From cpcooper at ymail.com  Wed Nov  1 22:00:18 2023
From: cpcooper at ymail.com (Craig Cooper)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 04:00:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 16, Issue 267
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 Re tunnel and radiator for sale:
Great prices, I'll take both if we can figure out shipping.
Craig
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From cpcooper at ymail.com  Fri Nov  3 11:29:25 2023
From: cpcooper at ymail.com (Craig Cooper)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2023 17:29:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Minator 15 X 5-1/2 Knockoff Wheels for Sale
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I have a set of Minilite style Minator 15 X 5.5 knockoff wheels for sale like these Moss 455-385, only mine have dark grey centers.? Moss sites says they'll work on BN1-BJ8.? They are in really nice shape and look like they had tires mounted on them but possibly never were on the road.? Moss price $530 per.wheel.? My price $1200/BO plus shipping for all four.??
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From jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov  3 13:58:14 2023
From: jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net (John Spaur)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2023 12:58:14 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] suppliers for interior trim
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I need to replace some biscuit colored vinyl inside my BT7. I purchased an
interior kit from Heritage 10 years ago. Are there other suppliers that
might have this vinyl? Know there is one in England but I would prefer a US
based supplier due to the shorter shipping time.

 

BTW, Moss is sending me a sample card of their colors.

 

TIA,

John

'62 BT7

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From manifold at telus.net  Fri Nov  3 16:00:34 2023
From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2023 15:00:34 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] suppliers for interior trim
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John,

You could contact Geoff Chrysler at Rightway Heritage Trimming. He used to
work with Heritage and should be familiar with the products they used.

Harold

On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 2:12?PM John Spaur via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I need to replace some biscuit colored vinyl inside my BT7. I purchased an
> interior kit from Heritage 10 years ago. Are there other suppliers that
> might have this vinyl? Know there is one in England but I would prefer a US
> based supplier due to the shorter shipping time.
>
>
>
> BTW, Moss is sending me a sample card of their colors.
>
>
>
> TIA,
>
> John
>
> ?62 BT7
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From michael.oritt at gmail.com  Fri Nov  3 20:48:47 2023
From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2023 22:48:47 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Rear seal kit
Message-ID: <CAPTa0B7rVHbPrOipzx4+FPMrFQ+kwJs-9K1HV8QugRM_MGp5yA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm having my 100's engine done this winter and though it's not a terrible
leaker I''d like to install a rear seal kit to tighten things up as much as
possible.
I know there are several different kits available and would appreciate any
input on which one to select along with installation tips.

Best--Michael Oritt
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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  4 10:44:34 2023
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2023 09:44:34 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Cheap big healey
Message-ID: <CABXhz8-HOcXg3m8LYMjbUfGa=anDwL1zYVE7gWGEk0YqT1YVTQ@mail.gmail.com>

NFI needs lots of work. But some of you have started with less.
https://m.facebook.com/groups/1858218614412735/permalink/3639412682959977/?ref=share&mibextid=NOb6eG

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
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From rmarkovich at aol.com  Sat Nov  4 11:06:36 2023
From: rmarkovich at aol.com (Robert Markovich)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2023 17:06:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] suppliers for interior trim
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 Let me suggest AH Spares in the UK. Last year, I special-ordered green leather seat covers and center armrest for my 100/4. They came within two weeks for hundreds less than Moss wanted. And the quality was superb!
    On Friday, November 3, 2023, 05:29:22 PM EDT, John Spaur via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
I need to replace some biscuit colored vinyl inside my BT7. I purchased an interior kit from Heritage 10 years ago. Are there other suppliers that might have this vinyl? Know there is one in England but I would prefer a US based supplier due to the shorter shipping time.

 ?

BTW, Moss is sending me a sample card of their colors.

 ?

TIA,

John

?62 BT7
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From rchaskell at earthlink.net  Sat Nov  4 12:50:38 2023
From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2023 14:50:38 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Cheap big healey
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When I click on the link the web page states that this content isn't 
available right now.

Bob Haskell
Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar

On 11/4/23 12:44, i erbs wrote:
> NFI needs lots of work. But some of you have started with less.
> https://m.facebook.com/groups/1858218614412735/permalink/3639412682959977/?ref=share&mibextid=NOb6eG 
> <https://m.facebook.com/groups/1858218614412735/permalink/3639412682959977/?ref=share&mibextid=NOb6eG>
>
> Ira Erbs
> Milwaukie, OR
> 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
> 1967 MGB Roadster
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Sat Nov  4 13:59:39 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2023 15:59:39 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Rear seal kit
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I've fitted a couple of those kits and have been somewhat underwhelmed.
Firstly you have to be VERY careful with the rear cap machining alignment,
definitely a case of measure twice, cut once. I would strongly recommend
that the cap is in place on the block for this operation.
Secondly I was very disappointed to find that the designers decided that it
was just too much effort to utilize the 3 tapped holes already in the block
to secure the upper half of the seal holder and instead required that one
drill and tap 2 more holes for that purpose.
Thirdly, and I appreciate that there is possibly no way around this but,
the scroll on the crankshaft has to be machined off which is something that
you should have your crank grinder do when the crank is being machined. I
did mine in my 8" lathe and it's pretty scary having that huge hunk of
steel spinning between centers (don't forget to disable the chuck brake ...
rather frightening to notice the chuck winding off the spindle as you power
it down??).
Finally, after all that effort, there was still a small leak from the rear
main which I finally resolved by installing my PCV.
 kit.
https://precisionsportscar.com/austin-healey-100-engine-oil-leak-solution/

In future I'm not going to bother with the seal kit and just fot the PCV.

M

On Fri., Nov. 3, 2023, 11:19 p.m. Michael Oritt, <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm having my 100's engine done this winter and though it's not a terrible
> leaker I''d like to install a rear seal kit to tighten things up as much as
> possible.
> I know there are several different kits available and would appreciate any
> input on which one to select along with installation tips.
>
> Best--Michael Oritt
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From josef-eckert at t-online.de  Sat Nov  4 15:25:27 2023
From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2023 22:25:27 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Healeys] Rear seal kit
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I can?t say it better than Michael. I even leave the PCV out.
An old car is like an old dog. You should allow him to leak a bit and drip 
on the surface.
As long as it does its still alive.
 
Josef Eckert
Germany
 
 
 
-----Original-Nachricht-----
Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Rear seal kit
Datum: 2023-11-04T22:13:43+0100
Von: "Michael Salter" <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
An: "Michael Oritt" <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
 
 
 
I've fitted a couple of those kits and have been somewhat underwhelmed. 
Firstly you have to be VERY careful with the rear cap machining alignment,  
definitely a case of measure twice, cut once. I would strongly recommend 
that the cap is in place on the block for this operation.
Secondly I was very disappointed to find that the designers decided that it 
was just too much effort to utilize the 3 tapped holes already in the block 
to secure the upper half of the seal holder and instead required that one 
drill and tap 2 more holes for that purpose. 
Thirdly, and I appreciate that there is possibly no way around this but, 
the scroll on the crankshaft has to be machined off which is something that 
you should have your crank grinder do when the crank is being machined. I 
did mine in my 8" lathe and it's pretty scary having that huge hunk of 
steel spinning between centers (don't forget to disable the chuck brake ... 
rather frightening to notice the chuck winding off the spindle as you power 
it down??).
Finally, after all that effort, there was still a small leak from the rear 
main which I finally resolved by installing my PCV. 
 kit. 
<https://precisionsportscar.com/austin-healey-100-engine-oil-leak-solution/>
 
In future I'm not going to bother with the seal kit and just fot the PCV.
 
M

On Fri., Nov. 3, 2023, 11:19 p.m. Michael Oritt, <michael.oritt at gmail.com
<mailto:michael.oritt at gmail.com> > wrote:
  I'm having my 100's engine done this winter and though it's not a
  terrible leaker I''d like to install a rear seal kit to tighten things up
  as much as possible.
  I know there are several different kits available and would appreciate
  any input on which one to select along with installation tips.

  Best--Michael Oritt
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From jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov  4 15:30:06 2023
From: jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net (John Spaur)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2023 14:30:06 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] suppliers for interior trim
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Very good company but they don?t seem to have vinyl by the yard which is all I need.

 

From: Robert Markovich [mailto:rmarkovich at aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 10:07 AM
To: healeys at autox.team.net; John Spaur <jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] suppliers for interior trim

 

Let me suggest AH Spares in the UK. Last year, I special-ordered green leather seat covers and center armrest for my 100/4. They came within two weeks for hundreds less than Moss wanted. And the quality was superb!

 

On Friday, November 3, 2023, 05:29:22 PM EDT, John Spaur via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

 

 

I need to replace some biscuit colored vinyl inside my BT7. I purchased an interior kit from Heritage 10 years ago. Are there other suppliers that might have this vinyl? Know there is one in England but I would prefer a US based supplier due to the shorter shipping time.

 

BTW, Moss is sending me a sample card of their colors.

 

TIA,

John

?62 BT7

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From michael.oritt at gmail.com  Sat Nov  4 16:06:24 2023
From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2023 18:06:24 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Rear seal kit
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Michael--

Thanks for your input and I am certainly willing to forgo the expense and
trouble of having a rear seal fit if there is a strong chance of it not
being successful.
Besides (being an aging male) I should probably have the grace to allow my
car to have an occasional drip or two.

A couple of questions....

Q1--As said earlier my car does not have a great amount of leakage through
the cotter pin in the bell housing, though I do seem to remember that it
leaked more after the engine was freshly rebuilt about 70K miles ago.  My
oil pressure has also dropped about 10-15 psi from where it was after the
rebuild.  Assuming that a fresh engine will have higher oil pressure will
that result in higher crankcase pressures which would tend to increase
leakage past the scroll seal?

Q2--My car has an early aftermarket valve cover and looks like the ones
sold by Ray Juncal minus one fin and with a flat versus a slightly convex
top surface.  There is no vent nipple and it has a spring-loaded filler cap
that probably does not make a tight seal though there is no oil blow-by.
Is there a real advantage to installing a PCV valve and if so where should
the hose terminate?  I removed the original LeMans kit CAB some time back
and would prefer not to refit it.

Thanks--Michael Oritt


On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 4:04?PM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I've fitted a couple of those kits and have been somewhat underwhelmed.
> Firstly you have to be VERY careful with the rear cap machining
> alignment,  definitely a case of measure twice, cut once. I would strongly
> recommend that the cap is in place on the block for this operation.
> Secondly I was very disappointed to find that the designers decided that
> it was just too much effort to utilize the 3 tapped holes already in the
> block to secure the upper half of the seal holder and instead required that
> one drill and tap 2 more holes for that purpose.
> Thirdly, and I appreciate that there is possibly no way around this but,
> the scroll on the crankshaft has to be machined off which is something that
> you should have your crank grinder do when the crank is being machined. I
> did mine in my 8" lathe and it's pretty scary having that huge hunk of
> steel spinning between centers (don't forget to disable the chuck brake ...
> rather frightening to notice the chuck winding off the spindle as you power
> it down??).
> Finally, after all that effort, there was still a small leak from the rear
> main which I finally resolved by installing my PCV.
>  kit.
> https://precisionsportscar.com/austin-healey-100-engine-oil-leak-solution/
>
> In future I'm not going to bother with the seal kit and just fot the PCV.
>
> M
>
> On Fri., Nov. 3, 2023, 11:19 p.m. Michael Oritt, <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm having my 100's engine done this winter and though it's not a
>> terrible leaker I''d like to install a rear seal kit to tighten things up
>> as much as possible.
>> I know there are several different kits available and would appreciate
>> any input on which one to select along with installation tips.
>>
>> Best--Michael Oritt
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Suggested annual donation  $12.75
>>
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From chucknsueo at aol.com  Sat Nov  4 17:55:00 2023
From: chucknsueo at aol.com (CHUCK OTT)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2023 19:55:00 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] suppliers for interior trim
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From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2023 18:51:19 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Cheap big healey
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Bob - I had the same issue...

Solution: click on the link again, and when you get the error, go up to the
link address bar and delete the leading "m.", which is telling the browser
to render the mobile version - but you are doing this [I bet] not on a
mobile phone, rather on a full browser.

-----------------------------------
All the best,

Al Fuller

-----Original Message-----
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob Haskell
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 11:51 AM
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Cheap big healey

When I click on the link the web page states that this content isn't
available right now.

Bob Haskell
Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar

On 11/4/23 12:44, i erbs wrote:
> NFI needs lots of work. But some of you have started with less.
> https://m.facebook.com/groups/1858218614412735/permalink/3639412682959
> 977/?ref=share&mibextid=NOb6eG 
> <https://m.facebook.com/groups/1858218614412735/permalink/363941268295
> 9977/?ref=share&mibextid=NOb6eG>
>
> Ira Erbs
> Milwaukie, OR
> 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
> 1967 MGB Roadster
>
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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  4 19:57:37 2023
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2023 18:57:37 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] suppliers for interior trim
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John ? I had the same issue and found a good supplier with a location in Livonia, Mi ? just outside of Detroit, where I was living at the time?

 

I think their primary location is in the Chicago area, but the website says they have 19 locations. If you can either find a local location or send them a sample, I suspect they might be able to match what you have [less any sun fading, of course?].

 

See: https://www.dltcorporation.com/aboutus.asp

 

-----------------------------------

All the best,

 

Al Fuller

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John Spaur via Healeys
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 2:30 PM
To: 'Robert Markovich' <rmarkovich at aol.com>; healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] suppliers for interior trim

 

Very good company but they don?t seem to have vinyl by the yard which is all I need.

 

From: Robert Markovich [mailto:rmarkovich at aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 10:07 AM
To: healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> ; John Spaur <jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net <mailto:jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net> >
Subject: Re: [Healeys] suppliers for interior trim

 

Let me suggest AH Spares in the UK. Last year, I special-ordered green leather seat covers and center armrest for my 100/4. They came within two weeks for hundreds less than Moss wanted. And the quality was superb!

 

On Friday, November 3, 2023, 05:29:22 PM EDT, John Spaur via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

 

 

I need to replace some biscuit colored vinyl inside my BT7. I purchased an interior kit from Heritage 10 years ago. Are there other suppliers that might have this vinyl? Know there is one in England but I would prefer a US based supplier due to the shorter shipping time.

 

BTW, Moss is sending me a sample card of their colors.

 

TIA,

John

?62 BT7

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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Sat Nov  4 21:16:53 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2023 23:16:53 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Rear seal kit
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Q1--As said earlier my car does not have a great amount of leakage through
the cotter pin in the bell housing, though I do seem to remember that it
leaked more after the engine was freshly rebuilt about 70K miles ago.  My
oil pressure has also dropped about 10-15 psi from where it was after the
rebuild.  Assuming that a fresh engine will have higher oil pressure will
that result in higher crankcase pressures which would tend to increase
leakage past the scroll seal?
*Michael I would be interested to know why you are thinking that a rebuild
is necessary at this stage. The drop in oil pressure alone would IMHO not
be reason enough. Is the engine making odd noises or burning excessive
amounts of oil? Perhaps a "ring and bearing" job would be the best way to
go.*

Q2--My car has an early aftermarket valve cover and looks like the ones
sold by Ray Juncal minus one fin and with a flat versus a slightly convex
top surface.  There is no vent nipple and it has a spring-loaded filler cap
that probably does not make a tight seal though there is no oil blow-by.
Is there a real advantage to installing a PCV valve and if so where should
the hose terminate?  I removed the original LeMans kit CAB some time back
and would prefer not to refit it.
*The PCV system that I've developed doesn't involve the rocker cover at all
and, by the sounds of it, your engine would be an ideal candidate. Check
the web site that I showed  ... the system is virtually invisible but does
require the replacement of the manifold balance pipe.*

M

On Sat., Nov. 4, 2023, 6:06 p.m. Michael Oritt, <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Michael--
>
> Thanks for your input and I am certainly willing to forgo the expense and
> trouble of having a rear seal fit if there is a strong chance of it not
> being successful.
> Besides (being an aging male) I should probably have the grace to allow my
> car to have an occasional drip or two.
>
> A couple of questions....
>
> Q1--As said earlier my car does not have a great amount of leakage through
> the cotter pin in the bell housing, though I do seem to remember that it
> leaked more after the engine was freshly rebuilt about 70K miles ago.  My
> oil pressure has also dropped about 10-15 psi from where it was after the
> rebuild.  Assuming that a fresh engine will have higher oil pressure will
> that result in higher crankcase pressures which would tend to increase
> leakage past the scroll seal?
>
> Q2--My car has an early aftermarket valve cover and looks like the ones
> sold by Ray Juncal minus one fin and with a flat versus a slightly convex
> top surface.  There is no vent nipple and it has a spring-loaded filler cap
> that probably does not make a tight seal though there is no oil blow-by.
> Is there a real advantage to installing a PCV valve and if so where should
> the hose terminate?  I removed the original LeMans kit CAB some time back
> and would prefer not to refit it.
>
> Thanks--Michael Oritt
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 4:04?PM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I've fitted a couple of those kits and have been somewhat underwhelmed.
>> Firstly you have to be VERY careful with the rear cap machining
>> alignment,  definitely a case of measure twice, cut once. I would strongly
>> recommend that the cap is in place on the block for this operation.
>> Secondly I was very disappointed to find that the designers decided that
>> it was just too much effort to utilize the 3 tapped holes already in the
>> block to secure the upper half of the seal holder and instead required that
>> one drill and tap 2 more holes for that purpose.
>> Thirdly, and I appreciate that there is possibly no way around this but,
>> the scroll on the crankshaft has to be machined off which is something that
>> you should have your crank grinder do when the crank is being machined. I
>> did mine in my 8" lathe and it's pretty scary having that huge hunk of
>> steel spinning between centers (don't forget to disable the chuck brake ...
>> rather frightening to notice the chuck winding off the spindle as you power
>> it down??).
>> Finally, after all that effort, there was still a small leak from the
>> rear main which I finally resolved by installing my PCV.
>>  kit.
>> https://precisionsportscar.com/austin-healey-100-engine-oil-leak-solution/
>>
>> In future I'm not going to bother with the seal kit and just fot the PCV.
>>
>> M
>>
>> On Fri., Nov. 3, 2023, 11:19 p.m. Michael Oritt, <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm having my 100's engine done this winter and though it's not a
>>> terrible leaker I''d like to install a rear seal kit to tighten things up
>>> as much as possible.
>>> I know there are several different kits available and would appreciate
>>> any input on which one to select along with installation tips.
>>>
>>> Best--Michael Oritt
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From: p.cquinn at outlook.com (Patrick and Caroline Quinn)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2023 08:00:31 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Moment of Stupidity
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G'day

We all have them when either the brain isn't in gear, or you don't focus enough.

Trying to remove the slack from the BN3's gear change. It's a 100S gearbox, therefore sideshift, and the same from the BN2 through to the early Mk2 Roadsters.

Removed the gearstick and all okay. Put it back in and 'tinkle, tinkle' the sound the brass bush falling down into the black abyss.

The car is now on jack stands and the oil is about to be drained so the sideplate can be removed.

A moment of stupidity.

Hoo Roo

Patrick Quinn
Blue Mountains, Australia
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From michael.oritt at gmail.com  Sun Nov  5 07:45:43 2023
From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2023 09:45:43 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Rear seal kit
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*Q--Michael I would be interested to know why you are thinking that a
rebuild is necessary at this stage. The drop in oil pressure alone would
IMHO not be reason enough. Is the engine making odd noises or burning
excessive amounts of oil? Perhaps a "ring and bearing" job would be the
best way to go.*

*A--There are no odd noises and oil consumption isn't bad, though it is
more than when the engine was fresh.  I have not done a recent compression
check either static or dynamic but as said oil pressure has dropped
considerably from when the engine was fresh perhap 15-20 psi across the
board with hot idle pressure of 10-15 psi.  I did replace the oil pump last
year which resulted in perhaps a 5 psi increase in pressure and as a
further experiment I also replaced the bearing shells that were accessible
by dropping the sump (lower shells to cylinders 3 and 4) but neither of the
last two resulted in a substantial increase in pressure.  Naturally if the
teardown shows a lot of wear in rings and bores I'd be happy to keep things
to that. *

Q2--My car has an early aftermarket valve cover and looks like the ones
sold by Ray Juncal minus one fin and with a flat versus a slightly convex
top surface.  There is no vent nipple and it has a spring-loaded filler cap
that probably does not make a tight seal though there is no oil blow-by.
Is there a real advantage to installing a PCV valve and if so where should
the hose terminate?  I removed the original LeMans kit CAB some time back
and would prefer not to refit it.
*The PCV system that I've developed doesn't involve the rocker cover at all
and, by the sounds of it, your engine would be an ideal candidate. Check
the web site that I showed  ... the system is virtually invisible but does
require the replacement of the manifold balance pipe.*

*A--Can you please give me the website address?*

On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 11:17?PM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Q1--As said earlier my car does not have a great amount of leakage through
> the cotter pin in the bell housing, though I do seem to remember that it
> leaked more after the engine was freshly rebuilt about 70K miles ago.  My
> oil pressure has also dropped about 10-15 psi from where it was after the
> rebuild.  Assuming that a fresh engine will have higher oil pressure will
> that result in higher crankcase pressures which would tend to increase
> leakage past the scroll seal?
> *Michael I would be interested to know why you are thinking that a rebuild
> is necessary at this stage. The drop in oil pressure alone would IMHO not
> be reason enough. Is the engine making odd noises or burning excessive
> amounts of oil? Perhaps a "ring and bearing" job would be the best way to
> go.*
>
> Q2--My car has an early aftermarket valve cover and looks like the ones
> sold by Ray Juncal minus one fin and with a flat versus a slightly convex
> top surface.  There is no vent nipple and it has a spring-loaded filler cap
> that probably does not make a tight seal though there is no oil blow-by.
> Is there a real advantage to installing a PCV valve and if so where should
> the hose terminate?  I removed the original LeMans kit CAB some time back
> and would prefer not to refit it.
> *The PCV system that I've developed doesn't involve the rocker cover at
> all and, by the sounds of it, your engine would be an ideal candidate.
> Check the web site that I showed  ... the system is virtually invisible but
> does require the replacement of the manifold balance pipe.*
>
> M
>
> On Sat., Nov. 4, 2023, 6:06 p.m. Michael Oritt, <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Michael--
>>
>> Thanks for your input and I am certainly willing to forgo the expense and
>> trouble of having a rear seal fit if there is a strong chance of it not
>> being successful.
>> Besides (being an aging male) I should probably have the grace to allow
>> my car to have an occasional drip or two.
>>
>> A couple of questions....
>>
>> Q1--As said earlier my car does not have a great amount of leakage
>> through the cotter pin in the bell housing, though I do seem to remember
>> that it leaked more after the engine was freshly rebuilt about 70K miles
>> ago.  My oil pressure has also dropped about 10-15 psi from where it was
>> after the rebuild.  Assuming that a fresh engine will have higher oil
>> pressure will that result in higher crankcase pressures which would tend to
>> increase leakage past the scroll seal?
>>
>> Q2--My car has an early aftermarket valve cover and looks like the ones
>> sold by Ray Juncal minus one fin and with a flat versus a slightly convex
>> top surface.  There is no vent nipple and it has a spring-loaded filler cap
>> that probably does not make a tight seal though there is no oil blow-by.
>> Is there a real advantage to installing a PCV valve and if so where should
>> the hose terminate?  I removed the original LeMans kit CAB some time back
>> and would prefer not to refit it.
>>
>> Thanks--Michael Oritt
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 4:04?PM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've fitted a couple of those kits and have been somewhat underwhelmed.
>>> Firstly you have to be VERY careful with the rear cap machining
>>> alignment,  definitely a case of measure twice, cut once. I would strongly
>>> recommend that the cap is in place on the block for this operation.
>>> Secondly I was very disappointed to find that the designers decided that
>>> it was just too much effort to utilize the 3 tapped holes already in the
>>> block to secure the upper half of the seal holder and instead required that
>>> one drill and tap 2 more holes for that purpose.
>>> Thirdly, and I appreciate that there is possibly no way around this but,
>>> the scroll on the crankshaft has to be machined off which is something that
>>> you should have your crank grinder do when the crank is being machined. I
>>> did mine in my 8" lathe and it's pretty scary having that huge hunk of
>>> steel spinning between centers (don't forget to disable the chuck brake ...
>>> rather frightening to notice the chuck winding off the spindle as you power
>>> it down??).
>>> Finally, after all that effort, there was still a small leak from the
>>> rear main which I finally resolved by installing my PCV.
>>>  kit.
>>> https://precisionsportscar.com/austin-healey-100-engine-oil-leak-solution/
>>>
>>> In future I'm not going to bother with the seal kit and just fot the PCV.
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>>> On Fri., Nov. 3, 2023, 11:19 p.m. Michael Oritt, <
>>> michael.oritt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm having my 100's engine done this winter and though it's not a
>>>> terrible leaker I''d like to install a rear seal kit to tighten things up
>>>> as much as possible.
>>>> I know there are several different kits available and would appreciate
>>>> any input on which one to select along with installation tips.
>>>>
>>>> Best--Michael Oritt
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>> Suggested annual donation  $12.75
>>>>
>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Sun Nov  5 08:43:40 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2023 10:43:40 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Rear seal kit
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PCV kit here.

https://precisionsportscar.com/austin-healey-100-engine-oil-leak-solution/

On Sun., Nov. 5, 2023, 9:45 a.m. Michael Oritt, <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
wrote:

> *Q--Michael I would be interested to know why you are thinking that a
> rebuild is necessary at this stage. The drop in oil pressure alone would
> IMHO not be reason enough. Is the engine making odd noises or burning
> excessive amounts of oil? Perhaps a "ring and bearing" job would be the
> best way to go.*
>
> *A--There are no odd noises and oil consumption isn't bad, though it is
> more than when the engine was fresh.  I have not done a recent compression
> check either static or dynamic but as said oil pressure has dropped
> considerably from when the engine was fresh perhap 15-20 psi across the
> board with hot idle pressure of 10-15 psi.  I did replace the oil pump last
> year which resulted in perhaps a 5 psi increase in pressure and as a
> further experiment I also replaced the bearing shells that were accessible
> by dropping the sump (lower shells to cylinders 3 and 4) but neither of the
> last two resulted in a substantial increase in pressure.  Naturally if the
> teardown shows a lot of wear in rings and bores I'd be happy to keep things
> to that. *
>
> Q2--My car has an early aftermarket valve cover and looks like the ones
> sold by Ray Juncal minus one fin and with a flat versus a slightly convex
> top surface.  There is no vent nipple and it has a spring-loaded filler cap
> that probably does not make a tight seal though there is no oil blow-by.
> Is there a real advantage to installing a PCV valve and if so where should
> the hose terminate?  I removed the original LeMans kit CAB some time back
> and would prefer not to refit it.
> *The PCV system that I've developed doesn't involve the rocker cover at
> all and, by the sounds of it, your engine would be an ideal candidate.
> Check the web site that I showed  ... the system is virtually invisible but
> does require the replacement of the manifold balance pipe.*
>
> *A--Can you please give me the website address?*
>
> On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 11:17?PM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Q1--As said earlier my car does not have a great amount of leakage
>> through the cotter pin in the bell housing, though I do seem to remember
>> that it leaked more after the engine was freshly rebuilt about 70K miles
>> ago.  My oil pressure has also dropped about 10-15 psi from where it was
>> after the rebuild.  Assuming that a fresh engine will have higher oil
>> pressure will that result in higher crankcase pressures which would tend to
>> increase leakage past the scroll seal?
>> *Michael I would be interested to know why you are thinking that a
>> rebuild is necessary at this stage. The drop in oil pressure alone would
>> IMHO not be reason enough. Is the engine making odd noises or burning
>> excessive amounts of oil? Perhaps a "ring and bearing" job would be the
>> best way to go.*
>>
>> Q2--My car has an early aftermarket valve cover and looks like the ones
>> sold by Ray Juncal minus one fin and with a flat versus a slightly convex
>> top surface.  There is no vent nipple and it has a spring-loaded filler cap
>> that probably does not make a tight seal though there is no oil blow-by.
>> Is there a real advantage to installing a PCV valve and if so where should
>> the hose terminate?  I removed the original LeMans kit CAB some time back
>> and would prefer not to refit it.
>> *The PCV system that I've developed doesn't involve the rocker cover at
>> all and, by the sounds of it, your engine would be an ideal candidate.
>> Check the web site that I showed  ... the system is virtually invisible but
>> does require the replacement of the manifold balance pipe.*
>>
>> M
>>
>> On Sat., Nov. 4, 2023, 6:06 p.m. Michael Oritt, <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael--
>>>
>>> Thanks for your input and I am certainly willing to forgo the expense
>>> and trouble of having a rear seal fit if there is a strong chance of it not
>>> being successful.
>>> Besides (being an aging male) I should probably have the grace to allow
>>> my car to have an occasional drip or two.
>>>
>>> A couple of questions....
>>>
>>> Q1--As said earlier my car does not have a great amount of leakage
>>> through the cotter pin in the bell housing, though I do seem to remember
>>> that it leaked more after the engine was freshly rebuilt about 70K miles
>>> ago.  My oil pressure has also dropped about 10-15 psi from where it was
>>> after the rebuild.  Assuming that a fresh engine will have higher oil
>>> pressure will that result in higher crankcase pressures which would tend to
>>> increase leakage past the scroll seal?
>>>
>>> Q2--My car has an early aftermarket valve cover and looks like the ones
>>> sold by Ray Juncal minus one fin and with a flat versus a slightly convex
>>> top surface.  There is no vent nipple and it has a spring-loaded filler cap
>>> that probably does not make a tight seal though there is no oil blow-by.
>>> Is there a real advantage to installing a PCV valve and if so where should
>>> the hose terminate?  I removed the original LeMans kit CAB some time back
>>> and would prefer not to refit it.
>>>
>>> Thanks--Michael Oritt
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 4:04?PM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've fitted a couple of those kits and have been somewhat underwhelmed.
>>>> Firstly you have to be VERY careful with the rear cap machining
>>>> alignment,  definitely a case of measure twice, cut once. I would strongly
>>>> recommend that the cap is in place on the block for this operation.
>>>> Secondly I was very disappointed to find that the designers decided
>>>> that it was just too much effort to utilize the 3 tapped holes already in
>>>> the block to secure the upper half of the seal holder and instead required
>>>> that one drill and tap 2 more holes for that purpose.
>>>> Thirdly, and I appreciate that there is possibly no way around this
>>>> but, the scroll on the crankshaft has to be machined off which is something
>>>> that you should have your crank grinder do when the crank is being
>>>> machined. I did mine in my 8" lathe and it's pretty scary having that huge
>>>> hunk of steel spinning between centers (don't forget to disable the chuck
>>>> brake ... rather frightening to notice the chuck winding off the spindle as
>>>> you power it down??).
>>>> Finally, after all that effort, there was still a small leak from the
>>>> rear main which I finally resolved by installing my PCV.
>>>>  kit.
>>>> https://precisionsportscar.com/austin-healey-100-engine-oil-leak-solution/
>>>>
>>>> In future I'm not going to bother with the seal kit and just fot the
>>>> PCV.
>>>>
>>>> M
>>>>
>>>> On Fri., Nov. 3, 2023, 11:19 p.m. Michael Oritt, <
>>>> michael.oritt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm having my 100's engine done this winter and though it's not a
>>>>> terrible leaker I''d like to install a rear seal kit to tighten things up
>>>>> as much as possible.
>>>>> I know there are several different kits available and would appreciate
>>>>> any input on which one to select along with installation tips.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best--Michael Oritt
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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  5 08:56:38 2023
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2023 07:56:38 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Cheap big healey
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100-6
Link works for me. You need facebook

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
1967 MGB Roadster

On Sat, Nov 4, 2023, 7:22?PM <alfuller194 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bob - I had the same issue...
>
> Solution: click on the link again, and when you get the error, go up to the
> link address bar and delete the leading "m.", which is telling the browser
> to render the mobile version - but you are doing this [I bet] not on a
> mobile phone, rather on a full browser.
>
> -----------------------------------
> All the best,
>
> Al Fuller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob Haskell
> Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 11:51 AM
> To: healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Cheap big healey
>
> When I click on the link the web page states that this content isn't
> available right now.
>
> Bob Haskell
> Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar
>
> On 11/4/23 12:44, i erbs wrote:
> > NFI needs lots of work. But some of you have started with less.
> > https://m.facebook.com/groups/1858218614412735/permalink/3639412682959
> > 977/?ref=share&mibextid=NOb6eG
> > <https://m.facebook.com/groups/1858218614412735/permalink/363941268295
> > 9977/?ref=share&mibextid=NOb6eG>
> >
> > Ira Erbs
> > Milwaukie, OR
> > 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
> > 1967 MGB Roadster
> >
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From rchaskell at earthlink.net  Sun Nov  5 10:49:32 2023
From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2023 12:49:32 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Cheap big healey
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References: <CABXhz8-HOcXg3m8LYMjbUfGa=anDwL1zYVE7gWGEk0YqT1YVTQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Al,

Thanks, removing the leading "m." from the URL fixed the issue. Yup, 
Firefox/Linux desktop.

Bob Haskell
Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar

On 11/4/23 21:51, alfuller194 at gmail.com wrote:
> Bob - I had the same issue...
>
> Solution: click on the link again, and when you get the error, go up to the
> link address bar and delete the leading "m.", which is telling the browser
> to render the mobile version - but you are doing this [I bet] not on a
> mobile phone, rather on a full browser.
>
> -----------------------------------
> All the best,
>
> Al Fuller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob Haskell
> Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 11:51 AM
> To: healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Cheap big healey
>
> When I click on the link the web page states that this content isn't
> available right now.
>
> Bob Haskell
> Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar
>
> On 11/4/23 12:44, i erbs wrote:
>> NFI needs lots of work. But some of you have started with less.
>> https://m.facebook.com/groups/1858218614412735/permalink/3639412682959
>> 977/?ref=share&mibextid=NOb6eG
>> <https://m.facebook.com/groups/1858218614412735/permalink/363941268295
>> 9977/?ref=share&mibextid=NOb6eG>
>>
>> Ira Erbs
>> Milwaukie, OR
>> 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
>> 1967 MGB Roadster
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual
>> donation  $12.75
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From sbyers at ec.rr.com  Sun Nov  5 13:01:34 2023
From: sbyers at ec.rr.com (sbyers at ec.rr.com)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2023 15:01:34 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Cheap big healey
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When I do that and click, it requires a log-in to Facebook.  I cannot log
into FB due to not going there frequently enough to remember my password.
FB tells me it will send a super-duper triple top secret passcode to my
email address (which they quote correctly) that will allow me to change my
password, but after multiple tries I never get it.  There is no human being
available at FB that can solve the issue.  FB is more trouble than it's
worth.

Steve Byers
BJ8 Registry

-----Original Message-----
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of
alfuller194 at gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 9:51 PM
To: 'Bob Haskell' <rchaskell at earthlink.net>; healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Cheap big healey

Bob - I had the same issue...

Solution: click on the link again, and when you get the error, go up to the
link address bar and delete the leading "m.", which is telling the browser
to render the mobile version - but you are doing this [I bet] not on a
mobile phone, rather on a full browser.

-----------------------------------
All the best,

Al Fuller

-----Original Message-----
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob Haskell
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 11:51 AM
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Cheap big healey

When I click on the link the web page states that this content isn't
available right now.

Bob Haskell
Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar

On 11/4/23 12:44, i erbs wrote:
> NFI needs lots of work. But some of you have started with less.
> https://m.facebook.com/groups/1858218614412735/permalink/3639412682959
> 977/?ref=share&mibextid=NOb6eG
> <https://m.facebook.com/groups/1858218614412735/permalink/363941268295
> 9977/?ref=share&mibextid=NOb6eG>
>
> Ira Erbs
> Milwaukie, OR
> 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
> 1967 MGB Roadster
>
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual 
> donation  $12.75
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Sun Nov  5 21:39:22 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2023 20:39:22 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Rear seal kit
In-Reply-To: <D3F67092-EE26-4616-9D46-B061F8448194@sbcglobal.net>
References: <CAPTa0B7Rgg+yKyzUUxRFE9+JjmtVjMDuyLdm=si=QMP=x=n95g@mail.gmail.com>
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David,

Do you drill the hole in the bearing cap?

bs

On 11/4/2023 9:04 PM, David Nock via Healeys wrote:
> I have installed probably 30 of the 100/4 rear seal conversions. ?And 
> as long as you follow the instructions it works fine.
> You do have to make sure that you seal the rear center oil pan bolt. 
> It goes directly into the rear main drain and if you don?t use a 
> copper washer and seal the threads it will leak. And you will blame 
> the rear main seal.
>
> David Nock
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 4, 2023, at 4:57 PM, Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Michael--
>>
>> Thanks for your input and I am certainly willing to forgo the expense 
>> and trouble of having a rear seal fit if there is a strong chance of 
>> it not being successful.
>> Besides (being an aging male) I should probably have the grace to 
>> allow my car to have an occasional drip or two.
>>
>> A couple of questions....
>>
>> Q1--As said earlier my car does not have a great amount of leakage 
>> through the cotter pin in the bell housing, though I do seem to 
>> remember that it leaked more after the engine was freshly rebuilt 
>> about 70K miles ago.? My oil pressure has also dropped about 10-15 
>> psi from where it was after the rebuild.? Assuming that a fresh 
>> engine will have higher oil pressure will that result in higher 
>> crankcase pressures which would tend to increase leakage past the 
>> scroll seal?
>>
>> Q2--My car has an early aftermarket valve cover and looks like the 
>> ones sold by Ray Juncal minus one fin and with a flat versus a 
>> slightly convex top surface.? There is no vent nipple and it has a 
>> spring-loaded filler cap that probably does not make a tight seal 
>> though there is no oil blow-by.? Is there a real?advantage to 
>> installing a PCV valve and if so where should the hose terminate?? I 
>> removed the original LeMans kit CAB some time back and would prefer 
>> not to refit it.
>>
>> Thanks--Michael Oritt
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 4:04?PM Michael Salter 
>> <michaelsalter at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>     I've fitted a couple of those kits and have been somewhat
>>     underwhelmed.
>>     Firstly you have to be VERY careful with the rear cap machining
>>     alignment,? definitely a case of measure twice, cut once. I would
>>     strongly recommend that the cap is in place on the block for this
>>     operation.
>>     Secondly I was very disappointed to find that the designers
>>     decided that it was just too much effort to utilize the 3 tapped
>>     holes already in the block to secure the upper half of the seal
>>     holder and instead required that one drill and tap 2 more holes
>>     for that purpose.
>>     Thirdly, and I appreciate that there is possibly no way around
>>     this but, the scroll on the crankshaft has to be machined off
>>     which is something that you should have your crank grinder do
>>     when the crank is being machined. I did mine in my 8" lathe and
>>     it's pretty scary having that huge hunk of steel spinning between
>>     centers (don't forget to disable the chuck brake ... rather
>>     frightening to notice the chuck winding off the spindle as you
>>     power it down??).
>>     Finally, after all that effort, there was still a small leak from
>>     the rear main which I finally resolved by installing my PCV.
>>     ?kit.
>>     https://precisionsportscar.com/austin-healey-100-engine-oil-leak-solution/
>>
>>     In future I'm not going to bother with the seal kit and just fot
>>     the PCV.
>>
>>     M
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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  5 23:26:20 2023
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (Al Fuller)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2023 22:26:20 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Cheap big healey
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References: <CABXhz8-HOcXg3m8LYMjbUfGa=anDwL1zYVE7gWGEk0YqT1YVTQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, I now get the login request too. It's not clear whether the link
expired, was over used, or it's just a Facebook thing...

________________
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Sun, Nov 5, 2023, 12:01 PM <sbyers at ec.rr.com> wrote:

> When I do that and click, it requires a log-in to Facebook.  I cannot log
> into FB due to not going there frequently enough to remember my password.
> FB tells me it will send a super-duper triple top secret passcode to my
> email address (which they quote correctly) that will allow me to change my
> password, but after multiple tries I never get it.  There is no human being
> available at FB that can solve the issue.  FB is more trouble than it's
> worth.
>
> Steve Byers
> BJ8 Registry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of
> alfuller194 at gmail.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 9:51 PM
> To: 'Bob Haskell' <rchaskell at earthlink.net>; healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Cheap big healey
>
> Bob - I had the same issue...
>
> Solution: click on the link again, and when you get the error, go up to the
> link address bar and delete the leading "m.", which is telling the browser
> to render the mobile version - but you are doing this [I bet] not on a
> mobile phone, rather on a full browser.
>
> -----------------------------------
> All the best,
>
> Al Fuller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob Haskell
> Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 11:51 AM
> To: healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Cheap big healey
>
> When I click on the link the web page states that this content isn't
> available right now.
>
> Bob Haskell
> Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar
>
> On 11/4/23 12:44, i erbs wrote:
> > NFI needs lots of work. But some of you have started with less.
> > https://m.facebook.com/groups/1858218614412735/permalink/3639412682959
> > 977/?ref=share&mibextid=NOb6eG
> > <https://m.facebook.com/groups/1858218614412735/permalink/363941268295
> > 9977/?ref=share&mibextid=NOb6eG>
> >
> > Ira Erbs
> > Milwaukie, OR
> > 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
> > 1967 MGB Roadster
> >
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From rct2bnc at aol.com  Mon Nov  6 06:56:19 2023
From: rct2bnc at aol.com (rct2bnc)
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2023 08:56:19 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Cheap big healey
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SteveYou might check your spam folder for those FB responses?Ben Cohen?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: sbyers--- via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> Date: 11/6/23  8:20 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: alfuller194 at gmail.com, 'Bob Haskell' <rchaskell at earthlink.net>, healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Cheap big healey When I do that and click, it requires a log-in to Facebook.? I cannot loginto FB due to not going there frequently enough to remember my password.FB tells me it will send a super-duper triple top secret passcode to myemail address (which they quote correctly) that will allow me to change mypassword, but after multiple tries I never get it.? There is no human beingavailable at FB that can solve the issue.? FB is more trouble than it'sworth.Steve ByersBJ8 Registry-----Original Message-----From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Ofalfuller194 at gmail.comSent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 9:51 PMTo: 'Bob Haskell' <rchaskell at earthlink.net>; healeys at autox.team.netSubject: Re: [Healeys] Cheap big healeyBob - I had the same issue...Solution: click on the link again, and when you get the error, go up to thelink address bar and delete the leading "m.", which is telling the browserto render the mobile version - but you are doing this [I bet] not on amobile phone, rather on a full browser.-----------------------------------All the best,Al Fuller-----Original Message-----From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob HaskellSent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 11:51 AMTo: healeys at autox.team.netSubject: Re: [Healeys] Cheap big healeyWhen I click on the link the web page states that this content isn'tavailable right now.Bob HaskellAustin-Healey 3000 roadster registrarOn 11/4/23 12:44, i erbs wrote:> NFI needs lots of work. But some of you have started with less.> https://m.facebook.com/groups/1858218614412735/permalink/3639412682959> 977/?ref=share&mibextid=NOb6eG> <https://m.facebook.com/groups/1858218614412735/permalink/363941268295> 9977/?ref=share&mibextid=NOb6eG>>> Ira Erbs> Milwaukie, OR> 1959 Austin Healey 100-6> 1967 MGB Roadster>> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual > donation? $12.75>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys>> Healeys at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net>_______________________________________________Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation$12.75Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeyshttp://autox.team.net/archive/healeysHealeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeysUnsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/alfuller194 at gmail.com_______________________________________________Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation$12.75Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeyshttp://autox.team.net/archive/healeysHealeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeysUnsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/sbyers at ec.rr.com_______________________________________________Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlSuggested annual donation? $12.75Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeysHealeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeysUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rct2bnc at aol.com
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From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  6 12:58:33 2023
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2023 11:58:33 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Valvoline VR1
Message-ID: <CAL4ZEONQwoEr1aTfKMH7nwQPK8U6Qi0fPSV2s98LbC=0MEN_mA@mail.gmail.com>

For those of you guys that use Valvoline VR1 to protect those cams and
folowers this video might vindicate your selection.  Very interesting
history of VR1.

https://youtu.be/W48nygk1mlc?si=2FkabLDs4RcgmSEi

Mike MacLean
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Mon Nov  6 16:23:50 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2023 18:23:50 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Events around Englewood. FL.
Message-ID: <CAB3i7LLi+f=jOgAZ2+w-McE4sdnsk+wMWA3pe_L8ZqDiC8JwoA@mail.gmail.com>

Traveling to Englewood FL for a week in the sun.
Any Healey stuff going on in the area?

M
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From rmarkovich at aol.com  Mon Nov  6 16:41:11 2023
From: rmarkovich at aol.com (Robert Markovich)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2023 23:41:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Valvoline VR1
In-Reply-To: <CAL4ZEONQwoEr1aTfKMH7nwQPK8U6Qi0fPSV2s98LbC=0MEN_mA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL4ZEONQwoEr1aTfKMH7nwQPK8U6Qi0fPSV2s98LbC=0MEN_mA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <715591465.168859.1699314071788@mail.yahoo.com>

 Excellent and convincing video! Nice to know VR1 is even better now (and never did trust the ZDDP additives, which to me can't possibly work as well as a factory-balanced blend.?
    On Monday, November 6, 2023, 04:13:33 PM EST, Michael MacLean <springer.mike51 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 For those of you guys that use Valvoline VR1 to protect those cams and folowers this video might vindicate your selection.? Very interesting history of VR1.
https://youtu.be/W48nygk1mlc?si=2FkabLDs4RcgmSEi
Mike MacLean
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From flyhihealey at gmail.com  Tue Nov  7 04:30:53 2023
From: flyhihealey at gmail.com (Warren Dietz)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2023 06:30:53 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Valvoline VR1
In-Reply-To: <CAL4ZEONQwoEr1aTfKMH7nwQPK8U6Qi0fPSV2s98LbC=0MEN_mA@mail.gmail.com>
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Tue Nov  7 07:18:29 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2023 06:18:29 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Valvoline VR1
In-Reply-To: <9BB6EE8F-5DAC-4BBC-A442-F1653ABC8ECB@hxcore.ol>
References: <CAL4ZEONQwoEr1aTfKMH7nwQPK8U6Qi0fPSV2s98LbC=0MEN_mA@mail.gmail.com>
 <9BB6EE8F-5DAC-4BBC-A442-F1653ABC8ECB@hxcore.ol>
Message-ID: <97caf302-cfd1-4e6d-8c79-8f2b52c1f1c7@comcast.net>

I think it's a safe bet if the Castrol has the same SP rating it would 
be equivalent.

bs

On 11/7/2023 3:30 AM, Warren Dietz wrote:
>
> Any comparison of Valvoline VR1 20w-50 vs the ?new? Castrol GTX 
> Classic 20w-50 with added zinc?
>
> Other than price.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows
>
> *From: *Michael MacLean <mailto:springer.mike51 at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Monday, November 6, 2023 3:53 PM
> *To: *Ahealey help <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>; Spridgets 
> <mailto:spridgets at autox.team.net>
> *Subject: *[Healeys] Valvoline VR1
>
> For those of you guys that use Valvoline VR1 to protect those cams and 
> folowers this video might vindicate your selection.? Very interesting 
> history of VR1.
>
> https://youtu.be/W48nygk1mlc?si=2FkabLDs4RcgmSEi
>
> Mike MacLean
>
>
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From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  7 11:11:51 2023
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2023 10:11:51 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Valvoline VR1
In-Reply-To: <9BB6EE8F-5DAC-4BBC-A442-F1653ABC8ECB@hxcore.ol>
References: <CAL4ZEONQwoEr1aTfKMH7nwQPK8U6Qi0fPSV2s98LbC=0MEN_mA@mail.gmail.com>
 <9BB6EE8F-5DAC-4BBC-A442-F1653ABC8ECB@hxcore.ol>
Message-ID: <CAL4ZEON6JDiR77NLBsaU-ddw-eM12GiP5szPhOXQMYrT2g1dFg@mail.gmail.com>

Warren,
     He did this video on comparing the old GTX to GTX Classic.

https://youtu.be/Kg7edyYgD8E?si=s1LYe-87T7ZV1pYv


Mike MacLean


On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 3:49?AM Warren Dietz <flyhihealey at gmail.com> wrote:

> Any comparison of Valvoline VR1 20w-50 vs the ?new? Castrol GTX Classic
> 20w-50 with added zinc?
>
> Other than price.
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows
>
>
>
> *From: *Michael MacLean <springer.mike51 at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Monday, November 6, 2023 3:53 PM
> *To: *Ahealey help <healeys at autox.team.net>; Spridgets
> <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> *Subject: *[Healeys] Valvoline VR1
>
>
>
> For those of you guys that use Valvoline VR1 to protect those cams and
> folowers this video might vindicate your selection.  Very interesting
> history of VR1.
>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/W48nygk1mlc?si=2FkabLDs4RcgmSEi
>
>
>
> Mike MacLean
>
>
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From tahoehealey at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  7 13:07:23 2023
From: tahoehealey at hotmail.com (Richard Kahn)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2023 20:07:23 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Valvoline VR1
In-Reply-To: <CAL4ZEON6JDiR77NLBsaU-ddw-eM12GiP5szPhOXQMYrT2g1dFg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL4ZEONQwoEr1aTfKMH7nwQPK8U6Qi0fPSV2s98LbC=0MEN_mA@mail.gmail.com>
 <9BB6EE8F-5DAC-4BBC-A442-F1653ABC8ECB@hxcore.ol>
 <CAL4ZEON6JDiR77NLBsaU-ddw-eM12GiP5szPhOXQMYrT2g1dFg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BY5PR07MB65142A6C80A3E8EC893F591FA4A9A@BY5PR07MB6514.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

So, what I understood was that using a ZZDP additive to Castrol GTX 20/50 isn't a bad idea.
________________________________
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Michael MacLean <springer.mike51 at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2023 10:11 AM
To: Warren Dietz <flyhihealey at gmail.com>; Ahealey help <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Valvoline VR1

Warren,
     He did this video on comparing the old GTX to GTX Classic.

https://youtu.be/Kg7edyYgD8E?si=s1LYe-87T7ZV1pYv


Mike MacLean


On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 3:49?AM Warren Dietz <flyhihealey at gmail.com<mailto:flyhihealey at gmail.com>> wrote:

Any comparison of Valvoline VR1 20w-50 vs the ?new? Castrol GTX Classic 20w-50 with added zinc?

Other than price.



Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows



From: Michael MacLean<mailto:springer.mike51 at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 6, 2023 3:53 PM
To: Ahealey help<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>; Spridgets<mailto:spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Valvoline VR1



For those of you guys that use Valvoline VR1 to protect those cams and folowers this video might vindicate your selection.  Very interesting history of VR1.



https://youtu.be/W48nygk1mlc?si=2FkabLDs4RcgmSEi



Mike MacLean



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From 2x2doc at gmail.com  Tue Nov  7 13:48:11 2023
From: 2x2doc at gmail.com (patrick williams)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2023 15:48:11 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] suppliers for interior trim
Message-ID: <CAPHe+_ZAG+3kbpj0OpJL0Gd2vFRDYPUFX=2+WYid9fAdHy497Q@mail.gmail.com>

John,
Getting to my backlog of emails.  I don't know if you've located a
supplier, but I have some extra biscuit vinyl I got from Heritage close to
20 years ago.  How much do you need?  I'm in the Atlanta area.
Pat Williams
1960 BT7
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From guido36 at att.net  Tue Nov  7 18:23:51 2023
From: guido36 at att.net (Guy Coldwell)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2023 20:23:51 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Events around Englewood Fl
References: <98069C2D-1DCA-4563-8DE4-FCCC31C7816B.ref@att.net>
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From greylinn at ozemail.com.au  Wed Nov  8 01:15:12 2023
From: greylinn at ozemail.com.au (greylinn at ozemail.com.au)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2023 18:15:12 +1000
Subject: [Healeys] Moment of Stupidity
In-Reply-To: <TY2PR0101MB276785C981E91E0530EF49438CABA@TY2PR0101MB2767.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <TY2PR0101MB276785C981E91E0530EF49438CABA@TY2PR0101MB2767.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAACLbBf6tPwJOogdcbZ17LgwBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADAr45vVtPGQo6Xg/riRXUEAQAAAAA=@ozemail.com.au>

..you are not alone!

Cheers

 

Peter

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Patrick and
Caroline Quinn
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 6:01 PM
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: [Healeys] Moment of Stupidity

 

G'day

 

We all have them when either the brain isn't in gear, or you don't focus
enough.

 

Trying to remove the slack from the BN3's gear change. It's a 100S gearbox,
therefore sideshift, and the same from the BN2 through to the early Mk2
Roadsters.

 

Removed the gearstick and all okay. Put it back in and 'tinkle, tinkle' the
sound the brass bush falling down into the black abyss.

 

The car is now on jack stands and the oil is about to be drained so the
sideplate can be removed.

 

A moment of stupidity.

 

Hoo Roo

 

Patrick Quinn

Blue Mountains, Australia

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From p.cquinn at outlook.com  Wed Nov  8 01:28:21 2023
From: p.cquinn at outlook.com (Patrick and Caroline Quinn)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2023 08:28:21 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Moment of Stupidity
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAACLbBf6tPwJOogdcbZ17LgwBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADAr45vVtPGQo6Xg/riRXUEAQAAAAA=@ozemail.com.au>
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Hello Peter

I suppose I am pleased about that.

The sideplate has been removed and the offending items retrieved.

Hoo Roo

Patrick Quinn
Blue Mountains, Australia

From: greylinn at ozemail.com.au <greylinn at ozemail.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2023 7:15 PM
To: 'Patrick and Caroline Quinn' <p.cquinn at outlook.com>; healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Moment of Stupidity

....you are not alone!

Cheers

Peter

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Patrick and Caroline Quinn
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 6:01 PM
To: healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Moment of Stupidity

G'day

We all have them when either the brain isn't in gear, or you don't focus enough.

Trying to remove the slack from the BN3's gear change. It's a 100S gearbox, therefore sideshift, and the same from the BN2 through to the early Mk2 Roadsters.

Removed the gearstick and all okay. Put it back in and 'tinkle, tinkle' the sound the brass bush falling down into the black abyss.

The car is now on jack stands and the oil is about to be drained so the sideplate can be removed.

A moment of stupidity.

Hoo Roo

Patrick Quinn
Blue Mountains, Australia
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Thu Nov  9 07:50:08 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2023 09:50:08 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Events around Englewood Fl
In-Reply-To: <98069C2D-1DCA-4563-8DE4-FCCC31C7816B@att.net>
References: <98069C2D-1DCA-4563-8DE4-FCCC31C7816B.ref@att.net>
 <98069C2D-1DCA-4563-8DE4-FCCC31C7816B@att.net>
Message-ID: <CAB3i7LLrMvudmeAc1HwFXP4r6t+szm-HMYDjXi_MnUb1KoiVCA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all who responded to my enquiry.  Very much appreciated.

M

On Tue., Nov. 7, 2023, 9:03 p.m. Guy Coldwell via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Not for the AH purist but Candido Cavaliere produces some of the nicest BJ
> 8 style replicas and is located in Port Charlotte which is a few miles
> South of Englewood Fl.
>
> [image: emotionheader.jpg]
>
> Candido Cavaliere - Home <https://www.cavaliereroadsters.com/>
> cavaliereroadsters.com <https://www.cavaliereroadsters.com/>
> <https://www.cavaliereroadsters.com/>
>
> It might be worth contacting the Tampa Bay Austin Healey Club , also
> situated on the West Coast of Florida.  Unfortunately their Field Meet and
> Autojumble was a couple of weeks ago on October 28th.
>
>
> Region Page Template - Austin Healey Club of America, Inc.
> <https://healeyclub.org/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=215328&module_id=495355>
> healeyclub.org
> <https://healeyclub.org/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=215328&module_id=495355>
> [image: favicon.ico]
> <https://healeyclub.org/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=215328&module_id=495355>
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From javrugtman at htcnet.org  Fri Nov 10 08:28:22 2023
From: javrugtman at htcnet.org (John Vrugtman)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 10:28:22 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
Message-ID: <2900bcc5-41d5-41d2-9246-8fb5503acfd1@htcnet.org>

Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?? I ask, 
because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to 
replace it.

John
Hightown, VA

From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Fri Nov 10 10:02:51 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 12:02:51 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
In-Reply-To: <2900bcc5-41d5-41d2-9246-8fb5503acfd1@htcnet.org>
References: <2900bcc5-41d5-41d2-9246-8fb5503acfd1@htcnet.org>
Message-ID: <CAB3i7LK9wwJbBePOfr16CA8C7ECxRnPqRNPv1aWYa2RU0ej4YQ@mail.gmail.com>

After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets being
"run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that people find
the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 3.66/1 in my BN1.
There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant to
quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with these?

M

On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?  I ask,
> because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
> replace it.
>
> John
> Hightown, VA
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From svilanspeter at xplornet.ca  Fri Nov 10 15:41:32 2023
From: svilanspeter at xplornet.ca (Peter Svilans)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 17:41:32 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
In-Reply-To: <CAB3i7LK9wwJbBePOfr16CA8C7ECxRnPqRNPv1aWYa2RU0ej4YQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2900bcc5-41d5-41d2-9246-8fb5503acfd1@htcnet.org>
 <CAB3i7LK9wwJbBePOfr16CA8C7ECxRnPqRNPv1aWYa2RU0ej4YQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <af88b61e126d6d96890bdeb7a11815a6@xplornet.ca>

Michael,

For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% 
Chrome Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.  
Factory spec.

Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!

Best,

Peter

On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:

> After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets 
> being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that 
> people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 
> 3.66/1 in my BN1.
> There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are 
> meant to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success 
> with these?
> 
> M
> 
> On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, 
> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?  I ask,
>> because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want 
>> to
>> replace it.
>> 
>> John
>> Hightown, VA
>> _______________________________________________
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From stmiller96 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 11 05:59:25 2023
From: stmiller96 at hotmail.com (S and T Miller)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 12:59:25 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Low tension wire
Message-ID: <PH7P221MB10073DF1662187433313BD3AD4ADA@PH7P221MB1007.NAMP221.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Does anyone know the specifications and/or source of the distributor low tension cloth covered black wire lead? Interested in the gauge and type of wire as original, because of the look and its exceptional flexibility.

I do realize that there are a few sources for the leads, but I'd rather have a length to keep on hand to make my own.
TY, Shawn

The Millers

"Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test drive."
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Sat Nov 11 07:11:28 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 06:11:28 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
In-Reply-To: <af88b61e126d6d96890bdeb7a11815a6@xplornet.ca>
References: <2900bcc5-41d5-41d2-9246-8fb5503acfd1@htcnet.org>
 <CAB3i7LK9wwJbBePOfr16CA8C7ECxRnPqRNPv1aWYa2RU0ej4YQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <af88b61e126d6d96890bdeb7a11815a6@xplornet.ca>
Message-ID: <db10365e-5634-4421-93f0-7886d03365b9@comcast.net>

I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly 
caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a 
process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the 
book' and it's a bit noisy? (it's only bothersome with the hood up, 
which isn't often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 
75-140--which seemed to help a little but short of putting lard in I 
don't think there's a 'solution in a can.'

My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs 
had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC, 
DWM sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.


On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% 
> Chrome Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.? 
> Factory spec.
>
> Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!
>
> Best,
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:
>
>> After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets 
>> being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that 
>> people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 
>> 3.66/1 in my BN1.
>> There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are 
>> meant to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success 
>> with these?
>> M
>>
>> On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, 
>> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>     Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?? I ask,
>>     because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and
>>     want to
>>     replace it.
>>
>>     John
>>     Hightown, VA
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Sat Nov 11 07:14:50 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 06:14:50 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Low tension wire
In-Reply-To: <PH7P221MB10073DF1662187433313BD3AD4ADA@PH7P221MB1007.NAMP221.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <PH7P221MB10073DF1662187433313BD3AD4ADA@PH7P221MB1007.NAMP221.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <b47a2748-9db3-40e3-a024-523b8bc0212f@comcast.net>

I don't think I've seen one covered in cloth.

https://www.amazon.com/BENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing/dp/B0BGX937NC?th=1


https://www.amazon.com/BENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing/dp/B0BGX937NC?th=1

On 11/11/2023 4:59 AM, S and T Miller wrote:
> Does anyone know the specifications and/or source of the distributor 
> low tension cloth covered black wire lead? Interested in the gauge and 
> type of wire as original, because of the look and its exceptional 
> flexibility.
>
> I do realize that there are a few sources for the leads, but I'd 
> rather have a length to keep on hand to make my own.
> TY, Shawn
>
> The Millers
>
> "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a 
> test drive."
>
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Sat Nov 11 08:19:07 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 10:19:07 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Low tension wire
In-Reply-To: <b47a2748-9db3-40e3-a024-523b8bc0212f@comcast.net>
References: <PH7P221MB10073DF1662187433313BD3AD4ADA@PH7P221MB1007.NAMP221.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <b47a2748-9db3-40e3-a024-523b8bc0212f@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAB3i7LJya5QCrF1iCX7yYurY02axtt0k5NVdcUsMAqf6dgbd-A@mail.gmail.com>

Bob, yes they actually do have a "braided" cloth insulation sleeve over the
braided copper wire originally.  I think the material is cotton.
I would try using shoe laces. You may have to buy a few types to get what
you want but I found a tubular type of lace which has an inner tube
component on Amazon which is just about perfect for the job.

M

On Sat., Nov. 11, 2023, 9:48 a.m. Bob Spidell, <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

> I don't think I've seen one covered in cloth.
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/BENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing/dp/B0BGX937NC?th=1
>
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/BENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing/dp/B0BGX937NC?th=1
>
> On 11/11/2023 4:59 AM, S and T Miller wrote:
>
> Does anyone know the specifications and/or source of the distributor low
> tension cloth covered black wire lead? Interested in the gauge and type of
> wire as original, because of the look and its exceptional flexibility.
>
> I do realize that there are a few sources for the leads, but I'd rather
> have a length to keep on hand to make my own.
> TY, Shawn
>
> The Millers
>
> "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test
> drive."
>
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.75
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From javrugtman at htcnet.org  Sat Nov 11 13:59:51 2023
From: javrugtman at htcnet.org (John Vrugtman)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 15:59:51 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Low tension wire
In-Reply-To: <CAB3i7LJya5QCrF1iCX7yYurY02axtt0k5NVdcUsMAqf6dgbd-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <PH7P221MB10073DF1662187433313BD3AD4ADA@PH7P221MB1007.NAMP221.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <b47a2748-9db3-40e3-a024-523b8bc0212f@comcast.net>
 <CAB3i7LJya5QCrF1iCX7yYurY02axtt0k5NVdcUsMAqf6dgbd-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <36aac2e2-0966-4cf6-9b03-875c0e83e42e@htcnet.org>

*Now that's perfect example of thinking outside the box; shoe laces for 
ignition wire covers.*

On 11/11/2023 10:19 AM, Michael Salter via Healeys wrote:
> Bob, yes they actually do have a "braided" cloth insulation sleeve 
> over the braided copper wire originally.? I think the material is cotton.
> I would try using shoe laces. You may have to buy a few types to get 
> what you want but I found a tubular type of lace which has an inner 
> tube component on Amazon which is just about perfect for the job.
>
> M
>
> On Sat., Nov. 11, 2023, 9:48 a.m. Bob Spidell, <bspidell at comcast.net> 
> wrote:
>
>     I don't think I've seen one covered in cloth.
>
>     https://www.amazon.com/BENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing/dp/B0BGX937NC?th=1
>
>
>     https://www.amazon.com/BENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing/dp/B0BGX937NC?th=1
>
>     On 11/11/2023 4:59 AM, S and T Miller wrote:
>>     Does anyone know the specifications and/or source of the
>>     distributor low tension cloth covered black wire lead? Interested
>>     in the gauge and type of wire as original, because of the look
>>     and its exceptional flexibility.
>>
>>     I do realize that there are a few sources for the leads, but I'd
>>     rather have a length to keep on hand to make my own.
>>     TY, Shawn
>>
>>     The Millers
>>
>>     "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is
>>     a test drive."
>>
>
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Sat Nov 11 17:47:44 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 19:47:44 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Low tension wire
In-Reply-To: <36aac2e2-0966-4cf6-9b03-875c0e83e42e@htcnet.org>
References: <PH7P221MB10073DF1662187433313BD3AD4ADA@PH7P221MB1007.NAMP221.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <b47a2748-9db3-40e3-a024-523b8bc0212f@comcast.net>
 <CAB3i7LJya5QCrF1iCX7yYurY02axtt0k5NVdcUsMAqf6dgbd-A@mail.gmail.com>
 <36aac2e2-0966-4cf6-9b03-875c0e83e42e@htcnet.org>
Message-ID: <CAB3i7L+YTK52hpK3Znvdn-Xd0ZG5NG-AGGt8EAuHH2_zq8ZMdQ@mail.gmail.com>

I must give credit where credit is due.
The shoe laces idea is one I got from Andy Thorp in New Zealand.

M

On Sat., Nov. 11, 2023, 5:22 p.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> *Now that's perfect example of thinking outside the box; shoe laces for
> ignition wire covers.*
>
> On 11/11/2023 10:19 AM, Michael Salter via Healeys wrote:
>
> Bob, yes they actually do have a "braided" cloth insulation sleeve over
> the braided copper wire originally.  I think the material is cotton.
> I would try using shoe laces. You may have to buy a few types to get what
> you want but I found a tubular type of lace which has an inner tube
> component on Amazon which is just about perfect for the job.
>
> M
>
> On Sat., Nov. 11, 2023, 9:48 a.m. Bob Spidell, <bspidell at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I don't think I've seen one covered in cloth.
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/BENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing/dp/B0BGX937NC?th=1
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/BENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing/dp/B0BGX937NC?th=1
>>
>> On 11/11/2023 4:59 AM, S and T Miller wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know the specifications and/or source of the distributor low
>> tension cloth covered black wire lead? Interested in the gauge and type of
>> wire as original, because of the look and its exceptional flexibility.
>>
>> I do realize that there are a few sources for the leads, but I'd rather
>> have a length to keep on hand to make my own.
>> TY, Shawn
>>
>> The Millers
>>
>> "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test
>> drive."
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.75
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From michael.oritt at gmail.com  Sat Nov 11 18:52:04 2023
From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 20:52:04 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
In-Reply-To: <db10365e-5634-4421-93f0-7886d03365b9@comcast.net>
References: <2900bcc5-41d5-41d2-9246-8fb5503acfd1@htcnet.org>
 <CAB3i7LK9wwJbBePOfr16CA8C7ECxRnPqRNPv1aWYa2RU0ej4YQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <db10365e-5634-4421-93f0-7886d03365b9@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAPTa0B4gkfN5m1S=Oc_VXGOTEgDKunonucGa898ttAQwRvpHgA@mail.gmail.com>

"short of putting lard in"
-------------------------------
The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars' rears
to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.

On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

> I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly
> caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a
> process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the book'
> and it's a bit noisy  (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which isn't
> often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which seemed to
> help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a
> 'solution in a can.'
>
> My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs
> had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC, DWM
> sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.
>
>
> On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% Chrome
> Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.  Factory
> spec.
>
> Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!
>
> Best,
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:
>
> After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets
> being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that
> people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 3.66/1
> in my BN1.
> There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant
> to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with these?
>
> M
>
> On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?  I ask,
> because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
> replace it.
>
> John
> Hightown, VA
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 08:33:20 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
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I thought sawdust was the preferred additive.

On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 10:43?PM Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
wrote:

> "short of putting lard in"
> -------------------------------
> The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars'
> rears to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly
>> caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a
>> process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the book'
>> and it's a bit noisy  (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which isn't
>> often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which seemed to
>> help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a
>> 'solution in a can.'
>>
>> My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs
>> had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC, DWM
>> sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.
>>
>>
>> On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% Chrome
>> Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.  Factory
>> spec.
>>
>> Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:
>>
>> After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets
>> being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that
>> people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 3.66/1
>> in my BN1.
>> There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant
>> to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with these?
>>
>> M
>>
>> On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?  I ask,
>> because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
>> replace it.
>>
>> John
>> Hightown, VA
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From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com  Sun Nov 12 06:45:35 2023
From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 13:45:35 -0000
Subject: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
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Women?s stockings were reputedly another favourite.

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Oritt
Sent: 12 November 2023 01:52
To: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion

 

"short of putting lard in"

-------------------------------

The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars' rears to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.

 

On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net <mailto:bspidell at comcast.net> > wrote:

I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the book' and it's a bit noisy  (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which isn't often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which seemed to help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a 'solution in a can.'

My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC, DWM sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.



On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:

Michael, 

For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% Chrome Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.  Factory spec.

Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!

Best,

Peter

 

On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:

After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 3.66/1 in my BN1. 

There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with these?

 

M

 

On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?  I ask, 
because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to 
replace it.

John
Hightown, VA
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From jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 12 11:16:04 2023
From: jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net (john spaur)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 18:16:04 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
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Many years ago I had a friend who said he used a mixture of banana peels and sawdust. I am not sure what the ratio  was but you could Stat with a 50/50 mix. ???

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Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2023 5:33:20 AM
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion

I thought sawdust was the preferred additive.

On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 10:43?PM Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com<mailto:michael.oritt at gmail.com>> wrote:
"short of putting lard in"
-------------------------------
The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars' rears to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.

On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net<mailto:bspidell at comcast.net>> wrote:
I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the book' and it's a bit noisy  (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which isn't often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which seemed to help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a 'solution in a can.'

My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC, DWM sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.


On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:

Michael,

For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% Chrome Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.  Factory spec.

Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!

Best,

Peter


On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:

After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 3.66/1 in my BN1.
There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with these?

M

On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?  I ask,
because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
replace it.

John
Hightown, VA
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From michael.oritt at gmail.com  Sun Nov 12 13:52:43 2023
From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 15:52:43 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
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Gas-X (gas-x.com) definitely quiets noisy rear-ends.

Best--Michael Oritt



On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 1:16?PM john spaur <jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Many years ago I had a friend who said he used a mixture of banana peels
> and sawdust. I am not sure what the ratio  was but you could Stat with a
> 50/50 mix. ???
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of HealeyRick <
> healeyrik at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 12, 2023 5:33:20 AM
> *To:* Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
>
> I thought sawdust was the preferred additive.
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 10:43?PM Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> "short of putting lard in"
> -------------------------------
> The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars'
> rears to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly
> caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a
> process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the book'
> and it's a bit noisy  (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which isn't
> often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which seemed to
> help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a
> 'solution in a can.'
>
> My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs
> had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC, DWM
> sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.
>
>
> On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% Chrome
> Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.  Factory
> spec.
>
> Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!
>
> Best,
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:
>
> After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets
> being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that
> people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 3.66/1
> in my BN1.
> There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant
> to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with these?
>
> M
>
> On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?  I ask,
> because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
> replace it.
>
> John
> Hightown, VA
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From ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz  Sun Nov 12 16:22:46 2023
From: ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz (Mark Donaldson)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 12:22:46 +1300
Subject: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
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And don?t forget banana skins  . . .  or turning up the volume on the radio.

 

Mark

Ardmore

NZ

 

From: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, 12 November 2023 2:52 PM
To: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion

 

"short of putting lard in"

-------------------------------

The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars' rears to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.

 

On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net <mailto:bspidell at comcast.net> > wrote:

I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the book' and it's a bit noisy  (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which isn't often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which seemed to help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a 'solution in a can.'

My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC, DWM sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.



On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:

Michael, 

For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% Chrome Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.  Factory spec.

Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!

Best,

Peter

 

On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:

After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 3.66/1 in my BN1. 

There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with these?

 

M

 

On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?  I ask, 
because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to 
replace it.

John
Hightown, VA
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From gmcharris at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 12 17:44:44 2023
From: gmcharris at hotmail.com (george mcharris)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 00:44:44 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 16, Issue 278
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Just purchased from Moss and it is made with a standard wire....It should be flexable enuf ? What you say ?

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Low tension wire (John Vrugtman)
   2. Re: Low tension wire (Michael Salter)
   3. Re: Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion (Michael Oritt)
   4. Re: Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion (HealeyRick)
   5. Re: Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
      (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com)
   6. Re: Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion (john spaur)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 15:59:51 -0500
From: John Vrugtman <javrugtman at htcnet.org>
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Low tension wire
Message-ID: <36aac2e2-0966-4cf6-9b03-875c0e83e42e at htcnet.org>
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*Now that's perfect example of thinking outside the box; shoe laces for
ignition wire covers.*

On 11/11/2023 10:19 AM, Michael Salter via Healeys wrote:
> Bob, yes they actually do have a "braided" cloth insulation sleeve
> over the braided copper wire originally.? I think the material is cotton.
> I would try using shoe laces. You may have to buy a few types to get
> what you want but I found a tubular type of lace which has an inner
> tube component on Amazon which is just about perfect for the job.
>
> M
>
> On Sat., Nov. 11, 2023, 9:48 a.m. Bob Spidell, <bspidell at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>     I don't think I've seen one covered in cloth.
>
>     https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FBENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing%2Fdp%2FB0BGX937NC%3Fth%3D1&data=05%7C01%7C%7C692dd86501e9430d22d308dbe3d5667b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638354277935599543%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4CRiiLy5DQxlkTEwJ7XfbKUZc1dGPq4Enw4bdfnBCWo%3D&reserved=0<https://www.amazon.com/BENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing/dp/B0BGX937NC?th=1>
>
>
>     https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FBENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing%2Fdp%2FB0BGX937NC%3Fth%3D1&data=05%7C01%7C%7C692dd86501e9430d22d308dbe3d5667b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638354277935599543%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4CRiiLy5DQxlkTEwJ7XfbKUZc1dGPq4Enw4bdfnBCWo%3D&reserved=0<https://www.amazon.com/BENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing/dp/B0BGX937NC?th=1>
>
>     On 11/11/2023 4:59 AM, S and T Miller wrote:
>>     Does anyone know the specifications and/or source of the
>>     distributor low tension cloth covered black wire lead? Interested
>>     in the gauge and type of wire as original, because of the look
>>     and its exceptional flexibility.
>>
>>     I do realize that there are a few sources for the leads, but I'd
>>     rather have a length to keep on hand to make my own.
>>     TY, Shawn
>>
>>     The Millers
>>
>>     "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is
>>     a test drive."
>>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 19:47:44 -0500
From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
To: "healeys at autox.team.net" <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Low tension wire
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I must give credit where credit is due.
The shoe laces idea is one I got from Andy Thorp in New Zealand.

M

On Sat., Nov. 11, 2023, 5:22 p.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> *Now that's perfect example of thinking outside the box; shoe laces for
> ignition wire covers.*
>
> On 11/11/2023 10:19 AM, Michael Salter via Healeys wrote:
>
> Bob, yes they actually do have a "braided" cloth insulation sleeve over
> the braided copper wire originally.  I think the material is cotton.
> I would try using shoe laces. You may have to buy a few types to get what
> you want but I found a tubular type of lace which has an inner tube
> component on Amazon which is just about perfect for the job.
>
> M
>
> On Sat., Nov. 11, 2023, 9:48 a.m. Bob Spidell, <bspidell at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I don't think I've seen one covered in cloth.
>>
>>
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FBENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing%2Fdp%2FB0BGX937NC%3Fth%3D1&data=05%7C01%7C%7C692dd86501e9430d22d308dbe3d5667b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638354277935599543%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4CRiiLy5DQxlkTEwJ7XfbKUZc1dGPq4Enw4bdfnBCWo%3D&reserved=0<https://www.amazon.com/BENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing/dp/B0BGX937NC?th=1>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FBENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing%2Fdp%2FB0BGX937NC%3Fth%3D1&data=05%7C01%7C%7C692dd86501e9430d22d308dbe3d5667b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638354277935599543%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4CRiiLy5DQxlkTEwJ7XfbKUZc1dGPq4Enw4bdfnBCWo%3D&reserved=0<https://www.amazon.com/BENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing/dp/B0BGX937NC?th=1>
>>
>> On 11/11/2023 4:59 AM, S and T Miller wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know the specifications and/or source of the distributor low
>> tension cloth covered black wire lead? Interested in the gauge and type of
>> wire as original, because of the look and its exceptional flexibility.
>>
>> I do realize that there are a few sources for the leads, but I'd rather
>> have a length to keep on hand to make my own.
>> TY, Shawn
>>
>> The Millers
>>
>> "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test
>> drive."
>>
>>
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 20:52:04 -0500
From: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
To: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
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"short of putting lard in"
-------------------------------
The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars' rears
to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.

On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

> I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly
> caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a
> process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the book'
> and it's a bit noisy  (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which isn't
> often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which seemed to
> help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a
> 'solution in a can.'
>
> My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs
> had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC, DWM
> sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.
>
>
> On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% Chrome
> Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.  Factory
> spec.
>
> Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!
>
> Best,
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:
>
> After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets
> being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that
> people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 3.66/1
> in my BN1.
> There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant
> to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with these?
>
> M
>
> On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?  I ask,
> because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
> replace it.
>
> John
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 08:33:20 -0500
From: HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com>
To: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
Cc: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>, healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
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I thought sawdust was the preferred additive.

On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 10:43?PM Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
wrote:

> "short of putting lard in"
> -------------------------------
> The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars'
> rears to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly
>> caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a
>> process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the book'
>> and it's a bit noisy  (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which isn't
>> often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which seemed to
>> help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a
>> 'solution in a can.'
>>
>> My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs
>> had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC, DWM
>> sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.
>>
>>
>> On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% Chrome
>> Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.  Factory
>> spec.
>>
>> Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:
>>
>> After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets
>> being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that
>> people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 3.66/1
>> in my BN1.
>> There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant
>> to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with these?
>>
>> M
>>
>> On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?  I ask,
>> because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
>> replace it.
>>
>> John
>> Hightown, VA
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 13:45:35 -0000
From: <simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com>
To: "'Michael Oritt'" <michael.oritt at gmail.com>, "'Bob Spidell'"
        <bspidell at comcast.net>
Cc: <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
Message-ID: <002d01da156e$84ec8590$8ec590b0$@alexarevel.plus.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Women?s stockings were reputedly another favourite.



From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Oritt
Sent: 12 November 2023 01:52
To: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion



"short of putting lard in"

-------------------------------

The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars' rears to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.



On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net <mailto:bspidell at comcast.net> > wrote:

I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the book' and it's a bit noisy  (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which isn't often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which seemed to help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a 'solution in a can.'

My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC, DWM sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.



On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:

Michael,

For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% Chrome Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.  Factory spec.

Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!

Best,

Peter



On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:

After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 3.66/1 in my BN1.

There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with these?



M



On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?  I ask,
because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
replace it.

John
Hightown, VA
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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 18:16:04 +0000
From: john spaur <jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net>
To: HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com>, Michael Oritt
        <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
Cc: "healeys at autox.team.net" <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
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Many years ago I had a friend who said he used a mixture of banana peels and sawdust. I am not sure what the ratio  was but you could Stat with a 50/50 mix. ???

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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2023 5:33:20 AM
To: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion

I thought sawdust was the preferred additive.

On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 10:43?PM Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com<mailto:michael.oritt at gmail.com>> wrote:
"short of putting lard in"
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The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars' rears to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.

On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net<mailto:bspidell at comcast.net>> wrote:
I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the book' and it's a bit noisy  (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which isn't often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which seemed to help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a 'solution in a can.'

My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC, DWM sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.


On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:

Michael,

For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% Chrome Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.  Factory spec.

Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!

Best,

Peter


On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:

After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 3.66/1 in my BN1.
There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with these?

M

On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?  I ask,
because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
replace it.

John
Hightown, VA
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From gmcharris at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 12 17:47:08 2023
From: gmcharris at hotmail.com (george mcharris)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 00:47:08 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Low tension Wire
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I just purchased one from Moss and they use a standard wire...It should work ?? What say you ??
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Low tension wire (John Vrugtman)
   2. Re: Low tension wire (Michael Salter)
   3. Re: Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion (Michael Oritt)
   4. Re: Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion (HealeyRick)
   5. Re: Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
      (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com)
   6. Re: Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion (john spaur)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 15:59:51 -0500
From: John Vrugtman <javrugtman at htcnet.org>
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Low tension wire
Message-ID: <36aac2e2-0966-4cf6-9b03-875c0e83e42e at htcnet.org>
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*Now that's perfect example of thinking outside the box; shoe laces for
ignition wire covers.*

On 11/11/2023 10:19 AM, Michael Salter via Healeys wrote:
> Bob, yes they actually do have a "braided" cloth insulation sleeve
> over the braided copper wire originally.? I think the material is cotton.
> I would try using shoe laces. You may have to buy a few types to get
> what you want but I found a tubular type of lace which has an inner
> tube component on Amazon which is just about perfect for the job.
>
> M
>
> On Sat., Nov. 11, 2023, 9:48 a.m. Bob Spidell, <bspidell at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>     I don't think I've seen one covered in cloth.
>
>     https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FBENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing%2Fdp%2FB0BGX937NC%3Fth%3D1&data=05%7C01%7C%7C692dd86501e9430d22d308dbe3d5667b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638354277935599543%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4CRiiLy5DQxlkTEwJ7XfbKUZc1dGPq4Enw4bdfnBCWo%3D&reserved=0<https://www.amazon.com/BENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing/dp/B0BGX937NC?th=1>
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>
>     On 11/11/2023 4:59 AM, S and T Miller wrote:
>>     Does anyone know the specifications and/or source of the
>>     distributor low tension cloth covered black wire lead? Interested
>>     in the gauge and type of wire as original, because of the look
>>     and its exceptional flexibility.
>>
>>     I do realize that there are a few sources for the leads, but I'd
>>     rather have a length to keep on hand to make my own.
>>     TY, Shawn
>>
>>     The Millers
>>
>>     "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is
>>     a test drive."
>>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 19:47:44 -0500
From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
To: "healeys at autox.team.net" <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Low tension wire
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I must give credit where credit is due.
The shoe laces idea is one I got from Andy Thorp in New Zealand.

M

On Sat., Nov. 11, 2023, 5:22 p.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> *Now that's perfect example of thinking outside the box; shoe laces for
> ignition wire covers.*
>
> On 11/11/2023 10:19 AM, Michael Salter via Healeys wrote:
>
> Bob, yes they actually do have a "braided" cloth insulation sleeve over
> the braided copper wire originally.  I think the material is cotton.
> I would try using shoe laces. You may have to buy a few types to get what
> you want but I found a tubular type of lace which has an inner tube
> component on Amazon which is just about perfect for the job.
>
> M
>
> On Sat., Nov. 11, 2023, 9:48 a.m. Bob Spidell, <bspidell at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I don't think I've seen one covered in cloth.
>>
>>
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>> On 11/11/2023 4:59 AM, S and T Miller wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know the specifications and/or source of the distributor low
>> tension cloth covered black wire lead? Interested in the gauge and type of
>> wire as original, because of the look and its exceptional flexibility.
>>
>> I do realize that there are a few sources for the leads, but I'd rather
>> have a length to keep on hand to make my own.
>> TY, Shawn
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 20:52:04 -0500
From: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
To: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
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"short of putting lard in"
-------------------------------
The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars' rears
to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.

On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

> I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly
> caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a
> process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the book'
> and it's a bit noisy  (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which isn't
> often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which seemed to
> help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a
> 'solution in a can.'
>
> My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs
> had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC, DWM
> sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.
>
>
> On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% Chrome
> Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.  Factory
> spec.
>
> Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!
>
> Best,
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:
>
> After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets
> being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that
> people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 3.66/1
> in my BN1.
> There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant
> to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with these?
>
> M
>
> On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?  I ask,
> because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
> replace it.
>
> John
> Hightown, VA
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 08:33:20 -0500
From: HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com>
To: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
Cc: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>, healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
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I thought sawdust was the preferred additive.

On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 10:43?PM Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
wrote:

> "short of putting lard in"
> -------------------------------
> The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars'
> rears to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly
>> caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a
>> process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the book'
>> and it's a bit noisy  (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which isn't
>> often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which seemed to
>> help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a
>> 'solution in a can.'
>>
>> My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs
>> had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC, DWM
>> sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.
>>
>>
>> On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% Chrome
>> Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.  Factory
>> spec.
>>
>> Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:
>>
>> After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets
>> being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that
>> people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 3.66/1
>> in my BN1.
>> There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant
>> to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with these?
>>
>> M
>>
>> On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?  I ask,
>> because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
>> replace it.
>>
>> John
>> Hightown, VA
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 13:45:35 -0000
From: <simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com>
To: "'Michael Oritt'" <michael.oritt at gmail.com>, "'Bob Spidell'"
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Cc: <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
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Women?s stockings were reputedly another favourite.



From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Oritt
Sent: 12 November 2023 01:52
To: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion



"short of putting lard in"

-------------------------------

The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars' rears to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.



On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net <mailto:bspidell at comcast.net> > wrote:

I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the book' and it's a bit noisy  (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which isn't often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which seemed to help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a 'solution in a can.'

My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC, DWM sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.



On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:

Michael,

For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% Chrome Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.  Factory spec.

Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!

Best,

Peter



On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:

After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 3.66/1 in my BN1.

There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with these?



M



On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?  I ask,
because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
replace it.

John
Hightown, VA
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 18:16:04 +0000
From: john spaur <jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net>
To: HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com>, Michael Oritt
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
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Many years ago I had a friend who said he used a mixture of banana peels and sawdust. I am not sure what the ratio  was but you could Stat with a 50/50 mix. ???

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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2023 5:33:20 AM
To: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion

I thought sawdust was the preferred additive.

On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 10:43?PM Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com<mailto:michael.oritt at gmail.com>> wrote:
"short of putting lard in"
-------------------------------
The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars' rears to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.

On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net<mailto:bspidell at comcast.net>> wrote:
I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the book' and it's a bit noisy  (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which isn't often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which seemed to help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a 'solution in a can.'

My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC, DWM sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.


On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:

Michael,

For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% Chrome Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.  Factory spec.

Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!

Best,

Peter


On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:

After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 3.66/1 in my BN1.
There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with these?

M

On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?  I ask,
because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
replace it.

John
Hightown, VA
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George,


It will work, but I don't think that it will last as long.


I bought some leads from Martin at the Distributor Doctor 
<https://www.distributordoctor.com/low_tension_connectors.htm> in the 
UK.? I believe British Car Specialists sells some of their parts.

Bob Haskell
Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar

On 11/12/23 19:47, george mcharris wrote:
> I just purchased one from Moss and they use a standard wire...It 
> should work ?? What say you ??
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> ?? 1. Re: Low tension wire (John Vrugtman)
> ?? 2. Re: Low tension wire (Michael Salter)
> ?? 3. Re: Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion (Michael Oritt)
> ?? 4. Re: Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion (HealeyRick)
> ?? 5. Re: Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
> ????? (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com)
> ?? 6. Re: Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion (john spaur)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 15:59:51 -0500
> From: John Vrugtman <javrugtman at htcnet.org>
> To: healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Low tension wire
> Message-ID: <36aac2e2-0966-4cf6-9b03-875c0e83e42e at htcnet.org>
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> *Now that's perfect example of thinking outside the box; shoe laces for
> ignition wire covers.*
>
> On 11/11/2023 10:19 AM, Michael Salter via Healeys wrote:
> > Bob, yes they actually do have a "braided" cloth insulation sleeve
> > over the braided copper wire originally.? I think the material is 
> cotton.
> > I would try using shoe laces. You may have to buy a few types to get
> > what you want but I found a tubular type of lace which has an inner
> > tube component on Amazon which is just about perfect for the job.
> >
> > M
> >
> > On Sat., Nov. 11, 2023, 9:48 a.m. Bob Spidell, <bspidell at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >???? I don't think I've seen one covered in cloth.
> >
> > 
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> <https://www.amazon.com/BENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing/dp/B0BGX937NC?th=1>
> >
> >
> > 
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> >
> >???? On 11/11/2023 4:59 AM, S and T Miller wrote:
> >>???? Does anyone know the specifications and/or source of the
> >>???? distributor low tension cloth covered black wire lead? Interested
> >>???? in the gauge and type of wire as original, because of the look
> >>???? and its exceptional flexibility.
> >>
> >>???? I do realize that there are a few sources for the leads, but I'd
> >>???? rather have a length to keep on hand to make my own.
> >>???? TY, Shawn
> >>
> >>???? The Millers
> >>
> >>???? "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is
> >>???? a test drive."
> >>
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> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 19:47:44 -0500
> From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
> To: "healeys at autox.team.net" <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Low tension wire
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> I must give credit where credit is due.
> The shoe laces idea is one I got from Andy Thorp in New Zealand.
>
> M
>
> On Sat., Nov. 11, 2023, 5:22 p.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> > *Now that's perfect example of thinking outside the box; shoe laces for
> > ignition wire covers.*
> >
> > On 11/11/2023 10:19 AM, Michael Salter via Healeys wrote:
> >
> > Bob, yes they actually do have a "braided" cloth insulation sleeve over
> > the braided copper wire originally.? I think the material is cotton.
> > I would try using shoe laces. You may have to buy a few types to get 
> what
> > you want but I found a tubular type of lace which has an inner tube
> > component on Amazon which is just about perfect for the job.
> >
> > M
> >
> > On Sat., Nov. 11, 2023, 9:48 a.m. Bob Spidell, <bspidell at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I don't think I've seen one covered in cloth.
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FBENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing%2Fdp%2FB0BGX937NC%3Fth%3D1&data=05%7C01%7C%7C692dd86501e9430d22d308dbe3d5667b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638354277935599543%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4CRiiLy5DQxlkTEwJ7XfbKUZc1dGPq4Enw4bdfnBCWo%3D&reserved=0 
> <https://www.amazon.com/BENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing/dp/B0BGX937NC?th=1>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FBENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing%2Fdp%2FB0BGX937NC%3Fth%3D1&data=05%7C01%7C%7C692dd86501e9430d22d308dbe3d5667b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638354277935599543%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4CRiiLy5DQxlkTEwJ7XfbKUZc1dGPq4Enw4bdfnBCWo%3D&reserved=0 
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> >>
> >> On 11/11/2023 4:59 AM, S and T Miller wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone know the specifications and/or source of the 
> distributor low
> >> tension cloth covered black wire lead? Interested in the gauge and 
> type of
> >> wire as original, because of the look and its exceptional flexibility.
> >>
> >> I do realize that there are a few sources for the leads, but I'd rather
> >> have a length to keep on hand to make my own.
> >> TY, Shawn
> >>
> >> The Millers
> >>
> >> "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test
> >> drive."
> >>
> >>
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> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 20:52:04 -0500
> From: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
> To: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
> Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
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> "short of putting lard in"
> -------------------------------
> The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars' 
> rears
> to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly
> > caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a
> > process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the 
> book'
> > and it's a bit noisy? (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which 
> isn't
> > often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which 
> seemed to
> > help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a
> > 'solution in a can.'
> >
> > My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs
> > had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. 
> IIRC, DWM
> > sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.
> >
> >
> > On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:
> >
> > Michael,
> >
> > For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% 
> Chrome
> > Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.? Factory
> > spec.
> >
> > Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:
> >
> > After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets
> > being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that
> > people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 
> 3.66/1
> > in my BN1.
> > There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant
> > to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with 
> these?
> >
> > M
> >
> > On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
> > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?? I ask,
> > because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
> > replace it.
> >
> > John
> > Hightown, VA
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 08:33:20 -0500
> From: HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com>
> To: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
> Cc: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>, healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
> Message-ID:
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> I thought sawdust was the preferred additive.
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 10:43?PM Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > "short of putting lard in"
> > -------------------------------
> > The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars'
> > rears to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are 
> mostly
> >> caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a
> >> process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by 
> the book'
> >> and it's a bit noisy? (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which 
> isn't
> >> often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which 
> seemed to
> >> help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a
> >> 'solution in a can.'
> >>
> >> My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early 
> Mustangs
> >> had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. 
> IIRC, DWM
> >> sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:
> >>
> >> Michael,
> >>
> >> For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% 
> Chrome
> >> Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.? Factory
> >> spec.
> >>
> >> Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:
> >>
> >> After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets
> >> being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that
> >> people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 
> 3.66/1
> >> in my BN1.
> >> There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are 
> meant
> >> to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with 
> these?
> >>
> >> M
> >>
> >> On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
> >> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?? I ask,
> >> because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
> >> replace it.
> >>
> >> John
> >> Hightown, VA
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 13:45:35 -0000
> From: <simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com>
> To: "'Michael Oritt'" <michael.oritt at gmail.com>, "'Bob Spidell'"
> <bspidell at comcast.net>
> Cc: <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
> Message-ID: <002d01da156e$84ec8590$8ec590b0$@alexarevel.plus.com>
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> Women?s stockings were reputedly another favourite.
>
>
>
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Oritt
> Sent: 12 November 2023 01:52
> To: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
> Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
>
>
>
> "short of putting lard in"
>
> -------------------------------
>
> The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars' 
> rears to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net 
> <mailto:bspidell at comcast.net <mailto:bspidell at comcast.net>> > wrote:
>
> I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are 
> mostly caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a 
> process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the 
> book' and it's a bit noisy? (it's only bothersome with the hood up, 
> which isn't often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 
> 75-140--which seemed to help a little but short of putting lard in I 
> don't think there's a 'solution in a can.'
>
> My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early 
> Mustangs had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on 
> occasion. IIRC, DWM sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.
>
>
>
> On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% 
> Chrome Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.? 
> Factory spec.
>
> Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!
>
> Best,
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:
>
> After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets 
> being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that 
> people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 
> 3.66/1 in my BN1.
>
> There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are 
> meant to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success 
> with these?
>
>
>
> M
>
>
>
> On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, 
> <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net 
> <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> > wrote:
>
> Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set? I ask,
> because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
> replace it.
>
> John
> Hightown, VA
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 18:16:04 +0000
> From: john spaur <jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net>
> To: HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com>, Michael Oritt
> <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
> Cc: "healeys at autox.team.net" <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
> Message-ID:
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> Many years ago I had a friend who said he used a mixture of banana 
> peels and sawdust. I am not sure what the ratio was but you could Stat 
> with a 50/50 mix. ???
>
> ________________________________
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of HealeyRick 
> <healeyrik at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2023 5:33:20 AM
> To: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
> Cc: healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
>
> I thought sawdust was the preferred additive.
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 10:43?PM Michael Oritt 
> <michael.oritt at gmail.com<mailto:michael.oritt at gmail.com>> wrote:
> "short of putting lard in"
> -------------------------------
> The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars' 
> rears to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell 
> <bspidell at comcast.net<mailto:bspidell at comcast.net>> wrote:
> I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are 
> mostly caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a 
> process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the 
> book' and it's a bit noisy? (it's only bothersome with the hood up, 
> which isn't often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 
> 75-140--which seemed to help a little but short of putting lard in I 
> don't think there's a 'solution in a can.'
>
> My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early 
> Mustangs had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on 
> occasion. IIRC, DWM sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.
>
>
> On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% 
> Chrome Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.? 
> Factory spec.
>
> Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!
>
> Best,
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:
>
> After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets 
> being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that 
> people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 
> 3.66/1 in my BN1.
> There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are 
> meant to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success 
> with these?
>
> M
>
> On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, 
> <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set? I ask,
> because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
> replace it.
>
> John
> Hightown, VA
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From warthodson at aol.com  Mon Nov 13 07:55:10 2023
From: warthodson at aol.com (warthodson at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 14:55:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
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 The best thing about this fix is trying to convince the ladies to take them off.Gary
    On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 08:44:16 AM CST, Simon Lachlan via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
Women?s stockings were reputedly another favourite.

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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Oritt
Sent: 12 November 2023 01:52
To: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion

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"short of putting lard in"

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The old trope was that Used Car lots would?put sawdust in their cars' rears to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.

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On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:


I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the book' and it's a bit noisy? (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which isn't often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which seemed to help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a 'solution in a can.'

My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC, DWM sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.



On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:


Michael,?

For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% Chrome Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.? Factory spec.

Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!

Best,

Peter

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On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:


After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 3.66/1 in my BN1. 

There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with these?

?

M

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On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:


Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?? I ask, 
because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to 
replace it.

John
Hightown, VA
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 07:59:46 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 09:59:46 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Low tension Wire
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There are actually 2 of those wires in most Lucas distributors.  1 connects
the points post on the breaker plate to the low tension terminal and the
other connects the breaker plate itself to the body of the distributor to
provide a reliable ground path.
These wires need to be very flexible as their ends move relative to
each other every time the vacuum advance capsule reacts to changes in
intake vacuum, which is often.
The conductors of the original type are made from braded strands of copper
that are about as thick as a human hair and allow the cable to flex readily
without suffering from metal fatigue and breaking, or restricting the
movement of the breaker plate.
I'll bet that Joe Lucas's boffins spent a very long time coming up with
exactly the right combination of conductor and insulator for the job.
Not a fan for trying to reinvent the wheel.

M

On Mon., Nov. 13, 2023, 1:10 a.m. george mcharris, <gmcharris at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> I just purchased one from Moss and they use a standard wire...It should
> work ?? What say you ??
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> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 15:59:51 -0500
> From: John Vrugtman <javrugtman at htcnet.org>
> To: healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Low tension wire
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> *Now that's perfect example of thinking outside the box; shoe laces for
> ignition wire covers.*
>
> On 11/11/2023 10:19 AM, Michael Salter via Healeys wrote:
> > Bob, yes they actually do have a "braided" cloth insulation sleeve
> > over the braided copper wire originally.? I think the material is cotton.
> > I would try using shoe laces. You may have to buy a few types to get
> > what you want but I found a tubular type of lace which has an inner
> > tube component on Amazon which is just about perfect for the job.
> >
> > M
> >
> > On Sat., Nov. 11, 2023, 9:48 a.m. Bob Spidell, <bspidell at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >     I don't think I've seen one covered in cloth.
> >
> >
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> >
> >     On 11/11/2023 4:59 AM, S and T Miller wrote:
> >>     Does anyone know the specifications and/or source of the
> >>     distributor low tension cloth covered black wire lead? Interested
> >>     in the gauge and type of wire as original, because of the look
> >>     and its exceptional flexibility.
> >>
> >>     I do realize that there are a few sources for the leads, but I'd
> >>     rather have a length to keep on hand to make my own.
> >>     TY, Shawn
> >>
> >>     The Millers
> >>
> >>     "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is
> >>     a test drive."
> >>
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> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 19:47:44 -0500
> From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
> To: "healeys at autox.team.net" <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Low tension wire
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> I must give credit where credit is due.
> The shoe laces idea is one I got from Andy Thorp in New Zealand.
>
> M
>
> On Sat., Nov. 11, 2023, 5:22 p.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> > *Now that's perfect example of thinking outside the box; shoe laces for
> > ignition wire covers.*
> >
> > On 11/11/2023 10:19 AM, Michael Salter via Healeys wrote:
> >
> > Bob, yes they actually do have a "braided" cloth insulation sleeve over
> > the braided copper wire originally.  I think the material is cotton.
> > I would try using shoe laces. You may have to buy a few types to get what
> > you want but I found a tubular type of lace which has an inner tube
> > component on Amazon which is just about perfect for the job.
> >
> > M
> >
> > On Sat., Nov. 11, 2023, 9:48 a.m. Bob Spidell, <bspidell at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I don't think I've seen one covered in cloth.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> <https://www.amazon.com/BENECREAT-Braided-Flexible-Grounding-Reducing/dp/B0BGX937NC?th=1>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >> On 11/11/2023 4:59 AM, S and T Miller wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone know the specifications and/or source of the distributor low
> >> tension cloth covered black wire lead? Interested in the gauge and type
> of
> >> wire as original, because of the look and its exceptional flexibility.
> >>
> >> I do realize that there are a few sources for the leads, but I'd rather
> >> have a length to keep on hand to make my own.
> >> TY, Shawn
> >>
> >> The Millers
> >>
> >> "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test
> >> drive."
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 20:52:04 -0500
> From: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
> To: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
> Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
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> "short of putting lard in"
> -------------------------------
> The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars' rears
> to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly
> > caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a
> > process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the
> book'
> > and it's a bit noisy  (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which isn't
> > often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which seemed
> to
> > help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a
> > 'solution in a can.'
> >
> > My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs
> > had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC,
> DWM
> > sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.
> >
> >
> > On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:
> >
> > Michael,
> >
> > For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% Chrome
> > Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.  Factory
> > spec.
> >
> > Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:
> >
> > After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets
> > being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that
> > people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 3.66/1
> > in my BN1.
> > There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant
> > to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with
> these?
> >
> > M
> >
> > On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
> > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?  I ask,
> > because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
> > replace it.
> >
> > John
> > Hightown, VA
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 08:33:20 -0500
> From: HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com>
> To: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
> Cc: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>, healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
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> I thought sawdust was the preferred additive.
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 10:43?PM Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > "short of putting lard in"
> > -------------------------------
> > The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars'
> > rears to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly
> >> caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a
> >> process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the
> book'
> >> and it's a bit noisy  (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which
> isn't
> >> often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which seemed
> to
> >> help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a
> >> 'solution in a can.'
> >>
> >> My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs
> >> had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC,
> DWM
> >> sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:
> >>
> >> Michael,
> >>
> >> For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15%
> Chrome
> >> Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.  Factory
> >> spec.
> >>
> >> Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:
> >>
> >> After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets
> >> being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that
> >> people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the
> 3.66/1
> >> in my BN1.
> >> There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant
> >> to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with
> these?
> >>
> >> M
> >>
> >> On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
> >> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?  I ask,
> >> because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
> >> replace it.
> >>
> >> John
> >> Hightown, VA
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 13:45:35 -0000
> From: <simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com>
> To: "'Michael Oritt'" <michael.oritt at gmail.com>, "'Bob Spidell'"
>         <bspidell at comcast.net>
> Cc: <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
> Message-ID: <002d01da156e$84ec8590$8ec590b0$@alexarevel.plus.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> Women?s stockings were reputedly another favourite.
>
>
>
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Oritt
> Sent: 12 November 2023 01:52
> To: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
> Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
>
>
>
> "short of putting lard in"
>
> -------------------------------
>
> The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars'
> rears to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net <
> mailto:bspidell at comcast.net <bspidell at comcast.net>> > wrote:
>
> I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly
> caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a
> process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the book'
> and it's a bit noisy  (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which isn't
> often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which seemed to
> help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a
> 'solution in a can.'
>
> My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs
> had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC, DWM
> sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.
>
>
>
> On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% Chrome
> Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.  Factory
> spec.
>
> Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!
>
> Best,
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:
>
> After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets
> being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that
> people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 3.66/1
> in my BN1.
>
> There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant
> to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with these?
>
>
>
> M
>
>
>
> On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
> healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net
> <healeys at autox.team.net>> > wrote:
>
> Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?  I ask,
> because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
> replace it.
>
> John
> Hightown, VA
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 18:16:04 +0000
> From: john spaur <jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net>
> To: HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com>, Michael Oritt
>         <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
> Cc: "healeys at autox.team.net" <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
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> Many years ago I had a friend who said he used a mixture of banana peels
> and sawdust. I am not sure what the ratio  was but you could Stat with a
> 50/50 mix. ???
>
> ________________________________
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of HealeyRick <
> healeyrik at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2023 5:33:20 AM
> To: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
> Cc: healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss $1300 3.5 ring and pinion
>
> I thought sawdust was the preferred additive.
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 10:43?PM Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com
> <mailto:michael.oritt at gmail.com>> wrote:
> "short of putting lard in"
> -------------------------------
> The old trope was that Used Car lots would put sawdust in their cars'
> rears to quiet them down--but I'm not recommending it.
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 9:42?AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net<mailto:
> bspidell at comcast.net>> wrote:
> I'm no hexpert, but from what I've seen/heard whiny rear-ends are mostly
> caused by improper installation or bad break-in--there is a
> process--although my dad and I installed a Lempert in my BJ8 'by the book'
> and it's a bit noisy  (it's only bothersome with the hood up, which isn't
> often). I've tried thicker, synthetic oil--Redline 75-140--which seemed to
> help a little but short of putting lard in I don't think there's a
> 'solution in a can.'
>
> My dad, who was a factory rep for Ford, told me many/most early Mustangs
> had noisy diffs, and I can hear my '19 Mustang GT's on occasion. IIRC, DWM
> sells a 3.54, which may very well be what Moss sells.
>
>
> On 11/10/2023 2:41 PM, Peter Svilans wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> For what its worth, my '75 Moto Guzzi 850 shaft drive requires 15% Chrome
> Moly added to the gear oil of the crown and pinion rear drive.  Factory
> spec.
>
> Years ago, my 1 liter bottle of MolySlip was $ 46.00 CDN !!
>
> Best,
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 2023-11-10 12:02 pm, Michael Salter wrote:
>
> After seeing the old British Path? movie showing ring and pinion sets
> being "run in" in a fine grinding paste slurry I'm not surprised that
> people find the newly made sets a little noisy, as I have with the 3.66/1
> in my BN1.
> There are various "mechanic-in-a-can" products out there which are meant
> to quiet down noisy gears. Wondering if anyone has had success with these?
>
> M
>
> On Fri., Nov. 10, 2023, 11:14 a.m. John Vrugtman via Healeys, <
> healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> Has anyone had experience with this rather expensive set?  I ask,
> because I have an older set from Limpert that is very noisy and want to
> replace it.
>
> John
> Hightown, VA
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From rct2bnc at aol.com  Mon Nov 13 20:43:33 2023
From: rct2bnc at aol.com (rct2bnc at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 03:43:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Low tension wire
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Message-ID: <504963134.1403625.1699933413618@mail.yahoo.com>

 S & T
I was told by one of our local Tucson British Car Club members that it is called "test-lead" wire. Extremely flexible 22 gauge stranded copper with a cloth cover. I have seen spools of it for sale overseas but not here.
Ben CohenBN1, BN7, BJ8
    On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 06:22:33 AM MST, S and T Miller <stmiller96 at hotmail.com> wrote:  
 
  Does anyone know the specifications and/or source of the distributor low tension cloth covered black wire lead? Interested in the gauge and type of wire as original, because of the look and its exceptional flexibility.??
I do realize that there are a few sources for the leads, but I'd rather have a length to keep on hand to make my own.?
TY, Shawn
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From roggrace at telus.net  Mon Nov 13 21:15:17 2023
From: roggrace at telus.net (Roger Grace)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 20:15:17 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Glycol in oil
Message-ID: <CALPtYiN8VYpkvp5fS_PzijO_tz=TmfD9F8i-94dGFia+V3n0JA@mail.gmail.com>

67 BJ8
Approx 15k mi on rebuilt engine by PO.
Recently detected water droplets and creamy oil residue inside valve cover
and near oil filler.
Pains as engine and car run so well ... grr
Did compression test and all OK at around 150 psi
Also had oil analysis done that confirmed glycol in oil. Interesting no
water found ... assume gets burnt off ?
Upon reflection realise had been losing some coolant. Have recently
installed a recovery reservoir and attributed the loss to air being
removed. Silly me.
So need some ideas how to proceed and if there is a likely culprit area
that others may have encountered ?
 Maybe start by re torqueing the head ?
Not sure how to retest though apart from another oil test.
Remove head ?
Thoughts and ideas please
rg
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From coudesluijs at chello.nl  Tue Nov 14 01:58:58 2023
From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 09:58:58 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] Glycol in oil
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Message-ID: <69c38b19-da3d-4a98-a381-8f3c534063ce@chello.nl>

Sounds like a head gasket, cracked cylinder head or an internal crack in 
the block. Possibly incorrectly torqued down head so start re-torquing 
may help but I am not very optimistic.
Kees Oudesluijs

Op 14-11-2023 om 05:15 schreef Roger Grace:
> 67 BJ8
> Approx 15k mi on rebuilt engine by PO.
> Recently detected water droplets and creamy oil residue inside valve 
> cover and near oil filler.
> Pains as engine and car run so well ... grr
> Did compression test and all OK at around 150 psi
> Also had oil analysis done that confirmed glycol in oil. Interesting 
> no water found ... assume gets burnt off ?
> Upon reflection realise had been losing some coolant. Have recently 
> installed a recovery reservoir and attributed the loss to air being 
> removed. Silly me.
> So need some ideas how to proceed and if there is a likely culprit 
> area? that others may have encountered ?
> ?Maybe start by re torqueing the head ?
> Not sure how to retest though apart from another oil test.
> Remove head ?
> Thoughts and ideas please
> rg
>

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From stmiller96 at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 14 07:22:36 2023
From: stmiller96 at hotmail.com (S and T Miller)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 14:22:36 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Low tension wire
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 <504963134.1403625.1699933413618@mail.yahoo.com>
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Thank you for that response. Doing some light digging on your response it sounds like it could be very similar to 50's era electric guitar wire. Seems like most state pre- tinned wire, so I wonder it that would make it stiffer than the original distributor lead wires. ?


The Millers

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Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 10:43 PM
To: healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>; S and T Miller <stmiller96 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Low tension wire

S & T

I was told by one of our local Tucson British Car Club members that it is called "test-lead" wire. Extremely flexible 22 gauge stranded copper with a cloth cover. I have seen spools of it for sale overseas but not here.

Ben Cohen
BN1, BN7, BJ8

On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 06:22:33 AM MST, S and T Miller <stmiller96 at hotmail.com> wrote:


Does anyone know the specifications and/or source of the distributor low tension cloth covered black wire lead? Interested in the gauge and type of wire as original, because of the look and its exceptional flexibility.

I do realize that there are a few sources for the leads, but I'd rather have a length to keep on hand to make my own.
TY, Shawn

The Millers

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From bspidell at comcast.net  Tue Nov 14 07:37:50 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 06:37:50 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Glycol in oil
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 <69c38b19-da3d-4a98-a381-8f3c534063ce@chello.nl>
Message-ID: <f72bd860-512e-45ae-b75f-994c0b5d0a16@comcast.net>

The blocks have areas with less metal between oil and coolant passages 
that are known to rust through. I don't know how much material, if any, 
'hot-tanking' removes, but there is likely some variance in the castings 
to begin with.

https://www.scparts.co.uk/sc_en/repair-kit-1172.html


On 11/14/2023 12:58 AM, Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys wrote:
>
> Sounds like a head gasket, cracked cylinder head or an internal crack 
> in the block. Possibly incorrectly torqued down head so start 
> re-torquing may help but I am not very optimistic.
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
> Op 14-11-2023 om 05:15 schreef Roger Grace:
>> 67 BJ8
>> Approx 15k mi on rebuilt engine by PO.
>> Recently detected water droplets and creamy oil residue inside valve 
>> cover and near oil filler.
>> Pains as engine and car run so well ... grr
>> Did compression test and all OK at around 150 psi
>> Also had oil analysis done that confirmed glycol in oil. Interesting 
>> no water found ... assume gets burnt off ?
>> Upon reflection realise had been losing some coolant. Have recently 
>> installed a recovery reservoir and attributed the loss to air being 
>> removed. Silly me.
>> So need some ideas how to proceed and if there is a likely culprit 
>> area? that others may have encountered ?
>> ?Maybe start by re torqueing the head ?
>> Not sure how to retest though apart from another oil test.
>> Remove head ?
>> Thoughts and ideas please
>> rg
>>
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From gmcharris at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 14 13:35:44 2023
From: gmcharris at hotmail.com (george mcharris)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 20:35:44 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Low Tension wire
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I looks like AH spares has the correct wire..I ordered it and returned the Moss wire..they had no clue as to what I was talking about.
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   1. Re: Low tension wire (rct2bnc at aol.com)
   2. Glycol in oil (Roger Grace)
   3. Re: Glycol in oil (Kees Oudesluijs)
   4. Re: Low tension wire (S and T Miller)
   5. Re: Glycol in oil (Bob Spidell)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 03:43:33 +0000 (UTC)
From: "rct2bnc at aol.com" <rct2bnc at aol.com>
To: "healeys at autox.team.net" <healeys at autox.team.net>,  S and T Miller
        <stmiller96 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Low tension wire
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 S & T
I was told by one of our local Tucson British Car Club members that it is called "test-lead" wire. Extremely flexible 22 gauge stranded copper with a cloth cover. I have seen spools of it for sale overseas but not here.
Ben CohenBN1, BN7, BJ8
    On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 06:22:33 AM MST, S and T Miller <stmiller96 at hotmail.com> wrote:

  Does anyone know the specifications and/or source of the distributor low tension cloth covered black wire lead? Interested in the gauge and type of wire as original, because of the look and its exceptional flexibility.??
I do realize that there are a few sources for the leads, but I'd rather have a length to keep on hand to make my own.?
TY, Shawn
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 20:15:17 -0800
From: Roger Grace <roggrace at telus.net>
To: Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Glycol in oil
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67 BJ8
Approx 15k mi on rebuilt engine by PO.
Recently detected water droplets and creamy oil residue inside valve cover
and near oil filler.
Pains as engine and car run so well ... grr
Did compression test and all OK at around 150 psi
Also had oil analysis done that confirmed glycol in oil. Interesting no
water found ... assume gets burnt off ?
Upon reflection realise had been losing some coolant. Have recently
installed a recovery reservoir and attributed the loss to air being
removed. Silly me.
So need some ideas how to proceed and if there is a likely culprit area
that others may have encountered ?
 Maybe start by re torqueing the head ?
Not sure how to retest though apart from another oil test.
Remove head ?
Thoughts and ideas please
rg
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 09:58:58 +0100
From: Kees Oudesluijs <coudesluijs at chello.nl>
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Glycol in oil
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Sounds like a head gasket, cracked cylinder head or an internal crack in
the block. Possibly incorrectly torqued down head so start re-torquing
may help but I am not very optimistic.
Kees Oudesluijs

Op 14-11-2023 om 05:15 schreef Roger Grace:
> 67 BJ8
> Approx 15k mi on rebuilt engine by PO.
> Recently detected water droplets and creamy oil residue inside valve
> cover and near oil filler.
> Pains as engine and car run so well ... grr
> Did compression test and all OK at around 150 psi
> Also had oil analysis done that confirmed glycol in oil. Interesting
> no water found ... assume gets burnt off ?
> Upon reflection realise had been losing some coolant. Have recently
> installed a recovery reservoir and attributed the loss to air being
> removed. Silly me.
> So need some ideas how to proceed and if there is a likely culprit
> area? that others may have encountered ?
> ?Maybe start by re torqueing the head ?
> Not sure how to retest though apart from another oil test.
> Remove head ?
> Thoughts and ideas please
> rg
>

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 14:22:36 +0000
From: S and T Miller <stmiller96 at hotmail.com>
To: "rct2bnc at aol.com" <rct2bnc at aol.com>, "healeys at autox.team.net"
        <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Low tension wire
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Thank you for that response. Doing some light digging on your response it sounds like it could be very similar to 50's era electric guitar wire. Seems like most state pre- tinned wire, so I wonder it that would make it stiffer than the original distributor lead wires. ?


The Millers

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From: rct2bnc at aol.com <rct2bnc at aol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 10:43 PM
To: healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>; S and T Miller <stmiller96 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Low tension wire

S & T

I was told by one of our local Tucson British Car Club members that it is called "test-lead" wire. Extremely flexible 22 gauge stranded copper with a cloth cover. I have seen spools of it for sale overseas but not here.

Ben Cohen
BN1, BN7, BJ8

On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 06:22:33 AM MST, S and T Miller <stmiller96 at hotmail.com> wrote:


Does anyone know the specifications and/or source of the distributor low tension cloth covered black wire lead? Interested in the gauge and type of wire as original, because of the look and its exceptional flexibility.

I do realize that there are a few sources for the leads, but I'd rather have a length to keep on hand to make my own.
TY, Shawn

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 06:37:50 -0800
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Glycol in oil
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The blocks have areas with less metal between oil and coolant passages
that are known to rust through. I don't know how much material, if any,
'hot-tanking' removes, but there is likely some variance in the castings
to begin with.

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On 11/14/2023 12:58 AM, Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys wrote:
>
> Sounds like a head gasket, cracked cylinder head or an internal crack
> in the block. Possibly incorrectly torqued down head so start
> re-torquing may help but I am not very optimistic.
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
> Op 14-11-2023 om 05:15 schreef Roger Grace:
>> 67 BJ8
>> Approx 15k mi on rebuilt engine by PO.
>> Recently detected water droplets and creamy oil residue inside valve
>> cover and near oil filler.
>> Pains as engine and car run so well ... grr
>> Did compression test and all OK at around 150 psi
>> Also had oil analysis done that confirmed glycol in oil. Interesting
>> no water found ... assume gets burnt off ?
>> Upon reflection realise had been losing some coolant. Have recently
>> installed a recovery reservoir and attributed the loss to air being
>> removed. Silly me.
>> So need some ideas how to proceed and if there is a likely culprit
>> area? that others may have encountered ?
>> ?Maybe start by re torqueing the head ?
>> Not sure how to retest though apart from another oil test.
>> Remove head ?
>> Thoughts and ideas please
>> rg
>>
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From emmgeeteecee at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Nov 16 17:37:15 2023
From: emmgeeteecee at yahoo.co.uk (David Lodge)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 00:37:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Glycol in oil
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 I'm with Kees.? Head gasket.

    On Tuesday, 14 November 2023 at 07:28:48 GMT-8, Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:  
 
  The blocks have areas with less metal between oil and coolant passages that are known to rust through. I don't know how much material, if any, 'hot-tanking' removes, but there is likely some variance in the castings to begin with. 
 
 https://www.scparts.co.uk/sc_en/repair-kit-1172.html
 
 
 On 11/14/2023 12:58 AM, Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys wrote:
  
 

Sounds like a head gasket, cracked cylinder head or an internal crack in the block. Possibly incorrectly torqued down head so start re-torquing may help but I am not very optimistic.
 Kees Oudesluijs
 
 Op 14-11-2023 om 05:15 schreef Roger Grace:
  
 
67 BJ8 Approx 15k mi on rebuilt engine by PO. Recently detected water droplets and creamy oil residue inside valve cover and near oil filler. Pains as engine and car run so well ... grr Did compression test and all OK at around 150 psi Also had oil analysis done that confirmed glycol in oil. Interesting no water found ... assume gets burnt off ? Upon reflection realise had been losing some coolant. Have recently installed a recovery reservoir and attributed the loss to air being removed. Silly me. So need some ideas how to proceed and if there is a likely culprit area? that others may have encountered ? ?Maybe start by re torqueing the head ? Not sure how to retest though apart from another oil test. Remove head ? Thoughts and ideas please rg 
    
 
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From gmcharris at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 17 13:30:21 2023
From: gmcharris at hotmail.com (george mcharris)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 20:30:21 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Glycol in oil
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Check the valve cover after everything is heated up well...Possible "milk" in the cover due to condensation when engine is not hot enuf to boil off any water vapors.???
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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 00:37:15 +0000 (UTC)
From: David Lodge <emmgeeteecee at yahoo.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Glycol in oil
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 I'm with Kees.? Head gasket.

    On Tuesday, 14 November 2023 at 07:28:48 GMT-8, Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

  The blocks have areas with less metal between oil and coolant passages that are known to rust through. I don't know how much material, if any, 'hot-tanking' removes, but there is likely some variance in the castings to begin with.

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 On 11/14/2023 12:58 AM, Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys wrote:



Sounds like a head gasket, cracked cylinder head or an internal crack in the block. Possibly incorrectly torqued down head so start re-torquing may help but I am not very optimistic.
 Kees Oudesluijs

 Op 14-11-2023 om 05:15 schreef Roger Grace:


67 BJ8 Approx 15k mi on rebuilt engine by PO. Recently detected water droplets and creamy oil residue inside valve cover and near oil filler. Pains as engine and car run so well ... grr Did compression test and all OK at around 150 psi Also had oil analysis done that confirmed glycol in oil. Interesting no water found ... assume gets burnt off ? Upon reflection realise had been losing some coolant. Have recently installed a recovery reservoir and attributed the loss to air being removed. Silly me. So need some ideas how to proceed and if there is a likely culprit area? that others may have encountered ? ?Maybe start by re torqueing the head ? Not sure how to retest though apart from another oil test. Remove head ? Thoughts and ideas please rg


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From waschu2 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 17 19:13:01 2023
From: waschu2 at gmail.com (Wayne Schultz)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 21:13:01 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Glycol in oil (David Lodge)
Message-ID: <CAKjtSfj=3X3WiBFRWAMECDhcghiwVLaUJq2OSuTt9k7kcUKFzQ@mail.gmail.com>

My path to locate the leak is to pressurize the cooling system to about
        14 PSI (1 BAR) and see if it leaks down. I use a cooling system
pressure tester for this. I then use a small endoscope inspection camera to
inspect all of the bores with the plugs removed looking for coolant leaking
into the cylinders. You might not see coolant  in the cylinder ,but if one
piston is very clean compared to others that is suspect. If that is
inconclusive I then drop the oil pan looking for coolant drips into the oil
pan area. The last hard to find leak was behind the middle tappet cover.
The raised boss in the block  was porius and only leaked into the oil pan
area when the engine was cold.  When the engine was hot and expanded there
was no leak. The next day when cold it would drip several  drips per hour.
Both of these inspections are less invasive than pulling the head, which is
my final inspection looking for the source. good luck.
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Fri Nov 17 21:49:43 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 20:49:43 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Glycol in oil
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I used this to check for a head gasket leak on my Ranger:

https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2STNGV8IUBTZF&keywords=combustion+leak+tester&qid=1700282900&s=automotive&sprefix=combus%2Cautomotive%2C165&sr=1-4

On 11/17/2023 12:30 PM, george mcharris wrote:
> Check the valve cover after everything is heated up well...Possible 
> "milk" in the cover due to condensation when engine is not hot enuf to 
> boil off any water vapors.???
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Fri Nov 17 22:06:05 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 00:06:05 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Glycol in oil (David Lodge)
In-Reply-To: <CAKjtSfj=3X3WiBFRWAMECDhcghiwVLaUJq2OSuTt9k7kcUKFzQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Very interesting Wayne, I  test for a head gasket leak opposite way.
Remove the radiator cap and fill the radiator (preferably with water only
to prevent antifreeze spilling everywhere).
Remove the rocker shaft (usually easier than trying to back off the tappet
adjusters) then install an adaptor a spark plug hole and attach an air line
(120 p.s.i.) to the adaptor. When the air pressure is applied to the
offending cylinder the radiator water level rises until bubbles start
appearing.
This test however won't really identify
Roger's issue because he has coolant leaking into the oil, a leak which is
much harder to track down.

M

On Fri., Nov. 17, 2023, 9:24 p.m. Wayne Schultz via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> My path to locate the leak is to pressurize the cooling system to about
>         14 PSI (1 BAR) and see if it leaks down. I use a cooling system
> pressure tester for this. I then use a small endoscope inspection camera to
> inspect all of the bores with the plugs removed looking for coolant leaking
> into the cylinders. You might not see coolant  in the cylinder ,but if one
> piston is very clean compared to others that is suspect. If that is
> inconclusive I then drop the oil pan looking for coolant drips into the oil
> pan area. The last hard to find leak was behind the middle tappet cover.
> The raised boss in the block  was porius and only leaked into the oil pan
> area when the engine was cold.  When the engine was hot and expanded there
> was no leak. The next day when cold it would drip several  drips per hour.
> Both of these inspections are less invasive than pulling the head, which is
> my final inspection looking for the source. good luck.
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From stmiller96 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 18 06:57:54 2023
From: stmiller96 at hotmail.com (S and T Miller)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 13:57:54 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] 100 "M" on BAT question
Message-ID: <PH7P221MB100776A912D1A147B1348F48D4B6A@PH7P221MB1007.NAMP221.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I've become interested in the latest "M" offered up on BAT the appears to be on a replacement BN1 chassis. There could be soooo many discussion points, but I'm interested to see if anyone knows when (car # point) the front inner fenders lost the pressed stiffening detail? My April 54' BN1 has them, and my May 56' doesn't.  Possible for a "M" to have them from the factory?

I can't seem to find any info in my concours guidelines or any other resource publications I own.
TIA, Shawn

The Millers

"Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test drive."
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From cnaarndt at gmail.com  Sat Nov 18 09:21:26 2023
From: cnaarndt at gmail.com (Curtis Arndt)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 08:21:26 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] 100 "M" on BAT question
In-Reply-To: <PH7P221MB100776A912D1A147B1348F48D4B6A@PH7P221MB1007.NAMP221.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <PH7P221MB100776A912D1A147B1348F48D4B6A@PH7P221MB1007.NAMP221.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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This is documented in an article I submitted to the Concours Registry some
years ago but was summarily rejected as not being worthy of publication.*
"Austin Healey BN1/2 Quick Reference Concours Chart of Production Changes
by Chassis, Engine and Body Numbers."*

As such, I've attached a pdf copy.

As for your question, my research indicates that the changeover took place
around Oct. to Nov. 1955, early in BN2 production. See the photo in my
article referencing... *BN2 no. 13340 w/out front inner fender stiffening
ridges.*

Cheers,

Curt Arndt
AH Concours Registry

On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 6:32?AM S and T Miller via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I've become interested in the latest "M" offered up on BAT the appears to
> be on a replacement BN1 chassis. There could be soooo many discussion
> points, but I'm interested to see if anyone knows when (car # point) the
> front inner fenders lost the pressed stiffening detail? My April 54' BN1
> has them, and my May 56' doesn't.  Possible for a "M" to have them from the
> factory?
>
> I can't seem to find any info in my concours guidelines or any other
> resource publications I own.
> TIA, Shawn
>
> The Millers
>
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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Mon Nov 20 15:31:14 2023
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2023 15:31:14 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] BJ8 chassis drawings
Message-ID: <92efc2eb-7b0b-4a13-adba-d16d9a56f628@porterscustom.com>

Gents, is there a source for such drawings and where should I search?? 
Can only find earl and up to BJ7's..

DaveP

-- 
Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM. 87107 ph 505-352-1378  My World go here: WWW.PORTERBIKES.COM/


From p.cquinn at outlook.com  Tue Nov 21 14:03:48 2023
From: p.cquinn at outlook.com (Patrick and Caroline Quinn)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 21:03:48 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] A Riveting Question
In-Reply-To: <OSQPR01MB6430179B0D79A387391DCB288CBBA@OSQPR01MB6430.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
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Greetings

A riveting question.

I assume that everyone is familiar with the rubber buffers that are affixed with copper rivets and flat washers to the front shroud openings on all Big Healeys.

The big and riveting question is that once installed, are the rivet heads on the engine side of the buffer, or on the other side facing the outside of the car.

Thank you

Patrick Quinn
Blue Mountains, Australia
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Tue Nov 21 14:20:12 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 16:20:12 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] A Riveting Question
In-Reply-To: <OSQPR01MB643061B57370D3DAD40A86AF8CBBA@OSQPR01MB6430.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <OSQPR01MB6430179B0D79A387391DCB288CBBA@OSQPR01MB6430.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
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Message-ID: <CAB3i7LJL5wZHevB1aLnStGxpWaMf4187wByhnReR_+UuufxRhg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Pat, The split rivets are installed with the head and washer towards the
engine so that the "legs" through the alumini*U*m of the shroud and hidden
under the other side of the buffer.

M

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 4:08?PM Patrick and Caroline Quinn via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Greetings
>
>
>
> A riveting question.
>
>
>
> I assume that everyone is familiar with the rubber buffers that are
> affixed with copper rivets and flat washers to the front shroud openings on
> all Big Healeys.
>
>
>
> The big and riveting question is that once installed, are the rivet heads
> on the engine side of the buffer, or on the other side facing the outside
> of the car.
>
>
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
> Patrick Quinn
>
> Blue Mountains, Australia
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From p.cquinn at outlook.com  Tue Nov 21 14:23:59 2023
From: p.cquinn at outlook.com (Patrick and Caroline Quinn)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 21:23:59 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] A Riveting Question
In-Reply-To: <CAB3i7LJL5wZHevB1aLnStGxpWaMf4187wByhnReR_+UuufxRhg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <OSQPR01MB6430179B0D79A387391DCB288CBBA@OSQPR01MB6430.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
 <OSQPR01MB643061B57370D3DAD40A86AF8CBBA@OSQPR01MB6430.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
 <CAB3i7LJL5wZHevB1aLnStGxpWaMf4187wByhnReR_+UuufxRhg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OSQPR01MB64307268B33096F2CC9A998C8CBBA@OSQPR01MB6430.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>

Wonderful Mike

Many thanks.

Patrick Quinn

From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 8:20 AM
To: Patrick and Caroline Quinn <p.cquinn at outlook.com>
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] A Riveting Question

Hi Pat, The split rivets are installed with the head and washer towards the engine so that the "legs" through the aluminiUm of the shroud and hidden under the other side of the buffer.

M

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 4:08?PM Patrick and Caroline Quinn via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Greetings

A riveting question.

I assume that everyone is familiar with the rubber buffers that are affixed with copper rivets and flat washers to the front shroud openings on all Big Healeys.

The big and riveting question is that once installed, are the rivet heads on the engine side of the buffer, or on the other side facing the outside of the car.

Thank you

Patrick Quinn
Blue Mountains, Australia
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From vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 21 15:31:16 2023
From: vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com (Jean Caron)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 22:31:16 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] A Riveting Question
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They are, when installed, on the engine side with the rivet going through the first lip of the buffer only and the legs of the rivet being covered  by the second lip.

Jean

Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada?s largest network.
________________________________
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Patrick and Caroline Quinn via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 3:03:48 PM
To: healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] A Riveting Question


Greetings



A riveting question.



I assume that everyone is familiar with the rubber buffers that are affixed with copper rivets and flat washers to the front shroud openings on all Big Healeys.



The big and riveting question is that once installed, are the rivet heads on the engine side of the buffer, or on the other side facing the outside of the car.



Thank you



Patrick Quinn

Blue Mountains, Australia
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Mon Nov 27 13:14:36 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 15:14:36 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Steering box Belleville springs
Message-ID: <CAB3i7L+yrwkeTmFSV_86xz37CLmmk0=pCMCuLyDFG=sreD712Q@mail.gmail.com>

Over the years I have rebuilt numerous Healey steering boxes. Other than
the very early versions all these boxes have 6 Belleville washers (springs)
on the rocker shaft which bear onto the case and provide upward pressure on
the shaft which is intended, I believe, to prevent rattles from the box.
I have always installed these as 3 pairs with their open ends facing each
other which has always worked satisfactorily for me however, I recently
disassembled what I believe to be a BJ8 steering box which had never
previously been disassembled and found all the washers (springs) nested
together with the "open" end upward.
I have searched through all my available literature and can find no
information as to how these should be installed.
Does anyone know how these are meant to be and perhaps have supporting
documentation?

Michael S
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From rchaskell at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 27 14:05:16 2023
From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 16:05:16 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Steering box Belleville springs
In-Reply-To: <CAB3i7L+yrwkeTmFSV_86xz37CLmmk0=pCMCuLyDFG=sreD712Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB3i7L+yrwkeTmFSV_86xz37CLmmk0=pCMCuLyDFG=sreD712Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eab2f1a8-9cdd-4d06-91cb-ee8418c342e5@earthlink.net>

AH Spares video of assembling a steering box: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc6QUbgCrZo

I can't tell that there are 2 or 3 pair of washers in their video.? But 
they're not nested together.

Bob Haskell
Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar

On 11/27/23 15:14, Michael Salter wrote:
> Over the years I have rebuilt numerous Healey steering boxes. Other 
> than the very early versions all these boxes have 6 Belleville washers 
> (springs) on the rocker shaft which bear onto the case and provide 
> upward pressure on the shaft which is intended, I believe, to prevent 
> rattles from the box.
> I have always installed these as 3 pairs with their open ends facing 
> each other which has always worked satisfactorily for me however, I 
> recently disassembled what I believe to be a BJ8 steering box which 
> had never previously been disassembled and found all the washers 
> (springs) nested together with the "open" end upward.
> I have searched through all my available literature and can find no 
> information as to how these should be installed.
> Does anyone know how these are meant to be and perhaps have supporting 
> documentation?
>
> Michael S
>
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Mon Nov 27 18:16:04 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 17:16:04 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Steering box Belleville springs
In-Reply-To: <eab2f1a8-9cdd-4d06-91cb-ee8418c342e5@earthlink.net>
References: <CAB3i7L+yrwkeTmFSV_86xz37CLmmk0=pCMCuLyDFG=sreD712Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Maybe some help ...

https://americanbelleville.com/blog/how-to-stack-belleville-washers/

On 11/27/2023 1:05 PM, Bob Haskell wrote:
>
> AH Spares video of assembling a steering box: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc6QUbgCrZo
>
> I can't tell that there are 2 or 3 pair of washers in their video.? 
> But they're not nested together.
>
> Bob Haskell
> Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar
> On 11/27/23 15:14, Michael Salter wrote:
>> Over the years I have rebuilt numerous Healey steering boxes. Other 
>> than the very early versions all these boxes have 6 Belleville 
>> washers (springs) on the rocker shaft which bear onto the case and 
>> provide upward pressure on the shaft which is intended, I believe, to 
>> prevent rattles from the box.
>> I have always installed these as 3 pairs with their open ends facing 
>> each other which has always worked satisfactorily for me however, I 
>> recently disassembled what I believe to be a BJ8 steering box which 
>> had never previously been disassembled and found all the washers 
>> (springs) nested together with the "open" end upward.
>> I have searched through all my available literature and can find no 
>> information as to how these should be installed.
>> Does anyone know how these are meant to be and perhaps have 
>> supporting documentation?
>>
>> Michael S
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Nethttp://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Suggested annual donation  $12.75
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