[Healeys] Solder joints

Tue Oct 3 07:53:42 MDT 2023

I don't know if any of the suppliers of wiring harnesses offer tinned wire
but if so that would be a real advantage both to cut down on corrosion and
to make soldering easier.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 7:56 AM m.g.sharp--- via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I too use solder and follow the protocol that is outlined in the Chrysler
> manual that Mike attached.  HOWEVER, I am on the fence a bit on this one.
> I struggle to get just enough heat to melt the solder fully into the
> twisted wires without melting the adjacent plastic insulation and, worse,
> over-heating the wire for an inch or so either side of the joint.
> Over-heating the wire makes it brittle and prone to failure (i.e.
> breakage), especially if it is in a position where is it is vibrating or
> subject to flexing.  The mechanic who services my BMW, and who is a fully
> qualified Bosch technician (a few years ago he re-wired a DeLorean from
> scratch without a manual), swears by crimping because of the embrittlement
> caused by heating.  He services older Porches and English cars like ours,
> as well as new stuff, and has noticed that when wires break, it is usually
> within an inch or so of a solder joint.
>
>
>
> For now, I am staying with the solder and being very careful, but I take
> the point of the crimping advocates.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Mirek
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Michael
> Salter
> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2023 4:17 PM
> *To:* healeys at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Solder joints
>
>
>
> I have always used the method recommended by Chrysler in their Workshop
> Manuals.
>
> Never let me down.
>
>
>
> On Mon., Oct. 2, 2023, 11:19 a.m. Michael Oritt via Healeys, <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> I did literally thousands of inline and terminal connections while
> building and rewiring the main and sub panels of my boat and always used
> *proper* cutters, strippers and crimping tools with quality tinned
> terminal fittings--sometimes resin-filled and sometimes not depending upon
> location and service, etc.  If there was ever a failure it was only due to
> a bad crimp, etc.
>
>
>
> In addition to what Bob says re these fittings only being for inline butt
> joints there is always the risk of damaging adjacent wiring with careless
> or too much heat, etc.
>
> They look slick but I think I'd agree with Bob.
>
>
>
> Best--Michael
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 1:23 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I've never used these--in fact, this is the first I've heard of them--but,
> of course, that never stopped me from having an opinion or two. My 'hot
> take' (heh):
>
> 1) there may be solder formulations that a heat gun could melt, but
> calling this 'solder' seems to be a mis-characterization: the 'fine print'
> says it's 'hot melt adhesive.' I didn't see anything about its
> conductivity, nor it's strength (though the shrink wrap part would be
> reinforcing).
>
> 2) when I was maintaining my own aircraft, I subscribed to a magazine
> called 'Light Plane Maintenance.' It didn't take any advertising, and never
> shied away from 'calling it like it is.' They did exhaustive research and
> experimentation on the benefit/risk of solder joints vs. crimp joints and
> came to the conclusion that crimping was superior to soldering (and easier,
> to boot). But, it has to be done properly; e.g.:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIfoSSmlQR8
>
> 3) I only see them as being used for splices; apparently, you still need
> to employ crimping or soldering for terminals (loop, spade, etc.). I'd
> prefer all my wiring to be consistent.
>
> 4) the advert claims they are 'waterproof;' that, I think, is a stretch.
> Most similar ads only claim 'water resistant' (for liability, I suspect;
> water will eventually get into almost everything).
>
> 5) for most solder joints you want to twist the bare ends together; that
> doesn't seem possible with these.
>
> So, no dice for me.
>
> bs
>
>
> On 10/1/2023 7:46 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote:
>
> Ah, yes. Good point!
>
> 200PCs Solderstick Waterproof Solder Wire Connector Kit Original Connector
> Tools | eBay <https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404496927584>
>
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>
> *From:* Jim Ryan <ryan at jimryan.com> <ryan at jimryan.com>
> *Sent:* 01 October 2023 14:01
> *To:* simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com
> *Cc:* Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Solder joints
>
>
>
> Simon,
>
>
>
> I didn't see a link or attachment.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 1, 2023, 3:39 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Has anyone used these? And, if so, are they any good?
>
> I saw them on some car show and was impressed. Seems like they’d make a
> pretty decent joint if they’re as good as they’re cracked up to be. Not
> very original in their appearance but sound enough??
> Touch wood, I don’t have many (any?) connections to make in the 3000, but
> for general use?
> Simon
>
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