[Healeys] QH King Pins

Sun Oct 29 10:18:58 MDT 2023

Perry,
I totally agree with you about your comments with regards to Roger Moment. Yes a lot of individuals have made a huge impact in keeping our cars on the road as well as contributing in a positive way as to how to keep them in their original form is one chooses to do it. I was fortunate enough to work with Roger on his latest book and while it was a very small part I can assure you that he is the most thorough individual I have ever met while at the same time ensuring that the articles he selected for this book would be ones that enthusiasts would most often be the ones they would refer to while restoring or working on their cars.
We are indeed fortunate to have people like Roger that have taken the time over many years to assist us in the hobby we love and that there are still others that follow in their footsteps so this will continue in the future.

Jean
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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Perry Small via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: October 29, 2023 1:21 PM
To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com <simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com>
Cc: Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] QH King Pins

If I may comment on a topic in this kingpin discussion, the folks who have spent their lives dedicated to our favorite cars, our Austin Healeys.
Roger Moments name was mentioned. Roger is one of the many giants that have made the ownership of Austin Healeys over the years, 58 years for me, more informed, and memorable. There are plenty of folks that have donated their time and wisdom to making it a much more enjoyable ride. Thanks to all including you folks on this list!
Perry

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On Oct 29, 2023, at 7:11 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

Well, I did a bit more research…actually in my own files and came up with this, below, from Roger Moment:-

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From:         owner-healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:owner-healeys at autox.team.net> on behalf of Rmoment at aol.com<mailto:Rmoment at aol.com>

Sent:        17 March 2002 16:02

To:             healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>

Subject:    king pins

A while back I posted a note alerting folks to the problem with some “generic” kingpins that Moss was selling at the time.  They were a BEAR to install and required much modification of the bushings to even provide proper lubrication.

I spoke with Michael Grant at Moss and he was very concerned about the problem.  Subsequently he has re-sourced their kingpins from someone in England who has the tooling and, I believe, supplied Quintin Hazel.  That is, the product the new source is providing is EXACTLY like the Q-H kingpins that had been available in the past.

I have just finished installing one of these new sets and am happy to report that they are really GREAT!!!  They have the properly machined bushings, sized to go in with just the proper “crush”, and the correct cork rings.  Plus the zirc fittings have the correct size threads and hex.  The fulcrum pins even fit the bottom hole in the king pin properly and don’t require additional fussing.

The new box these king pins come in is still plain brown, but it has the following markings on it:

1) a blue-white-red Union Jack with MADE IIN GREAT BRITAIN

2) a white tag with QHQP295TCF and KING PIN SET BIG HEA and MADE IN :U.K.

I believe Moss has replaced their older, poor-quality stock and the new ones are what you’ll receive if you order now.  If you have some of the bad ones that you haven’t installed, I suggest you contact Moss about trying to exchange them.

And finally, for those of you who like to flame suppliers when parts aren’t perfect, be aware that many time suppliers do care, but need to get proper input as to problems.  I am very impressed with the way Moss responded to this issue.

Remember that the parts business is very competitive regarding price, which drives suppliers to look for the cheapest parts to sell.  Many of you will change suppliers over a few cents savings and that hurts those who may have better parts at higher prices.  You often get what you pay for.  Just remember.

Roger

UNQUOTE

That just about covers it!?!

As to using a QH part number..debatable but not too serious.

Simon

From: HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com>
Sent: 28 October 2023 16:28
To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com
Cc: Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] QH King Pins

Hi Simon,

If you google that QH part number, you'll see that it's not just Moss that uses it, but a number of other suppliers as well. Would be interesting to see what packaging they come in and where it says "Made in ..."

Happy Healeying,

Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 1:57 PM Simon Lachlan via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:

Hi, I was browsing UK eBay the other day when I saw a King Pin set for sale from Moss Europe.:-

Austin-Healey 100-4 100-6 3000 - King pin & Bush set - 1953-1968 BN1-BJ8 | eBay<https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/173693416361>

Or just enter 173693416361.

This item caught my attention because, after reading Roger’s book, I was reminded that QH King Pins are hard to find and was pleased to find some at the big Beaulieu autojumble some weeks ago. I doubted that any big suppliers would have QH sets on their shelf and I furthermore doubted that, if they did have them, they’d need to flog them on eBay…..

Anyhow, you’ll see that they’re giving it a Quentin Hazell part number which I don’t think is appropriate as I suspect that it’s not QH.

I queried:- “Is this a genuine Q Hazell item? Thanks”

They replied:- “QH PART NUMBER, BUT NOT BOXED IN QH PACKAGING. rEGARDS”

I replied:- “Thank you for this. But not very helpful. Is it a genuine QH part?

They replied:-

“I dont believe so, I have no data to confirm QH we just use the part number.”

Naturally, I’m not accusing anyone, not hoping to be sued here….but I think it’s careless to say the least. Anybody got anything to add?? I suppose I’m just curious…..does Moss have form for this?

Doubt I’ll pester eBay about this as I expect they’d not be too bothered.

Simon

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