2e-9da2-a37b39ebbfd3@comcast.net>

Good idea. Thanks.

The header is from AH Spares--originally from Cape Sports--anyone have 
any experience with it?

bs

On 9/19/2024 4:55 AM, Robert Markovich wrote:
> Try Ah Spares for the down pipe, which is mostly to accommodate engine 
> rocking without the exhaust system cracking. You can also bring the 
> car to a good muffler shop that does custom fabricating and have them 
> weld in a section of woven stainless flex pipe like the kind used on 
> todays cars for the same reason. Had that on two Healeys so far and 
> it?s muc?more robust than the standard flex pipe.
>
>
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS 
> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661>
>
> On Wednesday, September 18, 2024, 11:45 PM, Bob Spidell via Healeys 
> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>     Listers,
>
>     The exhaust downpipes for both 4- and 6-cyl cars have a section of
>     flexible tubing before the connection to the muffler. I've always
>     assumed this was to allow for the rocking of the engine, and the fact
>     the system is affixed with fairly rigid hangers (at least, until the
>     rubber part disintegrates). I've also heard the flexpipe is to allow
>     easier fitment from the downpipe to the muffler, which won't
>     necessarily
>     be perfectly aligned. Of course, both reasons could be true.
>
>     I'm asking the knowledge-based, LLM model List because I'm
>     considering
>     an aftermarket header from AH Spares for my BN2/100M. The repop down
>     pipe I have now is malformed, and the clutch pedal arm comes in
>     contact
>     with it at full clutch pedal, and I've heard this is common in the
>     repops (yes, I could just bash the downpipe, but that would be
>     tacky and
>     sometimes that can cause a ticking noise, which would annoy me even
>     more). But, the AHS pipe doesn't have the section of flexpipe so I'm
>     wondering if it's really needed. I have a TIG and I'm not terrible
>     with
>     it, but the header and, presumably the flex tubing are SS, which
>     I'm not
>     practiced in welding.
>
>     Thanks for any suggestions.
>
>     Bob
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Thu Sep 19 09:50:14 2024
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2024 10:50:14 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Downpipes
In-Reply-To: <3c53cee2-49eb-4117-8f47-876a68319f89@comcast.net>
References: <3c53cee2-49eb-4117-8f47-876a68319f89@comcast.net>
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Hi Bob, after searching in vain for a company in NA I finally found a
company in Christchurch New Zealand who were able to bend some 2" exhaust
tube to exactly the correct shape based on the original drawings of which I
have a copy. To that pipe I TIG welded a new flange, which I had flame cut,
and a section of flex pipe of the correct type but made from
stainless steel. The whole process was a little expensive but this has been
on my BN1 for 10 years and many thousands of miles.
I had the need to remove it this summer and the flex is as flexible as it
was when installed and serving its purpose admirably and the mild steel
tubing has still got some of the high temperature paint on it.
I'm not a brilliant welder but I certainly managed to produce a very
satisfactory weld.

M


On Wed., Sep. 18, 2024, 10:36 p.m. Bob Spidell via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> The exhaust downpipes for both 4- and 6-cyl cars have a section of
> flexible tubing before the connection to the muffler. I've always
> assumed this was to allow for the rocking of the engine, and the fact
> the system is affixed with fairly rigid hangers (at least, until the
> rubber part disintegrates). I've also heard the flexpipe is to allow
> easier fitment from the downpipe to the muffler, which won't necessarily
> be perfectly aligned. Of course, both reasons could be true.
>
> I'm asking the knowledge-based, LLM model List because I'm considering
> an aftermarket header from AH Spares for my BN2/100M. The repop down
> pipe I have now is malformed, and the clutch pedal arm comes in contact
> with it at full clutch pedal, and I've heard this is common in the
> repops (yes, I could just bash the downpipe, but that would be tacky and
> sometimes that can cause a ticking noise, which would annoy me even
> more). But, the AHS pipe doesn't have the section of flexpipe so I'm
> wondering if it's really needed. I have a TIG and I'm not terrible with
> it, but the header and, presumably the flex tubing are SS, which I'm not
> practiced in welding.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.
>
> Bob
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Thu Sep 19 10:01:29 2024
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2024 09:01:29 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Downpipes
In-Reply-To: <CAB3i7LKfE2A_a00aVsn-43iTuo1OYt_vQwEuzOpWRmFeDffOeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3c53cee2-49eb-4117-8f47-876a68319f89@comcast.net>
 <CAB3i7LKfE2A_a00aVsn-43iTuo1OYt_vQwEuzOpWRmFeDffOeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4895605f-d7ab-4543-adde-407d2e72f6e7@comcast.net>

Thanks, Michael.

Sounds like you have an 'oversized' exhaust; I think the original system 
is 1.75" (that's what AHS says theirs is). I'd hope a header would give 
a couple more HP.

Bob

On 9/19/2024 8:50 AM, Michael Salter wrote:
> Hi Bob, after searching in vain for a company in NA I finally found a 
> company in Christchurch New Zealand who were able to bend some 2" 
> exhaust tube to exactly the correct shape based on the original 
> drawings of which I have a copy. To that pipe I TIG welded a new 
> flange, which I had flame cut, and a section of flex pipe of the 
> correct type but made from stainless?steel. The whole process was a 
> little expensive but this has been on my BN1 for 10 years and many 
> thousands of miles.
> I had the need to remove it this summer and the flex is as flexible as 
> it was when installed and serving its purpose admirably and the mild 
> steel tubing has still got some of the high temperature paint on it.
> I'm not a brilliant welder but I certainly managed to produce a very 
> satisfactory weld.
>
> M
>
>
> On Wed., Sep. 18, 2024, 10:36 p.m. Bob Spidell via Healeys, 
> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>     Listers,
>
>     The exhaust downpipes for both 4- and 6-cyl cars have a section of
>     flexible tubing before the connection to the muffler. I've always
>     assumed this was to allow for the rocking of the engine, and the fact
>     the system is affixed with fairly rigid hangers (at least, until the
>     rubber part disintegrates). I've also heard the flexpipe is to allow
>     easier fitment from the downpipe to the muffler, which won't
>     necessarily
>     be perfectly aligned. Of course, both reasons could be true.
>
>     I'm asking the knowledge-based, LLM model List because I'm
>     considering
>     an aftermarket header from AH Spares for my BN2/100M. The repop down
>     pipe I have now is malformed, and the clutch pedal arm comes in
>     contact
>     with it at full clutch pedal, and I've heard this is common in the
>     repops (yes, I could just bash the downpipe, but that would be
>     tacky and
>     sometimes that can cause a ticking noise, which would annoy me even
>     more). But, the AHS pipe doesn't have the section of flexpipe so I'm
>     wondering if it's really needed. I have a TIG and I'm not terrible
>     with
>     it, but the header and, presumably the flex tubing are SS, which
>     I'm not
>     practiced in welding.
>
>     Thanks for any suggestions.
>
>     Bob
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Thu Sep 19 10:58:45 2024
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2024 11:58:45 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Downpipes
In-Reply-To: <4895605f-d7ab-4543-adde-407d2e72f6e7@comcast.net>
References: <3c53cee2-49eb-4117-8f47-876a68319f89@comcast.net>
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I'm at Conclave Bob and going from memory (which isn't what it used to be).
The downpipe I made is for a 100 and is the original diameter.
I  seem to recall that they were 2" for the 100 and 1.75 for the 6 cylinder
cars but could be wrong.

M


On Thu., Sep. 19, 2024, 11:02 a.m. Bob Spidell, <bspidell at comcast.net>
wrote:

> Thanks, Michael.
>
> Sounds like you have an 'oversized' exhaust; I think the original system
> is 1.75" (that's what AHS says theirs is). I'd hope a header would give a
> couple more HP.
>
> Bob
>
> On 9/19/2024 8:50 AM, Michael Salter wrote:
>
> Hi Bob, after searching in vain for a company in NA I finally found a
> company in Christchurch New Zealand who were able to bend some 2" exhaust
> tube to exactly the correct shape based on the original drawings of which I
> have a copy. To that pipe I TIG welded a new flange, which I had flame cut,
> and a section of flex pipe of the correct type but made from
> stainless steel. The whole process was a little expensive but this has been
> on my BN1 for 10 years and many thousands of miles.
> I had the need to remove it this summer and the flex is as flexible as it
> was when installed and serving its purpose admirably and the mild steel
> tubing has still got some of the high temperature paint on it.
> I'm not a brilliant welder but I certainly managed to produce a very
> satisfactory weld.
>
> M
>
>
> On Wed., Sep. 18, 2024, 10:36 p.m. Bob Spidell via Healeys, <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Listers,
>>
>> The exhaust downpipes for both 4- and 6-cyl cars have a section of
>> flexible tubing before the connection to the muffler. I've always
>> assumed this was to allow for the rocking of the engine, and the fact
>> the system is affixed with fairly rigid hangers (at least, until the
>> rubber part disintegrates). I've also heard the flexpipe is to allow
>> easier fitment from the downpipe to the muffler, which won't necessarily
>> be perfectly aligned. Of course, both reasons could be true.
>>
>> I'm asking the knowledge-based, LLM model List because I'm considering
>> an aftermarket header from AH Spares for my BN2/100M. The repop down
>> pipe I have now is malformed, and the clutch pedal arm comes in contact
>> with it at full clutch pedal, and I've heard this is common in the
>> repops (yes, I could just bash the downpipe, but that would be tacky and
>> sometimes that can cause a ticking noise, which would annoy me even
>> more). But, the AHS pipe doesn't have the section of flexpipe so I'm
>> wondering if it's really needed. I have a TIG and I'm not terrible with
>> it, but the header and, presumably the flex tubing are SS, which I'm not
>> practiced in welding.
>>
>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>>
>> Bob
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From s.hutchings at rogers.com  Thu Sep 19 11:22:23 2024
From: s.hutchings at rogers.com (s.hutchings)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2024 18:22:23 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] Downpipes
In-Reply-To: <CAB3i7LKfE2A_a00aVsn-43iTuo1OYt_vQwEuzOpWRmFeDffOeQ@mail.gmail.com>
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My comment on this is that I've gone through 3 sets of flex pipe (AH spares) that all leaked like a sieve.? I too thought that the flex pipe allowed for some movement between the engine and transmission, but I talked to the Rawles people when I was at Goodwood about this, and they have a system without flex pipe, and claim they have no problem with it. Good for them.For me, in the end I found a solution to fix the flex pipe, but it was a lot of work!I'd recommend you pressure test the components before installing anything.Stephen,? BJ8Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com> Date: 2024-09-19  4:56 PM  (GMT+00:00) To: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> Cc: Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Downpipes Hi Bob, after searching in vain for a company in NA I finally found a company in Christchurch New Zealand who were able to bend some 2" exhaust tube to exactly the correct shape based on the original drawings of which I have a copy. To that pipe I TIG welded a new flange, which I had flame cut, and a section of flex pipe of the correct type but made from? stainless?steel. The whole process was a little expensive but this has been on my BN1 for 10 years and many thousands of miles.?I had the need to remove it this summer and the flex is as flexible as it was when installed and serving its purpose admirably and the mild steel tubing has still got some of the high temperature paint on it.I'm not a brilliant welder but I certainly managed to produce a very satisfactory weld.?MOn Wed., Sep. 18, 2024, 10:36 p.m. Bob Spidell via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:Listers,

The exhaust downpipes for both 4- and 6-cyl cars have a section of 
flexible tubing before the connection to the muffler. I've always 
assumed this was to allow for the rocking of the engine, and the fact 
the system is affixed with fairly rigid hangers (at least, until the 
rubber part disintegrates). I've also heard the flexpipe is to allow 
easier fitment from the downpipe to the muffler, which won't necessarily 
be perfectly aligned. Of course, both reasons could be true.

I'm asking the knowledge-based, LLM model List because I'm considering 
an aftermarket header from AH Spares for my BN2/100M. The repop down 
pipe I have now is malformed, and the clutch pedal arm comes in contact 
with it at full clutch pedal, and I've heard this is common in the 
repops (yes, I could just bash the downpipe, but that would be tacky and 
sometimes that can cause a ticking noise, which would annoy me even 
more). But, the AHS pipe doesn't have the section of flexpipe so I'm 
wondering if it's really needed. I have a TIG and I'm not terrible with 
it, but the header and, presumably the flex tubing are SS, which I'm not 
practiced in welding.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Bob
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From alanwassermannc at gmail.com  Thu Sep 19 12:47:43 2024
From: alanwassermannc at gmail.com (Alan Wasserman)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2024 13:47:43 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] break servo
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Does anyone have, or can direct me to where I can find a brake servo for my ?66 bj8?  Thanks

Alan Wasserman
Alanwassermannc at gmail.com
732-887-0742
www.wassermanstudio.com

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From alanwassermannc at gmail.com  Thu Sep 19 12:49:54 2024
From: alanwassermannc at gmail.com (Alan Wasserman)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2024 13:49:54 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Brake servo
Message-ID: <83AE728C-B691-40D0-92BB-48A9E1644E90@gmail.com>

Does anyone have or can direct me to purchase a brake servo for my ?66 bj8?  Thanks

Alan Wasserman
Alanwassermannc at gmail.com
732-887-0742
www.wassermanstudio.com

From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com  Thu Sep 19 15:42:49 2024
From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (Simon Lachlan)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2024 22:42:49 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] Brake servo
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Well, as you know, they came with Girling units. I had one in my BT7 MkII, rare for those models. Anyhow, it was disconnected when I bought the car so I had to rebuild it with a kit. That lasted about 10 years then one of the "new" parts proved to be soluble in brake fluid and disintegrated. That nearly ended in tears. Another kit, from a hopefully more reliable source, but I never trusted it. So.......it was my feeling that, if I couldn't fix a Girling, then any second hand Girling out there would be unreliable. I elected to replace it before it let me down again.
Seems that the two most usual substitutes are Lockheed or PBR, the latter being Australian. I'd heard much better reports for the PBR so I looked out for one of them. They are very rare, if sold at all, in the UK. Anyhow, someone imported a BJ8 back here from the US and found a spare new PBR in the boot (trunk!). I bought that for a song and fitted it. Easy fit with the supplied brackets. Works well. I like it. Their model code, for my BT7 at least, is VH40. I checked that with PBR.
Simon

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 19 September 2024 19:50
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: [Healeys] Brake servo

Does anyone have or can direct me to purchase a brake servo for my ?66 bj8?  Thanks

Alan Wasserman
Alanwassermannc at gmail.com
732-887-0742
www.wassermanstudio.com
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From healey.nut at gmail.com  Thu Sep 19 18:33:27 2024
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2024 08:33:27 +0800
Subject: [Healeys] Brake servo
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I have used both.  The PBR is a far superior unit to the Lockheed.  The
Lockheed's pressure valve sits at the bottom of the unit and when it gets
wet it can corrode.. making the unit inoperable.  I have no idea why they
don't put a SS sleeve in there, then there would not be a problem

Anyway, I've had the PBR on my BJ8 for 30 years, and for various reasons
the car has sat for years from time to time.  Every time I start it up, the
booster works flawlessly.

You can order them on ebay, and direct from OZ



On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 5:57?AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Well, as you know, they came with Girling units. I had one in my BT7 MkII,
> rare for those models. Anyhow, it was disconnected when I bought the car so
> I had to rebuild it with a kit. That lasted about 10 years then one of the
> "new" parts proved to be soluble in brake fluid and disintegrated. That
> nearly ended in tears. Another kit, from a hopefully more reliable source,
> but I never trusted it. So.......it was my feeling that, if I couldn't fix
> a Girling, then any second hand Girling out there would be unreliable. I
> elected to replace it before it let me down again.
> Seems that the two most usual substitutes are Lockheed or PBR, the latter
> being Australian. I'd heard much better reports for the PBR so I looked out
> for one of them. They are very rare, if sold at all, in the UK. Anyhow,
> someone imported a BJ8 back here from the US and found a spare new PBR in
> the boot (trunk!). I bought that for a song and fitted it. Easy fit with
> the supplied brackets. Works well. I like it. Their model code, for my BT7
> at least, is VH40. I checked that with PBR.
> Simon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Alan Wasserman
> Sent: 19 September 2024 19:50
> To: healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Healeys] Brake servo
>
> Does anyone have or can direct me to purchase a brake servo for my ?66
> bj8?  Thanks
>
> Alan Wasserman
> Alanwassermannc at gmail.com
> 732-887-0742
> www.wassermanstudio.com
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From rosowski at tampabay.rr.com  Thu Sep 19 20:22:43 2024
From: rosowski at tampabay.rr.com (rosowski at tampabay.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2024 02:22:43 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Brake servo
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I purchased a PBR VH40 for my BJ8 from hemiperformance.com in
Australia several years ago. Their website shows that they offer a
similar (maybe same) product now listed from "Protex (formerly PBR)"
for AU$685.

	-----------------------------------------From: "Alan Seigrist" 
To: "Simon Lachlan"
Cc: "Alan Wasserman"
Sent: Thursday September 19 2024 8:50:26PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Brake servo

 I have used both. The PBR is a far superior unit to the Lockheed. The
Lockheed's pressure valve sits at the bottom of the unit and when it
gets wet it can corrode.. making the unit inoperable. I have no idea
why they don't put a SS sleeve in there, then there would not be a
problem

 Anyway, I've had the PBR on my BJ8 for 30 years, and for various
reasons the car has sat for years from time to time. Every time I
start it up, the booster works flawlessly. 
 You can order them on ebay, and direct from OZ 

 On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 5:57?AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys  wrote:
  Well, as you know, they came with Girling units. I had one in my BT7
MkII, rare for those models. Anyhow, it was disconnected when I bought
the car so I had to rebuild it with a kit. That lasted about 10 years
then one of the "new" parts proved to be soluble in brake fluid and
disintegrated. That nearly ended in tears. Another kit, from a
hopefully more reliable source, but I never trusted it. So.......it
was my feeling that, if I couldn't fix a Girling, then any second hand
Girling out there would be unreliable. I elected to replace it before
it let me down again.
 Seems that the two most usual substitutes are Lockheed or PBR, the
latter being Australian. I'd heard much better reports for the PBR so
I looked out for one of them. They are very rare, if sold at all, in
the UK. Anyhow, someone imported a BJ8 back here from the US and found
a spare new PBR in the boot (trunk!). I bought that for a song and
fitted it. Easy fit with the supplied brackets. Works well. I like it.
Their model code, for my BT7 at least, is VH40. I checked that with
PBR.
 Simon

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Healeys  On Behalf Of Alan Wasserman
 Sent: 19 September 2024 19:50
 To: healeys at autox.team.net
 Subject: [Healeys] Brake servo

 Does anyone have or can direct me to purchase a brake servo for my
?66 bj8? Thanks

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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Thu Sep 19 21:19:29 2024
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2024 22:19:29 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Brake servo
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We used to sell both the VH40 and VH44. The 44 has a slightly higher boost
ratio and works very well on a BJ8. They are available on Amazon.com
https://www.amazon.com/Booster-Mounting-Replacement-Fairlane-AKWH/dp/B0D499HJD3/ref=asc_df_B0D499HJD3/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=692875362841&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14660784689921927117&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9018758&hvtargid=pla-2281435177618&psc=1&mcid=6283e5624713369181ed1bec432bc31f&hvocijid=14660784689921927117-B0D499HJD3-&hvexpln=73

On Thu., Sep. 19, 2024, 9:27 p.m. Ron Osowski via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I purchased a PBR VH40 for my BJ8 from hemiperformance.com in Australia
> several years ago. Their website shows that they offer a similar (maybe
> same) product now listed from "Protex (formerly PBR)" for AU$685.
>
> -----------------------------------------
> From: "Alan Seigrist"
> To: "Simon Lachlan"
> Cc: "Alan Wasserman"
> Sent: Thursday September 19 2024 8:50:26PM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Brake servo
>
> I have used both.  The PBR is a far superior unit to the Lockheed.  The
> Lockheed's pressure valve sits at the bottom of the unit and when it gets
> wet it can corrode.. making the unit inoperable.  I have no idea why they
> don't put a SS sleeve in there, then there would not be a problem
>
> Anyway, I've had the PBR on my BJ8 for 30 years, and for various reasons
> the car has sat for years from time to time.  Every time I start it up, the
> booster works flawlessly.
>
> You can order them on ebay, and direct from OZ
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 5:57?AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Well, as you know, they came with Girling units. I had one in my BT7
>> MkII, rare for those models. Anyhow, it was disconnected when I bought the
>> car so I had to rebuild it with a kit. That lasted about 10 years then one
>> of the "new" parts proved to be soluble in brake fluid and disintegrated.
>> That nearly ended in tears. Another kit, from a hopefully more reliable
>> source, but I never trusted it. So.......it was my feeling that, if I
>> couldn't fix a Girling, then any second hand Girling out there would be
>> unreliable. I elected to replace it before it let me down again.
>> Seems that the two most usual substitutes are Lockheed or PBR, the latter
>> being Australian. I'd heard much better reports for the PBR so I looked out
>> for one of them. They are very rare, if sold at all, in the UK. Anyhow,
>> someone imported a BJ8 back here from the US and found a spare new PBR in
>> the boot (trunk!). I bought that for a song and fitted it. Easy fit with
>> the supplied brackets. Works well. I like it. Their model code, for my BT7
>> at least, is VH40. I checked that with PBR.
>> Simon
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Alan
>> Wasserman
>> Sent: 19 September 2024 19:50
>> To: healeys at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Healeys] Brake servo
>>
>> Does anyone have or can direct me to purchase a brake servo for my ?66
>> bj8?  Thanks
>>
>> Alan Wasserman
>> Alanwassermannc at gmail.com
>> 732-887-0742
>> www.wassermanstudio.com
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Thu Sep 19 21:20:55 2024
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2024 22:20:55 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] break servo
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https://www.amazon.com/Booster-Mounting-Replacement-Fairlane-AKWH/dp/B0D499HJD3/ref=asc_df_B0D499HJD3/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=692875362841&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14660784689921927117&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9018758&hvtargid=pla-2281435177618&psc=1&mcid=6283e5624713369181ed1bec432bc31f&hvocijid=14660784689921927117-B0D499HJD3-&hvexpln=73

On Thu., Sep. 19, 2024, 1:59 p.m. Alan Wasserman, <alanwassermannc at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Does anyone have, or can direct me to where I can find a brake servo for
> my ?66 bj8?  Thanks
>
> Alan Wasserman
> Alanwassermannc at gmail.com
> 732-887-0742
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From healeydoc at sbcglobal.net  Fri Sep 20 10:06:04 2024
From: healeydoc at sbcglobal.net (David Nock BCS)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2024 09:06:04 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] break servo
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Are you looking for an original or aftermarket servo

We have used original servos available that will need rebuilt, and there is an aftermarket Lockheed servo available.

The Lockheed servo will require a different mounting bracket.


David Nock
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From: Michael Salter 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2024 8:20 PM
To: Alan Wasserman 
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [Healeys] break servo

https://www.amazon.com/Booster-Mounting-Replacement-Fairlane-AKWH/dp/B0D499HJD3/ref=asc_df_B0D499HJD3/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=692875362841&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14660784689921927117&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9018758&hvtargid=pla-2281435177618&psc=1&mcid=6283e5624713369181ed1bec432bc31f&hvocijid=14660784689921927117-B0D499HJD3-&hvexpln=73

On Thu., Sep. 19, 2024, 1:59 p.m. Alan Wasserman, <alanwassermannc at gmail.com> wrote:

  Does anyone have, or can direct me to where I can find a brake servo for my ?66 bj8?  Thanks

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From healeymanjim at hansencc.net  Fri Sep 20 10:43:07 2024
From: healeymanjim at hansencc.net (=?utf-8?Q?healeymanjim?=)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2024 09:43:07 -0700
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years ago i repaired a VH40 unit on a BJ8.  got the parts from australia and it was far easier to repair than the Girling units.

From nstbennett at gmail.com  Fri Sep 20 12:07:54 2024
From: nstbennett at gmail.com (N.S. Bennett)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2024 12:07:54 -0600
Subject: [Healeys] Healey Brake Servo
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@Michael Salter, is the VH44 a direct swap in a BJ8 or does it require some
fettling?

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From gmandas at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 20 14:23:43 2024
From: gmandas at yahoo.com (Greg Mandas)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2024 20:23:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Healey Brake Servo
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 Hi,
I have an original 1965 servo that needs rebuilding.
Greg


    On Friday, September 20, 2024 at 02:30:19 PM EDT, N.S. Bennett <nstbennett at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 @Michael Salter, is the VH44 a direct swap in a BJ8 or does it require some fettling??
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Fri Sep 20 15:34:37 2024
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2024 17:34:37 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Healey Brake Servo
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It requires modification of or replacement mou nt brackets and differently
shaped lines. I may actually have a fitting kit. Would have to check.

On Fri., Sep. 20, 2024, 2:23 p.m. N.S. Bennett, <nstbennett at gmail.com>
wrote:

> @Michael Salter, is the VH44 a direct swap in a BJ8 or does it require
> some fettling?
>
> Nate B.
> '66 BJ8
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From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com  Fri Sep 20 15:42:46 2024
From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (Simon Lachlan)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2024 22:42:46 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] Healey Brake Servo
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So have I. In the attic and that?s where it?s staying!

You buy the kit, rebuild the thing but have you bought the little part that dissolves in brake fluid??.?

Simon

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Greg Mandas via Healeys
Sent: 20 September 2024 21:24
To: healeys at autox.team.net; N.S. Bennett <nstbennett at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healey Brake Servo

 

Hi,

 

I have an original 1965 servo that needs rebuilding.

 

Greg

 

 

 

On Friday, September 20, 2024 at 02:30:19 PM EDT, N.S. Bennett <nstbennett at gmail.com <mailto:nstbennett at gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

@Michael Salter, is the VH44 a direct swap in a BJ8 or does it require some fettling? 

 

Nate B.

'66 BJ8

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From gmandas at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 20 17:22:54 2024
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2024 19:22:54 -0400
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Fri Sep 20 18:14:05 2024
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2024 20:14:05 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Healey Brake Servo
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Sorry Simon,  I  wasn't clear ... I  believe that I have a VH44 fitting
kit.

On Fri., Sep. 20, 2024, 6:11 p.m. Simon Lachlan via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> So have I. In the attic and that?s where it?s staying!
>
> You buy the kit, rebuild the thing but have you bought the little part
> that dissolves in brake fluid??.?
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Greg
> Mandas via Healeys
> *Sent:* 20 September 2024 21:24
> *To:* healeys at autox.team.net; N.S. Bennett <nstbennett at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Healey Brake Servo
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I have an original 1965 servo that needs rebuilding.
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 20, 2024 at 02:30:19 PM EDT, N.S. Bennett <
> nstbennett at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> @Michael Salter, is the VH44 a direct swap in a BJ8 or does it require
> some fettling?
>
>
>
> Nate B.
>
> '66 BJ8
>
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From drtommitch at gmail.com  Fri Sep 20 19:08:06 2024
From: drtommitch at gmail.com (Tom Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2024 21:08:06 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Healey Brake Servo
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From britishauto at gmail.com  Sat Sep 21 06:41:41 2024
From: britishauto at gmail.com (Jake V)
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:41:41 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Healey Brake Servo
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I just started into the rebuild process for the Girling servo from my '66
BJ8. It's a bit of a chore to disassemble, even if everything still moves.
The leather seal is available but I haven't found anywhere discussing how
to replace it. The foam backup ring needs to be an open cell foam, some of
the older kits used a closed cell that would cause things to lock up.
The cans can get rusty inside in the low spot if they've been sitting,
right in the seal area.
In short, originals can be a frustrating gamble to attempt to rebuild.
Tom's Import Toys sells a kit that retrofits a different servo, I've heard
good things about it.

On Fri, Sep 20, 2024, 9:22 PM Tom Mitchell <drtommitch at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a few waiting for me to do something or just in case. lol
>
> Tom
> Sent from Dr. Tom?s iPhone
>
> On Sep 20, 2024, at 8:19?PM, Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> Sorry Simon,  I  wasn't clear ... I  believe that I have a VH44 fitting
> kit.
>
> On Fri., Sep. 20, 2024, 6:11 p.m. Simon Lachlan via Healeys, <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> So have I. In the attic and that?s where it?s staying!
>>
>> You buy the kit, rebuild the thing but have you bought the little part
>> that dissolves in brake fluid??.?
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Greg
>> Mandas via Healeys
>> *Sent:* 20 September 2024 21:24
>> *To:* healeys at autox.team.net; N.S. Bennett <nstbennett at gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Healey Brake Servo
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have an original 1965 servo that needs rebuilding.
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 20, 2024 at 02:30:19 PM EDT, N.S. Bennett <
>> nstbennett at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> @Michael Salter, is the VH44 a direct swap in a BJ8 or does it require
>> some fettling?
>>
>>
>>
>> Nate B.
>>
>> '66 BJ8
>>
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From healey.nut at gmail.com  Sat Sep 21 06:53:58 2024
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:53:58 +0800
Subject: [Healeys] Healey Brake Servo
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Hi Nate -

When I got my VH44, it came with instructions for cutting up the existing
mounts and changing the orientation, and it mounts correctly that way.
Sorry I don't know how I did it, but you can probably jimmy something up
pretty easily with some sheet steel.

Alan

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> @Michael Salter, is the VH44 a direct swap in a BJ8 or does it require
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From gradea1 at charter.net  Sat Sep 21 10:00:26 2024
From: gradea1 at charter.net (Hank Leach)
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2024 16:00:26 +0000
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From healey.nut at gmail.com  Sun Sep 22 19:38:49 2024
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2024 09:38:49 +0800
Subject: [Healeys] Downpipes
In-Reply-To: <3c53cee2-49eb-4117-8f47-876a68319f89@comcast.net>
References: <3c53cee2-49eb-4117-8f47-876a68319f89@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAFBXTkKyO62A05x5thprxcxmvs685+tfynidCwT9HEEEzQhPAg@mail.gmail.com>

Bob -

The flexpipe is there specifically because prior to 1953 or so, many
English cars had their exhaust systems bolted to the frame of the car, so
the flexpipe was needed to account for the lateral movement of the motor.
The flexpipe also made installation easier.  On my A90 I had to craft  its
own exhaust mount system, which works well.  Definitely no need for it if
the pipes are custom fit.  I think in the case of the healey, they kept the
flexpipe to allow for some give in installing mass produced pipes with
varying tolerances.

Cheers,

Alan

On Thu, Sep 19, 2024 at 11:44?AM Bob Spidell via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> The exhaust downpipes for both 4- and 6-cyl cars have a section of
> flexible tubing before the connection to the muffler. I've always
> assumed this was to allow for the rocking of the engine, and the fact
> the system is affixed with fairly rigid hangers (at least, until the
> rubber part disintegrates). I've also heard the flexpipe is to allow
> easier fitment from the downpipe to the muffler, which won't necessarily
> be perfectly aligned. Of course, both reasons could be true.
>
> I'm asking the knowledge-based, LLM model List because I'm considering
> an aftermarket header from AH Spares for my BN2/100M. The repop down
> pipe I have now is malformed, and the clutch pedal arm comes in contact
> with it at full clutch pedal, and I've heard this is common in the
> repops (yes, I could just bash the downpipe, but that would be tacky and
> sometimes that can cause a ticking noise, which would annoy me even
> more). But, the AHS pipe doesn't have the section of flexpipe so I'm
> wondering if it's really needed. I have a TIG and I'm not terrible with
> it, but the header and, presumably the flex tubing are SS, which I'm not
> practiced in welding.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.
>
> Bob
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Sun Sep 22 20:52:39 2024
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2024 19:52:39 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Downpipes
In-Reply-To: <CAFBXTkKyO62A05x5thprxcxmvs685+tfynidCwT9HEEEzQhPAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3c53cee2-49eb-4117-8f47-876a68319f89@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <927c7119-1303-4175-a5c2-a0e7774af091@comcast.net>

Thanks, Alan. I kinda suspected this, but I still can't decide if it's 
needed with rigid headers headers. My systems are bolted to the frame, 
but with a rubber pad which allows some movement (especially when they 
tear themselves in two). Contemporary cars mostly let the exhaust hang 
loosely and don't seem to need any flexibility in the pipes.

If I install the header, and it doesn't line up, I'd have to take it off 
and weld some flex pipe to it (decisions, decisions). WIW, AHS sales 
guy--who's been very responsive--says they don't hear of any problems 
(but likely don't know what customers do).

Bob

On 9/22/2024 6:38 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:
> Bob -
>
> The flexpipe is there specifically because prior to 1953 or so, many 
> English cars had their exhaust systems bolted to the frame of the car, 
> so the flexpipe was needed to account for the lateral movement of the 
> motor.? The flexpipe also made installation easier.? On my A90 I had 
> to craft? its own exhaust mount system, which works well.? Definitely 
> no need for it if the pipes are custom fit.? I think in the case of 
> the healey, they kept the flexpipe to allow for some give in 
> installing mass produced pipes with varying tolerances.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alan
>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2024 at 11:44?AM Bob Spidell via Healeys 
> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>     Listers,
>
>     The exhaust downpipes for both 4- and 6-cyl cars have a section of
>     flexible tubing before the connection to the muffler. I've always
>     assumed this was to allow for the rocking of the engine, and the fact
>     the system is affixed with fairly rigid hangers (at least, until the
>     rubber part disintegrates). I've also heard the flexpipe is to allow
>     easier fitment from the downpipe to the muffler, which won't
>     necessarily
>     be perfectly aligned. Of course, both reasons could be true.
>
>     I'm asking the knowledge-based, LLM model List because I'm
>     considering
>     an aftermarket header from AH Spares for my BN2/100M. The repop down
>     pipe I have now is malformed, and the clutch pedal arm comes in
>     contact
>     with it at full clutch pedal, and I've heard this is common in the
>     repops (yes, I could just bash the downpipe, but that would be
>     tacky and
>     sometimes that can cause a ticking noise, which would annoy me even
>     more). But, the AHS pipe doesn't have the section of flexpipe so I'm
>     wondering if it's really needed. I have a TIG and I'm not terrible
>     with
>     it, but the header and, presumably the flex tubing are SS, which
>     I'm not
>     practiced in welding.
>
>     Thanks for any suggestions.
>
>     Bob
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From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com  Mon Sep 23 02:48:52 2024
From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (Simon Lachlan)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2024 09:48:52 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive Relay
Message-ID: <000001db0d95$6bfe7cd0$43fb7670$@alexarevel.plus.com>

The other day my overdrive stopped working. (For the nth time. Toyota 5
speed please Santa).
Anyhow, it failed what I called the "click test" so I was 99% sure that the
fault was electric. First off, it's fused so the wiring was unlikely to be
fried and the fuse had not blown The relay passed its bench test and the
throttle switch was OK. So, I was pretty sure it was the solenoid...maybe
the gearstick switch but didn't seem likely.
So, I dismantled down to the solenoid. Not too serious in a BT7 and much
helped by having tunnel cover held down by stainless steel screws into
rivnuts.
Put a test lamp in lieu of the solenoid. Lamp lit up when OD was "On" and
stick was to the right. So, the problem WAS in the solenoid and final proof
was its replacement by a spare which solved the problem.
I took the rubber cover off the top and there was no evidence of frying etc.
All looked good. The solenoid was dead as a dodo..putting it across a spare
12v battery didn't induce a sound or a twitch.
Now, the question(s)..are there dud ones out there? Why/how did it fail? 
Just curious...
Simon
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From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com  Mon Sep 23 05:25:18 2024
From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (Simon Lachlan)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2024 12:25:18 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] Not relay
Message-ID: <000001db0dab$45ef21f0$d1cd65d0$@alexarevel.plus.com>

You'll all have gathered that I should have headed my prior email "Overdrive
solenoid"...stupid error.
Simon
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Mon Sep 23 08:11:33 2024
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2024 07:11:33 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive Relay
In-Reply-To: <000001db0d95$6bfe7cd0$43fb7670$@alexarevel.plus.com>
References: <000001db0d95$6bfe7cd0$43fb7670$@alexarevel.plus.com>
Message-ID: <01c53a53-cdb9-4ee6-bddc-92856e7f66cc@comcast.net>

Yes, there are crap solenoids in the wild (side note: there's also 
rumors that bad actors were buying surplus Lucas boxes and putting 
Chinese crap in them).

Years ago, our own Michael Salter acquired some legit Lucas/quality 
solenoids and offered them for sale. For once, I was smart enough to 
grab one even though I didn't need it at the time, but did a few years 
later. Since the plunger shouldn't wear, and the windings should last a 
long time the most likely failure point is, well, the points (there are 
two in the solenoids: a momentary 'pull up' set and a 'sustain' set--why 
the circuit should have a slow blow fuse). I don't know if they have any 
internal arc protection, but you could probably rig something external, 
though given the cycles the solenoid experiences it shouldn't really be 
an issue. Same issue is in points ignition and our beloved S.U. fuel 
pumps: arcing across the points when a coil field collapses causes 
erosion of the points due to metal transfer. Capacitors ('condensers') 
and diodes can mitigate erosion but, eventually, the points will pit and 
possibly stick.


On 9/23/2024 1:48 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote:
>
> The other day my overdrive stopped working. (For the nth time. Toyota 
> 5 speed please Santa).
>
> Anyhow, it failed what I called the ?click test? so I was 99%sure that 
> the fault was electric.First off, it?s fused so the wiring was 
> unlikely to be fried and the fuse had not blownThe relay passed its 
> bench test and thethrottle switch was OK.So, I was pretty sure it was 
> the solenoid?..maybe the gearstick switch but didn?t seem likely.
>
> So, I dismantled down to the solenoid. Not too serious in a BT7and 
> much helped by having tunnel cover held down by stainless steelscrews 
> into rivnuts.
>
> Put a test lampin lieu of the solenoid. Lamp lit up when OD was ?On? 
> and stick was to the right. So, the problem WAS in the solenoid and 
> final proof was its replacement by a spare which solved the problem.
>
> I took the rubber cover off the top and there was no evidence offrying 
> etc. All looked good.The solenoid was dead as a dodo?.putting it 
> across a spare 12v battery didn?t induce a soundor a twitch.
>
> Now, the question(s)??are there dud ones out there? Why/howdid it fail?
>
> Just curious??.
>
> Simon
>
>
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From rmarkovich at aol.com  Mon Sep 23 08:21:04 2024
From: rmarkovich at aol.com (Robert Markovich)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2024 14:21:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Not relay
In-Reply-To: <000001db0dab$45ef21f0$d1cd65d0$@alexarevel.plus.com>
References: <000001db0dab$45ef21f0$d1cd65d0$@alexarevel.plus.com>
Message-ID: <1969242150.11450545.1727101264398@mail.yahoo.com>

I?ve found that. Good original Lucas solenoid is far better than the Chinese copies sold today. So I?d look for that first?


Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS


On Monday, September 23, 2024, 7:41 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

 

You?ll all have gathered that I should have headed my prior email ?Overdrive solenoid??..stupid error.

Simon
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From roggrace at telus.net  Mon Sep 23 09:19:20 2024
From: roggrace at telus.net (Roger Grace)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2024 08:19:20 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Not relay
In-Reply-To: <000001db0dab$45ef21f0$d1cd65d0$@alexarevel.plus.com>
References: <000001db0dab$45ef21f0$d1cd65d0$@alexarevel.plus.com>
Message-ID: <CALPtYiMTYZ_5uiGo_Xe+zMNatmC+66Bcm5nQL6oEAR05q=3b7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Simon - Could it be the internal pull in coil, switch contacts ?
I don't have one to hand at moment to have a look.
Question could the solenoid be opened so could it be inspected/repaired ?
I was interested in your rivnut tunnel mounts. Good idea.
Were you able to use the same size for all of them ? Dia ? Any issues doing
it ?
rg


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> You?ll all have gathered that I should have headed my prior email
> ?Overdrive solenoid??..stupid error.
>
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From manifold at telus.net  Mon Sep 23 10:36:56 2024
From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2024 09:36:56 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Not relay
In-Reply-To: <1969242150.11450545.1727101264398@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <000001db0dab$45ef21f0$d1cd65d0$@alexarevel.plus.com>
 <1969242150.11450545.1727101264398@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAFP1XCDD0-Yjqf=tc_5RqV4RoSNz5z1t2wRq6aKLMwGxu05uuA@mail.gmail.com>

Simon,

I have a 1961 BT7 and to the best of my knowledge the OD solenoid is the
original and it continues to work well. The OD solenoid can be very
reliable over many years. Given your bad luck with solenoids there may be
another unknown variable causing you grief. The electrical system on my car
is completely stock and the only upgrades are additional grounding straps
at the motor mount and the OD mount in addition to the grounding strap by
the starter. WIthout a good ground there can be all sorts of strange
electrical things happening.

Harold

On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 9:05?AM Robert Markovich via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I?ve found that. Good original Lucas solenoid is far better than the
> Chinese copies sold today. So I?d look for that first
>
>
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
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> On Monday, September 23, 2024, 7:41 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> You?ll all have gathered that I should have headed my prior email
> ?Overdrive solenoid??..stupid error.
>
> Simon
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From rmarkovich at aol.com  Mon Sep 23 15:25:05 2024
From: rmarkovich at aol.com (Robert Markovich)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2024 21:25:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Not relay
In-Reply-To: <CAFP1XCDD0-Yjqf=tc_5RqV4RoSNz5z1t2wRq6aKLMwGxu05uuA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001db0dab$45ef21f0$d1cd65d0$@alexarevel.plus.com>
 <1969242150.11450545.1727101264398@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAFP1XCDD0-Yjqf=tc_5RqV4RoSNz5z1t2wRq6aKLMwGxu05uuA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1138030893.11686906.1727126705841@mail.yahoo.com>

A further testament to the relative reliability of an ORIGINAL Lucas solenoid ?


Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS


On Monday, September 23, 2024, 12:37 PM, Harold Manifold <manifold at telus.net> wrote:

Simon,
I have a 1961 BT7 and to the best of my knowledge the OD solenoid is the original and it continues to work well. The OD solenoid can be very reliable over many years. Given your bad luck with solenoids there may be another unknown variable causing you grief. The electrical system on my car is completely stock and the only upgrades are additional grounding straps at the motor mount and the OD mount in addition to the grounding strap by the starter. WIthout a good ground there can be all sorts of strange electrical things happening.
Harold
On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 9:05?AM Robert Markovich via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

I?ve found that. Good original Lucas solenoid is far better than the Chinese copies sold today. So I?d look for that first?


Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS


On Monday, September 23, 2024, 7:41 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

 
You?ll all have gathered that I should have headed my prior email ?Overdrive solenoid??..stupid error.

Simon
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From rmarkovich at aol.com  Mon Sep 23 15:26:38 2024
From: rmarkovich at aol.com (Robert Markovich)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2024 21:26:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive Relay
In-Reply-To: <01c53a53-cdb9-4ee6-bddc-92856e7f66cc@comcast.net>
References: <000001db0d95$6bfe7cd0$43fb7670$@alexarevel.plus.com>
 <01c53a53-cdb9-4ee6-bddc-92856e7f66cc@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <242725254.11694500.1727126798978@mail.yahoo.com>

And of course misadjustment? will burn these out in no time ?


Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS


On Monday, September 23, 2024, 11:47 AM, Bob Spidell via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

 Yes, there are crap solenoids in the wild (side note: there's also rumors that bad actors were buying surplus Lucas boxes and putting Chinese crap in them).
 
 Years ago, our own Michael Salter acquired some legit Lucas/quality solenoids and offered them for sale. For once, I was smart enough to grab one even though I didn't need it at the time, but did a few years later. Since the plunger shouldn't wear, and the windings should last a long time the most likely failure point is, well, the points (there are two in the solenoids: a momentary 'pull up' set and a 'sustain' set--why the circuit should have a slow blow fuse). I don't know if they have any internal arc protection, but you could probably rig something external, though given the cycles the solenoid experiences it shouldn't really be an issue. Same issue is in points ignition and our beloved S.U. fuel pumps: arcing across the points when a coil field collapses causes erosion of the points due to metal transfer. Capacitors ('condensers') and diodes can mitigate erosion but, eventually, the points will pit and possibly stick.
 
 
 On 9/23/2024 1:48 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote:
  
 


The other day my overdrive stopped working. (For the nth time. Toyota 5 speed please Santa).
 
Anyhow, it failed what I called the ?click test? so I was 99% sure that the fault was electric. First off, it?s fused so the wiring was unlikely to be fried and the fuse had not blown The relay passed its bench test and the throttle switch was OK. So, I was pretty sure it was the solenoid?..maybe the gearstick switch but didn?t seem likely.
 
So, I dismantled down to the solenoid. Not too serious in a BT7 and much helped by having tunnel cover held down by stainless steel screws into rivnuts.
 
Put a test lamp in lieu of the solenoid. Lamp lit up when OD was ?On? and stick was to the right. So, the problem WAS in the solenoid and final proof was its replacement by a spare which solved the problem.
 
I took the rubber cover off the top and there was no evidence of frying etc. All looked good. The solenoid was dead as a dodo?.putting it across a spare 12v battery didn?t induce a sound or a twitch.
 
Now, the question(s)??are there dud ones out there? Why/how did it fail? 
 
Just curious??.
 
Simon
 
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From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com  Wed Sep 25 14:28:39 2024
From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (Simon Lachlan)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 21:28:39 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive Solenoid Repros?
Message-ID: <000001db0f89$825ada50$87108ef0$@alexarevel.plus.com>

Hi,
With reference to the discussion about failing solenoids, for which many
thanks for the replies, I emailed Dave at ODSpares regarding a conversation
we'd had last time I was up there.
He replied:-
"Hi Simon,
The ones to avoid are the ones with a thin reddy brown wire on them. But,
saying that, almost all of them need the points tweaking slightly to make
them work properly and last longer. Even the batch with Lucas electrically
etched onto them (over the Chinese writing) are the same but come in a Lucas
box).
Not very helpful I know.
best regards  
Dave Twigger (ODSpares) 24/09/24"

So that's indicative of something..avoid the "reddy brown wire" versions,
buy a genuine one and make sure it's set correctly. Certainly, over here in
the UK, there's very obvious gap in prices between the units on eBay etcetc
and the ones from our favourite suppliers. Having said that, Dave did say
that one of the latter was peddling the ones with "Lucas" etched over
Chinese script!
Simon

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From warthodson at aol.com  Wed Sep 25 17:18:03 2024
From: warthodson at aol.com (warthodson at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 23:18:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive Solenoid Repros?
In-Reply-To: <000001db0f89$825ada50$87108ef0$@alexarevel.plus.com>
References: <000001db0f89$825ada50$87108ef0$@alexarevel.plus.com>
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 How does one "tweak" the points slightly to make them worm properly?Gary Hodson
    On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 04:12:02 PM CDT, Simon Lachlan via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:   

  
Hi,

With reference to the discussion about failing solenoids, for which many thanks for the replies, I emailed Dave at ODSpares regarding a conversation we?d had last time I was up there.

He replied:-

?Hi Simon,

The ones to avoid are the ones with a thin reddy brown wire on them. But, saying that, almost all of them need the points tweaking slightly to make them work properly and last longer. Even the batch with Lucas electrically etched onto them (over the Chinese writing) are the same but come in a Lucas box).

Not very helpful I know.

best regards? 

Dave Twigger (ODSpares) 24/09/24?

So that?s indicative of something?.avoid the ?reddy brown wire? versions, buy a genuine one and make sure it?s set correctly. Certainly, over here in the UK, there?s very obvious gap in prices between the units on eBay etcetc and the ones from our favourite suppliers. Having said that, Dave did say that one of the latter was peddling the ones with ?Lucas? etched over Chinese script!

Simon
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From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com  Thu Sep 26 05:43:57 2024
From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (Simon Lachlan)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2024 12:43:57 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive Solenoid Repros?
In-Reply-To: <277166786.10212032.1727306283420@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi,

Not sure if this is a serious query but, so far as I can see from the dead one which I?ve just dug out of the bin, there is no way to ?tweak? the points to make them work or, for that matter worm properly.

The two halves of the points setup are held down by tiny rivets(?) so there is no lateral adjustment. The points are in the closed position and the top, sprung, half is a pretty serious piece of metal?not given to minute adjustments. Perhaps a genuine Lucas solenoid?s points are tweakable. Don?t know. This, dead, solenoid does indeed have two sets of script on it, one over-writing the other. And, on taking the top section off, ie the points, there is slight smell of burning detectable from inside once the nylon(?) push rod is removed.

Simon

 

 

From: warthodson at aol.com <warthodson at aol.com> 
Sent: 26 September 2024 00:18
To: Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>; Simon Lachlan <simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Solenoid Repros?

 

How does one "tweak" the points slightly to make them worm properly?

Gary Hodson

 

On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 04:12:02 PM CDT, Simon Lachlan via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Hi,

With reference to the discussion about failing solenoids, for which many thanks for the replies, I emailed Dave at ODSpares regarding a conversation we?d had last time I was up there.

He replied:-

?Hi Simon,

The ones to avoid are the ones with a thin reddy brown wire on them. But, saying that, almost all of them need the points tweaking slightly to make them work properly and last longer. Even the batch with Lucas electrically etched onto them (over the Chinese writing) are the same but come in a Lucas box).

Not very helpful I know.

best regards  

Dave Twigger (ODSpares) 24/09/24?

So that?s indicative of something?.avoid the ?reddy brown wire? versions, buy a genuine one and make sure it?s set correctly. Certainly, over here in the UK, there?s very obvious gap in prices between the units on eBay etcetc and the ones from our favourite suppliers. Having said that, Dave did say that one of the latter was peddling the ones with ?Lucas? etched over Chinese script!

Simon

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From warthodson at aol.com  Thu Sep 26 08:26:11 2024
From: warthodson at aol.com (warthodson at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2024 14:26:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive Solenoid Repros?
In-Reply-To: <277166786.10212032.1727306283420@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <000001db0f89$825ada50$87108ef0$@alexarevel.plus.com>
 <277166786.10212032.1727306283420@mail.yahoo.com>
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 Correction: make that "work correctly".Gary Hodson
    On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 06:43:31 PM CDT, warthodson--- via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:   

  How does one "tweak" the points slightly to make them worm properly?Gary Hodson
    On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 04:12:02 PM CDT, Simon Lachlan via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:   

  
Hi,

With reference to the discussion about failing solenoids, for which many thanks for the replies, I emailed Dave at ODSpares regarding a conversation we?d had last time I was up there.

He replied:-

?Hi Simon,

The ones to avoid are the ones with a thin reddy brown wire on them. But, saying that, almost all of them need the points tweaking slightly to make them work properly and last longer. Even the batch with Lucas electrically etched onto them (over the Chinese writing) are the same but come in a Lucas box).

Not very helpful I know.

best regards? 

Dave Twigger (ODSpares) 24/09/24?

So that?s indicative of something?.avoid the ?reddy brown wire? versions, buy a genuine one and make sure it?s set correctly. Certainly, over here in the UK, there?s very obvious gap in prices between the units on eBay etcetc and the ones from our favourite suppliers. Having said that, Dave did say that one of the latter was peddling the ones with ?Lucas? etched over Chinese script!

Simon
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From fsufan1952 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 26 14:12:50 2024
From: fsufan1952 at yahoo.com (fsufan1952 at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2024 16:12:50 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] BJ8 trans
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 On a 1967 Healey 3000 with O/D I?m changing the oil in them . Can I just remove the large oil drain plug from the O/D and drain all the oil from the trans and O/D ? Or do I need to remove the separate drain plug from the transmission? 
       Thanks , Don 
Sent from my iPhone

From sbyers at ec.rr.com  Thu Sep 26 14:57:37 2024
From: sbyers at ec.rr.com (sbyers at ec.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2024 16:57:37 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] BJ8 trans
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Don, I've always removed both plugs to make sure all the oil is drained out before refilling.  Never really thought about removing just one.  I usually let it drain overnight.

Steve Byers
BJ8 Registry
AHCA Delegate at Large
Havelock, NC  USA


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2024 4:13 PM
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Subject: [Healeys] BJ8 trans

 On a 1967 Healey 3000 with O/D I?m changing the oil in them . Can I just remove the large oil drain plug from the O/D and drain all the oil from the trans and O/D ? Or do I need to remove the separate drain plug from the transmission? 
       Thanks , Don 
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From gradea1 at charter.net  Thu Sep 26 16:06:31 2024
From: gradea1 at charter.net (Hank Leach)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2024 22:06:31 +0000
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Thu Sep 26 18:12:28 2024
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2024 17:12:28 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] BJ8 trans
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Working from memory, and this diagram, there is a couple holes in the 
rear of the gearbox to level the fluid in the gearbox and O/D. They're 
above the 'floor' of the gearbox case, which is also slanted forward. 
I'm guessing there would be a cup or more of fluid left in the gearbox 
if you don't remove its plug.

https://mossmotors.com/ahy-038-external-gearbox-center-shift

On 9/26/2024 1:57 PM, sbyers--- via Healeys wrote:
> Don, I've always removed both plugs to make sure all the oil is drained out before refilling.  Never really thought about removing just one.  I usually let it drain overnight.
>
> Steve Byers
> BJ8 Registry
> AHCA Delegate at Large
> Havelock, NC  USA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Healeys<healeys-bounces at autox.team.net>  On Behalf Of Don via Healeys
> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2024 4:13 PM
> To: healey list<healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Healeys] BJ8 trans
>
>   On a 1967 Healey 3000 with O/D I?m changing the oil in them . Can I just remove the large oil drain plug from the O/D and drain all the oil from the trans and O/D ? Or do I need to remove the separate drain plug from the transmission?
>         Thanks , Don
> Sent from my iPhone
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From fsufan1952 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 28 07:45:26 2024
From: fsufan1952 at yahoo.com (fsufan1952 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2024 09:45:26 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] OD drips
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Good morning all 
    Two days ago I installed a new washer on the large brass drain plug on the 67 BJ8 . Filled the transmission up . Looked at it in the morning and it had drips on the bottom of the plug . So I used the correct tool and tried to tighten it up . Then this morning looked again and there was those drips. When I installed it the surface didn?t look gouged or anything. So what?s the fix to stop the drips ?  Remove the big brass plug , get a new gasket for it , apply some kind of gasket sealer on the gasket, reinstall it and tighten as needed? Maybe add two gaskets ? 
      Thanks as always, Don 
Sent from my iPhone

From bspidell at comcast.net  Sat Sep 28 08:24:22 2024
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2024 07:24:22 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] OD drips
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I'm having the same problem Don (well, I've always had it, but it's 
gotten worse). Years ago, when I had the gearbox/OD out I'd carefully 
flat-filed the O/D, as there was some roughness to it, and it seemed to 
help. But, after the latest intervention the dripping increased. I tried 
a new gasket and a sealer that's worked well for me in other 
places--Permatex Seal&Lock--and still get some drips. I can't say for 
sure, since I don't have one of the old gaskets, but I think the newer 
ones offered are thinner around the perimeter (not thickness, the width 
of the 'rim' of the gasket; i.e. OD minus ID). That could be part of the 
problem, plus those fiber washers, used elsewhere, are always tricky to 
get a good seal (S.U. went from the fiber gaskets to O-rings on their 
fuel pumps--you don't suppose?). Soaking with a light oil before 
installing helps; I don't recall if I did that last attempt.

I have a 'correct tool' as well, but it's still hard to get a lot of 
torque on the brass nut in situ. Back in the day, I'd take a drift and a 
2-lb hammer to it, but since getting a new plug I'm loathe to do that 
(but in desperation I might try it). Another alternative would be to 
forgo the gasket and just use the sealant, which worked well to seal a 
mis-sized plug on an 'uprated' water pump (thanks Steve K.). But, it 
could be that that sealant may not work as well on an oily surface (hard 
to get all oil off the hole as it keeps dripping for days).

Bob

On 9/28/2024 6:45 AM, Don via Healeys wrote:
> Good morning all
>      Two days ago I installed a new washer on the large brass drain plug on the 67 BJ8 . Filled the transmission up . Looked at it in the morning and it had drips on the bottom of the plug . So I used the correct tool and tried to tighten it up . Then this morning looked again and there was those drips. When I installed it the surface didn?t look gouged or anything. So what?s the fix to stop the drips ?  Remove the big brass plug , get a new gasket for it , apply some kind of gasket sealer on the gasket, reinstall it and tighten as needed? Maybe add two gaskets ?
>        Thanks as always, Don
> Sent from my iPhone
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From manifold at telus.net  Sat Sep 28 10:04:19 2024
From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold)
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2024 09:04:19 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] OD drips
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Don,

I had a leak in the large OD drain plug plug as well. After several failed
attempts with magic sealers to stop the leak I discovered the flange on the
brass nut had a slight wave. I carefully filed the flange until flat and
dressed the OD opening as well. I applied Permatex Aviation Form-a-Gasket
to the fiber washer and the bottom half of the threads. So far no leaks. I
am using 30W non-detergent oil, synthetic gear oils will leak more
readily than the 30W.

Lesson learned is there can't be the slightest gap between the flange and
the seat. Try assembling dry without the gasket and see if the nut seats
all the way around.

Harold





On Sat, Sep 28, 2024 at 8:07?AM Bob Spidell via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I'm having the same problem Don (well, I've always had it, but it's gotten
> worse). Years ago, when I had the gearbox/OD out I'd carefully flat-filed
> the O/D, as there was some roughness to it, and it seemed to help. But,
> after the latest intervention the dripping increased. I tried a new gasket
> and a sealer that's worked well for me in other places--Permatex
> Seal&Lock--and still get some drips. I can't say for sure, since I don't
> have one of the old gaskets, but I think the newer ones offered are thinner
> around the perimeter (not thickness, the width of the 'rim' of the gasket;
> i.e. OD minus ID). That could be part of the problem, plus those fiber
> washers, used elsewhere, are always tricky to get a good seal (S.U. went
> from the fiber gaskets to O-rings on their fuel pumps--you don't suppose?).
> Soaking with a light oil before installing helps; I don't recall if I did
> that last attempt.
>
> I have a 'correct tool' as well, but it's still hard to get a lot of
> torque on the brass nut in situ. Back in the day, I'd take a drift and a
> 2-lb hammer to it, but since getting a new plug I'm loathe to do that (but
> in desperation I might try it). Another alternative would be to forgo the
> gasket and just use the sealant, which worked well to seal a mis-sized plug
> on an 'uprated' water pump (thanks Steve K.). But, it could be that that
> sealant may not work as well on an oily surface (hard to get all oil off
> the hole as it keeps dripping for days).
>
> Bob
>
> On 9/28/2024 6:45 AM, Don via Healeys wrote:
>
> Good morning all
>     Two days ago I installed a new washer on the large brass drain plug on the 67 BJ8 . Filled the transmission up . Looked at it in the morning and it had drips on the bottom of the plug . So I used the correct tool and tried to tighten it up . Then this morning looked again and there was those drips. When I installed it the surface didn?t look gouged or anything. So what?s the fix to stop the drips ?  Remove the big brass plug , get a new gasket for it , apply some kind of gasket sealer on the gasket, reinstall it and tighten as needed? Maybe add two gaskets ?
>       Thanks as always, Don
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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From gradea1 at charter.net  Sat Sep 28 11:48:56 2024
From: gradea1 at charter.net (Hank Leach)
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2024 17:48:56 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] OD drips
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From warthodson at aol.com  Sat Sep 28 13:11:23 2024
From: warthodson at aol.com (warthodson at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2024 19:11:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] OD drips
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30W non-detergent ONLY-no synthetics or expect leaks. Hank
For that to be true, you must have a gap in the seal larger than synthetic oil molecule & smaller that the conventional oil molecule.?Gary
    On Saturday, September 28, 2024 at 01:14:07 PM CDT, Hank Leach via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:   

 Yes, Harold has the best method! It is important to get some sealer onto the threads-use a Q-tip if necessary but that is where the seal takes place or leaks. That hard gasket really does not seal well and oil won't soak into it like as if it was cork. The gasket is just there to give you some squeeze movement.?Permatex Aircraft is the best for that as it starts out liquid but then hardens to each surface. Often the "ears" get distorted from what Bob described as the chisel/hammer method of tightening and then the plug does not go all the way home. Then you need to get out the file.?And thank you Harold!!! 30W non-detergent ONLY-no synthetics or expect leaks. Hank
-------------------- 

From: "Harold Manifold" <manifold at telus.net> 
To: "Bob Spidell" <bspidell at comcast.net> 
Cc: <healeys at autox.team.net> 
Sent: September 28, 2024 at 9:31 AM PDT 
Subject: Re: [Healeys] OD drips Don,?I had a leak in the large OD drain plug plug as well. After several failed attempts with magic sealers to stop the leak I discovered the flange on the brass nut had a slight wave. I carefully filed the flange until flat and dressed the OD opening?as well. I applied Permatex Aviation Form-a-Gasket to the fiber washer and the bottom half of the threads. So far no leaks. I am using 30W non-detergent oil, synthetic gear oils will leak more readily?than the 30W.?Lesson learned is there can't be the slightest gap between the flange and the seat. Try assembling?dry without the gasket and see if the nut seats all the way around.?Harold?????On Sat, Sep 28, 2024 at 8:07?AM Bob Spidell via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
I'm having the same problem Don (well, I've always had it, but it's gotten worse). Years ago, when I had the gearbox/OD out I'd carefully flat-filed the O/D, as there was some roughness to it, and it seemed to help. But, after the latest intervention the dripping increased. I tried a new gasket and a sealer that's worked well for me in other places--Permatex Seal&Lock--and still get some drips. I can't say for sure, since I don't have one of the old gaskets, but I think the newer ones offered are thinner around the perimeter (not thickness, the width of the 'rim' of the gasket; i.e. OD minus ID). That could be part of the problem, plus those fiber washers, used elsewhere, are always tricky to get a good seal (S.U. went from the fiber gaskets to O-rings on their fuel pumps--you don't suppose?). Soaking with a light oil before installing helps; I don't recall if I did that last attempt. 

I have a 'correct tool' as well, but it's still hard to get a lot of torque on the brass nut in situ. Back in the day, I'd take a drift and a 2-lb hammer to it, but since getting a new plug I'm loathe to do that (but in desperation I might try it). Another alternative would be to forgo the gasket and just use the sealant, which worked well to seal a mis-sized plug on an 'uprated' water pump (thanks Steve K.). But, it could be that that sealant may not work as well on an oily surface (hard to get all oil off the hole as it keeps dripping for days). 

Bob

On 9/28/2024 6:45 AM, Don via Healeys wrote:
Good morning all 
    Two days ago I installed a new washer on the large brass drain plug on the 67 BJ8 . Filled the transmission up . Looked at it in the morning and it had drips on the bottom of the plug . So I used the correct tool and tried to tighten it up . Then this morning looked again and there was those drips. When I installed it the surface didn?t look gouged or anything. So what?s the fix to stop the drips ?  Remove the big brass plug , get a new gasket for it , apply some kind of gasket sealer on the gasket, reinstall it and tighten as needed? Maybe add two gaskets ? 
      Thanks as always, Don 
Sent from my iPhone


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From jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net  Sat Sep 28 15:02:09 2024
From: jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net (JSARCH)
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2024 14:02:09 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] OD drips
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Use non-hardening Hylomar on the threads and gasket.

 

John

?62 BT7

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of warthodson--- via Healeys
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2024 12:11 PM
To: Harold Manifold <manifold at telus.net>; Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>; gradea1 at charter.net
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] OD drips

 

 

30W non-detergent ONLY-no synthetics or expect leaks. Hank

For that to be true, you must have a gap in the seal larger than synthetic oil molecule & smaller that the conventional oil molecule. 

Gary

 

On Saturday, September 28, 2024 at 01:14:07 PM CDT, Hank Leach via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Yes, Harold has the best method! It is important to get some sealer onto the threads-use a Q-tip if necessary but that is where the seal takes place or leaks. That hard gasket really does not seal well and oil won't soak into it like as if it was cork. The gasket is just there to give you some squeeze movement.

 

Permatex Aircraft is the best for that as it starts out liquid but then hardens to each surface. Often the "ears" get distorted from what Bob described as the chisel/hammer method of tightening and then the plug does not go all the way home. Then you need to get out the file.

 

And thank you Harold!!! 30W non-detergent ONLY-no synthetics or expect leaks. Hank


-------------------- 

From: "Harold Manifold" <manifold at telus.net <mailto:manifold at telus.net> > 
To: "Bob Spidell" <bspidell at comcast.net <mailto:bspidell at comcast.net> > 
Cc: <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > 
Sent: September 28, 2024 at 9:31 AM PDT 
Subject: Re: [Healeys] OD drips 

Don, 

 

I had a leak in the large OD drain plug plug as well. After several failed attempts with magic sealers to stop the leak I discovered the flange on the brass nut had a slight wave. I carefully filed the flange until flat and dressed the OD opening as well. I applied Permatex Aviation Form-a-Gasket to the fiber washer and the bottom half of the threads. So far no leaks. I am using 30W non-detergent oil, synthetic gear oils will leak more readily than the 30W.

 

Lesson learned is there can't be the slightest gap between the flange and the seat. Try assembling dry without the gasket and see if the nut seats all the way around.

 

Harold

 

 

 

 

 

On Sat, Sep 28, 2024 at 8:07?AM Bob Spidell via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote:

I'm having the same problem Don (well, I've always had it, but it's gotten worse). Years ago, when I had the gearbox/OD out I'd carefully flat-filed the O/D, as there was some roughness to it, and it seemed to help. But, after the latest intervention the dripping increased. I tried a new gasket and a sealer that's worked well for me in other places--Permatex Seal&Lock--and still get some drips. I can't say for sure, since I don't have one of the old gaskets, but I think the newer ones offered are thinner around the perimeter (not thickness, the width of the 'rim' of the gasket; i.e. OD minus ID). That could be part of the problem, plus those fiber washers, used elsewhere, are always tricky to get a good seal (S.U. went from the fiber gaskets to O-rings on their fuel pumps--you don't suppose?). Soaking with a light oil before installing helps; I don't recall if I did that last attempt. 

I have a 'correct tool' as well, but it's still hard to get a lot of torque on the brass nut in situ. Back in the day, I'd take a drift and a 2-lb hammer to it, but since getting a new plug I'm loathe to do that (but in desperation I might try it). Another alternative would be to forgo the gasket and just use the sealant, which worked well to seal a mis-sized plug on an 'uprated' water pump (thanks Steve K.). But, it could be that that sealant may not work as well on an oily surface (hard to get all oil off the hole as it keeps dripping for days). 

Bob

On 9/28/2024 6:45 AM, Don via Healeys wrote:

Good morning all 
    Two days ago I installed a new washer on the large brass drain plug on the 67 BJ8 . Filled the transmission up . Looked at it in the morning and it had drips on the bottom of the plug . So I used the correct tool and tried to tighten it up . Then this morning looked again and there was those drips. When I installed it the surface didn?t look gouged or anything. So what?s the fix to stop the drips ?  Remove the big brass plug , get a new gasket for it , apply some kind of gasket sealer on the gasket, reinstall it and tighten as needed? Maybe add two gaskets ? 
      Thanks as always, Don 
Sent from my iPhone
 

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From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com  Sun Sep 29 05:51:05 2024
From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (Simon Lachlan)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2024 12:51:05 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrve gearstick switch.
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Does anyone know the size and thread of the so-called "switch overdrive"
(AEJ20)?
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From rchaskell at earthlink.net  Sun Sep 29 09:24:56 2024
From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2024 11:24:56 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrve gearstick switch.
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Simon,

Not a definitive answer I'm afraid.? I measured an aftermarket switch 
(Intermotor sold by Moss).? The outer diameter is 0.615" and the pitch 
is around 12 TPI.? I don't believe that it's a standard Whitworth - 
5/8"-11 TPI.? There is a standard metric thread around this - 16 mm? - 2 
mm. Possibly too large of a diameter (0.6299").

Cheers,

Bob Haskell
Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar

On 9/29/24 07:51, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote:
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> Doesanyone know the size and thread of the so-called ?switch 
> overdrive? (AEJ20)?
>
> Thanks,
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> Simon
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From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com  Sun Sep 29 13:16:43 2024
From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (Simon Lachlan)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2024 20:16:43 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] OD drips
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I?ve got a MkII BT7 so had the big flat monstrosity on my car. I?ve seldom met something so ill-suited to its role or environment. 

I attach something I cobbled together some years back. You can forget most of the article if you just consider the bit about using a length of hardwood instead of, say, a screwdriver to beat upon. And give a thought to swapping to the earlier plug as fitted to the 100/4s. 30mm socket and you?re away????.

Simon

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of JSARCH via Healeys
Sent: 28 September 2024 22:02
To: warthodson at aol.com; 'Harold Manifold' <manifold at telus.net>; 'Bob Spidell' <bspidell at comcast.net>; gradea1 at charter.net
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] OD drips

 

Use non-hardening Hylomar on the threads and gasket.

 

John

?62 BT7

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of warthodson--- via Healeys
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2024 12:11 PM
To: Harold Manifold <manifold at telus.net <mailto:manifold at telus.net> >; Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net <mailto:bspidell at comcast.net> >; gradea1 at charter.net <mailto:gradea1 at charter.net> 
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Healeys] OD drips

 

 

30W non-detergent ONLY-no synthetics or expect leaks. Hank

For that to be true, you must have a gap in the seal larger than synthetic oil molecule & smaller that the conventional oil molecule. 

Gary

 

On Saturday, September 28, 2024 at 01:14:07 PM CDT, Hank Leach via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Yes, Harold has the best method! It is important to get some sealer onto the threads-use a Q-tip if necessary but that is where the seal takes place or leaks. That hard gasket really does not seal well and oil won't soak into it like as if it was cork. The gasket is just there to give you some squeeze movement.

 

Permatex Aircraft is the best for that as it starts out liquid but then hardens to each surface. Often the "ears" get distorted from what Bob described as the chisel/hammer method of tightening and then the plug does not go all the way home. Then you need to get out the file.

 

And thank you Harold!!! 30W non-detergent ONLY-no synthetics or expect leaks. Hank


-------------------- 

From: "Harold Manifold" <manifold at telus.net <mailto:manifold at telus.net> > 
To: "Bob Spidell" <bspidell at comcast.net <mailto:bspidell at comcast.net> > 
Cc: <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > 
Sent: September 28, 2024 at 9:31 AM PDT 
Subject: Re: [Healeys] OD drips 

Don, 

 

I had a leak in the large OD drain plug plug as well. After several failed attempts with magic sealers to stop the leak I discovered the flange on the brass nut had a slight wave. I carefully filed the flange until flat and dressed the OD opening as well. I applied Permatex Aviation Form-a-Gasket to the fiber washer and the bottom half of the threads. So far no leaks. I am using 30W non-detergent oil, synthetic gear oils will leak more readily than the 30W.

 

Lesson learned is there can't be the slightest gap between the flange and the seat. Try assembling dry without the gasket and see if the nut seats all the way around.

 

Harold

 

 

 

 

 

On Sat, Sep 28, 2024 at 8:07?AM Bob Spidell via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote:

I'm having the same problem Don (well, I've always had it, but it's gotten worse). Years ago, when I had the gearbox/OD out I'd carefully flat-filed the O/D, as there was some roughness to it, and it seemed to help. But, after the latest intervention the dripping increased. I tried a new gasket and a sealer that's worked well for me in other places--Permatex Seal&Lock--and still get some drips. I can't say for sure, since I don't have one of the old gaskets, but I think the newer ones offered are thinner around the perimeter (not thickness, the width of the 'rim' of the gasket; i.e. OD minus ID). That could be part of the problem, plus those fiber washers, used elsewhere, are always tricky to get a good seal (S.U. went from the fiber gaskets to O-rings on their fuel pumps--you don't suppose?). Soaking with a light oil before installing helps; I don't recall if I did that last attempt. 

I have a 'correct tool' as well, but it's still hard to get a lot of torque on the brass nut in situ. Back in the day, I'd take a drift and a 2-lb hammer to it, but since getting a new plug I'm loathe to do that (but in desperation I might try it). Another alternative would be to forgo the gasket and just use the sealant, which worked well to seal a mis-sized plug on an 'uprated' water pump (thanks Steve K.). But, it could be that that sealant may not work as well on an oily surface (hard to get all oil off the hole as it keeps dripping for days). 

Bob

On 9/28/2024 6:45 AM, Don via Healeys wrote:

Good morning all 
    Two days ago I installed a new washer on the large brass drain plug on the 67 BJ8 . Filled the transmission up . Looked at it in the morning and it had drips on the bottom of the plug . So I used the correct tool and tried to tighten it up . Then this morning looked again and there was those drips. When I installed it the surface didn?t look gouged or anything. So what?s the fix to stop the drips ?  Remove the big brass plug , get a new gasket for it , apply some kind of gasket sealer on the gasket, reinstall it and tighten as needed? Maybe add two gaskets ? 
      Thanks as always, Don 
Sent from my iPhone
 

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From bspidell at comcast.net  Mon Sep 30 22:34:28 2024
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2024 21:34:28 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] APT
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I just noticed that APT (aptfast.com) appears to have thrown in the 
towel. That's a shame; it was a good source of performance parts and 
doo-dads.

bs