From warthodson at aol.com  Fri Sep  1 08:24:37 2023
From: warthodson at aol.com (warthodson at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 14:24:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Oil pressure gage fitting
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 Surely, someone has the specs on this adaptor?Gary Hodson?
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 06:06:57 PM CDT, warthodson--- via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 What are the thread specifications for the adapter/fitting between the block & the oil press. gage flex line on a 100?I would like to know the TPI, thread form, and are the threads straight or tapered & anything else important that I forgot to ask about.Thanks,Gary Hodson
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From rct2bnc at aol.com  Fri Sep  1 11:17:06 2023
From: rct2bnc at aol.com (rct2bnc at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 17:17:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Correct diameter Petroflex fuel lines
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I am in the process of replacing fuel lines on 2 Healeys. The original ones seem to be approx 9/16" OD. However, the recently purchased replacements are 11/16" and seem out of place.
Does anyone know of a supplier that has the older versions that also do not have a color stripe in the outer weave?
Thanks
Ben CohenTucson AZ
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From coudesluijs at chello.nl  Sat Sep  2 01:40:35 2023
From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2023 09:40:35 +0200
Subject: [Healeys] Oil pressure gage fitting
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AFAIAC these fittings are always BSP,? usually tapered male, parallel 
female threads. BSP fittings and adaptors are cheap and widely available 
in e.g. DIY shops or plumbers, at least in EU, but I also saw these in 
in US hardware shops.
BSP (UK) threads are similar to NPT (USA) but the top angle of the 
thread profile is 55degrees for BSP and 60degrees for NPT. You usually 
can feel the difference as BSP has a rounded top while the NPT has a 
flatttened top that feels sharper.


Op 1-9-2023 om 16:24 schreef warthodson--- via Healeys:
> Surely, someone has the specs on this adaptor?
> Gary Hodson
>
> On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 06:06:57 PM CDT, warthodson--- via 
> Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> What are the thread specifications for the adapter/fitting between the 
> block & the oil press. gage flex line on a 100?
> I would like to know the TPI, thread form, and are the threads 
> straight or tapered & anything else important that I forgot to ask about.
> Thanks,
> Gary Hodson
>
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From manifold at telus.net  Sat Sep  2 09:58:52 2023
From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2023 08:58:52 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Oil pressure gage fitting
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Hello,

I have a spare one of these adapters but it came off of a 3000 engine from
a MkI and it might be different from what was used on the 100.

Here are the specs. Small side that threads into the block is 1/8" BSPT -
tapered thread 28 TPI. The large side is 1/4 BSPP - parallel thread 19 TPI.
Note that NPT may be close in size but has a different thread form than
BSP. I made mistakes identifying fittings when I started restoring my car
and learned the hard way to measure twice. All of the pipe and tubing
fittings on my car were either BSPT or BSPP.

I hope this helps.... Harold

On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 1:58?AM Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> AFAIAC these fittings are always BSP,  usually tapered male, parallel
> female threads. BSP fittings and adaptors are cheap and widely available in
> e.g. DIY shops or plumbers, at least in EU, but I also saw these in in US
> hardware shops.
> BSP (UK) threads are similar to NPT (USA) but the top angle of the thread
> profile is 55degrees for BSP and 60degrees for NPT. You usually can feel
> the difference as BSP has a rounded top while the NPT has a flatttened top
> that feels sharper.
>
>
> Op 1-9-2023 om 16:24 schreef warthodson--- via Healeys:
>
> Surely, someone has the specs on this adaptor?
> Gary Hodson
>
> On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 06:06:57 PM CDT, warthodson--- via
> Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> What are the thread specifications for the adapter/fitting between the
> block & the oil press. gage flex line on a 100?
> I would like to know the TPI, thread form, and are the threads straight or
> tapered & anything else important that I forgot to ask about.
> Thanks,
> Gary Hodson
>
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Sat Sep  2 12:13:24 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2023 14:13:24 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Oil pressure gage fitting
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I noticed that the gauge line adaptor on the 100 has a different part
number from that on the 6 cylinder engines 6K22 and 1G1814.
The 100 engine is all BS threads whereas the 6's are Unified threads.
My guess is that the parts are not interchangeable.

M


On Sat., Sep. 2, 2023, 12:24 p.m. Harold Manifold, <manifold at telus.net>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have a spare one of these adapters but it came off of a 3000 engine from
> a MkI and it might be different from what was used on the 100.
>
> Here are the specs. Small side that threads into the block is 1/8" BSPT -
> tapered thread 28 TPI. The large side is 1/4 BSPP - parallel thread 19 TPI.
> Note that NPT may be close in size but has a different thread form than
> BSP. I made mistakes identifying fittings when I started restoring my car
> and learned the hard way to measure twice. All of the pipe and tubing
> fittings on my car were either BSPT or BSPP.
>
> I hope this helps.... Harold
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 1:58?AM Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> AFAIAC these fittings are always BSP,  usually tapered male, parallel
>> female threads. BSP fittings and adaptors are cheap and widely available in
>> e.g. DIY shops or plumbers, at least in EU, but I also saw these in in US
>> hardware shops.
>> BSP (UK) threads are similar to NPT (USA) but the top angle of the thread
>> profile is 55degrees for BSP and 60degrees for NPT. You usually can feel
>> the difference as BSP has a rounded top while the NPT has a flatttened top
>> that feels sharper.
>>
>>
>> Op 1-9-2023 om 16:24 schreef warthodson--- via Healeys:
>>
>> Surely, someone has the specs on this adaptor?
>> Gary Hodson
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 06:06:57 PM CDT, warthodson--- via
>> Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> What are the thread specifications for the adapter/fitting between the
>> block & the oil press. gage flex line on a 100?
>> I would like to know the TPI, thread form, and are the threads straight
>> or tapered & anything else important that I forgot to ask about.
>> Thanks,
>> Gary Hodson
>>
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Sat Sep  2 14:56:17 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2023 13:56:17 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] [O/T] Parts ain't parts ...
Message-ID: <1ae88f0f-2ea8-bb11-1af2-c0bedebb164e@comcast.net>

It's not just Healey parts ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkOk7uKDMBQ

From ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz  Sat Sep  2 23:42:29 2023
From: ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz (Mark Donaldson)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2023 17:42:29 +1200
Subject: [Healeys] Oil pressure gage fitting
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Gary,

 

The oil pipe line adaptor on the 100 is different to the 6-cylinder Healeys.

They are a smaller fitting with a tapered BSP fit into the block.

 

The one on the Hundred is a different beast.

It is larger ? ? inch and has straight sides, both ends.  I?ve misplaced my thread gauge but I reckon it might be BSF ? 16 tpi.

As it is not pipe thread it has a copper crush washer between the adaptor and the block.

The side with the restrictor hole goes into the block.

 

Cheers

Mark

 

Ardmore

NZ

 

          

 

From: warthodson at aol.com <warthodson at aol.com> 
Sent: Saturday, 2 September 2023 2:25 AM
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil pressure gage fitting

 

Surely, someone has the specs on this adaptor?

Gary Hodson 

 

On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 06:06:57 PM CDT, warthodson--- via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

 

 

What are the thread specifications for the adapter/fitting between the block & the oil press. gage flex line on a 100?

I would like to know the TPI, thread form, and are the threads straight or tapered & anything else important that I forgot to ask about.

Thanks,

Gary Hodson

 

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From rchaskell at earthlink.net  Sun Sep  3 06:58:48 2023
From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2023 08:58:48 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] 100M on BAT
Message-ID: <903aba5f-b17c-c8ad-06a6-3c8df86f88e8@earthlink.net>

Looks like Bill Meade's 100M is on BAT now.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1956-austin-healey-100m-bn2-roadster-25/

-- 
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From tomfelts at windstream.net  Sun Sep  3 09:06:36 2023
From: tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2023 11:06:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Healeys] Am I on track, or crazy:)
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or just not use that wire---which is what I'll do. I can still use the cutoff switch to open the curcuit 


From: "Mike Sinclair" <phoenix722 at comcast.net> 
To: "healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 1:46:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Am I on track, or crazy:) 



My anti-theft wire is disconnected at both ends, and using an ohmmeter, both ends go to ground. A good To-Do item! Probably easiest to just run a new wire. 

Mike 
On 8/31/23 7:06 AM, Michael Salter via Healeys wrote: 



Yes Tom, I had a similar experience with a BJ8 on a delivery journey to its new owner. 
We had stuffed the boot full of my tool kit, our bags and all the spares and paraphernalia that came with the car. 
On the second day of the the journey the car died after going over a small bump on the highway. 
After extracting my tool kit from the boot, in order to diagnose the problem, the car immediately restarted. 
We repeated this exercise a couple of times over many miles before I figured out the process of taking the tool kit out of where it was stored in the right side of the boot was preventing the small white with black wire, that had become disconnected from the master switch, from grounding out on the inside of rear shroud. 
A real head scratcher for a while!! 

M 

On Thu., Aug. 31, 2023, 9:52 a.m. Tom Felts via Healeys, < [ mailto:healeys at autox.team.net | healeys at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

OK---2 months ago, my BJ8 decided to shut off while I was driving----couldn't figure out why while sitting beside the road so had her towed home. Long story short--in the process of troubleshooting I have replaced may things--the coil, VR, fuel pump, ignition switch. cleaned the carbs--blew out the fuel lines, changed fuel filter (i have removed the internal filter and added an external one) . I THOUGHT that after the ignition switch was changed that I had found the problem--she ran beautifully for over a month. 

BUT----------2 days ago while driving------she shut down----sputtered for a short time them off----wouldn't start. AAA Tow home again. 

So I had another thought-------and this focuses on the theory that it is electrical. My thought was that maybe the cut-off switch had an internal problem such that it would open the wire leading from it to the coil. If it did, it would shut it down. The system would still be grounded through the many cut off switch. So, I disconnected the wire leading to the coil ( it doesn't need that anyway)-----and she has been purring ever since. Am I dreaming---or is this a possible cause? Is my thinking correct? I'm running low on AAA towing passes so don't want to go out on the road to test it yet. 


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From warthodson at aol.com  Sun Sep  3 11:33:52 2023
From: warthodson at aol.com (warthodson at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2023 17:33:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Oil pressure gage fitting
In-Reply-To: <000001d9de29$6de04520$49a0cf60$@xtra.co.nz>
References: <1950836568.2250461.1693429036086.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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 Thanks to everyone who replied to my inquiry. Mark, your photos are very helpful! I did not know the fitting had a restrictor in it.Gary?
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 12:42:35 AM CDT, Mark Donaldson <ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz> wrote:  
 
 
Gary,

 ?

The oil pipe line adaptor on the 100 is different to the 6-cylinder Healeys.

They are a smaller fitting with a tapered BSP fit into the block.

 ?

The one on the Hundred is a different beast.

It is larger ? ? inch and has straight sides, both ends.? I?ve misplaced my thread gauge but I reckon it might be BSF ? 16 tpi.

As it is not pipe thread it has a copper crush washer between the adaptor and the block.

The side with the restrictor hole goes into the block.

 ?

Cheers

Mark

 ?

Ardmore

NZ

 ?

????????? 

 ?

From: warthodson at aol.com <warthodson at aol.com> 
Sent: Saturday, 2 September 2023 2:25 AM
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil pressure gage fitting

 ?

Surely, someone has the specs on this adaptor?

Gary Hodson?

 ?

On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 06:06:57 PM CDT, warthodson--- via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: 

 ?

 ?

What are the thread specifications for the adapter/fitting between the block & the oil press. gage flex line on a 100?

I would like to know the TPI, thread form, and are the threads straight or tapered & anything else important that I forgot to ask about.

Thanks,

Gary Hodson

 ?

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From bspidell at comcast.net  Sun Sep  3 13:31:16 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2023 12:31:16 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] 100M on BAT
In-Reply-To: <903aba5f-b17c-c8ad-06a6-3c8df86f88e8@earthlink.net>
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I wonder if he'll keep the Registry going?

This is kinda sad; first RH and now BM. I guess there's not many 
alternatives when you get old, the knees/eyes don't work that well 
anymore and none of the kids/grandkids are interested in cars (at least, 
not in 70YO gas guzzlers). I worry about my Healeys; my son's not a 
gearhead and there probably won't be much of a market at all in the near 
future. But, I can't bring myself to part with my M--not as perfect as 
Randy's and Bill's--after my late father and I spent 10 years restoring 
it together.

bs


On 9/3/2023 5:58 AM, Bob Haskell via Healeys wrote:
> Looks like Bill Meade's 100M is on BAT now.
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1956-austin-healey-100m-bn2-roadster-25/ 
>
>


From healeyrik at gmail.com  Sun Sep  3 15:36:04 2023
From: healeyrik at gmail.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2023 17:36:04 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] 100M on BAT
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Strange, I made a comment on BaT earlier today stating that it was Bill's
car, Registrar of the Worldwide 100M LeMans Registry with nothing further
and it was removed from the comments. There's also no other reference in
the description of the car referencing it as Bill's.although there are some
pictures of him.

Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"

On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 9:27?AM Bob Haskell via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Looks like Bill Meade's 100M is on BAT now.
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1956-austin-healey-100m-bn2-roadster-25/
>
> --
> Bob Haskell
> Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar
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From jim at jimbunte.com  Sun Sep  3 16:58:22 2023
From: jim at jimbunte.com (Jim Bunte)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2023 17:58:22 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] 100M on BAT
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Why would that be?

On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 5:17 PM HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com> wrote:

> Strange, I made a comment on BaT earlier today stating that it was Bill's
> car, Registrar of the Worldwide 100M LeMans Registry with nothing further
> and it was removed from the comments. There's also no other reference in
> the description of the car referencing it as Bill's.although there are some
> pictures of him.
>
> Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"
>
> On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 9:27?AM Bob Haskell via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Looks like Bill Meade's 100M is on BAT now.
>>
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1956-austin-healey-100m-bn2-roadster-25/
>>
>> --
>> Bob Haskell
>> Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar
>>
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From healeyrik at gmail.com  Sun Sep  3 17:23:13 2023
From: healeyrik at gmail.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2023 19:23:13 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] 100M on BAT
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I'm not sure. I would think it might bring more money if connected to Bill.
OTOH, some commenters on BaT aren't fans of Bill or the Registry, so maybe
they want to keep them from harming the auction. OTOH, maybe it's some kind
of BaT policy.  I really don't know.  Funny, after removing my post
connecting it to Bill, I posted about the color and the post had to be
approved before it was put on the site.

On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 6:58?PM Jim Bunte <jim at jimbunte.com> wrote:

> Why would that be?
>
> On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 5:17 PM HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Strange, I made a comment on BaT earlier today stating that it was Bill's
>> car, Registrar of the Worldwide 100M LeMans Registry with nothing further
>> and it was removed from the comments. There's also no other reference in
>> the description of the car referencing it as Bill's.although there are some
>> pictures of him.
>>
>> Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 9:27?AM Bob Haskell via Healeys <
>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like Bill Meade's 100M is on BAT now.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1956-austin-healey-100m-bn2-roadster-25/
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob Haskell
>>> Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar
>>>
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From healeyguy at aol.com  Sun Sep  3 18:29:15 2023
From: healeyguy at aol.com (Perry Small)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2023 20:29:15 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] 100M on BAT
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From vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com  Sun Sep  3 23:03:11 2023
From: vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com (Jean Caron)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2023 05:03:11 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] 100M on BAT
In-Reply-To: <CAGfzsZfxxou9LpYi_qR=1PN=y8Yz-=72B9MKQwOY-cT=-0HSXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <903aba5f-b17c-c8ad-06a6-3c8df86f88e8@earthlink.net>
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I do not think BaT wants any reference to an owner's name in comments.

Jean
________________________________
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com>
Sent: September 3, 2023 9:36 PM
To: Bob Haskell <rchaskell at earthlink.net>
Cc: Healey List <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100M on BAT

Strange, I made a comment on BaT earlier today stating that it was Bill's car, Registrar of the Worldwide 100M LeMans Registry with nothing further and it was removed from the comments. There's also no other reference in the description of the car referencing it as Bill's.although there are some pictures of him.

Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"

On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 9:27?AM Bob Haskell via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Looks like Bill Meade's 100M is on BAT now.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1956-austin-healey-100m-bn2-roadster-25/

--
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Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar

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From s.hutchings at rogers.com  Mon Sep  4 00:00:09 2023
From: s.hutchings at rogers.com (Stephen Hutchings)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2023 23:00:09 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] 100M on BAT
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From emmgeeteecee at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Sep  4 00:03:07 2023
From: emmgeeteecee at yahoo.co.uk (David Lodge)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2023 06:03:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] 100M on BAT
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 Might it posibly be that outside of these hallowed pages people by-and-large don't give a fig about a collector car's history or provenance and see them purely as an invetment/museum piece?? 
Just sayin', like.

    On Sunday, 3 September 2023 at 22:32:55 GMT-7, Jean Caron <vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com> wrote:  
 
 #yiv8113047268 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}I do not think BaT wants any reference to an owner's name in comments.
JeanFrom: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com>
Sent: September 3, 2023 9:36 PM
To: Bob Haskell <rchaskell at earthlink.net>
Cc: Healey List <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100M on BAT?Strange, I made a comment on BaT earlier today stating that it was Bill's car, Registrar of the Worldwide 100M LeMans Registry with nothing further and it was removed from the comments. There's also no other reference in the description of the car referencing it as Bill's.although there are some pictures of him.
Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"
On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 9:27?AM Bob Haskell via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

Looks like Bill Meade's 100M is on BAT now.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1956-austin-healey-100m-bn2-roadster-25/

-- 
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Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar

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From healeyrik at gmail.com  Mon Sep  4 07:45:00 2023
From: healeyrik at gmail.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2023 09:45:00 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] 100M on BAT
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Could be as simple as that as Bill identifies himself as the founder of the
Worldwide 100M LeMans Registry in today's comments.

Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick"

On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 1:03?AM Jean Caron <
vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I do not think BaT wants any reference to an owner's name in comments.
>
> Jean
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of HealeyRick <
> healeyrik at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* September 3, 2023 9:36 PM
> *To:* Bob Haskell <rchaskell at earthlink.net>
> *Cc:* Healey List <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] 100M on BAT
>
> Strange, I made a comment on BaT earlier today stating that it was Bill's
> car, Registrar of the Worldwide 100M LeMans Registry with nothing further
> and it was removed from the comments. There's also no other reference in
> the description of the car referencing it as Bill's.although there are some
> pictures of him.
>
> Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"
>
> On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 9:27?AM Bob Haskell via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Looks like Bill Meade's 100M is on BAT now.
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1956-austin-healey-100m-bn2-roadster-25/
>
> --
> Bob Haskell
> Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar
>
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From sbyers at ec.rr.com  Mon Sep  4 12:46:23 2023
From: sbyers at ec.rr.com (sbyers at ec.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2023 14:46:23 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] 100M on BAT
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I had a couple of my comments posted to BaT held up ?for review? without any explanation.  No names were mentioned in them.

 

Steve Byers

BJ8 Registry

AHCA Delegate at Large

Havelock, NC

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of HealeyRick via Healeys
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2023 9:45 AM
To: Jean Caron <vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com>
Cc: Healey List <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100M on BAT

 

Could be as simple as that as Bill identifies himself as the founder of the Worldwide 100M LeMans Registry in today's comments.

 

Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick"

 

On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 1:03?AM Jean Caron <vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com <mailto:vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com> > wrote:

I do not think BaT wants any reference to an owner's name in comments.

 

Jean

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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> > on behalf of HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com <mailto:healeyrik at gmail.com> >
Sent: September 3, 2023 9:36 PM
To: Bob Haskell <rchaskell at earthlink.net <mailto:rchaskell at earthlink.net> >
Cc: Healey List <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100M on BAT 

 

Strange, I made a comment on BaT earlier today stating that it was Bill's car, Registrar of the Worldwide 100M LeMans Registry with nothing further and it was removed from the comments. There's also no other reference in the description of the car referencing it as Bill's.although there are some pictures of him. 

 

Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"

 

On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 9:27?AM Bob Haskell via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Looks like Bill Meade's 100M is on BAT now.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1956-austin-healey-100m-bn2-roadster-25/

-- 
Bob Haskell
Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar

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From tomfelts at windstream.net  Tue Sep  5 13:09:52 2023
From: tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 15:09:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Healeys] Shock mount--BJ8
Message-ID: <931936097.25209166.1693940992221.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>

Years ago I had the right shock mount replaced because of a bad metal tear in it. I'm not even sure who did the job for me. Over the years since I have had bad outside tire wa=ear on that side. I'm thinking that when it was welded on, it was not placed properly. 

So----If I remove it and have it replaced with a new one, how do I do about lining it up properly? 

I've thought about having the alignment equipment hooked up with the unattached shock attached and moving the tire in or out until I get the proper camber then clamping it to the tower and welding. That might be an impossible thing to do with the heavy shock hanging on. Is it possible to measure the good (original) side and place it according to that side? 

Ideas? 

Thanks--Tom 

Other than than that, how to I alignment it properly? 
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Wed Sep  6 08:39:00 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 07:39:00 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Shock mount--BJ8
In-Reply-To: <931936097.25209166.1693940992221.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
References: <931936097.25209166.1693940992221.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
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Great question, right up there with 'What is the meaning of life?' and 
one I've pondered myself.

I know the shop manual has a frame dimensional diagram, but I don't know 
if it precisely locates the shock mounts (I'm to lazy to dig the book 
out right now, and your frame is probably tweaked a bit anyway). All 
I've come up with is make your best guess by, as you suggested, 
measuring the 'good' side best you can then tack weld the mount (you 
should get close and, who knows, you might get lucky). Then, install 
shock and A-arm and GENTLY lower the frame to the ground and check 
alignment. Repeat as necessary then weld it in. I bought the full rig 
from these guys, since I have 5 cars and 2 tractors so it's 'justified' 
(NFI):

https://wheelalignmenttools.com/store/

... and have been happy with it (support is good, and they're based, 
IIRC, in Fremont, CA). I got a 'pro' alignment--with the fancy laser 
rig--for my Mustang and their rig pretty much agrees with it. Camber is 
the easy part, a direct measurement, but caster is a bit trickier. Make 
sure to account for the slope of the floor when taking readings.

I used offset trunnion bushings on my BJ8 and adjustable camber plates 
on the BN2 to set camber at zero, and feel handling is better than 
'book' setting (1deg pos). Caster is less than 'book' on both, which is 
less than used on most other cars, but both track just fine. I set toe 
at just a hair in; but haven't put enough miles on either to see if tire 
wear is improved (you'd need to start with new tires).

Bob


On 9/5/2023 12:09 PM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote:
> Years ago I had the right shock mount replaced because of a bad metal 
> tear in it.? I'm not even sure who did the job for me.? Over the years 
> since I have had bad outside tire wa=ear on that side.? I'm thinking 
> that when it was welded on, it was not placed properly.
>
> So----If I remove it and have it replaced with a new one, how do I do 
> about lining it up properly?
>
> I've thought about having the alignment equipment hooked up with the 
> unattached shock attached and moving the tire in or out until I get 
> the proper camber then clamping it to the tower and welding.? That 
> might be an impossible thing to do with the heavy shock hanging on.? 
> Is it possible to measure the good (original) side and place it 
> according to that side?
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks--Tom
>
> Other than than that, how to I alignment it properly?
>
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From manifold at telus.net  Wed Sep  6 09:29:34 2023
From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 08:29:34 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Shock mount--BJ8
In-Reply-To: <931936097.25209166.1693940992221.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
References: <931936097.25209166.1693940992221.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <CAFP1XCA3XJDGASyh4dxwRsOKCpunOgZvQzo_wqjVrHno3kchYA@mail.gmail.com>

Tom,

If you will be going to the trouble of replacing the shock mounting plates
may I suggest installing Adjustable Front Shock Mounting Plates. They are
available from AH Spares and will solve your camber problem.

https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/inner-body-panels-ibp101-to-ibp286a/mounting-plates-adjustable-pr.aspx

Attached are the Chassis Alignment drawings that should help to locate the
shock mounts. It would be best to have the work done by a knowledgeable
Healey shop.

Good luck... Harold

On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 3:22?AM Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Years ago I had the right shock mount replaced because of a bad metal tear
> in it.  I'm not even sure who did the job for me.  Over the years since I
> have had bad outside tire wa=ear on that side.  I'm thinking that when it
> was welded on, it was not placed properly.
>
> So----If I remove it and have it replaced with a new one, how do I do
> about lining it up properly?
>
> I've thought about having the alignment equipment hooked up with the
> unattached shock attached and moving the tire in or out until I get the
> proper camber then clamping it to the tower and welding.  That might be an
> impossible thing to do with the heavy shock hanging on.  Is it possible to
> measure the good (original) side and place it according to that side?
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks--Tom
>
> Other than than that, how to I alignment it properly?
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From josef-eckert at t-online.de  Mon Sep  4 01:11:19 2023
From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2023 09:11:19 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Healeys] 100M on BAT
In-Reply-To: <8CFD9EB3-0484-4CA4-8035-96B4BEC268FC@aol.com>
References: <CAGfzsZfxxou9LpYi_qR=1PN=y8Yz-=72B9MKQwOY-cT=-0HSXA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1693811479970.1709253.f9f1265b0dbb6358ca62eb3236e31be4d38f4053@spica.telekom.de>

My personal view is, cars of the 50/60s are becomming more and more 
collectors cars and no more drivers cars. Pricewise its getting important 
to have the car in unmodified order, original spec, original colour, etc. 
In todays traffic its not nice to drive an Austin-Healey on motorways or 
long distances with heavy traffic inbetween. The collectors, I do not say 
drivers anymore, are in pensioners age. Most younger people have no 
emotional relation to cars. A car is just a way of commuting, but better to 
use public transport. I see it with my daughter. She has no relation 
whatsoever with cars. She drives when she must, but uses alternartives when 
they are given.
I see it with me. When I go to an Austin-Healey event or weekend, I load 
the Healey on the trailer and bring it to the event. Its fun to drive it 
there, but I really don`t like at all to drive my Austin-Healeys over long 
distances. So I can keep it/them in good original shape. here its really a 
nightmare to go with a classic car on roads through central Europe from one 
congestion to the next.
For holidays meanwhile we have a Mazda MX-5, which gives same or even more 
fun to drive on todays traffic. And it hase all the safety gadgets like 
airbags, ertc. and the engine is a dream. It revs up from 2000 to 7000 rpm, 
just pulling.
So my personal view is, original classic cars may keep their value (not 
sure if I am right), but modified ones will loose a lot. They lost their 
classic appearance and even cannot cope with today`s traffic. The original 
parts are gone, and replaced by Chinese tableware.
I think most important is to keep the original look with all the 
chromeware, right colours for paint and trim and keep the car as they were 
sold in the 50/60s. Time will tell, if I am right.
 
Josef Eckert
Germany
 
 
 
-----Original-Nachricht-----
Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M on BAT
Datum: 2023-09-04T05:51:34+0200
Von: "Perry Small via Healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net>
An: "HealeyRick" <healeyrik at gmail.com>
 
 
 
Listers 
As someone wrote in a song several decades ago there is a time. 

A time to buy and a time sell. A time gather parts and a time to give them 
away. I time to gift a grandson, with your 53 Chevy truck. 
 
A time to part with a BN2, that you have cherished for 58 years , a time to 
wonder what to do, with the yellow modified, 
Time , time, time??
Perry- who is getting old


Sent from my iPhone


    On Sep 3, 2023, at 6:08 PM, HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com> wrote:


    Strange, I made a comment on BaT earlier today stating that it was
    Bill's car, Registrar of the Worldwide 100M LeMans Registry with
    nothing further and it was removed from the comments. There's also no
    other reference in the description of the car referencing it as
    Bill's.although there are some pictures of him.
     
    Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"

    On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 9:27?AM Bob Haskell via Healeys <
    healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote:
      Looks like Bill Meade's 100M is on BAT now.

      <https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1956-austin-healey-100m-bn2-roadster-25/>


      --
      Bob Haskell
      Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar

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From coudesluijs at chello.nl  Wed Sep  6 15:30:55 2023
From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 23:30:55 +0200
Subject: [Healeys] 100M on BAT
In-Reply-To: <1693811479970.1709253.f9f1265b0dbb6358ca62eb3236e31be4d38f4053@spica.telekom.de>
References: <CAGfzsZfxxou9LpYi_qR=1PN=y8Yz-=72B9MKQwOY-cT=-0HSXA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4483d581-9166-4fc2-878a-f5367f0bb3c1@chello.nl>

Because many owners of classic cars regard their cars as an investment 
(more or less) they tend to barely drive the car. Such a pity. I two 
months ago I drove my Jensen-Healey to an event around the Loire in 
France, organised by the British JOC. Participants came from Italy, 
Monaco, France, UK,? Germany, Netherlands. We did around 2000km of 
driving, mainly secondary roads but I also ended up on the Boulevard 
P?rif?rique around Paris in peak hour and at 35C. Two hours in very 
slow/blocked and dense traffic with motor bikes flying around left and 
right in between the lanes at 80km/h. Still I loved the trip. These cars 
are made for driving and enjoying yourself, ok slightly masochistic 
perhaps, but still. They need some mods to do so safely and reliably. 
Much better than have them 100% original but not fit for modern traffic 
and sitting in the garage.

If we do not drive them our (grand)children would not either and are not 
getting used to keep these cars on the road. They would not learn the 
skills to repair and maintain them. They loose interest.

Mazda MX-5, the best British sports car ever, however a bit boring 
because nothing goes wrong with them and modern engine management means 
that you cannot do yourself an awful lot when things do go wrong.

Kees Oudesluijs


Op 4-9-2023 om 09:11 schreef josef-eckert--- via Healeys:
>
> My personal view is, cars of the 50/60s are becomming more and more 
> collectors cars and no more drivers cars. Pricewise its getting 
> important to have the car in unmodified order, original spec, original 
> colour, etc. In todays traffic its not nice to drive an Austin-Healey 
> on motorways or long distances with heavy traffic inbetween. The 
> collectors, I do not say drivers anymore, are in pensioners age. Most 
> younger people have no emotional relation to cars. A car is just a way 
> of commuting, but better to use public transport. I see it with my 
> daughter. She has no relation whatsoever with cars. She drives when 
> she must, but uses alternartives when they are given.
>
> I see it with me. When I go to an Austin-Healey event or weekend, I 
> load the Healey on the trailer and bring it to the event. Its fun to 
> drive it there, but I really don`t like at all to drive my 
> Austin-Healeys over long distances. So I can keep it/them in good 
> original shape. here its really a nightmare to go with a classic car 
> on roads through central Europe from one congestion to the next.
>
> For holidays meanwhile we have a Mazda MX-5, which gives same or even 
> more fun to drive on todays traffic. And it hase all the safety 
> gadgets like airbags, ertc. and the engine is a dream. It revs up from 
> 2000 to 7000 rpm, just pulling.
>
> So my personal view is, original classic cars may keep their value 
> (not sure if I am right), but modified ones will loose a lot. They 
> lost their classic appearance and even cannot cope with today`s 
> traffic. The original parts are gone, and replaced by Chinese tableware.
>
> I think most important is to keep the original look with all the 
> chromeware, right colours for paint and trim and keep the car as they 
> were sold in the 50/60s. Time will tell, if I am right.
>
> Josef Eckert
>
> Germany
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>
> Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M on BAT
>
> Datum: 2023-09-04T05:51:34+0200
>
> Von: "Perry Small via Healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net>
>
> An: "HealeyRick" <healeyrik at gmail.com>
>
> Listers
> As someone wrote in a song several decades ago there is a time.
>
> A time to buy and a time sell. A time gather parts and a time to give 
> them away. I time to gift a grandson, with your 53 Chevy truck.
> A time to part with a BN2, that you have cherished for 58 years , a 
> time to wonder what to do, with the yellow modified,
> Time , time, time??
> Perry- who is getting old
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>     On Sep 3, 2023, at 6:08 PM, HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Strange, I made a comment on BaT earlier today stating that it was
>     Bill's car, Registrar of the Worldwide 100M LeMans Registry with
>     nothing further and it was removed from the comments. There's also
>     no other reference in the description of the car referencing it as
>     Bill's.although there are some pictures of him.
>     Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"
>
>     On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 9:27?AM Bob Haskell via Healeys
>     <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>         Looks like Bill Meade's 100M is on BAT now.
>
>         https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1956-austin-healey-100m-bn2-roadster-25/
>
>         -- 
>         Bob Haskell
>         Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar
>
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From tomfelts at windstream.net  Wed Sep  6 17:16:53 2023
From: tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 19:16:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Healeys] Shock mount--BJ8
In-Reply-To: <db01601c-73cf-edcb-efa0-dc231fd1240d@comcast.net>
References: <931936097.25209166.1693940992221.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
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Message-ID: <1666070146.27096145.1694042213606.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>

So---has anyone here installed an adjustable shock mount? Seems that may be the answer to getting proper camber even if you don't align it quite right. 
Tom 


From: "Bob Spidell" <bspidell at comcast.net> 
To: "healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 10:39:00 AM 
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Shock mount--BJ8 

Great question, right up there with 'What is the meaning of life?' and one I've pondered myself. 

I know the shop manual has a frame dimensional diagram, but I don't know if it precisely locates the shock mounts (I'm to lazy to dig the book out right now, and your frame is probably tweaked a bit anyway). All I've come up with is make your best guess by, as you suggested, measuring the 'good' side best you can then tack weld the mount (you should get close and, who knows, you might get lucky). Then, install shock and A-arm and GENTLY lower the frame to the ground and check alignment. Repeat as necessary then weld it in. I bought the full rig from these guys, since I have 5 cars and 2 tractors so it's 'justified' (NFI): 

[ https://wheelalignmenttools.com/store/ | https://wheelalignmenttools.com/store/ ] 

... and have been happy with it (support is good, and they're based, IIRC, in Fremont, CA). I got a 'pro' alignment--with the fancy laser rig--for my Mustang and their rig pretty much agrees with it. Camber is the easy part, a direct measurement, but caster is a bit trickier. Make sure to account for the slope of the floor when taking readings. 

I used offset trunnion bushings on my BJ8 and adjustable camber plates on the BN2 to set camber at zero, and feel handling is better than 'book' setting (1deg pos). Caster is less than 'book' on both, which is less than used on most other cars, but both track just fine. I set toe at just a hair in; but haven't put enough miles on either to see if tire wear is improved (you'd need to start with new tires). 

Bob 


On 9/5/2023 12:09 PM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote: 



Years ago I had the right shock mount replaced because of a bad metal tear in it. I'm not even sure who did the job for me. Over the years since I have had bad outside tire wa=ear on that side. I'm thinking that when it was welded on, it was not placed properly. 

So----If I remove it and have it replaced with a new one, how do I do about lining it up properly? 

I've thought about having the alignment equipment hooked up with the unattached shock attached and moving the tire in or out until I get the proper camber then clamping it to the tower and welding. That might be an impossible thing to do with the heavy shock hanging on. Is it possible to measure the good (original) side and place it according to that side? 

Ideas? 

Thanks--Tom 

Other than than that, how to I alignment it properly? 





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From vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  6 21:01:18 2023
From: vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com (Jean Caron)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 03:01:18 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] 100M on BAT
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Kees,
You hit the nail right on the head in your first sentence, cars, at least in the price range of an Austin-Healey, should never be purchase as an investment, they should be driven.
They are neither rare or overly valuable, with the 100S being the exception. So enjoy them while you can.

Jean

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Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 4:30:55 PM
To: healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100M on BAT


Because many owners of classic cars regard their cars as an investment (more or less) they tend to barely drive the car. Such a pity. I two months ago I drove my Jensen-Healey to an event around the Loire in France, organised by the British JOC. Participants came from Italy, Monaco, France, UK,  Germany, Netherlands. We did around 2000km of driving, mainly secondary roads but I also ended up on the Boulevard P?rif?rique around Paris in peak hour and at 35C. Two hours in very slow/blocked and dense traffic with motor bikes flying around left and right in between the lanes at 80km/h. Still I loved the trip. These cars are made for driving and enjoying yourself, ok slightly masochistic perhaps, but still. They need some mods to do so safely and reliably. Much better than have them 100% original but not fit for modern traffic and sitting in the garage.

If we do not drive them our (grand)children would not either and are not getting used to keep these cars on the road. They would not learn the skills to repair and maintain them. They loose interest.

Mazda MX-5, the best British sports car ever, however a bit boring because nothing goes wrong with them and modern engine management means that you cannot do yourself an awful lot when things do go wrong.

Kees Oudesluijs


Op 4-9-2023 om 09:11 schreef josef-eckert--- via Healeys:

My personal view is, cars of the 50/60s are becomming more and more collectors cars and no more drivers cars. Pricewise its getting important to have the car in unmodified order, original spec, original colour, etc. In todays traffic its not nice to drive an Austin-Healey on motorways or long distances with heavy traffic inbetween. The collectors, I do not say drivers anymore, are in pensioners age. Most younger people have no emotional relation to cars. A car is just a way of commuting, but better to use public transport. I see it with my daughter. She has no relation whatsoever with cars. She drives when she must, but uses alternartives when they are given.

I see it with me. When I go to an Austin-Healey event or weekend, I load the Healey on the trailer and bring it to the event. Its fun to drive it there, but I really don`t like at all to drive my Austin-Healeys over long distances. So I can keep it/them in good original shape. here its really a nightmare to go with a classic car on roads through central Europe from one congestion to the next.

For holidays meanwhile we have a Mazda MX-5, which gives same or even more fun to drive on todays traffic. And it hase all the safety gadgets like airbags, ertc. and the engine is a dream. It revs up from 2000 to 7000 rpm, just pulling.

So my personal view is, original classic cars may keep their value (not sure if I am right), but modified ones will loose a lot. They lost their classic appearance and even cannot cope with today`s traffic. The original parts are gone, and replaced by Chinese tableware.

I think most important is to keep the original look with all the chromeware, right colours for paint and trim and keep the car as they were sold in the 50/60s. Time will tell, if I am right.



Josef Eckert

Germany







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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M on BAT

Datum: 2023-09-04T05:51:34+0200

Von: "Perry Small via Healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net><mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>

An: "HealeyRick" <healeyrik at gmail.com><mailto:healeyrik at gmail.com>







Listers
As someone wrote in a song several decades ago there is a time.

A time to buy and a time sell. A time gather parts and a time to give them away. I time to gift a grandson, with your 53 Chevy truck.

A time to part with a BN2, that you have cherished for 58 years , a time to wonder what to do, with the yellow modified,
Time , time, time??
Perry- who is getting old


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On Sep 3, 2023, at 6:08 PM, HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com><mailto:healeyrik at gmail.com> wrote:

Strange, I made a comment on BaT earlier today stating that it was Bill's car, Registrar of the Worldwide 100M LeMans Registry with nothing further and it was removed from the comments. There's also no other reference in the description of the car referencing it as Bill's.although there are some pictures of him.

Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"

On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 9:27?AM Bob Haskell via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Looks like Bill Meade's 100M is on BAT now.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1956-austin-healey-100m-bn2-roadster-25/

--
Bob Haskell
Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar

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From vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  6 21:20:22 2023
From: vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com (Jean Caron)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 03:20:22 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Shock mount--BJ8
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I bought a pair from Kilmartin in Australia and installed them with the instructions provided  pretty easy to do if the engine is out of the car.

Jean

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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 6:16:53 PM
To: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Shock mount--BJ8

So---has anyone here installed an adjustable shock mount?  Seems that may be the answer to getting proper camber even if you don't align it quite right.
Tom

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To: "healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 10:39:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Shock mount--BJ8

Great question, right up there with 'What is the meaning of life?' and one I've pondered myself.

I know the shop manual has a frame dimensional diagram, but I don't know if it precisely locates the shock mounts (I'm to lazy to dig the book out right now, and your frame is probably tweaked a bit anyway). All I've come up with is make your best guess by, as you suggested, measuring the 'good' side best you can then tack weld the mount (you should get close and, who knows, you might get lucky). Then, install shock and A-arm and GENTLY lower the frame to the ground and check alignment. Repeat as necessary then weld it in. I bought the full rig from these guys, since I have 5 cars and 2 tractors so it's 'justified' (NFI):

https://wheelalignmenttools.com/store/

... and have been happy with it (support is good, and they're based, IIRC, in Fremont, CA). I got a 'pro' alignment--with the fancy laser rig--for my Mustang and their rig pretty much agrees with it. Camber is the easy part, a direct measurement, but caster is a bit trickier. Make sure to account for the slope of the floor when taking readings.

I used offset trunnion bushings on my BJ8 and adjustable camber plates on the BN2 to set camber at zero, and feel handling is better than 'book' setting (1deg pos). Caster is less than 'book' on both, which is less than used on most other cars, but both track just fine. I set toe at just a hair in; but haven't put enough miles on either to see if tire wear is improved (you'd need to start with new tires).

Bob


On 9/5/2023 12:09 PM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote:
Years ago I had the right shock mount replaced because of a bad metal tear in it.  I'm not even sure who did the job for me.  Over the years since I have had bad outside tire wa=ear on that side.  I'm thinking that when it was welded on, it was not placed properly.

So----If I remove it and have it replaced with a new one, how do I do about lining it up properly?

I've thought about having the alignment equipment hooked up with the unattached shock attached and moving the tire in or out until I get the proper camber then clamping it to the tower and welding.  That might be an impossible thing to do with the heavy shock hanging on.  Is it possible to measure the good (original) side and place it according to that side?

Ideas?

Thanks--Tom

Other than than that, how to I alignment it properly?



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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 07:27:47 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2023 09:27:47 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Concours question BN2 Air Filters
Message-ID: <CAB3i7LLY2WbsFvCZgNHi6UF5jpfXFDcg8Moaje6=67Zm7rpJHQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm restoring the air filters on my low mileage BN2. The front and
back plates of the filter assemblies are still painted with the
original green hammertone paint but there is absolutely no evidence of
green paint anywhere on the perforated grille which covers the filter
elements.
As far as I can tell these appear to have been unpainted mild steel.
Does anyone know for sure whether these were painted?

M

From cnaarndt at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 10:17:45 2023
From: cnaarndt at gmail.com (Curtis Arndt)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2023 09:17:45 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Concours question BN2 Air Filters
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Michael,

Absolutely, they were painted the same Hammertone green. I have restored
two originals that definitely had green paint on the front, back and mesh.

Cheers,

Curtis

On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 7:16?AM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm restoring the air filters on my low mileage BN2. The front and
> back plates of the filter assemblies are still painted with the
> original green hammertone paint but there is absolutely no evidence of
> green paint anywhere on the perforated grille which covers the filter
> elements.
> As far as I can tell these appear to have been unpainted mild steel.
> Does anyone know for sure whether these were painted?
>
> M
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From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com  Sat Sep  9 15:20:28 2023
From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2023 22:20:28 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] Lighter
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What an amazing contraption!

 
<https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/335021796705?hash=item4e00daed61:g:H6kAAOSwMgNk-
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6sw%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4qckLvPYg> vintage automatic cigarette lighter RETRO
VINTAGE CLASSIC CAR | eBay

Looks lethal.if the cancer doesn't get you, the fire will.

I'm not bidding!

Simon

 

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From ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz  Sat Sep  9 17:40:48 2023
From: ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz (Mark Donaldson)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 11:40:48 +1200
Subject: [Healeys] Concours question BN2 Air Filters
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Gentlemen,

This raises a ?change-over? question.

I have seen both Satin Black and Crackle Black on BN1 air filters.

1.	At about what engine number might the change to Hammertone Green been made?
2.	Was both Satin and Crackle black used on the BN1 filters ? or is one  correct, and the other not?

 

Cheers,

Mark

 

Ardmore

NZ

 

From: Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt at gmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, 10 September 2023 4:18 AM
To: Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Concours question BN2 Air Filters

 

Michael,

 

Absolutely, they were painted the same Hammertone green. I have restored two originals that definitely had green paint on the front, back and mesh.

 

Cheers,

 

Curtis

 

On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 7:16?AM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com <mailto:michaelsalter at gmail.com> > wrote:

I'm restoring the air filters on my low mileage BN2. The front and
back plates of the filter assemblies are still painted with the
original green hammertone paint but there is absolutely no evidence of
green paint anywhere on the perforated grille which covers the filter elements.
As far as I can tell these appear to have been unpainted mild steel.
Does anyone know for sure whether these were painted?

M
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From sentenac.rw at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 17:54:23 2023
From: sentenac.rw at gmail.com (Roland Wilhelmy)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2023 16:54:23 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Concours question BN2 Air Filters
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I believe that they had a wrinkle or crackle finish.  #724 did and I
refinished in crackle.
-Roland


On Sat, Sep 9, 2023, 4:49 PM Mark Donaldson <ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz>
wrote:

> Gentlemen,
>
> This raises a ?change-over? question.
>
> I have seen both Satin Black and Crackle Black on BN1 air filters.
>
>    1. At about what engine number might the change to Hammertone Green
>    been made?
>    2. Was both Satin and Crackle black used on the BN1 filters ? or is
>    one  correct, and the other not?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> Ardmore
>
> NZ
>
>
>
> *From:* Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, 10 September 2023 4:18 AM
> *To:* Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* healeys at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Concours question BN2 Air Filters
>
>
>
> Michael,
>
>
>
> Absolutely, they were painted the same Hammertone green. I have restored
> two originals that definitely had green paint on the front, back and mesh.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Curtis
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 7:16?AM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm restoring the air filters on my low mileage BN2. The front and
> back plates of the filter assemblies are still painted with the
> original green hammertone paint but there is absolutely no evidence of
> green paint anywhere on the perforated grille which covers the filter
> elements.
> As far as I can tell these appear to have been unpainted mild steel.
> Does anyone know for sure whether these were painted?
>
> M
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From ah53 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  9 19:02:53 2023
From: ah53 at yahoo.com (jomar healey)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 01:02:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Concours question BN2 Air Filters
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Message-ID: <522917387.7429731.1694307773992@mail.yahoo.com>

 
The air filters on #923 were a satin black. ?I do believe them to be original, though tthe car had the optional chrome valve cover which I believe would have included chrome filters.
Joe    On Saturday, September 9, 2023, 08:35:31 PM EDT, Roland Wilhelmy <sentenac.rw at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I believe that they had a wrinkle or crackle finish.? #724 did and I refinished in crackle.-Roland?

On Sat, Sep 9, 2023, 4:49 PM Mark Donaldson <ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz> wrote:


Gentlemen,

This raises a ?change-over? question.

I have seen both Satin Black and Crackle Black on BN1 air filters.
   
   - At about what engine number might the change to Hammertone Green been made?
   - Was both Satin and Crackle black used on the BN1 filters ? or is one? correct, and the other not?

?

Cheers,

Mark

?

Ardmore

NZ

?

From: Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt at gmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, 10 September 2023 4:18 AM
To: Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Concours question BN2 Air Filters

?

Michael,

?

Absolutely, they were painted the same Hammertone green. I have restored two originals that definitely had green paint on the front, back and mesh.

?

Cheers,

?

Curtis

?

On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 7:16?AM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com> wrote:


I'm restoring the air filters on my low mileage BN2. The front and
back plates of the filter assemblies are still painted with the
original green hammertone paint but there is absolutely no evidence of
green paint anywhere on the perforated grille which covers the filter elements.
As far as I can tell these appear to have been unpainted mild steel.
Does anyone know for sure whether these were painted?

M
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From ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz  Sat Sep  9 19:18:15 2023
From: ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz (Mark Donaldson)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 13:18:15 +1200
Subject: [Healeys] Concours question BN2 Air Filters
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That the BN1s had both satin and wrinkle finishes is interesting.

My June 1956 BN2 has the optional chromed air filters, but a regular painted rocker cover.

 

Mark

 

From: jomar healey <ah53 at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Sunday, 10 September 2023 1:03 PM
To: Mark Donaldson <ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz>; Roland Wilhelmy <sentenac.rw at gmail.com>
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Concours question BN2 Air Filters

 

 

The air filters on #923 were a satin black.  I do believe them to be original, though tthe car had the optional chrome valve cover which I believe would have included chrome filters.

 

Joe

On Saturday, September 9, 2023, 08:35:31 PM EDT, Roland Wilhelmy <sentenac.rw at gmail.com <mailto:sentenac.rw at gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

I believe that they had a wrinkle or crackle finish.  #724 did and I refinished in crackle.

-Roland 

 

On Sat, Sep 9, 2023, 4:49 PM Mark Donaldson <ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz <mailto:ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz> > wrote:

Gentlemen,

This raises a ?change-over? question.

I have seen both Satin Black and Crackle Black on BN1 air filters.

1.	At about what engine number might the change to Hammertone Green been made?
2.	Was both Satin and Crackle black used on the BN1 filters ? or is one  correct, and the other not?

Cheers,

Mark

Ardmore

NZ

 

From: Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt at gmail.com <mailto:cnaarndt at gmail.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, 10 September 2023 4:18 AM
To: Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com <mailto:michaelsalter at gmail.com> >
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Concours question BN2 Air Filters

 

Michael,

 

Absolutely, they were painted the same Hammertone green. I have restored two originals that definitely had green paint on the front, back and mesh.

 

Cheers,

 

Curtis

 

On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 7:16?AM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com <mailto:michaelsalter at gmail.com> > wrote:

I'm restoring the air filters on my low mileage BN2. The front and
back plates of the filter assemblies are still painted with the
original green hammertone paint but there is absolutely no evidence of
green paint anywhere on the perforated grille which covers the filter elements.
As far as I can tell these appear to have been unpainted mild steel.
Does anyone know for sure whether these were painted?

M
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From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 10 02:37:16 2023
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 01:37:16 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Trans Tunnel Cover
Message-ID: <CAL4ZEONaC9mkQR3ssykBD6Aeii6HVrfqdL8hvwQgBWmzW1VDJQ@mail.gmail.com>

I guess I have the wrong gearbox cover for my BN2,  If what I am looking at
in the picture from a 100M build is correct, the cover extends well past
the opening of the rear tunnel cover permanently fixed to the car.  The
fiberglass cover I bought several years ago from one of our suppliers stops
just short of the rear opening leaving a small gap open.  The fiberglass
cover I bought stops just after the square hole for the ashtray.  Do I have
the wrong cover?  Is there an extension piece like a BN1.
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From healeymanjim at hansencc.net  Wed Sep  6 14:45:03 2023
From: healeymanjim at hansencc.net (=?utf-8?Q?healeymanjim?=)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2023 13:45:03 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] =?utf-8?q?for_sale?=
Message-ID: <20230906204503.52357.qmail@server278.com>

have a BJ7 trans with overdrive for sale.  transmission is good, overdrive needs a rebuild.  asking $500 for both.

From josef-eckert at t-online.de  Thu Sep  7 13:37:53 2023
From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 21:37:53 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Healeys] 100M on BAT
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What I actually wanted to say was that vintage cars from the 50s and 60s no 
longer fit today's traffic. It's almost like a horse-drawn cart. You can 
enjoy it in your free time if you enjoy it. But they no longer do justice 
to the actual purpose for which they were built back then. I don't think it 
matters anymore what kind of Austin-Healey you have. A Sprite or big Healey 
is all equivalent. Most formerly original 100Ms have been modified and have 
actually lost their original 100M status. They are nothing more than a 
normal 100 that has also been modified. In my opinion, much rarer and 
therefore more valuable are those that have been kept as close to their 
original condition as possible or have been restored close to their 
original condition with original parts. A car that is not built to the 
original is nothing special and just an old car that has been repaired so 
that it can be driven.
 
I don't want to diminish the value and significance of Bill Mead's 100M, 
but at least in the pictures the car no longer looks original enough to 
still find its fans as a genuine factory 100M. In order to restore the 
original condition, if it is still possible, a lot of effort is required.
 
I've never seen my classic cars as an investment, but a lot of money went 
into restoring each one, even though I do most of it myself, as I 
personally enjoy that more than driving the cars. I'm only handing over 
painting, major welding and gearbox overhaul as to say I'm just not good 
enough at it. Only when a car is finished I actually want to keep it in 
immaculate condition for as long as possible and am very careful about 
driving it and also about any treatment. The value of the car itself is not 
really important to me. In addition to my Austin-Healeys, I also have a 
Morris Minor Lowlight Tourer, two Daimler SP250s (under complete 
restoration) and a Mercedes Diesel (inherited from my father). The SP250 
really appeals to me because the technology is completely different to the 
Healeys, much more special and complex. It is a challenge to bring these 
cars back to their almost original condition, as there are no sources for 
technical spare parts other than in our own network. The SP250s are also 
very different from each other, even though they are only about 2 years 
apart in age. The first is the 18th ever built and has a lot of factory 
improvisation with pre-production parts.
 
 
Josef Eckert
Germany
 
-----Original-Nachricht-----
Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M on BAT
Datum: 2023-09-06T23:54:06+0200
Von: "Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net>
An: "healeys at autox.team.net" <healeys at autox.team.net>
 
 
 
Because many owners of classic cars regard their cars as an investment 
(more or less) they tend to barely drive the car. Such a pity. I two months 
ago I drove my Jensen-Healey to an event around the Loire in France, 
organised by the British JOC. Participants came from Italy, Monaco, France, 
UK,  Germany, Netherlands. We did around 2000km of driving, mainly 
secondary roads but I also ended up on the Boulevard P?rif?rique around 
Paris in peak hour and at 35C. Two hours in very slow/blocked and dense 
traffic with motor bikes flying around left and right in between the lanes 
at 80km/h. Still I loved the trip. These cars are made for driving and 
enjoying yourself, ok slightly masochistic perhaps, but still. They need 
some mods to do so safely and reliably. Much better than have them 100% 
original but not fit for modern traffic and sitting in the garage. 
If we do not drive them our (grand)children would not either and are not 
getting used to keep these cars on the road. They would not learn the 
skills to repair and maintain them. They loose interest.
Mazda MX-5, the best British sports car ever, however a bit boring because 
nothing goes wrong with them and modern engine management means that you 
cannot do yourself an awful lot when things do go wrong.
Kees Oudesluijs
 
Op 4-9-2023 om 09:11 schreef josef-eckert--- via Healeys:

    My personal view is, cars of the 50/60s are becomming more and more
    collectors cars and no more drivers cars. Pricewise its getting
    important to have the car in unmodified order, original spec, original
    colour, etc. In todays traffic its not nice to drive an Austin-Healey
    on motorways or long distances with heavy traffic inbetween. The
    collectors, I do not say drivers anymore, are in pensioners age. Most
    younger people have no emotional relation to cars. A car is just a way
    of commuting, but better to use public transport. I see it with my
    daughter. She has no relation whatsoever with cars. She drives when she
    must, but uses alternartives when they are given.
    I see it with me. When I go to an Austin-Healey event or weekend, I
    load the Healey on the trailer and bring it to the event. Its fun to
    drive it there, but I really don`t like at all to drive my
    Austin-Healeys over long distances. So I can keep it/them in good
    original shape. here its really a nightmare to go with a classic car on
    roads through central Europe from one congestion to the next.
    For holidays meanwhile we have a Mazda MX-5, which gives same or even
    more fun to drive on todays traffic. And it hase all the safety gadgets
    like airbags, ertc. and the engine is a dream. It revs up from 2000 to
    7000 rpm, just pulling.
    So my personal view is, original classic cars may keep their value (not
    sure if I am right), but modified ones will loose a lot. They lost
    their classic appearance and even cannot cope with today`s traffic. The
    original parts are gone, and replaced by Chinese tableware.
    I think most important is to keep the original look with all the
    chromeware, right colours for paint and trim and keep the car as they
    were sold in the 50/60s. Time will tell, if I am right.
     
    Josef Eckert
    Germany
     
     
     
    -----Original-Nachricht-----
    Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M on BAT
    Datum: 2023-09-04T05:51:34+0200
    Von: "Perry Small via Healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net>
    <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
    An: "HealeyRick" <healeyrik at gmail.com> <mailto:healeyrik at gmail.com>
     
     
     
    Listers 
    As someone wrote in a song several decades ago there is a time. 

    A time to buy and a time sell. A time gather parts and a time to give
    them away. I time to gift a grandson, with your 53 Chevy truck. 
     
    A time to part with a BN2, that you have cherished for 58 years , a
    time to wonder what to do, with the yellow modified, 
    Time , time, time??
    Perry- who is getting old


    Sent from my iPhone


        On Sep 3, 2023, at 6:08 PM, HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com>
        <mailto:healeyrik at gmail.com> wrote:


        Strange, I made a comment on BaT earlier today stating that it was
        Bill's car, Registrar of the Worldwide 100M LeMans Registry with
        nothing further and it was removed from the comments. There's also
        no other reference in the description of the car referencing it as
        Bill's.although there are some pictures of him.
         
        Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"

        On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 9:27?AM Bob Haskell via Healeys <
        healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote:
          Looks like Bill Meade's 100M is on BAT now.

          <https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1956-austin-healey-100m-bn2-roadster-25/>


          --
          Bob Haskell
          Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar

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From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 10 11:07:25 2023
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 10:07:25 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] BN2 Trans cover
Message-ID: <CAL4ZEONz6XbvL2ijf2WDZ34BGiGS7i1JNC4ztNZF07=bXRn_xQ@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone happen to have a proper BN2 transmission tunnel cover gathering dust
somewhere in the nether regions of their Healey stash? Out of ignorance I
bought a fiberglass BN4 version of tunnel cover.  It comes up short.
Willing to pay a reasonable amount for it.  Of course I realize my idea of
reasonable may not coincide with your idea of reasonable, but all offers
considered.
Mike MacLean
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From cnaarndt at gmail.com  Sun Sep 10 11:45:30 2023
From: cnaarndt at gmail.com (Curtis Arndt)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 10:45:30 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Concours question BN2 Air Filters
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Hi Mark,

Just because one set of filters was found with satin black air filters does
not make it so. Especially since the owner stated that the car had a chrome
valve cover and these were typically sold as a set with the air filters
also in chrome [I've seen at least four original ealy BN1s with chrome
valve covers and they ALL had chrome air filters too]. The more likely
scenario is that over 70 years, the chrome started looking tatty and the PO
painted them black.

For now, the Concours standards state either wrinkle black on early BN1s
and Hammertone engine green on later BN1s and BN2s. If we can find three
examples of early original/documented cars with satin black air filter
housings, we will definitely revisit this issue.

Cheers,

Curt

On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 10:03?PM Mark Donaldson <ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz>
wrote:

> That the BN1s had both satin and wrinkle finishes is interesting.
>
> My June 1956 BN2 has the optional chromed air filters, but a regular
> painted rocker cover.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> *From:* jomar healey <ah53 at yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, 10 September 2023 1:03 PM
> *To:* Mark Donaldson <ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz>; Roland Wilhelmy <
> sentenac.rw at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* healeys at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Concours question BN2 Air Filters
>
>
>
>
>
> The air filters on #923 were a satin black.  I do believe them to be
> original, though tthe car had the optional chrome valve cover which I
> believe would have included chrome filters.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> On Saturday, September 9, 2023, 08:35:31 PM EDT, Roland Wilhelmy <
> sentenac.rw at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I believe that they had a wrinkle or crackle finish.  #724 did and I
> refinished in crackle.
>
> -Roland
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 9, 2023, 4:49 PM Mark Donaldson <ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> This raises a ?change-over? question.
>
> I have seen both Satin Black and Crackle Black on BN1 air filters.
>
>    1. At about what engine number might the change to Hammertone Green
>    been made?
>    2. Was both Satin and Crackle black used on the BN1 filters ? or is
>    one  correct, and the other not?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark
>
> Ardmore
>
> NZ
>
>
>
> *From:* Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, 10 September 2023 4:18 AM
> *To:* Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* healeys at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Concours question BN2 Air Filters
>
>
>
> Michael,
>
>
>
> Absolutely, they were painted the same Hammertone green. I have restored
> two originals that definitely had green paint on the front, back and mesh.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Curtis
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 7:16?AM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm restoring the air filters on my low mileage BN2. The front and
> back plates of the filter assemblies are still painted with the
> original green hammertone paint but there is absolutely no evidence of
> green paint anywhere on the perforated grille which covers the filter
> elements.
> As far as I can tell these appear to have been unpainted mild steel.
> Does anyone know for sure whether these were painted?
>
> M
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From rmarkovich at aol.com  Sun Sep 10 11:47:28 2023
From: rmarkovich at aol.com (Robert Markovich)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 17:47:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] BN2 Trans cover
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Have you tried Dave Nock at British Cars?in Stockton CA? I got a fiberglass BN2 cover from him in 2016 when I put a Toyota five-speed in my 53 BN1 and it fit perfectly. I suggest measuring the short permanently attached?metal portion of the tunnel at back and then, if you haven?t already, check with Dave to see if any tunnels he has is long enough.?I?ve found him an invaluable resource for all things Healey ?


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Anyone happen to have a proper BN2 transmission tunnel cover gathering dust somewhere in the nether regions of their Healey stash? Out of ignorance I bought a fiberglass BN4 version of tunnel cover.? It comes up short. Willing to pay a reasonable amount for it.? Of course I realize my idea of reasonable may not coincide with your idea of reasonable, but all offers considered.Mike MacLeanSan Bernadino, CA
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From britishauto at gmail.com  Sun Sep 10 17:36:36 2023
From: britishauto at gmail.com (Jake V)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 19:36:36 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] BN2 Trans cover
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Anyone have the measured length along the back of a BN2 steel gearbox
cover? Curious how much shorter a 6 cyl tunnel is since the added length
between a 4 and 6 cyl car occurs in the cockpit.

On Sun, Sep 10, 2023, 3:02 PM Robert Markovich via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Have you tried Dave Nock at British Cars in Stockton CA? I got a
> fiberglass BN2 cover from him in 2016 when I put a Toyota five-speed in my
> 53 BN1 and it fit perfectly. I suggest measuring the short permanently
> attached metal portion of the tunnel at back and then, if you haven?t
> already, check with Dave to see if any tunnels he has is long enough. I?ve
> found him an invaluable resource for all things Healey ?
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> Anyone happen to have a proper BN2 transmission tunnel cover gathering
> dust somewhere in the nether regions of their Healey stash? Out of
> ignorance I bought a fiberglass BN4 version of tunnel cover.  It comes up
> short. Willing to pay a reasonable amount for it.  Of course I realize my
> idea of reasonable may not coincide with your idea of reasonable, but all
> offers considered.
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From healeydoc at sbcglobal.net  Sun Sep 10 20:25:35 2023
From: healeydoc at sbcglobal.net (David Nock)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 19:25:35 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] BN2 Trans cover
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From rchaskell at earthlink.net  Fri Sep 15 09:54:48 2023
From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 15:54:48 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Bleeding brakes
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Are there any tricks to bleeding BJ7 brakes, with the brake booster? Using an ezibleed.  
Have a soft pedal after going around the car twice.

Bob Haskell
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From healey.nut at gmail.com  Fri Sep 15 12:11:09 2023
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 13:11:09 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Bleeding brakes
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If you unscrew the bleeder screws too much, you will get air bleeding back
in using ezibleed.  Only open the bleed screw the minimum to get flow, then
close.

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> Are there any tricks to bleeding BJ7 brakes, with the brake booster? Using
> an ezibleed.
> Have a soft pedal after going around the car twice.
>
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From roggrace at telus.net  Fri Sep 15 13:29:23 2023
From: roggrace at telus.net (Roger Grace)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 12:29:23 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] 123 Ignition
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Wondering if anyone is aware of, or if they even exist, of a source of a
side entry cap that fits a 123 distributor ? This supposed to be a standard
Bosch cap ?
Just trying to keep things looking a little original ...
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From fsufan1952 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 15 15:35:05 2023
From: fsufan1952 at yahoo.com (fsufan1952 at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 17:35:05 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Radiator fan
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So like 7 years ago I bought a Kenlowe fan . Along with a new radiator from AHSPARES 
My car is negative ground with an alternator. I installed it as a pusher on the front of the new radiator.along with a relay . Installed it all and moved on with no problems . I just found out through looking at my orders that it was for a positive ground, not a negative ground. They sell both .  Do I have a problem?  Or if it?s working ok , no problem. Or am I not getting the full benefit of the fan ? I have no problem ordering a negative ground fan . It is a job as we all know to remove the radiator, and the wires and reinstall it all . 
Anybody need a positive ground fan ?
            Don , 67BJ-8 
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From fsufan1952 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 15 16:25:38 2023
From: fsufan1952 at yahoo.com (fsufan1952 at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 18:25:38 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Radiator fan
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Thanks . I?m just thinking are the fan blade?s angle opposite for the fan to turn with a negative power source vs a positive power source ?
             Don 

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> On Sep 15, 2023, at 6:02 PM, fsufan1952 at yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> ?So like 7 years ago I bought a Kenlowe fan . Along with a new radiator from AHSPARES 
> My car is negative ground with an alternator. I installed it as a pusher on the front of the new radiator.along with a relay . Installed it all and moved on with no problems . I just found out through looking at my orders that it was for a positive ground, not a negative ground. They sell both .  Do I have a problem?  Or if it?s working ok , no problem. Or am I not getting the full benefit of the fan ? I have no problem ordering a negative ground fan . It is a job as we all know to remove the radiator, and the wires and reinstall it all . 
> Anybody need a positive ground fan ?
>            Don , 67BJ-8 
> Sent from my iPhone


From roggrace at telus.net  Fri Sep 15 16:46:05 2023
From: roggrace at telus.net (Roger Grace)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 15:46:05 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] 123 Ignition
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Thank you and yes looking for a 6 cyl version ...

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On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 1:25?PM josef-eckert at t-online.de <
josef-eckert at t-online.de> wrote:

> Roger,
>
> There is a side entry cap available for 123 Ignition 4 cylinders, but as
> you said its a Bosch/Beru cap looking different to a LUCAS cap.
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>
> Wondering if anyone is aware of, or if they even exist, of a source of a
> side entry cap that fits a 123 distributor ? This supposed to be a standard
> Bosch cap ?
> Just trying to keep things looking a little original ...
> Tkx
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From warthodson at aol.com  Fri Sep 15 16:49:50 2023
From: warthodson at aol.com (warthodson at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 22:49:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Radiator fan
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 The first thing I would do is determine if the fan is actually pushing the air thru the radiator. Test this with the engine not running. I would hold a piece of paper near the radiator (either side will do) & see which way it moves.Gary Hodson
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 05:32:27 PM CDT, Don via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 So like 7 years ago I bought a Kenlowe fan . Along with a new radiator from AHSPARES 
My car is negative ground with an alternator. I installed it as a pusher on the front of the new radiator.along with a relay . Installed it all and moved on with no problems . I just found out through looking at my orders that it was for a positive ground, not a negative ground. They sell both .? Do I have a problem?? Or if it?s working ok , no problem. Or am I not getting the full benefit of the fan ? I have no problem ordering a negative ground fan . It is a job as we all know to remove the radiator, and the wires and reinstall it all . 
Anybody need a positive ground fan ?
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From ynotink at msn.com  Fri Sep 15 16:50:58 2023
From: ynotink at msn.com (WILLIAM B LAWRENCE)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 22:50:58 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Radiator fan
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These fans are usually not sensitive to polarity, with the caveat that reversing the polarity will also reverse the direction of the fan. Your fan was probably sold as positive ground and meant to be used as a puller. To use it as a pusher it was necessary to reverse the polarity anyway.
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Sent: Friday, September 15, 2023 9:35 PM
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Subject: [Healeys] Radiator fan

So like 7 years ago I bought a Kenlowe fan . Along with a new radiator from AHSPARES
My car is negative ground with an alternator. I installed it as a pusher on the front of the new radiator.along with a relay . Installed it all and moved on with no problems . I just found out through looking at my orders that it was for a positive ground, not a negative ground. They sell both .  Do I have a problem?  Or if it?s working ok , no problem. Or am I not getting the full benefit of the fan ? I have no problem ordering a negative ground fan . It is a job as we all know to remove the radiator, and the wires and reinstall it all .
Anybody need a positive ground fan ?
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Fri Sep 15 21:44:11 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 20:44:11 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Bleeding brakes
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I usually have pretty good results pressure bleeding the BJ8 with my 
homemade cap. My BN2 usually requires numerous voodoo incantations.

On 9/15/2023 8:54 AM, Bob Haskell via Healeys wrote:
> Are there any tricks to bleeding BJ7 brakes, with the brake booster? Using an ezibleed.
> Have a soft pedal after going around the car twice.
>
> Bob Haskell
> '60 AH3000 BT7 (big project)
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From coudesluijs at chello.nl  Sat Sep 16 02:26:16 2023
From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 10:26:16 +0200
Subject: [Healeys] Bleeding brakes
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Air cannot pass the bleeders when unscrewed as the brake fluid is 
pressurised if you use an Eezibleed system. You need a decent flow to 
get rid of trapped air so open up the valves for a good flow until the 
fluid is clear and free of air bubbles, however keep the brake fluid 
reservoir plus extra Eezibleed container topped up after each corner.

Kees Oudesluijs


Op 15-9-2023 om 20:11 schreef Alan Seigrist:
> If you unscrew the bleeder screws too much, you will get air bleeding 
> back in using ezibleed.? Only open the bleed screw the minimum to get 
> flow, then close.
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 11:40?AM Bob Haskell via Healeys 
> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
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>     Are there any tricks to bleeding BJ7 brakes, with the brake
>     booster? Using an ezibleed.
>     Have a soft pedal after going around the car twice.
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>     Bob Haskell
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From coudesluijs at chello.nl  Sat Sep 16 02:32:20 2023
From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 10:32:20 +0200
Subject: [Healeys] Radiator fan
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Check if the blades are rotating in the correct direction with the flow 
towards the radiator (pusher). Also check that the "hollow" side of the 
blades is towards the radiator.
Kees Oudesluijs

Op 16-9-2023 om 00:50 schreef WILLIAM B LAWRENCE:
> These fans are usually not sensitive to polarity, with the caveat that 
> reversing the polarity will also reverse the direction of the fan. 
> Your fan was probably sold as positive ground and meant to be used as 
> a puller. To use it as a pusher it was necessary to reverse the 
> polarity anyway.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Don via 
> Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2023 9:35 PM
> *To:* healey list <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Healeys] Radiator fan
> So like 7 years ago I bought a Kenlowe fan . Along with a new radiator 
> from AHSPARES
> My car is negative ground with an alternator. I installed it as a 
> pusher on the front of the new radiator.along with a relay . Installed 
> it all and moved on with no problems . I just found out through 
> looking at my orders that it was for a positive ground, not a negative 
> ground. They sell both .? Do I have a problem?? Or if it?s working ok 
> , no problem. Or am I not getting the full benefit of the fan ? I have 
> no problem ordering a negative ground fan . It is a job as we all know 
> to remove the radiator, and the wires and reinstall it all .
> Anybody need a positive ground fan ?
> ??????????? Don , 67BJ-8
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From josef-eckert at t-online.de  Fri Sep 15 23:26:04 2023
From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 07:26:04 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Healeys] 123 Ignition
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For the 6 cylinder version there is the top entry cap only in black or red.
 
Josef Eckert
Germany
 
 
 
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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 123 Ignition
Datum: 2023-09-16T00:46:22+0200
Von: "Roger Grace" <roggrace at telus.net>
An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" <josef-eckert at t-online.de>
 
 
 
Thank you and yes looking for a 6 cyl version ...

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On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 1:25?PM josef-eckert at t-online.de
<mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de> <josef-eckert at t-online.de
<mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de> > wrote:
  Roger,
  There is a side entry cap available for 123 Ignition 4 cylinders, but as
  you said its a Bosch/Beru cap looking different to a LUCAS cap.
   
  Josef Eckert
  Germany
   
   
   
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  Betreff: [Healeys] 123 Ignition
  Datum: 2023-09-15T21:52:07+0200
  Von: "Roger Grace" <roggrace at telus.net <mailto:roggrace at telus.net> >
  An: "Healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> >
   
   
   
  Wondering if anyone is aware of, or if they even exist, of a source of a
  side entry cap that fits a 123 distributor ? This supposed to be a
  standard Bosch cap ?
  Just trying to keep things looking a little original ...
  Tkx
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From tomfelts at windstream.net  Sun Sep 17 08:23:53 2023
From: tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 10:23:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
Message-ID: <1287430440.5210296.1694960633388.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>

Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down. Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut down again. I tried many fixes which I will list below. Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed" it. Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this year). 

The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or for a car to pass. 

So here is what I have tried: * new coil * new voltage regulator * new fuel pump * New ignition switch * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside) * Pulled the distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it * disconnected the wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly * replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it was attached properly. 

All this----and STILL o joy. I'm really out of ideas at this point. If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them. 

Thanks 
Tom 
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From gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 17 10:06:26 2023
From: gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com (Richard Collins)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 16:06:26 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
 ever!
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References: <1287430440.5210296.1694960633388.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
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Does it do it only in summer type warm weather ?
If so, I?d say vapor lock of fuel system.
Happens to me in the summer and predicted to happen when water temp on my instruments hit 200 degrees when stopped. Although I have wrapped insulation around the lines leading to the carbs close to the manifold which helped but has not cured the issue. I do have a heat shield but haven?t installed it.
So my cure is not to drive on hot days.

Regards,
Richard C
BN7 #440

On Sep 17, 2023, at 10:22, Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.  Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut down again.  I tried many fixes which I will list below.  Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed" it.  Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this year).

The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or for a car to pass.

So here is what I have tried:  * new coil  * new voltage regulator  * new fuel pump  * New ignition switch  * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)  * Pulled the distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it  * disconnected the wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one  * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly  *  replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it was attached properly.

 All this----and STILL o joy.  I'm really out of ideas at this point.  If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.

Thanks
Tom
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From vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 17 10:13:12 2023
From: vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com (Jean Caron)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 16:13:12 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
 ever!
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Tom,
Just out of curiosity, before all this happened, would you have pulled the float bowl cover off and not refitted it with the serrated washer in its right spot. I had similar situation happened to me several years ago and that was my pfonlrm.

Jean

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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 9:23:53 AM
To: healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!

Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.  Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut down again.  I tried many fixes which I will list below.  Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed" it.  Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this year).

The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or for a car to pass.

So here is what I have tried:  * new coil  * new voltage regulator  * new fuel pump  * New ignition switch  * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)  * Pulled the distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it  * disconnected the wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one  * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly  *  replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it was attached properly.

 All this----and STILL o joy.  I'm really out of ideas at this point.  If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.

Thanks
Tom
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From gradea1 at charter.net  Sun Sep 17 10:25:30 2023
From: gradea1 at charter.net (Hank Leach)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 16:25:30 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
 ever!
Message-ID: <e371d90c88bc47e063be639b952ee4fdc5424c74@webmail>

Spider in fuel cap vent hole blocking free flow of air. Yes, I have
seen it bring a Healey to its knees. Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: "Tom Felts via
Healeys" 
To: "healeys"
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday September 17 2023 8:30:35AM
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
ever!

    Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she
shut down. Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a
while--then shut down again. I tried many fixes which I will list
below. Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and
I thought I had "fixed" it. Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time
once again (3 times this year).   
  The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a
light or for a car to pass.  
  So here is what I have tried: * new coil * new voltage regulator *
new fuel pump * New ignition switch * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled
float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside) * Pulled the
distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it * disconnected the wire
leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the
entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one *
checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly *
replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . *
checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it
was attached properly.  
  All this----and STILL o joy. I'm really out of ideas at this point.
If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.  
  Thanks  Tom
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 10:25:21 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 12:25:21 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
 ever!
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With all due respects Tom this sounds like the perfect situation where my
favorite adage applies.
"*Diagnosis BEFORE repair"*.
The repair system, usually adhered to in dealerships,  of "throw parts at
it until the problem is resolved" is the corolary of that process.
Some questions:
1. When the engine stops have you check for spark at a plug lead?
2. When the engine stops have you checked for fuel delivery at the
carburetors?
3. When you attempt a restart does the cranking sound normal?
4. Does the engine restart after everything cools down?
Almost certainly you will get the wrong answer to one of the above
questions (very unlikely more than one) and then you have something to
direct your attention to.

M



On Sun., Sep. 17, 2023, 11:17 a.m. Tom Felts via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.
> Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut
> down again.  I tried many fixes which I will list below.  Several times
> after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed"
> it.  Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this
> year).
>
> The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or
> for a car to pass.
>
> So here is what I have tried:  * new coil  * new voltage regulator  * new
> fuel pump  * New ignition switch  * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float
> bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)  * Pulled the distributor plate
> out and cleaned and oiled it  * disconnected the wire leading from the
> battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff
> switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one  * checked all the sparkplug
> wires to make sure they were on properly  *  replaced the distributor rotor
> *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the
> distributor to make sure it was attached properly.
>
>  All this----and STILL o joy.  I'm really out of ideas at this point.  If
> anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.
>
> Thanks
> Tom
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From coudesluijs at chello.nl  Sun Sep 17 10:33:23 2023
From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:33:23 +0200
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
 ever!
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Message-ID: <3c2a63d0-c6da-4d2f-a743-7c17dc346fe3@chello.nl>

Sounds like a faulty coil or a bad/broken wire somewhere. Also check the 
engine earth strap and battery switch and connections. What coil have 
you fitted. If the ballast resistor (wire) is still in place it should 
be a 12V ca. 1,5 Ohm coil to be used with a resistor or a 12V ca. 3Ohm 
coil to be used without resistor.

Op 17-9-2023 om 16:23 schreef Tom Felts via Healeys:
> Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut 
> down.? Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a 
> while--then shut down again.? I tried many fixes which I will list 
> below.? Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and 
> I thought I had "fixed" it. Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time 
> once again (3 times this year).
>
> The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light 
> or for a car to pass.
>
> So here is what I have tried:? * new coil? * new voltage regulator? * 
> new fuel pump? * New ignition switch? * Blew out the fuel lines * 
> pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)? * Pulled the 
> distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it? * disconnected the 
> wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed 
> the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new 
> one? * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on 
> properly? *? replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor 
> cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make 
> sure it was attached properly.
>
> ?All this----and STILL o joy.? I'm really out of ideas at this point.? 
> If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.
>
> Thanks
> Tom
>
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From manifold at telus.net  Sun Sep 17 10:45:26 2023
From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:45:26 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
 ever!
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Sounds like you have checked everything on the ignition system. Could be fuel related. What do the spark plugs look like? If the ceramic is black then too rich if white then too lean. Lastly there is the ground wire that runs from the coil to the battery shutoff switch. Could the wire be grounding somewhere? Try disconnecting it at the coil.

Harold

> On Sep 17, 2023, at 9:15 AM, Richard Collins via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ? Does it do it only in summer type warm weather ?
> If so, I?d say vapor lock of fuel system.
> Happens to me in the summer and predicted to happen when water temp on my instruments hit 200 degrees when stopped. Although I have wrapped insulation around the lines leading to the carbs close to the manifold which helped but has not cured the issue. I do have a heat shield but haven?t installed it.
> So my cure is not to drive on hot days.  
> 
> Regards,
> Richard C
> BN7 #440
> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2023, at 10:22, Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.  Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut down again.  I tried many fixes which I will list below.  Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed" it.  Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this year).  
>> 
>> The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or for a car to pass.
>> 
>> So here is what I have tried:  * new coil  * new voltage regulator  * new fuel pump  * New ignition switch  * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)  * Pulled the distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it  * disconnected the wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one  * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly  *  replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it was attached properly.
>> 
>>  All this----and STILL o joy.  I'm really out of ideas at this point.  If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Tom
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From cecil.duvalle at btinternet.com  Sun Sep 17 10:49:10 2023
From: cecil.duvalle at btinternet.com (cecil.duvalle@ic24.net)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 17:49:10 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
 ever!
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Heat shield and moved the fuel filter further forward solved my problems 20 years ago 



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> On 17 Sep 2023, at 17:41, Jean Caron <vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Tom,
> Just out of curiosity, before all this happened, would you have pulled the float bowl cover off and not refitted it with the serrated washer in its right spot. I had similar situation happened to me several years ago and that was my pfonlrm.
> 
> Jean
> 
> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada?s largest network.
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 9:23:53 AM
> To: healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
>  
> Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.  Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut down again.  I tried many fixes which I will list below.  Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed" it.  Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this year).  
> 
> The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or for a car to pass.
> 
> So here is what I have tried:  * new coil  * new voltage regulator  * new fuel pump  * New ignition switch  * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)  * Pulled the distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it  * disconnected the wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one  * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly  *  replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it was attached properly.
> 
>  All this----and STILL o joy.  I'm really out of ideas at this point.  If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.
> 
> Thanks
> Tom
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From healeymanjim at hansencc.net  Sun Sep 17 10:57:56 2023
From: healeymanjim at hansencc.net (=?utf-8?Q?healeymanjim?=)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:57:56 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] =?utf-8?q?contact?=
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george mcharris, contact me off list.

From ah100tech at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 11:10:12 2023
From: ah100tech at gmail.com (john harper)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:10:12 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
 ever!
In-Reply-To: <DS7PR11MB60785FF5AFB151F1FA898928D1F4A@DS7PR11MB6078.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1287430440.5210296.1694960633388.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
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Message-ID: <CAL28cLX2vcKi0OGCw93WCnxu__Js6EacwuUJetsTWC+c2h7H+g@mail.gmail.com>

Have you checked that your fillercap small hole is open?

On Sun, 17 Sept 2023 at 17:59, Jean Caron <
vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Tom,
> Just out of curiosity, before all this happened, would you have pulled the
> float bowl cover off and not refitted it with the serrated washer in its
> right spot. I had similar situation happened to me several years ago and
> that was my pfonlrm.
>
> Jean
>
> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada?s largest network.
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tom Felts
> via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 17, 2023 9:23:53 AM
> *To:* healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
> ever!
>
> Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.
> Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut
> down again.  I tried many fixes which I will list below.  Several times
> after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed"
> it.  Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this
> year).
>
> The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or
> for a car to pass.
>
> So here is what I have tried:  * new coil  * new voltage regulator  * new
> fuel pump  * New ignition switch  * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float
> bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)  * Pulled the distributor plate
> out and cleaned and oiled it  * disconnected the wire leading from the
> battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff
> switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one  * checked all the sparkplug
> wires to make sure they were on properly  *  replaced the distributor rotor
> *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the
> distributor to make sure it was attached properly.
>
>  All this----and STILL o joy.  I'm really out of ideas at this point.  If
> anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.
>
> Thanks
> Tom
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From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com  Sun Sep 17 11:19:52 2023
From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:19:52 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive relay.
Message-ID: <000701d9e98b$2cbcb1b0$86361510$@alexarevel.plus.com>

I am putting a modern relay into my OD relay. Done it before with both the
8-way flasher box and the OD relay. Works well, though this one only managed
+/-10 years. 10 years, but not so very many miles.

Anyhow..it's a really tight fit in there and I thought I might save some
space with thinner wires this time. What does the team think about the
ampage flowing around in there? Is there much and is it constant when the
car's in OD or is it just a short burst to activate the coil and energize
the solenoid? I'm thinking that bigger wires means less space (Harder to
bend into little spaces) and thinner wires means overheating and consequent
problems...

Simon

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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 11:19:47 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 13:19:47 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] BN1/2 PCV kits
Message-ID: <CAB3i7LL+x1aocw3YGPDgFF8xswfmvqnYerRwQA+jheT_e4zHVA@mail.gmail.com>

Due to unprecedented demand (actually only 4 kits) I have done another
run of these PCV kits.
https://precisionsportscar.com/austin-healey-100-engine-oil-leak-solution/
I've had positive responses from the folks that have installed them so
if anyone is struggling with oil leakage problems this is probably
worth a try.

M

From Bispmotala at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 17 11:25:36 2023
From: Bispmotala at hotmail.com (Ulla_Sven Ordell)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 17:25:36 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
 ever!
In-Reply-To: <e371d90c88bc47e063be639b952ee4fdc5424c74@webmail>
References: <e371d90c88bc47e063be639b952ee4fdc5424c74@webmail>
Message-ID: <AS4PR02MB84309635B14B40F143C5CCCFDDF4A@AS4PR02MB8430.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Blocked air supply to tank would give these symptoms. I Have also had a broken low tension lead to distributor looked fine but was loose at the connector.

Good luck You will find it eventually  and please let us know

RTegards

Sven
Sweden

Fr?n: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> F?r Hank Leach via Healeys
Skickat: den 17 september 2023 18:26
Till: 'Tom Felts' <tomfelts at windstream.net>
Kopia: 'healeys' <healeys at autox.team.net>
?mne: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!

Spider in fuel cap vent hole blocking free flow of air. Yes, I have seen it bring a Healey to its knees.  Hank

-----------------------------------------
From: "Tom Felts via Healeys"
To: "healeys"
Cc:
Sent: Sunday September 17 2023 8:30:35AM
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.  Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut down again.  I tried many fixes which I will list below.  Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed" it.  Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this year).

The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or for a car to pass.

So here is what I have tried:  * new coil  * new voltage regulator  * new fuel pump  * New ignition switch  * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)  * Pulled the distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it  * disconnected the wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one  * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly  *  replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it was attached properly.

 All this----and STILL o joy.  I'm really out of ideas at this point.  If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.

Thanks
Tom
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From josef-eckert at t-online.de  Sun Sep 17 10:19:11 2023
From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:19:11 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
 ever!
In-Reply-To: <1287430440.5210296.1694960633388.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
References: <1287430440.5210296.1694960633388.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <1694967551570.2520827.6682d1349cf199c21fd8924bf097c2f1494d44ca@spica.telekom.de>

First you need to find out, if its an ignition or fuel problem. When engine 
starved, check if you have sparks at the spark plugs.
In case you have sparks, its a fuel problem. Otherwise an ignition problem.
 
Josef Eckert
Germany
 
 
 
-----Original-Nachricht-----
Betreff: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
Datum: 2023-09-17T17:35:56+0200
Von: "Tom Felts via Healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net>
An: "healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net>
 
 
 
Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.  
Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut 
down again.  I tried many fixes which I will list below.  Several times 
after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed" 
it.  Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this 
year).  
 
The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or 
for a car to pass.
 
So here is what I have tried:  * new coil  * new voltage regulator  * new 
fuel pump  * New ignition switch  * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float 
bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)  * Pulled the distributor plate 
out and cleaned and oiled it  * disconnected the wire leading from the 
battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff 
switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one  * checked all the sparkplug 
wires to make sure they were on properly  *  replaced the distributor rotor 
*Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the 
distributor to make sure it was attached properly.
 
 All this----and STILL o joy.  I'm really out of ideas at this point.  If 
anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.
 
Thanks
Tom
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From josef-eckert at t-online.de  Sun Sep 17 12:39:43 2023
From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 20:39:43 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
 ever!
In-Reply-To: <3c2a63d0-c6da-4d2f-a743-7c17dc346fe3@chello.nl>
References: <1287430440.5210296.1694960633388.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
 <3c2a63d0-c6da-4d2f-a743-7c17dc346fe3@chello.nl>
Message-ID: <1694975983728.2453392.cc24cd6ddd2cbab15164d1786cfd0ef6a562351c@spica.telekom.de>

Don`t confuse. There is no ballast resistor in the wiring of any 
Austin-Healey. Ballst resistors in coil wiring were invented in the 1970s.
The coil should have 3 Ohm primary resistance.
Josef Eckert
Germany
 
 
 
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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem 
ever!
Datum: 2023-09-17T20:24:12+0200
Von: "Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net>
An: "healeys at autox.team.net" <healeys at autox.team.net>
 
 
 
Sounds like a faulty coil or a bad/broken wire somewhere. Also check the 
engine earth strap and battery switch and connections. What coil have you 
fitted. If the ballast resistor (wire) is still in place it should be a 12V 
ca. 1,5 Ohm coil to be used with a resistor or a 12V ca. 3Ohm coil to be 
used without resistor.
Op 17-9-2023 om 16:23 schreef Tom Felts via Healeys:

    Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut
    down.  Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a
    while--then shut down again.  I tried many fixes which I will list
    below.  Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and
    I thought I had "fixed" it.  Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time
    once again (3 times this year).  
     
    The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light
    or for a car to pass.
     
    So here is what I have tried:  * new coil  * new voltage regulator  *
    new fuel pump  * New ignition switch  * Blew out the fuel lines *
    pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)  * Pulled the
    distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it  * disconnected the wire
    leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the
    entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one  *
    checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly  * 
    replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . *
    checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it
    was attached properly.
     
     All this----and STILL o joy.  I'm really out of ideas at this point. 
    If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.
     
    Thanks
    Tom


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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 12:45:08 2023
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (Al Fuller)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 11:45:08 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
 ever!
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References: <1287430440.5210296.1694960633388.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <CADkpZwFiqVUbMBhDhW2Qp54vDr3=9NFEu6t273r-2X=VqY7VNA@mail.gmail.com>

Tom, what do the basic troubleshooting tasks tell you? E.G., when it stops
is there fuel in the carbs? When it quits is there signal to the spark
plugs? Are the carbs getting air?

________________
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Sun, Sep 17, 2023, 8:22 AM Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.
> Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut
> down again.  I tried many fixes which I will list below.  Several times
> after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed"
> it.  Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this
> year).
>
> The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or
> for a car to pass.
>
> So here is what I have tried:  * new coil  * new voltage regulator  * new
> fuel pump  * New ignition switch  * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float
> bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)  * Pulled the distributor plate
> out and cleaned and oiled it  * disconnected the wire leading from the
> battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff
> switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one  * checked all the sparkplug
> wires to make sure they were on properly  *  replaced the distributor rotor
> *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the
> distributor to make sure it was attached properly.
>
>  All this----and STILL o joy.  I'm really out of ideas at this point.  If
> anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.
>
> Thanks
> Tom
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From jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net  Sun Sep 17 12:54:30 2023
From: jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net (John Spaur)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 11:54:30 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Lubricating brake bleeder nipples
References: <00b701d9e998$6499eb90$2dcdc2b0$.ref@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <00b701d9e998$6499eb90$2dcdc2b0$@sbcglobal.net>

What do people think about putting red brake grease on the threads of the
bleeder nipples to stop them from leaking air while using a vacuum pump to
bleed the brakes?

 

John Spaur

'62 BT7

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From pollpete at ix.netcom.com  Sun Sep 17 13:47:02 2023
From: pollpete at ix.netcom.com (P.M. Pollock)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 12:47:02 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
 ever!
In-Reply-To: <1287430440.5210296.1694960633388.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
References: <1287430440.5210296.1694960633388.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <f33ba646-759e-b671-682a-d767713c9d0c@ix.netcom.com>

Tom,

Try a different battery.
I had precisely your experience.? Turned out to be latent damage from having 
been rear-ended several months before.? Just by blind luck - early on before I 
started down a rabbit hole like yours - I happened to notice an odd little line 
in the Bakelite of the battery at the ground post.? Looking closer there was a 
web of tiny cracks radiating out from the post.? It took months for them to 
develop to where the post would intermittently lose contact once the battery 
fully warmed.?? Car died-? stare at it scratching head for a while (thus 
allowing the battery to cool), starts fine, warms up......repeat.
Come to think of it that may be when I started going bald.

If the battery doesn't fix it, try new battery cables.? (Pournelle's First Law 
of Computers- check the cables.)

Pete Pollock
BJ7
N. California



On 9/17/2023 7:23 AM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote:
> Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.? Let 
> it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut down 
> again.? I tried many fixes which I will list below.? Several times after the 
> fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed" it.? 
> Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this year).
>
> The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or for 
> a car to pass.
>
> So here is what I have tried:? * new coil? * new voltage regulator? * new fuel 
> pump? * New ignition switch? * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float bowls 
> and cleaned them (no debris inside)? * Pulled the distributor plate out and 
> cleaned and oiled it? * disconnected the wire leading from the battery cutoff 
> switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the 
> Pertronix with a new one? * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they 
> were on properly? *? replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor 
> cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it 
> was attached properly.
>
> ?All this----and STILL o joy.? I'm really out of ideas at this point.? If 
> anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.
>
> Thanks
> Tom
>
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 14:47:56 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 16:47:56 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Radiator supports. Another "Concours " question.
Message-ID: <CAB3i7LKor9eS2_-9CNKkr90hm7V2itkCPN+y1pqu9_uaAxWzpQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm working on a very low mileage BN2 and have discovered that the 2
radiator support brackets, one of which has the rubber bonnet stay clip on
it aren't actually black. They are a dark grey actually the same colour as
the industrial shelving in my garage?
These are definitely the original colour and never been repainted.
In this pic one is shown next to fresh gloss black.
Anyone encountered this before?

M
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From phoenix722 at comcast.net  Sun Sep 17 16:19:25 2023
From: phoenix722 at comcast.net (Mike Sinclair)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 15:19:25 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
 ever!
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I had same problem with low tension lead.? Looked fine, but was loose.? 
Took awhile to find.? So many times it's something simple.

Mike

On 9/17/23 10:25 AM, Ulla_Sven Ordell via Healeys wrote:
>
> Blocked air supply to tank would give these symptoms. I Have also had 
> a broken low tension lead to distributor looked fine but was loose at 
> the connector.
>
> Good luck You will find it eventually ?and please let us know
>
> RTegards
>
> Sven
>
> Sweden
>
> *Fr?n:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *F?r *Hank Leach via 
> Healeys
> *Skickat:* den 17 september 2023 18:26
> *Till:* 'Tom Felts' <tomfelts at windstream.net>
> *Kopia:* 'healeys' <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *?mne:* Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown 
> problem ever!
>
> Spider in fuel cap vent hole blocking free flow of air. Yes, I have 
> seen it bring a Healey to its knees.? Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> From: "Tom Felts via Healeys"
> To: "healeys"
> Cc:
> Sent: Sunday September 17 2023 8:30:35AM
> Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
>
> Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut 
> down.? Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a 
> while--then shut down again.? I tried many fixes which I will list 
> below.? Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and 
> I thought I had "fixed" it.? Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time 
> once again (3 times this year).
>
> The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light 
> or for a car to pass.
>
> So here is what I have tried:? * new coil? * new voltage regulator? * 
> new fuel pump? * New ignition switch? * Blew out the fuel lines * 
> pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)? * Pulled the 
> distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it? * disconnected the 
> wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed 
> the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new 
> one * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on 
> properly? *? replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor 
> cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make 
> sure it was attached properly.
>
> ?All this----and STILL o joy.? I'm really out of ideas at this point.? 
> If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
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From tld6008 at mchsi.com  Sun Sep 17 17:07:00 2023
From: tld6008 at mchsi.com (Tim Davis BN7)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 19:07:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
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My first thought was condenser but I see you mention pertronix so maybe this doesn't apply. What about trying a stock distributor?

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   1. Re: 123 Ignition (josef-eckert at t-online.de)
   2. The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
      (Tom Felts)
   3. Re: The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
      (Richard Collins)
   4. Re: The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
      (Jean Caron)
   5. Re: The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
      (Hank Leach)
   6. Re: The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
      (Michael Salter)
   7. Re: The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
      (Kees Oudesluijs)
   8. Re: The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
      (Harold Manifold)
   9. Re: The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
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  11. Re: The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
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  12. Overdrive relay. (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com)
  13. BN1/2 PCV kits (Michael Salter)
  14. Re: The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 07:26:04 +0200 (CEST)
From: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" <josef-eckert at t-online.de>
To: Roger Grace <roggrace at telus.net>
Cc: "Healey, Forum" <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 123 Ignition
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For the 6 cylinder version there is the top entry cap only in black or red.
 
Josef Eckert
Germany
 
 
 
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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 123 Ignition
Datum: 2023-09-16T00:46:22+0200
Von: "Roger Grace" <roggrace at telus.net>
An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" <josef-eckert at t-online.de>
 
 
 
Thank you and yes looking for a 6 cyl version ...

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On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 1:25?PM josef-eckert at t-online.de
<mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de> <josef-eckert at t-online.de
<mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de> > wrote:
  Roger,
  There is a side entry cap available for 123 Ignition 4 cylinders, but as
  you said its a Bosch/Beru cap looking different to a LUCAS cap.
   
  Josef Eckert
  Germany
   
   
   
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  Betreff: [Healeys] 123 Ignition
  Datum: 2023-09-15T21:52:07+0200
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  An: "Healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> >
   
   
   
  Wondering if anyone is aware of, or if they even exist, of a source of a
  side entry cap that fits a 123 distributor ? This supposed to be a
  standard Bosch cap ?
  Just trying to keep things looking a little original ...
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 10:23:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Felts <tomfelts at windstream.net>
To: healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
	ever!
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Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down. Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut down again. I tried many fixes which I will list below. Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed" it. Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this year). 

The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or for a car to pass. 

So here is what I have tried: * new coil * new voltage regulator * new fuel pump * New ignition switch * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside) * Pulled the distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it * disconnected the wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly * replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it was attached properly. 

All this----and STILL o joy. I'm really out of ideas at this point. If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them. 

Thanks 
Tom 
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 16:06:26 +0000
From: Richard Collins <gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com>
To: Tom Felts <tomfelts at windstream.net>
Cc: healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown
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Does it do it only in summer type warm weather ?
If so, I?d say vapor lock of fuel system.
Happens to me in the summer and predicted to happen when water temp on my instruments hit 200 degrees when stopped. Although I have wrapped insulation around the lines leading to the carbs close to the manifold which helped but has not cured the issue. I do have a heat shield but haven?t installed it.
So my cure is not to drive on hot days.

Regards,
Richard C
BN7 #440

On Sep 17, 2023, at 10:22, Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.  Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut down again.  I tried many fixes which I will list below.  Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed" it.  Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this year).

The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or for a car to pass.

So here is what I have tried:  * new coil  * new voltage regulator  * new fuel pump  * New ignition switch  * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)  * Pulled the distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it  * disconnected the wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one  * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly  *  replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it was attached properly.

 All this----and STILL o joy.  I'm really out of ideas at this point.  If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.

Thanks
Tom
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 16:13:12 +0000
From: Jean Caron <vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com>
To: Tom Felts <tomfelts at windstream.net>, healeys
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Tom,
Just out of curiosity, before all this happened, would you have pulled the float bowl cover off and not refitted it with the serrated washer in its right spot. I had similar situation happened to me several years ago and that was my pfonlrm.

Jean

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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 9:23:53 AM
To: healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!

Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.  Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut down again.  I tried many fixes which I will list below.  Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed" it.  Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this year).

The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or for a car to pass.

So here is what I have tried:  * new coil  * new voltage regulator  * new fuel pump  * New ignition switch  * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)  * Pulled the distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it  * disconnected the wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one  * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly  *  replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it was attached properly.

 All this----and STILL o joy.  I'm really out of ideas at this point.  If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.

Thanks
Tom
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 16:25:30 +0000
From: "Hank Leach" <gradea1 at charter.net>
To: "'Tom Felts'" <tomfelts at windstream.net>
Cc: "'healeys'" <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown
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Spider in fuel cap vent hole blocking free flow of air. Yes, I have
seen it bring a Healey to its knees. Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: "Tom Felts via
Healeys" 
To: "healeys"
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday September 17 2023 8:30:35AM
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
ever!

    Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she
shut down. Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a
while--then shut down again. I tried many fixes which I will list
below. Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and
I thought I had "fixed" it. Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time
once again (3 times this year).   
  The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a
light or for a car to pass.  
  So here is what I have tried: * new coil * new voltage regulator *
new fuel pump * New ignition switch * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled
float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside) * Pulled the
distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it * disconnected the wire
leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the
entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one *
checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly *
replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . *
checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it
was attached properly.  
  All this----and STILL o joy. I'm really out of ideas at this point.
If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.  
  Thanks  Tom
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 12:25:21 -0400
From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
To: Tom Felts <tomfelts at windstream.net>
Cc: healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown
	problem ever!
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With all due respects Tom this sounds like the perfect situation where my
favorite adage applies.
"*Diagnosis BEFORE repair"*.
The repair system, usually adhered to in dealerships,  of "throw parts at
it until the problem is resolved" is the corolary of that process.
Some questions:
1. When the engine stops have you check for spark at a plug lead?
2. When the engine stops have you checked for fuel delivery at the
carburetors?
3. When you attempt a restart does the cranking sound normal?
4. Does the engine restart after everything cools down?
Almost certainly you will get the wrong answer to one of the above
questions (very unlikely more than one) and then you have something to
direct your attention to.

M



On Sun., Sep. 17, 2023, 11:17 a.m. Tom Felts via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.
> Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut
> down again.  I tried many fixes which I will list below.  Several times
> after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed"
> it.  Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this
> year).
>
> The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or
> for a car to pass.
>
> So here is what I have tried:  * new coil  * new voltage regulator  * new
> fuel pump  * New ignition switch  * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float
> bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)  * Pulled the distributor plate
> out and cleaned and oiled it  * disconnected the wire leading from the
> battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff
> switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one  * checked all the sparkplug
> wires to make sure they were on properly  *  replaced the distributor rotor
> *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the
> distributor to make sure it was attached properly.
>
>  All this----and STILL o joy.  I'm really out of ideas at this point.  If
> anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.
>
> Thanks
> Tom
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:33:23 +0200
From: Kees Oudesluijs <coudesluijs at chello.nl>
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown
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Sounds like a faulty coil or a bad/broken wire somewhere. Also check the 
engine earth strap and battery switch and connections. What coil have 
you fitted. If the ballast resistor (wire) is still in place it should 
be a 12V ca. 1,5 Ohm coil to be used with a resistor or a 12V ca. 3Ohm 
coil to be used without resistor.

Op 17-9-2023 om 16:23 schreef Tom Felts via Healeys:
> Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut 
> down.? Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a 
> while--then shut down again.? I tried many fixes which I will list 
> below.? Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and 
> I thought I had "fixed" it. Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time 
> once again (3 times this year).
>
> The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light 
> or for a car to pass.
>
> So here is what I have tried:? * new coil? * new voltage regulator? * 
> new fuel pump? * New ignition switch? * Blew out the fuel lines * 
> pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)? * Pulled the 
> distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it? * disconnected the 
> wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed 
> the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new 
> one? * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on 
> properly? *? replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor 
> cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make 
> sure it was attached properly.
>
> ?All this----and STILL o joy.? I'm really out of ideas at this point.? 
> If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.
>
> Thanks
> Tom
>
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:45:26 -0700
From: Harold Manifold <manifold at telus.net>
To: Richard Collins <gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com>
Cc: Tom Felts <tomfelts at windstream.net>, healeys
	<healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown
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Sounds like you have checked everything on the ignition system. Could be fuel related. What do the spark plugs look like? If the ceramic is black then too rich if white then too lean. Lastly there is the ground wire that runs from the coil to the battery shutoff switch. Could the wire be grounding somewhere? Try disconnecting it at the coil.

Harold

> On Sep 17, 2023, at 9:15 AM, Richard Collins via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ? Does it do it only in summer type warm weather ?
> If so, I?d say vapor lock of fuel system.
> Happens to me in the summer and predicted to happen when water temp on my instruments hit 200 degrees when stopped. Although I have wrapped insulation around the lines leading to the carbs close to the manifold which helped but has not cured the issue. I do have a heat shield but haven?t installed it.
> So my cure is not to drive on hot days.  
> 
> Regards,
> Richard C
> BN7 #440
> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2023, at 10:22, Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.  Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut down again.  I tried many fixes which I will list below.  Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed" it.  Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this year).  
>> 
>> The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or for a car to pass.
>> 
>> So here is what I have tried:  * new coil  * new voltage regulator  * new fuel pump  * New ignition switch  * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)  * Pulled the distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it  * disconnected the wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one  * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly  *  replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it was attached properly.
>> 
>>  All this----and STILL o joy.  I'm really out of ideas at this point.  If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Tom
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 17:49:10 +0100
From: "cecil.duvalle at ic24.net" <cecil.duvalle at btinternet.com>
To: Jean Caron <vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com>
Cc: Tom Felts <tomfelts at windstream.net>, healeys
	<healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown
	problem ever!
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Heat shield and moved the fuel filter further forward solved my problems 20 years ago 



Sent from my iPhone

> On 17 Sep 2023, at 17:41, Jean Caron <vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Tom,
> Just out of curiosity, before all this happened, would you have pulled the float bowl cover off and not refitted it with the serrated washer in its right spot. I had similar situation happened to me several years ago and that was my pfonlrm.
> 
> Jean
> 
> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada?s largest network.
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 9:23:53 AM
> To: healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
>  
> Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.  Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut down again.  I tried many fixes which I will list below.  Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed" it.  Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this year).  
> 
> The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or for a car to pass.
> 
> So here is what I have tried:  * new coil  * new voltage regulator  * new fuel pump  * New ignition switch  * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)  * Pulled the distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it  * disconnected the wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one  * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly  *  replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it was attached properly.
> 
>  All this----and STILL o joy.  I'm really out of ideas at this point.  If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.
> 
> Thanks
> Tom
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:57:56 -0700
From: "=?utf-8?Q?healeymanjim?=" <healeymanjim at hansencc.net>
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george mcharris, contact me off list.


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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:10:12 +0100
From: john harper <ah100tech at gmail.com>
To: Jean Caron <vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com>
Cc: Tom Felts <tomfelts at windstream.net>, healeys
	<healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown
	problem ever!
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Have you checked that your fillercap small hole is open?

On Sun, 17 Sept 2023 at 17:59, Jean Caron <
vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Tom,
> Just out of curiosity, before all this happened, would you have pulled the
> float bowl cover off and not refitted it with the serrated washer in its
> right spot. I had similar situation happened to me several years ago and
> that was my pfonlrm.
>
> Jean
>
> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada?s largest network.
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tom Felts
> via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 17, 2023 9:23:53 AM
> *To:* healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
> ever!
>
> Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.
> Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut
> down again.  I tried many fixes which I will list below.  Several times
> after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed"
> it.  Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this
> year).
>
> The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or
> for a car to pass.
>
> So here is what I have tried:  * new coil  * new voltage regulator  * new
> fuel pump  * New ignition switch  * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float
> bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)  * Pulled the distributor plate
> out and cleaned and oiled it  * disconnected the wire leading from the
> battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff
> switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one  * checked all the sparkplug
> wires to make sure they were on properly  *  replaced the distributor rotor
> *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the
> distributor to make sure it was attached properly.
>
>  All this----and STILL o joy.  I'm really out of ideas at this point.  If
> anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.
>
> Thanks
> Tom
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:19:52 +0100
From: <simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com>
To: "'Healeys'" <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive relay.
Message-ID: <000701d9e98b$2cbcb1b0$86361510$@alexarevel.plus.com>
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I am putting a modern relay into my OD relay. Done it before with both the
8-way flasher box and the OD relay. Works well, though this one only managed
+/-10 years. 10 years, but not so very many miles.

Anyhow..it's a really tight fit in there and I thought I might save some
space with thinner wires this time. What does the team think about the
ampage flowing around in there? Is there much and is it constant when the
car's in OD or is it just a short burst to activate the coil and energize
the solenoid? I'm thinking that bigger wires means less space (Harder to
bend into little spaces) and thinner wires means overheating and consequent
problems...

Simon

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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 13:19:47 -0400
From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
To: "healeys at autox.team.net" <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] BN1/2 PCV kits
Message-ID:
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Due to unprecedented demand (actually only 4 kits) I have done another
run of these PCV kits.
https://precisionsportscar.com/austin-healey-100-engine-oil-leak-solution/
I've had positive responses from the folks that have installed them so
if anyone is struggling with oil leakage problems this is probably
worth a try.

M


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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 17:25:36 +0000
From: Ulla_Sven Ordell <Bispmotala at hotmail.com>
To: Hank Leach <gradea1 at charter.net>, 'Tom Felts'
	<tomfelts at windstream.net>
Cc: 'healeys' <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown
	problem ever!
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Blocked air supply to tank would give these symptoms. I Have also had a broken low tension lead to distributor looked fine but was loose at the connector.

Good luck You will find it eventually  and please let us know

RTegards

Sven
Sweden

Fr?n: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> F?r Hank Leach via Healeys
Skickat: den 17 september 2023 18:26
Till: 'Tom Felts' <tomfelts at windstream.net>
Kopia: 'healeys' <healeys at autox.team.net>
?mne: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!

Spider in fuel cap vent hole blocking free flow of air. Yes, I have seen it bring a Healey to its knees.  Hank

-----------------------------------------
From: "Tom Felts via Healeys"
To: "healeys"
Cc:
Sent: Sunday September 17 2023 8:30:35AM
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.  Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut down again.  I tried many fixes which I will list below.  Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed" it.  Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this year).

The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or for a car to pass.

So here is what I have tried:  * new coil  * new voltage regulator  * new fuel pump  * New ignition switch  * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)  * Pulled the distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it  * disconnected the wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one  * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly  *  replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it was attached properly.

 All this----and STILL o joy.  I'm really out of ideas at this point.  If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.

Thanks
Tom
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From sbyers at ec.rr.com  Sun Sep 17 19:05:04 2023
From: sbyers at ec.rr.com (sbyers at ec.rr.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 21:05:04 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
 ever!
In-Reply-To: <1694975983728.2453392.cc24cd6ddd2cbab15164d1786cfd0ef6a562351c@spica.telekom.de>
References: <1287430440.5210296.1694960633388.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
 <3c2a63d0-c6da-4d2f-a743-7c17dc346fe3@chello.nl>
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Message-ID: <001501d9e9cc$29e453d0$7dacfb70$@ec.rr.com>

My ?66 BJ8 must be unique, then.  Although not original, it does have a ballast resistor.  Also, my 1969 Dodge Charger (built 30 January 1969 - original owner) has had one from new.

 

Steve Byers

BJ8 Registry

AHCA Delegate at Large

Havelock, NC  USA

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of josef-eckert--- via Healeys
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 2:40 PM
To: Kees Oudesluijs <coudesluijs at chello.nl>; Healey, Forum <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!

 

Don`t confuse. There is no ballast resistor in the wiring of any Austin-Healey. Ballst resistors in coil wiring were invented in the 1970s.

The coil should have 3 Ohm primary resistance.

Josef Eckert

Germany

 

 

 

-----Original-Nachricht-----

Betreff: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!

Datum: 2023-09-17T20:24:12+0200

Von: "Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> >

An: "healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> " <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> >

 

 

 

Sounds like a faulty coil or a bad/broken wire somewhere. Also check the engine earth strap and battery switch and connections. What coil have you fitted. If the ballast resistor (wire) is still in place it should be a 12V ca. 1,5 Ohm coil to be used with a resistor or a 12V ca. 3Ohm coil to be used without resistor.

Op 17-9-2023 om 16:23 schreef Tom Felts via Healeys:

Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.  Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut down again.  I tried many fixes which I will list below.  Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed" it.  Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this year).  

 

The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or for a car to pass.

 

So here is what I have tried:  * new coil  * new voltage regulator  * new fuel pump  * New ignition switch  * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)  * Pulled the distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it  * disconnected the wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one  * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly  *  replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it was attached properly.

 

 All this----and STILL o joy.  I'm really out of ideas at this point.  If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.

 

Thanks

Tom





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From gradea1 at charter.net  Sun Sep 17 20:08:47 2023
From: gradea1 at charter.net (Hank Leach)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 02:08:47 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Lubricating brake bleeder nipples
Message-ID: <18c5477505f4b634dfc2fadcfc54ec6542ad2a9a@webmail>

Yes, I concur. It will not contaminate the hydraulic fluid and it is
compatible with the rubber parts.I use it-but sparingly. Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: "John Spaur via
Healeys" 
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday September 17 2023 6:42:37PM
Subject: [Healeys] Lubricating brake bleeder nipples

	What do people think about putting red brake grease on the threads of
the bleeder nipples to stop them from leaking air while using a vacuum
pump to bleed the brakes? 

	John Spaur 

	?62 BT7
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From sentenac.rw at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 21:02:07 2023
From: sentenac.rw at gmail.com (Roland Wilhelmy)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 20:02:07 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Radiator supports. Another "Concours " question.
In-Reply-To: <CAB3i7LKor9eS2_-9CNKkr90hm7V2itkCPN+y1pqu9_uaAxWzpQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I would bet that that apprentice charged with supplying paint had some grey
or white paint left over and rather than throw out scarce paint mixed it
into black until it looked black enough.  It was used up by the next batch.
-Roland

On Sun, Sep 17, 2023, 7:52 PM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm working on a very low mileage BN2 and have discovered that the 2
> radiator support brackets, one of which has the rubber bonnet stay clip on
> it aren't actually black. They are a dark grey actually the same colour as
> the industrial shelving in my garage?
> These are definitely the original colour and never been repainted.
> In this pic one is shown next to fresh gloss black.
> Anyone encountered this before?
>
> M
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From healey.nut at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 21:31:03 2023
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 20:31:03 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Bleeding brakes
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oh yes you are correct i was thinking vacuum bleeding

On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 at 2:05 AM, Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Air cannot pass the bleeders when unscrewed as the brake fluid is
> pressurised if you use an Eezibleed system. You need a decent flow to get
> rid of trapped air so open up the valves for a good flow until the fluid is
> clear and free of air bubbles, however keep the brake fluid reservoir plus
> extra Eezibleed container topped up after each corner.
>
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
>
> Op 15-9-2023 om 20:11 schreef Alan Seigrist:
>
> If you unscrew the bleeder screws too much, you will get air bleeding back
> in using ezibleed.  Only open the bleed screw the minimum to get flow, then
> close.
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 11:40?AM Bob Haskell via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Are there any tricks to bleeding BJ7 brakes, with the brake booster?
>> Using an ezibleed.
>> Have a soft pedal after going around the car twice.
>>
>> Bob Haskell
>> '60 AH3000 BT7 (big project)
>> '62 AH3000 BT7 (smaller project)
>> '64 Mini Cooper (small project - by definition)
>> '68 BMW 1600 (first car - project)
>> '80 MGB LE (running?)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From ah100tech at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 02:51:01 2023
From: ah100tech at gmail.com (john harper)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 09:51:01 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive relay.
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Simon

If you use thinner wire to the overdrive relay it will add resistance to
the heavy coil and reduce its 'pull' and this might cause a slow overdrive
engagement. In the limit, it might not even pull the armature high
enough to disconnect the heavy coil which might then overheat including the
thinner wire you are suggesting. This might then be a fire hazard.

All of this might be the worst case and perhaps I am being alarmist but why
modify something that worked? They knew what they were doing when they
originally designed the car electrics.

On Sun, 17 Sept 2023 at 22:03, Simon Lachlan via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I am putting a modern relay into my OD relay. Done it before with both the
> 8-way flasher box and the OD relay. Works well, though this one only
> managed +/-10 years. 10 years, but not so very many miles?
>
> Anyhow??it?s a really tight fit in there and I thought I might save some
> space with thinner wires this time. What does the team think about the
> ampage flowing around in there? Is there much and is it constant when the
> car?s in OD or is it just a short burst to activate the coil and energize
> the solenoid? I?m thinking that bigger wires means less space (Harder to
> bend into little spaces) and thinner wires means overheating and consequent
> problems?..
>
> Simon
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From tomfelts at windstream.net  Mon Sep 18 04:18:28 2023
From: tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 06:18:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
 ever!
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I believe resistors are not used when you are using a Pertronix. Otherwise, yes. 

Tom 


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To: josef-eckert at t-online.de, "Kees Oudesluijs" <coudesluijs at chello.nl>, "Healey, Forum" <healeys at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 9:05:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever! 



My ?66 BJ8 must be unique, then. Although not original, it does have a ballast resistor. Also, my 1969 Dodge Charger (built 30 January 1969 - original owner) has had one from new. 



Steve Byers 

BJ8 Registry 

AHCA Delegate at Large 

Havelock, NC USA 




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Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 2:40 PM 
To: Kees Oudesluijs <coudesluijs at chello.nl>; Healey, Forum <healeys at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever! 




Don`t confuse. There is no ballast resistor in the wiring of any Austin-Healey. Ballst resistors in coil wiring were invented in the 1970s. 

The coil should have 3 Ohm primary resistance. 

Josef Eckert 

Germany 







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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever! 

Datum: 2023-09-17T20:24:12+0200 

Von: "Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys" < [ mailto:healeys at autox.team.net | healeys at autox.team.net ] > 

An: " [ mailto:healeys at autox.team.net | healeys at autox.team.net ] " < [ mailto:healeys at autox.team.net | healeys at autox.team.net ] > 








Sounds like a faulty coil or a bad/broken wire somewhere. Also check the engine earth strap and battery switch and connections. What coil have you fitted. If the ballast resistor (wire) is still in place it should be a 12V ca. 1,5 Ohm coil to be used with a resistor or a 12V ca. 3Ohm coil to be used without resistor. 


Op 17-9-2023 om 16:23 schreef Tom Felts via Healeys: 





Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down. Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut down again. I tried many fixes which I will list below. Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed" it. Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this year). 





The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or for a car to pass. 





So here is what I have tried: * new coil * new voltage regulator * new fuel pump * New ignition switch * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside) * Pulled the distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it * disconnected the wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly * replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it was attached properly. 





All this----and STILL o joy. I'm really out of ideas at this point. If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them. 





Thanks 


Tom 




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From rmarkovich at aol.com  Mon Sep 18 07:21:39 2023
From: rmarkovich at aol.com (Robert Markovich)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:21:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
 ever!
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 Let me suggest changing out the Pertronix coil with a gold Lucas Sport Coil, 3 ohms resistance. Pertronix has had a few coil failures--including mine, which failed on my Healey 100. And especially with the Pertronix ignition, be sure your grounds are all good and battery connections secure, as a bad ground will blow the module on these.?
    On Monday, September 18, 2023, 12:17:04 AM EDT, Tim Davis BN7 <tld6008 at mchsi.com> wrote:  
 
 My first thought was condenser but I see you mention pertronix so maybe this doesn't apply. What about trying a stock distributor?

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? 3. Re: The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
? ? ? (Richard Collins)
? 4. Re: The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
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? 5. Re: The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
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? ? ? (Michael Salter)
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? 11. Re: The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 07:26:04 +0200 (CEST)
From: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" <josef-eckert at t-online.de>
To: Roger Grace <roggrace at telus.net>
Cc: "Healey, Forum" <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 123 Ignition
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For the 6 cylinder version there is the top entry cap only in black or red.
 
Josef Eckert
Germany
 
 
 
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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 123 Ignition
Datum: 2023-09-16T00:46:22+0200
Von: "Roger Grace" <roggrace at telus.net>
An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" <josef-eckert at t-online.de>
 
 
 
Thank you and yes looking for a 6 cyl version ...

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<mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de> > wrote:
? Roger,
? There is a side entry cap available for 123 Ignition 4 cylinders, but as
? you said its a Bosch/Beru cap looking different to a LUCAS cap.
? 
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? 
? 
? Wondering if anyone is aware of, or if they even exist, of a source of a
? side entry cap that fits a 123 distributor ? This supposed to be a
? standard Bosch cap ?
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 10:23:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Felts <tomfelts at windstream.net>
To: healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
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Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down. Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut down again. I tried many fixes which I will list below. Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed" it. Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this year). 

The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or for a car to pass. 

So here is what I have tried: * new coil * new voltage regulator * new fuel pump * New ignition switch * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside) * Pulled the distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it * disconnected the wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly * replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it was attached properly. 

All this----and STILL o joy. I'm really out of ideas at this point. If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them. 

Thanks 
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 16:06:26 +0000
From: Richard Collins <gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com>
To: Tom Felts <tomfelts at windstream.net>
Cc: healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown
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Does it do it only in summer type warm weather ?
If so, I?d say vapor lock of fuel system.
Happens to me in the summer and predicted to happen when water temp on my instruments hit 200 degrees when stopped. Although I have wrapped insulation around the lines leading to the carbs close to the manifold which helped but has not cured the issue. I do have a heat shield but haven?t installed it.
So my cure is not to drive on hot days.

Regards,
Richard C
BN7 #440

On Sep 17, 2023, at 10:22, Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.? Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut down again.? I tried many fixes which I will list below.? Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed" it.? Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this year).

The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or for a car to pass.

So here is what I have tried:? * new coil? * new voltage regulator? * new fuel pump? * New ignition switch? * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)? * Pulled the distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it? * disconnected the wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one? * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly? *? replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it was attached properly.

 All this----and STILL o joy.? I'm really out of ideas at this point.? If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.

Thanks
Tom
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 16:13:12 +0000
From: Jean Caron <vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com>
To: Tom Felts <tomfelts at windstream.net>, healeys
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown
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Tom,
Just out of curiosity, before all this happened, would you have pulled the float bowl cover off and not refitted it with the serrated washer in its right spot. I had similar situation happened to me several years ago and that was my pfonlrm.

Jean

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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 9:23:53 AM
To: healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!

Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.? Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut down again.? I tried many fixes which I will list below.? Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed" it.? Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this year).

The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or for a car to pass.

So here is what I have tried:? * new coil? * new voltage regulator? * new fuel pump? * New ignition switch? * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)? * Pulled the distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it? * disconnected the wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one? * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly? *? replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it was attached properly.

 All this----and STILL o joy.? I'm really out of ideas at this point.? If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.

Thanks
Tom
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 16:25:30 +0000
From: "Hank Leach" <gradea1 at charter.net>
To: "'Tom Felts'" <tomfelts at windstream.net>
Cc: "'healeys'" <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown
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Spider in fuel cap vent hole blocking free flow of air. Yes, I have
seen it bring a Healey to its knees. Hank

??? -----------------------------------------From: "Tom Felts via
Healeys" 
To: "healeys"
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday September 17 2023 8:30:35AM
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
ever!

? ? Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she
shut down. Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a
while--then shut down again. I tried many fixes which I will list
below. Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and
I thought I had "fixed" it. Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time
once again (3 times this year).? 
? The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a
light or for a car to pass.? 
? So here is what I have tried: * new coil * new voltage regulator *
new fuel pump * New ignition switch * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled
float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside) * Pulled the
distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it * disconnected the wire
leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the
entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one *
checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly *
replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . *
checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it
was attached properly.? 
? All this----and STILL o joy. I'm really out of ideas at this point.
If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.? 
? Thanks? Tom
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 12:25:21 -0400
From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
To: Tom Felts <tomfelts at windstream.net>
Cc: healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown
??? problem ever!
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With all due respects Tom this sounds like the perfect situation where my
favorite adage applies.
"*Diagnosis BEFORE repair"*.
The repair system, usually adhered to in dealerships,? of "throw parts at
it until the problem is resolved" is the corolary of that process.
Some questions:
1. When the engine stops have you check for spark at a plug lead?
2. When the engine stops have you checked for fuel delivery at the
carburetors?
3. When you attempt a restart does the cranking sound normal?
4. Does the engine restart after everything cools down?
Almost certainly you will get the wrong answer to one of the above
questions (very unlikely more than one) and then you have something to
direct your attention to.

M



On Sun., Sep. 17, 2023, 11:17 a.m. Tom Felts via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.
> Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut
> down again.? I tried many fixes which I will list below.? Several times
> after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed"
> it.? Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this
> year).
>
> The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or
> for a car to pass.
>
> So here is what I have tried:? * new coil? * new voltage regulator? * new
> fuel pump? * New ignition switch? * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float
> bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)? * Pulled the distributor plate
> out and cleaned and oiled it? * disconnected the wire leading from the
> battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff
> switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one? * checked all the sparkplug
> wires to make sure they were on properly? *? replaced the distributor rotor
> *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the
> distributor to make sure it was attached properly.
>
>? All this----and STILL o joy.? I'm really out of ideas at this point.? If
> anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.
>
> Thanks
> Tom
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:33:23 +0200
From: Kees Oudesluijs <coudesluijs at chello.nl>
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown
??? problem ever!
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Sounds like a faulty coil or a bad/broken wire somewhere. Also check the 
engine earth strap and battery switch and connections. What coil have 
you fitted. If the ballast resistor (wire) is still in place it should 
be a 12V ca. 1,5 Ohm coil to be used with a resistor or a 12V ca. 3Ohm 
coil to be used without resistor.

Op 17-9-2023 om 16:23 schreef Tom Felts via Healeys:
> Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut 
> down.? Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a 
> while--then shut down again.? I tried many fixes which I will list 
> below.? Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and 
> I thought I had "fixed" it. Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time 
> once again (3 times this year).
>
> The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light 
> or for a car to pass.
>
> So here is what I have tried:? * new coil? * new voltage regulator? * 
> new fuel pump? * New ignition switch? * Blew out the fuel lines * 
> pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)? * Pulled the 
> distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it? * disconnected the 
> wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed 
> the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new 
> one? * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on 
> properly? *? replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor 
> cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make 
> sure it was attached properly.
>
> ?All this----and STILL o joy.? I'm really out of ideas at this point.? 
> If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.
>
> Thanks
> Tom
>
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:45:26 -0700
From: Harold Manifold <manifold at telus.net>
To: Richard Collins <gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com>
Cc: Tom Felts <tomfelts at windstream.net>, healeys
??? <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown
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Sounds like you have checked everything on the ignition system. Could be fuel related. What do the spark plugs look like? If the ceramic is black then too rich if white then too lean. Lastly there is the ground wire that runs from the coil to the battery shutoff switch. Could the wire be grounding somewhere? Try disconnecting it at the coil.

Harold

> On Sep 17, 2023, at 9:15 AM, Richard Collins via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ? Does it do it only in summer type warm weather ?
> If so, I?d say vapor lock of fuel system.
> Happens to me in the summer and predicted to happen when water temp on my instruments hit 200 degrees when stopped. Although I have wrapped insulation around the lines leading to the carbs close to the manifold which helped but has not cured the issue. I do have a heat shield but haven?t installed it.
> So my cure is not to drive on hot days.? 
> 
> Regards,
> Richard C
> BN7 #440
> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2023, at 10:22, Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.? Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut down again.? I tried many fixes which I will list below.? Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed" it.? Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this year).? 
>> 
>> The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or for a car to pass.
>> 
>> So here is what I have tried:? * new coil? * new voltage regulator? * new fuel pump? * New ignition switch? * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)? * Pulled the distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it? * disconnected the wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one? * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly? *? replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it was attached properly.
>> 
>>? All this----and STILL o joy.? I'm really out of ideas at this point.? If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Tom
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 17:49:10 +0100
From: "cecil.duvalle at ic24.net" <cecil.duvalle at btinternet.com>
To: Jean Caron <vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com>
Cc: Tom Felts <tomfelts at windstream.net>, healeys
??? <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown
??? problem ever!
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Heat shield and moved the fuel filter further forward solved my problems 20 years ago 



Sent from my iPhone

> On 17 Sep 2023, at 17:41, Jean Caron <vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Tom,
> Just out of curiosity, before all this happened, would you have pulled the float bowl cover off and not refitted it with the serrated washer in its right spot. I had similar situation happened to me several years ago and that was my pfonlrm.
> 
> Jean
> 
> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada?s largest network.
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 9:23:53 AM
> To: healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
>? 
> Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.? Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut down again.? I tried many fixes which I will list below.? Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed" it.? Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this year).? 
> 
> The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or for a car to pass.
> 
> So here is what I have tried:? * new coil? * new voltage regulator? * new fuel pump? * New ignition switch? * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)? * Pulled the distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it? * disconnected the wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one? * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly? *? replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it was attached properly.
> 
>? All this----and STILL o joy.? I'm really out of ideas at this point.? If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.
> 
> Thanks
> Tom
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:57:56 -0700
From: "=?utf-8?Q?healeymanjim?=" <healeymanjim at hansencc.net>
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george mcharris, contact me off list.


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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:10:12 +0100
From: john harper <ah100tech at gmail.com>
To: Jean Caron <vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com>
Cc: Tom Felts <tomfelts at windstream.net>, healeys
??? <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown
??? problem ever!
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Have you checked that your fillercap small hole is open?

On Sun, 17 Sept 2023 at 17:59, Jean Caron <
vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Tom,
> Just out of curiosity, before all this happened, would you have pulled the
> float bowl cover off and not refitted it with the serrated washer in its
> right spot. I had similar situation happened to me several years ago and
> that was my pfonlrm.
>
> Jean
>
> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada?s largest network.
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tom Felts
> via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 17, 2023 9:23:53 AM
> *To:* healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
> ever!
>
> Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.
> Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut
> down again.? I tried many fixes which I will list below.? Several times
> after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed"
> it.? Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this
> year).
>
> The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or
> for a car to pass.
>
> So here is what I have tried:? * new coil? * new voltage regulator? * new
> fuel pump? * New ignition switch? * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float
> bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)? * Pulled the distributor plate
> out and cleaned and oiled it? * disconnected the wire leading from the
> battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff
> switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one? * checked all the sparkplug
> wires to make sure they were on properly? *? replaced the distributor rotor
> *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the
> distributor to make sure it was attached properly.
>
>? All this----and STILL o joy.? I'm really out of ideas at this point.? If
> anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.
>
> Thanks
> Tom
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:19:52 +0100
From: <simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com>
To: "'Healeys'" <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive relay.
Message-ID: <000701d9e98b$2cbcb1b0$86361510$@alexarevel.plus.com>
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I am putting a modern relay into my OD relay. Done it before with both the
8-way flasher box and the OD relay. Works well, though this one only managed
+/-10 years. 10 years, but not so very many miles.

Anyhow..it's a really tight fit in there and I thought I might save some
space with thinner wires this time. What does the team think about the
ampage flowing around in there? Is there much and is it constant when the
car's in OD or is it just a short burst to activate the coil and energize
the solenoid? I'm thinking that bigger wires means less space (Harder to
bend into little spaces) and thinner wires means overheating and consequent
problems...

Simon

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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 13:19:47 -0400
From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
To: "healeys at autox.team.net" <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] BN1/2 PCV kits
Message-ID:
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Due to unprecedented demand (actually only 4 kits) I have done another
run of these PCV kits.
https://precisionsportscar.com/austin-healey-100-engine-oil-leak-solution/
I've had positive responses from the folks that have installed them so
if anyone is struggling with oil leakage problems this is probably
worth a try.

M


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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 17:25:36 +0000
From: Ulla_Sven Ordell <Bispmotala at hotmail.com>
To: Hank Leach <gradea1 at charter.net>, 'Tom Felts'
??? <tomfelts at windstream.net>
Cc: 'healeys' <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown
??? problem ever!
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Blocked air supply to tank would give these symptoms. I Have also had a broken low tension lead to distributor looked fine but was loose at the connector.

Good luck You will find it eventually? and please let us know

RTegards

Sven
Sweden

Fr?n: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> F?r Hank Leach via Healeys
Skickat: den 17 september 2023 18:26
Till: 'Tom Felts' <tomfelts at windstream.net>
Kopia: 'healeys' <healeys at autox.team.net>
?mne: Re: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!

Spider in fuel cap vent hole blocking free flow of air. Yes, I have seen it bring a Healey to its knees.? Hank

-----------------------------------------
From: "Tom Felts via Healeys"
To: "healeys"
Cc:
Sent: Sunday September 17 2023 8:30:35AM
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem ever!
Was our driving a while back, engine purring, and suddenly she shut down.? Let it sit for a while and she would start and run for a while--then shut down again.? I tried many fixes which I will list below.? Several times after the fixes she went for miles and miles and I thought I had "fixed" it.? Nope-----yesterday----it was AAA tow time once again (3 times this year).

The last 2 shutdown times came when she was idling waiting for a light or for a car to pass.

So here is what I have tried:? * new coil? * new voltage regulator? * new fuel pump? * New ignition switch? * Blew out the fuel lines * pulled float bowls and cleaned them (no debris inside)? * Pulled the distributor plate out and cleaned and oiled it? * disconnected the wire leading from the battery cutoff switch to the coil. * bypassed the entire battery cutoff switch * replaced the Pertronix with a new one? * checked all the sparkplug wires to make sure they were on properly? *? replaced the distributor rotor *Replaced the distributor cap . * checked the small ground wire inside the distributor to make sure it was attached properly.

 All this----and STILL o joy.? I'm really out of ideas at this point.? If anyone has any ideas for me to check please share them.

Thanks
Tom
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From DrBerkowitz at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 18 13:20:32 2023
From: DrBerkowitz at hotmail.com (Leonard Berkowitz)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 19:20:32 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
 ever!
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Sounds like you have really changed a lot of stuff without curing the problem. I would suggest going over ever wire in the entire wiring harness. Start the engine and methodically check every connection by wiggling it and see if it duplicates the problem. I once had my Healey cut out while driving. It turned out that the key rotated a tiny bit as I accidentally brushed against it. Could be some that easy and stupid. Good luck.

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From roggrace at telus.net  Mon Sep 18 14:28:30 2023
From: roggrace at telus.net (Roger Grace)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:28:30 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive relay.
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Wonder why you want to replace the original relay ? - they are robust and
although I have not opened one, the distinctive "click" that the contacts
make indicates a decent set of contacts.
What is a modern relay ? A typical automotive 30A one with the plug in base
and connection tails - not much smaller than the original ?
This relay is coil operated so minimal current is required at W2 and W1 (WP
colour) terminals.
Now regarding the wire what do you mean by thinner wire ? is this perhaps
22 ga or ?
The issue to be aware of is not so much the wire current rating but the
short circuit time ability.
The OD relay is fed by an ignition switched white wire W that is unfused
and sourced directly from A3 at the fuse block.This has the full battery
fault current (oomph) behind it. So if you are determined to change the W
wire X section you should install an inline fuse as close as possible to
the fuse block terminal. A 15 or 20 A fuse would probably be OK. You don't
want your new thinner wire to become a fuse in the event of a fault.
rg
BTW have made a simplified OD wiring diagram that might make things easier
....
LMK if you want a copy.

On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 2:11?AM john harper <ah100tech at gmail.com> wrote:

> Simon
>
> If you use thinner wire to the overdrive relay it will add resistance to
> the heavy coil and reduce its 'pull' and this might cause a slow overdrive
> engagement. In the limit, it might not even pull the armature high
> enough to disconnect the heavy coil which might then overheat including the
> thinner wire you are suggesting. This might then be a fire hazard.
>
> All of this might be the worst case and perhaps I am being alarmist but
> why modify something that worked? They knew what they were doing when they
> originally designed the car electrics.
>
> On Sun, 17 Sept 2023 at 22:03, Simon Lachlan via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> I am putting a modern relay into my OD relay. Done it before with both
>> the 8-way flasher box and the OD relay. Works well, though this one only
>> managed +/-10 years. 10 years, but not so very many miles?
>>
>> Anyhow??it?s a really tight fit in there and I thought I might save some
>> space with thinner wires this time. What does the team think about the
>> ampage flowing around in there? Is there much and is it constant when the
>> car?s in OD or is it just a short burst to activate the coil and energize
>> the solenoid? I?m thinking that bigger wires means less space (Harder to
>> bend into little spaces) and thinner wires means overheating and consequent
>> problems?..
>>
>> Simon
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From tahoehealey at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 18 15:08:51 2023
From: tahoehealey at hotmail.com (Richard Kahn)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 21:08:51 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
 ever!
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Last year I had a few power shut downs and after tearing down a bunch of stuff, it turned out to be too many keys on the key ring in the ignition. They would sway back and forth.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2023, at 12:36 PM, Leonard Berkowitz via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Sounds like you have really changed a lot of stuff without curing the problem. I would suggest going over ever wire in the entire wiring harness. Start the engine and methodically check every connection by wiggling it and see if it duplicates the problem. I once had my Healey cut out while driving. It turned out that the key rotated a tiny bit as I accidentally brushed against it. Could be some that easy and stupid. Good luck. 
> 
> Len Berkowitz 
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From jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 18 16:49:55 2023
From: jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net (John Spaur)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 15:49:55 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] 12 MPG City - 19 MPG Highway
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I drive mostly around town but recently went for a 4 hour round trip on
freeways. I was pleased with the highway mileage.

 

John Spaur

'62 BT7

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From jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 18 17:10:10 2023
From: jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net (John Spaur)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 16:10:10 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Lubricating brake bleeder nipples
In-Reply-To: <18c5477505f4b634dfc2fadcfc54ec6542ad2a9a@webmail>
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It does not work with a vacuum system. Air still leaks in.

 

Thanks,

John

 

From: Hank Leach [mailto:gradea1 at charter.net] 
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 7:09 PM
To: 'John Spaur' <jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: 'healeys at autox.team.net' <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Lubricating brake bleeder nipples

 

Yes, I concur. It will not contaminate the hydraulic fluid and it is compatible with the rubber parts.I use it-but sparingly. Hank

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From: "John Spaur via Healeys" 
To: healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> 
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday September 17 2023 6:42:37PM
Subject: [Healeys] Lubricating brake bleeder nipples

What do people think about putting red brake grease on the threads of the bleeder nipples to stop them from leaking air while using a vacuum pump to bleed the brakes?

 

John Spaur

?62 BT7

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From josef-eckert at t-online.de  Tue Sep 19 11:19:06 2023
From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 19:19:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive relay.
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Agree with all Roger said.
 
Josef Eckert
Germany
 
 
 
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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive relay.
Datum: 2023-09-18T23:18:22+0200
Von: "Roger Grace" <roggrace at telus.net>
An: "john harper" <ah100tech at gmail.com>
 
 
 
Wonder why you want to replace the original relay ? - they are robust and 
although I have not opened one, the distinctive "click" that the contacts 
make indicates a decent set of contacts.
What is a modern relay ? A typical automotive 30A one with the plug in base 
and connection tails - not much smaller than the original ?
This relay is coil operated so minimal current is required at W2 and W1 (WP 
colour) terminals.
Now regarding the wire what do you mean by thinner wire ? is this perhaps 
22 ga or ?
The issue to be aware of is not so much the wire current rating but the 
short circuit time ability.
The OD relay is fed by an ignition switched white wire W that is unfused 
and sourced directly from A3 at the fuse block.This has the full battery 
fault current (oomph) behind it. So if you are determined to change the W 
wire X section you should install an inline fuse as close as possible to 
the fuse block terminal. A 15 or 20 A fuse would probably be OK. You don't 
want your new thinner wire to become a fuse in the event of a fault.
rg
BTW have made a simplified OD wiring diagram that might make things easier 
....
LMK if you want a copy.

On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 2:11?AM john harper <ah100tech at gmail.com
<mailto:ah100tech at gmail.com> > wrote:
  Simon
   
  If you use thinner wire to the overdrive relay it will add resistance to
  the heavy coil and reduce its 'pull' and this might cause a slow
  overdrive engagement. In the limit, it might not even pull the armature
  high enough to disconnect the heavy coil which might then overheat
  including the thinner wire you are suggesting. This might then be a fire
  hazard.
   
  All of this might be the worst case and perhaps I am being alarmist but
  why modify something that worked? They knew what they were doing when
  they originally designed the car electrics.

  On Sun, 17 Sept 2023 at 22:03, Simon Lachlan via Healeys <
  healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote:

    I am putting a modern relay into my OD relay. Done it before with both
    the 8-way flasher box and the OD relay. Works well, though this one
    only managed +/-10 years. 10 years, but not so very many miles?

    Anyhow??it?s a really tight fit in there and I thought I might save
    some space with thinner wires this time. What does the team think about
    the ampage flowing around in there? Is there much and is it constant
    when the car?s in OD or is it just a short burst to activate the coil
    and energize the solenoid? I?m thinking that bigger wires means less
    space (Harder to bend into little spaces) and thinner wires means
    overheating and consequent problems?..

    Simon

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From tomfelts at windstream.net  Wed Sep 20 08:46:07 2023
From: tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 10:46:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue
Message-ID: <1107269460.3513624.1695221167784.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>

Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned it--the the two pieces were very tight. I have let her run in the garage for long periods of time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able to check spark. 

When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start again then shut down. Then start, then shut down. 

I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components. 

Tell me if my analysis is correct on this. I thought it might be a fuel supply issue. So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs. If the float bowl jets were stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas. this seems like an unlikely condition. 

If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of the overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run. I have already changed fuel filter and blew out the line. The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas. So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvation as a cause. 
in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as I mentioned, I can't ch spark 
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From tomfelts at windstream.net  Wed Sep 20 08:49:59 2023
From: tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 10:49:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue
In-Reply-To: <1107269460.3513624.1695221167784.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
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Continued----I will next take her out on the road--and if she shut down on me again I'll try to get a quick spark test. Other than what I've done, not sure what happens next if she shuts down and I have spark. There is an auto-electric place near me--might consider taking here there. 
Tom 


From: "Tom Felts" <tomfelts at windstream.net> 
To: "healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 10:46:07 AM 
Subject: update on shutdown issue 

Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned it--the the two pieces were very tight. I have let her run in the garage for long periods of time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able to check spark. 

When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start again then shut down. Then start, then shut down. 

I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components. 

Tell me if my analysis is correct on this. I thought it might be a fuel supply issue. So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs. If the float bowl jets were stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas. this seems like an unlikely condition. 

If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of the overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run. I have already changed fuel filter and blew out the line. The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas. So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvation as a cause. 
in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as I mentioned, I can't ch spark 

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From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca  Wed Sep 20 09:08:01 2023
From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 11:08:01 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue
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Tom,  someone suggested a blocked vent in the filler cap ? have you checked that?  I had that issue with my TC.  Car ran fine then for no apparent reason shut down.  If I waited a while she?d re-start run for a while, then the problem would re-occur.  However, it only ever happened when the tank was fairly full, and I was driving reasonably quickly.  Driving around town I did not have the issue.  My filler cap vent was partially blocked  so at low speeds the vent was working well enough that there was no issue, but at high speeds the vent could not keep up and the engine starved of fuel.  It seemed that if the fuel tank was low, there was sufficient volume of air in the tank that the problem did not occur, although I suspect if I had gone any distance, it may have eventually.  I twigged onto this as when the engine stopped, if I immediately opened the filler cap, I could hear a ?woosh? of air being sucked into the tank, as it had a partial vacuum in it.  I simply trimmed a bit off the seal on the filler cap so the vent was completely open, and the problem disappeared.

 

Good luck - Mirek  

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tom Felts via Healeys
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 10:46 AM
To: healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue

 

Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned it--the the two pieces were very tight.  I have let her run in the garage for long periods of time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able to check spark. 

 

When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start again then shut down.  Then start, then shut down.  

 

I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components.  

 

Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.  I thought it might be a fuel supply issue.  So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs.  If the float bowl jets were stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas.  this seems like an unlikely condition.

 

If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of the overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run.  I have already changed fuel filter and blew out the line.  The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas.  So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvation as a cause.  

 

in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as I mentioned, I can't ch spark

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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 20 09:25:38 2023
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 08:25:38 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
 ever!
In-Reply-To: <DM4PR11MB72086E02C317A7F693CA04B2B8FBA@DM4PR11MB7208.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
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There was a bad batch of Lucas condensers that caused a cut off and bucking
of the engine. Have you changed yours recently? I had two of those gems. I
put my old one back in. Ran great. The distributor Dr. Sells heavy duty
units

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
1967 MGB Roadster

On Mon, Sep 18, 2023, 12:57 PM Leonard Berkowitz via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Sounds like you have really changed a lot of stuff without curing the
> problem. I would suggest going over ever wire in the entire wiring harness.
> Start the engine and methodically check every connection by wiggling it and
> see if it duplicates the problem. I once had my Healey cut out while
> driving. It turned out that the key rotated a tiny bit as I accidentally
> brushed against it. Could be some that easy and stupid. Good luck.
>
> Len Berkowitz
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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 20 09:26:59 2023
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 08:26:59 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] The single most confusing engine shutdown problem
 ever!
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Sorry, I was late to the party.
I read on and saw this was discussed.
I agree could be a loose ground

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
1967 MGB Roadster

On Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 8:25 AM i erbs <eyera3000 at gmail.com> wrote:

> There was a bad batch of Lucas condensers that caused a cut off and
> bucking of the engine. Have you changed yours recently? I had two of those
> gems. I put my old one back in. Ran great. The distributor Dr. Sells heavy
> duty units
>
> Ira Erbs
> Milwaukie, OR
> 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
> 1967 MGB Roadster
>
> On Mon, Sep 18, 2023, 12:57 PM Leonard Berkowitz via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like you have really changed a lot of stuff without curing the
>> problem. I would suggest going over ever wire in the entire wiring harness.
>> Start the engine and methodically check every connection by wiggling it and
>> see if it duplicates the problem. I once had my Healey cut out while
>> driving. It turned out that the key rotated a tiny bit as I accidentally
>> brushed against it. Could be some that easy and stupid. Good luck.
>>
>> Len Berkowitz
>> _______________________________________________
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Wed Sep 20 09:39:07 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 08:39:07 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue
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re: "The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, 
they have been full of gas."

Which type/brand of pump do you have? I've seen pumps, both points and 
SS, do some unexplainable things. Another thought: something in the tank 
that intermittently blocks the pickup. We bought a used tank for our BN2 
and experienced erratic behavior from the engine; my dad finally tracked 
it down to a pinhole leak near where the pickup was soldered to the 
tank. Dad surmised the flux used to facilitate the soldering eventually 
etched the hole (the tank was otherwise in good shape).

bs


On 9/20/2023 7:46 AM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote:
> Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the 
> ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned 
> it--the the two pieces were very tight.? I have let her run in the 
> garage for long periods of time and she has not shut down again so I 
> haven't been able to check spark.
>
> When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start 
> again then shut down.? Then start, then shut down.
>
> I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without 
> being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components.
>
> Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.? I thought it might be a 
> fuel supply issue.? So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok 
> there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs.? If the float bowl jets were 
> stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut 
> down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas.? 
> this seems like an unlikely condition.
>
> If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of 
> the overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run.? I 
> have already changed fuel filter and blew out the line.? The pump 
> pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have 
> been full of gas.? So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvation as a 
> cause.
> in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as 
> I mentioned, I can't ch spark
>
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From ryan at jimryan.com  Wed Sep 20 09:41:16 2023
From: ryan at jimryan.com (Jim Ryan)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 11:41:16 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue
In-Reply-To: <1107269460.3513624.1695221167784.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
References: <1107269460.3513624.1695221167784.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
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I'm a little confused. The car will start and run an idle seemingly
forever. But if you start it up and drive it, it dies? Or are you just
getting into it and revving the engine a bit and it dies?

Sorry Tom, if I missed something, I think I read the whole thread..

On Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 11:03 AM Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the
> ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned it--the
> the two pieces were very tight.  I have let her run in the garage for long
> periods of time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able to
> check spark.
>
> When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start again
> then shut down.  Then start, then shut down.
>
> I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without
> being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components.
>
> Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.  I thought it might be a fuel
> supply issue.  So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok
> there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs.  If the float bowl jets were
> stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut
> down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas.  this
> seems like an unlikely condition.
>
> If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of the
> overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run.  I have
> already changed fuel filter and blew out the line.  The pump pumps normally
> and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas.
> So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvation as a cause.
>
> in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as I
> mentioned, I can't ch spark
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From a2garrison at charter.net  Wed Sep 20 10:46:27 2023
From: a2garrison at charter.net (Alan Garrison)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:46:27 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue
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Before you go out on a test run I suggest you purchase a can of ?Dry-Gas?.  If the car shuts down again then add the Dry-Gas and drive on to see if the problem re-occurs.

 

The problem may be water in the gas tank either from condensation or from the underground fuel tanks at your gas station. This has happened to me a few times over the past 50+ years of ownership with the same symptoms you described.

 

Good luck!

 

Alan

?59 BN6

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tom Felts via Healeys
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 10:50 AM
To: healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue

 

Continued----I will next take her out on the road--and if she shut down on me again I'll try to get a quick spark test.  Other than what I've done, not sure what happens next if she shuts down and I have spark.  There is an auto-electric place near me--might consider taking here there.

Tom

 

  _____  

From: "Tom Felts" <tomfelts at windstream.net <mailto:tomfelts at windstream.net> >
To: "healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> >
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 10:46:07 AM
Subject: update on shutdown issue

 

Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned it--the the two pieces were very tight.  I have let her run in the garage for long periods of time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able to check spark. 

 

When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start again then shut down.  Then start, then shut down.  

 

I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components.  

 

Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.  I thought it might be a fuel supply issue.  So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs.  If the float bowl jets were stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas.  this seems like an unlikely condition.

 

If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of the overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run.  I have already changed fuel filter and blew out the line.  The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas.  So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvation as a cause.  

 

in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as I mentioned, I can't ch spark

 

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From coudesluijs at chello.nl  Wed Sep 20 13:22:23 2023
From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 21:22:23 +0200
Subject: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue
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Is it a gradual or instat shut down?
Kees

Op 20-9-2023 om 17:39 schreef Bob Spidell:
> re: "The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl 
> caps, they have been full of gas."
>
> Which type/brand of pump do you have? I've seen pumps, both points and 
> SS, do some unexplainable things. Another thought: something in the 
> tank that intermittently blocks the pickup. We bought a used tank for 
> our BN2 and experienced erratic behavior from the engine; my dad 
> finally tracked it down to a pinhole leak near where the pickup was 
> soldered to the tank. Dad surmised the flux used to facilitate the 
> soldering eventually etched the hole (the tank was otherwise in good 
> shape).
>
> bs
>
>
> On 9/20/2023 7:46 AM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote:
>> Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the 
>> ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned 
>> it--the the two pieces were very tight.? I have let her run in the 
>> garage for long periods of time and she has not shut down again so I 
>> haven't been able to check spark.
>>
>> When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start 
>> again then shut down.? Then start, then shut down.
>>
>> I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but 
>> without being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out 
>> components.
>>
>> Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.? I thought it might be a 
>> fuel supply issue.? So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was 
>> ok there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs.? If the float bowl jets 
>> were stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually 
>> shut down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get 
>> gas.? this seems like an unlikely condition.
>>
>> If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out 
>> of the overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still 
>> run.? I have already changed fuel filter and blew out the line.? The 
>> pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they 
>> have been full of gas.? So--I have basically ruled out fuel 
>> starvation as a cause.
>> in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as 
>> I mentioned, I can't ch spark
>>
>
>
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Wed Sep 20 13:45:18 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 15:45:18 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue
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I've had problem Tom.
Traced it to ignition by installing a spark tester (photo) semi
permanently. When the engine stopped, left the ignition on lifted the
bonnet and cranked with the solenoid button.. no spark.
After pouring cold water over the coil it immediately restarted.
However... pretty sure you have changed the coil. ??

M


On Wed., Sep. 20, 2023, 10:59 a.m. Tom Felts via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the
> ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned it--the
> the two pieces were very tight.  I have let her run in the garage for long
> periods of time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able to
> check spark.
>
> When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start again
> then shut down.  Then start, then shut down.
>
> I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without
> being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components.
>
> Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.  I thought it might be a fuel
> supply issue.  So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok
> there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs.  If the float bowl jets were
> stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut
> down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas.  this
> seems like an unlikely condition.
>
> If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of the
> overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run.  I have
> already changed fuel filter and blew out the line.  The pump pumps normally
> and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas.
> So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvation as a cause.
>
> in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as I
> mentioned, I can't ch spark
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From ah53 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 20 14:13:32 2023
From: ah53 at yahoo.com (jomar healey)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 20:13:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue
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 I'm late to this but I aaume the wire in the distributor is not frayed. ?I had this on my BJ8 and whenver the vacuum advanced activate it caused the wire to short on the plate and the negined died. ?If this has been covered I apologize.
Joe#923
    On Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 03:37:13 PM EDT, Alan Garrison via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
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Before you go out on a test run I suggest you purchase a can of ?Dry-Gas?. ?If the car shuts down again then add the Dry-Gas and drive on to see if the problem re-occurs.

 ?

The problem may be water in the gas tank either from condensation or from the underground fuel tanks at your gas station. This has happened to me a few times over the past 50+ years of ownership with the same symptoms you described.

 ?

Good luck!

 ?

Alan

?59 BN6

 ?

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tom Felts via Healeys
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 10:50 AM
To: healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue

 ?

Continued----I will next take her out on the road--and if she shut down on me again I'll try to get a quick spark test.? Other than what I've done, not sure what happens next if she shuts down and I have spark.? There is an auto-electric place near me--might consider taking here there.

Tom

 ?

From: "Tom Felts" <tomfelts at windstream.net>
To: "healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 10:46:07 AM
Subject: update on shutdown issue

 ?

Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned it--the the two pieces were very tight.? I have let her run in the garage for long periods of time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able to check spark.?

 ?

When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start again then shut down.? Then start, then shut down.??

 ?

I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components.??

 ?

Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.? I thought it might be a fuel supply issue.? So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs.? If the float bowl jets were stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas.? this seems like an unlikely condition.

 ?

If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of the overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run.? I have already changed fuel filter and blew out the line.? The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas.? So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvation as a cause.??

?

in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as I mentioned, I can't ch spark

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From rmarkovich at aol.com  Wed Sep 20 15:33:39 2023
From: rmarkovich at aol.com (Robert Markovich)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 21:33:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue
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Couple more thoughts: 1) There?s a thin black braided ground?wire beneath the condenser inside the distributor?if that and the?points are still in place. If the distributor is the stock Lucas unit, even with Pertronix,?that wire may still exist; worth checking for frayed ends. Result:?the car runs fine, then stalls as heat and electrical resistance build. Then the car will restart and run fine?for a few minutes?until the same thing happens again. This happened to me until I found the frayed wire. 2) The?distributor isn?t advancing properly due to broken advance springs or some other issue. 3) The fuel pump isn?t delivering enough fuel and/or the filter is clogged. All of these are easy to check??


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On Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 3:14 PM, Jim Ryan <ryan at jimryan.com> wrote:

I'm a little confused. The car will start and run an idle seemingly forever. But if you start it up and drive it, it dies? Or are you just getting into it and revving the engine a bit and it dies?
Sorry Tom, if I missed something, I think I read the whole thread..?
On Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 11:03 AM Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

 Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned it--the the two pieces were very tight.? I have let her run in the garage for long periods of time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able to check spark.?
When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start again then shut down.? Then start, then shut down.??
I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components.??
Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.? I thought it might be a fuel supply issue.? So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs.? If the float bowl jets were stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas.? this seems like an unlikely condition.
If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of the overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run.? I have already changed fuel filter and blew out the line.? The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas.? So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvation as a cause.???in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as I mentioned, I can't ch spark _______________________________________________
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From rmarkovich at aol.com  Wed Sep 20 15:41:07 2023
From: rmarkovich at aol.com (Robert Markovich)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 21:41:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue
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Might the brass floats also have pinholes, causing them to fill with fuel and preventing them from rising as they should? The new nitro phyll?floats solve that issue. If?not, I?d suspect the distributor (internal ground wire or advence weights). Might also be worth buying another Pertronix module and a?3-ohm coil?(always smart to have a spare along anyway) and see if it isn?t one of those. Still, it sounds more and more like an advance problem if the engine won?t reverse.?


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On Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 2:49 PM, Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

 re: "The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas."
 
 Which type/brand of pump do you have? I've seen pumps, both points and SS, do some unexplainable things. Another thought: something in the tank that intermittently blocks the pickup. We bought a used tank for our BN2 and experienced erratic behavior from the engine; my dad finally tracked it down to a pinhole leak near where the pickup was soldered to the tank. Dad surmised the flux used to facilitate the soldering eventually etched the hole (the tank was otherwise in good shape).
 
 bs
 
 
 On 9/20/2023 7:46 AM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote:
  
 
  Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned it--the the two pieces were very tight.? I have let her run in the garage for long periods of time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able to check spark.? 
  When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start again then shut down.? Then start, then shut down.?? 
  I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components.?? 
  Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.? I thought it might be a fuel supply issue.? So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs.? If the float bowl jets were stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas.? this seems like an unlikely condition. 
  If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of the overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run.? I have already changed fuel filter and blew out the line.? The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas.? So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvation as a cause.?? ? in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as I mentioned, I can't ch spark   
 
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From rmarkovich at aol.com  Wed Sep 20 15:57:32 2023
From: rmarkovich at aol.com (Robert Markovich)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 21:57:32 +0000 (UTC)
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Again, this sounds like a bad ground wire connection?in the distributor (you have to pull the condenser to see it?and I?d?change condenser?out while you?re at it). The same exact thing happened to me on the 100/6 I owned some years ago and I tried all the same things as I thought it was in the fuel system (don?t we all!). Finally I happened to pull the condenser on the roadside and saw that little black ground?wire hanging on by a few strands. After going through the entire fuel system! Same exact symptoms. Crimping?on a new connector and battening the wire down solved the problem instantly. A buildup of heat and electrical resistance compromising that bad ground wire connection?explains why the car will run fine, then stall, restart after a few minutes as things cool, then crap out again as heat and resistance build again.?


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On Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 11:24 AM, Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

 Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned it--the the two pieces were very tight.? I have let her run in the garage for long periods of time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able to check spark.?
When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start again then shut down.? Then start, then shut down.??
I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components.??
Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.? I thought it might be a fuel supply issue.? So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs.? If the float bowl jets were stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas.? this seems like an unlikely condition.
If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of the overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run.? I have already changed fuel filter and blew out the line.? The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas.? So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvation as a cause.???in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as I mentioned, I can't ch spark _______________________________________________
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From tomfelts at windstream.net  Thu Sep 21 04:05:55 2023
From: tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 06:05:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue
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I'm using the new floats, have a new 3ohm coil, and have changed the Pertronix to a new one. This is crazy----but after my last attempt by cleaning and oiling the baseplate of the distributor, she has sat at idle for a loooooong tie and has not shut down. I'm still shooting in the dark, I'll admit, and if she shuts down again I'll do a quick spark test. 

Tom 


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To: "Bob Spidell" <bspidell at comcast.net>, "healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 5:41:07 PM 
Subject: Re: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue 

Might the brass floats also have pinholes, causing them to fill with fuel and preventing them from rising as they should? The new nitro phyll floats solve that issue. If not, I?d suspect the distributor (internal ground wire or advence weights). Might also be worth buying another Pertronix module and a 3-ohm coil (always smart to have a spare along anyway) and see if it isn?t one of those. Still, it sounds more and more like an advance problem if the engine won?t reverse. 


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re: "The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas." 

Which type/brand of pump do you have? I've seen pumps, both points and SS, do some unexplainable things. Another thought: something in the tank that intermittently blocks the pickup. We bought a used tank for our BN2 and experienced erratic behavior from the engine; my dad finally tracked it down to a pinhole leak near where the pickup was soldered to the tank. Dad surmised the flux used to facilitate the soldering eventually etched the hole (the tank was otherwise in good shape). 

bs 


On 9/20/2023 7:46 AM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned it--the the two pieces were very tight. I have let her run in the garage for long periods of time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able to check spark. 

When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start again then shut down. Then start, then shut down. 

I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components. 

Tell me if my analysis is correct on this. I thought it might be a fuel supply issue. So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs. If the float bowl jets were stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas. this seems like an unlikely condition. 

If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of the overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run. I have already changed fuel filter and blew out the line. The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas. So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvation as a cause. 
in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as I mentioned, I can't ch spark 


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From rmarkovich at aol.com  Thu Sep 21 06:13:05 2023
From: rmarkovich at aol.com (Robert Markovich)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 12:13:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue
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If the engine starts and?idles nicely?and there?s a nice fat spark at the plugs?but won?t rev, it sounds like a?distributor advance sping(s) is broken or faulty in some other way. Might consider rebuilding or replacing the distributor (I?d choose a Mallory dual point over the Pertronix dist, and?Pertronix makes a?module for that as well).?If the car runs well but conks out on the road?after it warms up, then restarts and repeats, it?s that stupid little ground wire inside. Someone else mentioned a blocked gas cap breather, which is also quite easy to check. Rust in the gas tank? Could cause the engine to run well and then stop, which is a good reason to use a clear fuel filter.?But this really sounds like a dist problem ?


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On Thursday, September 21, 2023, 6:05 AM, Tom Felts <tomfelts at windstream.net> wrote:

I'm using the new floats, have a new 3ohm coil, and have changed the Pertronix to a new one.? This is crazy----but after my last attempt by cleaning and oiling the baseplate of the distributor, she has sat at idle for a loooooong tie and has not shut down.? I'm still shooting in the dark, I'll admit, and if she shuts down again I'll do a quick spark test.
Tom
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Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 5:41:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue

Might the brass floats also have pinholes, causing them to fill with fuel and preventing them from rising as they should? The new nitro phyll?floats solve that issue. If?not, I?d suspect the distributor (internal ground wire or advence weights). Might also be worth buying another Pertronix module and a?3-ohm coil?(always smart to have a spare along anyway) and see if it isn?t one of those. Still, it sounds more and more like an advance problem if the engine won?t reverse.?


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On Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 2:49 PM, Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

 re: "The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas."
 
 Which type/brand of pump do you have? I've seen pumps, both points and SS, do some unexplainable things. Another thought: something in the tank that intermittently blocks the pickup. We bought a used tank for our BN2 and experienced erratic behavior from the engine; my dad finally tracked it down to a pinhole leak near where the pickup was soldered to the tank. Dad surmised the flux used to facilitate the soldering eventually etched the hole (the tank was otherwise in good shape).
 
 bs
 
 
 On 9/20/2023 7:46 AM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote:
  
 
  Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned it--the the two pieces were very tight.? I have let her run in the garage for long periods of time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able to check spark.? 
  When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start again then shut down.? Then start, then shut down.?? 
  I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components.?? 
  Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.? I thought it might be a fuel supply issue.? So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs.? If the float bowl jets were stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas.? this seems like an unlikely condition. 
  If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of the overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run.? I have already changed fuel filter and blew out the line.? The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas.? So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvation as a cause.?? ? in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as I mentioned, I can't ch spark   
 
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From einhornlawoffice at gmail.com  Thu Sep 21 08:07:34 2023
From: einhornlawoffice at gmail.com (Jonathan Einhorn)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 10:07:34 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue
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Did you try bypassing the cutoff switch in the trunk? That solved a similar
problem for me

Jon

On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 10:31 PM Robert Markovich via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Might the brass floats also have pinholes, causing them to fill with fuel
> and preventing them from rising as they should? The new nitro phyll floats
> solve that issue. If not, I?d suspect the distributor (internal ground wire
> or advence weights). Might also be worth buying another Pertronix module
> and a 3-ohm coil (always smart to have a spare along anyway) and see if it
> isn?t one of those. Still, it sounds more and more like an advance problem
> if the engine won?t reverse.
>
>
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661>
>
> On Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 2:49 PM, Bob Spidell <
> bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> re: "The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps,
> they have been full of gas."
>
> Which type/brand of pump do you have? I've seen pumps, both points and SS,
> do some unexplainable things. Another thought: something in the tank that
> intermittently blocks the pickup. We bought a used tank for our BN2 and
> experienced erratic behavior from the engine; my dad finally tracked it
> down to a pinhole leak near where the pickup was soldered to the tank. Dad
> surmised the flux used to facilitate the soldering eventually etched the
> hole (the tank was otherwise in good shape).
>
> bs
>
>
> On 9/20/2023 7:46 AM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote:
>
> Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the
> ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned it--the
> the two pieces were very tight.  I have let her run in the garage for long
> periods of time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able to
> check spark.
>
> When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start again
> then shut down.  Then start, then shut down.
>
> I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without
> being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components.
>
> Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.  I thought it might be a fuel
> supply issue.  So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok
> there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs.  If the float bowl jets were
> stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut
> down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas.  this
> seems like an unlikely condition.
>
> If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of the
> overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run.  I have
> already changed fuel filter and blew out the line.  The pump pumps normally
> and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas.
> So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvation as a cause.
>
> in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as I
> mentioned, I can't ch spark
>
>
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Fri Sep 22 10:48:30 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2023 09:48:30 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] [O/T] Brake pad info
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Some things I've given some thought to, but never really knew the skinny ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oIJixuvRoQ

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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2023 13:23:08 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] 3000 sighting...
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Rt 9 Eastbound in NH.  14:15 9/22. ?
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From wdavid890dd at aol.com  Fri Sep 22 14:23:50 2023
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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2023 20:23:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 16, Issue 227
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Start the car with the bonnet open put a blanket over on top of the bonnet and block all the light, look for arcing around the wires??and distributer. Easy check good luck.?
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Is it a gradual or instat shut down?
 Kees
 
 Op 20-9-2023 om 17:39 schreef Bob Spidell:
  
 re: "The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas."
 
 Which type/brand of pump do you have? I've seen pumps, both points and SS, do some unexplainable things. Another thought: something in the tank that intermittently blocks the pickup. We bought a used tank for our BN2 and experienced erratic behavior from the engine; my dad finally tracked it down to a pinhole leak near where the pickup was soldered to the tank. Dad surmised the flux used to facilitate the soldering eventually etched the hole (the tank was otherwise in good shape).
 
 bs
 
 
 On 9/20/2023 7:46 AM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote:
  
   Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned it--the the two pieces were very tight.? I have let her run in the garage for long periods of time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able to check spark.? 
  When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start again then shut down.? Then start, then shut down.?? 
  I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components.?? 
  Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.? I thought it might be a fuel supply issue.? So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs.? If the float bowl jets were stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas.? this seems like an unlikely condition. 
  If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of the overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run.? I have already changed fuel filter and blew out the line.? The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas.? So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvation as a cause.?? ? in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as I mentioned, I can't ch spark   
 
 
 
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 I've had problem Tom.Traced it to ignition by installing a spark tester (photo) semi permanently. When the engine stopped, left the ignition on lifted the bonnet and cranked with the solenoid button.. no spark.?After pouring cold water over the coil it immediately restarted.However... pretty sure you have changed the coil. ??
M

On Wed., Sep. 20, 2023, 10:59 a.m. Tom Felts via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

 Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned it--the the two pieces were very tight.? I have let her run in the garage for long periods of time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able to check spark.?
When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start again then shut down.? Then start, then shut down.??
I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components.??
Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.? I thought it might be a fuel supply issue.? So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs.? If the float bowl jets were stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas.? this seems like an unlikely condition.
If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of the overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run.? I have already changed fuel filter and blew out the line.? The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas.? So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvation as a cause.???in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as I mentioned, I can't ch spark _______________________________________________
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 I'm late to this but I aaume the wire in the distributor is not frayed. ?I had this on my BJ8 and whenver the vacuum advanced activate it caused the wire to short on the plate and the negined died. ?If this has been covered I apologize.
Joe#923
    On Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 03:37:13 PM EDT, Alan Garrison via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
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Before you go out on a test run I suggest you purchase a can of ?Dry-Gas?. ?If the car shuts down again then add the Dry-Gas and drive on to see if the problem re-occurs.

 ?

The problem may be water in the gas tank either from condensation or from the underground fuel tanks at your gas station. This has happened to me a few times over the past 50+ years of ownership with the same symptoms you described.

 ?

Good luck!

 ?

Alan

?59 BN6

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 ?

Continued----I will next take her out on the road--and if she shut down on me again I'll try to get a quick spark test.? Other than what I've done, not sure what happens next if she shuts down and I have spark.? There is an auto-electric place near me--might consider taking here there.

Tom

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Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 10:46:07 AM
Subject: update on shutdown issue

 ?

Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned it--the the two pieces were very tight.? I have let her run in the garage for long periods of time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able to check spark.?

 ?

When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start again then shut down.? Then start, then shut down.??

 ?

I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components.??

 ?

Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.? I thought it might be a fuel supply issue.? So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs.? If the float bowl jets were stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas.? this seems like an unlikely condition.

 ?

If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of the overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run.? I have already changed fuel filter and blew out the line.? The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas.? So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvation as a cause.??

?

in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as I mentioned, I can't ch spark

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  Couple more thoughts: 1) There?s a thin black braided ground?wire beneath the condenser inside the distributor?if that and the?points are still in place. If the distributor is the stock Lucas unit, even with Pertronix,?that wire may still exist; worth checking for frayed ends. Result:?the car runs fine, then stalls as heat and electrical resistance build. Then the car will restart and run fine?for a few minutes?until the same thing happens again. This happened to me until I found the frayed wire. 2) The?distributor isn?t advancing properly due to broken advance springs or some other issue. 3) The fuel pump isn?t delivering enough fuel and/or the filter is clogged. All of these are easy to check??


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On Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 3:14 PM, Jim Ryan <ryan at jimryan.com> wrote:

I'm a little confused. The car will start and run an idle seemingly forever. But if you start it up and drive it, it dies? Or are you just getting into it and revving the engine a bit and it dies?
Sorry Tom, if I missed something, I think I read the whole thread..?
On Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 11:03 AM Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

 Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned it--the the two pieces were very tight.? I have let her run in the garage for long periods of time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able to check spark.?
When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start again then shut down.? Then start, then shut down.??
I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components.??
Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.? I thought it might be a fuel supply issue.? So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs.? If the float bowl jets were stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas.? this seems like an unlikely condition.
If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of the overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run.? I have already changed fuel filter and blew out the line.? The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas.? So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvation as a cause.???in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as I mentioned, I can't ch spark _______________________________________________
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Might the brass floats also have pinholes, causing them to fill with fuel and preventing them from rising as they should? The new nitro phyll?floats solve that issue. If?not, I?d suspect the distributor (internal ground wire or advence weights). Might also be worth buying another Pertronix module and a?3-ohm coil?(always smart to have a spare along anyway) and see if it isn?t one of those. Still, it sounds more and more like an advance problem if the engine won?t reverse.?


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On Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 2:49 PM, Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

 re: "The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas."
 
 Which type/brand of pump do you have? I've seen pumps, both points and SS, do some unexplainable things. Another thought: something in the tank that intermittently blocks the pickup. We bought a used tank for our BN2 and experienced erratic behavior from the engine; my dad finally tracked it down to a pinhole leak near where the pickup was soldered to the tank. Dad surmised the flux used to facilitate the soldering eventually etched the hole (the tank was otherwise in good shape).
 
 bs
 
 
 On 9/20/2023 7:46 AM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote:
  
 
  Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned it--the the two pieces were very tight.? I have let her run in the garage for long periods of time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able to check spark.? 
  When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start again then shut down.? Then start, then shut down.?? 
  I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components.?? 
  Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.? I thought it might be a fuel supply issue.? So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs.? If the float bowl jets were stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas.? this seems like an unlikely condition. 
  If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of the overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run.? I have already changed fuel filter and blew out the line.? The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas.? So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvation as a cause.?? ? in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as I mentioned, I can't ch spark   
 
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Again, this sounds like a bad ground wire connection?in the distributor (you have to pull the condenser to see it?and I?d?change condenser?out while you?re at it). The same exact thing happened to me on the 100/6 I owned some years ago and I tried all the same things as I thought it was in the fuel system (don?t we all!). Finally I happened to pull the condenser on the roadside and saw that little black ground?wire hanging on by a few strands. After going through the entire fuel system! Same exact symptoms. Crimping?on a new connector and battening the wire down solved the problem instantly. A buildup of heat and electrical resistance compromising that bad ground wire connection?explains why the car will run fine, then stall, restart after a few minutes as things cool, then crap out again as heat and resistance build again.?


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On Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 11:24 AM, Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

 Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned it--the the two pieces were very tight.? I have let her run in the garage for long periods of time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able to check spark.?
When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start again then shut down.? Then start, then shut down.??
I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components.??
Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.? I thought it might be a fuel supply issue.? So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs.? If the float bowl jets were stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas.? this seems like an unlikely condition.
If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of the overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run.? I have already changed fuel filter and blew out the line.? The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas.? So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvation as a cause.???in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as I mentioned, I can't ch spark _______________________________________________
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I'm using the new floats, have a new 3ohm coil, and have changed the Pertronix to a new one.? This is crazy----but after my last attempt by cleaning and oiling the baseplate of the distributor, she has sat at idle for a loooooong tie and has not shut down.? I'm still shooting in the dark, I'll admit, and if she shuts down again I'll do a quick spark test.
Tom
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To: "Bob Spidell" <bspidell at comcast.net>, "healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 5:41:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue

Might the brass floats also have pinholes, causing them to fill with fuel and preventing them from rising as they should? The new nitro phyll?floats solve that issue. If?not, I?d suspect the distributor (internal ground wire or advence weights). Might also be worth buying another Pertronix module and a?3-ohm coil?(always smart to have a spare along anyway) and see if it isn?t one of those. Still, it sounds more and more like an advance problem if the engine won?t reverse.?


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On Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 2:49 PM, Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

 re: "The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas."
 
 Which type/brand of pump do you have? I've seen pumps, both points and SS, do some unexplainable things. Another thought: something in the tank that intermittently blocks the pickup. We bought a used tank for our BN2 and experienced erratic behavior from the engine; my dad finally tracked it down to a pinhole leak near where the pickup was soldered to the tank. Dad surmised the flux used to facilitate the soldering eventually etched the hole (the tank was otherwise in good shape).
 
 bs
 
 
 On 9/20/2023 7:46 AM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote:
  
 
  Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned it--the the two pieces were very tight.? I have let her run in the garage for long periods of time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able to check spark.? 
  When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start again then shut down.? Then start, then shut down.?? 
  I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components.?? 
  Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.? I thought it might be a fuel supply issue.? So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs.? If the float bowl jets were stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas.? this seems like an unlikely condition. 
  If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of the overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run.? I have already changed fuel filter and blew out the line.? The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas.? So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvation as a cause.?? ? in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as I mentioned, I can't ch spark   
 
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If the engine starts and?idles nicely?and there?s a nice fat spark at the plugs?but won?t rev, it sounds like a?distributor advance sping(s) is broken or faulty in some other way. Might consider rebuilding or replacing the distributor (I?d choose a Mallory dual point over the Pertronix dist, and?Pertronix makes a?module for that as well).?If the car runs well but conks out on the road?after it warms up, then restarts and repeats, it?s that stupid little ground wire inside. Someone else mentioned a blocked gas cap breather, which is also quite easy to check. Rust in the gas tank? Could cause the engine to run well and then stop, which is a good reason to use a clear fuel filter.?But this really sounds like a dist problem ?


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On Thursday, September 21, 2023, 6:05 AM, Tom Felts <tomfelts at windstream.net> wrote:

I'm using the new floats, have a new 3ohm coil, and have changed the Pertronix to a new one.? This is crazy----but after my last attempt by cleaning and oiling the baseplate of the distributor, she has sat at idle for a loooooong tie and has not shut down.? I'm still shooting in the dark, I'll admit, and if she shuts down again I'll do a quick spark test.
Tom
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To: "Bob Spidell" <bspidell at comcast.net>, "healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 5:41:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] update on shutdown issue

Might the brass floats also have pinholes, causing them to fill with fuel and preventing them from rising as they should? The new nitro phyll?floats solve that issue. If?not, I?d suspect the distributor (internal ground wire or advence weights). Might also be worth buying another Pertronix module and a?3-ohm coil?(always smart to have a spare along anyway) and see if it isn?t one of those. Still, it sounds more and more like an advance problem if the engine won?t reverse.?


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On Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 2:49 PM, Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

 re: "The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas."
 
 Which type/brand of pump do you have? I've seen pumps, both points and SS, do some unexplainable things. Another thought: something in the tank that intermittently blocks the pickup. We bought a used tank for our BN2 and experienced erratic behavior from the engine; my dad finally tracked it down to a pinhole leak near where the pickup was soldered to the tank. Dad surmised the flux used to facilitate the soldering eventually etched the hole (the tank was otherwise in good shape).
 
 bs
 
 
 On 9/20/2023 7:46 AM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote:
  
 
  Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned it--the the two pieces were very tight.? I have let her run in the garage for long periods of time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able to check spark.? 
  When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start again then shut down.? Then start, then shut down.?? 
  I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components.?? 
  Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.? I thought it might be a fuel supply issue.? So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs.? If the float bowl jets were stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas.? this seems like an unlikely condition. 
  If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of the overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run.? I have already changed fuel filter and blew out the line.? The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas.? So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvation as a cause.?? ? in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as I mentioned, I can't ch spark   
 
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Did you try bypassing the cutoff switch in the trunk? That solved a similar problem for me
Jon?
On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 10:31 PM Robert Markovich via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

Might the brass floats also have pinholes, causing them to fill with fuel and preventing them from rising as they should? The new nitro phyll?floats solve that issue. If?not, I?d suspect the distributor (internal ground wire or advence weights). Might also be worth buying another Pertronix module and a?3-ohm coil?(always smart to have a spare along anyway) and see if it isn?t one of those. Still, it sounds more and more like an advance problem if the engine won?t reverse.?


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On Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 2:49 PM, Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

 re: "The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas."
 
 Which type/brand of pump do you have? I've seen pumps, both points and SS, do some unexplainable things. Another thought: something in the tank that intermittently blocks the pickup. We bought a used tank for our BN2 and experienced erratic behavior from the engine; my dad finally tracked it down to a pinhole leak near where the pickup was soldered to the tank. Dad surmised the flux used to facilitate the soldering eventually etched the hole (the tank was otherwise in good shape).
 
 bs
 
 
 On 9/20/2023 7:46 AM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote:
  
 
  Since having the car towed home I have checked all connections in the ignition system, pulled the distributor base plate out and cleaned it--the the two pieces were very tight.? I have let her run in the garage for long periods of time and she has not shut down again so I haven't been able to check spark.? 
  When it did shut down, it wouldn't take long before she would start again then shut down.? Then start, then shut down.?? 
  I know my trial and error method wasn't the best approach, but without being able to check spark it seemed appropriate to change out components.?? 
  Tell me if my analysis is correct on this.? I thought it might be a fuel supply issue.? So---I pulled the float bowl covers and all was ok there--also pulled and cleaned the carbs.? If the float bowl jets were stuck in a closed position it would get no gas and eventually shut down---but---both would have to stick so each carb wouldn't get gas.? this seems like an unlikely condition. 
  If they were stock in the open position it would be dumping gas out of the overflow tubes---so, again, unlikely since it would still run.? I have already changed fuel filter and blew out the line.? The pump pumps normally and each time I pulled the float bowl caps, they have been full of gas.? So--I have basically ruled out fuel starvation as a cause.?? ? in the garage she sits and purrs forever with no shutdown------so, as I mentioned, I can't ch spark   
 
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From coudesluijs at chello.nl  Fri Sep 22 15:43:59 2023
From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2023 23:43:59 +0200
Subject: [Healeys] [O/T] Brake pad info
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Limited value as it is not an independent way of testing. However there 
are huge differences in the quality of brake pads.

I tested brake pads for the ANWB, the Dutch AAA, in the 90's and was 
very surprised that even certified replacement products did not conform 
to the official norm at the time and some not certified product did 
conform. This was basically a requirement that any characteristic of a 
replacement brake pad for a car should not deviate more than 15% from 
the O.E. brake pad, this included friction cold and hot, heat 
resistance, fading. These tests were on a special computer controlled 
brake test rig in a university lab using new pads bought anonymously in 
shops, garages, car parts stores etc. and tested on O.E. disk which were 
renewed and run in with the pads under test.

The safest way of renewing brake pads is to use O.E. pads. If you are 
not deeply involved in the business, you just do not know with other 
replacements. They can be just as good as O.E. but can also fail dismally.

Kees Oudesluijs



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From roggrace at telus.net  Sat Sep 23 22:11:30 2023
From: roggrace at telus.net (Roger Grace)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2023 21:11:30 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Timeless shape !
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Wonder if others have seen this - I still enjoyed it.
Not sure that I understand his comment about the steering time lag.  I have
not noticed this phenomenon on mine ?
rg

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From bspidell at comcast.net  Sun Sep 24 08:17:05 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 07:17:05 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Timeless shape !
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wrt: "... there's almost a delay between when it starts to turn and when 
it finishes turning"

Yep. I think it's partly due to the 'slop' in the worm-and-peg steering, 
and significant understeer. I put a larger (front) sway bar on my BJ8 
and that helped (at least, the car stays flatter in turns). Also, 
setting camber to zero--or presumably, negative--makes turn-in/out a bit 
more responsive. Ironically, perhaps, if your car tracks true driving on 
straight highways is actually more relaxed and can be done with 
'thumb-and-index-finger.' I feel like I have to keep a pretty good grip 
on my Mustang's wheel, with electric-assisted rack-and-pinion, lest it 
get away from me (at least, in the 'sport' mode I usually drive in).

Note he had a big grin on his face for most of the video.



On 9/23/2023 9:11 PM, Roger Grace wrote:
> Wonder if others have seen this - I still enjoyed it.
> Not sure that I understand his comment about the steering time lag.? I 
> have not noticed this phenomenon on mine ?
> rg
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIUyMUqGJ5I
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From gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 24 08:40:36 2023
From: gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com (Richard Collins)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 14:40:36 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Timeless shape !
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Interesting video worth watching if you can scroll thru the PITA ads.
I tend to agree with his assessment re the steering and suspension set up. At speed on curved roads you need to be careful although some of it is related to the tires of the day vis a vis todays tires.
All in all, I love my Healey and all its nuances.
Regards,
Richard C
BN7 440

On Sep 24, 2023, at 00:09, Roger Grace <roggrace at telus.net> wrote:

?
Wonder if others have seen this - I still enjoyed it.
Not sure that I understand his comment about the steering time lag.  I have not noticed this phenomenon on mine ?
rg

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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 09:44:17 2023
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 08:44:17 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Timeless shape !
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I have not seen it before. He seems to short shit. Running out the gears is
a big part of the joy of hammering my car down the road. Sounds like the
steering box needs attention. I agree that my 100-6 is a beast, especially
with the MK1 engine and performance updates. That said it is still a joy to
drive and own after almost 50 years .
Always great to see the car rolling down the road


Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
1967 MGB Roadster

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> Wonder if others have seen this - I still enjoyed it.
> Not sure that I understand his comment about the steering time lag.  I
> have not noticed this phenomenon on mine ?
> rg
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From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com  Sun Sep 24 14:03:33 2023
From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 21:03:33 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] Timeless shape !
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"Heavy" this, "Heavy" that? Steering sounds sloppy for sure. I don't find mine to be heavy....depends what one's used to? Maybe the car needs work in that area....My BT7 has about a zillion grease nipples under there. Maybe some of them haven't been getting their share. Mind you, don't BJ8s have some differences in this area? 
Simon

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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Timeless shape !

wrt: "... there's almost a delay between when it starts to turn and when it finishes turning"

Yep. I think it's partly due to the 'slop' in the worm-and-peg steering, and significant understeer. I put a larger (front) sway bar on my BJ8 and that helped (at least, the car stays flatter in turns). Also, setting camber to zero--or presumably, negative--makes turn-in/out a bit more responsive. Ironically, perhaps, if your car tracks true driving on straight highways is actually more relaxed and can be done with 'thumb-and-index-finger.' I feel like I have to keep a pretty good grip on my Mustang's wheel, with electric-assisted rack-and-pinion, lest it get away from me (at least, in the 'sport' mode I usually drive in).

Note he had a big grin on his face for most of the video.



On 9/23/2023 9:11 PM, Roger Grace wrote:
> Wonder if others have seen this - I still enjoyed it.
> Not sure that I understand his comment about the steering time lag.  I 
> have not noticed this phenomenon on mine ?
> rg
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIUyMUqGJ5I
>

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From boyracer466 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 16:18:54 2023
From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (richard mayor)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 15:18:54 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Goodie bag mystery gift
Message-ID: <F6A0B02C-5F24-4B1C-BD5B-93A84B676141@gmail.com>

This was one of those gifts in the bag I received at California Healey Week. It stretches a bit like a rubber band.  Anyone know what the purpose of this thing is? 

 ?
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From phoenix722 at comcast.net  Sun Sep 24 20:57:58 2023
From: phoenix722 at comcast.net (Mike Sinclair)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 19:57:58 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Goodie bag mystery gift
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Keeps your pants leg from fouling your bicycle chain.

On 9/24/23 3:18 PM, richard mayor wrote:
> This was one of those gifts in the bag I received at California Healey 
> Week. It stretches a bit like a rubber band. ?Anyone know what the 
> purpose of this thing is?
>
> IMG_1452.jpeg
> Richard Mayor
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From healeymanjim at hansencc.net  Mon Sep 25 16:46:27 2023
From: healeymanjim at hansencc.net (=?utf-8?Q?healeymanjim?=)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 15:46:27 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] =?utf-8?q?free_stuff?=
Message-ID: <20230925224627.32554.qmail@server278.com>

have 4 yds of new black door seal for 100.  yours for shipping cost.

From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 17:26:35 2023
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 16:26:35 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Healey parts car
Message-ID: <CABXhz88Vdoi4u3WBFgH7XKNmLFsuPPSDnJ6Z34R1aNJZdOpcrQ@mail.gmail.com>

NFI

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1858218614412735/permalink/3615672682000644/?mibextid=13AoS6
Ira Erbs
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From Goldengt at cal.net  Mon Sep 25 17:47:32 2023
From: Goldengt at cal.net (Goldengt at cal.net)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 16:47:32 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] trunk lid rubber buffers
Message-ID: <1cd9f33bb59b4325ab38935255ba97f1@cal.net>

What is the size for the three rubber buffers for the boot lid? I have a 
bag of about 50 and wonder if they are correct for that application.
The painter put some on that are way too large in diameter.
Thanks,
Ken Freese
65 BJ8

From rmarkovich at aol.com  Tue Sep 26 06:02:21 2023
From: rmarkovich at aol.com (Robert Markovich)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2023 12:02:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] trunk lid rubber buffers
In-Reply-To: <1cd9f33bb59b4325ab38935255ba97f1@cal.net>
References: <1cd9f33bb59b4325ab38935255ba97f1@cal.net>
Message-ID: <234602998.2788432.1695729741798@mail.yahoo.com>

The trunk?er, boot?lid has one circumferential rubber strip that attaches to it, not separate buffers, which go under the hood (oops, bonnet). The exception is the 100 (4), at least the earliest with alloy boot like mine, where that rubber strip is adhered?
to the shroud beneath the lid. By the way, a roll of black?in-home weatherstripping works wonderfully for those early models!?


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On Tuesday, September 26, 2023, 4:20 AM, Ken Freese via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

What is the size for the three rubber buffers for the boot lid? I have a 
bag of about 50 and wonder if they are correct for that application.
The painter put some on that are way too large in diameter.
Thanks,
Ken Freese
65 BJ8
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From goldengt at cal.net  Tue Sep 26 13:49:01 2023
From: goldengt at cal.net (Ken)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2023 12:49:01 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] trunk lid rubber buffers
In-Reply-To: <1cd9f33bb59b4325ab38935255ba97f1@cal.net>
Message-ID: <4Rw9Kp5XMczSySV1@allmail.cal.net>

I found out. Half inch diameter. The 2009 concours guidelines don't mention them at all.Ken Freese?65 BJ8Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Ken Freese via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> Date: 9/26/23  1:10 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] trunk lid rubber buffers What is the size for the three rubber buffers for the boot lid? I have a bag of about 50 and wonder if they are correct for that application.The painter put some on that are way too large in diameter.Thanks,Ken Freese65 BJ8_______________________________________________Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlSuggested annual donation? $12.75Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeysHealeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeysUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/goldengt at cal.net
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Tue Sep 26 15:36:00 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2023 17:36:00 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] trunk lid rubber buffers
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"The 2009 concours guidelines don't mention them at all."

I'll add that to my list of corrections for next edition

M

On Tue., Sep. 26, 2023, 5:28 p.m. Ken via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I found out. Half inch diameter. The 2009 concours guidelines don't
> mention them at all.
> Ken Freese
> 65 BJ8
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Ken Freese via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Date: 9/26/23 1:10 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Healeys] trunk lid rubber buffers
>
> What is the size for the three rubber buffers for the boot lid? I have a
> bag of about 50 and wonder if they are correct for that application.
> The painter put some on that are way too large in diameter.
> Thanks,
> Ken Freese
> 65 BJ8
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From rmarkovich at aol.com  Tue Sep 26 16:59:51 2023
From: rmarkovich at aol.com (Robert Markovich)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2023 22:59:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] trunk lid rubber buffers
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Adding something on the trunk/boot seal would??be prudent.?


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On Tuesday, September 26, 2023, 6:27 PM, Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com> wrote:

"The 2009 concours guidelines don't mention them at all."
I'll add that to my list of corrections for next edition
M
On Tue., Sep. 26, 2023, 5:28 p.m. Ken via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

I found out. Half inch diameter. The 2009 concours guidelines don't mention them at all.Ken Freese?65 BJ8

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------From: Ken Freese via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> Date: 9/26/23 1:10 AM (GMT-08:00) To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] trunk lid rubber buffers 
What is the size for the three rubber buffers for the boot lid? I have a 
bag of about 50 and wonder if they are correct for that application.
The painter put some on that are way too large in diameter.
Thanks,
Ken Freese
65 BJ8
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From ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz  Tue Sep 26 23:01:59 2023
From: ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz (Mark Donaldson)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2023 18:01:59 +1300
Subject: [Healeys] trunk lid rubber buffers
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The three button buffers on the tri-carb are 14mm x 3mm.

 

On my BN2 they are slightly wider - 15mm  . . .  and looking a bit worse for
wear after 67 years.  I must replace them.

 

In Imperial measurement, let's say 9/16" x 1/8"    

 

I didn't pull one out to check the diameter of the spear.

 

Mark

Ardmore

NZ

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Goldengt at cal.net <Goldengt at cal.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, 26 September 2023 12:48 PM
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: [Healeys] trunk lid rubber buffers

 

What is the size for the three rubber buffers for the boot lid? I have a bag
of about 50 and wonder if they are correct for that application.

The painter put some on that are way too large in diameter.

Thanks,

Ken Freese

65 BJ8

 

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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Wed Sep 27 06:48:50 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2023 08:48:50 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] trunk lid rubber buffers
In-Reply-To: <003901d9f0ff$bf8dac80$3ea90580$@xtra.co.nz>
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 <003901d9f0ff$bf8dac80$3ea90580$@xtra.co.nz>
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Whilst researching for the Guidelines some time ago I spent quite a bit of
time on those boot lid buffers. Part No. 4G8595
They are somewhat illusive!
They appear in the 100 parts list as being used in the 3 chromed steel top
bow retainers but no mention of any buffers for the boot lid.
They appear in the BN6 parts list as being used on the mounting arms for
the side screens and for the boot lid although oddly they aren't listed in
the part number index for the boot lid location.
They are listed in all the 3000 parts lists for the boot lid.
As far as I can figure the buffers used for the  chromed steel top bow
retainers are significantly smaller than those used for the boot lid or for
that matter the side screen mounting arms. (See photo).
All a bit confusing however I  will work on a Guidelines correction
regarding these.
M

On Wed., Sep. 27, 2023, 1:15 a.m. Mark Donaldson via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> The three button buffers on the tri-carb are 14mm x 3mm.
>
>
>
> On my BN2 they are slightly wider ? 15mm  . . .  and looking a bit worse
> for wear after 67 years.  I must replace them.
>
>
>
> In Imperial measurement, let?s say 9/16? x 1/8?
>
>
>
> I didn?t pull one out to check the diameter of the spear.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
> Ardmore
>
> NZ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Goldengt at cal.net <Goldengt at cal.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 September 2023 12:48 PM
> To: healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Healeys] trunk lid rubber buffers
>
>
>
> What is the size for the three rubber buffers for the boot lid? I have a
> bag of about 50 and wonder if they are correct for that application.
>
> The painter put some on that are way too large in diameter.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken Freese
>
> 65 BJ8
>
>
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From vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 27 08:57:43 2023
From: vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com (Jean Caron)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2023 14:57:43 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] trunk lid rubber buffers
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 <003901d9f0ff$bf8dac80$3ea90580$@xtra.co.nz>
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Michael,
There are several of those buffers at various locations on different models. I know the ones you mean on the 3 chromed steel top bow retainers, I cannot believe that they were the shape of those available now originally as they get crushed, pulled out , tear etc in a matter of a few months.
On the 6 cyl. cars you have one size on the rear shroud where it meets with the lower lip of the boot, then you have two small ones on the doors where it meets with the swinging part of the door handle, then 2 more on the sidescreen mounting arms and two more on the top front corner of the sidescreens, one per side.

Jean
________________________________
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Michael Salter via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: September 27, 2023 12:48 PM
To: Mark Donaldson <ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz>
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] trunk lid rubber buffers

Whilst researching for the Guidelines some time ago I spent quite a bit of time on those boot lid buffers. Part No. 4G8595
They are somewhat illusive!
They appear in the 100 parts list as being used in the 3 chromed steel top bow retainers but no mention of any buffers for the boot lid.
They appear in the BN6 parts list as being used on the mounting arms for the side screens and for the boot lid although oddly they aren't listed in the part number index for the boot lid location.
They are listed in all the 3000 parts lists for the boot lid.
As far as I can figure the buffers used for the  chromed steel top bow retainers are significantly smaller than those used for the boot lid or for that matter the side screen mounting arms. (See photo).
All a bit confusing however I  will work on a Guidelines correction regarding these.
M

On Wed., Sep. 27, 2023, 1:15 a.m. Mark Donaldson via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:

The three button buffers on the tri-carb are 14mm x 3mm.



On my BN2 they are slightly wider ? 15mm  . . .  and looking a bit worse for wear after 67 years.  I must replace them.



In Imperial measurement, let?s say 9/16? x 1/8?



I didn?t pull one out to check the diameter of the spear.



Mark

Ardmore

NZ







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Sent: Tuesday, 26 September 2023 12:48 PM
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Subject: [Healeys] trunk lid rubber buffers



What is the size for the three rubber buffers for the boot lid? I have a bag of about 50 and wonder if they are correct for that application.

The painter put some on that are way too large in diameter.

Thanks,

Ken Freese

65 BJ8



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From ah3000me at gmail.com  Wed Sep 27 13:49:11 2023
From: ah3000me at gmail.com (Tom)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2023 15:49:11 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] tires, again...
Message-ID: <CANQM1PK3vxzVh=mOvHwXgoBJ4eTjacD8UUHpkbQuFstpQAXyVQ@mail.gmail.com>

My Khumo Powerstars, 165/80R15, have reached the end of their life.   They
were about $50 a tire 10 years ago, and I am looking for something in the
lower price range to replace them.  I'd love another set of Powerstars, but
Khumo doesn't make them in this size.

I have standard size wheels on my BJ8, so I don't want an oversized tire.
 Looking over places like Amazon, Walmart, and others online, it looks like
there are lots of options in that size.   Does anyone have tires they
recently purchased and would recommend?  Or not recommend?

thanks,
Tom
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From healey.nut at gmail.com  Thu Sep 28 02:40:05 2023
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 16:40:05 +0800
Subject: [Healeys] tires, again...
In-Reply-To: <CANQM1PK3vxzVh=mOvHwXgoBJ4eTjacD8UUHpkbQuFstpQAXyVQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey Tom -

Looks like Tire Rack has Vredstien Sprint classics, which are great tires
for the healey.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?zip-code=94589&width=165/&ratio=80&diameter=15&rearWidth=255/&rearRatio=40&rearDiameter=17&performance=ALL

Best,

Alan

On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 9:01?AM Tom <ah3000me at gmail.com> wrote:

> My Khumo Powerstars, 165/80R15, have reached the end of their life.   They
> were about $50 a tire 10 years ago, and I am looking for something in the
> lower price range to replace them.  I'd love another set of Powerstars, but
> Khumo doesn't make them in this size.
>
> I have standard size wheels on my BJ8, so I don't want an oversized tire.
>  Looking over places like Amazon, Walmart, and others online, it looks like
> there are lots of options in that size.   Does anyone have tires they
> recently purchased and would recommend?  Or not recommend?
>
> thanks,
> Tom
>
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From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca  Thu Sep 28 05:32:51 2023
From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 07:32:51 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] tires, again...
In-Reply-To: <CAFBXTkKw8eWAJG=3DFC0Wb5-XJrRDL4AbTnMVLsKWregAfP9jg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQM1PK3vxzVh=mOvHwXgoBJ4eTjacD8UUHpkbQuFstpQAXyVQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFBXTkKw8eWAJG=3DFC0Wb5-XJrRDL4AbTnMVLsKWregAfP9jg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004801d9f1ff$83d61460$8b823d20$@sympatico.ca>

I?ll second that.

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Alan Seigrist
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2023 4:40 AM
To: Tom <ah3000me at gmail.com>
Cc: Healey Mail List <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] tires, again...

 

Hey Tom -

 

Looks like Tire Rack has Vredstien Sprint classics, which are great tires for the healey.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?zip-code=94589 <https://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?zip-code=94589&width=165/&ratio=80&diameter=15&rearWidth=255/&rearRatio=40&rearDiameter=17&performance=ALL> &width=165/&ratio=80&diameter=15&rearWidth=255/&rearRatio=40&rearDiameter=17&performance=ALL

Best,

 

Alan

 

On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 9:01?AM Tom <ah3000me at gmail.com <mailto:ah3000me at gmail.com> > wrote:

My Khumo Powerstars, 165/80R15, have reached the end of their life.   They were about $50 a tire 10 years ago, and I am looking for something in the lower price range to replace them.  I'd love another set of Powerstars, but Khumo doesn't make them in this size.  

 

I have standard size wheels on my BJ8, so I don't want an oversized tire.   Looking over places like Amazon, Walmart, and others online, it looks like there are lots of options in that size.   Does anyone have tires they recently purchased and would recommend?  Or not recommend?

 

thanks,

Tom

 

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From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com  Thu Sep 28 06:38:05 2023
From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 13:38:05 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] Sidescreen felt
Message-ID: <002001d9f208$a1c8eca0$e55ac5e0$@alexarevel.plus.com>

Hi,

I?m trying to sort out the sidescreens in my MkII BT7. Nothing too drastic,
just the rubber seals and the felts. I gather that there are quite a few
different sidescreens so see attached.

 

Now. I bought the rubber surrounds and the so-called felt. Actually, the
surrounds aren?t rubber anymore. They?re some sort of synthetic siliconish
rubber lookalike. Problem being that stuff doesn?t stretch so it?s a pretty
tricky install. I half recall doing the same job about 25 years ago
.the
mists of time. I could push and pull them down the slots in the frames and
get them in. Not easy, but doable. I tried that this time
.it would go in
just so far ? about 80% - and then the friction would overcome my best
efforts and all my WD40. I spoke to Keith Bates at Ahead4Healeys, whence
they came. He said that the trick with these things is to lay them into the
slots so that one side is in place, then force the other side in with a
suitably rounded-off implement ie not to cut the material. That worked OK
and I?ll leave a note for my heirs as to how to do it in another 25 years
time.

That was just for info and interest
..So, the felt
It arrived as a length
about 70? (1780mm) long by  ?? (19.05mm). (Sufficient for both sides). Black
felt, nice stuff. It bears little resemblance to what?s survived in my car
which, I?d guess, started off at ?? (9.5mm) wide and is/was stuck to one
side of the groove through which the Perspex(?) slides.

I am tempted to try to lightly glue this stuff into the groove in a U-shape
and let the to and fro of the Perspex fashion it into shape. But I can see
that?s likely to be easier in theory than in practise! I have visions of
stuck windows and mess everywhere. 

Any ideas? What?s the accepted wisdom? Trouble being that it?s not something
that we do very often, if ever at all.

 

Interestingly, Keith said that there?s only one supplier worldwide for the
rubber seals. And that?s in the States, Moss. He kind of admitted that the
items are pretty shoddy but said that they might only sell 10 in a year, if
they?re lucky,  and that making their own was out of the question. Tooling
alone would kill it.

Simon

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From coudesluijs at chello.nl  Thu Sep 28 06:39:37 2023
From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 14:39:37 +0200
Subject: [Healeys] tires, again...
In-Reply-To: <004801d9f1ff$83d61460$8b823d20$@sympatico.ca>
References: <CANQM1PK3vxzVh=mOvHwXgoBJ4eTjacD8UUHpkbQuFstpQAXyVQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFBXTkKw8eWAJG=3DFC0Wb5-XJrRDL4AbTnMVLsKWregAfP9jg@mail.gmail.com>
 <004801d9f1ff$83d61460$8b823d20$@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <f6afb5c9-0ed4-4be1-8f95-12aacc2b6da3@chello.nl>

Cheap tyres in that size and of decent quality in Europe are:

-?80:

Vredestein T-trac 2
Hankook Kinergy
Continental CT22
Continental Conti-Contact
Toyo 330


?160-220
Vredestein Sprint
Michelin XZX
Yokohama
Avon Cr11b

Other big makes can be over ?400

Cheaper makes can disappoint in quality

Not sure which of these are available at what prices in the US but a 
quick search through Google will help you out.

Kees Oudesluijs



Op 28-9-2023 om 13:32 schreef m.g.sharp--- via Healeys:
>
> I?ll second that.
>
> *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Alan 
> Seigrist
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2023 4:40 AM
> *To:* Tom <ah3000me at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Healey Mail List <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] tires, again...
>
> Hey Tom -
>
> Looks like Tire Rack has Vredstien Sprint classics, which are great 
> tires for the healey.
>
> https://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?zip-code=94589&width=165/&ratio=80&diameter=15&rearWidth=255/&rearRatio=40&rearDiameter=17&performance=ALL 
> <https://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?zip-code=94589&width=165/&ratio=80&diameter=15&rearWidth=255/&rearRatio=40&rearDiameter=17&performance=ALL>
>
> Best,
>
> Alan
>
> On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 9:01?AM Tom <ah3000me at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     My Khumo Powerstars, 165/80R15, have reached the end of their
>     life.? ?They were about $50 a tire 10 years ago, and I am looking
>     for something in the lower price range to replace them.? I'd love
>     another set of Powerstars, but Khumo doesn't make them in this size.
>
>     I have standard size wheels on my BJ8, so I don't want an
>     oversized tire.? ?Looking over places like Amazon, Walmart, and
>     others online, it looks like there are lots of options in that
>     size. ?Does anyone have tires they recently purchased and would
>     recommend?? Or not recommend?
>
>     thanks,
>
>     Tom
>
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From coudesluijs at chello.nl  Thu Sep 28 07:35:16 2023
From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 15:35:16 +0200
Subject: [Healeys] Sidescreen felt
In-Reply-To: <002001d9f208$a1c8eca0$e55ac5e0$@alexarevel.plus.com>
References: <002001d9f208$a1c8eca0$e55ac5e0$@alexarevel.plus.com>
Message-ID: <b9edb5f6-a889-48fa-ba82-b867fda67cbc@chello.nl>

For rubber parts you may try Mc Greggor in Canada:

MacGregor British Car Parts
376 Mill Street, Units 5&6, Dundas, Ontario L9H 2M1
Phone: 905-627-4006

macgregorukcarparts.com

Kees Oudesluijs

Op 28-9-2023 om 14:38 schreef Simon Lachlan via Healeys:
>
> Hi,
>
> I?m trying to sort out the sidescreens in my MkII BT7. Nothing too 
> drastic, just the rubber seals and the felts. I gather that there are 
> quite a few different sidescreens so see attached.
>
> Now. I bought the rubber surrounds and the so-called felt. Actually, 
> the surrounds aren?t rubber anymore. They?re some sort of synthetic 
> siliconish rubber lookalike. Problem being that stuff doesn?t stretch 
> so it?s a pretty tricky install. I half recall doing the same job 
> about 25 years ago?.the mists of time. I could push and pull them down 
> the slots in the frames and get them in. Not easy, but doable. I tried 
> that this time?.it would go in just so far ? about 80% - and then the 
> friction would overcome my best efforts and all my WD40. I spoke to 
> Keith Bates at Ahead4Healeys, whence they came. He said that the trick 
> with these things is to lay them into the slots so that one side is in 
> place, then force the other side in with a suitably rounded-off 
> implement ie not to cut the material. That worked OK and I?ll leave a 
> note for my heirs as to how to do it in another 25 years time.
>
> That was just for info and interest?..So, the felt?It arrived as a 
> length about 70? (1780mm) long by? ?? (19.05mm). (Sufficient for both 
> sides). Black felt, nice stuff. It bears little resemblance to what?s 
> survived in my car which, I?d guess, started off at ?? (9.5mm) wide 
> and is/was stuck to one side of the groove through which the 
> Perspex(?) slides.
>
> I am tempted to try to lightly glue this stuff into the groove in a 
> U-shape and let the to and fro of the Perspex fashion it into shape. 
> But I can see that?s likely to be easier in theory than in practise! I 
> have visions of stuck windows and mess everywhere.
>
> Any ideas? What?s the accepted wisdom? Trouble being that it?s not 
> something that we do very often, if ever at all.
>
> Interestingly, Keith said that there?s only one supplier worldwide for 
> the rubber seals. And that?s in the States, Moss. He kind of admitted 
> that the items are pretty shoddy but said that they might only sell 10 
> in a year, if they?re lucky, ?and that making their own was out of the 
> question. Tooling alone would kill it.
>
> Simon
>
>
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Thu Sep 28 08:30:39 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 07:30:39 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] tires, again...
In-Reply-To: <004801d9f1ff$83d61460$8b823d20$@sympatico.ca>
References: <CANQM1PK3vxzVh=mOvHwXgoBJ4eTjacD8UUHpkbQuFstpQAXyVQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFBXTkKw8eWAJG=3DFC0Wb5-XJrRDL4AbTnMVLsKWregAfP9jg@mail.gmail.com>
 <004801d9f1ff$83d61460$8b823d20$@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <cad12905-e92e-3689-fee8-466163d71c01@comcast.net>

Thirded.


On 9/28/2023 4:32 AM, m.g.sharp--- via Healeys wrote:
>
> I?ll second that.
>
> *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Alan 
> Seigrist
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2023 4:40 AM
> *To:* Tom <ah3000me at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Healey Mail List <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] tires, again...
>
> Hey Tom -
>
> Looks like Tire Rack has Vredstien Sprint classics, which are great 
> tires for the healey.
>
> https://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?zip-code=94589&width=165/&ratio=80&diameter=15&rearWidth=255/&rearRatio=40&rearDiameter=17&performance=ALL 
> <https://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?zip-code=94589&width=165/&ratio=80&diameter=15&rearWidth=255/&rearRatio=40&rearDiameter=17&performance=ALL>
>
> Best,
>
> Alan
>
> On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 9:01?AM Tom <ah3000me at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     My Khumo Powerstars, 165/80R15, have reached the end of their
>     life.? ?They were about $50 a tire 10 years ago, and I am looking
>     for something in the lower price range to replace them.? I'd love
>     another set of Powerstars, but Khumo doesn't make them in this size.
>
>     I have standard size wheels on my BJ8, so I don't want an
>     oversized tire.? ?Looking over places like Amazon, Walmart, and
>     others online, it looks like there are lots of options in that
>     size. ?Does anyone have tires they recently purchased and would
>     recommend?? Or not recommend?
>
>     thanks,
>
>     Tom
>
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Thu Sep 28 10:12:02 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 09:12:02 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] tires, again...
In-Reply-To: <f6afb5c9-0ed4-4be1-8f95-12aacc2b6da3@chello.nl>
References: <CANQM1PK3vxzVh=mOvHwXgoBJ4eTjacD8UUHpkbQuFstpQAXyVQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFBXTkKw8eWAJG=3DFC0Wb5-XJrRDL4AbTnMVLsKWregAfP9jg@mail.gmail.com>
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Not particularly relevant, but when I bought Vreds years ago I was told 
the US national manager for Vredestein was a Healey owner. I had one of 
their Sprint Classic brochures and it had the front of a red BJ8 on the 
cover.

I have NFI--just a loyal customer--but Tom Monaco at Tom's Import Toys 
is a Vredestein distributor and will generally match or beat the 'big 
guys.' I got a new set of Vred 165/HR-15s--i.e. not 'low profile' and 
close to original size--Sprint Classics and MVS wheels for my BN2 
mounted, balanced and shipped by Tom, which eliminated a pretty nasty 
scuttle shake. I previously had what I think were the original wheels 
mounted with some Nexens I bought at Walmart; I think the Nexens were OK 
but hard to tell with the grossly out-of-true wheels, and I didn't put a 
lot of miles on them.

bs

On 9/28/2023 5:39 AM, Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys wrote:
>
> Cheap tyres in that size and of decent quality in Europe are:
>
> -?80:
>
> Vredestein T-trac 2
> Hankook Kinergy
> Continental CT22
> Continental Conti-Contact
> Toyo 330
>
>
> ?160-220
> Vredestein Sprint
> Michelin XZX
> Yokohama
> Avon Cr11b
>
> Other big makes can be over ?400
>
> Cheaper makes can disappoint in quality
>
> Not sure which of these are available at what prices in the US but a 
> quick search through Google will help you out.
>
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
>
>
> Op 28-9-2023 om 13:32 schreef m.g.sharp--- via Healeys:
>>
>> I?ll second that.
>>
>> *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Alan 
>> Seigrist
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2023 4:40 AM
>> *To:* Tom <ah3000me at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* Healey Mail List <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] tires, again...
>>
>> Hey Tom -
>>
>> Looks like Tire Rack has Vredstien Sprint classics, which are great 
>> tires for the healey.
>>
>> https://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?zip-code=94589&width=165/&ratio=80&diameter=15&rearWidth=255/&rearRatio=40&rearDiameter=17&performance=ALL 
>> <https://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?zip-code=94589&width=165/&ratio=80&diameter=15&rearWidth=255/&rearRatio=40&rearDiameter=17&performance=ALL>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 9:01?AM Tom <ah3000me at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>     My Khumo Powerstars, 165/80R15, have reached the end of their
>>     life.? ?They were about $50 a tire 10 years ago, and I am looking
>>     for something in the lower price range to replace them. I'd love
>>     another set of Powerstars, but Khumo doesn't make them in this size.
>>
>>     I have standard size wheels on my BJ8, so I don't want an
>>     oversized tire.? ?Looking over places like Amazon, Walmart, and
>>     others online, it looks like there are lots of options in that
>>     size.? ?Does anyone have tires they recently purchased and would
>>     recommend?? Or not recommend?
>>
>>     thanks,
>>
>>     Tom
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>     Suggested annual donation? $12.75
>>
>>     Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys
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From 55healey at comcast.net  Thu Sep 28 11:10:26 2023
From: 55healey at comcast.net (Robert Westcott)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 10:10:26 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] tires, again...
In-Reply-To: <f6afb5c9-0ed4-4be1-8f95-12aacc2b6da3@chello.nl>
References: <CANQM1PK3vxzVh=mOvHwXgoBJ4eTjacD8UUHpkbQuFstpQAXyVQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFBXTkKw8eWAJG=3DFC0Wb5-XJrRDL4AbTnMVLsKWregAfP9jg@mail.gmail.com>
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Absolute best deal is at  INFO at LONGSTONETYRES.CO.UK  Last time I ordered the Michelin 15? XZX they were very reasonable.
Current price looks like ?500 ( about $610 )for a set of 5.  Free shipping, no tax. Don't pay the VAT. Fast delivery to my door in around a week.

Rob



> On Sep 28, 2023, at 5:39 AM, Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Cheap tyres in that size and of decent quality in Europe are:
> 
> -?80:
> 
> Vredestein T-trac 2
> Hankook Kinergy
> Continental CT22
> Continental Conti-Contact
> Toyo 330
> 
> 
> ?160-220
> Vredestein Sprint
> Michelin XZX
> Yokohama
> Avon Cr11b
> 
> Other big makes can be over ?400
> 
> Cheaper makes can disappoint in quality
> 
> Not sure which of these are available at what prices in the US but a quick search through Google will help you out.
> 
> Kees Oudesluijs
> 


From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 28 20:51:13 2023
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 19:51:13 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Windscreen scratches
Message-ID: <CABXhz8_K2k3o9ExD32NAhPt8eZYBuLZGDB=gGA3gFXgRKtFHmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy all
Is there any proven way to remove wiper blade scratches from a windscreen?
Thanks all

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
1967 MGB Roadster
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From dmasucci at charter.net  Fri Sep 29 04:21:16 2023
From: dmasucci at charter.net (David Masucci)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 06:21:16 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] BADGE, Austin Healey MK III
In-Reply-To: <204851122.3519550.1695221399635.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
References: <1107269460.3513624.1695221167784.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
 <204851122.3519550.1695221399635.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <BCD9729E-0C7D-420F-B887-3E7B5D3F8DF6@charter.net>

Hi all,

Atter 11+ years, my BJ8 has finally reached the point where I took her home yesterday painted Healey Blue. Now I can put all of the nice painted body parts back on, hopefully without scratching anything. 

Back in 2015 I purchased many parts in preparation for this day. One item is the MKIII badge (of which I opened the box for the first time yesterday). When I place it in it?s spot on the front shroud, I was not happy with the way that it looked compared to 2 old badges that I have. 

The old badge has less of an arch, and fits more flush to the body. The first thing I noticed is that the repro has more of an arch left to right. It?s more bulbous left to right than the originals.  This new one really only touches the body at the ends of the ?wings?. To me, I think it looks wrong. 

In 2015 I paid $234 for this part from Moss. I see Moss lists this part now for $399?ouch! Does anyone have any experience with this part? Has the reproduction part improved since 2015? 

Thanks in advance,

Dave

64 Healey Blue BJ8!
72 XJ6



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From rmarkovich at aol.com  Fri Sep 29 04:41:22 2023
From: rmarkovich at aol.com (Robert Markovich)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 10:41:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Windscreen scratches
In-Reply-To: <CABXhz8_K2k3o9ExD32NAhPt8eZYBuLZGDB=gGA3gFXgRKtFHmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABXhz8_K2k3o9ExD32NAhPt8eZYBuLZGDB=gGA3gFXgRKtFHmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1632607491.1128137.1695984082335@mail.yahoo.com>

There are some some places?that polish windshields. But ultimately it may be more cost-effective to?simply replace. Triplex is the brand to use; an OEM manufacturer that supplied them back?then. The rest often don?t fit right and eventually crack from stress points, as I?ve found.?


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On Friday, September 29, 2023, 2:01 AM, i erbs <eyera3000 at gmail.com> wrote:

Howdy all?Is there any proven way to remove wiper blade scratches from a windscreen?Thanks all?

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
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1967 MGB Roadster_______________________________________________
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From dmasucci at charter.net  Fri Sep 29 05:32:20 2023
From: dmasucci at charter.net (David Masucci)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 07:32:20 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] BADGE, Austin Healey MK III
In-Reply-To: <BCD9729E-0C7D-420F-B887-3E7B5D3F8DF6@charter.net>
References: <1107269460.3513624.1695221167784.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
 <204851122.3519550.1695221399635.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
 <BCD9729E-0C7D-420F-B887-3E7B5D3F8DF6@charter.net>
Message-ID: <E355913B-B505-4E09-BF2D-41E7513DA780@charter.net>

In reference to the repro front badge question that I posted earlier, the image below shows the difference.



> On Sep 29, 2023, at 6:21 AM, David Masucci via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Atter 11+ years, my BJ8 has finally reached the point where I took her home yesterday painted Healey Blue. Now I can put all of the nice painted body parts back on, hopefully without scratching anything. 
> 
> Back in 2015 I purchased many parts in preparation for this day. One item is the MKIII badge (of which I opened the box for the first time yesterday). When I place it in it?s spot on the front shroud, I was not happy with the way that it looked compared to 2 old badges that I have. 
> 
> The old badge has less of an arch, and fits more flush to the body. The first thing I noticed is that the repro has more of an arch left to right. It?s more bulbous left to right than the originals.  This new one really only touches the body at the ends of the ?wings?. To me, I think it looks wrong. 
> 
> In 2015 I paid $234 for this part from Moss. I see Moss lists this part now for $399?ouch! Does anyone have any experience with this part? Has the reproduction part improved since 2015? 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Dave
> 
> 64 Healey Blue BJ8!
> 72 XJ6
> 
> 
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Fri Sep 29 06:23:48 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 05:23:48 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Windscreen scratches
In-Reply-To: <1632607491.1128137.1695984082335@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CABXhz8_K2k3o9ExD32NAhPt8eZYBuLZGDB=gGA3gFXgRKtFHmQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1632607491.1128137.1695984082335@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47700bba-fd50-1f34-d235-20ca95a333e6@comcast.net>

I used a kit with some sandpaper, a mild abrasive and an attachment for 
a drill to polish my BN2's windshield. IIRC, I got it from Eastwood:

https://www.eastwood.com/glass-polishing-kit-for-deep-scratches.html

The 'rule-of-thumb' is if the scratch can be felt with a fingernail it 
can't be removed, but my car had mostly mild wiper wear and the kit did 
the job well enough I can live with it.

Bob


On 9/29/2023 3:41 AM, Robert Markovich via Healeys wrote:
> There are some some places?that polish windshields. But ultimately it 
> may be more cost-effective to?simply replace. Triplex is the brand to 
> use; an OEM manufacturer that supplied them back?then. The rest often 
> don?t fit right and eventually crack from stress points, as I?ve found.
>
>
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS 
> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661>
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> On Friday, September 29, 2023, 2:01 AM, i erbs <eyera3000 at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>     Howdy all
>     Is there any proven way to remove wiper blade scratches from a
>     windscreen?
>     Thanks all
>
>     Ira Erbs
>     Milwaukie, OR
>     1959 Austin Healey 100-6
>     1967 MGB Roadster
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From coudesluijs at chello.nl  Fri Sep 29 06:29:19 2023
From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 14:29:19 +0200
Subject: [Healeys] BADGE, Austin Healey MK III
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References: <1107269460.3513624.1695221167784.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
 <204851122.3519550.1695221399635.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
 <BCD9729E-0C7D-420F-B887-3E7B5D3F8DF6@charter.net>
 <E355913B-B505-4E09-BF2D-41E7513DA780@charter.net>
Message-ID: <d0749859-556a-413a-9eda-464a1c734a76@chello.nl>

Many repro badges for all kinds of classics have the wrong curvature. 
Made to a price I am afraid. Any producer wherever they are located can 
make proper badges, but at a cost. Moss probably did not pay more than a 
tenner originally and made a nice profit.
Fit the old one if it is anywhere near decent, it is authentic so a bit 
of patination adds to the charm of it.

Kees Oudesluijs

Op 29-9-2023 om 13:32 schreef David Masucci via Healeys:
> In reference to the repro front badge question that I posted earlier, 
> the image below shows the difference.
>
> 20230929_071108.jpg
>
>> On Sep 29, 2023, at 6:21 AM, David Masucci via Healeys 
>> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Atter 11+ years, my BJ8 has finally reached the point where I took 
>> her home yesterday painted Healey Blue. Now I can put all of the nice 
>> painted body parts?back on, hopefully without scratching anything.
>>
>> Back in 2015 I purchased many parts in preparation for this day. One 
>> item is the MKIII badge (of which I opened the box for the first time 
>> yesterday). When I?place it in it?s?spot on the front shroud, I was 
>> not happy with?the?way that it looked compared to 2 old badges that I 
>> have.
>>
>> The old badge has less of an arch, and fits more flush to?the body. 
>> The first thing I noticed is?that the repro has more of an arch left 
>> to right. It?s more bulbous left to right than the originals. ?This 
>> new one really only?touches the body at the ends of the??wings?. To 
>> me, I think it looks wrong.
>>
>> In 2015 I paid $234 for this part from Moss. I see Moss?lists this 
>> part now for $399?ouch! Does anyone have any experience with this 
>> part? Has the reproduction part improved since 2015?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> 64 Healey Blue BJ8!
>> 72 XJ6
>>
>>
>>
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From healey100m at me.com  Fri Sep 29 08:06:04 2023
From: healey100m at me.com (Randy Hicks)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 10:06:04 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Monty Auto Transport
Message-ID: <C770F474-6E00-432D-959A-8142EA0B5891@me.com>

Has anyone used Monty Auto Transport to ship a Car? Looking to ship non-Healey to AZ.

Appreciate any comments.

Randy

From healeymanjim at hansencc.net  Fri Sep 29 09:06:58 2023
From: healeymanjim at hansencc.net (=?utf-8?Q?healeymanjim?=)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 08:06:58 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] =?utf-8?q?free_stuff?=
Message-ID: <20230929150658.14635.qmail@server278.com>

have 5 pieces of door channel for early BN4 (moss # 805-158).  yours for shipping costs

From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com  Fri Sep 29 09:22:54 2023
From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 16:22:54 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] BADGE, Austin Healey MK III
In-Reply-To: <BCD9729E-0C7D-420F-B887-3E7B5D3F8DF6@charter.net>
References: <1107269460.3513624.1695221167784.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
 <204851122.3519550.1695221399635.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
 <BCD9729E-0C7D-420F-B887-3E7B5D3F8DF6@charter.net>
Message-ID: <000001d9f2e8$d2d5c620$78815260$@alexarevel.plus.com>

I wonder if you could get a refund from Moss and have your original restored?

I?ve used Pamela David Enamels:-

 <http://www.badgecraft.co.uk/> ONE-OFF BADGE MANUFACTURE & RESTORATION OF GLASS ENAMEL BADGES (badgecraft.co.uk)

Don?t be put off by the rustic state of their website or the reference to faxes. Their work is excellent. They are not VAT registered so it?s ?266:00(!!!) plus shipping. It would be done by February!

A lot of money. A lot of time. But you?ll have something as good as new. I put my money where my mouth is and had them do mine. Mine looks just right, I think, and I was flattered if extremely pissed off when a bodyshop stole it and put on a crummy repro. ?Oh?, the man said, ?we always put on new badges when we work on classics.? I asked where mine was.. ?We threw it out, of course?.

I told him that he had 5 minutes to rethink whereupon he opened his drawer and passed it over. The police was not interested! Enough waffle?

Simon



 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of David Masucci via Healeys
Sent: 29 September 2023 11:21
To: Ahealey help <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] BADGE, Austin Healey MK III

 

Hi all,

 

Atter 11+ years, my BJ8 has finally reached the point where I took her home yesterday painted Healey Blue. Now I can put all of the nice painted body parts back on, hopefully without scratching anything. 

 

Back in 2015 I purchased many parts in preparation for this day. One item is the MKIII badge (of which I opened the box for the first time yesterday). When I place it in it?s spot on the front shroud, I was not happy with the way that it looked compared to 2 old badges that I have. 

 

The old badge has less of an arch, and fits more flush to the body. The first thing I noticed is that the repro has more of an arch left to right. It?s more bulbous left to right than the originals.  This new one really only touches the body at the ends of the ?wings?. To me, I think it looks wrong. 

 

In 2015 I paid $234 for this part from Moss. I see Moss lists this part now for $399?ouch! Does anyone have any experience with this part? Has the reproduction part improved since 2015? 

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Dave

 

64 Healey Blue BJ8!

72 XJ6

 

 

 

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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 29 10:08:11 2023
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 09:08:11 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Windscreen scratches
In-Reply-To: <47700bba-fd50-1f34-d235-20ca95a333e6@comcast.net>
References: <CABXhz8_K2k3o9ExD32NAhPt8eZYBuLZGDB=gGA3gFXgRKtFHmQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1632607491.1128137.1695984082335@mail.yahoo.com>
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I got nothing to loose. Might as well give it a try. BTW, this is on my
67B. Those windscreens are spendy to replace

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
1967 MGB Roadster

On Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 9:06 AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

> I used a kit with some sandpaper, a mild abrasive and an attachment for a
> drill to polish my BN2's windshield. IIRC, I got it from Eastwood:
>
> https://www.eastwood.com/glass-polishing-kit-for-deep-scratches.html
>
> The 'rule-of-thumb' is if the scratch can be felt with a fingernail it
> can't be removed, but my car had mostly mild wiper wear and the kit did the
> job well enough I can live with it.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On 9/29/2023 3:41 AM, Robert Markovich via Healeys wrote:
>
> There are some some places that polish windshields. But ultimately it may
> be more cost-effective to simply replace. Triplex is the brand to use; an
> OEM manufacturer that supplied them back then. The rest often don?t fit
> right and eventually crack from stress points, as I?ve found.
>
>
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661>
>
> On Friday, September 29, 2023, 2:01 AM, i erbs <eyera3000 at gmail.com>
> <eyera3000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Howdy all
> Is there any proven way to remove wiper blade scratches from a windscreen?
> Thanks all
>
> Ira Erbs
> Milwaukie, OR
> 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
> 1967 MGB Roadster
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From healey100m at me.com  Fri Sep 29 10:20:02 2023
From: healey100m at me.com (Randy Hicks)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 12:20:02 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Monty Auto Transport
In-Reply-To: <C770F474-6E00-432D-959A-8142EA0B5891@me.com>
References: <C770F474-6E00-432D-959A-8142EA0B5891@me.com>
Message-ID: <D1DB9E29-3604-44EF-B607-EF55F892D841@me.com>

Correction Montway Auto Transport

Randy

> On Sep 29, 2023, at 10:06 AM, Randy Hicks <healey100m at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone used Monty Auto Transport to ship a Car? Looking to ship non-Healey to AZ.
> 
> Appreciate any comments.
> 
> Randy


From britfan1 at epix.net  Fri Sep 29 11:20:21 2023
From: britfan1 at epix.net (S.Carr)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 13:20:21 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] BADGE, Austin Healey MK III
In-Reply-To: <BCD9729E-0C7D-420F-B887-3E7B5D3F8DF6@charter.net>
References: <1107269460.3513624.1695221167784.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
 <204851122.3519550.1695221399635.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
 <BCD9729E-0C7D-420F-B887-3E7B5D3F8DF6@charter.net>
Message-ID: <957836674.37165.1696008027754@epix.net>

Hemmings Motor News used to have an ad from a company that re-enameled badges, but I can?t find it in the print or on-line edition right now.  If you know of a business that restores Classic cars, ask them if they have a source?
Sarah Carr
Ex-BN1 in PA


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Sent: Friday, September 29, 2023 6:32 AM
To: Ahealey help
Subject: [Healeys] BADGE, Austin Healey MK III
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From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com  Fri Sep 29 14:15:33 2023
From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 21:15:33 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] Sidescreen felt
Message-ID: <000001d9f311$b4abc590$1e0350b0$@alexarevel.plus.com>

Thanks for the replies, the advice. U-shape and glue it is. I thought it
would be but kind of hoped it wouldn't.

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From sentenac.rw at gmail.com  Fri Sep 29 17:17:00 2023
From: sentenac.rw at gmail.com (Roland Wilhelmy)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 16:17:00 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] BADGE, Austin Healey MK III
In-Reply-To: <000001d9f2e8$d2d5c620$78815260$@alexarevel.plus.com>
References: <1107269460.3513624.1695221167784.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
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I second Simon's recommendation.  They restored my BN1's badge, and it was
perfect.  Expect it to take time.  It's worth the time and money.
-Roland Wilhelmy

On Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 2:35 PM Simon Lachlan via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I wonder if you could get a refund from Moss and have your original
> restored?
>
> I?ve used Pamela David Enamels:-
>
> ONE-OFF BADGE MANUFACTURE & RESTORATION OF GLASS ENAMEL BADGES
> (badgecraft.co.uk) <http://www.badgecraft.co.uk/>
>
> Don?t be put off by the rustic state of their website or the reference to
> faxes. Their work is excellent. They are not VAT registered so it?s
> ?266:00(!!!) plus shipping. It would be done by February!
>
> A lot of money. A lot of time. But you?ll have something as good as new. I
> put my money where my mouth is and had them do mine. Mine looks just right,
> I think, and I was flattered if extremely pissed off when a bodyshop stole
> it and put on a crummy repro. ?Oh?, the man said, ?we always put on new
> badges when we work on classics.? I asked where mine was.. ?We threw it
> out, of course?.
>
> I told him that he had 5 minutes to rethink whereupon he opened his drawer
> and passed it over. The police was not interested! Enough waffle?
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *David
> Masucci via Healeys
> *Sent:* 29 September 2023 11:21
> *To:* Ahealey help <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Healeys] BADGE, Austin Healey MK III
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Atter 11+ years, my BJ8 has finally reached the point where I took her
> home yesterday painted Healey Blue. Now I can put all of the nice painted
> body parts back on, hopefully without scratching anything.
>
>
>
> Back in 2015 I purchased many parts in preparation for this day. One item
> is the MKIII badge (of which I opened the box for the first time
> yesterday). When I place it in it?s spot on the front shroud, I was not
> happy with the way that it looked compared to 2 old badges that I have.
>
>
>
> The old badge has less of an arch, and fits more flush to the body. The
> first thing I noticed is that the repro has more of an arch left to right.
> It?s more bulbous left to right than the originals.  This new one really
> only touches the body at the ends of the ?wings?. To me, I think it looks
> wrong.
>
>
>
> In 2015 I paid $234 for this part from Moss. I see Moss lists this part
> now for $399?ouch! Does anyone have any experience with this part? Has the
> reproduction part improved since 2015?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> 64 Healey Blue BJ8!
>
> 72 XJ6
>
>
>
>
>
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From ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz  Fri Sep 29 21:28:49 2023
From: ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz (Mark Donaldson)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2023 16:28:49 +1300
Subject: [Healeys] Windscreen scratches
In-Reply-To: <CABXhz89ec+VEd5gVbV1siDDoXsOvZ9Ptks0wimiUDvCb32q4jQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABXhz8_K2k3o9ExD32NAhPt8eZYBuLZGDB=gGA3gFXgRKtFHmQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1632607491.1128137.1695984082335@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <000901d9f34e$3af0f990$b0d2ecb0$@xtra.co.nz>

Ira,

 

I have a spare windscreen with wiper blade ?rainbow? scratches on both sides.  To remove them I have purchased some CERIUM OXIDE to make a paste and hand-polish them out.  

The people at the glass company told me the process will be slow (a lot of elbow grease) but applying it to a soft rotary pad will speed up the procedure.

My cost equates to about US $15 for 4 ounces.  That amount should do the whole windscreen.

 

Here is a useful YouTube link:    <https://youtu.be/4ZJPPC1ak50> https://youtu.be/4ZJPPC1ak50

 



 

 

          

 

 

              

 

I hope this will help.

 

Mark

Ardmore

NZ

 

 

From: i erbs <eyera3000 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Saturday, 30 September 2023 5:08 AM
To: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
Cc: Ahealey help <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Windscreen scratches

 

I got nothing to loose. Might as well give it a try. BTW, this is on my 67B. Those windscreens are spendy to replace 

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
1967 MGB Roadster

 

On Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 9:06 AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net <mailto:bspidell at comcast.net> > wrote:

I used a kit with some sandpaper, a mild abrasive and an attachment for a drill to polish my BN2's windshield. IIRC, I got it from Eastwood:

https://www.eastwood.com/glass-polishing-kit-for-deep-scratches.html

The 'rule-of-thumb' is if the scratch can be felt with a fingernail it can't be removed, but my car had mostly mild wiper wear and the kit did the job well enough I can live with it.

Bob



On 9/29/2023 3:41 AM, Robert Markovich via Healeys wrote:

There are some some places that polish windshields. But ultimately it may be more cost-effective to simply replace. Triplex is the brand to use; an OEM manufacturer that supplied them back then. The rest often don?t fit right and eventually crack from stress points, as I?ve found. 



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On Friday, September 29, 2023, 2:01 AM, i erbs  <mailto:eyera3000 at gmail.com> <eyera3000 at gmail.com> wrote:

Howdy all  

Is there any proven way to remove wiper blade scratches from a windscreen?

Thanks all 

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
1967 MGB Roadster

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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 29 22:38:55 2023
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 21:38:55 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Windscreen scratches
In-Reply-To: <CABXhz8_K2k3o9ExD32NAhPt8eZYBuLZGDB=gGA3gFXgRKtFHmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABXhz8_K2k3o9ExD32NAhPt8eZYBuLZGDB=gGA3gFXgRKtFHmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABXhz88q7szW_iuBBX1gs2sdYp0GTBR-E_=rZthMfZpYddw++w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks all for the advice. I will try removing it and will report back.

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
1967 MGB Roadster

On Thu, Sep 28, 2023, 7:51 PM i erbs <eyera3000 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Howdy all
> Is there any proven way to remove wiper blade scratches from a windscreen?
> Thanks all
>
> Ira Erbs
> Milwaukie, OR
> 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
> 1967 MGB Roadster
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Sat Sep 30 09:39:56 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2023 11:39:56 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Electrical problem NON HEALEY
Message-ID: <CAB3i7LKV33e8Jc_ss0BVT64_2amGbro6gAJhHdCOY2CP053Wiw@mail.gmail.com>

This group has been a huge help in the past and I am wondering if
there are any electrical guys out there who can help me with a DC
electrical problem.

I'm trying to help my BIL with the propulsion system for a 30 ton
wooden boat on our lake.
This 100 year old boat was originally steam powered but in keeping
with modern times it has been converted to electric propulsion.
It is fitted with a 106 volt DC motor
At normal cruise the motor draws 45 amps.
It has eighteen 220 amp hour AGM batteries.
The batteries are arranged in 2 banks of 9 in parallel so each bank
produces 108 VDC
By my calculations ...
For a total of 45 amps each bank would deliver 22.5 amps.
Consisting of 2.5 amps from each of the 9 batteries.
Each battery is 220 amp hours.
Presuming that you want to avoid discharging below 50% the usable
capacity of each is 110 amp hours.
So my calculation for the running time is 110/2.5 = 44 hours !!!!
It only runs for about 20 minutes before the amperage starts dropping
off rapidly.

Are my calculations correct?
If not, where are they wrong?

Thanks

M

From llennep at verizon.net  Sat Sep 30 10:46:31 2023
From: llennep at verizon.net (llennep at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2023 16:46:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Windscreen scratches
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References: <CABXhz8_K2k3o9ExD32NAhPt8eZYBuLZGDB=gGA3gFXgRKtFHmQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 What is special about cerium oxide? ?Why not use zinc oxide?
    On Saturday, September 30, 2023, 04:20:50 AM EDT, Mark Donaldson <ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz> wrote:  
 
 
Ira,

 ?

I have a spare windscreen with wiper blade ?rainbow? scratches on both sides.? To remove them I have purchased some CERIUM OXIDE to make a paste and hand-polish them out.? 

The people at the glass company told me the process will be slow (a lot of elbow grease) but applying it to a soft rotary pad will speed up the procedure.

My cost equates to about US $15 for 4 ounces.? That amount should do the whole windscreen.

 ?

Here is a useful YouTube link:?? https://youtu.be/4ZJPPC1ak50

 ?



 ?

 ?

????????? 

 ?

 ?

 ??????????????

 ?

I hope this will help.

 ?

Mark

Ardmore

NZ

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From: i erbs <eyera3000 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Saturday, 30 September 2023 5:08 AM
To: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
Cc: Ahealey help <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Windscreen scratches

 ?

I got nothing to loose. Might as well give it a try. BTW, this is on my 67B. Those windscreens are spendy to replace?

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
1967 MGB Roadster

 ?

On Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 9:06 AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:


I used a kit with some sandpaper, a mild abrasive and an attachment for a drill to polish my BN2's windshield. IIRC, I got it from Eastwood:

https://www.eastwood.com/glass-polishing-kit-for-deep-scratches.html

The 'rule-of-thumb' is if the scratch can be felt with a fingernail it can't be removed, but my car had mostly mild wiper wear and the kit did the job well enough I can live with it.

Bob



On 9/29/2023 3:41 AM, Robert Markovich via Healeys wrote:


There are some some places?that polish windshields. But ultimately it may be more cost-effective to?simply replace. Triplex is the brand to use; an OEM manufacturer that supplied them back?then. The rest often don?t fit right and eventually crack from stress points, as I?ve found.?



Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS

 ?

On Friday, September 29, 2023, 2:01 AM, i erbs <eyera3000 at gmail.com> wrote:


Howdy all? 

Is there any proven way to remove wiper blade scratches from a windscreen?

Thanks all?

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
1967 MGB Roadster

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From ah100tech at gmail.com  Sat Sep 30 12:08:18 2023
From: ah100tech at gmail.com (john harper)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2023 19:08:18 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] Electrical problem NON HEALEY
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Micheal

No real answer but just a thought

I assume that the batteries are nominally 12V.

How do you know that all the batteries are fully charged?

AGM batteries have different changing characteristics that are not the same
as lead acid. I admit that I have not studied this in detail but there
appear to be different chargers for AGM and Lead Acid

There also might be some confusion in the current flow when charging two
banks in parallel. One bank might show that it is fully charged and turn
off the charging whereas the other bank may still need more input. If
possible try charging each bank separately and before connecting them back
together measure the voltage difference. If significant one bank would
maybe try to discharge the other.

If one of the 12V batteries is starting to have problems then check after
charging each bank and measure the nominal 12V of each battery. These
voltages should be very similar. If one is different it could cause an
overall problem.

As I say just some thoughts

All the best

On Sat, 30 Sept 2023 at 17:15, Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
wrote:

> This group has been a huge help in the past and I am wondering if
> there are any electrical guys out there who can help me with a DC
> electrical problem.
>
> I'm trying to help my BIL with the propulsion system for a 30 ton
> wooden boat on our lake.
> This 100 year old boat was originally steam powered but in keeping
> with modern times it has been converted to electric propulsion.
> It is fitted with a 106 volt DC motor
> At normal cruise the motor draws 45 amps.
> It has eighteen 220 amp hour AGM batteries.
> The batteries are arranged in 2 banks of 9 in parallel so each bank
> produces 108 VDC
> By my calculations ...
> For a total of 45 amps each bank would deliver 22.5 amps.
> Consisting of 2.5 amps from each of the 9 batteries.
> Each battery is 220 amp hours.
> Presuming that you want to avoid discharging below 50% the usable
> capacity of each is 110 amp hours.
> So my calculation for the running time is 110/2.5 = 44 hours !!!!
> It only runs for about 20 minutes before the amperage starts dropping
> off rapidly.
>
> Are my calculations correct?
> If not, where are they wrong?
>
> Thanks
>
> M
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From sentenac.rw at gmail.com  Sat Sep 30 12:38:51 2023
From: sentenac.rw at gmail.com (Roland Wilhelmy)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2023 11:38:51 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Electrical problem NON HEALEY
In-Reply-To: <CAB3i7LKV33e8Jc_ss0BVT64_2amGbro6gAJhHdCOY2CP053Wiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB3i7LKV33e8Jc_ss0BVT64_2amGbro6gAJhHdCOY2CP053Wiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADpDe+Z3BGW+Xq3Bxj9zkTBONmkF6quEyz1SWrDE_F0Y_aHfcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Each battery has to deliver 22.5 amps.  The nine batteries are in series.
The voltage adds but the current is constant .  Then you correctly add the
currents for the two parallel circuits.  20 minutes at 23 amps will quickly
discharge your batteries.  At high discharge rates you don't get the
advertised amp hours.
-Roland

On Sat, Sep 30, 2023, 9:06 AM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
wrote:

> This group has been a huge help in the past and I am wondering if
> there are any electrical guys out there who can help me with a DC
> electrical problem.
>
> I'm trying to help my BIL with the propulsion system for a 30 ton
> wooden boat on our lake.
> This 100 year old boat was originally steam powered but in keeping
> with modern times it has been converted to electric propulsion.
> It is fitted with a 106 volt DC motor
> At normal cruise the motor draws 45 amps.
> It has eighteen 220 amp hour AGM batteries.
> The batteries are arranged in 2 banks of 9 in parallel so each bank
> produces 108 VDC
> By my calculations ...
> For a total of 45 amps each bank would deliver 22.5 amps.
> Consisting of 2.5 amps from each of the 9 batteries.
> Each battery is 220 amp hours.
> Presuming that you want to avoid discharging below 50% the usable
> capacity of each is 110 amp hours.
> So my calculation for the running time is 110/2.5 = 44 hours !!!!
> It only runs for about 20 minutes before the amperage starts dropping
> off rapidly.
>
> Are my calculations correct?
> If not, where are they wrong?
>
> Thanks
>
> M
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Sat Sep 30 14:45:13 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2023 13:45:13 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Windscreen scratches
In-Reply-To: <511687376.7332800.1696092391306@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CABXhz8_K2k3o9ExD32NAhPt8eZYBuLZGDB=gGA3gFXgRKtFHmQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1632607491.1128137.1695984082335@mail.yahoo.com>
 <47700bba-fd50-1f34-d235-20ca95a333e6@comcast.net>
 <CABXhz89ec+VEd5gVbV1siDDoXsOvZ9Ptks0wimiUDvCb32q4jQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <000901d9f34e$3af0f990$b0d2ecb0$@xtra.co.nz>
 <511687376.7332800.1696092391306@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <64df178a-1ae3-b5d7-3a75-346ffb8ba26e@comcast.net>

Same with any grinding compound: The components are selected for their 
shape, hence 'cutting' ability, hardness, purpose, cost, etc. A compound 
with large particles with sharp edges will cut deeper and faster than 
one with particles of a softer and/or more rounded shape. The kit I 
bought came with a paste consisting of rhyolite and whatever semi-liquid 
was used to make it a paste; it appears aluminum oxide is also used.

A coarser compound will remove deeper scratches, but leave its own 
scratches. You can start with a coarser compound to remove larger 
scratches, then switch to a finer compound to remove smaller scratches, 
and so on; just like you might start rubbing paint--or filler--with 
320grit sandpaper, then 400, then 600, 1200, etc. Some polishing 
compounds do that 'automatically,' they start with larger particles 
which themselves break down to smaller particles and successively smooth 
the surface. McGuiars (sp?) has several compounds, all graded on a 
thermometer-like scale for their cutting (deep) or polishing (fine) 
characteristics.

I appears the lapidary (mineral-polishing) crowd has lots of discussion 
re: best compounds. Cerium oxide is mentioned a lot, rhyolite some, but 
I didn't see any mention of zinc oxide. Zinc is a soft metal and may not 
lend itself to being a good polishing compound, for glass anyway. Cost 
will (always) be an issue, rhyolite may be a better compound than cerium 
oxide but may cost more, or vice versa.

bs


On 9/30/2023 9:46 AM, llennep at verizon.net wrote:
> What is special about cerium oxide? ?Why not use zinc oxide?
>
> On Saturday, September 30, 2023, 04:20:50 AM EDT, Mark Donaldson 
> <ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
> Ira,
>
> I have a spare windscreen with wiper blade ?rainbow? scratches on both 
> sides.? To remove them I have purchased some CERIUM OXIDE to make a 
> paste and hand-polish them out.
>
> The people at the glass company told me the process will be slow (a 
> lot of elbow grease) but applying it to a soft rotary pad will speed 
> up the procedure.
>
> My cost equates to about US $15 for 4 ounces.? That amount should do 
> the whole windscreen.
>
> Here is a useful YouTube link: https://youtu.be/4ZJPPC1ak50 
> <https://youtu.be/4ZJPPC1ak50>
>
>
>
> I hope this will help.
>
> Mark
>
> Ardmore
>
> NZ
>
> *From:*i erbs <eyera3000 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, 30 September 2023 5:08 AM
> *To:* Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
> *Cc:* Ahealey help <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Windscreen scratches
>
> I got nothing to loose. Might as well give it a try. BTW, this is on 
> my 67B. Those windscreens are spendy to replace
>
> Ira Erbs
> Milwaukie, OR
> 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
> 1967 MGB Roadster
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 9:06 AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>     I used a kit with some sandpaper, a mild abrasive and an
>     attachment for a drill to polish my BN2's windshield. IIRC, I got
>     it from Eastwood:
>
>     https://www.eastwood.com/glass-polishing-kit-for-deep-scratches.html
>
>     The 'rule-of-thumb' is if the scratch can be felt with a
>     fingernail it can't be removed, but my car had mostly mild wiper
>     wear and the kit did the job well enough I can live with it.
>
>     Bob
>
>     On 9/29/2023 3:41 AM, Robert Markovich via Healeys wrote:
>
>         There are some some places?that polish windshields. But
>         ultimately it may be more cost-effective to?simply replace.
>         Triplex is the brand to use; an OEM manufacturer that supplied
>         them back?then. The rest often don?t fit right and eventually
>         crack from stress points, as I?ve found.
>
>         Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
>         <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661>
>
>         On Friday, September 29, 2023, 2:01 AM, i erbs
>         <eyera3000 at gmail.com> <mailto:eyera3000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>             Howdy all
>
>             Is there any proven way to remove wiper blade scratches
>             from a windscreen?
>
>             Thanks all
>
>             Ira Erbs
>             Milwaukie, OR
>             1959 Austin Healey 100-6
>             1967 MGB Roadster
>
>
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From llennep at verizon.net  Sat Sep 30 15:04:49 2023
From: llennep at verizon.net (llennep at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2023 21:04:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Windscreen scratches
In-Reply-To: <64df178a-1ae3-b5d7-3a75-346ffb8ba26e@comcast.net>
References: <CABXhz8_K2k3o9ExD32NAhPt8eZYBuLZGDB=gGA3gFXgRKtFHmQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1632607491.1128137.1695984082335@mail.yahoo.com>
 <47700bba-fd50-1f34-d235-20ca95a333e6@comcast.net>
 <CABXhz89ec+VEd5gVbV1siDDoXsOvZ9Ptks0wimiUDvCb32q4jQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <000901d9f34e$3af0f990$b0d2ecb0$@xtra.co.nz>
 <511687376.7332800.1696092391306@mail.yahoo.com>
 <64df178a-1ae3-b5d7-3a75-346ffb8ba26e@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <858379718.3772223.1696107889269@mail.yahoo.com>

Props of elemental?zinc are likely very different from the compound?zinc oxide.?KeithChemist


Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS


On Saturday, September 30, 2023, 4:45 PM, Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

 Same with any grinding compound: The components are selected for their shape, hence 'cutting' ability, hardness, purpose, cost, etc.? A compound with large particles with sharp edges will cut deeper and faster than one with particles of a softer and/or more rounded shape. The kit I bought came with a paste consisting of rhyolite and whatever semi-liquid was used to make it a paste; it appears aluminum oxide is also used. 
 
 A coarser compound will remove deeper scratches, but leave its own scratches. You can start with a coarser compound to remove larger scratches, then switch to a finer compound to remove smaller scratches, and so on; just like you might start rubbing paint--or filler--with 320grit sandpaper, then 400, then 600, 1200, etc. Some polishing compounds do that 'automatically,' they start with larger particles which themselves break down to smaller particles and successively smooth the surface. McGuiars (sp?) has several compounds, all graded on a thermometer-like scale for their cutting (deep) or polishing (fine) characteristics.
 
 I appears the lapidary (mineral-polishing) crowd has lots of discussion re: best compounds. Cerium oxide is mentioned a lot, rhyolite some, but I didn't see any mention of zinc oxide. Zinc is a soft metal and may not lend itself to being a good polishing compound, for glass anyway. Cost will (always) be an issue, rhyolite may be a better compound than cerium oxide but may cost more, or vice versa.
 
 bs
 
 
 On 9/30/2023 9:46 AM, llennep at verizon.net wrote:
  
 
 What is special about cerium oxide? ?Why not use zinc oxide? 
      On Saturday, September 30, 2023, 04:20:50 AM EDT, Mark Donaldson <ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz> wrote:  
  
      
Ira,
 
 ?
 
I have a spare windscreen with wiper blade ?rainbow? scratches on both sides.? To remove them I have purchased some CERIUM OXIDE to make a paste and hand-polish them out.? 
 
The people at the glass company told me the process will be slow (a lot of elbow grease) but applying it to a soft rotary pad will speed up the procedure.
 
My cost equates to about US $15 for 4 ounces.? That amount should do the whole windscreen.
 
 ?
 
Here is a useful YouTube link:?? https://youtu.be/4ZJPPC1ak50
 
 ?
 

 
 
 ?
 
 ?
 

 ??????????
 
 ?
 
 ?
 
 ??????????????
 
 ?
 
I hope this will help.
 
 ?
 
Mark
 
Ardmore
 
NZ
 
 ?
 
 ?
   
From: i erbs <eyera3000 at gmail.com> 
 Sent: Saturday, 30 September 2023 5:08 AM
 To: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
 Cc: Ahealey help <healeys at autox.team.net>
 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Windscreen scratches
  
 ?
  
I got nothing to loose. Might as well give it a try. BTW, this is on my 67B. Those windscreens are spendy to replace?
  
Ira Erbs
 Milwaukie, OR
 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
 1967 MGB Roadster
   
 ?
   
On Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 9:06 AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
  
  
I used a kit with some sandpaper, a mild abrasive and an attachment for a drill to polish my BN2's windshield. IIRC, I got it from Eastwood:
 
 https://www.eastwood.com/glass-polishing-kit-for-deep-scratches.html
 
 The 'rule-of-thumb' is if the scratch can be felt with a fingernail it can't be removed, but my car had mostly mild wiper wear and the kit did the job well enough I can live with it.
 
 Bob
 
 
  
On 9/29/2023 3:41 AM, Robert Markovich via Healeys wrote:
  
 
There are some some places?that polish windshields. But ultimately it may be more cost-effective to?simply replace. Triplex is the brand to use; an OEM manufacturer that supplied them back?then. The rest often don?t fit right and eventually crack from stress points, as I?ve found.?
 
 
  
Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
  
 ?
 
On Friday, September 29, 2023, 2:01 AM, i erbs <eyera3000 at gmail.com> wrote:
 
   
Howdy all? 
  
Is there any proven way to remove wiper blade scratches from a windscreen?
   
Thanks all?
  
Ira Erbs
 Milwaukie, OR
 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
 1967 MGB Roadster
     
 
 
  
         
 


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From sentenac.rw at gmail.com  Sat Sep 30 15:09:17 2023
From: sentenac.rw at gmail.com (Roland Wilhelmy)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2023 14:09:17 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] new AH Spares ask tray for Healeys
Message-ID: <CADpDe+bMBJNbpX60oDroZAqJgZ6Q=e+CpTDGY7NCT8aLxp0Oig@mail.gmail.com>

On September 27th I got an email from AH Spares about their production
of replica ash trays for the Austin Healey, and I ordered one for my
BN1.  Today, less than three days later, it was on my doorstep.  It is
beautiful, chrome quality is excellent (better than original if I can
judge by my old original),  every little part looks to me to match the
original.

Not cheap at about 80 UKP plus 37 UKP shipping.  But worth it when you
consider how to restore an original and what that would cost.  I am
delighted.

-Roland
BN1 724
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From coudesluijs at chello.nl  Sat Sep 30 15:48:37 2023
From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2023 23:48:37 +0200
Subject: [Healeys] Electrical problem NON HEALEY
In-Reply-To: <CADpDe+Z3BGW+Xq3Bxj9zkTBONmkF6quEyz1SWrDE_F0Y_aHfcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB3i7LKV33e8Jc_ss0BVT64_2amGbro6gAJhHdCOY2CP053Wiw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADpDe+Z3BGW+Xq3Bxj9zkTBONmkF6quEyz1SWrDE_F0Y_aHfcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6a95c6ae-0f69-4799-b467-8d0763cb0c3c@chello.nl>

That is a good summary of what is happening.
Kees Oudesluijs

Op 30-9-2023 om 20:38 schreef Roland Wilhelmy:
> Each battery has to deliver 22.5 amps.? The nine batteries are in 
> series.? The voltage adds but the current is constant .? Then you 
> correctly add the currents for the two parallel circuits.? 20 minutes 
> at 23 amps will quickly discharge your batteries.? At high discharge 
> rates you don't get the advertised amp hours.
> -Roland
>
> On Sat, Sep 30, 2023, 9:06 AM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>     This group has been a huge help in the past and I am wondering if
>     there are any electrical guys out there who can help me with a DC
>     electrical problem.
>
>     I'm trying to help my BIL with the propulsion system for a 30 ton
>     wooden boat on our lake.
>     This 100 year old boat was originally steam powered but in keeping
>     with modern times it has been converted to electric propulsion.
>     It is fitted with a 106 volt DC motor
>     At normal cruise the motor draws 45 amps.
>     It has eighteen 220 amp hour AGM batteries.
>     The batteries are arranged in 2 banks of 9 in parallel so each bank
>     produces 108 VDC
>     By my calculations ...
>     For a total of 45 amps each bank would deliver 22.5 amps.
>     Consisting of 2.5 amps from each of the 9 batteries.
>     Each battery is 220 amp hours.
>     Presuming that you want to avoid discharging below 50% the usable
>     capacity of each is 110 amp hours.
>     So my calculation for the running time is 110/2.5 = 44 hours !!!!
>     It only runs for about 20 minutes before the amperage starts dropping
>     off rapidly.
>
>     Are my calculations correct?
>     If not, where are they wrong?
>
>     Thanks
>
>     M
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Sat Sep 30 18:43:14 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2023 17:43:14 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Windscreen scratches
In-Reply-To: <858379718.3772223.1696107889269@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CABXhz8_K2k3o9ExD32NAhPt8eZYBuLZGDB=gGA3gFXgRKtFHmQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1632607491.1128137.1695984082335@mail.yahoo.com>
 <47700bba-fd50-1f34-d235-20ca95a333e6@comcast.net>
 <CABXhz89ec+VEd5gVbV1siDDoXsOvZ9Ptks0wimiUDvCb32q4jQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <000901d9f34e$3af0f990$b0d2ecb0$@xtra.co.nz>
 <511687376.7332800.1696092391306@mail.yahoo.com>
 <64df178a-1ae3-b5d7-3a75-346ffb8ba26e@comcast.net>
 <858379718.3772223.1696107889269@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <904972b8-fbd8-0856-5ce6-c2f648c7b3fc@comcast.net>

Of course. That was a reach. A quick search didn't show ZnO favored by 
the gem-polishing crowd. It does make a good sun block.


On 9/30/2023 2:04 PM, llennep at verizon.net wrote:
> Props of elemental?zinc are likely very different from the 
> compound?zinc oxide.
> Keith
> Chemist
>
>
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS 
> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661>
>
> On Saturday, September 30, 2023, 4:45 PM, Bob Spidell 
> <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>     Same with any grinding compound: The components are selected for
>     their shape, hence 'cutting' ability, hardness, purpose, cost,
>     etc.? A compound with large particles with sharp edges will cut
>     deeper and faster than one with particles of a softer and/or more
>     rounded shape. The kit I bought came with a paste consisting of
>     rhyolite and whatever semi-liquid was used to make it a paste; it
>     appears aluminum oxide is also used.
>
>     A coarser compound will remove deeper scratches, but leave its own
>     scratches. You can start with a coarser compound to remove larger
>     scratches, then switch to a finer compound to remove smaller
>     scratches, and so on; just like you might start rubbing paint--or
>     filler--with 320grit sandpaper, then 400, then 600, 1200, etc.
>     Some polishing compounds do that 'automatically,' they start with
>     larger particles which themselves break down to smaller particles
>     and successively smooth the surface. McGuiars (sp?) has several
>     compounds, all graded on a thermometer-like scale for their
>     cutting (deep) or polishing (fine) characteristics.
>
>     I appears the lapidary (mineral-polishing) crowd has lots of
>     discussion re: best compounds. Cerium oxide is mentioned a lot,
>     rhyolite some, but I didn't see any mention of zinc oxide. Zinc is
>     a soft metal and may not lend itself to being a good polishing
>     compound, for glass anyway. Cost will (always) be an issue,
>     rhyolite may be a better compound than cerium oxide but may cost
>     more, or vice versa.
>
>     bs
>
>
>     On 9/30/2023 9:46 AM, llennep at verizon.net
>     <mailto:llennep at verizon.net> wrote:
>     What is special about cerium oxide? ?Why not use zinc oxide?
>
>     On Saturday, September 30, 2023, 04:20:50 AM EDT, Mark Donaldson
>     <ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz> <mailto:ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz>
>     wrote:
>
>
>     Ira,
>
>     I have a spare windscreen with wiper blade ?rainbow? scratches on
>     both sides.? To remove them I have purchased some CERIUM OXIDE to
>     make a paste and hand-polish them out.
>
>     The people at the glass company told me the process will be slow
>     (a lot of elbow grease) but applying it to a soft rotary pad will
>     speed up the procedure.
>
>     My cost equates to about US $15 for 4 ounces.? That amount should
>     do the whole windscreen.
>
>     Here is a useful YouTube link: https://youtu.be/4ZJPPC1ak50
>     <https://youtu.be/4ZJPPC1ak50>
>
>
>
>     I hope this will help.
>
>     Mark
>
>     Ardmore
>
>     NZ
>
>     *From:*i erbs <eyera3000 at gmail.com> <mailto:eyera3000 at gmail.com>
>     *Sent:* Saturday, 30 September 2023 5:08 AM
>     *To:* Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> <mailto:bspidell at comcast.net>
>     *Cc:* Ahealey help <healeys at autox.team.net>
>     <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Windscreen scratches
>
>     I got nothing to loose. Might as well give it a try. BTW, this is
>     on my 67B. Those windscreens are spendy to replace
>
>     Ira Erbs
>     Milwaukie, OR
>     1959 Austin Healey 100-6
>     1967 MGB Roadster
>
>     On Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 9:06 AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net
>     <mailto:bspidell at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>         I used a kit with some sandpaper, a mild abrasive and an
>         attachment for a drill to polish my BN2's windshield. IIRC, I
>         got it from Eastwood:
>
>         https://www.eastwood.com/glass-polishing-kit-for-deep-scratches.html
>         <https://www.eastwood.com/glass-polishing-kit-for-deep-scratches.html>
>
>         The 'rule-of-thumb' is if the scratch can be felt with a
>         fingernail it can't be removed, but my car had mostly mild
>         wiper wear and the kit did the job well enough I can live with it.
>
>         Bob
>
>         On 9/29/2023 3:41 AM, Robert Markovich via Healeys wrote:
>
>             There are some some places?that polish windshields. But
>             ultimately it may be more cost-effective to?simply
>             replace. Triplex is the brand to use; an OEM manufacturer
>             that supplied them back?then. The rest often don?t fit
>             right and eventually crack from stress points, as I?ve found.
>
>             Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
>             <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661>
>
>             On Friday, September 29, 2023, 2:01 AM, i erbs
>             <eyera3000 at gmail.com> <mailto:eyera3000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>                 Howdy all
>
>                 Is there any proven way to remove wiper blade
>                 scratches from a windscreen?
>
>                 Thanks all
>
>                 Ira Erbs
>                 Milwaukie, OR
>                 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
>                 1967 MGB Roadster
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Sat Sep 30 18:48:27 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2023 17:48:27 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Windscreen scratches
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Apparently not a huge reach:

'ZnO is a relatively soft material with approximate hardness of 4.5 on 
the Mohs scale <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohs_scale>.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc_oxide

Generally, you want abrasives to be fairly hard; abrasives aren't listed 
as one of its many other uses.





On 9/30/2023 2:04 PM, llennep at verizon.net wrote:
> Props of elemental?zinc are likely very different from the 
> compound?zinc oxide.
> Keith
> Chemist
>
>
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS 
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>
> On Saturday, September 30, 2023, 4:45 PM, Bob Spidell 
> <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>     Same with any grinding compound: The components are selected for
>     their shape, hence 'cutting' ability, hardness, purpose, cost,
>     etc.? A compound with large particles with sharp edges will cut
>     deeper and faster than one with particles of a softer and/or more
>     rounded shape. The kit I bought came with a paste consisting of
>     rhyolite and whatever semi-liquid was used to make it a paste; it
>     appears aluminum oxide is also used.
>
>     A coarser compound will remove deeper scratches, but leave its own
>     scratches. You can start with a coarser compound to remove larger
>     scratches, then switch to a finer compound to remove smaller
>     scratches, and so on; just like you might start rubbing paint--or
>     filler--with 320grit sandpaper, then 400, then 600, 1200, etc.
>     Some polishing compounds do that 'automatically,' they start with
>     larger particles which themselves break down to smaller particles
>     and successively smooth the surface. McGuiars (sp?) has several
>     compounds, all graded on a thermometer-like scale for their
>     cutting (deep) or polishing (fine) characteristics.
>
>     I appears the lapidary (mineral-polishing) crowd has lots of
>     discussion re: best compounds. Cerium oxide is mentioned a lot,
>     rhyolite some, but I didn't see any mention of zinc oxide. Zinc is
>     a soft metal and may not lend itself to being a good polishing
>     compound, for glass anyway. Cost will (always) be an issue,
>     rhyolite may be a better compound than cerium oxide but may cost
>     more, or vice versa.
>
>     bs
>
>
>     On 9/30/2023 9:46 AM, llennep at verizon.net
>     <mailto:llennep at verizon.net> wrote:
>     What is special about cerium oxide? ?Why not use zinc oxide?
>
>     On Saturday, September 30, 2023, 04:20:50 AM EDT, Mark Donaldson
>     <ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz> <mailto:ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz>
>     wrote:
>
>
>     Ira,
>
>     I have a spare windscreen with wiper blade ?rainbow? scratches on
>     both sides.? To remove them I have purchased some CERIUM OXIDE to
>     make a paste and hand-polish them out.
>
>     The people at the glass company told me the process will be slow
>     (a lot of elbow grease) but applying it to a soft rotary pad will
>     speed up the procedure.
>
>     My cost equates to about US $15 for 4 ounces.? That amount should
>     do the whole windscreen.
>
>     Here is a useful YouTube link: https://youtu.be/4ZJPPC1ak50
>     <https://youtu.be/4ZJPPC1ak50>
>
>
>
>     I hope this will help.
>
>     Mark
>
>     Ardmore
>
>     NZ
>
>     *From:*i erbs <eyera3000 at gmail.com> <mailto:eyera3000 at gmail.com>
>     *Sent:* Saturday, 30 September 2023 5:08 AM
>     *To:* Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> <mailto:bspidell at comcast.net>
>     *Cc:* Ahealey help <healeys at autox.team.net>
>     <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Windscreen scratches
>
>     I got nothing to loose. Might as well give it a try. BTW, this is
>     on my 67B. Those windscreens are spendy to replace
>
>     Ira Erbs
>     Milwaukie, OR
>     1959 Austin Healey 100-6
>     1967 MGB Roadster
>
>     On Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 9:06 AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net
>     <mailto:bspidell at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>         I used a kit with some sandpaper, a mild abrasive and an
>         attachment for a drill to polish my BN2's windshield. IIRC, I
>         got it from Eastwood:
>
>         https://www.eastwood.com/glass-polishing-kit-for-deep-scratches.html
>         <https://www.eastwood.com/glass-polishing-kit-for-deep-scratches.html>
>
>         The 'rule-of-thumb' is if the scratch can be felt with a
>         fingernail it can't be removed, but my car had mostly mild
>         wiper wear and the kit did the job well enough I can live with it.
>
>         Bob
>
>         On 9/29/2023 3:41 AM, Robert Markovich via Healeys wrote:
>
>             There are some some places?that polish windshields. But
>             ultimately it may be more cost-effective to?simply
>             replace. Triplex is the brand to use; an OEM manufacturer
>             that supplied them back?then. The rest often don?t fit
>             right and eventually crack from stress points, as I?ve found.
>
>             Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
>             <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661>
>
>             On Friday, September 29, 2023, 2:01 AM, i erbs
>             <eyera3000 at gmail.com> <mailto:eyera3000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>                 Howdy all
>
>                 Is there any proven way to remove wiper blade
>                 scratches from a windscreen?
>
>                 Thanks all
>
>                 Ira Erbs
>                 Milwaukie, OR
>                 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
>                 1967 MGB Roadster
>
>
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Sat Sep 30 20:56:16 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2023 22:56:16 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Electrical problem NON HEALEY
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Many thanks to all who helped with this problem. I now have lots of ideas
of what to check.
Hopefully I'll get to the bottom of this problem soon and get back to
installing EFI in my BN2.

M

On Sat., Sep. 30, 2023, 11:39 a.m. Michael Salter, <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
wrote:

> This group has been a huge help in the past and I am wondering if
> there are any electrical guys out there who can help me with a DC
> electrical problem.
>
> I'm trying to help my BIL with the propulsion system for a 30 ton
> wooden boat on our lake.
> This 100 year old boat was originally steam powered but in keeping
> with modern times it has been converted to electric propulsion.
> It is fitted with a 106 volt DC motor
> At normal cruise the motor draws 45 amps.
> It has eighteen 220 amp hour AGM batteries.
> The batteries are arranged in 2 banks of 9 in parallel so each bank
> produces 108 VDC
> By my calculations ...
> For a total of 45 amps each bank would deliver 22.5 amps.
> Consisting of 2.5 amps from each of the 9 batteries.
> Each battery is 220 amp hours.
> Presuming that you want to avoid discharging below 50% the usable
> capacity of each is 110 amp hours.
> So my calculation for the running time is 110/2.5 = 44 hours !!!!
> It only runs for about 20 minutes before the amperage starts dropping
> off rapidly.
>
> Are my calculations correct?
> If not, where are they wrong?
>
> Thanks
>
> M
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