From healey.nut at gmail.com Mon May 1 19:06:25 2023 From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist) Date: Tue, 2 May 2023 09:06:25 +0800 Subject: [Healeys] FW: Photos of new BJ8 rear bumper license plate position incorrectly In-Reply-To: <006e01d97b81$4e57b9f0$eb072dd0$@gmail.com> References: <37EA6ED5-8554-48E0-815D-9677BFA7F89D@gmail.com> <006e01d97b81$4e57b9f0$eb072dd0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yep, just checked my original factory bumper and it is like your first picture. The one you have works okay for the US plate set up, but it's no good for UK style mounting because it would mean the bumper would have to be pulled out 1/2" so that the license plate light would clear the plate on the shroud. On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 12:53?AM wrote: > I recently purchase a new rear bumper for my 67 BJ8 because it costs over > $1,000 to have it re-chromed. When installing with the license plate > assembly attached, I noticed that it was tilted downward. Immediately I > looked at the position of the brackets in the inside of the older bumper > and > noticed they were positioned close to the dent line whereas on the new > bumper they were 1/2 inch away from the dent line, hence the tilt of the > bracket. The problem can be fixed by my friend who has the machine shop by > taking the bolt holes in the bracket and cutting a 1/2-inch slot so the > plate will roll up straight. > > When I mention the problem to the supplier's sales manager, he responded > that he went into the warehouse and all in stock have the bolt brackets in > the same place as I described. They have been making these bumpers for > years and no one has ever mentioned the brackets are 1/2 inch off from the > original bumpers. So, we both wonder, have any of you had the same > experience? Note the pictures above starting with the old bumper. > > Bob Begani > 67 BJ8 > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Wed May 3 12:22:38 2023 From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com) Date: Wed, 3 May 2023 19:22:38 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Message-ID: <000001d97dec$3ebe6800$bc3b3800$@alexarevel.plus.com> I run my MkII BT7 on NGK BP6ES which were recommended by some of the wise ones on this list. The car has a "Sports" coil and a 123Ignition distributor. DW fast road cam.etc Now, talking of "recommended", the rolling road guys told me to set the plugs at 0.028" and pooh-poohed anything bigger when I suggested that I'd heard of much greater gaps with my approximate setup. So, I went with 0.028. The other day, I decided to experiment and set my spare set at 0.032". Same NGKs, no mileage on them..decent plugs. Anyhow, it made a very surprising difference. All round performance is much enhanced. Despite it's 3:54 diff and 28% OD, it was never sluggish on our local hills. But now it fairly zooms up them. To be frank, all a bit of a surprise. Not boasting.just putting that out there in case anyone else is thinking of going up a few thou... When I asked about gaps a few years back, some of the suggestions were near 0.040". Surely that a bit much? Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josef-eckert at t-online.de Wed May 3 13:55:39 2023 From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de) Date: Wed, 3 May 2023 21:55:39 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Healeys] Spark plug gap In-Reply-To: <000001d97dec$3ebe6800$bc3b3800$@alexarevel.plus.com> References: <000001d97dec$3ebe6800$bc3b3800$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: <1683143739797.3398822.a14248bfe188de5976f98f018d4aa49836355f5e@spica.telekom.de> Spark plugs are designed and tested to be used with the gap given by the producer of the spark plug. When you widen the gap the plug gets hotter as it is designed for and the electrode can melt or wear very fast. Its a very short win you gain modifying them. I never understand why people think they are better engineers and know better than the designers of the system they use. Josef -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-03T21:39:57+0200 Von: "Simon Lachlan via Healeys" An: "'Healeys'" I run my MkII BT7 on NGK BP6ES which were recommended by some of the wise ones on this list. The car has a ?Sports? coil and a 123Ignition distributor. DW fast road cam?etc Now, talking of ?recommended?, the rolling road guys told me to set the plugs at 0.028? and pooh-poohed anything bigger when I suggested that I?d heard of much greater gaps with my approximate setup. So, I went with 0.028. The other day, I decided to experiment and set my spare set at 0.032?. Same NGKs, no mileage on them..decent plugs. Anyhow, it made a very surprising difference. All round performance is much enhanced. Despite it?s 3:54 diff and 28% OD, it was never sluggish on our local hills. But now it fairly zooms up them. To be frank, all a bit of a surprise. Not boasting?just putting that out there in case anyone else is thinking of going up a few thou?.. When I asked about gaps a few years back, some of the suggestions were near 0.040?. Surely that a bit much? Simon ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healey.nut at gmail.com Wed May 3 18:48:29 2023 From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist) Date: Thu, 4 May 2023 08:48:29 +0800 Subject: [Healeys] Spark plug gap In-Reply-To: <1683143739797.3398822.a14248bfe188de5976f98f018d4aa49836355f5e@spica.telekom.de> References: <000001d97dec$3ebe6800$bc3b3800$@alexarevel.plus.com> <1683143739797.3398822.a14248bfe188de5976f98f018d4aa49836355f5e@spica.telekom.de> Message-ID: But if the modern plug is designed for a larger gap, why not use it? On Thu, 4 May 2023 at 5:15 AM, josef-eckert--- via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Spark plugs are designed and tested to be used with the gap given by the > producer of the spark plug. > > When you widen the gap the plug gets hotter as it is designed for and the > electrode can melt or wear very fast. > > Its a very short win you gain modifying them. > > I never understand why people think they are better engineers and know > better than the designers of the system they use. > > > > Josef > > > > > > > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: [Healeys] Spark plug gap > > Datum: 2023-05-03T21:39:57+0200 > > Von: "Simon Lachlan via Healeys" > > An: "'Healeys'" > > > > > > > > I run my MkII BT7 on NGK BP6ES which were recommended by some of the wise > ones on this list. > > The car has a ?Sports? coil and a 123Ignition distributor. DW fast road > cam?etc > > Now, talking of ?recommended?, the rolling road guys told me to set the > plugs at 0.028? and pooh-poohed anything bigger when I suggested that I?d > heard of much greater gaps with my approximate setup. > > So, I went with 0.028. > > The other day, I decided to experiment and set my spare set at 0.032?. > Same NGKs, no mileage on them..decent plugs. Anyhow, it made a very > surprising difference. All round performance is much enhanced. > > Despite it?s 3:54 diff and 28% OD, it was never sluggish on our local > hills. But now it fairly zooms up them. > > To be frank, all a bit of a surprise. > > Not boasting?just putting that out there in case anyone else is thinking > of going up a few thou?.. > > When I asked about gaps a few years back, some of the suggestions were > near 0.040?. Surely that a bit much? > > Simon > ? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josef-eckert at t-online.de Thu May 4 00:06:14 2023 From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de) Date: Thu, 4 May 2023 08:06:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Healeys] Spark plug gap In-Reply-To: <000e01d97e0b$948451e0$bd8cf5a0$@alexarevel.plus.com> References: <000001d97dec$3ebe6800$bc3b3800$@alexarevel.plus.com> <1683143739797.3398822.a14248bfe188de5976f98f018d4aa49836355f5e@spica.telekom.de> <000e01d97e0b$948451e0$bd8cf5a0$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: <1683180374184.3438755.d7091099a99773540ea52bfc82f6e724c4dc2437@spica.telekom.de> For me, i prefer Champion plugs plugs to NGK, but that?s a matter of taste. I think both, Champion and NGK, are of similar quality. Matter of taste, as I wrote. But NOT the car manufacturer determines the plug gap, its the plug manufacturer. Definitely the car manufacturer takes this for his specs in the workshop manual. There is to much hype about plugs anyway. I am working as a professional, Elecrtonics and Elecrtrcian engineer, at a big classic car parts supplier here in Europe and I never go away from the given plug gap as set by the plug manufacturer. Austin-Healey engines are not high tech, they are tractor engines and can take a lot of misfit, but anyway BMC knew at the time what?s best to do with them, even its printed 60 or 70 years ago. Some people try to adjust the fuel mixture with a CO-tester. You can do that, but it doesn?t give best results for road use, especially in hotter climates and high above sea level. When you are very good in engine engineering and have all the tools you can try to find some more horsepower in your engine, but you always pay that with some more heat produced, which is not at all good for our old BMC engines. Josef -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: RE: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-04T00:06:58+0200 Von: "simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com" An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" You may be right. Not sure. Actually I thought that the gap was determined by the car?s manufacturer ie one could expect to find the same plug in two different cars and to find that the recommended gap was not the same for each car. Likewise, the BMC manual suggests Champion plugs at 0.024? to 0.026? and that was some 60+ years ago. I?ve always been told that Champion plugs aren?t the best in the world and I?m sure that a modern NGK can stand a little more heat than the Champions that were around 60 years ago. Anyhow, I?ll keep an eye on them. I?m a pretty tame driver so there won?t be undue stress under the bonnet. Simon From: josef-eckert at t-online.de Sent: 03 May 2023 20:56 To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com; healeys at autox.team.net Subject: AW: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Spark plugs are designed and tested to be used with the gap given by the producer of the spark plug. When you widen the gap the plug gets hotter as it is designed for and the electrode can melt or wear very fast. Its a very short win you gain modifying them. I never understand why people think they are better engineers and know better than the designers of the system they use. Josef -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-03T21:39:57+0200 Von: "Simon Lachlan via Healeys" > An: "'Healeys'" > I run my MkII BT7 on NGK BP6ES which were recommended by some of the wise ones on this list. The car has a ?Sports? coil and a 123Ignition distributor. DW fast road cam?etc Now, talking of ?recommended?, the rolling road guys told me to set the plugs at 0.028? and pooh-poohed anything bigger when I suggested that I?d heard of much greater gaps with my approximate setup. So, I went with 0.028. The other day, I decided to experiment and set my spare set at 0.032?. Same NGKs, no mileage on them..decent plugs. Anyhow, it made a very surprising difference. All round performance is much enhanced. Despite it?s 3:54 diff and 28% OD, it was never sluggish on our local hills. But now it fairly zooms up them. To be frank, all a bit of a surprise. Not boasting?just putting that out there in case anyone else is thinking of going up a few thou?.. When I asked about gaps a few years back, some of the suggestions were near 0.040?. Surely that a bit much? Simon ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josef-eckert at t-online.de Thu May 4 05:43:38 2023 From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de) Date: Thu, 4 May 2023 13:43:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Healeys] Spark plug gap In-Reply-To: <000001d97e75$8e7c6250$ab7526f0$@alexarevel.plus.com> References: <000001d97dec$3ebe6800$bc3b3800$@alexarevel.plus.com> <1683143739797.3398822.a14248bfe188de5976f98f018d4aa49836355f5e@spica.telekom.de> <000e01d97e0b$948451e0$bd8cf5a0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <1683180374184.3438755.d7091099a99773540ea52bfc82f6e724c4dc2437@spica.telekom.de> <000001d97e75$8e7c6250$ab7526f0$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: <1683200618943.30241.4931512a23c5af4193aff3855654c40b0b67018f@spica.telekom.de> Sorry, I am out here. This guy wants to play till the engine is shot. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: RE: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-04T12:45:37+0200 Von: "simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com" An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" Thanks for that. I?ll certainly bear it in mind. Likewise, I?ll keep a close eye on my engine?s temperature. The latter is quite well protected with a modern rad, all the correct baffles, 5 blade fan plus electronic fan. But, as I said, I?ll keep an eye on it. Someone mentioned that he used ?Iridium? plugs from NGK. I googled them?.horribly expensive. Can they be worth it in our old cars? Simon From: josef-eckert at t-online.de Sent: 04 May 2023 07:06 To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com; Healey, Forum Subject: AW: [Healeys] Spark plug gap For me, i prefer Champion plugs plugs to NGK, but that?s a matter of taste. I think both, Champion and NGK, are of similar quality. Matter of taste, as I wrote. But NOT the car manufacturer determines the plug gap, its the plug manufacturer. Definitely the car manufacturer takes this for his specs in the workshop manual. There is to much hype about plugs anyway. I am working as a professional, Elecrtonics and Elecrtrcian engineer, at a big classic car parts supplier here in Europe and I never go away from the given plug gap as set by the plug manufacturer. Austin-Healey engines are not high tech, they are tractor engines and can take a lot of misfit, but anyway BMC knew at the time what?s best to do with them, even its printed 60 or 70 years ago. Some people try to adjust the fuel mixture with a CO-tester. You can do that, but it doesn?t give best results for road use, especially in hotter climates and high above sea level. When you are very good in engine engineering and have all the tools you can try to find some more horsepower in your engine, but you always pay that with some more heat produced, which is not at all good for our old BMC engines. Josef -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: RE: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-04T00:06:58+0200 Von: "simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com " < simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com > An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de " < josef-eckert at t-online.de > You may be right. Not sure. Actually I thought that the gap was determined by the car?s manufacturer ie one could expect to find the same plug in two different cars and to find that the recommended gap was not the same for each car. Likewise, the BMC manual suggests Champion plugs at 0.024? to 0.026? and that was some 60+ years ago. I?ve always been told that Champion plugs aren?t the best in the world and I?m sure that a modern NGK can stand a little more heat than the Champions that were around 60 years ago. Anyhow, I?ll keep an eye on them. I?m a pretty tame driver so there won?t be undue stress under the bonnet. Simon From: josef-eckert at t-online.de < josef-eckert at t-online.de > Sent: 03 May 2023 20:56 To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com ; healeys at autox.team.net Subject: AW: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Spark plugs are designed and tested to be used with the gap given by the producer of the spark plug. When you widen the gap the plug gets hotter as it is designed for and the electrode can melt or wear very fast. Its a very short win you gain modifying them. I never understand why people think they are better engineers and know better than the designers of the system they use. Josef -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-03T21:39:57+0200 Von: "Simon Lachlan via Healeys" > An: "'Healeys'" > I run my MkII BT7 on NGK BP6ES which were recommended by some of the wise ones on this list. The car has a ?Sports? coil and a 123Ignition distributor. DW fast road cam?etc Now, talking of ?recommended?, the rolling road guys told me to set the plugs at 0.028? and pooh-poohed anything bigger when I suggested that I?d heard of much greater gaps with my approximate setup. So, I went with 0.028. The other day, I decided to experiment and set my spare set at 0.032?. Same NGKs, no mileage on them..decent plugs. Anyhow, it made a very surprising difference. All round performance is much enhanced. Despite it?s 3:54 diff and 28% OD, it was never sluggish on our local hills. But now it fairly zooms up them. To be frank, all a bit of a surprise. Not boasting?just putting that out there in case anyone else is thinking of going up a few thou?.. When I asked about gaps a few years back, some of the suggestions were near 0.040?. Surely that a bit much? Simon ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From boyracer466 at gmail.com Thu May 4 08:10:47 2023 From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (Ricchardd Mayor) Date: Thu, 4 May 2023 07:10:47 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Spark plug gap In-Reply-To: <1683200618943.30241.4931512a23c5af4193aff3855654c40b0b67018f@spica.telekom.de> References: <000001d97dec$3ebe6800$bc3b3800$@alexarevel.plus.com> <1683143739797.3398822.a14248bfe188de5976f98f018d4aa49836355f5e@spica.telekom.de> <000e01d97e0b$948451e0$bd8cf5a0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <1683180374184.3438755.d7091099a99773540ea52bfc82f6e724c4dc2437@spica.telekom.de> <000001d97e75$8e7c6250$ab7526f0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <1683200618943.30241.4931512a23c5af4193aff3855654c40b0b67018f@spica.telekom.de> Message-ID: <9427F91A-E53F-4967-9E1C-8D9390D009D8@gmail.com> On no! Who knew that gapping your plugs at .032 would ruin your engine. Thank you Josef for saving us. Richard Mayor boyracer466 at gmail.com > On May 4, 2023, at 4:43 AM, josef-eckert--- via Healeys wrote: > > Sorry, I am out here. This guy wants to play till the engine is shot. > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: RE: [Healeys] Spark plug gap > Datum: 2023-05-04T12:45:37+0200 > Von: "simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com" > An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" > > > > Thanks for that. I?ll certainly bear it in mind. Likewise, I?ll keep a close eye on my engine?s temperature. The latter is quite well protected with a modern rad, all the correct baffles, 5 blade fan plus electronic fan. But, as I said, I?ll keep an eye on it. > > Someone mentioned that he used ?Iridium? plugs from NGK. I googled them?.horribly expensive. Can they be worth it in our old cars? > > Simon > > > From: josef-eckert at t-online.de > Sent: 04 May 2023 07:06 > To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com; Healey, Forum > Subject: AW: [Healeys] Spark plug gap > > > For me, i prefer Champion plugs plugs to NGK, but that?s a matter of taste. I think both, Champion and NGK, are of similar quality. Matter of taste, as I wrote. But NOT the car manufacturer determines the plug gap, its the plug manufacturer. Definitely the car manufacturer takes this for his specs in the workshop manual. > There is to much hype about plugs anyway. I am working as a professional, Elecrtonics and Elecrtrcian engineer, at a big classic car parts supplier here in Europe and I never go away from the given plug gap as set by the plug manufacturer. Austin-Healey engines are not high tech, they are tractor engines and can take a lot of misfit, but anyway BMC knew at the time what?s best to do with them, even its printed 60 or 70 years ago. > Some people try to adjust the fuel mixture with a CO-tester. You can do that, but it doesn?t give best results for road use, especially in hotter climates and high above sea level. > When you are very good in engine engineering and have all the tools you can try to find some more horsepower in your engine, but you always pay that with some more heat produced, which is not at all good for our old BMC engines. > > Josef > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: RE: [Healeys] Spark plug gap > Datum: 2023-05-04T00:06:58+0200 > Von: "simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com " > > An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de " > > > > > You may be right. Not sure. > > Actually I thought that the gap was determined by the car?s manufacturer ie one could expect to find the same plug in two different cars and to find that the recommended gap was not the same for each car. > > Likewise, the BMC manual suggests Champion plugs at 0.024? to 0.026? and that was some 60+ years ago. I?ve always been told that Champion plugs aren?t the best in the world and I?m sure that a modern NGK can stand a little more heat than the Champions that were around 60 years ago. > > Anyhow, I?ll keep an eye on them. I?m a pretty tame driver so there won?t be undue stress under the bonnet. > > Simon > > > From: josef-eckert at t-online.de > > Sent: 03 May 2023 20:56 > To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com ; healeys at autox.team.net > Subject: AW: [Healeys] Spark plug gap > > > Spark plugs are designed and tested to be used with the gap given by the producer of the spark plug. > When you widen the gap the plug gets hotter as it is designed for and the electrode can melt or wear very fast. > Its a very short win you gain modifying them. > I never understand why people think they are better engineers and know better than the designers of the system they use. > > Josef > > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [Healeys] Spark plug gap > Datum: 2023-05-03T21:39:57+0200 > Von: "Simon Lachlan via Healeys" > > An: "'Healeys'" > > > > > I run my MkII BT7 on NGK BP6ES which were recommended by some of the wise ones on this list. > > The car has a ?Sports? coil and a 123Ignition distributor. DW fast road cam?etc > > Now, talking of ?recommended?, the rolling road guys told me to set the plugs at 0.028? and pooh-poohed anything bigger when I suggested that I?d heard of much greater gaps with my approximate setup. > > So, I went with 0.028. > > The other day, I decided to experiment and set my spare set at 0.032?. Same NGKs, no mileage on them..decent plugs. Anyhow, it made a very surprising difference. All round performance is much enhanced. > > Despite it?s 3:54 diff and 28% OD, it was never sluggish on our local hills. But now it fairly zooms up them. > > To be frank, all a bit of a surprise. > > Not boasting?just putting that out there in case anyone else is thinking of going up a few thou?.. > > When I asked about gaps a few years back, some of the suggestions were near 0.040?. Surely that a bit much? > > Simon > > > > ? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/boyracer466 at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josef-eckert at t-online.de Thu May 4 08:27:58 2023 From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de) Date: Thu, 4 May 2023 16:27:58 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Healeys] Spark plug gap In-Reply-To: References: <1683200618943.30241.4931512a23c5af4193aff3855654c40b0b67018f@spica.telekom.de> Message-ID: <1683210478705.40060.20f646c604e288a03362770766193d07b24169dc@spica.telekom.de> Chris, Seriously, here in Europe we have Shell V-Power (100 octane), or ARAL Ultimate (102 octane). I usually fill up with Shell V-Power at our filling station round the corner. I recommend to use either Shell or ARAL all my friends and customers. Btw. I have Dunlop and Avon crossply tyres on my 100 and 3000. I love crossplys on Healeys, as they give a nice soft ride. Here its not very pleasant to do long trips on motorways in a Healey, as traffic is enormeous and lots of congestions and plenty of lorries. Josef -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-04T15:22:10+0200 Von: "Chris Dimmock" An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" Josef Seriously? What octane leaded fuel are you running in your engine? 100 octane 5 star leaded as per the owner?s manual? A lot has changed in the last 60is years mate. Fuel octane. Lead in fuel. Do you run your modern radials at the same pressures as 60 year old crossply tyres? The owner?s manual is irrelevant with regards to spark plug gaps with modern fuels. Or modern tyres. Sincerely On 4 May 2023, at 9:45 pm, josef-eckert--- via Healeys wrote: Sorry, I am out here. This guy wants to play till the engine is shot. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: RE: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-04T12:45:37+0200 Von: "simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com" An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" Thanks for that. I?ll certainly bear it in mind. Likewise, I?ll keep a close eye on my engine?s temperature. The latter is quite well protected with a modern rad, all the correct baffles, 5 blade fan plus electronic fan. But, as I said, I?ll keep an eye on it. Someone mentioned that he used ?Iridium? plugs from NGK. I googled them?.horribly expensive. Can they be worth it in our old cars? Simon From: josef-eckert at t-online.de Sent: 04 May 2023 07:06 To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com; Healey, Forum Subject: AW: [Healeys] Spark plug gap For me, i prefer Champion plugs plugs to NGK, but that?s a matter of taste. I think both, Champion and NGK, are of similar quality. Matter of taste, as I wrote. But NOT the car manufacturer determines the plug gap, its the plug manufacturer. Definitely the car manufacturer takes this for his specs in the workshop manual. There is to much hype about plugs anyway. I am working as a professional, Elecrtonics and Elecrtrcian engineer, at a big classic car parts supplier here in Europe and I never go away from the given plug gap as set by the plug manufacturer. Austin-Healey engines are not high tech, they are tractor engines and can take a lot of misfit, but anyway BMC knew at the time what?s best to do with them, even its printed 60 or 70 years ago. Some people try to adjust the fuel mixture with a CO-tester. You can do that, but it doesn?t give best results for road use, especially in hotter climates and high above sea level. When you are very good in engine engineering and have all the tools you can try to find some more horsepower in your engine, but you always pay that with some more heat produced, which is not at all good for our old BMC engines. Josef -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: RE: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-04T00:06:58+0200 Von: "simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com " < simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com > An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de " < josef-eckert at t-online.de > You may be right. Not sure. Actually I thought that the gap was determined by the car?s manufacturer ie one could expect to find the same plug in two different cars and to find that the recommended gap was not the same for each car. Likewise, the BMC manual suggests Champion plugs at 0.024? to 0.026? and that was some 60+ years ago. I?ve always been told that Champion plugs aren?t the best in the world and I?m sure that a modern NGK can stand a little more heat than the Champions that were around 60 years ago. Anyhow, I?ll keep an eye on them. I?m a pretty tame driver so there won?t be undue stress under the bonnet. Simon From: josef-eckert at t-online.de < josef-eckert at t-online.de > Sent: 03 May 2023 20:56 To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com ; healeys at autox.team.net Subject: AW: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Spark plugs are designed and tested to be used with the gap given by the producer of the spark plug. When you widen the gap the plug gets hotter as it is designed for and the electrode can melt or wear very fast. Its a very short win you gain modifying them. I never understand why people think they are better engineers and know better than the designers of the system they use. Josef -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-03T21:39:57+0200 Von: "Simon Lachlan via Healeys" > An: "'Healeys'" > I run my MkII BT7 on NGK BP6ES which were recommended by some of the wise ones on this list. The car has a ?Sports? coil and a 123Ignition distributor. DW fast road cam?etc Now, talking of ?recommended?, the rolling road guys told me to set the plugs at 0.028? and pooh-poohed anything bigger when I suggested that I?d heard of much greater gaps with my approximate setup. So, I went with 0.028. The other day, I decided to experiment and set my spare set at 0.032?. Same NGKs, no mileage on them..decent plugs. Anyhow, it made a very surprising difference. All round performance is much enhanced. Despite it?s 3:54 diff and 28% OD, it was never sluggish on our local hills. But now it fairly zooms up them. To be frank, all a bit of a surprise. Not boasting?just putting that out there in case anyone else is thinking of going up a few thou?.. When I asked about gaps a few years back, some of the suggestions were near 0.040?. Surely that a bit much? 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URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Thu May 4 08:56:15 2023 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Thu, 4 May 2023 07:56:15 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Spark plug gap In-Reply-To: <1683200618943.30241.4931512a23c5af4193aff3855654c40b0b67018f@spica.telekom.de> References: <000001d97dec$3ebe6800$bc3b3800$@alexarevel.plus.com> <1683143739797.3398822.a14248bfe188de5976f98f018d4aa49836355f5e@spica.telekom.de> <000e01d97e0b$948451e0$bd8cf5a0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <1683180374184.3438755.d7091099a99773540ea52bfc82f6e724c4dc2437@spica.telekom.de> <000001d97e75$8e7c6250$ab7526f0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <1683200618943.30241.4931512a23c5af4193aff3855654c40b0b67018f@spica.telekom.de> Message-ID: <8f76a9de-2327-ad10-9390-432fc269047b@comcast.net> I'll chime in here (as is my wont). I'm not an EE--my electrical knowledge is self-taught--so if I'm incorrect feel free to correct. The theoretical output of a coil--which is essentially half of an AC transformer--is determined by the ratio of its secondary winding to its primary. For example, a coil with 10 primary windings and 20,000 secondary windings will boost the primary 'signal' 2,000 times, so it would boost a primary signal of 12V to 24,000 volts. When the primary pulse to the coil is discontinued--e.g. points open--both the primary and secondary induced electrical fields collapse, and the secondary field is directed to the plugs*. The secondary field collapses until it produces sufficient voltage to overcome the resistance of the plug gap; hence the width of the gap determines the strength of the spark. For example--pulling numbers out of my exhaust pipe--if a 0.025" gap requires 10K volts to produce a spark, then a 0.030" gap might require 12K volts to produce a spark. So, a larger gap produces a 'hotter' spark, up to the theoretical limit of the coil, and a hotter spark is better, no? Well, yes and no; theoretically, as long as the spark is hot enough to jump the gap it will ignite a proper mixture. A very lean mixture is harder to ignite, and a very rich mixture could 'drown' the spark ('stratified charge' engines use a richer mixture to ignite a leaner mixture). A hotter spark may more reliably ignite a non-ideal mixture, and may help a bit to ignite a proper one (higher compression engines require a hotter spark). But, as Josef noted, since every spark transmits some of the non-ground electrode--probably billions of atoms--to the ground electrode a hotter spark will erode the electrode faster (since erosion starts with the first spark and with a wider gap you should re-gap more often). Note condensers (capacitors) are used in points systems and SU fuel pumps to suppress spark arcing and subsequent points erosion. Which is why ... Exotic metal--platinum or iridium--plugs are more resistant to erosion, which is why newer cars can go 80K miles or more without a 'tuneup,' which, for all intents-and-purposes just means swapping plugs (note they come in 'single' (default) or 'dual' types, meaning one or both electrodes are the exotic metal, respectively) . Old-style plugs with copper and steel electrodes can reliably go 15K miles or more, with one or two re-gaps, so exotic metal plugs aren't particularly useful for our cars which might do a couple thousand miles a year but, hey, knock yourself out. Note that platinum and iridium plugs come pre-gapped, and you'd best not mess with them. When I swapped plugs on my '08 Mustang I couldn't find a gap spec anywhere, but IIRC I futzed with them anyway (of course) and think they were all about 0.025". Fortunately, the car still ran well after my meddling and I traded it in in a few years anyway. Curiously, I watched a David Vizard video where he claimed he saw a /slight/ mileage increase using E3 'DiamondFire' plugs, so there may be something to the plug voodoo. Fun fact: All the iridium on planet Earth came from a single asteroid, and is found in a layer of said earth deposited around the same time the dinosaurs went kaput. Coincidence? I think not. Anybody who's worked on 'modern' cars, say, newer than 2000MY or so, has noted 'Coil On Plug' ('COP') technology, where each plug get its own coil. Now, the coils on these are small, about the size of an old 35mm film canister--remember those?--and you might say to yourself 'Self, how do they stuff all that wiring into that little film canister' and the answer is, the wires gotta be real tiny and, yep, as you might expect they are fragile compared to our Bud Light can-sized (sorry) old school Lucas coils. Early COP systems--looking at you, VW--were prone to gremlins and I still hear about COP failures on newer cars and other makes, esp. with DOHC engines which always, eventually, seem to get leaky valve cover gaskets which dump oil into the plug tubes (as opposed to leaky Healey valve cover gaskets which just dump oil, well, everywhere). OK, caffeine rush is fading. Ciao. Bob * Note coils for our Healeys come with either 'SW' ('switch;' i.e. ignition switch)? and 'CB' ('contact breaker;' i.e. points/distributor)? or '+' and '-' labels on the primary terminals. They'll work either way, but some voodoo is employed whereby, when properly connected the secondary field is routed in series with the primary circuit to give a slight boost to produced spark. On 5/4/2023 4:43 AM, josef-eckert--- via Healeys wrote: > > Sorry, I am out here. This guy wants to play till the engine is shot. > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: RE: [Healeys] Spark plug gap > > Datum: 2023-05-04T12:45:37+0200 > > Von: "simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com" > > > An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" > > Thanks for that. I?ll certainly bear it in mind. Likewise, I?ll keep a > close eye on my engine?s temperature. The latter is quite well > protected with a modern rad, all the correct baffles, 5 blade fan plus > electronic fan. But, as I said, I?ll keep an eye on it. > > Someone mentioned that he used ?Iridium? plugs from NGK. I googled > them?.horribly expensive. Can they be worth it in our old cars? > > Simon > > *From:*josef-eckert at t-online.de > *Sent:* 04 May 2023 07:06 > *To:* simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com; Healey, Forum > > *Subject:* AW: [Healeys] Spark plug gap > > For me, i prefer Champion plugs plugs to NGK, but that?s a matter of > taste. I think both, Champion and NGK, are of similar quality. Matter > of taste, as I wrote. But NOT the car manufacturer determines the plug > gap, its the plug manufacturer. Definitely the car manufacturer takes > this for his specs in the workshop manual. > > There is to much hype about plugs anyway. I am working as a > professional, Elecrtonics and Elecrtrcian engineer, at a big classic > car parts supplier here in Europe and I never go away from the given > plug gap as set by the plug manufacturer. Austin-Healey engines? are > not high tech, they are tractor engines and can take a lot of misfit, > but anyway BMC knew at the time what?s best to do with them, even its > printed 60 or 70 years ago. > > Some people try to adjust the fuel mixture with a CO-tester. You can > do that, but it doesn?t give best results for road use, especially in > hotter climates and high above sea level. > > When you are very good in engine engineering and have all the tools > you can try to find some more horsepower in your engine, but you > always pay that with some more heat produced, which is not at all good > for our old BMC engines. > > Josef > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: RE: [Healeys] Spark plug gap > > Datum: 2023-05-04T00:06:58+0200 > > Von: "simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com" > > > An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" > > You may be right. Not sure. > > Actually I thought that the gap was determined by the car?s > manufacturer ie one could expect to find the same plug in two > different cars and to find that the recommended gap was not the same > for each car. > > Likewise, the BMC manual suggests Champion plugs at 0.024? to 0.026? > and that was some 60+ years ago. I?ve always been told that Champion > plugs aren?t the best in the world and I?m sure that a modern NGK can > stand a little more heat than the Champions that were around 60 years ago. > > Anyhow, I?ll keep an eye on them. I?m a pretty tame driver so there > won?t be undue stress under the bonnet. > > Simon > > *From:*josef-eckert at t-online.de > *Sent:* 03 May 2023 20:56 > *To:* simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com; healeys at autox.team.net > *Subject:* AW: [Healeys] Spark plug gap > > Spark plugs are designed and tested to be used with the gap given by > the producer of the spark plug. > > When you widen the gap the plug gets hotter as it is designed for and > the electrode can melt or wear very fast. > > Its a very short win you gain modifying them. > > I never understand why people think they are better engineers and know > better than the designers of the system they use. > > Josef > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: [Healeys] Spark plug gap > > Datum: 2023-05-03T21:39:57+0200 > > Von: "Simon Lachlan via Healeys" > > An: "'Healeys'" > > I run my MkII BT7 on NGK BP6ES which were recommended by some of the > wise ones on this list. > > The car has a ?Sports? coil and a 123Ignition distributor. DW fast > road cam?etc > > Now, talking of ?recommended?, the rolling road guys told me to set > the plugs at 0.028? and pooh-poohed anything bigger when I suggested > that I?d heard of much greater gaps with my approximate setup. > > So, I went with 0.028. > > The other day, I decided to experiment and set my spare set at 0.032?. > Same NGKs, no mileage on them..decent plugs. Anyhow, it made a very > surprising difference. All round performance is much enhanced. > > Despite it?s 3:54 diff and 28% OD, it was never sluggish on our local > hills. But now it fairly zooms up them. > > To be frank, all a bit of a surprise. > > Not boasting?just putting that out there in case anyone else is > thinking of going up a few thou?.. > > When I asked about gaps a few years back, some of the suggestions were > near 0.040?. Surely that a bit much? > > Simon > > ? > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Nethttp://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bspidell at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From springer.mike51 at gmail.com Thu May 4 15:53:48 2023 From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean) Date: Thu, 4 May 2023 14:53:48 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] 1275 core needed Message-ID: Anyone near the Southern California area (will travel up to 100 miles) have a 1275 sitting on the floor of their garage that they were going to rebuild someday, but it's just gathering dust? Looking to buy a 1275 core to rebuild. 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URL: From josef-eckert at t-online.de Thu May 4 13:58:21 2023 From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de) Date: Thu, 4 May 2023 21:58:21 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Healeys] Spark plug gap In-Reply-To: <9427F91A-E53F-4967-9E1C-8D9390D009D8@gmail.com> References: <000001d97dec$3ebe6800$bc3b3800$@alexarevel.plus.com> <1683143739797.3398822.a14248bfe188de5976f98f018d4aa49836355f5e@spica.telekom.de> <000e01d97e0b$948451e0$bd8cf5a0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <1683180374184.3438755.d7091099a99773540ea52bfc82f6e724c4dc2437@spica.telekom.de> <000001d97e75$8e7c6250$ab7526f0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <1683200618943.30241.4931512a23c5af4193aff3855654c40b0b67018f@spica.telekom.de> <9427F91A-E53F-4967-9E1C-8D9390D009D8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1683230301808.176666.2f66cce971a7f0aee6eebf3edb6c52fdd91abab7@spica.telekom.de> Richard, Just do what you want. Its your car, your engine, I do not mind. Josef -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-04T16:10:56+0200 Von: "Ricchardd Mayor" An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" On no! Who knew that gapping your plugs at .032 would ruin your engine. Thank you Josef for saving us. Richard Mayor boyracer466 at gmail.com On May 4, 2023, at 4:43 AM, josef-eckert--- via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net > wrote: Sorry, I am out here. This guy wants to play till the engine is shot. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: RE: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-04T12:45:37+0200 Von: "simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com " < simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com > An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de " < josef-eckert at t-online.de > Thanks for that. I?ll certainly bear it in mind. Likewise, I?ll keep a close eye on my engine?s temperature. The latter is quite well protected with a modern rad, all the correct baffles, 5 blade fan plus electronic fan. But, as I said, I?ll keep an eye on it. Someone mentioned that he used ?Iridium? plugs from NGK. I googled them?.horribly expensive. Can they be worth it in our old cars? Simon From: josef-eckert at t-online.de < josef-eckert at t-online.de > Sent: 04 May 2023 07:06 To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com ; Healey, Forum < healeys at autox.team.net > Subject: AW: [Healeys] Spark plug gap For me, i prefer Champion plugs plugs to NGK, but that?s a matter of taste. I think both, Champion and NGK, are of similar quality. Matter of taste, as I wrote. But NOT the car manufacturer determines the plug gap, its the plug manufacturer. Definitely the car manufacturer takes this for his specs in the workshop manual. There is to much hype about plugs anyway. I am working as a professional, Elecrtonics and Elecrtrcian engineer, at a big classic car parts supplier here in Europe and I never go away from the given plug gap as set by the plug manufacturer. Austin-Healey engines are not high tech, they are tractor engines and can take a lot of misfit, but anyway BMC knew at the time what?s best to do with them, even its printed 60 or 70 years ago. Some people try to adjust the fuel mixture with a CO-tester. You can do that, but it doesn?t give best results for road use, especially in hotter climates and high above sea level. When you are very good in engine engineering and have all the tools you can try to find some more horsepower in your engine, but you always pay that with some more heat produced, which is not at all good for our old BMC engines. Josef -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: RE: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-04T00:06:58+0200 Von: "simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com " < simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com > An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de " < josef-eckert at t-online.de > You may be right. Not sure. Actually I thought that the gap was determined by the car?s manufacturer ie one could expect to find the same plug in two different cars and to find that the recommended gap was not the same for each car. Likewise, the BMC manual suggests Champion plugs at 0.024? to 0.026? and that was some 60+ years ago. I?ve always been told that Champion plugs aren?t the best in the world and I?m sure that a modern NGK can stand a little more heat than the Champions that were around 60 years ago. Anyhow, I?ll keep an eye on them. I?m a pretty tame driver so there won?t be undue stress under the bonnet. Simon From: josef-eckert at t-online.de < josef-eckert at t-online.de > Sent: 03 May 2023 20:56 To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com ; healeys at autox.team.net Subject: AW: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Spark plugs are designed and tested to be used with the gap given by the producer of the spark plug. When you widen the gap the plug gets hotter as it is designed for and the electrode can melt or wear very fast. Its a very short win you gain modifying them. I never understand why people think they are better engineers and know better than the designers of the system they use. Josef -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-03T21:39:57+0200 Von: "Simon Lachlan via Healeys" > An: "'Healeys'" > I run my MkII BT7 on NGK BP6ES which were recommended by some of the wise ones on this list. The car has a ?Sports? coil and a 123Ignition distributor. DW fast road cam?etc Now, talking of ?recommended?, the rolling road guys told me to set the plugs at 0.028? and pooh-poohed anything bigger when I suggested that I?d heard of much greater gaps with my approximate setup. So, I went with 0.028. The other day, I decided to experiment and set my spare set at 0.032?. Same NGKs, no mileage on them..decent plugs. Anyhow, it made a very surprising difference. All round performance is much enhanced. Despite it?s 3:54 diff and 28% OD, it was never sluggish on our local hills. But now it fairly zooms up them. To be frank, all a bit of a surprise. Not boasting?just putting that out there in case anyone else is thinking of going up a few thou?.. When I asked about gaps a few years back, some of the suggestions were near 0.040?. Surely that a bit much? Simon _______________________________________________ Support Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/boyracer466 at gmail.com ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From coudesluijs at chello.nl Fri May 5 03:28:39 2023 From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs) Date: Fri, 5 May 2023 11:28:39 +0200 Subject: [Healeys] Spark plug gap In-Reply-To: <1683230301808.176666.2f66cce971a7f0aee6eebf3edb6c52fdd91abab7@spica.telekom.de> References: <000001d97dec$3ebe6800$bc3b3800$@alexarevel.plus.com> <1683143739797.3398822.a14248bfe188de5976f98f018d4aa49836355f5e@spica.telekom.de> <000e01d97e0b$948451e0$bd8cf5a0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <1683180374184.3438755.d7091099a99773540ea52bfc82f6e724c4dc2437@spica.telekom.de> <000001d97e75$8e7c6250$ab7526f0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <1683200618943.30241.4931512a23c5af4193aff3855654c40b0b67018f@spica.telekom.de> <9427F91A-E53F-4967-9E1C-8D9390D009D8@gmail.com> <1683230301808.176666.2f66cce971a7f0aee6eebf3edb6c52fdd91abab7@spica.telekom.de> Message-ID: In extreme cases you may burn a hole in your pistons. Kees Op 4-5-2023 om 21:58 schreef josef-eckert--- via Healeys: > > Richard, > Just do what you want. Its your car, your engine, I do not mind. > > Josef > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Spark plug gap > > Datum: 2023-05-04T16:10:56+0200 > > Von: "Ricchardd Mayor" > > An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" > > On no! ?Who knew that gapping your plugs at .032 would ruin your > engine. Thank you Josef for saving us. > Richard?Mayor > boyracer466 at gmail.com > > > On May 4, 2023, at 4:43 AM, josef-eckert--- via Healeys > wrote: > > Sorry, I am out here. This guy wants to play till the engine is shot. > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: RE: [Healeys] Spark plug gap > Datum: 2023-05-04T12:45:37+0200 > Von: "simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com" > > An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" > > Thanks for that. I?ll certainly bear it in mind. Likewise, I?ll > keep a close eye on my engine?s temperature. The latter is quite > well protected with a modern rad, all the correct baffles, 5 blade > fan plus electronic fan. But, as I said, I?ll keep an eye on it. > > Someone mentioned that he used ?Iridium? plugs from NGK. I googled > them?.horribly expensive. Can they be worth it in our old cars? > > Simon > > *From:*josef-eckert at t-online.de > *Sent:* 04 May 2023 07:06 > *To:* simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com; Healey, Forum > > *Subject:* AW: [Healeys] Spark plug gap > > For me, i prefer Champion plugs plugs to NGK, but that?s a matter > of taste. I think both, Champion and NGK, are of similar quality. > Matter of taste, as I wrote. But NOT the car manufacturer > determines the plug gap, its the plug manufacturer. Definitely the > car manufacturer takes this for his specs in the workshop manual. > There is to much hype about plugs anyway. I am working as a > professional, Elecrtonics and Elecrtrcian engineer, at a big > classic car parts supplier here in Europe and I never go away from > the given plug gap as set by the plug manufacturer. Austin-Healey > engines? are not high tech, they are tractor engines and can take > a lot of misfit, but anyway BMC knew at the time what?s best to do > with them, even its printed 60 or 70 years ago. > Some people try to adjust the fuel mixture with a CO-tester. You > can do that, but it doesn?t give best results for road use, > especially in hotter climates and high above sea level. > When you are very good in engine engineering and have all the > tools you can try to find some more horsepower in your engine, but > you always pay that with some more heat produced, which is not at > all good for our old BMC engines. > > Josef > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: RE: [Healeys] Spark plug gap > Datum: 2023-05-04T00:06:58+0200 > Von: "simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com" > > An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" > > You may be right. Not sure. > > Actually I thought that the gap was determined by the car?s > manufacturer ie one could expect to find the same plug in two > different cars and to find that the recommended gap was not the > same for each car. > > Likewise, the BMC manual suggests Champion plugs at 0.024? to > 0.026? and that was some 60+ years ago. I?ve always been told that > Champion plugs aren?t the best in the world and I?m sure that a > modern NGK can stand a little more heat than the Champions that > were around 60 years ago. > > Anyhow, I?ll keep an eye on them. I?m a pretty tame driver so > there won?t be undue stress under the bonnet. > > Simon > > *From:*josef-eckert at t-online.de > *Sent:* 03 May 2023 20:56 > *To:* simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com; healeys at autox.team.net > *Subject:* AW: [Healeys] Spark plug gap > > Spark plugs are designed and tested to be used with the gap given > by the producer of the spark plug. > When you widen the gap the plug gets hotter as it is designed for > and the electrode can melt or wear very fast. > Its a very short win you gain modifying them. > I never understand why people think they are better engineers and > know better than the designers of the system they use. > > Josef > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [Healeys] Spark plug gap > Datum: 2023-05-03T21:39:57+0200 > Von: "Simon Lachlan via Healeys" > An: "'Healeys'" > > I run my MkII BT7 on NGK BP6ES which were recommended by some of > the wise ones on this list. > > The car has a ?Sports? coil and a 123Ignition distributor. DW fast > road cam?etc > > Now, talking of ?recommended?, the rolling road guys told me to > set the plugs at 0.028? and pooh-poohed anything bigger when I > suggested that I?d heard of much greater gaps with my approximate > setup. > > So, I went with 0.028. > > The other day, I decided to experiment and set my spare set at > 0.032?. Same NGKs, no mileage on them..decent plugs. Anyhow, it > made a very surprising difference. All round performance is much > enhanced. > > Despite it?s 3:54 diff and 28% OD, it was never sluggish on our > local hills. But now it fairly zooms up them. > > To be frank, all a bit of a surprise. > > Not boasting?just putting that out there in case anyone else is > thinking of going up a few thou?.. > > When I asked about gaps a few years back, some of the suggestions > were near 0.040?. 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From alfuller194 at gmail.com Fri May 5 17:05:59 2023 From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 5 May 2023 16:05:59 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Spark plug gap In-Reply-To: <8f76a9de-2327-ad10-9390-432fc269047b@comcast.net> References: <000001d97dec$3ebe6800$bc3b3800$@alexarevel.plus.com> <1683143739797.3398822.a14248bfe188de5976f98f018d4aa49836355f5e@spica.telekom.de> <000e01d97e0b$948451e0$bd8cf5a0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <1683180374184.3438755.d7091099a99773540ea52bfc82f6e724c4dc2437@spica.telekom.de> <000001d97e75$8e7c6250$ab7526f0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <1683200618943.30241.4931512a23c5af4193aff3855654c40b0b67018f@spica.telekom.de> <8f76a9de-2327-ad10-9390-432fc269047b@comcast.net> Message-ID: <013d01d97fa6$286f9400$794ebc00$@gmail.com> Bob ? I?m afraid you have me confused? You indicated ??theoretically, as long as the spark is hot enough to jump the gap it will ignite a proper mixture. A very lean mixture is harder to ignite, and a very rich mixture could 'drown' the spark ('stratified charge' engines use a richer mixture to ignite a leaner mixture). A hotter spark may more reliably ignite a non-ideal mixture, and may help a bit to ignite a proper one (higher compression engines require a hotter spark)?.? BUT Josef tells us that ? ? Some people try to adjust the fuel mixture with a CO-tester. You can do that, but it doesn?t give best results for road use, especially in hotter climates and high above sea level. ?? SO ? If one can use an instrument and get a perfectly stoichiometric air/fuel ratio and it doesn?t give best results [Worse at altitude or in the summer driving season!] ? then surely all this fiddling with the spark plug gap to account for the engine?s particulars must be a fool?s errand, and cannot possibly work!! P.S.: And whatever you ? do NOT adjust the timing to try to make the car run its best. ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller From: Healeys On Behalf Of Bob Spidell Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 7:56 AM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Spark plug gap I'll chime in here (as is my wont). I'm not an EE--my electrical knowledge is self-taught--so if I'm incorrect feel free to correct. The theoretical output of a coil--which is essentially half of an AC transformer--is determined by the ratio of its secondary winding to its primary. For example, a coil with 10 primary windings and 20,000 secondary windings will boost the primary 'signal' 2,000 times, so it would boost a primary signal of 12V to 24,000 volts. When the primary pulse to the coil is discontinued--e.g. points open--both the primary and secondary induced electrical fields collapse, and the secondary field is directed to the plugs*. The secondary field collapses until it produces sufficient voltage to overcome the resistance of the plug gap; hence the width of the gap determines the strength of the spark. For example--pulling numbers out of my exhaust pipe--if a 0.025" gap requires 10K volts to produce a spark, then a 0.030" gap might require 12K volts to produce a spark. So, a larger gap produces a 'hotter' spark, up to the theoretical limit of the coil, and a hotter spark is better, no? Well, yes and no; theoretically, as long as the spark is hot enough to jump the gap it will ignite a proper mixture. A very lean mixture is harder to ignite, and a very rich mixture could 'drown' the spark ('stratified charge' engines use a richer mixture to ignite a leaner mixture). A hotter spark may more reliably ignite a non-ideal mixture, and may help a bit to ignite a proper one (higher compression engines require a hotter spark). But, as Josef noted, since every spark transmits some of the non-ground electrode--probably billions of atoms--to the ground electrode a hotter spark will erode the electrode faster (since erosion starts with the first spark and with a wider gap you should re-gap more often). Note condensers (capacitors) are used in points systems and SU fuel pumps to suppress spark arcing and subsequent points erosion. Which is why ... Exotic metal--platinum or iridium--plugs are more resistant to erosion, which is why newer cars can go 80K miles or more without a 'tuneup,' which, for all intents-and-purposes just means swapping plugs (note they come in 'single' (default) or 'dual' types, meaning one or both electrodes are the exotic metal, respectively) . Old-style plugs with copper and steel electrodes can reliably go 15K miles or more, with one or two re-gaps, so exotic metal plugs aren't particularly useful for our cars which might do a couple thousand miles a year but, hey, knock yourself out. Note that platinum and iridium plugs come pre-gapped, and you'd best not mess with them. When I swapped plugs on my '08 Mustang I couldn't find a gap spec anywhere, but IIRC I futzed with them anyway (of course) and think they were all about 0.025". Fortunately, the car still ran well after my meddling and I traded it in in a few years anyway. Curiously, I watched a David Vizard video where he claimed he saw a slight mileage increase using E3 'DiamondFire' plugs, so there may be something to the plug voodoo. Fun fact: All the iridium on planet Earth came from a single asteroid, and is found in a layer of said earth deposited around the same time the dinosaurs went kaput. Coincidence? I think not. Anybody who's worked on 'modern' cars, say, newer than 2000MY or so, has noted 'Coil On Plug' ('COP') technology, where each plug get its own coil. Now, the coils on these are small, about the size of an old 35mm film canister--remember those?--and you might say to yourself 'Self, how do they stuff all that wiring into that little film canister' and the answer is, the wires gotta be real tiny and, yep, as you might expect they are fragile compared to our Bud Light can-sized (sorry) old school Lucas coils. Early COP systems--looking at you, VW--were prone to gremlins and I still hear about COP failures on newer cars and other makes, esp. with DOHC engines which always, eventually, seem to get leaky valve cover gaskets which dump oil into the plug tubes (as opposed to leaky Healey valve cover gaskets which just dump oil, well, everywhere). OK, caffeine rush is fading. Ciao. Bob * Note coils for our Healeys come with either 'SW' ('switch;' i.e. ignition switch) and 'CB' ('contact breaker;' i.e. points/distributor) or '+' and '-' labels on the primary terminals. They'll work either way, but some voodoo is employed whereby, when properly connected the secondary field is routed in series with the primary circuit to give a slight boost to produced spark. On 5/4/2023 4:43 AM, josef-eckert--- via Healeys wrote: Sorry, I am out here. This guy wants to play till the engine is shot. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: RE: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-04T12:45:37+0200 Von: "simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com" An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" Thanks for that. I?ll certainly bear it in mind. Likewise, I?ll keep a close eye on my engine?s temperature. The latter is quite well protected with a modern rad, all the correct baffles, 5 blade fan plus electronic fan. But, as I said, I?ll keep an eye on it. Someone mentioned that he used ?Iridium? plugs from NGK. I googled them?.horribly expensive. Can they be worth it in our old cars? Simon From: josef-eckert at t-online.de Sent: 04 May 2023 07:06 To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com ; Healey, Forum Subject: AW: [Healeys] Spark plug gap For me, i prefer Champion plugs plugs to NGK, but that?s a matter of taste. I think both, Champion and NGK, are of similar quality. Matter of taste, as I wrote. But NOT the car manufacturer determines the plug gap, its the plug manufacturer. Definitely the car manufacturer takes this for his specs in the workshop manual. There is to much hype about plugs anyway. I am working as a professional, Elecrtonics and Elecrtrcian engineer, at a big classic car parts supplier here in Europe and I never go away from the given plug gap as set by the plug manufacturer. Austin-Healey engines are not high tech, they are tractor engines and can take a lot of misfit, but anyway BMC knew at the time what?s best to do with them, even its printed 60 or 70 years ago. Some people try to adjust the fuel mixture with a CO-tester. You can do that, but it doesn?t give best results for road use, especially in hotter climates and high above sea level. When you are very good in engine engineering and have all the tools you can try to find some more horsepower in your engine, but you always pay that with some more heat produced, which is not at all good for our old BMC engines. Josef -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: RE: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-04T00:06:58+0200 Von: "simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com " > An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de " > You may be right. Not sure. Actually I thought that the gap was determined by the car?s manufacturer ie one could expect to find the same plug in two different cars and to find that the recommended gap was not the same for each car. Likewise, the BMC manual suggests Champion plugs at 0.024? to 0.026? and that was some 60+ years ago. I?ve always been told that Champion plugs aren?t the best in the world and I?m sure that a modern NGK can stand a little more heat than the Champions that were around 60 years ago. Anyhow, I?ll keep an eye on them. I?m a pretty tame driver so there won?t be undue stress under the bonnet. Simon From: josef-eckert at t-online.de > Sent: 03 May 2023 20:56 To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com ; healeys at autox.team.net Subject: AW: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Spark plugs are designed and tested to be used with the gap given by the producer of the spark plug. When you widen the gap the plug gets hotter as it is designed for and the electrode can melt or wear very fast. Its a very short win you gain modifying them. I never understand why people think they are better engineers and know better than the designers of the system they use. Josef -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-03T21:39:57+0200 Von: "Simon Lachlan via Healeys" > An: "'Healeys'" > I run my MkII BT7 on NGK BP6ES which were recommended by some of the wise ones on this list. The car has a ?Sports? coil and a 123Ignition distributor. DW fast road cam?etc Now, talking of ?recommended?, the rolling road guys told me to set the plugs at 0.028? and pooh-poohed anything bigger when I suggested that I?d heard of much greater gaps with my approximate setup. So, I went with 0.028. The other day, I decided to experiment and set my spare set at 0.032?. Same NGKs, no mileage on them..decent plugs. Anyhow, it made a very surprising difference. All round performance is much enhanced. Despite it?s 3:54 diff and 28% OD, it was never sluggish on our local hills. But now it fairly zooms up them. To be frank, all a bit of a surprise. Not boasting?just putting that out there in case anyone else is thinking of going up a few thou?.. When I asked about gaps a few years back, some of the suggestions were near 0.040?. Surely that a bit much? Simon ? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bspidell at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Fri May 5 18:25:22 2023 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Fri, 5 May 2023 17:25:22 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Spark plug gap In-Reply-To: <013d01d97fa6$286f9400$794ebc00$@gmail.com> References: <000001d97dec$3ebe6800$bc3b3800$@alexarevel.plus.com> <1683143739797.3398822.a14248bfe188de5976f98f018d4aa49836355f5e@spica.telekom.de> <000e01d97e0b$948451e0$bd8cf5a0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <1683180374184.3438755.d7091099a99773540ea52bfc82f6e724c4dc2437@spica.telekom.de> <000001d97e75$8e7c6250$ab7526f0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <1683200618943.30241.4931512a23c5af4193aff3855654c40b0b67018f@spica.telekom.de> <8f76a9de-2327-ad10-9390-432fc269047b@comcast.net> <013d01d97fa6$286f9400$794ebc00$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b2749c3-0267-80b6-c7e4-e5dbb704b248@comcast.net> re: "... all this fiddling with the spark plug gap to account for the engine?s particulars must be a fool?s errand, and cannot possibly work!! " It works if your car runs smoothly. If you run a little toward the lean side--which Healeys don't like--a performance coil and a little more gap may help give a little smoother running engine. Running very rich, to the point you get black soot out of the exhaust is not advisable for a number of reasons. So, set your mixture as you like and set your gap at book 'spec,' or a little larger if you like. A carburetted engine isn't likely to run at stoichiometric, except possibly under specific conditions and, probably, purely accidentally. Running very lean increases NOx emissions--why some engines have EGR valves (boo hiss)--and running rich will kill a catalytic converter before someone even gets a chance to steal it. Piston aircraft with well-designed fuel injection systems--typically Continentals--tuned injectors and multi-cylinder CHT/EGT meters can run 'lean of peak' for economy/endurance. Running at peak, i.e. stoichiometric, is inadvisable because it produces the hottest combustion temperatures and will cook these glorified lawnmower engines. Richard M. probably has dyno numbers that show the effect of mixture vs. plug gap. bs On 5/5/2023 4:05 PM, alfuller194 at gmail.com wrote: > > Bob ? I?m afraid you have me confused? > > You indicated ??theoretically, as long as the spark is hot enough to > jump the gap it will ignite a proper mixture. A very lean mixture is > harder to ignite, and a very rich mixture could 'drown' the spark > ('stratified charge' engines use a richer mixture to ignite a leaner > mixture). A hotter spark may more reliably ignite a non-ideal mixture, > and may help a bit to ignite a proper one (higher compression engines > require a hotter spark)?.? > > BUT Josef tells us that ? ?Some people try to adjust the fuel mixture > with a CO-tester. You can do that, but it doesn?t give best results > for road use, especially in hotter climates and high above sea level. ?? > > SO ? If one can use an instrument and get a perfectly stoichiometric > air/fuel ratio and it doesn?t give best results [Worse at altitude or > in the summer driving season!] ? then surely all this fiddling with > the spark plug gap to account for the engine?s particulars must be a > fool?s errand, and cannot possibly work!! > > P.S.: And whatever you ? do NOT adjust the timing to try to make the > car run its best. > > ---------------- > > All the best, > > Al Fuller > > *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Bob > Spidell > *Sent:* Thursday, May 4, 2023 7:56 AM > *To:* healeys at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Spark plug gap > > I'll chime in here (as is my wont). I'm not an EE--my electrical > knowledge is self-taught--so if I'm incorrect feel free to correct. > > The theoretical output of a coil--which is essentially half of an AC > transformer--is determined by the ratio of its secondary winding to > its primary. For example, a coil with 10 primary windings and 20,000 > secondary windings will boost the primary 'signal' 2,000 times, so it > would boost a primary signal of 12V to 24,000 volts. When the primary > pulse to the coil is discontinued--e.g. points open--both the primary > and secondary induced electrical fields collapse, and the secondary > field is directed to the plugs*. The secondary field collapses until > it produces sufficient voltage to overcome the resistance of the plug > gap; hence the width of the gap determines the strength of the spark. > For example--pulling numbers out of my exhaust pipe--if a 0.025" gap > requires 10K volts to produce a spark, then a 0.030" gap might require > 12K volts to produce a spark. So, a larger gap produces a 'hotter' > spark, up to the theoretical limit of the coil, and a hotter spark is > better, no? Well, yes and no; theoretically, as long as the spark is > hot enough to jump the gap it will ignite a proper mixture. A very > lean mixture is harder to ignite, and a very rich mixture could > 'drown' the spark ('stratified charge' engines use a richer mixture to > ignite a leaner mixture). A hotter spark may more reliably ignite a > non-ideal mixture, and may help a bit to ignite a proper one (higher > compression engines require a hotter spark). But, as Josef noted, > since every spark transmits some of the non-ground electrode--probably > billions of atoms--to the ground electrode a hotter spark will erode > the electrode faster (since erosion starts with the first spark and > with a wider gap you should re-gap more often). Note condensers > (capacitors) are used in points systems and SU fuel pumps to suppress > spark arcing and subsequent points erosion. Which is why ... > > Exotic metal--platinum or iridium--plugs are more resistant to > erosion, which is why newer cars can go 80K miles or more without a > 'tuneup,' which, for all intents-and-purposes just means swapping > plugs (note they come in 'single' (default) or 'dual' types, meaning > one or both electrodes are the exotic metal, respectively) . Old-style > plugs with copper and steel electrodes can reliably go 15K miles or > more, with one or two re-gaps, so exotic metal plugs aren't > particularly useful for our cars which might do a couple thousand > miles a year but, hey, knock yourself out. Note that platinum and > iridium plugs come pre-gapped, and you'd best not mess with them. When > I swapped plugs on my '08 Mustang I couldn't find a gap spec anywhere, > but IIRC I futzed with them anyway (of course) and think they were all > about 0.025". Fortunately, the car still ran well after my meddling > and I traded it in in a few years anyway. Curiously, I watched a David > Vizard video where he claimed he saw a /slight/ mileage increase using > E3 'DiamondFire' plugs, so there may be something to the plug voodoo. > Fun fact: All the iridium on planet Earth came from a single asteroid, > and is found in a layer of said earth deposited around the same time > the dinosaurs went kaput. Coincidence? I think not. > > Anybody who's worked on 'modern' cars, say, newer than 2000MY or so, > has noted 'Coil On Plug' ('COP') technology, where each plug get its > own coil. Now, the coils on these are small, about the size of an old > 35mm film canister--remember those?--and you might say to yourself > 'Self, how do they stuff all that wiring into that little film > canister' and the answer is, the wires gotta be real tiny and, yep, as > you might expect they are fragile compared to our Bud Light can-sized > (sorry) old school Lucas coils. Early COP systems--looking at you, > VW--were prone to gremlins and I still hear about COP failures on > newer cars and other makes, esp. with DOHC engines which always, > eventually, seem to get leaky valve cover gaskets which dump oil into > the plug tubes (as opposed to leaky Healey valve cover gaskets which > just dump oil, well, everywhere). > > OK, caffeine rush is fading. Ciao. > > Bob > > * Note coils for our Healeys come with either 'SW' ('switch;' i.e. > ignition switch)? and 'CB' ('contact breaker;' i.e. > points/distributor)? or '+' and '-' labels on the primary terminals. > They'll work either way, but some voodoo is employed whereby, when > properly connected the secondary field is routed in series with the > primary circuit to give a slight boost to produced spark. > > > On 5/4/2023 4:43 AM, josef-eckert--- via Healeys wrote: > > Sorry, I am out here. This guy wants to play till the engine is shot. > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: RE: [Healeys] Spark plug gap > > Datum: 2023-05-04T12:45:37+0200 > > Von: "simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com" > > > > > An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" > > > Thanks for that. I?ll certainly bear it in mind. Likewise, I?ll > keep a close eye on my engine?s temperature. The latter is quite > well protected with a modern rad, all the correct baffles, 5 blade > fan plus electronic fan. But, as I said, I?ll keep an eye on it. > > Someone mentioned that he used ?Iridium? plugs from NGK. I googled > them?.horribly expensive. Can they be worth it in our old cars? > > Simon > > *From:*josef-eckert at t-online.de > > *Sent:* 04 May 2023 07:06 > *To:* simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com; Healey, Forum > > *Subject:* AW: [Healeys] Spark plug gap > > For me, i prefer Champion plugs plugs to NGK, but that?s a matter > of taste. I think both, Champion and NGK, are of similar quality. > Matter of taste, as I wrote. But NOT the car manufacturer > determines the plug gap, its the plug manufacturer. Definitely the > car manufacturer takes this for his specs in the workshop manual. > > There is to much hype about plugs anyway. I am working as a > professional, Elecrtonics and Elecrtrcian engineer, at a big > classic car parts supplier here in Europe and I never go away from > the given plug gap as set by the plug manufacturer. Austin-Healey > engines? are not high tech, they are tractor engines and can take > a lot of misfit, but anyway BMC knew at the time what?s best to do > with them, even its printed 60 or 70 years ago. > > Some people try to adjust the fuel mixture with a CO-tester. You > can do that, but it doesn?t give best results for road use, > especially in hotter climates and high above sea level. > > When you are very good in engine engineering and have all the > tools you can try to find some more horsepower in your engine, but > you always pay that with some more heat produced, which is not at > all good for our old BMC engines. > > Josef > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: RE: [Healeys] Spark plug gap > > Datum: 2023-05-04T00:06:58+0200 > > Von: "simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com" > > > An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" > > You may be right. Not sure. > > Actually I thought that the gap was determined by the car?s > manufacturer ie one could expect to find the same plug in two > different cars and to find that the recommended gap was not the > same for each car. > > Likewise, the BMC manual suggests Champion plugs at 0.024? to > 0.026? and that was some 60+ years ago. I?ve always been told that > Champion plugs aren?t the best in the world and I?m sure that a > modern NGK can stand a little more heat than the Champions that > were around 60 years ago. > > Anyhow, I?ll keep an eye on them. I?m a pretty tame driver so > there won?t be undue stress under the bonnet. > > Simon > > *From:*josef-eckert at t-online.de > *Sent:* 03 May 2023 20:56 > *To:* simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com; healeys at autox.team.net > *Subject:* AW: [Healeys] Spark plug gap > > Spark plugs are designed and tested to be used with the gap given > by the producer of the spark plug. > > When you widen the gap the plug gets hotter as it is designed for > and the electrode can melt or wear very fast. > > Its a very short win you gain modifying them. > > I never understand why people think they are better engineers and > know better than the designers of the system they use. > > Josef > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: [Healeys] Spark plug gap > > Datum: 2023-05-03T21:39:57+0200 > > Von: "Simon Lachlan via Healeys" > > An: "'Healeys'" > > I run my MkII BT7 on NGK BP6ES which were recommended by some of > the wise ones on this list. > > The car has a ?Sports? coil and a 123Ignition distributor. DW fast > road cam?etc > > Now, talking of ?recommended?, the rolling road guys told me to > set the plugs at 0.028? and pooh-poohed anything bigger when I > suggested that I?d heard of much greater gaps with my approximate > setup. > > So, I went with 0.028. > > The other day, I decided to experiment and set my spare set at > 0.032?. Same NGKs, no mileage on them..decent plugs. Anyhow, it > made a very surprising difference. All round performance is much > enhanced. > > Despite it?s 3:54 diff and 28% OD, it was never sluggish on our > local hills. But now it fairly zooms up them. > > To be frank, all a bit of a surprise. > > Not boasting?just putting that out there in case anyone else is > thinking of going up a few thou?.. > > When I asked about gaps a few years back, some of the suggestions > were near 0.040?. Surely that a bit much? > > Simon > > ? > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Nethttp://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation? $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bspidell at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From manifold at telus.net Fri May 5 21:29:19 2023 From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold) Date: Fri, 5 May 2023 20:29:19 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Seat trim adhesive recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Michael, I glued the vinyl trim around the seat frame with Lepage Heavy Duty Contact Cement. The 250ml size comes with a brush. Harold On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 7:31?PM Michael Oritt wrote: > I have the seats out of my car and in many places the edges of the vinyl > trim around the bottom frames has begun to curl up and separate from the > metal. I don't want to pull the trim off entirely and start from > scratch--I just want to address the 1/2" to 1" of material that needs to be > reglued. For the sake of neatness I do not want to use a spray adhesive > but rather one I can apply with a brush only where needed. > > 3M yellow trim adhesive ("Yellow Peril") used to be the glue of choice but > with all the new products I am wondering what is now the best product to > use. Recommendations please? > > > Best--Michael Oritt > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rct2bnc at aol.com Fri May 5 21:31:43 2023 From: rct2bnc at aol.com (rct2bnc at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 03:31:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Healeys] Seat trim adhesive recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2010413062.4890498.1683343903707@mail.yahoo.com> Michael, I've used BARG lately and it holds well, even in our 100+ temps here in Arizona. Ben CohenBN1, BN7, BJ8 etc -----Original Message----- From: Michael Oritt To: Austin Healey Sent: Fri, May 5, 2023 7:49 am Subject: [Healeys] Seat trim adhesive recommendations I have the seats out of my car and in many places the edges of the vinyl trim around the bottom frames has begun to curl up and separate from the metal.? I don't want to pull the trim off entirely and start from scratch--I just want to address the 1/2" to 1" of material that needs to be reglued.? For the sake of neatness I do not want to use a spray adhesive but rather one I can apply with a brush only where needed.3M yellow trim adhesive ("Yellow Peril") used to be the glue of choice but with all the new products I am wondering what is now the best product to use.? Recommendations please? Best--Michael Oritt_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rct2bnc at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josef-eckert at t-online.de Fri May 5 23:19:07 2023 From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de) Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 07:19:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Healeys] Spark plug gap In-Reply-To: <82ECFB65-5D97-445C-B9F6-89C14304EB19@gmail.com> References: <82ECFB65-5D97-445C-B9F6-89C14304EB19@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1683350347941.176786.4893048ad48b5b28b328f33223088d48977fe4ff@spica.telekom.de> Chris, I haven?t wrote we have leaded fuel here in Europe. Josef. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-06T02:32:59+0200 Von: "Chris Dimmock" An: "Kees Oudesluijs" Wow I?m shocked you still have leaded fuel Josef. Because there are a lot more issues than lead. But clearly, your 1960?s spark plugs cope with all of them. Because lead made a difference. But obviously not in Europe Sincerely Chris. Sydney Australia On 5 May 2023, at 7:49 pm, Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys wrote: In extreme cases you may burn a hole in your pistons. Kees Op 4-5-2023 om 21:58 schreef josef-eckert--- via Healeys: Richard, Just do what you want. Its your car, your engine, I do not mind. Josef -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-04T16:10:56+0200 Von: "Ricchardd Mayor" An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" On no! Who knew that gapping your plugs at .032 would ruin your engine. Thank you Josef for saving us. Richard Mayor boyracer466 at gmail.com On May 4, 2023, at 4:43 AM, josef-eckert--- via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net > wrote: Sorry, I am out here. This guy wants to play till the engine is shot. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: RE: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-04T12:45:37+0200 Von: "simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com " < simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com > An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de " > Thanks for that. I?ll certainly bear it in mind. Likewise, I?ll keep a close eye on my engine?s temperature. The latter is quite well protected with a modern rad, all the correct baffles, 5 blade fan plus electronic fan. But, as I said, I?ll keep an eye on it. Someone mentioned that he used ?Iridium? plugs from NGK. I googled them?.horribly expensive. Can they be worth it in our old cars? Simon From: josef-eckert at t-online.de > Sent: 04 May 2023 07:06 To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com ; Healey, Forum < healeys at autox.team.net > Subject: AW: [Healeys] Spark plug gap For me, i prefer Champion plugs plugs to NGK, but that?s a matter of taste. I think both, Champion and NGK, are of similar quality. Matter of taste, as I wrote. But NOT the car manufacturer determines the plug gap, its the plug manufacturer. Definitely the car manufacturer takes this for his specs in the workshop manual. There is to much hype about plugs anyway. I am working as a professional, Elecrtonics and Elecrtrcian engineer, at a big classic car parts supplier here in Europe and I never go away from the given plug gap as set by the plug manufacturer. Austin-Healey engines are not high tech, they are tractor engines and can take a lot of misfit, but anyway BMC knew at the time what?s best to do with them, even its printed 60 or 70 years ago. Some people try to adjust the fuel mixture with a CO-tester. You can do that, but it doesn?t give best results for road use, especially in hotter climates and high above sea level. When you are very good in engine engineering and have all the tools you can try to find some more horsepower in your engine, but you always pay that with some more heat produced, which is not at all good for our old BMC engines. Josef -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: RE: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-04T00:06:58+0200 Von: "simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com " < simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com > An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de " > You may be right. Not sure. Actually I thought that the gap was determined by the car?s manufacturer ie one could expect to find the same plug in two different cars and to find that the recommended gap was not the same for each car. Likewise, the BMC manual suggests Champion plugs at 0.024? to 0.026? and that was some 60+ years ago. I?ve always been told that Champion plugs aren?t the best in the world and I?m sure that a modern NGK can stand a little more heat than the Champions that were around 60 years ago. Anyhow, I?ll keep an eye on them. I?m a pretty tame driver so there won?t be undue stress under the bonnet. Simon From: josef-eckert at t-online.de > Sent: 03 May 2023 20:56 To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com ; healeys at autox.team.net Subject: AW: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Spark plugs are designed and tested to be used with the gap given by the producer of the spark plug. When you widen the gap the plug gets hotter as it is designed for and the electrode can melt or wear very fast. Its a very short win you gain modifying them. I never understand why people think they are better engineers and know better than the designers of the system they use. Josef -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-03T21:39:57+0200 Von: "Simon Lachlan via Healeys" > An: "'Healeys'" > I run my MkII BT7 on NGK BP6ES which were recommended by some of the wise ones on this list. The car has a ?Sports? coil and a 123Ignition distributor. DW fast road cam?etc Now, talking of ?recommended?, the rolling road guys told me to set the plugs at 0.028? and pooh-poohed anything bigger when I suggested that I?d heard of much greater gaps with my approximate setup. So, I went with 0.028. The other day, I decided to experiment and set my spare set at 0.032?. Same NGKs, no mileage on them..decent plugs. Anyhow, it made a very surprising difference. All round performance is much enhanced. Despite it?s 3:54 diff and 28% OD, it was never sluggish on our local hills. But now it fairly zooms up them. To be frank, all a bit of a surprise. Not boasting?just putting that out there in case anyone else is thinking of going up a few thou?.. When I asked about gaps a few years back, some of the suggestions were near 0.040?. Surely that a bit much? Simon _______________________________________________ Support Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: Healeys at autox.team.net Unsubscribe/Manage: _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: Healeys at autox.team.net Unsubscribe/Manage: Virusvrij.www.avg.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/austin.healey at gmail.com ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josef-eckert at t-online.de Fri May 5 23:52:39 2023 From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de) Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 07:52:39 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Healeys] Spark plug gap In-Reply-To: <82ECFB65-5D97-445C-B9F6-89C14304EB19@gmail.com> References: <82ECFB65-5D97-445C-B9F6-89C14304EB19@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1683352359837.126037.5bd8cd4a5435c8c605c2e58e7357ebb31c10c5fc@spica.telekom.de> Chris, There are many Australians comming over here to Europe (Norway) for the American/Australian Healey meet with some European cars also talking part. They can test what kind of fuel is used in Norway. Different stuff with usually much more ethanol than here in central Europe. Will be an experience. Josef -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-06T02:32:59+0200 Von: "Chris Dimmock" An: "Kees Oudesluijs" Wow I?m shocked you still have leaded fuel Josef. Because there are a lot more issues than lead. But clearly, your 1960?s spark plugs cope with all of them. Because lead made a difference. But obviously not in Europe Sincerely Chris. Sydney Australia On 5 May 2023, at 7:49 pm, Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys wrote: In extreme cases you may burn a hole in your pistons. Kees Op 4-5-2023 om 21:58 schreef josef-eckert--- via Healeys: Richard, Just do what you want. Its your car, your engine, I do not mind. Josef -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-04T16:10:56+0200 Von: "Ricchardd Mayor" An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" On no! Who knew that gapping your plugs at .032 would ruin your engine. Thank you Josef for saving us. Richard Mayor boyracer466 at gmail.com On May 4, 2023, at 4:43 AM, josef-eckert--- via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net > wrote: Sorry, I am out here. This guy wants to play till the engine is shot. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: RE: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-04T12:45:37+0200 Von: "simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com " < simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com > An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de " > Thanks for that. I?ll certainly bear it in mind. Likewise, I?ll keep a close eye on my engine?s temperature. The latter is quite well protected with a modern rad, all the correct baffles, 5 blade fan plus electronic fan. But, as I said, I?ll keep an eye on it. Someone mentioned that he used ?Iridium? plugs from NGK. I googled them?.horribly expensive. Can they be worth it in our old cars? Simon From: josef-eckert at t-online.de > Sent: 04 May 2023 07:06 To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com ; Healey, Forum < healeys at autox.team.net > Subject: AW: [Healeys] Spark plug gap For me, i prefer Champion plugs plugs to NGK, but that?s a matter of taste. I think both, Champion and NGK, are of similar quality. Matter of taste, as I wrote. But NOT the car manufacturer determines the plug gap, its the plug manufacturer. Definitely the car manufacturer takes this for his specs in the workshop manual. There is to much hype about plugs anyway. I am working as a professional, Elecrtonics and Elecrtrcian engineer, at a big classic car parts supplier here in Europe and I never go away from the given plug gap as set by the plug manufacturer. Austin-Healey engines are not high tech, they are tractor engines and can take a lot of misfit, but anyway BMC knew at the time what?s best to do with them, even its printed 60 or 70 years ago. Some people try to adjust the fuel mixture with a CO-tester. You can do that, but it doesn?t give best results for road use, especially in hotter climates and high above sea level. When you are very good in engine engineering and have all the tools you can try to find some more horsepower in your engine, but you always pay that with some more heat produced, which is not at all good for our old BMC engines. Josef -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: RE: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-04T00:06:58+0200 Von: "simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com " < simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com > An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de " > You may be right. Not sure. Actually I thought that the gap was determined by the car?s manufacturer ie one could expect to find the same plug in two different cars and to find that the recommended gap was not the same for each car. Likewise, the BMC manual suggests Champion plugs at 0.024? to 0.026? and that was some 60+ years ago. I?ve always been told that Champion plugs aren?t the best in the world and I?m sure that a modern NGK can stand a little more heat than the Champions that were around 60 years ago. Anyhow, I?ll keep an eye on them. I?m a pretty tame driver so there won?t be undue stress under the bonnet. Simon From: josef-eckert at t-online.de > Sent: 03 May 2023 20:56 To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com ; healeys at autox.team.net Subject: AW: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Spark plugs are designed and tested to be used with the gap given by the producer of the spark plug. When you widen the gap the plug gets hotter as it is designed for and the electrode can melt or wear very fast. Its a very short win you gain modifying them. I never understand why people think they are better engineers and know better than the designers of the system they use. Josef -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [Healeys] Spark plug gap Datum: 2023-05-03T21:39:57+0200 Von: "Simon Lachlan via Healeys" > An: "'Healeys'" > I run my MkII BT7 on NGK BP6ES which were recommended by some of the wise ones on this list. The car has a ?Sports? coil and a 123Ignition distributor. DW fast road cam?etc Now, talking of ?recommended?, the rolling road guys told me to set the plugs at 0.028? and pooh-poohed anything bigger when I suggested that I?d heard of much greater gaps with my approximate setup. So, I went with 0.028. The other day, I decided to experiment and set my spare set at 0.032?. Same NGKs, no mileage on them..decent plugs. Anyhow, it made a very surprising difference. All round performance is much enhanced. Despite it?s 3:54 diff and 28% OD, it was never sluggish on our local hills. But now it fairly zooms up them. To be frank, all a bit of a surprise. Not boasting?just putting that out there in case anyone else is thinking of going up a few thou?.. When I asked about gaps a few years back, some of the suggestions were near 0.040?. Surely that a bit much? Simon _______________________________________________ Support Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: Healeys at autox.team.net Unsubscribe/Manage: _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: Healeys at autox.team.net Unsubscribe/Manage: Virusvrij.www.avg.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/austin.healey at gmail.com ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healeyray at yahoo.com Sat May 6 00:10:03 2023 From: healeyray at yahoo.com (Ray Juncal) Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 06:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Healeys] Thanks to all! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1976654158.4911937.1683353403114@mail.yahoo.com> Oh, man that's amazing and absolutely well deserved. Now I'm really going to have to drive out to Utah and buy you that beer. Thanks for all you have done over the years.Ray Juncal On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 10:41:04 PM PDT, Mark Bradakis via Healeys wrote: Well, the announcement is now public. https://vintagemotorsport.com/2023/05/04/redman-hobbs-and-levy-among-2023-british-sports-car-hof-inductees/ Thanks to all of those who contributed to my induction into the British Sports Car Hall of Fame.? It is nice that over 30 years of effort on my part has not gone unnoticed.? Thanks to everyone on every list that has made this possible! mjb. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyray at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Sat May 6 02:21:57 2023 From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com) Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 09:21:57 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] Knock knock.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001a01d97ff3$da8a0880$8f9e1980$@alexarevel.plus.com> I got it. Simon From: Healeys On Behalf Of Jim Ryan Sent: 05 May 2023 13:17 To: List Healey Subject: [Healeys] Knock knock.... ..who's there? Please let me know if this is received. Some time ago I sent an email to the list re: a lost Bugeye. I never heard anything back, nor did I see it come up in my inbox. Am I sending things to the right place? Along those lines, I went to the archives to search for it but it looks like the newest things there in any search I do are around 2011, sorting in reverse chronological order. Is there another way to search more recently? -- Jim Ryan ???? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca Sat May 6 05:35:26 2023 From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca) Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 07:35:26 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Knock knock.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <016201d9800e$da6bb6d0$8f432470$@sympatico.ca> Got it From: Healeys On Behalf Of Jim Ryan Sent: May 5, 2023 8:17 AM To: List Healey Subject: [Healeys] Knock knock.... ...who's there? Please let me know if this is received. Some time ago I sent an email to the list re: a lost Bugeye. I never heard anything back, nor did I see it come up in my inbox. Am I sending things to the right place? Along those lines, I went to the archives to search for it but it looks like the newest things there in any search I do are around 2011, sorting in reverse chronological order. Is there another way to search more recently? -- Jim Ryan ???? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca Sat May 6 05:37:05 2023 From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca) Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 07:37:05 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Thanks to all! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <016701d9800f$1594ac30$40be0490$@sympatico.ca> Congratulations Mark - the accolade is well earned. -----Original Message----- From: Healeys On Behalf Of Mark Bradakis via Healeys Sent: May 5, 2023 5:35 PM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] Thanks to all! Well, the announcement is now public. https://vintagemotorsport.com/2023/05/04/redman-hobbs-and-levy-among-2023-br itish-sports-car-hof-inductees/ Thanks to all of those who contributed to my induction into the British Sports Car Hall of Fame. It is nice that over 30 years of effort on my part has not gone unnoticed. Thanks to everyone on every list that has made this possible! mjb. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca From ryan at jimryan.com Sat May 6 05:49:23 2023 From: ryan at jimryan.com (Jim Ryan) Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 07:49:23 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Knock knock.... In-Reply-To: <016201d9800e$da6bb6d0$8f432470$@sympatico.ca> References: <016201d9800e$da6bb6d0$8f432470$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: Ok, thanks. Now, did anybody see an email I sent about a missing Bugeye a few months ago? On Sat, May 6, 2023, 7:35 AM wrote: > Got it > > > > *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Jim Ryan > *Sent:* May 5, 2023 8:17 AM > *To:* List Healey > *Subject:* [Healeys] Knock knock.... > > > > ...who's there? > > > > Please let me know if this is received. Some time ago I sent an email to > the list re: a lost Bugeye. I never heard anything back, nor did I see it > come up in my inbox. Am I sending things to the right place? > > > > Along those lines, I went to the archives to search for it but it looks > like the newest things there in any search I do are around 2011, sorting in > reverse chronological order. Is there another way to search more recently? > > > > -- > > Jim Ryan > > ???? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there another way to search more recently? -- Jim Ryan ???? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ah53 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtwoerpel at gmail.com Sat May 6 08:19:25 2023 From: dtwoerpel at gmail.com (Dave and Terri Woerpel) Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 09:19:25 -0500 Subject: [Healeys] CONGRATULATIONS! Message-ID: Well done Mark! Very well deserved. The unbelievable number of automotive addicts you have reached and made possible countless friendships and contacts is beyond comprehension. All the time, work, expenditures have not gone unnoticed. Does this mean we'll see you at Road America in July?? 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Am I sending things?to the right place? > > Along those?lines, I went to the archives to search for it but? it > looks like the newest things there in any search I do are around 2011, > sorting in reverse chronological order.? Is there another way to > search more recently? > > -- > > Jim Ryan > > ???? > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Nethttp://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/coudesluijs at chello.nl > -- Dit e-mailbericht is met AVG-antivirussoftware gecontroleerd op virussen. www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks to everyone on every list that has made this possible!mjb._______________________________________________Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlSuggested annual donation $12.75Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeysHealeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeysUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/airtightproductions at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From airtightproductions at me.com Sat May 6 09:23:54 2023 From: airtightproductions at me.com (Steven Kingsbury) Date: Sat, 06 May 2023 15:23:54 -0000 Subject: [Healeys] Knock knock.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6e3c1c45-ed49-4cb2-8d9f-c4be1faad355@me.com> Got it!On May 5, 2023, at 5:58 PM, Jim Ryan wrote:...who's there?Please let me know if this is received.? Some time ago I sent an email to the list re: a lost Bugeye.? I never heard anything back, nor did I see it come up in my?inbox.? Am I sending things?to the right place?Along those?lines, I went to the archives to search for it but? it looks like the newest things there in any search I do are around 2011, sorting in reverse chronological order.? Is there another way to search more recently?-- Jim Ryan????_______________________________________________Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlSuggested annual donation $12.75Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeysHealeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeysUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/airtightproductions at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gradea1 at charter.net Sat May 6 10:48:01 2023 From: gradea1 at charter.net (Hank Leach) Date: Sat, 06 May 2023 16:48:01 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Thanks to all! Message-ID: Yes, a paramount achievement-congratulations Mark! Regards, Hank Leach -----------------------------------------From: "m.g.sharp--- via Healeys" To: "Mark Bradakis" Cc: Sent: Saturday May 6 2023 9:24:14AM Subject: Re: [Healeys] Thanks to all! Congratulations Mark - the accolade is well earned. -----Original Message----- From: Healeys On Behalf Of Mark Bradakis via Healeys Sent: May 5, 2023 5:35 PM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] Thanks to all! Well, the announcement is now public. https://vintagemotorsport.com/2023/05/04/redman-hobbs-and-levy-among-2023-br /> itish-sports-car-hof-inductees/ Thanks to all of those who contributed to my induction into the British Sports Car Hall of Fame. It is nice that over 30 years of effort on my part has not gone unnoticed. 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URL: From rchaskell at earthlink.net Sat May 6 13:38:12 2023 From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell) Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 15:38:12 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Knock knock.... In-Reply-To: References: <016201d9800e$da6bb6d0$8f432470$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <6673a3d4-818b-9aeb-5fa7-36bcda940d18@earthlink.net> Jim, Two messages about a shift knob and one happy birthday to Team.net. Bob Haskell Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar On 5/6/23 07:49, Jim Ryan wrote: > Ok, thanks.? Now, did anybody see an email I sent about a missing > Bugeye a few months ago? > > On Sat, May 6, 2023, 7:35 AM wrote: > > Got it > > *From:*Healeys *On Behalf Of *Jim > Ryan > *Sent:* May 5, 2023 8:17 AM > *To:* List Healey > *Subject:* [Healeys] Knock knock.... > > ...who's there? > > Please let me know if this is received.? Some time ago I sent an > email to the list re: a lost Bugeye.? I never heard anything back, > nor did I see it come up in my?inbox.? Am I sending things?to the > right place? > > Along those?lines, I went to the archives to search for it but? it > looks like the newest things there in any search I do are around > 2011, sorting in reverse chronological order.? Is there another > way to search more recently? > > -- > > Jim Ryan > > ???? > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Nethttp://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryan at jimryan.com Sat May 6 15:47:57 2023 From: ryan at jimryan.com (Jim Ryan) Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 17:47:57 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Missing Bugeye Project car Message-ID: function UnPin-App { param( [string]$appname ) try { ((New-Object -Com Shell.Application).NameSpace('shell:::{4234d49b-0245-4df3-b780-3893943456e1}').Items() | ?{$_.Name -eq $appname}).Verbs() | ?{$_.Name.replace('&','') -match 'Unpin from taskbar'} | %{$_.DoIt()} return "App '$appname' unpinned from Taskbar" } catch { Write-Error "Error Unpinning App! (App-Name correct?)" } } What is your role? (If not stated) What is the business outcome you are looking for? What services are you looking for? Who is currently supporting your Information Technology? (Cloud/On-Prem) What is your timeline? Who is the decision maker? Are there any other technology initiatives? Anything planned for the future? A buddy of mine had a Bugeye sitting for years in his garage and offered to give it to me. Well, I had just bought one and no longer have the time or room for a parts car. So we contacted somebody I knew who might be able to evaluate its needs/worth in the event my son would be interested. Long story short the car was towed to his place and it was soon determined it was outside my son's interest and capabilities. So it was left where it was towed to to try and determine what to do with it. Well, things changed where it was stored and when I went in to have some work done on my Bugeye I walked around looking for this project and it was gone. I don't want to get into the details of the circumstances but simply state that I have no reason to believe anything nefarious occured, but that due to the changes in personnel it simply was lost. The owner, my friend, was going to give it to me anyway, so had no interest in it and simply shrugged it off, but I still feel weird as I told him to bring it there. Anyway, those details are not really relevant for my inquiry to the list as I thought, as a long shot, I would put the description out there to see if anybody knows of an acquisition of a project Bugeye. I want to be clear, I DO NOT think whoever has it did anything wrong, I am just really curious as to where it ended up. So, here is what it was: 195x Bugeye No doors, no windshield, crushed in rear deck, (supposedly)rebuilt 1275 and gearbox. Old, probably original white paint. usual rust. No drivable, but did roll. After cursory inspection, the engine did not turn over by hand No idea on the VIN. Would have been acquired from the New England area. -- Jim Ryan ???? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.oritt at gmail.com Sat May 6 17:39:30 2023 From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt) Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 19:39:30 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Knock knock.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <674E2056-C7D9-4AF7-B200-6F070A3B3A8E@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From austin.healey at gmail.com Sat May 6 21:10:26 2023 From: austin.healey at gmail.com (Chris Dimmock) Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 13:10:26 +1000 Subject: [Healeys] Thanks to all! In-Reply-To: <627bffb2-fd97-40a7-ace0-5e73b8fac895@me.com> References: <627bffb2-fd97-40a7-ace0-5e73b8fac895@me.com> Message-ID: <24B3D5A0-8F34-4E69-B278-E2E56C50D7BF@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Sun May 7 02:57:14 2023 From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com) Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 09:57:14 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] HD6 jets Message-ID: <000001d980c1$ec143110$c43c9330$@alexarevel.plus.com> I was a bit startled by something I read the other day. It was to the effect that it's sensible to change the jets in HD carbs every 5 years because the diaphragms harden and leak. Every 5 years? Mine have been in since 2011....I've 3, so it'll be quite a business. Another topic.my copy of Roger's book has arrived. Excellent. Anyhow, the front cover...where was that taken? Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p_cquinn at tpg.com.au Sun May 7 03:18:24 2023 From: p_cquinn at tpg.com.au (Patrick & Caroline Quinn) Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 19:18:24 +1000 Subject: [Healeys] Thanks to all! In-Reply-To: <016701d9800f$1594ac30$40be0490$@sympatico.ca> References: <016701d9800f$1594ac30$40be0490$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <006f01d980c4$e007c050$a01740f0$@tpg.com.au> Hello Mark Congratulations. The honour is richly deserved. Best wishes Patrick Quinn Blue Mountains, Australia -----Original Message----- From: Healeys On Behalf Of m.g.sharp--- via Healeys Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2023 9:37 PM To: 'Mark Bradakis' ; healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Thanks to all! Congratulations Mark - the accolade is well earned. -----Original Message----- From: Healeys On Behalf Of Mark Bradakis via Healeys Sent: May 5, 2023 5:35 PM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] Thanks to all! Well, the announcement is now public. https://vintagemotorsport.com/2023/05/04/redman-hobbs-and-levy-among-2023-br itish-sports-car-hof-inductees/ Thanks to all of those who contributed to my induction into the British Sports Car Hall of Fame. It is nice that over 30 years of effort on my part has not gone unnoticed. Thanks to everyone on every list that has made this possible! mjb. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/p_cquinn at tpg.com.au -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com From coudesluijs at chello.nl Sun May 7 06:22:57 2023 From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs) Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 14:22:57 +0200 Subject: [Healeys] HD6 jets In-Reply-To: <000001d980c1$ec143110$c43c9330$@alexarevel.plus.com> References: <000001d980c1$ec143110$c43c9330$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: <78f033b2-3372-c63d-15b1-0d539094d797@chello.nl> SU and diaphragms???? May be meant for Stromberg carbs? The needle in SU's is not in contact with the jet so if the carbs are set up properly the needles don't wear. Kees Oudesluijs Op 7-5-2023 om 10:57 schreef Simon Lachlan via Healeys: > > I was a bit startled by something I read the other day. It was to the > effect that it?s sensible to change the jets in HD carbs every 5 years > because the diaphragms harden and leak. Every 5 years? > > Mine have been in since 2011????I?ve 3, so it?ll be quite a business. > > Another topic?my copy of Roger?s book has arrived. Excellent. Anyhow, > the front cover?..where was that taken? > > Simon > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Nethttp://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/coudesluijs at chello.nl > -- Dit e-mailbericht is met AVG-antivirussoftware gecontroleerd op virussen. www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kees Oudesluijs Op 7-5-2023 om 10:57 schreef Simon Lachlan via Healeys: I was a bit startled by something I read the other day. It was to the effect that it?s sensible to change the jets in HD carbs every 5 years because the diaphragms harden and leak. Every 5 years? Mine have been in since 2011????I?ve 3, so it?ll be quite a business. Another topic?my copy of Roger?s book has arrived. Excellent. Anyhow, the front cover?..where was that taken? Simon _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/coudesluijs at chello.nl [https://s-install.avcdn.net/ipm/preview/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png] Virusvrij.www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rchaskell at earthlink.net Sun May 7 07:08:32 2023 From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell) Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 09:08:32 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] HD6 jets In-Reply-To: <78f033b2-3372-c63d-15b1-0d539094d797@chello.nl> References: <000001d980c1$ec143110$c43c9330$@alexarevel.plus.com> <78f033b2-3372-c63d-15b1-0d539094d797@chello.nl> Message-ID: Kees, Yes, the HD series carb's jet is attached to a diaphragm. Bob Haskell Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar On 5/7/23 08:22, Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys wrote: > > SU and diaphragms???? > > May be meant for Stromberg carbs? > > The needle in SU's is not in contact with the jet so if the carbs are > set up properly the needles don't wear. > > Kees Oudesluijs > > > > Op 7-5-2023 om 10:57 schreef Simon Lachlan via Healeys: >> >> I was a bit startled by something I read the other day. It was to the >> effect that it?s sensible to change the jets in HD carbs every 5 >> years because the diaphragms harden and leak. Every 5 years? >> >> Mine have been in since 2011????I?ve 3, so it?ll be quite a business. >> >> Another topic?my copy of Roger?s book has arrived. Excellent. Anyhow, >> the front cover?..where was that taken? >> >> Simon >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Nethttp://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/coudesluijs at chello.nl >> > > > Virusvrij.www.avg.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Nethttp://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josef-eckert at t-online.de Sun May 7 07:29:05 2023 From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de) Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 15:29:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Healeys] HD6 jets In-Reply-To: <78f033b2-3372-c63d-15b1-0d539094d797@chello.nl> References: <000001d980c1$ec143110$c43c9330$@alexarevel.plus.com> <78f033b2-3372-c63d-15b1-0d539094d797@chello.nl> Message-ID: <1683466145328.171459.9d6f4d79277d3a92b5b650374278e27d061de689@spica.telekom.de> Kees, SU HD-carbs have diaphragms, better membranes. The membranes eventually crack and break after many years of usage. But that depends very much on the type of fuel used. A friend of mine went on a larger tour of Scandinavia with his Jaguar XJ6 a few years ago and filled up with the E10+ fuel that is common there in Sweden. That was fatal for the carburetor membranes and also for the fuel pumps. When trying to restart after the Winter break, nothing worked on the car. Carburetters, starter (choke) carb, fuel piumps, all membranes werebroken and shot. Josef -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [Healeys] HD6 jets Datum: 2023-05-07T14:46:58+0200 Von: "Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys" An: "healeys at autox.team.net" SU and diaphragms???? May be meant for Stromberg carbs? The needle in SU's is not in contact with the jet so if the carbs are set up properly the needles don't wear. Kees Oudesluijs Op 7-5-2023 om 10:57 schreef Simon Lachlan via Healeys: I was a bit startled by something I read the other day. It was to the effect that it?s sensible to change the jets in HD carbs every 5 years because the diaphragms harden and leak. Every 5 years? Mine have been in since 2011????I?ve 3, so it?ll be quite a business. Another topic?my copy of Roger?s book has arrived. Excellent. Anyhow, the front cover?..where was that taken? Simon _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: Healeys at autox.team.net Unsubscribe/Manage: Virusvrij.www.avg.com ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelsalter at gmail.com Sun May 7 07:46:41 2023 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 09:46:41 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] HD6 jets In-Reply-To: <000001d980c1$ec143110$c43c9330$@alexarevel.plus.com> References: <000001d980c1$ec143110$c43c9330$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: My experience has been that it very much depends upon the manufacturer. When ethanol fuels were introduced in Canada we had a spate of diaphragm failures which seemed to occur after the fillup with ethanol laced fuel. I think the ones which failed were not genuine SU parts. I did not experience diaphragm failures once ethanol resistant diaphragms were installed but others may have encountered problems in recent years as it's some time since I owned a Healey with HDs. Looks like Trail Ridge Road in the Rocky Mountain National Park to me. ??? M On Sun., May 7, 2023, 6:29 a.m. Simon Lachlan via Healeys, < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > I was a bit startled by something I read the other day. It was to the > effect that it?s sensible to change the jets in HD carbs every 5 years > because the diaphragms harden and leak. Every 5 years? > > Mine have been in since 2011????I?ve 3, so it?ll be quite a business. > > > > Another topic?my copy of Roger?s book has arrived. Excellent. Anyhow, the > front cover?..where was that taken? > > > > Simon > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eyera3000 at gmail.com Sun May 7 08:03:38 2023 From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs) Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 07:03:38 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Thanks to all! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well deserved. Bravo On Fri, May 5, 2023, 10:45 PM Mark Bradakis via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Well, the announcement is now public. > > > > https://vintagemotorsport.com/2023/05/04/redman-hobbs-and-levy-among-2023-british-sports-car-hof-inductees/ > > > Thanks to all of those who contributed to my induction into the British > Sports Car Hall of Fame. It is nice that over 30 years of effort on my > part has not gone unnoticed. Thanks to everyone on every list that has > made this possible! > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3000 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com Sun May 7 08:50:44 2023 From: vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com (Jean Caron) Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 14:50:44 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] HD6 jets In-Reply-To: <000001d980c1$ec143110$c43c9330$@alexarevel.plus.com> References: <000001d980c1$ec143110$c43c9330$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: Simon, I don't know if every third year is to be taken at face value but given the amount of driving most of us do with our cars, the quality of gasoline and what is added to it in some areas, I think it is a sensible thing to do. Even modern cars that are driven daily need a fair amount of maintenance, perhaps not as much as what our cars need but still need maintenance at a given interval. The cover photo of Roger's book is from his car which was taken on the Trail Ridge Road in Colorado's Rocky Mountain National Park at an altitude of 11,600 feet. Jean Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada?s largest network. ________________________________ From: Healeys on behalf of Simon Lachlan via Healeys Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2023 3:57:14 AM To: 'Healeys' Subject: [Healeys] HD6 jets I was a bit startled by something I read the other day. It was to the effect that it?s sensible to change the jets in HD carbs every 5 years because the diaphragms harden and leak. Every 5 years? Mine have been in since 2011????I?ve 3, so it?ll be quite a business. Another topic?my copy of Roger?s book has arrived. Excellent. Anyhow, the front cover?..where was that taken? Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From coudesluijs at chello.nl Sun May 7 09:17:01 2023 From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs) Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 17:17:01 +0200 Subject: [Healeys] HD6 jets In-Reply-To: <1683466145328.171459.9d6f4d79277d3a92b5b650374278e27d061de689@spica.telekom.de> References: <000001d980c1$ec143110$c43c9330$@alexarevel.plus.com> <78f033b2-3372-c63d-15b1-0d539094d797@chello.nl> <1683466145328.171459.9d6f4d79277d3a92b5b650374278e27d061de689@spica.telekom.de> Message-ID: <3f6fdfed-25d6-0a54-6fb7-0113f995f90e@chello.nl> But that membrane is part of the jet if I am not mistaken. Nothing to do with the needle. About the fuel: I have used E5, E10 and E15 for many years in a variety of (classic) cars. E15 was available here for more than 20 years until all fuel became E10 some years ago. I have used E15 in my J-H without any problems in the steel petrol tank (winter storage), SU AUF301 fuel pump, DellOrto carbs of any metal or rubber fuel lines/hoses. Rubber parts/hoses have to be renewed once in a while, that was the case 50 years ago and it is no different today. However I do not know the intervals. My SU pump still has the original diaphragm that is now over 50 years old but I replaced the valve seals and the cork membrane under the large domed cover in 2008. The cork membrane may perhaps be the only part that is not compatible with E5/10/15 as I have seen a fair amount of these failing. If it needs attention in the future I would probably replace that with PET cut from some suitably shaped bottle. I rebuild the carbs in 2008 and at the same time replaced the 50 years old rubber petrol hoses and the hoses are still supple and crack free. I have had no problems with E10 or E15 whatsoever, being degradation of rubber parts, corrosion of aluminium carb/pump parts, corrosion in the tank or separation of the fuel. The only thing may have been an adjustment of the idling jets. In our more modern daily cars (my newest car is from 2007) I did not encounter any problems either. Kees Oudesluijs Op 7-5-2023 om 15:29 schreef josef-eckert at t-online.de: > > Kees, > > SU HD-carbs have diaphragms, better membranes. The membranes > eventually crack and break after > > many years of usage. But that depends very much on the type of fuel used. > A friend of mine went on a larger tour of Scandinavia with his Jaguar > XJ6 a few years ago and > filled up with the E10+ fuel that is common there in Sweden. That was > fatal for the > carburetor membranes and also for the fuel pumps. When trying to > restart after the Winter > break, nothing worked on the car. Carburetters, starter (choke) carb, > fuel piumps, all membranes werebroken and shot. > > Josef > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: Re: [Healeys] HD6 jets > > Datum: 2023-05-07T14:46:58+0200 > > Von: "Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys" > > An: "healeys at autox.team.net" > > SU and diaphragms???? > > May be meant for Stromberg carbs? > > The needle in SU's is not in contact with the jet so if the carbs are > set up properly the needles don't wear. > > Kees Oudesluijs > > Op 7-5-2023 om 10:57 schreef Simon Lachlan via Healeys: > > I was a bit startled by something I read the other day. It was to > the effect that it?s sensible to change the jets in HD carbs every > 5 years because the diaphragms harden and leak. Every 5 years? > > Mine have been in since 2011????I?ve 3, so it?ll be quite a business. > > Another topic?my copy of Roger?s book has arrived. Excellent. > Anyhow, the front cover?..where was that taken? > > Simon > > > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Nethttp://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/coudesluijs at chello.nl > > > > Virusvrij.www.avg.com > > > > ? -- Dit e-mailbericht is met AVG-antivirussoftware gecontroleerd op virussen. www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From watterbury at yahoo.com Sun May 7 09:27:06 2023 From: watterbury at yahoo.com (William Atterbury) Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 11:27:06 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Thanks to all! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well deserved, Mark! You?ll probably never know how much the sharing of knowledge has helped the sport. It has kept many old British cars on the road, and for that I am grateful to you and also to the wealth of knowledge of all those on the list! Bill Atterbury 1962 BT7 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 5 May 2023 15:34:32 -0600 From: Mark Bradakis To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] Thanks to all! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Well, the announcement is now public. https://vintagemotorsport.com/2023/05/04/redman-hobbs-and-levy-among-2023-british-sports-car-hof-inductees/ Thanks to all of those who contributed to my induction into the British Sports Car Hall of Fame. It is nice that over 30 years of effort on my part has not gone unnoticed. Thanks to everyone on every list that has made this possible! mjb. From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca Sun May 7 10:26:18 2023 From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca) Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 12:26:18 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] HD6 jets In-Reply-To: References: <000001d980c1$ec143110$c43c9330$@alexarevel.plus.com> <78f033b2-3372-c63d-15b1-0d539094d797@chello.nl> Message-ID: <01e901d98100$a7936c60$f6ba4520$@sympatico.ca> I have not had a problem with the carb diaphragms degrading with ethanol gas although about 8-10 years ago I found a reliable source of ethanol-free gas (Shell premium) which I now use exclusively in all my cars, so now I don't worry about it at all. However, even when I was using gas with ethanol I never had a diaphragm beak down. We on have <10% E in our gas here in Canada, whereas some places in the US I believe are higher. Could that make a difference? I'd have thought (hoped?) that the material they are made of now is ethanol-compatible. Regardless, I think changing them every 5 years is unnecessary. Just my opinion, Mirek From: Healeys On Behalf Of Don Anglesey Sent: May 7, 2023 9:05 AM To: Kees Oudesluijs ; healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] HD6 jets Simon, I never had problems with the jets but those diaphragms do not last long with ethanol gas. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Get Outlook for Android _____ From: Healeys on behalf of Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2023 7:22:57 AM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] HD6 jets SU and diaphragms???? May be meant for Stromberg carbs? The needle in SU's is not in contact with the jet so if the carbs are set up properly the needles don't wear. Kees Oudesluijs Op 7-5-2023 om 10:57 schreef Simon Lachlan via Healeys: I was a bit startled by something I read the other day. It was to the effect that it's sensible to change the jets in HD carbs every 5 years because the diaphragms harden and leak. Every 5 years? Mine have been in since 2011....I've 3, so it'll be quite a business. Another topic.my copy of Roger's book has arrived. Excellent. Anyhow, the front cover...where was that taken? Simon _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/coudesluijs at chello.nl Virusvrij. www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ~WRD0733.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 823 bytes Desc: not available URL: From drtommitch at gmail.com Sun May 7 15:14:18 2023 From: drtommitch at gmail.com (Tom Mitchell) Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 17:14:18 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Thanks to all! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark, I can't say it any better than what has been already said. Congratulation and thank you for all you have done. Tom Mitchell Ann Arbor, MI. On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 3:33?PM William Atterbury via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Well deserved, Mark! > You?ll probably never know how much the sharing of knowledge has helped > the sport. It has kept many old British cars on the road, and for that I > am grateful to you and also to the wealth of knowledge of all those on the > list! > Bill Atterbury > 1962 BT7 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 5 May 2023 15:34:32 -0600 > From: Mark Bradakis > To: healeys at autox.team.net > Subject: [Healeys] Thanks to all! > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Well, the announcement is now public. > > > > https://vintagemotorsport.com/2023/05/04/redman-hobbs-and-levy-among-2023-british-sports-car-hof-inductees/ > > > Thanks to all of those who contributed to my induction into the British > Sports Car Hall of Fame. It is nice that over 30 years of effort on my > part has not gone unnoticed. 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I pulled the grill out of storage to see what it will take to restore to like new. Although the vertical teeth are in pretty good shape in regard to dents and damage, there is much corrosion especially on the sides of the teeth. After trying several levels of polishing attempts, I?m not sure I?m going to be able to restore to acceptable quality. I thought about fully dismantling it so I can polish each tooth, but this could take another 12 years!! Moss sells a reproduction grill for $500.Does anyone have any comments on the quality of the reproduction part? Does anyone have any advice as to repro vs restoration for the grill? Thanks in an advance for any help that anyone can provide. Dave 64 Healey BJ8 72 Jaguar XJ6 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rustyle at comcast.net Mon May 8 06:59:31 2023 From: rustyle at comcast.net (rustyle at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 08:59:31 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Grill restoration VS Repro In-Reply-To: <7733C2A4-0ABA-4DF7-A3BC-D67DF8FBA945@charter.net> References: <7733C2A4-0ABA-4DF7-A3BC-D67DF8FBA945@charter.net> Message-ID: <14ea01d981ac$ee9b1840$cbd148c0$@comcast.net> I used fine steel wool for cleaning and polishing. Worked great From: Healeys On Behalf Of David Masucci via Healeys Sent: Monday, May 08, 2023 7:37 AM To: Ahealey help Subject: [Healeys] Grill restoration VS Repro Hi All, After 12 years and counting on my 64 BJ8 restoration, she goes to paint this summer. I pulled the grill out of storage to see what it will take to restore to like new. Although the vertical teeth are in pretty good shape in regard to dents and damage, there is much corrosion especially on the sides of the teeth. After trying several levels of polishing attempts, I?m not sure I?m going to be able to restore to acceptable quality. I thought about fully dismantling it so I can polish each tooth, but this could take another 12 years!! Moss sells a reproduction grill for $500.Does anyone have any comments on the quality of the reproduction part? Does anyone have any advice as to repro vs restoration for the grill? Thanks in an advance for any help that anyone can provide. Dave 64 Healey BJ8 72 Jaguar XJ6 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmasucci at charter.net Mon May 8 08:16:14 2023 From: dmasucci at charter.net (David Masucci) Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 10:16:14 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Grill restoration VS Repro In-Reply-To: <14ea01d981ac$ee9b1840$cbd148c0$@comcast.net> References: <7733C2A4-0ABA-4DF7-A3BC-D67DF8FBA945@charter.net> <14ea01d981ac$ee9b1840$cbd148c0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: The corrosion on my grill is too deep. Steel wool did not restore the brushed finish. > On May 8, 2023, at 8:59 AM, wrote: > > I used fine steel wool for cleaning and polishing. Worked great > > From: Healeys > On Behalf Of David Masucci via Healeys > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2023 7:37 AM > To: Ahealey help > > Subject: [Healeys] Grill restoration VS Repro > > Hi All, > > After 12 years and counting on my 64 BJ8 restoration, she goes to paint this summer. > > I pulled the grill out of storage to see what it will take to restore to like new. Although the vertical teeth are in pretty good shape in regard to dents and damage, there is much corrosion especially on the sides of the teeth. After trying several levels of polishing attempts, I?m not sure I?m going to be able to restore to acceptable quality. I thought about fully dismantling it so I can polish each tooth, but this could take another 12 years!! > > Moss sells a reproduction grill for $500.Does anyone have any comments on the quality of the reproduction part? 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Worked great > > > > *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *David > Masucci via Healeys > *Sent:* Monday, May 08, 2023 7:37 AM > *To:* Ahealey help > *Subject:* [Healeys] Grill restoration VS Repro > > > > Hi All, > > > > After 12 years and counting on my 64 BJ8 restoration, she goes to paint > this summer. > > > > I pulled the grill out of storage to see what it will take to restore to > like new. Although the vertical teeth are in pretty good shape in regard to > dents and damage, there is much corrosion especially on the sides of the > teeth. After trying several levels of polishing attempts, I?m not sure I?m > going to be able to restore to acceptable quality. I thought about fully > dismantling it so I can polish each tooth, but this could take another 12 > years!! > > > > Moss sells a reproduction grill for $500.Does anyone have any comments on > the quality of the reproduction part? 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URL: From healeyguy at aol.com Mon May 8 08:39:57 2023 From: healeyguy at aol.com (Perry Small) Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 10:39:57 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Grill restoration VS Repro In-Reply-To: <7733C2A4-0ABA-4DF7-A3BC-D67DF8FBA945@charter.net> References: <7733C2A4-0ABA-4DF7-A3BC-D67DF8FBA945@charter.net> Message-ID: Dave Which ever way you go with the grille, do not go to final paint until the entire grille is test fit to the front shroud. Perry Now residing in Conway South Carolina Sent from my iPhone > On May 8, 2023, at 8:36 AM, David Masucci via Healeys wrote: > > ?Hi All, > > After 12 years and counting on my 64 BJ8 restoration, she goes to paint this summer. > > I pulled the grill out of storage to see what it will take to restore to like new. Although the vertical teeth are in pretty good shape in regard to dents and damage, there is much corrosion especially on the sides of the teeth. After trying several levels of polishing attempts, I?m not sure I?m going to be able to restore to acceptable quality. I thought about fully dismantling it so I can polish each tooth, but this could take another 12 years!! > > Moss sells a reproduction grill for $500.Does anyone have any comments on the quality of the reproduction part? Does anyone have any advice as to repro vs restoration for the grill? > > Thanks in an advance for any help that anyone can provide. > > Dave > > 64 Healey BJ8 > 72 Jaguar XJ6 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyguy at aol.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmasucci at charter.net Mon May 8 10:18:28 2023 From: dmasucci at charter.net (David Masucci) Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 12:18:28 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Grill restoration VS Repro In-Reply-To: References: <7733C2A4-0ABA-4DF7-A3BC-D67DF8FBA945@charter.net> Message-ID: Perry thanks for the hint on fitment, I will make sure to take that step. Dave > On May 8, 2023, at 10:39 AM, Perry Small wrote: > > Dave > Which ever way you go with the grille, do not go to final paint until the entire grille is test fit to the front shroud. > Perry > Now residing in Conway South Carolina > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 8, 2023, at 8:36 AM, David Masucci via Healeys wrote: >> >> ?Hi All, >> >> After 12 years and counting on my 64 BJ8 restoration, she goes to paint this summer. >> >> I pulled the grill out of storage to see what it will take to restore to like new. Although the vertical teeth are in pretty good shape in regard to dents and damage, there is much corrosion especially on the sides of the teeth. After trying several levels of polishing attempts, I?m not sure I?m going to be able to restore to acceptable quality. I thought about fully dismantling it so I can polish each tooth, but this could take another 12 years!! >> >> Moss sells a reproduction grill for $500.Does anyone have any comments on the quality of the reproduction part? Does anyone have any advice as to repro vs restoration for the grill? >> >> Thanks in an advance for any help that anyone can provide. >> >> Dave >> >> 64 Healey BJ8 >> 72 Jaguar XJ6 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyguy at aol.com >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frogeye at porterscustom.com Mon May 8 11:23:21 2023 From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P) Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 11:23:21 -0600 Subject: [Healeys] Sprites for sale Message-ID: Las Vegas NM Bugeye and square body Rick Roybal 505-429-3428 Both projects, some extra bits -- Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM. 87107 ph 505-352-1378 My World go here: WWW.PORTERBIKES.COM/ From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Tue May 9 04:08:50 2023 From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com) Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 11:08:50 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] HD6s Message-ID: <000001d9825e$417a96b0$c46fc410$@alexarevel.plus.com> Thank you very much for the replies with regard to my carb query. Once we established that the so-called "Jet" or "Jet assembly" did have a diaphragm or membrane we got going alright. It seems that there's quite a range of opinion..some for changing them, some not. In general, if one might say that the replies addressed the "practise" or practical experience, I decided to go for the "theory" by asking Burlen here in the UK. I've always found them very helpful. This is what they said, in no particular order of importance. 1. Their parts went "Ethanol proof" in 2012. This reflects their worldwide sales rather than their domestic market at the time. 2. The worst enemy of these diaphragms is being allowed to dry out. They go brittle and stiff and don't respond well to being required to function after a dry period. The practise of draining one's carbs before laying up the car for a period is therefore particularly ill-advised. 3. My car is used throughout the year - plainly more in the summer - but shouldn't be subject to drying out. But, having said that, he suggested that "everything wears out in the end" and that my carbs' diaphragms, having been in since 2011, were on or approaching the borderline. 4. Leakage from a failing diaphragm is unlikely to be catastrophic in the first instance. More likely a seepage to start with but which would get catastrophically worse if ignored. 5. I queried whether the springs underneath should be replaced at the same time as, if there is water around, they'll be in it. Unlikely, he said..but, since the carbs are on the bench, might as well do it. They're cheap, so why not? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdavid890dd at aol.com Tue May 9 04:24:47 2023 From: wdavid890dd at aol.com (wdavid890dd at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 10:24:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 16, Issue 109 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <121366202.6001262.1683627887852@mail.yahoo.com> Dave,? ? ? ? ? As mentioned try steel wool but use?a three aught or 3 zero grade. You can get it at a hardware store or lumber supply.Good luck,?Dave Walsh Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS On Monday, May 8, 2023, 7:13 PM, healeys-request at autox.team.net wrote: Send Healeys mailing list submissions to ??? healeys at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? healeys-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? healeys-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Healeys digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Thanks to all! (Tom Mitchell) ? 2. Grill restoration VS Repro (David Masucci) ? 3. Re: Grill restoration VS Repro (rustyle at comcast.net) ? 4. Re: Grill restoration VS Repro (David Masucci) ? 5. Re: Grill restoration VS Repro (Elton S) ? 6. Re: Grill restoration VS Repro (Perry Small) ? 7. Re: Grill restoration VS Repro (David Masucci) ? 8. Sprites for sale (David P) Mark,I can't say it any better than what has been already said.Congratulation?and thank you?for all you have done. Tom MitchellAnn Arbor, MI. On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 3:33?PM William Atterbury via Healeys wrote: Well deserved, Mark! You?ll probably never know how much the sharing of knowledge has helped the sport.? It has kept many old British cars on the road, and for that I am grateful to you and also to the wealth of knowledge of all those on the list! Bill Atterbury 1962 BT7 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 5 May 2023 15:34:32 -0600 From: Mark Bradakis To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] Thanks to all! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Well, the announcement is now public. https://vintagemotorsport.com/2023/05/04/redman-hobbs-and-levy-among-2023-british-sports-car-hof-inductees/ Thanks to all of those who contributed to my induction into the British Sports Car Hall of Fame.? It is nice that over 30 years of effort on my part has not gone unnoticed.? Thanks to everyone on every list that has made this possible! mjb. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/drtommitch at gmail.com Hi All, After 12 years and counting on my 64 BJ8 restoration, she goes to paint this summer.? I pulled the grill out of storage to see what it will take to restore to like new. Although the vertical teeth are in pretty good shape in regard to dents and damage, there is much corrosion especially on the sides of the teeth. ?After trying several levels of polishing attempts, I?m not sure I?m going to be able to?restore to acceptable quality. I thought?about fully dismantling it so I can polish each tooth, but this could take?another 12 years!! Moss sells a reproduction grill for $500.Does anyone have any comments on the quality of the reproduction part? Does?anyone have any advice as to repro vs restoration for the grill?? Thanks in an advance for any help that anyone can provide. Dave 64 Healey BJ872 Jaguar XJ6 I used fine steel wool for cleaning and polishing.? Worked great ? From: Healeys On Behalf Of David Masucci via Healeys Sent: Monday, May 08, 2023 7:37 AM To: Ahealey help Subject: [Healeys] Grill restoration VS Repro ? Hi All, ? After 12 years and counting on my 64 BJ8 restoration, she goes to paint this summer.? ? I pulled the grill out of storage to see what it will take to restore to like new. Although the vertical teeth are in pretty good shape in regard to dents and damage, there is much corrosion especially on the sides of the teeth. ?After trying several levels of polishing attempts, I?m not sure I?m going to be able to?restore to acceptable quality. I thought?about fully dismantling it so I can polish each tooth, but this could take?another 12 years!! ? Moss sells a reproduction grill for $500.Does anyone have any comments on the quality of the reproduction part? Does?anyone have any advice as to repro vs restoration for the grill?? ? Thanks in an advance for any help that anyone can provide. ? Dave ? 64 Healey BJ8 72 Jaguar XJ6 ? ? ? The corrosion on my grill is too deep. Steel wool did not restore the brushed finish.? On May 8, 2023, at 8:59 AM, wrote: I used fine steel wool for cleaning and polishing.? Worked great ?From:?Healeys ?On Behalf Of?David Masucci via Healeys Sent:?Monday, May 08, 2023 7:37 AM To:?Ahealey help Subject:?[Healeys] Grill restoration VS Repro ?Hi All, ?After 12 years and counting on my 64 BJ8 restoration, she goes to paint this summer.? ?I pulled the grill out of storage to see what it will take to restore to like new. Although the vertical teeth are in pretty good shape in regard to dents and damage, there is much corrosion especially on the sides of the teeth. ?After trying several levels of polishing attempts, I?m not sure I?m going to be able to?restore to acceptable quality. I thought?about fully dismantling it so I can polish each tooth, but this could take?another 12 years!! ?Moss sells a reproduction grill for $500.Does anyone have any comments on the quality of the reproduction part? Does?anyone have any advice as to repro vs restoration for the grill?? ?Thanks in an advance for any help that anyone can provide. ?Dave ?64 Healey BJ872 Jaguar XJ6 My grill was smashed in from an accident,? so I could not restore it. I purchased a repro grill from Moss. It worked out ok.EltonBJ7 On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 10:55?AM wrote: I used fine steel wool for cleaning and polishing.? Worked great ? From: Healeys On Behalf Of David Masucci via Healeys Sent: Monday, May 08, 2023 7:37 AM To: Ahealey help Subject: [Healeys] Grill restoration VS Repro ? Hi All, ? After 12 years and counting on my 64 BJ8 restoration, she goes to paint this summer.? ? I pulled the grill out of storage to see what it will take to restore to like new. Although the vertical teeth are in pretty good shape in regard to dents and damage, there is much corrosion especially on the sides of the teeth.? After trying several levels of polishing attempts, I?m not sure I?m going to be able to?restore to acceptable quality. I thought?about fully dismantling it so I can polish each tooth, but this could take?another 12 years!! ? Moss sells a reproduction grill for $500.Does anyone have any comments on the quality of the reproduction part? Does?anyone have any advice as to repro vs restoration for the grill?? ? Thanks in an advance for any help that anyone can provide. ? Dave ? 64 Healey BJ8 72 Jaguar XJ6 ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eps2660 at gmail.com DaveWhich ever way you go with the grille, do not go to final paint until the entire grille is test fit to the front shroud.?PerryNow residing in Conway South Carolina Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2023, at 8:36 AM, David Masucci via Healeys wrote: ?Hi All, After 12 years and counting on my 64 BJ8 restoration, she goes to paint this summer.? I pulled the grill out of storage to see what it will take to restore to like new. Although the vertical teeth are in pretty good shape in regard to dents and damage, there is much corrosion especially on the sides of the teeth. ?After trying several levels of polishing attempts, I?m not sure I?m going to be able to?restore to acceptable quality. I thought?about fully dismantling it so I can polish each tooth, but this could take?another 12 years!! Moss sells a reproduction grill for $500.Does anyone have any comments on the quality of the reproduction part? Does?anyone have any advice as to repro vs restoration for the grill?? Thanks in an advance for any help that anyone can provide. Dave 64 Healey BJ872 Jaguar XJ6 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation ?$12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyguy at aol.com Perry thanks for the hint on fitment, I will make sure to take that step. Dave On May 8, 2023, at 10:39 AM, Perry Small wrote: DaveWhich ever way you go with the grille, do not go to final paint until the entire grille is test fit to the front shroud.?PerryNow residing in Conway South Carolina Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2023, at 8:36 AM, David Masucci via Healeys wrote: ?Hi All, After 12 years and counting on my 64 BJ8 restoration, she goes to paint this summer.? I pulled the grill out of storage to see what it will take to restore to like new. Although the vertical teeth are in pretty good shape in regard to dents and damage, there is much corrosion especially on the sides of the teeth. ?After trying several levels of polishing attempts, I?m not sure I?m going to be able to?restore to acceptable quality. I thought?about fully dismantling it so I can polish each tooth, but this could take?another 12 years!! Moss sells a reproduction grill for $500.Does anyone have any comments on the quality of the reproduction part? Does?anyone have any advice as to repro vs restoration for the grill?? Thanks in an advance for any help that anyone can provide. Dave 64 Healey BJ872 Jaguar XJ6 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation ?$12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyguy at aol.com Las Vegas NM Bugeye and square body Rick Roybal 505-429-3428 Both projects, some extra bits -- Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM. 87107 ph 505-352-1378? My World go here: WWW.PORTERBIKES.COM/ _______________________________________________ Healeys mailing list Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys archives:? http://autox.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Tue May 9 04:27:19 2023 From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com) Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 11:27:19 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] HD6s cont'd & Battery life. Message-ID: <000a01d98260$d6693270$833b9750$@alexarevel.plus.com> Hit the wrong button. Didn?t finish I am too idle to take the 3 carbs out to check the diaphragms out and to decide whether they need replacing or not. And, would I be able to tell anyway? Not sure about that. The issue came into contemplation because I?m going over to the Le Mans classic in June. It?s no great drive about 2? +/- from the port but I think it sensible to sort a few things out first? I suppose that I?ll have to do it! Another topic .my car?s battery is 10 years old. Bought it in France on the Route de Grandes Alpes trip. It shows no signs of its age but then nor did its predecessor before it gave up very rapidly. Didn?t fade away, just died. Any thoughts on that. 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You can get it at a hardware store or lumber supply. > Good luck, > Dave Walsh > > > Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS > > On Monday, May 8, 2023, 7:13 PM, healeys-request at autox.team.net > wrote: > > Send Healeys mailing list submissions to > healeys at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > healeys-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > healeys-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Healeys digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Thanks to all! (Tom Mitchell) > 2. Grill restoration VS Repro (David Masucci) > 3. Re: Grill restoration VS Repro (rustyle at comcast.net ) > 4. Re: Grill restoration VS Repro (David Masucci) > 5. Re: Grill restoration VS Repro (Elton S) > 6. Re: Grill restoration VS Repro (Perry Small) > 7. Re: Grill restoration VS Repro (David Masucci) > 8. Sprites for sale (David P) > Mark, > I can't say it any better than what has been already said. > Congratulation and thank you for all you have done. > > Tom Mitchell > Ann Arbor, MI. > > On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 3:33?PM William Atterbury via Healeys > wrote: > Well deserved, Mark! > You?ll probably never know how much the sharing of knowledge has helped the sport. It has kept many old British cars on the road, and for that I am grateful to you and also to the wealth of knowledge of all those on the list! > Bill Atterbury > 1962 BT7 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 5 May 2023 15:34:32 -0600 > From: Mark Bradakis > > To: healeys at autox.team.net > Subject: [Healeys] Thanks to all! > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Well, the announcement is now public. > > > https://vintagemotorsport.com/2023/05/04/redman-hobbs-and-levy-among-2023-british-sports-car-hof-inductees/ > > > Thanks to all of those who contributed to my induction into the British > Sports Car Hall of Fame. It is nice that over 30 years of effort on my > part has not gone unnoticed. Thanks to everyone on every list that has > made this possible! > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/drtommitch at gmail.com > > Hi All, > > After 12 years and counting on my 64 BJ8 restoration, she goes to paint this summer. > > I pulled the grill out of storage to see what it will take to restore to like new. Although the vertical teeth are in pretty good shape in regard to dents and damage, there is much corrosion especially on the sides of the teeth. After trying several levels of polishing attempts, I?m not sure I?m going to be able to restore to acceptable quality. I thought about fully dismantling it so I can polish each tooth, but this could take another 12 years!! > > Moss sells a reproduction grill for $500.Does anyone have any comments on the quality of the reproduction part? Does anyone have any advice as to repro vs restoration for the grill? > > Thanks in an advance for any help that anyone can provide. > > Dave > > 64 Healey BJ8 > 72 Jaguar XJ6 > > > > I used fine steel wool for cleaning and polishing. Worked great > > From: Healeys > On Behalf Of David Masucci via Healeys > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2023 7:37 AM > To: Ahealey help > > Subject: [Healeys] Grill restoration VS Repro > > Hi All, > > After 12 years and counting on my 64 BJ8 restoration, she goes to paint this summer. > > I pulled the grill out of storage to see what it will take to restore to like new. Although the vertical teeth are in pretty good shape in regard to dents and damage, there is much corrosion especially on the sides of the teeth. After trying several levels of polishing attempts, I?m not sure I?m going to be able to restore to acceptable quality. I thought about fully dismantling it so I can polish each tooth, but this could take another 12 years!! > > Moss sells a reproduction grill for $500.Does anyone have any comments on the quality of the reproduction part? Does anyone have any advice as to repro vs restoration for the grill? > > Thanks in an advance for any help that anyone can provide. > > Dave > > 64 Healey BJ8 > 72 Jaguar XJ6 > > > > The corrosion on my grill is too deep. Steel wool did not restore the brushed finish. > >> On May 8, 2023, at 8:59 AM, > > wrote: >> >> I used fine steel wool for cleaning and polishing. Worked great >> >> From: Healeys > On Behalf Of David Masucci via Healeys >> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2023 7:37 AM >> To: Ahealey help > >> Subject: [Healeys] Grill restoration VS Repro >> >> Hi All, >> >> After 12 years and counting on my 64 BJ8 restoration, she goes to paint this summer. >> >> I pulled the grill out of storage to see what it will take to restore to like new. Although the vertical teeth are in pretty good shape in regard to dents and damage, there is much corrosion especially on the sides of the teeth. After trying several levels of polishing attempts, I?m not sure I?m going to be able to restore to acceptable quality. I thought about fully dismantling it so I can polish each tooth, but this could take another 12 years!! >> >> Moss sells a reproduction grill for $500.Does anyone have any comments on the quality of the reproduction part? Does anyone have any advice as to repro vs restoration for the grill? >> >> Thanks in an advance for any help that anyone can provide. >> >> Dave >> >> 64 Healey BJ8 >> 72 Jaguar XJ6 > > My grill was smashed in from an accident, so I could not restore it. I purchased a repro grill from Moss. It worked out ok. > Elton > BJ7 > > On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 10:55?AM > wrote: > I used fine steel wool for cleaning and polishing. Worked great > > From: Healeys > On Behalf Of David Masucci via Healeys > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2023 7:37 AM > To: Ahealey help > > Subject: [Healeys] Grill restoration VS Repro > > Hi All, > > After 12 years and counting on my 64 BJ8 restoration, she goes to paint this summer. > > I pulled the grill out of storage to see what it will take to restore to like new. Although the vertical teeth are in pretty good shape in regard to dents and damage, there is much corrosion especially on the sides of the teeth. After trying several levels of polishing attempts, I?m not sure I?m going to be able to restore to acceptable quality. I thought about fully dismantling it so I can polish each tooth, but this could take another 12 years!! > > Moss sells a reproduction grill for $500.Does anyone have any comments on the quality of the reproduction part? Does anyone have any advice as to repro vs restoration for the grill? > > Thanks in an advance for any help that anyone can provide. > > Dave > > 64 Healey BJ8 > 72 Jaguar XJ6 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eps2660 at gmail.com > > Dave > Which ever way you go with the grille, do not go to final paint until the entire grille is test fit to the front shroud. > Perry > Now residing in Conway South Carolina > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 8, 2023, at 8:36 AM, David Masucci via Healeys > wrote: >> >> ?Hi All, >> >> After 12 years and counting on my 64 BJ8 restoration, she goes to paint this summer. >> >> I pulled the grill out of storage to see what it will take to restore to like new. Although the vertical teeth are in pretty good shape in regard to dents and damage, there is much corrosion especially on the sides of the teeth. After trying several levels of polishing attempts, I?m not sure I?m going to be able to restore to acceptable quality. I thought about fully dismantling it so I can polish each tooth, but this could take another 12 years!! >> >> Moss sells a reproduction grill for $500.Does anyone have any comments on the quality of the reproduction part? Does anyone have any advice as to repro vs restoration for the grill? >> >> Thanks in an advance for any help that anyone can provide. >> >> Dave >> >> 64 Healey BJ8 >> 72 Jaguar XJ6 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyguy at aol.com >> > > Perry thanks for the hint on fitment, I will make sure to take that step. > > Dave > >> On May 8, 2023, at 10:39 AM, Perry Small > wrote: >> >> Dave >> Which ever way you go with the grille, do not go to final paint until the entire grille is test fit to the front shroud. >> Perry >> Now residing in Conway South Carolina >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 8, 2023, at 8:36 AM, David Masucci via Healeys > wrote: >>> >>> ?Hi All, >>> >>> After 12 years and counting on my 64 BJ8 restoration, she goes to paint this summer. >>> >>> I pulled the grill out of storage to see what it will take to restore to like new. Although the vertical teeth are in pretty good shape in regard to dents and damage, there is much corrosion especially on the sides of the teeth. After trying several levels of polishing attempts, I?m not sure I?m going to be able to restore to acceptable quality. I thought about fully dismantling it so I can polish each tooth, but this could take another 12 years!! >>> >>> Moss sells a reproduction grill for $500.Does anyone have any comments on the quality of the reproduction part? Does anyone have any advice as to repro vs restoration for the grill? >>> >>> Thanks in an advance for any help that anyone can provide. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> 64 Healey BJ8 >>> 72 Jaguar XJ6 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyguy at aol.com >>> > > Las Vegas NM Bugeye and square body > > Rick Roybal > 505-429-3428 > > Both projects, some extra bits > > -- > Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM. 87107 ph 505-352-1378 My World go here: WWW.PORTERBIKES.COM/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Healeys mailing list > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > archives: http://autox.team.net/archive > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/dmasucci at charter.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Tue May 9 08:22:03 2023 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 07:22:03 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] HD6s cont'd & Battery life. In-Reply-To: <000a01d98260$d6693270$833b9750$@alexarevel.plus.com> References: <000a01d98260$d6693270$833b9750$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: <2881cf94-439c-def0-9a5a-f53e8b0524c2@comcast.net> You can test a battery with a load tester: https://www.amazon.com/TOPDON-BT100-Automotive-Alternator-Motorcycle/dp/B07Z67MMGC/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?keywords=battery+tester&qid=1683641685&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzRkFBT1VDTjZYNlgmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA2NTI1ODcyN0ZVNTNMRFQ3R1M2JmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA1NzE0MjNLR0pDTlhCRjJCREEmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl And/or a modern analyzer: https://www.amazon.com/TOPDON-BT100-Automotive-Alternator-Motorcycle/dp/B07Z67MMGC/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?keywords=battery+tester&qid=1683641685&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzRkFBT1VDTjZYNlgmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA2NTI1ODcyN0ZVNTNMRFQ3R1M2JmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA1NzE0MjNLR0pDTlhCRjJCREEmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl ... to get an idea of you battery's condition. However, I just had a battery that would pass fine on both but still drain more quickly just sitting than it should (I had a 60mA current draw). At 10 years old, and a longer, important trip coming up I would get a new one on principle; you got your money's worth on this one. It's hard to beat an AGM, but they're expensive. Bob On 5/9/2023 3:27 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote: > > Hit the wrong button. Didn?t finish???? > > I am too idle to take the 3 carbs out to check the diaphragms out and > to decide whether they need replacing or not. And, would I be able to > tell anyway? Not sure about that. > > The issue came into contemplation because I?m going over to the Le > Mans classic in June. It?s no great drive?about 2? ?+/- from the port > but I think it sensible to sort a few things out first? I suppose that > I?ll have to do it! > > Another topic?.my car?s battery is 10 years old. Bought it in France > on the Route de Grandes Alpes trip. It shows no signs of its age but > then nor did its predecessor before it gave up very rapidly. Didn?t > fade away, just died. Any thoughts on that. I?m not a fan of planned > redundancy but it?s occasionally prudent?? > > Simon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfuller194 at gmail.com Tue May 9 12:45:26 2023 From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 11:45:26 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] HD6s cont'd & Battery life. In-Reply-To: <2881cf94-439c-def0-9a5a-f53e8b0524c2@comcast.net> References: <000a01d98260$d6693270$833b9750$@alexarevel.plus.com> <2881cf94-439c-def0-9a5a-f53e8b0524c2@comcast.net> Message-ID: <017f01d982a6$6c743f40$455cbdc0$@gmail.com> Simon ? I agree with Bob that your next step may/should be to have the battery tested, and would add the following: Don?t forget that starting the car is only half of the battery?s job. Once started, the car will run on the output from the alternator or generator [possibly with a bit of filtering from the battery] ? and the battery is there as a backup so the car doesn?t die suddenly immediately upon loss of generating capacity [or over-voltage, or short-circuit, or other issues?]. As such ? having tested the battery should provide peace of mind! [And if it fails the test ? having a new replacement battery will provide the peace of mind!] ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller From: Healeys On Behalf Of Bob Spidell Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 7:22 AM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] HD6s cont'd & Battery life. You can test a battery with a load tester: https://www.amazon.com/TOPDON-BT100-Automotive-Alternator-Motorcycle/dp/B07Z67MMGC/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?keywords=battery+tester &qid=1683641685&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzRkFBT1VDTjZYNlgmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA2NTI1ODcyN0ZVNTNMRFQ3R1M2JmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA1NzE0MjNLR0pDTlhCRjJCREEmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl And/or a modern analyzer: https://www.amazon.com/TOPDON-BT100-Automotive-Alternator-Motorcycle/dp/B07Z67MMGC/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?keywords=battery+tester &qid=1683641685&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzRkFBT1VDTjZYNlgmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA2NTI1ODcyN0ZVNTNMRFQ3R1M2JmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA1NzE0MjNLR0pDTlhCRjJCREEmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl ... to get an idea of you battery's condition. However, I just had a battery that would pass fine on both but still drain more quickly just sitting than it should (I had a 60mA current draw). At 10 years old, and a longer, important trip coming up I would get a new one on principle; you got your money's worth on this one. It's hard to beat an AGM, but they're expensive. Bob On 5/9/2023 3:27 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote: Hit the wrong button. Didn?t finish???? I am too idle to take the 3 carbs out to check the diaphragms out and to decide whether they need replacing or not. And, would I be able to tell anyway? Not sure about that. The issue came into contemplation because I?m going over to the Le Mans classic in June. It?s no great drive?about 2? +/- from the port but I think it sensible to sort a few things out first? I suppose that I?ll have to do it! Another topic?.my car?s battery is 10 years old. Bought it in France on the Route de Grandes Alpes trip. It shows no signs of its age but then nor did its predecessor before it gave up very rapidly. Didn?t fade away, just died. Any thoughts on that. I?m not a fan of planned redundancy but it?s occasionally prudent?? Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kags at shaw.ca Tue May 9 18:50:23 2023 From: kags at shaw.ca (kags at shaw.ca) Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 17:50:23 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] HD6s cont'd & Battery life. In-Reply-To: <017f01d982a6$6c743f40$455cbdc0$@gmail.com> References: <000a01d98260$d6693270$833b9750$@alexarevel.plus.com> <2881cf94-439c-def0-9a5a-f53e8b0524c2@comcast.net> <017f01d982a6$6c743f40$455cbdc0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001d982d9$68581f20$39085d60$@shaw.ca> Simon: I?m going to chime in here. Battery people will tell you that a conventional lead acid auto starting battery loses about 10% of it?s capacity every year. So after a certain time, they may still be capable of cranking the engine, but not with as much gusto as when new ? and it is constantly decreasing in efficiency. It?s my opinion that after 5 ? 6 years, one has already won that battle, and that anything longer is a bonus, especially over the last few years when battery quality in general has gone down at about the same pace as prices have gone up. Al mentioned peace of mind ? if it were me with a 10 year old battery, I wouldn?t spend money on a load test, better put it towards a new battery. Or at least be prepared to maybe have to do it on the road as you did before. Others may disagree. Re: the carb jets: The advice that you got from Burlen ? and maybe others - is good. The trouble is that it?s impossible to predict when that first jet diaphragm will start to seep slightly, or whether or not it will rapidly turn into a tear that will mean not driving the car until it?s fixed. Personally, I get a bit nervous about my jet diaphragms at about 10 years, but that?s just me. The older I get, the more that peace of mind matters to me ? especially with old British sports cars! Once again, others may disagree. Your call. A little trick: If you ever suspect that a diaphragm is starting to leak, disconnect that carb?s choke system so that the diaphragm doesn?t flex when the choke is operated. The car will start cold on the other carb(s). This gives you a better chance of getting the car home, or to a repair facility. Try hard to ignore any gas dripping very close to your lap. (even closer in LHD Healeys). Been there, done that! Let us know how it goes. Earl Kagna Victoria, BC BT7, BJ8 From: Healeys On Behalf Of alfuller194 at gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 11:45 AM To: 'Bob Spidell' ; healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] HD6s cont'd & Battery life. Simon ? I agree with Bob that your next step may/should be to have the battery tested, and would add the following: Don?t forget that starting the car is only half of the battery?s job. Once started, the car will run on the output from the alternator or generator [possibly with a bit of filtering from the battery] ? and the battery is there as a backup so the car doesn?t die suddenly immediately upon loss of generating capacity [or over-voltage, or short-circuit, or other issues?]. As such ? having tested the battery should provide peace of mind! [And if it fails the test ? having a new replacement battery will provide the peace of mind!] ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller From: Healeys > On Behalf Of Bob Spidell Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 7:22 AM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] HD6s cont'd & Battery life. You can test a battery with a load tester: https://www.amazon.com/TOPDON-BT100-Automotive-Alternator-Motorcycle/dp/B07Z67MMGC/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?keywords=battery+tester &qid=1683641685&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzRkFBT1VDTjZYNlgmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA2NTI1ODcyN0ZVNTNMRFQ3R1M2JmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA1NzE0MjNLR0pDTlhCRjJCREEmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl And/or a modern analyzer: https://www.amazon.com/TOPDON-BT100-Automotive-Alternator-Motorcycle/dp/B07Z67MMGC/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?keywords=battery+tester &qid=1683641685&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzRkFBT1VDTjZYNlgmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA2NTI1ODcyN0ZVNTNMRFQ3R1M2JmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA1NzE0MjNLR0pDTlhCRjJCREEmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl ... to get an idea of you battery's condition. However, I just had a battery that would pass fine on both but still drain more quickly just sitting than it should (I had a 60mA current draw). At 10 years old, and a longer, important trip coming up I would get a new one on principle; you got your money's worth on this one. It's hard to beat an AGM, but they're expensive. Bob On 5/9/2023 3:27 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote: Hit the wrong button. Didn?t finish???? I am too idle to take the 3 carbs out to check the diaphragms out and to decide whether they need replacing or not. And, would I be able to tell anyway? Not sure about that. The issue came into contemplation because I?m going over to the Le Mans classic in June. It?s no great drive?about 2? +/- from the port but I think it sensible to sort a few things out first? I suppose that I?ll have to do it! Another topic?.my car?s battery is 10 years old. Bought it in France on the Route de Grandes Alpes trip. It shows no signs of its age but then nor did its predecessor before it gave up very rapidly. Didn?t fade away, just died. Any thoughts on that. I?m not a fan of planned redundancy but it?s occasionally prudent?? Simon -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healeyrik at gmail.com Thu May 11 07:26:58 2023 From: healeyrik at gmail.com (HealeyRick) Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 09:26:58 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer Message-ID: AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Thu May 11 08:59:46 2023 From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com) Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 15:59:46 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] HD6s cont'd & Battery life. In-Reply-To: <2881cf94-439c-def0-9a5a-f53e8b0524c2@comcast.net> References: <000a01d98260$d6693270$833b9750$@alexarevel.plus.com> <2881cf94-439c-def0-9a5a-f53e8b0524c2@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000001d98419$3b2639b0$b172ad10$@alexarevel.plus.com> Thank you all for the replies. Rightly or wrongly, this is what I?ve opted to do:- 1. I?ve bought a new battery. I could test the old one blue until I?m blue in the face but it wouldn?t stop it from breaking down sooner or later. Probably the former and more probably when I?m half way down some Route Nationale in France. After all, it?s 10+ yrs old. 2. Likewise, I?ve ordered 3 ?jet assemblies? and their accompanying springs. Mine are over years old, predate Burlen going Ecoproof and ? once I?ve got them out for inspection ? why would I put them back in only to start the countdown to their demise again? I am not buying them from Burlen as they?ll be part of a slightly bigger order, but I?m assured that they are definitely pukka Burlen parts! Simon From: Healeys On Behalf Of Bob Spidell Sent: 09 May 2023 15:22 To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] HD6s cont'd & Battery life. You can test a battery with a load tester: https://www.amazon.com/TOPDON-BT100-Automotive-Alternator-Motorcycle/dp/B07Z67MMGC/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?keywords=battery+tester &qid=1683641685&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzRkFBT1VDTjZYNlgmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA2NTI1ODcyN0ZVNTNMRFQ3R1M2JmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA1NzE0MjNLR0pDTlhCRjJCREEmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl And/or a modern analyzer: https://www.amazon.com/TOPDON-BT100-Automotive-Alternator-Motorcycle/dp/B07Z67MMGC/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?keywords=battery+tester &qid=1683641685&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzRkFBT1VDTjZYNlgmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA2NTI1ODcyN0ZVNTNMRFQ3R1M2JmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA1NzE0MjNLR0pDTlhCRjJCREEmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl .. to get an idea of you battery's condition. However, I just had a battery that would pass fine on both but still drain more quickly just sitting than it should (I had a 60mA current draw). At 10 years old, and a longer, important trip coming up I would get a new one on principle; you got your money's worth on this one. It's hard to beat an AGM, but they're expensive. Bob On 5/9/2023 3:27 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote: Hit the wrong button. Didn?t finish???? I am too idle to take the 3 carbs out to check the diaphragms out and to decide whether they need replacing or not. And, would I be able to tell anyway? Not sure about that. The issue came into contemplation because I?m going over to the Le Mans classic in June. It?s no great drive?about 2? +/- from the port but I think it sensible to sort a few things out first? I suppose that I?ll have to do it! Another topic?.my car?s battery is 10 years old. Bought it in France on the Route de Grandes Alpes trip. It shows no signs of its age but then nor did its predecessor before it gave up very rapidly. Didn?t fade away, just died. Any thoughts on that. I?m not a fan of planned redundancy but it?s occasionally prudent?? Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From manifold at telus.net Thu May 11 09:34:46 2023 From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold) Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 08:34:46 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of kit. Harold On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to > mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? > https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email > > Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What are your thoughts? > https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email > > Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From springer.mike51 at gmail.com Thu May 11 12:21:01 2023 From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean) Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 11:21:01 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: After looking at the Dayton web site balancing instructions, these new cones should work perfectly with Dayton wires too.. Mike MacLean On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 10:34?AM Harold Manifold wrote: > It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS recommendations > for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of kit. > > Harold > > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to >> mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? >> https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email >> >> Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They don't need to be centered through the taper > like others. > Mike MacLean > > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:21?AM HealeyRick via Healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to >> mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? >> https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email >> >> Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Atterbury62 BT7 >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 09:26:58 -0400 >From: HealeyRick >To: Healeys >Subject: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >Message-ID: ??? >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to mount >the wheels on a modern balancing machine.? What are your thoughts? >https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email >>Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From llennep at verizon.net Thu May 11 16:00:28 2023 From: llennep at verizon.net (llennep at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 22:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <244863324.779407.1683842428589@mail.yahoo.com> Related to this-------Is anybody out there still balancing wheels and tires while on the car? ?I like that a lot but have no one in my area ?in the past 30 years maybe. -----Original Message----- From: Michael MacLean To: Harold Manifold Cc: Healeys Sent: Thu, May 11, 2023 2:21 pm Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer After looking at the Dayton web site balancing instructions, these new cones should work perfectly with Dayton wires too..Mike MacLean On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 10:34?AM Harold Manifold wrote: It looks like the kit is designed to follow?the Dunlop/MWS recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of kit. Harold On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys wrote: AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine.? What are your thoughts???https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick"_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/llennep at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Thu May 11 16:36:01 2023 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 15:36:01 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Worth the money if you don't have any shops in your area that have the adapter (pretty much most of the chain tire shops). On 5/11/2023 8:34 AM, Harold Manifold wrote: > It looks like the kit is designed to follow?the Dunlop/MWS > recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece > of kit. > > Harold > > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys > wrote: > > AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit > to mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine.? What are your > thoughts? > https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email > > > > Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gradea1 at charter.net Thu May 11 19:55:57 2023 From: gradea1 at charter.net (Hank Leach) Date: Fri, 12 May 2023 01:55:57 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer Message-ID: <9312b5a1115ce1539c0b73b0361441ec135c28e6@webmail> Nobody, anymore unless you get lucky and find an old timer like me. You can try Hendrix Wheel in the South. I laced and balanced my 48 spoke Dunlop wire wheels on a bubble balancer and it worked perfect. Cant find them anymore either. Mine came from a JC Penny sale when they closed the auto shops.Mounted the bias Road Speed tires on a Coates 10-10 which was very soft on wire wheels...cant find them anymore either. Good luck, Hank -----------------------------------------From: "llennep--- via Healeys" To: "springer.mike51 at gmail.com", "manifold at telus.net" Cc: "healeys at autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday May 11 2023 5:11:19PM Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer Related to this------- Is anybody out there still balancing wheels and tires while on the car? I like that a lot but have no one in my area in the past 30 years maybe. -----Original Message----- From: Michael MacLean To: Harold Manifold Cc: Healeys Sent: Thu, May 11, 2023 2:21 pm Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer After looking at the Dayton web site balancing instructions, these new cones should work perfectly with Dayton wires too.. Mike MacLean On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 10:34?AM Harold Manifold wrote: It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of kit. Harold On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys wrote: AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? 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Name: on car 1.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 253168 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kentmclean at comcast.net Sat May 13 04:34:43 2023 From: kentmclean at comcast.net (Kent McLean) Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 06:34:43 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] The Palmen Collection Message-ID: <0DCC8A8F-40B3-4F16-8514-4EF267A8FC05@comcast.net> 230 cars in a "barn find". https://www.hemmings.com/stories/the-palmen-barnfind-collection/ From michaelsalter at gmail.com Sat May 13 07:06:16 2023 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 09:06:16 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] The Palmen Collection In-Reply-To: <0DCC8A8F-40B3-4F16-8514-4EF267A8FC05@comcast.net> References: <0DCC8A8F-40B3-4F16-8514-4EF267A8FC05@comcast.net> Message-ID: The man obviously had no taste. Couldn't find one Austin Healey!! On Sat., May 13, 2023, 6:53 a.m. Kent McLean, wrote: > 230 cars in a "barn find". > https://www.hemmings.com/stories/the-palmen-barnfind-collection/ > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryan at jimryan.com Sat May 13 13:09:01 2023 From: ryan at jimryan.com (Jim Ryan) Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 15:09:01 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] The Palmen Collection In-Reply-To: References: <0DCC8A8F-40B3-4F16-8514-4EF267A8FC05@comcast.net> Message-ID: My thoughts exactly! On Sat, May 13, 2023, 9:21 AM Michael Salter wrote: > The man obviously had no taste. Couldn't find one Austin Healey!! > > On Sat., May 13, 2023, 6:53 a.m. Kent McLean, > wrote: > >> 230 cars in a "barn find". >> https://www.hemmings.com/stories/the-palmen-barnfind-collection/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca Sun May 14 21:07:23 2023 From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca) Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 23:07:23 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000a01d986da$5fcc0920$1f641b60$@sympatico.ca> I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner). I had a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on the inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer on the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a modern balancer. Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so that when the wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the outer cone on the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub. That part is a little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner will end up in two pieces ? measure carefully! Hub and spinner was $25 at a swap meet and machining was $50. I believe this adaptor will work on any post-war wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs. Worked a treat on my TC wheels. Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it alone for now. I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced the drum or disk at the same time ? as long as you remembered to mark the position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (to a different position on the car)! That is likely one reason they are not used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you removed the wheel, you?d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactly the same position. Anyhow it?s a moot point as I have not seen an on-wheel balancer for decades. I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but when I balanced the drums on the TC they were significantly off. I hear balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as my BT7 has always run pretty smooth. If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me. Mirek From: Healeys On Behalf Of Harold Manifold Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM To: HealeyRick Cc: Healeys Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of kit. Harold On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys > wrote: AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st &utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greylinn at ozemail.com.au Mon May 15 01:34:39 2023 From: greylinn at ozemail.com.au (greylinn at ozemail.com.au) Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 17:34:39 +1000 Subject: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: <000a01d986da$5fcc0920$1f641b60$@sympatico.ca> References: <000a01d986da$5fcc0920$1f641b60$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: Here in Brisbane there?s at least one place (near me) that does on-car balancing. The wheels on my 100 don?t have a central hole, so can?t be balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing! Peter Linn Brisbane BN1 Holden V6 MG TC special From: Healeys On Behalf Of m.g.sharp--- via Healeys Sent: Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM To: 'Harold Manifold' ; 'HealeyRick' Cc: 'Healeys' Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner). I had a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on the inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer on the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a modern balancer. Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so that when the wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the outer cone on the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub. That part is a little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner will end up in two pieces ? measure carefully! Hub and spinner was $25 at a swap meet and machining was $50. I believe this adaptor will work on any post-war wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs. Worked a treat on my TC wheels. Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it alone for now. I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced the drum or disk at the same time ? as long as you remembered to mark the position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (to a different position on the car)! That is likely one reason they are not used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you removed the wheel, you?d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactly the same position. Anyhow it?s a moot point as I have not seen an on-wheel balancer for decades. I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but when I balanced the drums on the TC they were significantly off. I hear balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as my BT7 has always run pretty smooth. If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me. Mirek From: Healeys > On Behalf Of Harold Manifold Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM To: HealeyRick > Cc: Healeys > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of kit. Harold On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys > wrote: AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st &utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 17-11-2016b.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 116792 bytes Desc: not available URL: From manifold at telus.net Mon May 15 09:32:09 2023 From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold) Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 08:32:09 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: References: <000a01d986da$5fcc0920$1f641b60$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. I have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of balance they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle shakes so far. Harold On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34?AM wrote: > Here in Brisbane there?s at least one place (near me) that does on-car > balancing. The wheels on my 100 don?t have a central hole, so can?t be > balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing > ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing! > > > > Peter Linn > > Brisbane > > BN1 Holden V6 > > MG TC special > > > > *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *m.g.sharp--- > via Healeys > *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM > *To:* 'Harold Manifold' ; 'HealeyRick' < > healeyrik at gmail.com> > *Cc:* 'Healeys' > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer > > > > I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner). I had > a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on the > inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer on > the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a modern > balancer. Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so that when the > wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the outer cone on > the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub. That part is a > little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner will end up > in two pieces ? measure carefully! Hub and spinner was $25 at a swap meet > and machining was $50. I believe this adaptor will work on any post-war > wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs. Worked a treat on > my TC wheels. Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it alone for > now. > > > > I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced the > drum or disk at the same time ? as long as you remembered to mark the > position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (to a > different position on the car)! That is likely one reason they are not > used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added > weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you removed > the wheel, you?d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactly the same > position. Anyhow it?s a moot point as I have not seen an on-wheel > balancer for decades. I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but when > I balanced the drums on the TC they were significantly off. I hear > balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as my > BT7 has always run pretty smooth. If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants > drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me. > > > > Mirek > > > > *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Harold > Manifold > *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM > *To:* HealeyRick > *Cc:* Healeys > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer > > > > It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS recommendations > for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of kit. > > > > Harold > > > > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > > AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to > mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? > https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email > > > > Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thehartnetts at earthlink.net Mon May 15 12:00:01 2023 From: thehartnetts at earthlink.net (Leonard Hartnett) Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 11:00:01 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: <244863324.779407.1683842428589@mail.yahoo.com> References: <244863324.779407.1683842428589@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: llennep: Do not know your location. There was/is a old-timer who has balanced my front wheels in the past. The location is RITE-WAY Wheel Specialist at 1119 Alpine Rd Walnut Creek, CA 94596 The Other Len 1967 Austin-Healey 3000 MkIII BJ8 HBJ8L39031 ----- Original Message ----- From: llennep--- via Healeys To: springer.mike51 at gmail.com ; manifold at telus.net Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer Related to this------- Is anybody out there still balancing wheels and tires while on the car? I like that a lot but have no one in my area in the past 30 years maybe. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From springer.mike51 at gmail.com Mon May 15 13:43:21 2023 From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean) Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 12:43:21 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: References: <000a01d986da$5fcc0920$1f641b60$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: Lucky for me I am close enough to Nate Jones Tire in Long Beach, California. They do modern tire mounting of course, but they are the go to people for for classic wire, wood water tire mounting. They even can shave your tire round and concentric. Mike MacLean On Mon, May 15, 2023, 8:36 AM Harold Manifold wrote: > Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. I > have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of balance > they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the > separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle > shakes so far. > > Harold > > On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34?AM wrote: > >> Here in Brisbane there?s at least one place (near me) that does on-car >> balancing. The wheels on my 100 don?t have a central hole, so can?t be >> balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing >> ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing! >> >> >> >> Peter Linn >> >> Brisbane >> >> BN1 Holden V6 >> >> MG TC special >> >> >> >> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *m.g.sharp--- >> via Healeys >> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM >> *To:* 'Harold Manifold' ; 'HealeyRick' < >> healeyrik at gmail.com> >> *Cc:* 'Healeys' >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >> >> >> >> I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner). I had >> a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on the >> inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer on >> the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a modern >> balancer. Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so that when the >> wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the outer cone on >> the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub. That part is a >> little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner will end up >> in two pieces ? measure carefully! Hub and spinner was $25 at a swap meet >> and machining was $50. I believe this adaptor will work on any post-war >> wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs. Worked a treat on >> my TC wheels. Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it alone for >> now. >> >> >> >> I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced the >> drum or disk at the same time ? as long as you remembered to mark the >> position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (to a >> different position on the car)! That is likely one reason they are not >> used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added >> weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you removed >> the wheel, you?d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactly the same >> position. Anyhow it?s a moot point as I have not seen an on-wheel >> balancer for decades. I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but when >> I balanced the drums on the TC they were significantly off. I hear >> balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as my >> BT7 has always run pretty smooth. If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants >> drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me. >> >> >> >> Mirek >> >> >> >> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Harold >> Manifold >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM >> *To:* HealeyRick >> *Cc:* Healeys >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >> >> >> >> It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS >> recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of >> kit. >> >> >> >> Harold >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys < >> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to >> mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? >> https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email >> >> >> >> Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tahoehealey at hotmail.com Mon May 15 13:53:30 2023 From: tahoehealey at hotmail.com (Richard Kahn) Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 19:53:30 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: References: <244863324.779407.1683842428589@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Last year,Rite-Way wasn?t doing our wheels anymore. Sent from my iPhone On May 15, 2023, at 12:34 PM, Leonard Hartnett wrote: ? llennep: Do not know your location. There was/is a old-timer who has balanced my front wheels in the past. The location is RITE-WAY Wheel Specialist at 1119 Alpine Rd Walnut Creek, CA 94596 The Other Len 1967 Austin-Healey 3000 MkIII BJ8 HBJ8L39031 ----- Original Message ----- From: llennep--- via Healeys To: springer.mike51 at gmail.com ; manifold at telus.net Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer Related to this------- Is anybody out there still balancing wheels and tires while on the car? 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Bob Haskell Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar On 5/15/23 11:32, Harold Manifold wrote: > Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. > I have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of > balance they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the > separately?balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or > skuttle shakes so far. > > Harold > > On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34?AM wrote: > > Here in Brisbane there?s at least one place (near me) that does > on-car balancing. The wheels on my 100 don?t have a central hole, > so can?t be balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set > of Khumo Ecowing ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing! > > Peter Linn > > Brisbane > > BN1 Holden V6 > > MG TC special > > *From:*Healeys *On Behalf Of > *m.g.sharp--- via Healeys > *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM > *To:* 'Harold Manifold' ; 'HealeyRick' > > *Cc:* 'Healeys' > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer > > I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off > (spinner).? I had a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and > ensure that it was true on the inside edges (where the bearings > fit) and had him put a slight chamfer on the edges to provide > better registration for the standard cones on a modern balancer.? > Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so? that when the > wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the > outer cone on the balancer fits through it and registers on the > hub.? That part is a little tricky as if you machine the hole too > big, the spinner will end up in two pieces ? measure carefully!? > Hub and spinner was $25 at a swap meet and machining was $50.? I > believe this adaptor will work on any post-war wire wheels except > the Jags, which had different hubs.? Worked a treat on my TC > wheels.? Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it alone for > now. > > I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it > balanced the drum or disk at the same time ? as long as you > remembered to mark the position of the wheels when you took them > off and did not rotate them (to a different position on the car)!? > That is likely one reason ?they are not used anymore, because if > your drums were out of balance and you added weights to the wheel > that balanced them out, then every time you removed the wheel, > you?d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactly the same > position. ??Anyhow it?s a moot point as I have not seen an > on-wheel balancer for decades. ??I imagine that disks run very > true anyhow, but when I balanced the drums on the TC? they were > significantly off.? I hear balancing Healey drums brings good > results, but never felt the need as my BT7 has always run pretty > smooth.? If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants drums balanced, > Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me. > > Mirek > > *From:*Healeys *On Behalf Of > *Harold Manifold > *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM > *To:* HealeyRick > *Cc:* Healeys > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer > > It looks like the kit is designed to follow?the Dunlop/MWS > recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good > piece of kit. > > Harold > > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys > wrote: > > AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer > kit to mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine.? What > are your thoughts? > https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email > > > Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation? $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Nethttp://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfuller194 at gmail.com Mon May 15 17:34:04 2023 From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (Al Fuller) Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 16:34:04 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: References: <000a01d986da$5fcc0920$1f641b60$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: Absolutely. The brake drums are likely to be far more out of balance than the tires, if the drums on every Healey I've had are typical. ________________ Best Regards, Al Fuller On Mon, May 15, 2023, 8:43 AM Harold Manifold wrote: > Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. I > have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of balance > they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the > separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle > shakes so far. > > Harold > > On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34?AM wrote: > >> Here in Brisbane there?s at least one place (near me) that does on-car >> balancing. The wheels on my 100 don?t have a central hole, so can?t be >> balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing >> ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing! >> >> >> >> Peter Linn >> >> Brisbane >> >> BN1 Holden V6 >> >> MG TC special >> >> >> >> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *m.g.sharp--- >> via Healeys >> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM >> *To:* 'Harold Manifold' ; 'HealeyRick' < >> healeyrik at gmail.com> >> *Cc:* 'Healeys' >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >> >> >> >> I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner). I had >> a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on the >> inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer on >> the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a modern >> balancer. Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so that when the >> wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the outer cone on >> the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub. That part is a >> little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner will end up >> in two pieces ? measure carefully! Hub and spinner was $25 at a swap meet >> and machining was $50. I believe this adaptor will work on any post-war >> wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs. Worked a treat on >> my TC wheels. Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it alone for >> now. >> >> >> >> I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced the >> drum or disk at the same time ? as long as you remembered to mark the >> position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (to a >> different position on the car)! That is likely one reason they are not >> used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added >> weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you removed >> the wheel, you?d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactly the same >> position. Anyhow it?s a moot point as I have not seen an on-wheel >> balancer for decades. I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but when >> I balanced the drums on the TC they were significantly off. I hear >> balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as my >> BT7 has always run pretty smooth. If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants >> drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me. >> >> >> >> Mirek >> >> >> >> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Harold >> Manifold >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM >> *To:* HealeyRick >> *Cc:* Healeys >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >> >> >> >> It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS >> recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of >> kit. >> >> >> >> Harold >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys < >> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to >> mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? >> https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email >> >> >> >> Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/alfuller194 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From manifold at telus.net Mon May 15 17:52:25 2023 From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold) Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 16:52:25 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: References: <000a01d986da$5fcc0920$1f641b60$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: Bob, I borrowed a balancing stand from the machine shop that did the work on my Healey engine. They use the balancer for large grinding wheels. Pictures attached. I used fridge magnets to statically balance the drum. Kept adding weight and moving around until the drum was stable through 360 degrees. The balancing stand was very sensitive. I weighed the fridge magnets on a small digital scale to figure out how much weight to add and used 1/4" diameter solid lead wire for the weight and glued it behind the rib with JB Weld. Available at any good fishing gear store. That worked for the first drum but the second drum was so out of balance I had to remove part of the rib on the heavy side and add lead weight on the light side. As you get further away from the heavy or light spot there are diminishing returns to adding or subtracting weight. It sounds way more complicated than it was but the key piece of kit is the balancing stand. Let me know if you would like any more information. Harold On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 2:36?PM Bob Haskell wrote: > Harold, > > How did you balance the drums - add or remove material? Care to provide > any details? > > Bob Haskell > Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar > > On 5/15/23 11:32, Harold Manifold wrote: > > Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. I > have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of balance > they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the > separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle > shakes so far. > > Harold > > On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34?AM wrote: > >> Here in Brisbane there?s at least one place (near me) that does on-car >> balancing. The wheels on my 100 don?t have a central hole, so can?t be >> balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing >> ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing! >> >> >> >> Peter Linn >> >> Brisbane >> >> BN1 Holden V6 >> >> MG TC special >> >> >> >> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *m.g.sharp--- >> via Healeys >> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM >> *To:* 'Harold Manifold' ; 'HealeyRick' < >> healeyrik at gmail.com> >> *Cc:* 'Healeys' >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >> >> >> >> I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner). I had >> a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on the >> inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer on >> the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a modern >> balancer. Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so that when the >> wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the outer cone on >> the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub. That part is a >> little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner will end up >> in two pieces ? measure carefully! Hub and spinner was $25 at a swap meet >> and machining was $50. I believe this adaptor will work on any post-war >> wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs. Worked a treat on >> my TC wheels. Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it alone for >> now. >> >> >> >> I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced the >> drum or disk at the same time ? as long as you remembered to mark the >> position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (to a >> different position on the car)! That is likely one reason they are not >> used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added >> weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you removed >> the wheel, you?d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactly the same >> position. Anyhow it?s a moot point as I have not seen an on-wheel >> balancer for decades. I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but when >> I balanced the drums on the TC they were significantly off. I hear >> balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as my >> BT7 has always run pretty smooth. If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants >> drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me. >> >> >> >> Mirek >> >> >> >> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Harold >> Manifold >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM >> *To:* HealeyRick >> *Cc:* Healeys >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >> >> >> >> It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS >> recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of >> kit. >> >> >> >> Harold >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys < >> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to >> mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? >> https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email >> >> >> >> Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > Healeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPhone On May 15, 2023, at 12:34 PM, Leonard Hartnett wrote: ? llennep: Do not know your location. There was/is a old-timer who has balanced my front wheels in the past. The location is RITE-WAY Wheel Specialist at 1119 Alpine Rd Walnut Creek, CA 94596 The Other Len 1967 Austin-Healey 3000 MkIII BJ8 HBJ8L39031 ----- Original Message ----- From: llennep--- via Healeys To: springer.mike51 at gmail.com ; manifold at telus.net Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer Related to this------- Is anybody out there still balancing wheels and tires while on the car? I like that a lot but have no one in my area in the past 30 years maybe. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From drtommitch at gmail.com Mon May 15 18:48:44 2023 From: drtommitch at gmail.com (Tom Mitchell) Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 20:48:44 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: References: <000a01d986da$5fcc0920$1f641b60$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: I sent my drums to Hendrix to be balanced, some of my Healey associates had them balanced locally. Some said I was crazy....lol It's amazing how bad some of the they were out of balance. Some need more materia (welding)l, some less (shaving). Tom Ann Arbor Mi. Bj8 On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 7:29?PM Bob Haskell via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Harold, > > How did you balance the drums - add or remove material? Care to provide > any details? > > Bob Haskell > Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar > > On 5/15/23 11:32, Harold Manifold wrote: > > Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. I > have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of balance > they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the > separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle > shakes so far. > > Harold > > On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34?AM wrote: > >> Here in Brisbane there?s at least one place (near me) that does on-car >> balancing. The wheels on my 100 don?t have a central hole, so can?t be >> balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing >> ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing! >> >> >> >> Peter Linn >> >> Brisbane >> >> BN1 Holden V6 >> >> MG TC special >> >> >> >> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *m.g.sharp--- >> via Healeys >> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM >> *To:* 'Harold Manifold' ; 'HealeyRick' < >> healeyrik at gmail.com> >> *Cc:* 'Healeys' >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >> >> >> >> I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner). I had >> a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on the >> inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer on >> the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a modern >> balancer. Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so that when the >> wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the outer cone on >> the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub. That part is a >> little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner will end up >> in two pieces ? measure carefully! Hub and spinner was $25 at a swap meet >> and machining was $50. I believe this adaptor will work on any post-war >> wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs. Worked a treat on >> my TC wheels. Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it alone for >> now. >> >> >> >> I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced the >> drum or disk at the same time ? as long as you remembered to mark the >> position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (to a >> different position on the car)! That is likely one reason they are not >> used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added >> weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you removed >> the wheel, you?d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactly the same >> position. Anyhow it?s a moot point as I have not seen an on-wheel >> balancer for decades. I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but when >> I balanced the drums on the TC they were significantly off. I hear >> balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as my >> BT7 has always run pretty smooth. If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants >> drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me. >> >> >> >> Mirek >> >> >> >> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Harold >> Manifold >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM >> *To:* HealeyRick >> *Cc:* Healeys >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >> >> >> >> It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS >> recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of >> kit. >> >> >> >> Harold >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys < >> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to >> mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? >> https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email >> >> >> >> Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > Healeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/drtommitch at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roggrace at telus.net Mon May 15 19:04:29 2023 From: roggrace at telus.net (Roger Grace) Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 18:04:29 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: References: <000a01d986da$5fcc0920$1f641b60$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: Me too had my rear drums balanced. A local machine shop with dynamic balancing equipment did this for me - big improvement. See photo of drum after grinding off a substantial amount along the periphery. See also the before and after out of balance readings. Virus-free.www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 4:45?PM Bob Haskell via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Harold, > > How did you balance the drums - add or remove material? Care to provide > any details? > > Bob Haskell > Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar > > On 5/15/23 11:32, Harold Manifold wrote: > > Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. I > have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of balance > they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the > separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle > shakes so far. > > Harold > > On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34?AM wrote: > >> Here in Brisbane there?s at least one place (near me) that does on-car >> balancing. The wheels on my 100 don?t have a central hole, so can?t be >> balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing >> ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing! >> >> >> >> Peter Linn >> >> Brisbane >> >> BN1 Holden V6 >> >> MG TC special >> >> >> >> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *m.g.sharp--- >> via Healeys >> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM >> *To:* 'Harold Manifold' ; 'HealeyRick' < >> healeyrik at gmail.com> >> *Cc:* 'Healeys' >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >> >> >> >> I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner). I had >> a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on the >> inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer on >> the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a modern >> balancer. Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so that when the >> wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the outer cone on >> the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub. That part is a >> little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner will end up >> in two pieces ? measure carefully! Hub and spinner was $25 at a swap meet >> and machining was $50. I believe this adaptor will work on any post-war >> wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs. Worked a treat on >> my TC wheels. Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it alone for >> now. >> >> >> >> I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced the >> drum or disk at the same time ? as long as you remembered to mark the >> position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (to a >> different position on the car)! That is likely one reason they are not >> used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added >> weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you removed >> the wheel, you?d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactly the same >> position. Anyhow it?s a moot point as I have not seen an on-wheel >> balancer for decades. I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but when >> I balanced the drums on the TC they were significantly off. I hear >> balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as my >> BT7 has always run pretty smooth. If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants >> drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me. >> >> >> >> Mirek >> >> >> >> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Harold >> Manifold >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM >> *To:* HealeyRick >> *Cc:* Healeys >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >> >> >> >> It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS >> recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of >> kit. >> >> >> >> Harold >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys < >> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to >> mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? >> https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email >> >> >> >> Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > Healeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/roggrace at telus.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From llennep at verizon.net Tue May 16 08:09:15 2023 From: llennep at verizon.net (llennep at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 16 May 2023 14:09:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Healeys] wheel balancer In-Reply-To: <20230516023252.51657.qmail@server278.com> References: <20230516023252.51657.qmail@server278.com> Message-ID: <1734394935.2853828.1684246155201@mail.yahoo.com> I too found drums that way. ?Of the 6 or so I had on hand at the time all but 1 were not balanced. ?I borrowed a balancer from my mechanic and with 1/4 inch rod and MIG got them nice. -----Original Message----- From: healeymanjim To: healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 15, 2023 10:32 pm Subject: [Healeys] wheel balancer about 30 years ago i bought a cheap harbor freight bubble balancer.? figured it would only last a few years.? still using it and every time i rotate tires i put the wheel on the balancer.? sometimes i have to move a small weight a few millimeters one way or the other.? keeps everything in balance.? my rear drums were quite out of balance and i took them to a crankshaft balancing shop here in vegas and they had to take quite a bit of metal off each one to get them balanced. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/llennep at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From llennep at verizon.net Tue May 16 08:11:22 2023 From: llennep at verizon.net (llennep at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 16 May 2023 14:11:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: References: <244863324.779407.1683842428589@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <908642373.2853085.1684246282893@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Len but I am on the other coast. ?:) -----Original Message----- From: Leonard Hartnett To: Healey Mail List Sent: Mon, May 15, 2023 2:00 pm Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer llennep: Do not know your location.? There was/is aold-timer who has balanced my front wheels in the past. The location isRITE-WAY Wheel Specialist at 1119 Alpine RdWalnut Creek, CA 94596?The Other Len 1967 Austin-Healey 3000 MkIIIBJ8 HBJ8L39031? ----- Original Message ----- From: llennep--- via Healeys To: springer.mike51 at gmail.com ; manifold at telus.net Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer Related to this------- Is anybody out there still balancing wheels and tires while on the car? ?I like that a lot but have no one in my area ?in the past 30 years maybe. | | Virus-free. www.avg.com | _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/llennep at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfuller194 at gmail.com Tue May 16 15:28:08 2023 From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 16 May 2023 14:28:08 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: References: <000a01d986da$5fcc0920$1f641b60$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <030d01d9883d$4f5b0cd0$ee112670$@gmail.com> Bob: If you are wondering about brake drum balancing methods, you may be interested in the two methods used on my Healeys. One shop trimmed off the fins as needed to balance the drums, one needing more trimming than the other ? but they both came out well. A different shop welded rod material onto my current BJ-8?s drums to balance them. I think these drums were more out of balance than on prior cars. They were careful to call me ahead of the operation to ask how much clearance I had between the wheel and drum, and I was able to take them a wheel and hub so they could see how it all fit together. The results are just fine, also. ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller From: Healeys On Behalf Of Bob Haskell via Healeys Sent: Monday, May 15, 2023 2:36 PM To: Harold Manifold ; Healey List Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer Harold, How did you balance the drums - add or remove material? Care to provide any details? Bob Haskell Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar On 5/15/23 11:32, Harold Manifold wrote: Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. I have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of balance they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle shakes so far. Harold On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34?AM > wrote: Here in Brisbane there?s at least one place (near me) that does on-car balancing. The wheels on my 100 don?t have a central hole, so can?t be balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing! Peter Linn Brisbane BN1 Holden V6 MG TC special From: Healeys > On Behalf Of m.g.sharp--- via Healeys Sent: Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM To: 'Harold Manifold' >; 'HealeyRick' > Cc: 'Healeys' > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner). I had a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on the inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer on the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a modern balancer. Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so that when the wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the outer cone on the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub. That part is a little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner will end up in two pieces ? measure carefully! Hub and spinner was $25 at a swap meet and machining was $50. I believe this adaptor will work on any post-war wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs. Worked a treat on my TC wheels. Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it alone for now. I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced the drum or disk at the same time ? as long as you remembered to mark the position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (to a different position on the car)! That is likely one reason they are not used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you removed the wheel, you?d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactly the same position. Anyhow it?s a moot point as I have not seen an on-wheel balancer for decades. I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but when I balanced the drums on the TC they were significantly off. I hear balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as my BT7 has always run pretty smooth. If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me. Mirek From: Healeys > On Behalf Of Harold Manifold Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM To: HealeyRick > Cc: Healeys > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of kit. Harold On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys > wrote: AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st &utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfuller194 at gmail.com Wed May 17 01:23:34 2023 From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 00:23:34 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: References: <000a01d986da$5fcc0920$1f641b60$@sympatico.ca> <030d01d9883d$4f5b0cd0$ee112670$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c9901d98890$7e056050$7a1020f0$@gmail.com> Mike ? I would think that would be the likely explanation for having sections of the drum rim machined off. ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller From: Michael MacLean Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2023 2:47 PM To: alfuller194 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer Al, list, The drums for my BN2 has sections of the raised rim machined off. Does this mean my drums were balanced in the past? Mike MacLean On Tue, May 16, 2023, 2:30 PM > wrote: Bob: If you are wondering about brake drum balancing methods, you may be interested in the two methods used on my Healeys. One shop trimmed off the fins as needed to balance the drums, one needing more trimming than the other ? but they both came out well. A different shop welded rod material onto my current BJ-8?s drums to balance them. I think these drums were more out of balance than on prior cars. They were careful to call me ahead of the operation to ask how much clearance I had between the wheel and drum, and I was able to take them a wheel and hub so they could see how it all fit together. The results are just fine, also. ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller From: Healeys > On Behalf Of Bob Haskell via Healeys Sent: Monday, May 15, 2023 2:36 PM To: Harold Manifold >; Healey List > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer Harold, How did you balance the drums - add or remove material? Care to provide any details? Bob Haskell Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar On 5/15/23 11:32, Harold Manifold wrote: Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. I have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of balance they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle shakes so far. Harold On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34?AM > wrote: Here in Brisbane there?s at least one place (near me) that does on-car balancing. The wheels on my 100 don?t have a central hole, so can?t be balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing! Peter Linn Brisbane BN1 Holden V6 MG TC special From: Healeys > On Behalf Of m.g.sharp--- via Healeys Sent: Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM To: 'Harold Manifold' >; 'HealeyRick' > Cc: 'Healeys' > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner). I had a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on the inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer on the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a modern balancer. Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so that when the wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the outer cone on the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub. That part is a little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner will end up in two pieces ? measure carefully! Hub and spinner was $25 at a swap meet and machining was $50. I believe this adaptor will work on any post-war wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs. Worked a treat on my TC wheels. Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it alone for now. I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced the drum or disk at the same time ? as long as you remembered to mark the position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (to a different position on the car)! That is likely one reason they are not used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you removed the wheel, you?d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactly the same position. Anyhow it?s a moot point as I have not seen an on-wheel balancer for decades. I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but when I balanced the drums on the TC they were significantly off. I hear balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as my BT7 has always run pretty smooth. If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me. Mirek From: Healeys > On Behalf Of Harold Manifold Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM To: HealeyRick > Cc: Healeys > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of kit. Harold On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys > wrote: AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st &utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tahoehealey at hotmail.com Wed May 17 07:58:18 2023 From: tahoehealey at hotmail.com (Richard Kahn) Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 13:58:18 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: <1c9901d98890$7e056050$7a1020f0$@gmail.com> References: <000a01d986da$5fcc0920$1f641b60$@sympatico.ca> <030d01d9883d$4f5b0cd0$ee112670$@gmail.com> <1c9901d98890$7e056050$7a1020f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hendrix welded more material to my drums as needed and it seems to have worked fine. I would not like grinding off material as it might affect the integrity of the drum by making it thinner, effecting the heat distribution and strength. Just some rambling from someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. ________________________________ From: Healeys on behalf of alfuller194 at gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2023 12:23 AM To: 'Michael MacLean' Cc: 'Healey List' Subject: Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer Mike ? I would think that would be the likely explanation for having sections of the drum rim machined off. ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller From: Michael MacLean Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2023 2:47 PM To: alfuller194 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer Al, list, The drums for my BN2 has sections of the raised rim machined off. Does this mean my drums were balanced in the past? Mike MacLean On Tue, May 16, 2023, 2:30 PM > wrote: Bob: If you are wondering about brake drum balancing methods, you may be interested in the two methods used on my Healeys. One shop trimmed off the fins as needed to balance the drums, one needing more trimming than the other ? but they both came out well. A different shop welded rod material onto my current BJ-8?s drums to balance them. I think these drums were more out of balance than on prior cars. They were careful to call me ahead of the operation to ask how much clearance I had between the wheel and drum, and I was able to take them a wheel and hub so they could see how it all fit together. The results are just fine, also. ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller From: Healeys > On Behalf Of Bob Haskell via Healeys Sent: Monday, May 15, 2023 2:36 PM To: Harold Manifold >; Healey List > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer Harold, How did you balance the drums - add or remove material? Care to provide any details? Bob Haskell Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar On 5/15/23 11:32, Harold Manifold wrote: Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. I have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of balance they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle shakes so far. Harold On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34?AM > wrote: Here in Brisbane there?s at least one place (near me) that does on-car balancing. The wheels on my 100 don?t have a central hole, so can?t be balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing! Peter Linn Brisbane BN1 Holden V6 MG TC special From: Healeys > On Behalf Of m.g.sharp--- via Healeys Sent: Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM To: 'Harold Manifold' >; 'HealeyRick' > Cc: 'Healeys' > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner). I had a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on the inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer on the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a modern balancer. Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so that when the wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the outer cone on the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub. That part is a little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner will end up in two pieces ? measure carefully! Hub and spinner was $25 at a swap meet and machining was $50. I believe this adaptor will work on any post-war wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs. Worked a treat on my TC wheels. Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it alone for now. I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced the drum or disk at the same time ? as long as you remembered to mark the position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (to a different position on the car)! That is likely one reason they are not used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you removed the wheel, you?d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactly the same position. Anyhow it?s a moot point as I have not seen an on-wheel balancer for decades. I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but when I balanced the drums on the TC they were significantly off. I hear balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as my BT7 has always run pretty smooth. If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me. Mirek From: Healeys > On Behalf Of Harold Manifold Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM To: HealeyRick > Cc: Healeys > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of kit. Harold On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys > wrote: AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healeymanjim at hansencc.net Wed May 17 11:25:48 2023 From: healeymanjim at hansencc.net (=?utf-8?Q?healeymanjim?=) Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 10:25:48 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] =?utf-8?q?igniton?= Message-ID: <20230517172548.50956.qmail@server278.com> looking for a Lucas ignition amplifier AB 14 or its equivilant. Moss no hab. this is for an MGB belonging to club member. From springer.mike51 at gmail.com Wed May 17 18:11:30 2023 From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean) Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 17:11:30 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: References: <000a01d986da$5fcc0920$1f641b60$@sympatico.ca> <030d01d9883d$4f5b0cd0$ee112670$@gmail.com> <1c9901d98890$7e056050$7a1020f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Don't grind it. Have it machined off. Mike MacLean On Wed, May 17, 2023, 6:58 AM Richard Kahn wrote: > Hendrix welded more material to my drums as needed and it seems to have > worked fine. I would not like grinding off material as it might affect the > integrity of the drum by making it thinner, effecting the heat distribution > and strength. Just some rambling from someone who doesn't know what he is > talking about. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Healeys on behalf of > alfuller194 at gmail.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 17, 2023 12:23 AM > *To:* 'Michael MacLean' > *Cc:* 'Healey List' > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer > > > Mike ? I would think that would be the likely explanation for having > sections of the drum rim machined off. > > > > ---------------- > > All the best, > > > > Al Fuller > > > > *From:* Michael MacLean > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2023 2:47 PM > *To:* alfuller194 at gmail.com > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer > > > > Al, list, > > The drums for my BN2 has sections of the raised rim machined off. > Does this mean my drums were balanced in the past? > > Mike MacLean > > > > On Tue, May 16, 2023, 2:30 PM wrote: > > Bob: If you are wondering about brake drum balancing methods, you may be > interested in the two methods used on my Healeys. > > > > One shop trimmed off the fins as needed to balance the drums, one needing > more trimming than the other ? but they both came out well. > > > > A different shop welded rod material onto my current BJ-8?s drums to > balance them. I think these drums were more out of balance than on prior > cars. They were careful to call me ahead of the operation to ask how much > clearance I had between the wheel and drum, and I was able to take them a > wheel and hub so they could see how it all fit together. The results are > just fine, also. > > ---------------- > > All the best, > > > > Al Fuller > > > > *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Bob > Haskell via Healeys > *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 2:36 PM > *To:* Harold Manifold ; Healey List < > healeys at autox.team.net> > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer > > > > Harold, > > How did you balance the drums - add or remove material? Care to provide > any details? > > Bob Haskell > > Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar > > On 5/15/23 11:32, Harold Manifold wrote: > > Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. I > have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of balance > they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the > separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle > shakes so far. > > > > Harold > > > > On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34?AM wrote: > > Here in Brisbane there?s at least one place (near me) that does on-car > balancing. The wheels on my 100 don?t have a central hole, so can?t be > balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing > ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing! > > > > Peter Linn > > Brisbane > > BN1 Holden V6 > > MG TC special > > > > *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *m.g.sharp--- > via Healeys > *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM > *To:* 'Harold Manifold' ; 'HealeyRick' < > healeyrik at gmail.com> > *Cc:* 'Healeys' > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer > > > > I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner). I had > a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on the > inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer on > the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a modern > balancer. Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so that when the > wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the outer cone on > the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub. That part is a > little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner will end up > in two pieces ? measure carefully! Hub and spinner was $25 at a swap meet > and machining was $50. I believe this adaptor will work on any post-war > wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs. Worked a treat on > my TC wheels. Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it alone for > now. > > > > I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced the > drum or disk at the same time ? as long as you remembered to mark the > position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (to a > different position on the car)! That is likely one reason they are not > used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added > weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you removed > the wheel, you?d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactly the same > position. Anyhow it?s a moot point as I have not seen an on-wheel > balancer for decades. I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but when > I balanced the drums on the TC they were significantly off. I hear > balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as my > BT7 has always run pretty smooth. If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants > drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me. > > > > Mirek > > > > *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Harold > Manifold > *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM > *To:* HealeyRick > *Cc:* Healeys > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer > > > > It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS recommendations > for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of kit. > > > > Harold > > > > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > > AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to > mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? > https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email > > > > Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > > > Healeys at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healey.nut at gmail.com Wed May 17 20:54:05 2023 From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist) Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 10:54:05 +0800 Subject: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: References: <000a01d986da$5fcc0920$1f641b60$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: Wow!!! On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 11:47?AM Roger Grace wrote: > Me too had my rear drums balanced. > A local machine shop with dynamic balancing equipment did this for me - > big improvement. > See photo of drum after grinding off a substantial amount along the > periphery. > See also the before and after out of balance readings. > > > > Virus-free.www.avg.com > > <#m_5187204216164845277_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 4:45?PM Bob Haskell via Healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Harold, >> >> How did you balance the drums - add or remove material? Care to provide >> any details? >> >> Bob Haskell >> Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar >> >> On 5/15/23 11:32, Harold Manifold wrote: >> >> Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. I >> have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of balance >> they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the >> separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle >> shakes so far. >> >> Harold >> >> On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34?AM wrote: >> >>> Here in Brisbane there?s at least one place (near me) that does on-car >>> balancing. The wheels on my 100 don?t have a central hole, so can?t be >>> balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing >>> ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing! >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter Linn >>> >>> Brisbane >>> >>> BN1 Holden V6 >>> >>> MG TC special >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *m.g.sharp--- >>> via Healeys >>> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM >>> *To:* 'Harold Manifold' ; 'HealeyRick' < >>> healeyrik at gmail.com> >>> *Cc:* 'Healeys' >>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> >>> >>> I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner). I >>> had a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on >>> the inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer >>> on the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a >>> modern balancer. Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so that >>> when the wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the >>> outer cone on the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub. That >>> part is a little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner >>> will end up in two pieces ? measure carefully! Hub and spinner was $25 at >>> a swap meet and machining was $50. I believe this adaptor will work on any >>> post-war wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs. Worked a >>> treat on my TC wheels. Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it >>> alone for now. >>> >>> >>> >>> I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced the >>> drum or disk at the same time ? as long as you remembered to mark the >>> position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (to a >>> different position on the car)! That is likely one reason they are not >>> used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added >>> weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you removed >>> the wheel, you?d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactly the same >>> position. Anyhow it?s a moot point as I have not seen an on-wheel >>> balancer for decades. I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but when >>> I balanced the drums on the TC they were significantly off. I hear >>> balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as my >>> BT7 has always run pretty smooth. If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants >>> drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me. >>> >>> >>> >>> Mirek >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Harold >>> Manifold >>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM >>> *To:* HealeyRick >>> *Cc:* Healeys >>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> >>> >>> It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS >>> recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of >>> kit. >>> >>> >>> >>> Harold >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys < >>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: >>> >>> AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to >>> mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? >>> https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email >>> >>> >>> >>> Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >>> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> Healeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/roggrace at telus.net >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelsalter at gmail.com Wed May 17 20:55:05 2023 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 22:55:05 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: References: <000a01d986da$5fcc0920$1f641b60$@sympatico.ca> <030d01d9883d$4f5b0cd0$ee112670$@gmail.com> <1c9901d98890$7e056050$7a1020f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: With all this noise about balancing brake drums I thought I had better take a look at the ones on my BN2. I'm in the process if machining them back to balance now. Bit of a task on my 12" lathe but it's happening. On Wed., May 17, 2023, 8:46 p.m. Michael MacLean via Healeys, < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Don't grind it. Have it machined off. > Mike MacLean > > On Wed, May 17, 2023, 6:58 AM Richard Kahn > wrote: > >> Hendrix welded more material to my drums as needed and it seems to have >> worked fine. I would not like grinding off material as it might affect the >> integrity of the drum by making it thinner, effecting the heat distribution >> and strength. Just some rambling from someone who doesn't know what he is >> talking about. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Healeys on behalf of >> alfuller194 at gmail.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 17, 2023 12:23 AM >> *To:* 'Michael MacLean' >> *Cc:* 'Healey List' >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer >> >> >> Mike ? I would think that would be the likely explanation for having >> sections of the drum rim machined off. >> >> >> >> ---------------- >> >> All the best, >> >> >> >> Al Fuller >> >> >> >> *From:* Michael MacLean >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2023 2:47 PM >> *To:* alfuller194 at gmail.com >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer >> >> >> >> Al, list, >> >> The drums for my BN2 has sections of the raised rim machined off. >> Does this mean my drums were balanced in the past? >> >> Mike MacLean >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 16, 2023, 2:30 PM wrote: >> >> Bob: If you are wondering about brake drum balancing methods, you may be >> interested in the two methods used on my Healeys. >> >> >> >> One shop trimmed off the fins as needed to balance the drums, one needing >> more trimming than the other ? but they both came out well. >> >> >> >> A different shop welded rod material onto my current BJ-8?s drums to >> balance them. I think these drums were more out of balance than on prior >> cars. They were careful to call me ahead of the operation to ask how much >> clearance I had between the wheel and drum, and I was able to take them a >> wheel and hub so they could see how it all fit together. The results are >> just fine, also. >> >> ---------------- >> >> All the best, >> >> >> >> Al Fuller >> >> >> >> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Bob >> Haskell via Healeys >> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 2:36 PM >> *To:* Harold Manifold ; Healey List < >> healeys at autox.team.net> >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >> >> >> >> Harold, >> >> How did you balance the drums - add or remove material? Care to provide >> any details? >> >> Bob Haskell >> >> Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar >> >> On 5/15/23 11:32, Harold Manifold wrote: >> >> Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. I >> have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of balance >> they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the >> separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle >> shakes so far. >> >> >> >> Harold >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34?AM wrote: >> >> Here in Brisbane there?s at least one place (near me) that does on-car >> balancing. The wheels on my 100 don?t have a central hole, so can?t be >> balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing >> ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing! >> >> >> >> Peter Linn >> >> Brisbane >> >> BN1 Holden V6 >> >> MG TC special >> >> >> >> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *m.g.sharp--- >> via Healeys >> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM >> *To:* 'Harold Manifold' ; 'HealeyRick' < >> healeyrik at gmail.com> >> *Cc:* 'Healeys' >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >> >> >> >> I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner). I had >> a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on the >> inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer on >> the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a modern >> balancer. Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so that when the >> wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the outer cone on >> the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub. That part is a >> little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner will end up >> in two pieces ? measure carefully! Hub and spinner was $25 at a swap meet >> and machining was $50. I believe this adaptor will work on any post-war >> wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs. Worked a treat on >> my TC wheels. Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it alone for >> now. >> >> >> >> I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced the >> drum or disk at the same time ? as long as you remembered to mark the >> position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (to a >> different position on the car)! That is likely one reason they are not >> used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added >> weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you removed >> the wheel, you?d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactly the same >> position. Anyhow it?s a moot point as I have not seen an on-wheel >> balancer for decades. I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but when >> I balanced the drums on the TC they were significantly off. I hear >> balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as my >> BT7 has always run pretty smooth. If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants >> drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me. >> >> >> >> Mirek >> >> >> >> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Harold >> Manifold >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM >> *To:* HealeyRick >> *Cc:* Healeys >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >> >> >> >> It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS >> recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of >> kit. >> >> >> >> Harold >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys < >> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to >> mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? >> https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email >> >> >> >> Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boyracer466 at gmail.com Thu May 18 10:10:04 2023 From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (richard mayor) Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 09:10:04 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: References: <000a01d986da$5fcc0920$1f641b60$@sympatico.ca> <030d01d9883d$4f5b0cd0$ee112670$@gmail.com> <1c9901d98890$7e056050$7a1020f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Use an angle grinder with a cut off wheel Richard Mayor boyracer466 at gmail.com > On May 17, 2023, at 7:55 PM, Michael Salter via Healeys wrote: > > With all this noise about balancing brake drums I thought I had better take a look at the ones on my BN2. > I'm in the process if machining them back to balance now. > Bit of a task on my 12" lathe but it's happening. > > On Wed., May 17, 2023, 8:46 p.m. Michael MacLean via Healeys, > wrote: >> Don't grind it. Have it machined off. >> Mike MacLean >> >> On Wed, May 17, 2023, 6:58 AM Richard Kahn > wrote: >>> Hendrix welded more material to my drums as needed and it seems to have worked fine. I would not like grinding off material as it might affect the integrity of the drum by making it thinner, effecting the heat distribution and strength. Just some rambling from someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. >>> >>> From: Healeys > on behalf of alfuller194 at gmail.com > >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2023 12:23 AM >>> To: 'Michael MacLean' > >>> Cc: 'Healey List' > >>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> Mike ? I would think that would be the likely explanation for having sections of the drum rim machined off. >>> >>> ---------------- >>> All the best, >>> >>> Al Fuller >>> >>> From: Michael MacLean > >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2023 2:47 PM >>> To: alfuller194 at gmail.com >>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> Al, list, >>> The drums for my BN2 has sections of the raised rim machined off. Does this mean my drums were balanced in the past? >>> Mike MacLean >>> >>> On Tue, May 16, 2023, 2:30 PM > wrote: >>> Bob: If you are wondering about brake drum balancing methods, you may be interested in the two methods used on my Healeys. >>> >>> One shop trimmed off the fins as needed to balance the drums, one needing more trimming than the other ? but they both came out well. >>> >>> A different shop welded rod material onto my current BJ-8?s drums to balance them. I think these drums were more out of balance than on prior cars. They were careful to call me ahead of the operation to ask how much clearance I had between the wheel and drum, and I was able to take them a wheel and hub so they could see how it all fit together. The results are just fine, also. >>> ---------------- >>> All the best, >>> >>> Al Fuller >>> >>> From: Healeys > On Behalf Of Bob Haskell via Healeys >>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2023 2:36 PM >>> To: Harold Manifold >; Healey List > >>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> Harold, >>> >>> How did you balance the drums - add or remove material? Care to provide any details? >>> >>> Bob Haskell >>> Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar >>> On 5/15/23 11:32, Harold Manifold wrote: >>> Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. I have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of balance they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle shakes so far. >>> >>> Harold >>> >>> On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34?AM > wrote: >>> Here in Brisbane there?s at least one place (near me) that does on-car balancing. The wheels on my 100 don?t have a central hole, so can?t be balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing! >>> >>> Peter Linn >>> Brisbane >>> BN1 Holden V6 >>> MG TC special >>> >>> From: Healeys > On Behalf Of m.g.sharp--- via Healeys >>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM >>> To: 'Harold Manifold' >; 'HealeyRick' > >>> Cc: 'Healeys' > >>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner). I had a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on the inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer on the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a modern balancer. Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so that when the wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the outer cone on the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub. That part is a little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner will end up in two pieces ? measure carefully! Hub and spinner was $25 at a swap meet and machining was $50. I believe this adaptor will work on any post-war wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs. Worked a treat on my TC wheels. Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it alone for now. >>> >>> I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced the drum or disk at the same time ? as long as you remembered to mark the position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (to a different position on the car)! That is likely one reason they are not used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you removed the wheel, you?d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactly the same position. Anyhow it?s a moot point as I have not seen an on-wheel balancer for decades. I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but when I balanced the drums on the TC they were significantly off. I hear balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as my BT7 has always run pretty smooth. If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me. >>> >>> Mirek >>> >>> From: Healeys > On Behalf Of Harold Manifold >>> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM >>> To: HealeyRick > >>> Cc: Healeys > >>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of kit. >>> >>> Harold >>> >>> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys > wrote: >>> AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email >>> >>> Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeyshttp://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/boyracer466 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It?s not that I don?t care, it?s just I?d like to know if anyone has heard of that happening at the factory. Bob, 61BT7. Sent from my iPhone > On May 17, 2023, at 8:32 PM, Michael Salter via Healeys wrote: > > ? > With all this noise about balancing brake drums I thought I had better take a look at the ones on my BN2. > I'm in the process if machining them back to balance now. > Bit of a task on my 12" lathe but it's happening. > >> On Wed., May 17, 2023, 8:46 p.m. Michael MacLean via Healeys, wrote: >> Don't grind it. Have it machined off. >> Mike MacLean >> >>> On Wed, May 17, 2023, 6:58 AM Richard Kahn wrote: >>> Hendrix welded more material to my drums as needed and it seems to have worked fine. I would not like grinding off material as it might affect the integrity of the drum by making it thinner, effecting the heat distribution and strength. Just some rambling from someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. >>> >>> From: Healeys on behalf of alfuller194 at gmail.com >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2023 12:23 AM >>> To: 'Michael MacLean' >>> Cc: 'Healey List' >>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> Mike ? I would think that would be the likely explanation for having sections of the drum rim machined off. >>> >>> ---------------- >>> All the best, >>> >>> Al Fuller >>> >>> From: Michael MacLean >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2023 2:47 PM >>> To: alfuller194 at gmail.com >>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> Al, list, >>> The drums for my BN2 has sections of the raised rim machined off. Does this mean my drums were balanced in the past? >>> Mike MacLean >>> >>> On Tue, May 16, 2023, 2:30 PM wrote: >>> Bob: If you are wondering about brake drum balancing methods, you may be interested in the two methods used on my Healeys. >>> >>> One shop trimmed off the fins as needed to balance the drums, one needing more trimming than the other ? but they both came out well. >>> >>> A different shop welded rod material onto my current BJ-8?s drums to balance them. I think these drums were more out of balance than on prior cars. They were careful to call me ahead of the operation to ask how much clearance I had between the wheel and drum, and I was able to take them a wheel and hub so they could see how it all fit together. The results are just fine, also. >>> ---------------- >>> All the best, >>> >>> Al Fuller >>> >>> From: Healeys On Behalf Of Bob Haskell via Healeys >>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2023 2:36 PM >>> To: Harold Manifold ; Healey List >>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> Harold, >>> >>> How did you balance the drums - add or remove material? Care to provide any details? >>> >>> Bob Haskell >>> Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar >>> On 5/15/23 11:32, Harold Manifold wrote: >>> Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. I have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of balance they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle shakes so far. >>> >>> Harold >>> >>> On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34?AM wrote: >>> Here in Brisbane there?s at least one place (near me) that does on-car balancing. The wheels on my 100 don?t have a central hole, so can?t be balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing! >>> >>> Peter Linn >>> Brisbane >>> BN1 Holden V6 >>> MG TC special >>> >>> From: Healeys On Behalf Of m.g.sharp--- via Healeys >>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM >>> To: 'Harold Manifold' ; 'HealeyRick' >>> Cc: 'Healeys' >>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner). I had a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on the inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer on the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a modern balancer. Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so that when the wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the outer cone on the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub. That part is a little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner will end up in two pieces ? measure carefully! Hub and spinner was $25 at a swap meet and machining was $50. I believe this adaptor will work on any post-war wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs. Worked a treat on my TC wheels. Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it alone for now. >>> >>> I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced the drum or disk at the same time ? as long as you remembered to mark the position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (to a different position on the car)! That is likely one reason they are not used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you removed the wheel, you?d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactly the same position. Anyhow it?s a moot point as I have not seen an on-wheel balancer for decades. I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but when I balanced the drums on the TC they were significantly off. I hear balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as my BT7 has always run pretty smooth. If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me. >>> >>> Mirek >>> >>> From: Healeys On Behalf Of Harold Manifold >>> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM >>> To: HealeyRick >>> Cc: Healeys >>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of kit. >>> >>> Harold >>> >>> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys wrote: >>> AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email >>> >>> Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rd_parker at juno.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josef-eckert at t-online.de Fri May 19 00:03:16 2023 From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de) Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 08:03:16 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1684476196705.859805.8c1129243adc2ab7d9e7812bfe436e364d9aa1e0@spica.telekom.de> Good question Bob! I doubt they have done it and the cars were running anyway. Thanks, Josef -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer Datum: 2023-05-19T07:56:40+0200 Von: "Robert Parker via Healeys" An: "Michael Salter" Has anyone bothered to check whether the factory ever balanced the drums or even worried about it? It?s not that I don?t care, it?s just I?d like to know if anyone has heard of that happening at the factory. Bob, 61BT7. Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2023, at 8:32 PM, Michael Salter via Healeys wrote: With all this noise about balancing brake drums I thought I had better take a look at the ones on my BN2. I'm in the process if machining them back to balance now. Bit of a task on my 12" lathe but it's happening. On Wed., May 17, 2023, 8:46 p.m. Michael MacLean via Healeys, < healeys at autox.team.net > wrote: Don't grind it. Have it machined off. Mike MacLean On Wed, May 17, 2023, 6:58 AM Richard Kahn > wrote: Hendrix welded more material to my drums as needed and it seems to have worked fine. I would not like grinding off material as it might affect the integrity of the drum by making it thinner, effecting the heat distribution and strength. Just some rambling from someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. ---------------------------------------------------------------- From: Healeys > on behalf of alfuller194 at gmail.com < alfuller194 at gmail.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2023 12:23 AM To: 'Michael MacLean' > Cc: 'Healey List' > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer Mike ? I would think that would be the likely explanation for having sections of the drum rim machined off. ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller From: Michael MacLean > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2023 2:47 PM To: alfuller194 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer Al, list, The drums for my BN2 has sections of the raised rim machined off. Does this mean my drums were balanced in the past? Mike MacLean On Tue, May 16, 2023, 2:30 PM > wrote: Bob: If you are wondering about brake drum balancing methods, you may be interested in the two methods used on my Healeys. One shop trimmed off the fins as needed to balance the drums, one needing more trimming than the other ? but they both came out well. A different shop welded rod material onto my current BJ-8?s drums to balance them. I think these drums were more out of balance than on prior cars. They were careful to call me ahead of the operation to ask how much clearance I had between the wheel and drum, and I was able to take them a wheel and hub so they could see how it all fit together. The results are just fine, also. ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller From: Healeys > On Behalf Of Bob Haskell via Healeys Sent: Monday, May 15, 2023 2:36 PM To: Harold Manifold >; Healey List < healeys at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer Harold, How did you balance the drums - add or remove material? Care to provide any details? Bob Haskell Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar On 5/15/23 11:32, Harold Manifold wrote: Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. I have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of balance they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle shakes so far. Harold On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34?AM > wrote: Here in Brisbane there?s at least one place (near me) that does on-car balancing. The wheels on my 100 don?t have a central hole, so can?t be balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing! Peter Linn Brisbane BN1 Holden V6 MG TC special From: Healeys > On Behalf Of m.g.sharp--- via Healeys Sent: Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM To: 'Harold Manifold' >; 'HealeyRick' < healeyrik at gmail.com > Cc: 'Healeys' > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner). I had a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on the inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer on the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a modern balancer. Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so that when the wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the outer cone on the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub. That part is a little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner will end up in two pieces ? measure carefully! Hub and spinner was $25 at a swap meet and machining was $50. I believe this adaptor will work on any post-war wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs. Worked a treat on my TC wheels. Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it alone for now. I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced the drum or disk at the same time ? as long as you remembered to mark the position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (to a different position on the car)! That is likely one reason they are not used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you removed the wheel, you?d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactly the same position. Anyhow it?s a moot point as I have not seen an on-wheel balancer for decades. I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but when I balanced the drums on the TC they were significantly off. I hear balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as my BT7 has always run pretty smooth. If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me. Mirek From: Healeys > On Behalf Of Harold Manifold Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM To: HealeyRick > Cc: Healeys > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of kit. Harold On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net > wrote: AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: Healeys at autox.team.net Unsubscribe/Manage: _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: Healeys at autox.team.net Unsubscribe/Manage: _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rd_parker at juno.com ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healeyguy at aol.com Fri May 19 10:54:19 2023 From: healeyguy at aol.com (Perry Small) Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 12:54:19 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: <1684476196705.859805.8c1129243adc2ab7d9e7812bfe436e364d9aa1e0@spica.telekom.de> References: <1684476196705.859805.8c1129243adc2ab7d9e7812bfe436e364d9aa1e0@spica.telekom.de> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelsalter at gmail.com Fri May 19 17:28:41 2023 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 19:28:41 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: References: <1684476196705.859805.8c1129243adc2ab7d9e7812bfe436e364d9aa1e0@spica.telekom.de> Message-ID: Not sure that that applies to all drums. The rear of my BN2 has drums which has sections of the "balancing band" removed for balancing but the fronts have no such band and are "were" out by about 2oz on the perimeter each. M On Fri., May 19, 2023, 1:58 p.m. Perry Small via Healeys, < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Listers > If you look at the drums you will see areas that were ground off to > balance the drums. > I have given away all my spare parts so I do not have a good example to > photograph. > Perry > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 19, 2023, at 2:19 AM, josef-eckert--- via Healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > > ? > > Good question Bob! I doubt they have done it and the cars were running > anyway. > > Thanks, > > Josef > > > > > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer > > Datum: 2023-05-19T07:56:40+0200 > > Von: "Robert Parker via Healeys" > > An: "Michael Salter" > > > > > > > Has anyone bothered to check whether the factory ever balanced the drums > or even worried about it? It?s not that I don?t care, it?s just I?d like to > know if anyone has heard of that happening at the factory. Bob, 61BT7. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 17, 2023, at 8:32 PM, Michael Salter via Healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > > With all this noise about balancing brake drums I thought I had better > take a look at the ones on my BN2. > I'm in the process if machining them back to balance now. > Bit of a task on my 12" lathe but it's happening. > > On Wed., May 17, 2023, 8:46 p.m. Michael MacLean via Healeys, < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Don't grind it. Have it machined off. >> Mike MacLean >> >> On Wed, May 17, 2023, 6:58 AM Richard Kahn >> wrote: >> >>> Hendrix welded more material to my drums as needed and it seems to have >>> worked fine. I would not like grinding off material as it might affect the >>> integrity of the drum by making it thinner, effecting the heat distribution >>> and strength. Just some rambling from someone who doesn't know what he is >>> talking about. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Healeys on behalf of >>> alfuller194 at gmail.com >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 17, 2023 12:23 AM >>> *To:* 'Michael MacLean' >>> *Cc:* 'Healey List' >>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> >>> Mike ? I would think that would be the likely explanation for having >>> sections of the drum rim machined off. >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------- >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> >>> >>> Al Fuller >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Michael MacLean >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2023 2:47 PM >>> *To:* alfuller194 at gmail.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> >>> >>> Al, list, >>> >>> The drums for my BN2 has sections of the raised rim machined off. >>> Does this mean my drums were balanced in the past? >>> >>> Mike MacLean >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 16, 2023, 2:30 PM wrote: >>> >>> Bob: If you are wondering about brake drum balancing methods, you may >>> be interested in the two methods used on my Healeys. >>> >>> >>> >>> One shop trimmed off the fins as needed to balance the drums, one >>> needing more trimming than the other ? but they both came out well. >>> >>> >>> >>> A different shop welded rod material onto my current BJ-8?s drums to >>> balance them. I think these drums were more out of balance than on prior >>> cars. They were careful to call me ahead of the operation to ask how much >>> clearance I had between the wheel and drum, and I was able to take them a >>> wheel and hub so they could see how it all fit together. The results are >>> just fine, also. >>> >>> ---------------- >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> >>> >>> Al Fuller >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Bob >>> Haskell via Healeys >>> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 2:36 PM >>> *To:* Harold Manifold ; Healey List < >>> healeys at autox.team.net> >>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> >>> >>> Harold, >>> >>> How did you balance the drums - add or remove material? Care to provide >>> any details? >>> >>> Bob Haskell >>> >>> Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar >>> >>> On 5/15/23 11:32, Harold Manifold wrote: >>> >>> Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. I >>> have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of balance >>> they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the >>> separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle >>> shakes so far. >>> >>> >>> >>> Harold >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34?AM wrote: >>> >>> Here in Brisbane there?s at least one place (near me) that does on-car >>> balancing. The wheels on my 100 don?t have a central hole, so can?t be >>> balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing >>> ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing! >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter Linn >>> >>> Brisbane >>> >>> BN1 Holden V6 >>> >>> MG TC special >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *m.g.sharp--- >>> via Healeys >>> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM >>> *To:* 'Harold Manifold' ; 'HealeyRick' < >>> healeyrik at gmail.com> >>> *Cc:* 'Healeys' >>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> >>> >>> I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner). I >>> had a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on >>> the inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer >>> on the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a >>> modern balancer. Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so that >>> when the wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the >>> outer cone on the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub. That >>> part is a little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner >>> will end up in two pieces ? measure carefully! Hub and spinner was $25 at >>> a swap meet and machining was $50. I believe this adaptor will work on any >>> post-war wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs. Worked a >>> treat on my TC wheels. Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it >>> alone for now. >>> >>> >>> >>> I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced the >>> drum or disk at the same time ? as long as you remembered to mark the >>> position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (to a >>> different position on the car)! That is likely one reason they are not >>> used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added >>> weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you removed >>> the wheel, you?d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactly the same >>> position. Anyhow it?s a moot point as I have not seen an on-wheel >>> balancer for decades. I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but when >>> I balanced the drums on the TC they were significantly off. I hear >>> balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as my >>> BT7 has always run pretty smooth. If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants >>> drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me. >>> >>> >>> >>> Mirek >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Harold >>> Manifold >>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM >>> *To:* HealeyRick >>> *Cc:* Healeys >>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> >>> >>> It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS >>> recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of >>> kit. >>> >>> >>> >>> Harold >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys < >>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: >>> >>> AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to >>> mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? >>> https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email >>> >>> >>> >>> Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >>> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >>> >>> >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >>> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rd_parker at juno.com > > ?_______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyguy at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fredwescoe at gmail.com Sat May 20 08:53:11 2023 From: fredwescoe at gmail.com (Fred Wescoe) Date: Sat, 20 May 2023 10:53:11 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Paint Message-ID: Listers, I am in need of a paint code and manufacturer of the paint to repaint the head on my 66 BJ8. The cleaning of the head by the machinist as part of the rebuild totally stripped the paint off. HELP! Fred 66 BJ8 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca Sat May 20 09:40:44 2023 From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca) Date: Sat, 20 May 2023 11:40:44 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Paint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001101d98b31$70b0beb0$52123c10$@sympatico.ca> Fred, I use the green engine paint supplied by Moss. It is, as far as I can tell, a near perfect match for the original and is very good quality. I have used it several times and I am pleased with how well it goes on and lasts. Cheers, Mirek From: Healeys On Behalf Of Fred Wescoe via Healeys Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2023 10:53 AM To: healeys Subject: [Healeys] Paint Listers, I am in need of a paint code and manufacturer of the paint to repaint the head on my 66 BJ8. The cleaning of the head by the machinist as part of the rebuild totally stripped the paint off. HELP! Fred 66 BJ8 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelsalter at gmail.com Sat May 20 10:47:36 2023 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Sat, 20 May 2023 12:47:36 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Paint In-Reply-To: <001101d98b31$70b0beb0$52123c10$@sympatico.ca> References: <001101d98b31$70b0beb0$52123c10$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: I should point out that the Moss Austin Healey engine paint has increased to $US27 a can and is currently on back order. ? M On Sat., May 20, 2023, 11:46 a.m. m.g.sharp--- via Healeys, < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Fred, I use the green engine paint supplied by Moss. It is, as far as I > can tell, a near perfect match for the original and is very good quality. > I have used it several times and I am pleased with how well it goes on and > lasts. > > > > Cheers, Mirek > > > > *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Fred > Wescoe via Healeys > *Sent:* Saturday, May 20, 2023 10:53 AM > *To:* healeys > *Subject:* [Healeys] Paint > > > > Listers, > > > > I am in need of a paint code and manufacturer of the paint to repaint the > head on my 66 BJ8. The cleaning of the head by the machinist as part of > the rebuild totally stripped the paint off. HELP! > > > > Fred > > 66 BJ8 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca Sat May 20 12:25:12 2023 From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca) Date: Sat, 20 May 2023 14:25:12 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Paint In-Reply-To: References: <001101d98b31$70b0beb0$52123c10$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <002601d98b48$6ae74d70$40b5e850$@sympatico.ca> Oh. That sucks. Fred, if you are desperate, you might try the Canadian Moss dealer, Fred McEachern at British Auto Sport, as he often keeps stock on that paint (although I don?t know if there are issues for cross boarder shipping paint) (905) 627-9995 From: Michael Salter Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2023 12:48 PM To: Mirek Sharp Cc: Fred Wescoe ; healeys Subject: Re: [Healeys] Paint I should point out that the Moss Austin Healey engine paint has increased to $US27 a can and is currently on back order. ? M On Sat., May 20, 2023, 11:46 a.m. m.g.sharp--- via Healeys, > wrote: Fred, I use the green engine paint supplied by Moss. It is, as far as I can tell, a near perfect match for the original and is very good quality. I have used it several times and I am pleased with how well it goes on and lasts. Cheers, Mirek From: Healeys > On Behalf Of Fred Wescoe via Healeys Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2023 10:53 AM To: healeys > Subject: [Healeys] Paint Listers, I am in need of a paint code and manufacturer of the paint to repaint the head on my 66 BJ8. The cleaning of the head by the machinist as part of the rebuild totally stripped the paint off. HELP! Fred 66 BJ8 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net Sat May 20 12:49:48 2023 From: jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net (John Spaur) Date: Sat, 20 May 2023 11:49:48 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Paint In-Reply-To: References: <001101d98b31$70b0beb0$52123c10$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <004101d98b4b$db1e3ba0$915ab2e0$@sbcglobal.net> $42 a quart from Hirsch and it is out of stock too. From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Michael Salter Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2023 9:48 AM To: Mirek Sharp Cc: healeys Subject: Re: [Healeys] Paint I should point out that the Moss Austin Healey engine paint has increased to $US27 a can and is currently on back order. ? M On Sat., May 20, 2023, 11:46 a.m. m.g.sharp--- via Healeys, > wrote: Fred, I use the green engine paint supplied by Moss. It is, as far as I can tell, a near perfect match for the original and is very good quality. I have used it several times and I am pleased with how well it goes on and lasts. Cheers, Mirek From: Healeys > On Behalf Of Fred Wescoe via Healeys Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2023 10:53 AM To: healeys > Subject: [Healeys] Paint Listers, I am in need of a paint code and manufacturer of the paint to repaint the head on my 66 BJ8. The cleaning of the head by the machinist as part of the rebuild totally stripped the paint off. HELP! Fred 66 BJ8 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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HELP! > > Fred > 66 BJ8 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/sentenac.rw at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmasucci at charter.net Sat May 20 17:36:17 2023 From: dmasucci at charter.net (David Masucci) Date: Sat, 20 May 2023 19:36:17 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Healey reproduction rear fender In-Reply-To: <004101d98b4b$db1e3ba0$915ab2e0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <001101d98b31$70b0beb0$52123c10$@sympatico.ca> <004101d98b4b$db1e3ba0$915ab2e0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <611DE0CD-B196-4547-9D59-3FCB01B8C9B1@charter.net> Hi All, I am one rear fender away from finally getting my BJ8 into paint. I thought I?d be able to repair the existing drivers side fender, but it has so many patches and rework that we just can?t seem to get it right. . I am ready to purchase the reproduction fender that Moss sells (I assume it came from AH Spares?). Can anyone provide any knowledge as to how well it fits compared to OEM? I assume some work might be likely, but wanted to hear from those who may already have experience. Are all the basics correct? Thanks in advance for any help that you can provide. 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They also make other classic engine colours, such as Chev orange, Ford blue, and a host of others. https://www.hirschauto.com/ENGINE-ENAMEL/productinfo/EE-QUART/ Mark Ardmore, NZ From: Michael Salter Sent: Sunday, 21 May 2023 4:48 AM To: Mirek Sharp Cc: Fred Wescoe ; healeys Subject: Re: [Healeys] Paint I should point out that the Moss Austin Healey engine paint has increased to $US27 a can and is currently on back order. ? M On Sat., May 20, 2023, 11:46 a.m. m.g.sharp--- via Healeys, > wrote: Fred, I use the green engine paint supplied by Moss. It is, as far as I can tell, a near perfect match for the original and is very good quality. I have used it several times and I am pleased with how well it goes on and lasts. Cheers, Mirek From: Healeys > On Behalf Of Fred Wescoe via Healeys Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2023 10:53 AM To: healeys > Subject: [Healeys] Paint Listers, I am in need of a paint code and manufacturer of the paint to repaint the head on my 66 BJ8. The cleaning of the head by the machinist as part of the rebuild totally stripped the paint off. HELP! Fred 66 BJ8 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From llennep at verizon.net Sun May 21 10:46:17 2023 From: llennep at verizon.net (llennep at verizon.net) Date: Sun, 21 May 2023 16:46:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Healeys] Balancing brakes drums the right way In-Reply-To: <0A4E7642-5C6C-4AE0-B489-0B2CA410B28C@gmail.com> References: <0A4E7642-5C6C-4AE0-B489-0B2CA410B28C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1324824221.519503.1684687577960@mail.yahoo.com> Would a similar size of cast iron be comparable to the zinc wheel weight? ?Just asking. -----Original Message----- From: richard mayor To: Healeys Sent: Sat, May 20, 2023 8:34 pm Subject: [Healeys] Balancing brakes drums the right way Get a bubble balancer from Harbor Fright. Use a regular wheel weight placed on the big fin to get it balanced. Try different weights to find the right one. Then slice off a similar size from the large fin on the opposite side of the drum using an angle grinder with a cut-off wheel. No ?machining?. ?No grinding. This will NOT affect the structural integrity of the drum or its ability to dissipate heat as some have suggested. B _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/llennep at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sun., May 21, 2023, 12:51 p.m. llennep--- via Healeys, < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Would a similar size of cast iron be comparable to the zinc wheel weight? > Just asking. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: richard mayor > To: Healeys > Sent: Sat, May 20, 2023 8:34 pm > Subject: [Healeys] Balancing brakes drums the right way > > Get a bubble balancer from Harbor Fright. Use a regular wheel weight > placed on the big fin to get it balanced. Try different weights to find the > right one. Then slice off a similar size from the large fin on the opposite > side of the drum using an angle grinder with a cut-off wheel. No > ?machining?. No grinding. This will NOT affect the structural integrity of > the drum or its ability to dissipate heat as some have suggested. > > > B[image: IMG_1254.jpeg] > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/llennep at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just asking. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: richard mayor > To: Healeys > Sent: Sat, May 20, 2023 8:34 pm > Subject: [Healeys] Balancing brakes drums the right way > > Get a bubble balancer from Harbor Fright. Use a regular wheel weight placed on the big fin to get it balanced. Try different weights to find the right one. Then slice off a similar size from the large fin on the opposite side of the drum using an angle grinder with a cut-off wheel. No ?machining?. No grinding. This will NOT affect the structural integrity of the drum or its ability to dissipate heat as some have suggested. > > > B > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/llennep at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healeyrik at gmail.com Sun May 21 15:57:36 2023 From: healeyrik at gmail.com (HealeyRick) Date: Sun, 21 May 2023 17:57:36 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Balancing brakes drums the right way In-Reply-To: <1324824221.519503.1684687577960@mail.yahoo.com> References: <0A4E7642-5C6C-4AE0-B489-0B2CA410B28C@gmail.com> <1324824221.519503.1684687577960@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: When I did my Ford V8 swap into my BJ7 I resolved to fix the scuttle shake I experienced before I elected to do the shotgun approach. New Michelin XAS tires were shipped to Hendrix along with my Dayton wheels. Everything there was mounted, shaved and balanced. The brake drums were also balanced. I also had Keith Pennell's modifications done to the doghouse. I've driven this car over !00mph and it is rock steady. Something fixed the scuttle shake, but I wish I could tell you which. On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 1:18?PM llennep--- via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Would a similar size of cast iron be comparable to the zinc wheel weight? > Just asking. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: richard mayor > To: Healeys > Sent: Sat, May 20, 2023 8:34 pm > Subject: [Healeys] Balancing brakes drums the right way > > Get a bubble balancer from Harbor Fright. Use a regular wheel weight > placed on the big fin to get it balanced. Try different weights to find the > right one. Then slice off a similar size from the large fin on the opposite > side of the drum using an angle grinder with a cut-off wheel. No > ?machining?. No grinding. This will NOT affect the structural integrity of > the drum or its ability to dissipate heat as some have suggested. > > > B[image: IMG_1254.jpeg] > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/llennep at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyrik at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: IMG_1254.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 88509 bytes Desc: not available URL: From llennep at verizon.net Sun May 21 16:58:00 2023 From: llennep at verizon.net (llennep at verizon.net) Date: Sun, 21 May 2023 22:58:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Healeys] Balancing brakes drums the right way In-Reply-To: <1324824221.519503.1684687577960@mail.yahoo.com> References: <0A4E7642-5C6C-4AE0-B489-0B2CA410B28C@gmail.com> <1324824221.519503.1684687577960@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <366623018.627704.1684709880634@mail.yahoo.com> I meant lead -----Original Message----- From: llennep--- via Healeys To: boyracer466 at gmail.com ; healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, May 21, 2023 12:46 pm Subject: Re: [Healeys] Balancing brakes drums the right way Would a similar size of cast iron be comparable to the zinc wheel weight? ?Just asking. -----Original Message----- From: richard mayor To: Healeys Sent: Sat, May 20, 2023 8:34 pm Subject: [Healeys] Balancing brakes drums the right way Get a bubble balancer from Harbor Fright. Use a regular wheel weight placed on the big fin to get it balanced. Try different weights to find the right one. Then slice off a similar size from the large fin on the opposite side of the drum using an angle grinder with a cut-off wheel. No ?machining?. ?No grinding. This will NOT affect the structural integrity of the drum or its ability to dissipate heat as some have suggested. B _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/llennep at verizon.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/llennep at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1254.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 88509 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ab7vf at yahoo.com Sun May 21 18:50:10 2023 From: ab7vf at yahoo.com (jim) Date: Mon, 22 May 2023 00:50:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Healeys] Balancing brakes drums the right way In-Reply-To: <1324824221.519503.1684687577960@mail.yahoo.com> References: <0A4E7642-5C6C-4AE0-B489-0B2CA410B28C@gmail.com> <1324824221.519503.1684687577960@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1747002587.357881.1684716610697@mail.yahoo.com> Consider "mass" ie weight rather than "volume" ie size 1...weigh drum2...balance3...weigh "balance weight"3a...note new balanced drum weight = original drum weight - "balance weight"4 ...grind / weigh / grind / etc5...repeat from 1 On Sunday, 21 May 2023 at 10:11:13 am GMT-7, llennep--- via Healeys wrote: Would a similar size of cast iron be comparable to the zinc wheel weight? ?Just asking. -----Original Message----- From: richard mayor To: Healeys Sent: Sat, May 20, 2023 8:34 pm Subject: [Healeys] Balancing brakes drums the right way Get a bubble balancer from Harbor Fright. Use a regular wheel weight placed on the big fin to get it balanced. Try different weights to find the right one. Then slice off a similar size from the large fin on the opposite side of the drum using an angle grinder with a cut-off wheel. No ?machining?. ?No grinding. This will NOT affect the structural integrity of the drum or its ability to dissipate heat as some have suggested. B _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/llennep at verizon.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ab7vf at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best regards, Bob Begani 67 BJ8 From: Healeys On Behalf Of HealeyRick Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2023 5:58 PM To: llennep at verizon.net Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Balancing brakes drums the right way When I did my Ford V8 swap into my BJ7 I resolved to fix the scuttle shake I experienced before I elected to do the shotgun approach. New Michelin XAS tires were shipped to Hendrix along with my Dayton wheels. Everything there was mounted, shaved and balanced. The brake drums were also balanced. I also had Keith Pennell's modifications done to the doghouse. I've driven this car over !00mph and it is rock steady. Something fixed the scuttle shake, but I wish I could tell you which. On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 1:18?PM llennep--- via Healeys > wrote: Would a similar size of cast iron be comparable to the zinc wheel weight? Just asking. -----Original Message----- From: richard mayor > To: Healeys > Sent: Sat, May 20, 2023 8:34 pm Subject: [Healeys] Balancing brakes drums the right way Get a bubble balancer from Harbor Fright. Use a regular wheel weight placed on the big fin to get it balanced. Try different weights to find the right one. Then slice off a similar size from the large fin on the opposite side of the drum using an angle grinder with a cut-off wheel. No ?machining?. No grinding. This will NOT affect the structural integrity of the drum or its ability to dissipate heat as some have suggested. B _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/llennep at verizon.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyrik at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 102807 bytes Desc: not available URL: From healeyrik at gmail.com Mon May 22 06:59:05 2023 From: healeyrik at gmail.com (HealeyRick) Date: Mon, 22 May 2023 08:59:05 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Paint In-Reply-To: <000201d98b84$25496050$6fdc20f0$@xtra.co.nz> References: <001101d98b31$70b0beb0$52123c10$@sympatico.ca> <000201d98b84$25496050$6fdc20f0$@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: Mark, I've used the Hirsch engine paint as well and found it excellent. Unfortunately, it has been listed as out of stock on their website for quite some time. Rick Neville, aka HealeyRick On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 10:37?PM Mark Donaldson wrote: > Gentlemen, for more than 40 years I have used only one brand of engine > paint on my cars when I need a *perfect match* ? *Bill Hirsch* engine > enamel. > > To my eye, the MOSS paint is a shade too light, and has a shade too much > yellow in it. All of my records says the given name of the green is ?Steel > Dust Grey?. > > I apply it in two ways: with a wedge-tip foam brush for painting cylinder > heads where the surface is stippled, not smooth, and with a spray gun for > smooth surfaces. > > Please overlook the fact that they can?t spell Healey, and are missing the > hyphen. ? That is their only fault. > > They also make other classic engine colours, such as Chev orange, Ford > blue, and a host of others. > > > > https://www.hirschauto.com/ENGINE-ENAMEL/productinfo/EE-QUART/ > > > > Mark > > Ardmore, NZ > > > > > > *From:* Michael Salter > *Sent:* Sunday, 21 May 2023 4:48 AM > *To:* Mirek Sharp > *Cc:* Fred Wescoe ; healeys > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Paint > > > > I should point out that the Moss Austin Healey engine paint has increased > to $US27 a can and is currently on back order. ? > > > > M > > > > On Sat., May 20, 2023, 11:46 a.m. m.g.sharp--- via Healeys, < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > > Fred, I use the green engine paint supplied by Moss. It is, as far as I > can tell, a near perfect match for the original and is very good quality. > I have used it several times and I am pleased with how well it goes on and > lasts. > > > > Cheers, Mirek > > > > *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Fred > Wescoe via Healeys > *Sent:* Saturday, May 20, 2023 10:53 AM > *To:* healeys > *Subject:* [Healeys] Paint > > > > Listers, > > > > I am in need of a paint code and manufacturer of the paint to repaint the > head on my 66 BJ8. The cleaning of the head by the machinist as part of > the rebuild totally stripped the paint off. HELP! > > > > Fred > > 66 BJ8 > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyrik at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 58873 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Mon May 22 07:39:47 2023 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Mon, 22 May 2023 06:39:47 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Balancing brakes drums the right way In-Reply-To: <014c01d98c94$8e54a260$aafde720$@gmail.com> References: <0A4E7642-5C6C-4AE0-B489-0B2CA410B28C@gmail.com> <1324824221.519503.1684687577960@mail.yahoo.com> <014c01d98c94$8e54a260$aafde720$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <352f8a86-32e3-7811-ab33-58e7a3baa19c@comcast.net> FWIW, for at least one manufacturer of tires suitable for our cars shaving voids their tires' warranty, if that matters to anyone (returning tires probably isn't practical for most of us anyway). My BN2 had horrendous scuttle shake until I got new wheels and tires, properly balanced, and now the shake is completely gone. No other 'tricks' or mods required. I figure that will last until I hit the first bad pothole. Bob On 5/22/2023 3:02 AM, rfbegani at gmail.com wrote: > > When I installed all rebuilt original designs hocks with the > rebuilding of my 67 BJ8, I had New Michelin tires shipped from > Longstone in the UK to me in Florida, where I mounted and balanced > them.? Because the engine was not finished, I took them to a Tire > Specialist who had been shaving tires for years and had the proper > machine and fittings.? I still get a little vibration at 60 mph and > then it goes away. Next time I want to take the car apart I will have > the drums and the drive shaft balance.? Meanwhile, I do not go 100 mph. > > Best regards, > > Bob Begani > > 67 BJ8 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Mon May 22 08:41:41 2023 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Mon, 22 May 2023 07:41:41 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: References: <1684476196705.859805.8c1129243adc2ab7d9e7812bfe436e364d9aa1e0@spica.telekom.de> Message-ID: <3340d5f2-7220-8f7f-85b6-b2089ee49ea6@comcast.net> Here's a shot of removed metal on one of my BN2's drums (cut at about 9 o'clock). This was done so cleanly I've always assumed it was done at the 'factory.' On 5/19/2023 9:54 AM, Perry Small via Healeys wrote: > Listers > If you look at the drums you will see areas that were ground off to > balance the drums. > I have given away all my spare parts so I do not have a good example > to photograph. > Perry > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 19, 2023, at 2:19 AM, josef-eckert--- via Healeys >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Good question Bob! I doubt they have done it and the cars were >> running anyway. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Josef >> >> -----Original-Nachricht----- >> >> Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer >> >> Datum: 2023-05-19T07:56:40+0200 >> >> Von: "Robert Parker via Healeys" >> >> An: "Michael Salter" >> >> Has anyone bothered to check whether the factory ever balanced the >> drums or even worried about it? It?s not that I don?t care, it?s just >> I?d like to know if anyone has heard of that happening at the >> factory. Bob, 61BT7. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 17, 2023, at 8:32 PM, Michael Salter via Healeys >> wrote: >> >> With all this noise about balancing brake drums I thought I had >> better take a look at the ones on my BN2. >> I'm in the process if machining them back to? balance now. >> Bit of a task on my 12" lathe but it's happening. >> >> On Wed., May 17, 2023, 8:46 p.m. Michael MacLean via Healeys, >> wrote: >> >> Don't grind it. Have it machined off. >> Mike MacLean >> >> On Wed, May 17, 2023, 6:58 AM Richard Kahn >> wrote: >> >> Hendrix welded more material to my drums as needed and it >> seems to have worked fine. I would not like grinding off >> material as it might affect the integrity of the drum by >> making it thinner, effecting the heat distribution and >> strength.? Just some rambling from someone who doesn't >> know what he is talking about. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Healeys on >> behalf of alfuller194 at gmail.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 17, 2023 12:23 AM >> *To:* 'Michael MacLean' >> *Cc:* 'Healey List' >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire >> Wheel Balancer >> >> Mike ? I would think that would be the likely explanation >> for having sections of the drum rim machined off. >> >> ---------------- >> >> All the best, >> >> Al Fuller >> >> *From:* Michael MacLean >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2023 2:47 PM >> *To:* alfuller194 at gmail.com >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire >> Wheel Balancer >> >> Al, list, >> >> ? ? ?The drums for my BN2 has sections of the raised rim >> machined off. Does this mean my drums were balanced in >> the past? >> >> Mike MacLean >> >> On Tue, May 16, 2023, 2:30 PM wrote: >> >> Bob:? If you are wondering about brake drum balancing >> methods, you may be interested in the two methods >> used on my Healeys. >> >> One shop trimmed off the fins as needed to balance >> the drums, one needing more trimming than the other ? >> but they both came out well. >> >> A different shop welded rod material onto my current >> BJ-8?s drums to balance them. I think these drums >> were more out of balance than on prior cars. They >> were careful to call me ahead of the operation to ask >> how much clearance I had between the wheel and drum, >> and I was able to take them a wheel and hub so they >> could see how it all fit together.? The results are >> just fine, also. >> >> ---------------- >> >> All the best, >> >> Al Fuller >> >> *From:* Healeys *On >> Behalf Of *Bob Haskell via Healeys >> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 2:36 PM >> *To:* Harold Manifold ; Healey >> List >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >> >> Harold, >> >> How did you balance the drums - add or remove >> material? Care to provide any details? >> >> Bob Haskell >> >> Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar >> >> On 5/15/23 11:32, Harold Manifold wrote: >> >> Another consideration for balancing the rear >> tires is the brake drums. I have the original BMC >> brake drums and was surprised at how out of >> balance they were. I static balanced the brake >> drums to go with the separately?balanced wheels >> and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle >> shakes so far. >> >> Harold >> >> On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34?AM >> wrote: >> >> Here in Brisbane there?s at least one place >> (near me) that does on-car balancing. The >> wheels on my 100 don?t have a central hole, >> so can?t be balanced on a regular machine. >> That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing >> ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing! >> >> Peter Linn >> >> Brisbane >> >> BN1 Holden V6 >> >> MG TC special >> >> *From:* Healeys >> *On Behalf >> Of *m.g.sharp--- via Healeys >> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM >> *To:* 'Harold Manifold' ; >> 'HealeyRick' >> *Cc:* 'Healeys' >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >> >> I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and >> knock-off (spinner).? I had a machinist mount >> the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was >> true on the inside edges (where the bearings >> fit) and had him put a slight chamfer on the >> edges to provide better registration for the >> standard cones on a modern balancer. Then we >> machined the centre out of the spinner so? >> that when the wheel is mounted on the hub and >> the spinner is tightened, the outer cone on >> the balancer fits through it and registers on >> the hub.? That part is a little tricky as if >> you machine the hole too big, the spinner >> will end up in two pieces ? measure >> carefully! Hub and spinner was $25 at a swap >> meet and machining was $50.? I believe this >> adaptor will work on any post-war wire wheels >> except the Jags, which had different hubs.? >> Worked a treat on my TC wheels. Healey is >> running vibration-free- so leaving it alone >> for now. >> >> I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my >> simple thinking it balanced the drum or disk >> at the same time ? as long as you remembered >> to mark the position of the wheels when you >> took them off and did not rotate them (to a >> different position on the car)! That is >> likely one reason ?they are not used anymore, >> because if your drums were out of balance and >> you added weights to the wheel that balanced >> them out, then every time you removed the >> wheel, you?d loose the balance, unless it >> went back in exactly the same position. >> ??Anyhow it?s a moot point as I have not seen >> an on-wheel balancer for decades. ??I imagine >> that disks run very true anyhow, but when I >> balanced the drums on the TC? they were >> significantly off.? I hear balancing Healey >> drums brings good results, but never felt the >> need as my BT7 has always run pretty smooth.? >> If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants drums >> balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did >> great work for me. >> >> Mirek >> >> *From:* Healeys >> *On Behalf >> Of *Harold Manifold >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM >> *To:* HealeyRick >> *Cc:* Healeys >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >> >> It looks like the kit is designed to >> follow?the Dunlop/MWS recommendations for >> balancing. See attached. It should be a good >> piece of kit. >> >> Harold >> >> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick >> via Healeys wrote: >> >> AH Spares just sent out this email about >> a wire wheel balancer kit to mount the >> wheels on a modern balancing machine.? >> What are your thoughts? >> https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email >> >> >> Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Nethttp://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Suggested annual donation? $12.75 >> >> >> >> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation? $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation ?$12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rd_parker at juno.com >> >> ?_______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation ?$12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyguy at aol.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Nethttp://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bspidell at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I tried machining it to correct this but it is extremely hard so I used a grinder to remove material from the inside of the rib which has worked well and is not visible when the drum and wheel are installed. M On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 11:26?AM Bob Spidell wrote: > Here's a shot of removed metal on one of my BN2's drums (cut at about 9 > o'clock). This was done so cleanly I've always assumed it was done at the > 'factory.' > > > On 5/19/2023 9:54 AM, Perry Small via Healeys wrote: > > Listers > If you look at the drums you will see areas that were ground off to > balance the drums. > I have given away all my spare parts so I do not have a good example to > photograph. > Perry > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 19, 2023, at 2:19 AM, josef-eckert--- via Healeys > wrote: > > ? > > Good question Bob! I doubt they have done it and the cars were running > anyway. > > Thanks, > > Josef > > > > > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer > > Datum: 2023-05-19T07:56:40+0200 > > Von: "Robert Parker via Healeys" > > > An: "Michael Salter" > > > > > > > Has anyone bothered to check whether the factory ever balanced the drums > or even worried about it? It?s not that I don?t care, it?s just I?d like to > know if anyone has heard of that happening at the factory. Bob, 61BT7. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 17, 2023, at 8:32 PM, Michael Salter via Healeys > wrote: > > With all this noise about balancing brake drums I thought I had better > take a look at the ones on my BN2. > I'm in the process if machining them back to balance now. > Bit of a task on my 12" lathe but it's happening. > > On Wed., May 17, 2023, 8:46 p.m. Michael MacLean via Healeys, < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Don't grind it. Have it machined off. >> Mike MacLean >> >> On Wed, May 17, 2023, 6:58 AM Richard Kahn >> wrote: >> >>> Hendrix welded more material to my drums as needed and it seems to have >>> worked fine. I would not like grinding off material as it might affect the >>> integrity of the drum by making it thinner, effecting the heat distribution >>> and strength. Just some rambling from someone who doesn't know what he is >>> talking about. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Healeys on behalf of >>> alfuller194 at gmail.com >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 17, 2023 12:23 AM >>> *To:* 'Michael MacLean' >>> *Cc:* 'Healey List' >>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> >>> Mike ? I would think that would be the likely explanation for having >>> sections of the drum rim machined off. >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------- >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> >>> >>> Al Fuller >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Michael MacLean >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2023 2:47 PM >>> *To:* alfuller194 at gmail.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> >>> >>> Al, list, >>> >>> The drums for my BN2 has sections of the raised rim machined off. >>> Does this mean my drums were balanced in the past? >>> >>> Mike MacLean >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 16, 2023, 2:30 PM wrote: >>> >>> Bob: If you are wondering about brake drum balancing methods, you may >>> be interested in the two methods used on my Healeys. >>> >>> >>> >>> One shop trimmed off the fins as needed to balance the drums, one >>> needing more trimming than the other ? but they both came out well. >>> >>> >>> >>> A different shop welded rod material onto my current BJ-8?s drums to >>> balance them. I think these drums were more out of balance than on prior >>> cars. They were careful to call me ahead of the operation to ask how much >>> clearance I had between the wheel and drum, and I was able to take them a >>> wheel and hub so they could see how it all fit together. The results are >>> just fine, also. >>> >>> ---------------- >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> >>> >>> Al Fuller >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Bob >>> Haskell via Healeys >>> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 2:36 PM >>> *To:* Harold Manifold ; Healey List < >>> healeys at autox.team.net> >>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> >>> >>> Harold, >>> >>> How did you balance the drums - add or remove material? Care to provide >>> any details? >>> >>> Bob Haskell >>> >>> Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar >>> >>> On 5/15/23 11:32, Harold Manifold wrote: >>> >>> Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. I >>> have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of balance >>> they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the >>> separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle >>> shakes so far. >>> >>> >>> >>> Harold >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34?AM wrote: >>> >>> Here in Brisbane there?s at least one place (near me) that does on-car >>> balancing. The wheels on my 100 don?t have a central hole, so can?t be >>> balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing >>> ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing! >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter Linn >>> >>> Brisbane >>> >>> BN1 Holden V6 >>> >>> MG TC special >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *m.g.sharp--- >>> via Healeys >>> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM >>> *To:* 'Harold Manifold' ; 'HealeyRick' < >>> healeyrik at gmail.com> >>> *Cc:* 'Healeys' >>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> >>> >>> I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner). I >>> had a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on >>> the inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer >>> on the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a >>> modern balancer. Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so that >>> when the wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the >>> outer cone on the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub. That >>> part is a little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner >>> will end up in two pieces ? measure carefully! Hub and spinner was $25 at >>> a swap meet and machining was $50. I believe this adaptor will work on any >>> post-war wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs. Worked a >>> treat on my TC wheels. Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it >>> alone for now. >>> >>> >>> >>> I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced the >>> drum or disk at the same time ? as long as you remembered to mark the >>> position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (to a >>> different position on the car)! That is likely one reason they are not >>> used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added >>> weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you removed >>> the wheel, you?d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactly the same >>> position. Anyhow it?s a moot point as I have not seen an on-wheel >>> balancer for decades. I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but when >>> I balanced the drums on the TC they were significantly off. I hear >>> balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as my >>> BT7 has always run pretty smooth. If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants >>> drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me. >>> >>> >>> >>> Mirek >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Harold >>> Manifold >>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM >>> *To:* HealeyRick >>> *Cc:* Healeys >>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> >>> >>> It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS >>> recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of >>> kit. >>> >>> >>> >>> Harold >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys < >>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: >>> >>> AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to >>> mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? >>> https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email >>> >>> >>> >>> Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >>> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >>> >>> >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >>> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rd_parker at juno.com > > ?_______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyguy at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > Healeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bspidell at comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From manifold at telus.net Mon May 22 10:22:52 2023 From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold) Date: Mon, 22 May 2023 09:22:52 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: <3340d5f2-7220-8f7f-85b6-b2089ee49ea6@comcast.net> References: <1684476196705.859805.8c1129243adc2ab7d9e7812bfe436e364d9aa1e0@spica.telekom.de> <3340d5f2-7220-8f7f-85b6-b2089ee49ea6@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hello, It seems like there is some interest in balancing brake drums and I can add a little more from my experience. My two original 1960 brake drums looked identical and had no signs of factory balancing. One drum needed 34 grams of weight but the other drum needed 94 grams despite both looking identical. The 34 gram drum was easily balanced by adding a length of 1/4" dia lead behind the rib with JB Weld. The 94 gram drum was a problem as it required too much lead positioned too far away from the light spot. I ended up adding lead to one side and removing part of the rib from the opposite side. Based on my experience I will suggest if the weight needed is greater than 50 grams then it is best to both add weight and remove part of the rib. My tires were balanced off the car and I have no shakes or vibrations. Harold On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 8:29?AM Bob Spidell wrote: > Here's a shot of removed metal on one of my BN2's drums (cut at about 9 > o'clock). This was done so cleanly I've always assumed it was done at the > 'factory.' > > > On 5/19/2023 9:54 AM, Perry Small via Healeys wrote: > > Listers > If you look at the drums you will see areas that were ground off to > balance the drums. > I have given away all my spare parts so I do not have a good example to > photograph. > Perry > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 19, 2023, at 2:19 AM, josef-eckert--- via Healeys > wrote: > > ? > > Good question Bob! I doubt they have done it and the cars were running > anyway. > > Thanks, > > Josef > > > > > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer > > Datum: 2023-05-19T07:56:40+0200 > > Von: "Robert Parker via Healeys" > > > An: "Michael Salter" > > > > > > > Has anyone bothered to check whether the factory ever balanced the drums > or even worried about it? It?s not that I don?t care, it?s just I?d like to > know if anyone has heard of that happening at the factory. Bob, 61BT7. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 17, 2023, at 8:32 PM, Michael Salter via Healeys > wrote: > > With all this noise about balancing brake drums I thought I had better > take a look at the ones on my BN2. > I'm in the process if machining them back to balance now. > Bit of a task on my 12" lathe but it's happening. > > On Wed., May 17, 2023, 8:46 p.m. Michael MacLean via Healeys, < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Don't grind it. Have it machined off. >> Mike MacLean >> >> On Wed, May 17, 2023, 6:58 AM Richard Kahn >> wrote: >> >>> Hendrix welded more material to my drums as needed and it seems to have >>> worked fine. I would not like grinding off material as it might affect the >>> integrity of the drum by making it thinner, effecting the heat distribution >>> and strength. Just some rambling from someone who doesn't know what he is >>> talking about. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Healeys on behalf of >>> alfuller194 at gmail.com >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 17, 2023 12:23 AM >>> *To:* 'Michael MacLean' >>> *Cc:* 'Healey List' >>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> >>> Mike ? I would think that would be the likely explanation for having >>> sections of the drum rim machined off. >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------- >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> >>> >>> Al Fuller >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Michael MacLean >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2023 2:47 PM >>> *To:* alfuller194 at gmail.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> >>> >>> Al, list, >>> >>> The drums for my BN2 has sections of the raised rim machined off. >>> Does this mean my drums were balanced in the past? >>> >>> Mike MacLean >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 16, 2023, 2:30 PM wrote: >>> >>> Bob: If you are wondering about brake drum balancing methods, you may >>> be interested in the two methods used on my Healeys. >>> >>> >>> >>> One shop trimmed off the fins as needed to balance the drums, one >>> needing more trimming than the other ? but they both came out well. >>> >>> >>> >>> A different shop welded rod material onto my current BJ-8?s drums to >>> balance them. I think these drums were more out of balance than on prior >>> cars. They were careful to call me ahead of the operation to ask how much >>> clearance I had between the wheel and drum, and I was able to take them a >>> wheel and hub so they could see how it all fit together. The results are >>> just fine, also. >>> >>> ---------------- >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> >>> >>> Al Fuller >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Bob >>> Haskell via Healeys >>> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 2:36 PM >>> *To:* Harold Manifold ; Healey List < >>> healeys at autox.team.net> >>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> >>> >>> Harold, >>> >>> How did you balance the drums - add or remove material? Care to provide >>> any details? >>> >>> Bob Haskell >>> >>> Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar >>> >>> On 5/15/23 11:32, Harold Manifold wrote: >>> >>> Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. I >>> have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of balance >>> they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the >>> separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle >>> shakes so far. >>> >>> >>> >>> Harold >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34?AM wrote: >>> >>> Here in Brisbane there?s at least one place (near me) that does on-car >>> balancing. The wheels on my 100 don?t have a central hole, so can?t be >>> balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing >>> ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing! >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter Linn >>> >>> Brisbane >>> >>> BN1 Holden V6 >>> >>> MG TC special >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *m.g.sharp--- >>> via Healeys >>> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM >>> *To:* 'Harold Manifold' ; 'HealeyRick' < >>> healeyrik at gmail.com> >>> *Cc:* 'Healeys' >>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> >>> >>> I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner). I >>> had a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on >>> the inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer >>> on the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a >>> modern balancer. Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so that >>> when the wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the >>> outer cone on the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub. That >>> part is a little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner >>> will end up in two pieces ? measure carefully! Hub and spinner was $25 at >>> a swap meet and machining was $50. I believe this adaptor will work on any >>> post-war wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs. Worked a >>> treat on my TC wheels. Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it >>> alone for now. >>> >>> >>> >>> I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced the >>> drum or disk at the same time ? as long as you remembered to mark the >>> position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (to a >>> different position on the car)! That is likely one reason they are not >>> used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added >>> weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you removed >>> the wheel, you?d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactly the same >>> position. Anyhow it?s a moot point as I have not seen an on-wheel >>> balancer for decades. I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but when >>> I balanced the drums on the TC they were significantly off. I hear >>> balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as my >>> BT7 has always run pretty smooth. If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants >>> drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me. >>> >>> >>> >>> Mirek >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Harold >>> Manifold >>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM >>> *To:* HealeyRick >>> *Cc:* Healeys >>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >>> >>> >>> >>> It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS >>> recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of >>> kit. >>> >>> >>> >>> Harold >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys < >>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: >>> >>> AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to >>> mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? >>> https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email >>> >>> >>> >>> Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >>> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >>> >>> >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >>> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rd_parker at juno.com > > ?_______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyguy at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > Healeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bspidell at comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: Hanger.png Type: image/png Size: 71499 bytes Desc: not available URL: From springer.mike51 at gmail.com Mon May 22 12:39:22 2023 From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean) Date: Mon, 22 May 2023 11:39:22 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer In-Reply-To: References: <1684476196705.859805.8c1129243adc2ab7d9e7812bfe436e364d9aa1e0@spica.telekom.de> <3340d5f2-7220-8f7f-85b6-b2089ee49ea6@comcast.net> Message-ID: Exactly the same ridge machined off my rear drums. Not to worry about the fronts though as I have converted to disc. Mike MacLean On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 10:51?AM Michael Salter wrote: > Yes the rears of my BN2 are done the same way and when I checked them they > were each within 1 oz. > Not so much the fronts which were out by more than 2 oz which was > attributable to an inconsistency in the cross section of that inner rib. > I tried machining it to correct this but it is extremely hard so I used a > grinder to remove material from the inside of the rib which has worked well > and is not visible when the drum and wheel are installed. > > M > > On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 11:26?AM Bob Spidell wrote: > >> Here's a shot of removed metal on one of my BN2's drums (cut at about 9 >> o'clock). This was done so cleanly I've always assumed it was done at the >> 'factory.' >> >> >> On 5/19/2023 9:54 AM, Perry Small via Healeys wrote: >> >> Listers >> If you look at the drums you will see areas that were ground off to >> balance the drums. >> I have given away all my spare parts so I do not have a good example to >> photograph. >> Perry >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 19, 2023, at 2:19 AM, josef-eckert--- via Healeys >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Good question Bob! I doubt they have done it and the cars were running >> anyway. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Josef >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original-Nachricht----- >> >> Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer >> >> Datum: 2023-05-19T07:56:40+0200 >> >> Von: "Robert Parker via Healeys" >> >> >> An: "Michael Salter" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Has anyone bothered to check whether the factory ever balanced the drums >> or even worried about it? It?s not that I don?t care, it?s just I?d like to >> know if anyone has heard of that happening at the factory. Bob, 61BT7. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 17, 2023, at 8:32 PM, Michael Salter via Healeys >> wrote: >> >> With all this noise about balancing brake drums I thought I had better >> take a look at the ones on my BN2. >> I'm in the process if machining them back to balance now. >> Bit of a task on my 12" lathe but it's happening. >> >> On Wed., May 17, 2023, 8:46 p.m. Michael MacLean via Healeys, < >> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> Don't grind it. Have it machined off. >>> Mike MacLean >>> >>> On Wed, May 17, 2023, 6:58 AM Richard Kahn >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hendrix welded more material to my drums as needed and it seems to have >>>> worked fine. I would not like grinding off material as it might affect the >>>> integrity of the drum by making it thinner, effecting the heat distribution >>>> and strength. Just some rambling from someone who doesn't know what he is >>>> talking about. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Healeys on behalf of >>>> alfuller194 at gmail.com >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 17, 2023 12:23 AM >>>> *To:* 'Michael MacLean' >>>> *Cc:* 'Healey List' >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer >>>> >>>> >>>> Mike ? I would think that would be the likely explanation for having >>>> sections of the drum rim machined off. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------- >>>> >>>> All the best, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Al Fuller >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Michael MacLean >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 16, 2023 2:47 PM >>>> *To:* alfuller194 at gmail.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Brake Drum balance -- was Wire Wheel Balancer >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Al, list, >>>> >>>> The drums for my BN2 has sections of the raised rim machined off. >>>> Does this mean my drums were balanced in the past? >>>> >>>> Mike MacLean >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 16, 2023, 2:30 PM wrote: >>>> >>>> Bob: If you are wondering about brake drum balancing methods, you may >>>> be interested in the two methods used on my Healeys. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> One shop trimmed off the fins as needed to balance the drums, one >>>> needing more trimming than the other ? but they both came out well. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> A different shop welded rod material onto my current BJ-8?s drums to >>>> balance them. I think these drums were more out of balance than on prior >>>> cars. They were careful to call me ahead of the operation to ask how much >>>> clearance I had between the wheel and drum, and I was able to take them a >>>> wheel and hub so they could see how it all fit together. The results are >>>> just fine, also. >>>> >>>> ---------------- >>>> >>>> All the best, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Al Fuller >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Bob >>>> Haskell via Healeys >>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 2:36 PM >>>> *To:* Harold Manifold ; Healey List < >>>> healeys at autox.team.net> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Harold, >>>> >>>> How did you balance the drums - add or remove material? Care to provide >>>> any details? >>>> >>>> Bob Haskell >>>> >>>> Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar >>>> >>>> On 5/15/23 11:32, Harold Manifold wrote: >>>> >>>> Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. >>>> I have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of balance >>>> they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the >>>> separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle >>>> shakes so far. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Harold >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34?AM wrote: >>>> >>>> Here in Brisbane there?s at least one place (near me) that does on-car >>>> balancing. The wheels on my 100 don?t have a central hole, so can?t be >>>> balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing >>>> ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Peter Linn >>>> >>>> Brisbane >>>> >>>> BN1 Holden V6 >>>> >>>> MG TC special >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *m.g.sharp--- >>>> via Healeys >>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM >>>> *To:* 'Harold Manifold' ; 'HealeyRick' < >>>> healeyrik at gmail.com> >>>> *Cc:* 'Healeys' >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner). I >>>> had a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on >>>> the inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer >>>> on the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a >>>> modern balancer. Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so that >>>> when the wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the >>>> outer cone on the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub. That >>>> part is a little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner >>>> will end up in two pieces ? measure carefully! Hub and spinner was $25 at >>>> a swap meet and machining was $50. I believe this adaptor will work on any >>>> post-war wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs. Worked a >>>> treat on my TC wheels. Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it >>>> alone for now. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced >>>> the drum or disk at the same time ? as long as you remembered to mark the >>>> position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (to a >>>> different position on the car)! That is likely one reason they are not >>>> used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added >>>> weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you removed >>>> the wheel, you?d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactly the same >>>> position. Anyhow it?s a moot point as I have not seen an on-wheel >>>> balancer for decades. I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but when >>>> I balanced the drums on the TC they were significantly off. I hear >>>> balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as my >>>> BT7 has always run pretty smooth. If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants >>>> drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mirek >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Harold >>>> Manifold >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM >>>> *To:* HealeyRick >>>> *Cc:* Healeys >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS >>>> recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of >>>> kit. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Harold >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28?AM HealeyRick via Healeys < >>>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to >>>> mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine. What are your thoughts? >>>> https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick" >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>> >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >>>> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >>>> >>>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>> >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >>>> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >>>> >>>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >>> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rd_parker at juno.com >> >> ?_______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyguy at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> Healeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bspidell at comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mark Ardmore NZ From: HealeyRick Sent: Tuesday, 23 May 2023 12:59 AM To: Mark Donaldson Cc: Michael Salter ; Mirek Sharp ; healeys Subject: Re: [Healeys] Paint Mark, I've used the Hirsch engine paint as well and found it excellent. Unfortunately, it has been listed as out of stock on their website for quite some time. Rick Neville, aka HealeyRick On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 10:37?PM Mark Donaldson > wrote: Gentlemen, for more than 40 years I have used only one brand of engine paint on my cars when I need a perfect match ? Bill Hirsch engine enamel. To my eye, the MOSS paint is a shade too light, and has a shade too much yellow in it. All of my records says the given name of the green is ?Steel Dust Grey?. I apply it in two ways: with a wedge-tip foam brush for painting cylinder heads where the surface is stippled, not smooth, and with a spray gun for smooth surfaces. Please overlook the fact that they can?t spell Healey, and are missing the hyphen. ? That is their only fault. They also make other classic engine colours, such as Chev orange, Ford blue, and a host of others. https://www.hirschauto.com/ENGINE-ENAMEL/productinfo/EE-QUART/ Mark Ardmore, NZ From: Michael Salter > Sent: Sunday, 21 May 2023 4:48 AM To: Mirek Sharp > Cc: Fred Wescoe >; healeys > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Paint I should point out that the Moss Austin Healey engine paint has increased to $US27 a can and is currently on back order. ? M On Sat., May 20, 2023, 11:46 a.m. m.g.sharp--- via Healeys, > wrote: Fred, I use the green engine paint supplied by Moss. It is, as far as I can tell, a near perfect match for the original and is very good quality. I have used it several times and I am pleased with how well it goes on and lasts. Cheers, Mirek From: Healeys > On Behalf Of Fred Wescoe via Healeys Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2023 10:53 AM To: healeys > Subject: [Healeys] Paint Listers, I am in need of a paint code and manufacturer of the paint to repaint the head on my 66 BJ8. The cleaning of the head by the machinist as part of the rebuild totally stripped the paint off. HELP! Fred 66 BJ8 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image005.png Type: image/png Size: 34154 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am ordering all the hangers for the exhaust system to > install before I take the car off the jack stands. > Mike MacLean > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cnaarndt at gmail.com Mon May 22 20:30:41 2023 From: cnaarndt at gmail.com (Curtis Arndt) Date: Mon, 22 May 2023 19:30:41 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Exhaust hangers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What Hank says is correct. To expand.... That hex screw [fully threaded] is a BSF 1/4" X 26 tpi Whitworth type. I don't know the length off hand, but will look it up. Cheers, Curt On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 6:15?PM Hank Leach via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Michael-that goes to the one long bolt that secures the sump pan. There > is only one long one all the others are of shorter but equal length. Hank > > ----------------------------------------- > From: "Michael MacLean via Healeys" > To: "Ahealey help" > Cc: > Sent: Monday May 22 2023 3:01:20PM > Subject: [Healeys] Exhaust hangers > > Excuse my ignorance, but can someone tell me what number 8 is bolted to > and where does it clamp to the exhaust pipe? Anyone have a picture of this > hanger in place? I am ordering all the hangers for the exhaust system to > install before I take the car off the jack stands. > Mike MacLean > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cnaarndt at gmail.com Tue May 23 09:07:12 2023 From: cnaarndt at gmail.com (Curtis Arndt) Date: Tue, 23 May 2023 08:07:12 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Exhaust hangers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ** Michael, FWIW, both of my ORIGINAL "U" shaped clamps have BSF fasteners... See photos. I reused one of my originals when I restored my BN1. Modern reproduction "U" clamps use UNF or more commonly UNC fasteners. On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 7:33?PM Michael Salter wrote: > The strut attaches to an extra length oil pan screw, the one directly > below the spot where the tach cable attaches to the tach drive housing. > To be correct the "U" clamp should have UNF threads. Just sayin' > > M > > On Mon., May 22, 2023, 5:47 p.m. Michael MacLean via Healeys, < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Excuse my ignorance, but can someone tell me what number 8 is bolted to >> and where does it clamp to the exhaust pipe? Anyone have a picture of this >> hanger in place? I am ordering all the hangers for the exhaust system to >> install before I take the car off the jack stands. >> Mike MacLean >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I reused one of my originals when I restored my BN1. Modern > reproduction "U" clamps use UNF or more commonly UNC fasteners. > > On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 7:33?PM Michael Salter > wrote: > >> The strut attaches to an extra length oil pan screw, the one directly >> below the spot where the tach cable attaches to the tach drive housing. >> To be correct the "U" clamp should have UNF threads. Just sayin' >> >> M >> >> On Mon., May 22, 2023, 5:47 p.m. Michael MacLean via Healeys, < >> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> Excuse my ignorance, but can someone tell me what number 8 is bolted to >>> and where does it clamp to the exhaust pipe? Anyone have a picture of this >>> hanger in place? I am ordering all the hangers for the exhaust system to >>> install before I take the car off the jack stands. >>> Mike MacLean >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Modern reproduction "U" clamps use UNF or more commonly UNC fasteners. >> >> On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 7:33?PM Michael Salter >> wrote: >> >>> The strut attaches to an extra length oil pan screw, the one directly >>> below the spot where the tach cable attaches to the tach drive housing. >>> To be correct the "U" clamp should have UNF threads. Just sayin' >>> >>> M >>> >>> On Mon., May 22, 2023, 5:47 p.m. Michael MacLean via Healeys, < >>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Excuse my ignorance, but can someone tell me what number 8 is bolted to >>>> and where does it clamp to the exhaust pipe? Anyone have a picture of this >>>> hanger in place? I am ordering all the hangers for the exhaust system to >>>> install before I take the car off the jack stands. >>>> Mike MacLean >>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Most of these changes were documented in the factory parts manual and service bulletins while some were not documented at all. Like Hank stated, when the parts bin ran out, new items were often sourced and installed, and not necessarily documented. Until we can confirm that were UNF threaded "U" brackets used on later 100s in lieu of the BSF ones, then the assumption has to be that they were used until the end of BN2 production. So, if anyone out there has an original "U" clamp from a late BN1 or BN2 with UNF threads, please submit documentation to Michael Salter and me so that we can update the Concours Guidelines. Cheers, Curt Arndt On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 8:59?AM Hank Leach wrote: > Ok, as long as we are showing clamps, here is my NOS exhaust bracket set. > It was still wrapped in this photo, but as Curt says- its British > thread-probably until mid 1954 when they tried to unify or whenever the bin > holding exhaust brackets ran out and they refilled it. Whichever came > first. They did not throw any away in lieu of unified replacements. > > Likely, Michael's new set will be UNF as they are not making any early > parts for "purists"-same holds true on the rear gearbox mounts and other > items as well. Hank > > ----------------------------------------- > From: "Curtis Arndt via Healeys" > To: "Michael Salter" > Cc: "Ahealey help" > Sent: Tuesday May 23 2023 8:27:22AM > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Exhaust hangers > > ** > > Michael, FWIW, both of my ORIGINAL "U" shaped clamps have BSF fasteners... > See photos. I reused one of my originals when I restored my BN1. Modern > reproduction "U" clamps use UNF or more commonly UNC fasteners. > > On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 7:33?PM Michael Salter > wrote: > >> The strut attaches to an extra length oil pan screw, the one directly >> below the spot where the tach cable attaches to the tach drive housing. >> To be correct the "U" clamp should have UNF threads. Just sayin' >> >> M >> >> On Mon., May 22, 2023, 5:47 p.m. Michael MacLean via Healeys, < >> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> Excuse my ignorance, but can someone tell me what number 8 is bolted to >>> and where does it clamp to the exhaust pipe? Anyone have a picture of this >>> hanger in place? I am ordering all the hangers for the exhaust system to >>> install before I take the car off the jack stands. >>> Mike MacLean >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com Tue May 23 11:01:46 2023 From: vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com (Jean Caron) Date: Tue, 23 May 2023 17:01:46 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Exhaust hangers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I wonder if there are enough complaints about the brass washers, would BMC consider a recall on this!!!!!LOL Jean Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada?s largest network. ________________________________ From: Healeys on behalf of Curtis Arndt Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2023 10:16:50 AM To: Michael Salter Cc: Ahealey help Subject: Re: [Healeys] Exhaust hangers I agree! Most of these were lost to rust decades ago, and I for one am amazed that these two survived in such good condition. BTW I did replace the nuts with NOS BSF ones, two in steel and two in brass [as per the photos]. However, I did find out that bronze "spring washers" fail rather quickly under heat so I replaced them with steel ones. On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 8:11?AM Michael Salter > wrote: BSF well one learns something every day. Thanks Curt. M On Tue., May 23, 2023, 11:07 a.m. Curtis Arndt, > wrote: Michael, FWIW, both of my ORIGINAL "U" shaped clamps have BSF fasteners... See photos. I reused one of my originals when I restored my BN1. Modern reproduction "U" clamps use UNF or more commonly UNC fasteners. On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 7:33?PM Michael Salter > wrote: The strut attaches to an extra length oil pan screw, the one directly below the spot where the tach cable attaches to the tach drive housing. To be correct the "U" clamp should have UNF threads. Just sayin' M On Mon., May 22, 2023, 5:47 p.m. Michael MacLean via Healeys, > wrote: Excuse my ignorance, but can someone tell me what number 8 is bolted to and where does it clamp to the exhaust pipe? Anyone have a picture of this hanger in place? I am ordering all the hangers for the exhaust system to install before I take the car off the jack stands. 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That aside, I still have not seen a photo of the assembly in place on the car. Anyone? Mike MacLean On Tue, May 23, 2023, 11:10 AM Curtis Arndt wrote: > Hank > > Thanks! Very cool photo, may we use this for the AH Concours Guidelines? > > No one can tell just when the "U" bracket threads changed. > > Many Whitworth fasteners on the late BN1s and BN2s were changed over to > UNF in late '55 nad '56. Most of these changes were documented in the > factory parts manual and service bulletins while some were not > documented at all. Like Hank stated, when the parts bin ran out, new items > were often sourced and installed, and not necessarily documented. > > Until we can confirm that were UNF threaded "U" brackets used on later > 100s in lieu of the BSF ones, then the assumption has to be that they were > used until the end of BN2 production. So, if anyone out there has an > original "U" clamp from a late BN1 or BN2 with UNF threads, please submit > documentation to Michael Salter and me so that we can update the Concours > Guidelines. > > Cheers, > > Curt Arndt > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 8:59?AM Hank Leach wrote: > >> Ok, as long as we are showing clamps, here is my NOS exhaust bracket >> set. It was still wrapped in this photo, but as Curt says- its British >> thread-probably until mid 1954 when they tried to unify or whenever the bin >> holding exhaust brackets ran out and they refilled it. Whichever came >> first. They did not throw any away in lieu of unified replacements. >> >> Likely, Michael's new set will be UNF as they are not making any early >> parts for "purists"-same holds true on the rear gearbox mounts and other >> items as well. Hank >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> From: "Curtis Arndt via Healeys" >> To: "Michael Salter" >> Cc: "Ahealey help" >> Sent: Tuesday May 23 2023 8:27:22AM >> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Exhaust hangers >> >> ** >> >> Michael, FWIW, both of my ORIGINAL "U" shaped clamps have BSF >> fasteners... See photos. I reused one of my originals when I restored my >> BN1. Modern reproduction "U" clamps use UNF or more commonly UNC fasteners. >> >> On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 7:33?PM Michael Salter >> wrote: >> >>> The strut attaches to an extra length oil pan screw, the one directly >>> below the spot where the tach cable attaches to the tach drive housing. >>> To be correct the "U" clamp should have UNF threads. Just sayin' >>> >>> M >>> >>> On Mon., May 22, 2023, 5:47 p.m. Michael MacLean via Healeys, < >>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Excuse my ignorance, but can someone tell me what number 8 is bolted to >>>> and where does it clamp to the exhaust pipe? Anyone have a picture of this >>>> hanger in place? I am ordering all the hangers for the exhaust system to >>>> install before I take the car off the jack stands. >>>> Mike MacLean >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Richard Mayor boyracer466 at gmail.com > On May 23, 2023, at 10:01 AM, Jean Caron wrote: > > I wonder if there are enough complaints about the brass washers, would BMC consider a recall on this!!!!!LOL > > Jean > > Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada?s largest network. > From: Healeys on behalf of Curtis Arndt > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2023 10:16:50 AM > To: Michael Salter > Cc: Ahealey help > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Exhaust hangers > > I agree! > > Most of these were lost to rust decades ago, and I for one am amazed that these two survived in such good condition. BTW I did replace the nuts with NOS BSF ones, two in steel and two in brass [as per the photos]. > > However, I did find out that bronze "spring washers" fail rather quickly under heat so I replaced them with steel ones. > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 8:11?AM Michael Salter > wrote: > BSF well one learns something every day. > Thanks Curt. > > M > > On Tue., May 23, 2023, 11:07 a.m. Curtis Arndt, > wrote: > > > Michael, FWIW, both of my ORIGINAL "U" shaped clamps have BSF fasteners... See photos. I reused one of my originals when I restored my BN1. Modern reproduction "U" clamps use UNF or more commonly UNC fasteners. > > On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 7:33?PM Michael Salter > wrote: > The strut attaches to an extra length oil pan screw, the one directly below the spot where the tach cable attaches to the tach drive housing. > To be correct the "U" clamp should have UNF threads. Just sayin' > > M > > On Mon., May 22, 2023, 5:47 p.m. Michael MacLean via Healeys, > wrote: > Excuse my ignorance, but can someone tell me what number 8 is bolted to and where does it clamp to the exhaust pipe? Anyone have a picture of this hanger in place? I am ordering all the hangers for the exhaust system to install before I take the car off the jack stands. > Mike MacLean > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/boyracer466 at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cnaarndt at gmail.com Tue May 23 13:19:51 2023 From: cnaarndt at gmail.com (Curtis Arndt) Date: Tue, 23 May 2023 12:19:51 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Exhaust hangers In-Reply-To: <5EF1D4E3-AB19-4386-8F6C-9C7A477F1E01@gmail.com> References: <5EF1D4E3-AB19-4386-8F6C-9C7A477F1E01@gmail.com> Message-ID: Richard, Great question. and an easy one to answer. The British Standards [the ONLY official source] state explicitly that the definition of a Whitworth fastener is one that has a 55 degree thread pitch angle versus the 60 degrees of UNF/UNC, ANF/ANC, and SAE fine and coarse and the 47-1/2 degree thread pitch of BA - British Association. Whitworth IS NOT defined and a fastener that uses a Whitworth sized hex head as both BSC British Standard Cycle and CEI Cycle Engineers Institute have these heads and use whitworth spanners BUT also have threads with a 60 degree pitch angle... *hence NOT whitworth!!! *Where does the BS [not British Standard] come from? Wikipedia, which is wrong on this subject, something I've tried to correct for two decades to no avail! The five most common whitworth fasteners [yes, there are more] used on Austin Healeys are... BSF - British Standard Fine, BSW - British Standard Whitworth, BSPP - British Standard Pipe Parallel, BSPT - British Standard Pipe Tapered and BSB - British Standard Brass. ALL have a 55 degree thread pitch angle. Discussion over, and anyone who says otherwise in WRONG! Not my opinion, just the facts as set forth by the British Standards, so irrefutable. Rant over. Curt Arndt The fastener authority for the Concours Registry. On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 12:01?PM Ricchardd Mayor wrote: > I have a question for you all regarding Whitworth (55* thread pitch angle) > fasteners. I have generally referred to both BSW and BSF as Whitworth > fasteners. But, I have been ?corrected? a number of times over this last > year by some that say BSF is not Whitworth. So, is BSF Whitworth, or is it > not? > > > Richard Mayor > boyracer466 at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gakmak at aol.com Tue May 23 13:26:16 2023 From: gakmak at aol.com (Gordon Klatt) Date: Tue, 23 May 2023 19:26:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Healeys] A Project 1965 AH 3000 References: <678860400.872589.1684869976725.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <678860400.872589.1684869976725@mail.yahoo.com> I have a 1965 AH 3000 that I have owned since 1971.??It is a non-overdrive car.? (Nock Sr. once suggested I put in a Toyota 5 speed.)It was my daily driver in the 70's, lightly driven in the 80's, and stored since the 90's. It will need a new owner with either mechanical skills or money!!Located in Iowa.? Will be available in July.I will also be selling: 1955 Sunliner, 1956 Sunliner,? 1962 MGB, 1975 MG Midget, 1978 Toyota Corolla (5 speed)My email is gakmak at aol.com? Will consider offers before auctioning the cars. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cnaarndt at gmail.com Tue May 23 13:28:54 2023 From: cnaarndt at gmail.com (Curtis Arndt) Date: Tue, 23 May 2023 12:28:54 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Exhaust hangers In-Reply-To: <5EF1D4E3-AB19-4386-8F6C-9C7A477F1E01@gmail.com> References: <5EF1D4E3-AB19-4386-8F6C-9C7A477F1E01@gmail.com> Message-ID: Richard, Great question. and an easy one to answer. The British Standards [the ONLY official source] state explicitly that the definition of a Whitworth fastener is one that has a 55 degree thread pitch angle versus the 60 degrees of UNF/UNC, ANF/ANC, and SAE fine and coarse and the 47-1/2 degree thread pitch of BA - British Association. Whitworth IS NOT defined and a fastener that uses a Whitworth sized hex head as both BSC British Standard Cycle and CEI Cycle Engineers Institute have these heads and use whitworth spanners BUT also have threads with a 60 degree pitch angle... *hence NOT whitworth!!! *Where does the BS [not British Standard] come from? Wikipedia, which is wrong on this subject, something I've tried to correct for two decades to no avail! The five most common whitworth fasteners [yes, there are more] used on Austin Healeys are... BSF - British Standard Fine, BSW - British Standard Whitworth, BSPP - British Standard Pipe Parallel, BSPT - British Standard Pipe Tapered and BSB - British Standard Brass. ALL have a 55 degree thread pitch angle. Discussion over, and anyone who says otherwise in WRONG! Not my opinion, just the facts as set forth by the British Standards, so irrefutable. Rant over. Curt Arndt The fastener authority for the Concours Registry. On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 12:01?PM Ricchardd Mayor wrote: > I have a question for you all regarding Whitworth (55* thread pitch angle) > fasteners. I have generally referred to both BSW and BSF as Whitworth > fasteners. But, I have been ?corrected? a number of times over this last > year by some that say BSF is not Whitworth. So, is BSF Whitworth, or is it > not? > > > Richard Mayor > boyracer466 at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boyracer466 at gmail.com Tue May 23 18:14:26 2023 From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (Ricchardd Mayor) Date: Tue, 23 May 2023 17:14:26 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Exhaust hangers In-Reply-To: References: <5EF1D4E3-AB19-4386-8F6C-9C7A477F1E01@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you Curt for that explanation. Richard Richard Mayor boyracer466 at gmail.com > On May 23, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote: > > Richard, > > Great question. and an easy one to answer. > > The British Standards [the ONLY official source] state explicitly that the definition of a Whitworth fastener is one that has a 55 degree thread pitch angle versus the 60 degrees of UNF/UNC, ANF/ANC, and SAE fine and coarse and the 47-1/2 degree thread pitch of BA - British Association. > > Whitworth IS NOT defined and a fastener that uses a Whitworth sized hex head as both BSC British Standard Cycle and CEI Cycle Engineers Institute have these heads and use whitworth spanners BUT also have threads with a 60 degree pitch angle... hence NOT whitworth!!! Where does the BS [not British Standard] come from? Wikipedia, which is wrong on this subject, something I've tried to correct for two decades to no avail! > > The five most common whitworth fasteners [yes, there are more] used on Austin Healeys are... BSF - British Standard Fine, BSW - British Standard Whitworth, BSPP - British Standard Pipe Parallel, BSPT - British Standard Pipe Tapered and BSB - British Standard Brass. ALL have a 55 degree thread pitch angle. Discussion over, and anyone who says otherwise in WRONG! Not my opinion, just the facts as set forth by the British Standards, so irrefutable. > > Rant over. > > Curt Arndt > The fastener authority for the Concours Registry. > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 12:01?PM Ricchardd Mayor > wrote: > I have a question for you all regarding Whitworth (55* thread pitch angle) fasteners. I have generally referred to both BSW and BSF as Whitworth fasteners. But, I have been ?corrected? a number of times over this last year by some that say BSF is not Whitworth. So, is BSF Whitworth, or is it not? > > > Richard Mayor > boyracer466 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gradea1 at charter.net Tue May 23 19:25:24 2023 From: gradea1 at charter.net (Hank Leach) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 01:25:24 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Exhaust hangers Message-ID: <66886100056d1cac4670a054a7f93d36b5816c61@webmail> Curt-absolutely, I'm glad that I had them for my 100 and they are on the car #588 October 22,1953-not too many UNF hardware items on this car. Regards, Hank -----------------------------------------From: "Curtis Arndt" To: "Hank Leach" Cc: "healeys at autox.team.net", "Michael Salter" Sent: Tuesday May 23 2023 9:40:38AM Subject: Re: [Healeys] Exhaust hangers Hank Thanks! Very cool photo, may we use this for the AH Concours Guidelines? No one can tell just when the "U" bracket threads changed. Many Whitworth fasteners on the late BN1s and BN2s were changed over to UNF in late '55 nad '56. Most of these changes were documented in the factory parts manual and service bulletins while some were not documented at all. Like Hank stated, when the parts bin ran out, new items were often sourced and installed, and not necessarily documented. Until we can confirm that were UNF threaded "U" brackets used on later 100s in lieu of the BSF ones, then the assumption has to be that they were used until the end of BN2 production. So, if anyone out there has an original "U" clamp from a late BN1 or BN2 with UNF threads, please submit documentation to Michael Salter and me so that we can update the Concours Guidelines. Cheers, Curt Arndt On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 8:59?AM Hank Leach wrote: Ok, as long as we are showing clamps, here is my NOS exhaust bracket set. It was still wrapped in this photo, but as Curt says- its British thread-probably until mid 1954 when they tried to unify or whenever the bin holding exhaust brackets ran out and they refilled it. Whichever came first. They did not throw any away in lieu of unified replacements. Likely, Michael's new set will be UNF as they are not making any early parts for "purists"-same holds true on the rear gearbox mounts and other items as well. Hank ----------------------------------------- From: "Curtis Arndt via Healeys" To: "Michael Salter" Cc: "Ahealey help" Sent: Tuesday May 23 2023 8:27:22AM Subject: Re: [Healeys] Exhaust hangers _ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net Tue May 23 20:04:16 2023 From: jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net (jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 23 May 2023 19:04:16 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Paint In-Reply-To: <003801d98cfe$1455a800$3d00f800$@xtra.co.nz> References: <001101d98b31$70b0beb0$52123c10$@sympatico.ca> <000201d98b84$25496050$6fdc20f0$@xtra.co.nz> <003801d98cfe$1455a800$3d00f800$@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <01a401d98de4$0c10fc80$2432f580$@sbcglobal.net> Well, I had planned on going to New Zealand to buy a quart. Guess I will cancel my trip now. John Califronia From: Healeys On Behalf Of Mark Donaldson Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 3:38 PM To: 'HealeyRick' Cc: 'healeys' Subject: Re: [Healeys] Paint I bought my quart can locally before Covid hit us. After we?d all settled back to post-Covid life I asked my automotive paint man here in Auckland if he could get any more from his supplier. He said there just two cans left on the shelf, so I purchased them both. I got the last remaining stock in New Zealand. Should last me quite a while. ? Mark Ardmore NZ From: HealeyRick > Sent: Tuesday, 23 May 2023 12:59 AM To: Mark Donaldson > Cc: Michael Salter >; Mirek Sharp >; healeys > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Paint Mark, I've used the Hirsch engine paint as well and found it excellent. Unfortunately, it has been listed as out of stock on their website for quite some time. Rick Neville, aka HealeyRick On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 10:37?PM Mark Donaldson > wrote: Gentlemen, for more than 40 years I have used only one brand of engine paint on my cars when I need a perfect match ? Bill Hirsch engine enamel. To my eye, the MOSS paint is a shade too light, and has a shade too much yellow in it. All of my records says the given name of the green is ?Steel Dust Grey?. I apply it in two ways: with a wedge-tip foam brush for painting cylinder heads where the surface is stippled, not smooth, and with a spray gun for smooth surfaces. Please overlook the fact that they can?t spell Healey, and are missing the hyphen. ? That is their only fault. They also make other classic engine colours, such as Chev orange, Ford blue, and a host of others. https://www.hirschauto.com/ENGINE-ENAMEL/productinfo/EE-QUART/ Mark Ardmore, NZ From: Michael Salter > Sent: Sunday, 21 May 2023 4:48 AM To: Mirek Sharp > Cc: Fred Wescoe >; healeys > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Paint I should point out that the Moss Austin Healey engine paint has increased to $US27 a can and is currently on back order. ? M On Sat., May 20, 2023, 11:46 a.m. m.g.sharp--- via Healeys, > wrote: Fred, I use the green engine paint supplied by Moss. It is, as far as I can tell, a near perfect match for the original and is very good quality. I have used it several times and I am pleased with how well it goes on and lasts. Cheers, Mirek From: Healeys > On Behalf Of Fred Wescoe via Healeys Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2023 10:53 AM To: healeys > Subject: [Healeys] Paint Listers, I am in need of a paint code and manufacturer of the paint to repaint the head on my 66 BJ8. The cleaning of the head by the machinist as part of the rebuild totally stripped the paint off. HELP! Fred 66 BJ8 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 34154 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It will need a new owner with either mechanical skills or money!! Located in Iowa. Will be available in July. I will also be selling: 1955 Sunliner, 1956 Sunliner, 1962 MGB, 1975 MG Midget, 1978 Toyota Corolla (5 speed) My email is gakmak at aol.com Will consider offers before auctioning the cars. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cnaarndt at gmail.com Tue May 23 20:47:35 2023 From: cnaarndt at gmail.com (Curtis Arndt) Date: Tue, 23 May 2023 19:47:35 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Exhaust hangers In-Reply-To: <66886100056d1cac4670a054a7f93d36b5816c61@webmail> References: <66886100056d1cac4670a054a7f93d36b5816c61@webmail> Message-ID: Awesome, thanks! On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 6:25?PM Hank Leach wrote: > Curt-absolutely, I'm glad that I had them for my 100 and they are on the > car #588 October 22,1953-not too many UNF hardware items on this car. > Regards, Hank > > ----------------------------------------- > From: "Curtis Arndt" > To: "Hank Leach" > Cc: "healeys at autox.team.net", "Michael Salter" > Sent: Tuesday May 23 2023 9:40:38AM > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Exhaust hangers > > Hank > > Thanks! Very cool photo, may we use this for the AH Concours Guidelines? > > No one can tell just when the "U" bracket threads changed. > > Many Whitworth fasteners on the late BN1s and BN2s were changed over to > UNF in late '55 nad '56. Most of these changes were documented in the > factory parts manual and service bulletins while some were not > documented at all. Like Hank stated, when the parts bin ran out, new items > were often sourced and installed, and not necessarily documented. > > Until we can confirm that were UNF threaded "U" brackets used on later > 100s in lieu of the BSF ones, then the assumption has to be that they were > used until the end of BN2 production. So, if anyone out there has an > original "U" clamp from a late BN1 or BN2 with UNF threads, please submit > documentation to Michael Salter and me so that we can update the Concours > Guidelines. > > Cheers, > > Curt Arndt > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 8:59?AM Hank Leach wrote: > >> Ok, as long as we are showing clamps, here is my NOS exhaust bracket >> set. It was still wrapped in this photo, but as Curt says- its British >> thread-probably until mid 1954 when they tried to unify or whenever the bin >> holding exhaust brackets ran out and they refilled it. Whichever came >> first. They did not throw any away in lieu of unified replacements. >> >> Likely, Michael's new set will be UNF as they are not making any early >> parts for "purists"-same holds true on the rear gearbox mounts and other >> items as well. Hank >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> From: "Curtis Arndt via Healeys" >> To: "Michael Salter" >> Cc: "Ahealey help" >> Sent: Tuesday May 23 2023 8:27:22AM >> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Exhaust hangers >> >> ** >> >> Michael, FWIW, both of my ORIGINAL "U" shaped clamps have BSF >> fasteners... See photos. I reused one of my originals when I restored my >> BN1. Modern reproduction "U" clamps use UNF or more commonly UNC fasteners. >> >> On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 7:33?PM Michael Salter >> wrote: >> >>> The strut attaches to an extra length oil pan screw, the one directly >>> below the spot where the tach cable attaches to the tach drive housing. >>> To be correct the "U" clamp should have UNF threads. Just sayin' >>> >>> M >>> >>> On Mon., May 22, 2023, 5:47 p.m. Michael MacLean via Healeys, < >>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Excuse my ignorance, but can someone tell me what number 8 is bolted to >>>> and where does it clamp to the exhaust pipe? Anyone have a picture of this >>>> hanger in place? I am ordering all the hangers for the exhaust system to >>>> install before I take the car off the jack stands. >>>> Mike MacLean >>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From springer.mike51 at gmail.com Wed May 24 06:41:51 2023 From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 05:41:51 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Denis Welch Tappets Again Message-ID: As I get closer to starting my 100 engine I have yet to replace the modified Denis Welch tappets like a list member suggested I do. I got nervous, so I ordered a set of NOS tappets from Ahead4Healeys to swap with the installed Welch tappets recently. Now, searching the archives, I find someone had problems with NOS lifters after 6000 miles. Ruined a cam and the lifters. So, what am I supposed to do now? Should I just buy aftermarket tappets? Are the aftermarket tappets hardened correctly? Why wouldn't the NOS tappets be hardened right? I don't want to replace the cam after I get this thing running. Mike MacLean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca Wed May 24 07:42:43 2023 From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 09:42:43 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Denis Welch Tappets Again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <014c01d98e45$9e092f70$da1b8e50$@sympatico.ca> Mike, I am really no expert on this, but having had cam/tappet issues with my ?56 BSA motorcycle (same technology as a Healey) in the past I did look into it about 18 years ago, and Mike Salter and I had a long discussion about cams and tappets when we did my BT7 engine a few years ago. One thing I was told by a bike engine builder I trust is that the hardness of the cam lobes and the tappets should be the same. If they are mis-matched, rapid wear can occur. It may (I am speculating) not be so much that the cam or the tappets are not hardened properly, it is just that they are hardened differently. I eventually ordered the motorcycle cam and tappets from the same source with the promise that they were made to work together. That seemed to work on the bike. I think buying a cam and tappets from different sources is not the best idea. With my BT7, we were lucky, as even after over 100.000 miles, the cam had virtually no wear, and only one tappet showed signs of wear, so that was replaced with an good used original one that Mike had. So my original cam and 11 of the tappets were re-used (with the tappets put back in the same order as they came out). Only 2000 miles on the engine, so jury is still out on that, but I just checked the tappet clearances and so far no signs of wear. I am surprised that Ahead4Healeys actually have NOS tappets. Are you sure that they are not re-manufactured? If they are actually NOS, I would be inclined to use them and find a good original cam to use with them (assuming the original one you have is too worn to re-use). The fact that my original parts were fine after 100,000 miles are a testament to the quality of the original parts. Mind you, I am only the second owner of the car, and I knew the first owner well, and we both performed regular maintenance; that is key to longevity. Also, I don?t know what you are doing with valve springs and rocker gear. Remember whenever you deviate from stock, there are repercussions. Higher lift cams, increased spring pressure, etc., all excerpt additional stresses on cam lobes and tappets. Good luck with it ? these are hard decisions when re-building and there is so much mythology about cams and tappets to sift through. My personal approach is use original parts whenever I can ? they work and they last! Cheers, Mirek From: Healeys On Behalf Of Michael MacLean Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2023 8:42 AM To: Ahealey help Subject: [Healeys] Denis Welch Tappets Again As I get closer to starting my 100 engine I have yet to replace the modified Denis Welch tappets like a list member suggested I do. I got nervous, so I ordered a set of NOS tappets from Ahead4Healeys to swap with the installed Welch tappets recently. Now, searching the archives, I find someone had problems with NOS lifters after 6000 miles. Ruined a cam and the lifters. So, what am I supposed to do now? Should I just buy aftermarket tappets? Are the aftermarket tappets hardened correctly? Why wouldn't the NOS tappets be hardened right? I don't want to replace the cam after I get this thing running. Mike MacLean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelsalter at gmail.com Wed May 24 07:46:53 2023 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 09:46:53 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Denis Welch Tappets Again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Speaking as someone who has over the years had 2 bouts of tappet failure in 100 engines I would suggest that you are wise to be cautious. I can't advise on the tappets that you have fitted but can say the I am now using sets from A H Spares which are proving to be very satisfactory and are different from those I have had problems with. I have, in B.#174, a magnetic oil drain plug and have found that to be a very good indicator of impending tappet failure. On the last 2 oil changes there was absolutely no metal on the plug. My procedure initial start procedure was to firstly remove the inner valve springs as I have found that they and the additional pressure that they produce are just not required as my engine exhibits absolutely no sign of valve bounce right up to the red line. I use Lucas 20/50 break in oil for the 1st 500 miles. On first start I held the engine around 1500 RPM for about 20 minutes. (I have difficulty believing that this is necessary but that's what the experts recommend so you have to be sure that the cooling system is in good shape). I change to VR1 non synthetic 20/50 after 500 odd miles and then change the oil every 3000 miles. The engine in B#174 now runs with absolutely NO tappet clatter which is pretty unusual for a 100. I recently checked the valve clearances and they were unchanged after 2500 miles, another good indicator that the cam and tappets are holding up well. I'm sure others have had different experiences but I would recommend that you make every effort to avoid a cam/tappet failure because rectification requires a complete engine strip down. Good luck. M (Still running perfectly with outer springs only) On Wed., May 24, 2023, 8:46 a.m. Michael MacLean, wrote: > As I get closer to starting my 100 engine I have yet to replace the > modified Denis Welch tappets like a list member suggested I do. I got > nervous, so I ordered a set of NOS tappets from Ahead4Healeys to swap with > the installed Welch tappets recently. Now, searching the archives, I find > someone had problems with NOS lifters after 6000 miles. Ruined a cam and > the lifters. So, what am I supposed to do now? Should I just buy > aftermarket tappets? Are the aftermarket tappets hardened correctly? Why > wouldn't the NOS tappets be hardened right? I don't want to replace the > cam after I get this thing running. > Mike MacLean > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Wed May 24 08:22:07 2023 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 07:22:07 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Denis Welch Tappets Again In-Reply-To: <014c01d98e45$9e092f70$da1b8e50$@sympatico.ca> References: <014c01d98e45$9e092f70$da1b8e50$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <3f64957a-c10a-78a2-5b39-9dd643230c46@comcast.net> Maybe why DWM sells cams and tappets ('followers') as a set? Installed them in my--most recent and, hopefully last--BJ8 overhaul and no issues after 7K miles or so. I don't think you can rule out improper break-in as a cause. Bob On 5/24/2023 6:42 AM, m.g.sharp--- via Healeys wrote: > > Mike, I am really no expert on this, but having had cam/tappet issues > with my ?56 BSA motorcycle (same technology as a Healey) in the past I > did look into it about 18 years ago, and Mike Salter and I had a long > discussion about cams and tappets when we did my BT7 engine a few > years ago.? One thing I was told by a bike engine builder I trust is > that the hardness of the cam lobes and the tappets should be the > same.? If they are mis-matched, rapid wear can occur.? It _may_ (I am > speculating) not be so much that the cam or the tappets are not > hardened properly, it is just that they are hardened _differently_. > ??I eventually ordered the motorcycle cam and tappets from the same > source with the promise that they were made to work together.? That > seemed to work on the bike.? I think buying a cam and tappets from > different sources is not the best idea. > > With my BT7, we were lucky, as even after over 100.000 miles, the cam > had virtually no wear, and only one tappet showed signs of wear, so > that was replaced with an good used original one that Mike had.? So my > original cam and 11 of the tappets were re-used (with the tappets put > back in the same order as they came out).? Only 2000 miles on the > engine, so jury is still out on that, but I just checked? the tappet > clearances and so far no signs of wear.? I am surprised that > Ahead4Healeys actually have NOS tappets.? Are you sure that they are > not re-manufactured?? If they are actually NOS, I would be inclined to > use them and find a good original cam to use with them (assuming the > original one you have is too worn to re-use).? The fact that my > original parts were fine after 100,000 miles are a testament to the > quality of the original parts.? Mind you, I am only the second owner > of the car, and I knew? the first owner well, and we both performed > regular maintenance; that is key to longevity. > > Also, I don?t know what you are doing with valve springs and rocker > gear.? Remember whenever you deviate from stock, there are > repercussions.? Higher lift cams, increased spring pressure, etc., all > excerpt additional stresses on cam lobes and tappets. > > Good luck with it ? these are hard decisions when re-building and > there is so much mythology about cams and tappets to sift through.? My > personal approach is use original parts whenever I can ? they work and > they last! > > Cheers, Mirek > > *From:*Healeys *On Behalf Of *Michael > MacLean > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2023 8:42 AM > *To:* Ahealey help > *Subject:* [Healeys] Denis Welch Tappets Again > > As I get closer to starting my 100 engine I have yet to replace the > modified Denis Welch tappets like a list member suggested I do.? I got > nervous, so I ordered a set of NOS tappets from Ahead4Healeys to swap > with the installed Welch tappets recently.? Now, searching the > archives, I? find someone had problems with NOS lifters after 6000 > miles. Ruined a cam and the lifters.? So, what am I supposed to do > now?? Should I just buy aftermarket tappets?? Are the aftermarket > tappets hardened correctly?? Why wouldn't the NOS tappets be hardened > right?? I don't want to replace the cam after I get this thing running. > > Mike MacLean > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.oritt at gmail.com Wed May 24 08:44:36 2023 From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 10:44:36 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Denis Welch Tappets Again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At the risk of awakening Godzilla from his dormancy I'll go ahead and say the accursed letters: *ZDDP*! Best--Michael Oritt On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 10:34?AM Michael Salter wrote: > Speaking as someone who has over the years had 2 bouts of tappet failure > in 100 engines I would suggest that you are wise to be cautious. > I can't advise on the tappets that you have fitted but can say the I am > now using sets from A H Spares which are proving to be very satisfactory > and are different from those I have had problems with. > I have, in B.#174, a magnetic oil drain plug and have found that to be a > very good indicator of impending tappet failure. On the last 2 oil changes > there was absolutely no metal on the plug. > My procedure initial start procedure was to firstly remove the inner valve > springs as I have found that they and the additional pressure that they > produce are just not required as my engine exhibits absolutely no sign of > valve bounce right up to the red line. > I use Lucas 20/50 break in oil for the 1st 500 miles. > On first start I held the engine around 1500 RPM for about 20 minutes. (I > have difficulty believing that this is necessary but that's what the > experts recommend so you have to be sure that the cooling system is in good > shape). > I change to VR1 non synthetic 20/50 after 500 odd miles and then change > the oil every 3000 miles. > The engine in B#174 now runs with absolutely NO tappet clatter which is > pretty unusual for a 100. > I recently checked the valve clearances and they were unchanged after 2500 > miles, another good indicator that the cam and tappets are holding up well. > I'm sure others have had different experiences but I would recommend that > you make every effort to avoid a cam/tappet failure because rectification > requires a complete engine strip down. > Good luck. > > M > (Still running perfectly with outer springs only) > > On Wed., May 24, 2023, 8:46 a.m. Michael MacLean, < > springer.mike51 at gmail.com> wrote: > >> As I get closer to starting my 100 engine I have yet to replace the >> modified Denis Welch tappets like a list member suggested I do. I got >> nervous, so I ordered a set of NOS tappets from Ahead4Healeys to swap with >> the installed Welch tappets recently. Now, searching the archives, I find >> someone had problems with NOS lifters after 6000 miles. Ruined a cam and >> the lifters. So, what am I supposed to do now? Should I just buy >> aftermarket tappets? Are the aftermarket tappets hardened correctly? Why >> wouldn't the NOS tappets be hardened right? I don't want to replace the >> cam after I get this thing running. >> Mike MacLean >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healeydoc at sbcglobal.net Wed May 24 10:58:01 2023 From: healeydoc at sbcglobal.net (David Nock BCS) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 09:58:01 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Denis Welch Tappets Again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <030416FD29C1418481B2D099EC8939CD@DavidNockHP> We use Driven Break in oil 20/50 for the first 500 miles and then change over to Driven GPI 20/50 on all of our engines, and never had a cam failure David Nock British Car Specialists 209-948-8767 www.britishcarspecialists.com From: Michael Oritt via Healeys Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2023 7:44 AM To: Michael Salter Cc: Ahealey help Subject: Re: [Healeys] Denis Welch Tappets Again At the risk of awakening Godzilla from his dormancy I'll go ahead and say the accursed letters: ZDDP! Best--Michael Oritt On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 10:34?AM Michael Salter wrote: Speaking as someone who has over the years had 2 bouts of tappet failure in 100 engines I would suggest that you are wise to be cautious. I can't advise on the tappets that you have fitted but can say the I am now using sets from A H Spares which are proving to be very satisfactory and are different from those I have had problems with. I have, in B.#174, a magnetic oil drain plug and have found that to be a very good indicator of impending tappet failure. On the last 2 oil changes there was absolutely no metal on the plug. My procedure initial start procedure was to firstly remove the inner valve springs as I have found that they and the additional pressure that they produce are just not required as my engine exhibits absolutely no sign of valve bounce right up to the red line. I use Lucas 20/50 break in oil for the 1st 500 miles. On first start I held the engine around 1500 RPM for about 20 minutes. (I have difficulty believing that this is necessary but that's what the experts recommend so you have to be sure that the cooling system is in good shape). I change to VR1 non synthetic 20/50 after 500 odd miles and then change the oil every 3000 miles. The engine in B#174 now runs with absolutely NO tappet clatter which is pretty unusual for a 100. I recently checked the valve clearances and they were unchanged after 2500 miles, another good indicator that the cam and tappets are holding up well I'm sure others have had different experiences but I would recommend that you make every effort to avoid a cam/tappet failure because rectification requires a complete engine strip down. Good luck. M (Still running perfectly with outer springs only) On Wed., May 24, 2023, 8:46 a.m. Michael MacLean, wrote: As I get closer to starting my 100 engine I have yet to replace the modified Denis Welch tappets like a list member suggested I do. I got nervous, so I ordered a set of NOS tappets from Ahead4Healeys to swap with the installed Welch tappets recently. Now, searching the archives, I find someone had problems with NOS lifters after 6000 miles. Ruined a cam and the lifters. So, what am I supposed to do now? Should I just buy aftermarket tappets? Are the aftermarket tappets hardened correctly? Why wouldn't the NOS tappets be hardened right? I don't want to replace the cam after I get this thing running. 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URL: From springer.mike51 at gmail.com Wed May 24 14:05:59 2023 From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 13:05:59 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Denis Welch Tappets Again In-Reply-To: <014c01d98e45$9e092f70$da1b8e50$@sympatico.ca> References: <014c01d98e45$9e092f70$da1b8e50$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: Mirek, I am kind of at a disadvantage. The engine I have is assembled from parts from many engines. Nothing is original to anything in the engine. The head came off a 100M that had a bent valve, so there is one valve guide that is larger in diameter than the other seven. Even the two rear main caps are from another engine. I did have it line bored. Where I would get an original cam I don't know. The best I can do is have the cam lobes hardened by the people that ground it for me. (they were not hardened when it was ground originally) and use the OEM tappets I have on order. After that, carefully break it in. I appreciate your input. Mike MacLean On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 6:42?AM wrote: > Mike, I am really no expert on this, but having had cam/tappet issues with > my ?56 BSA motorcycle (same technology as a Healey) in the past I did look > into it about 18 years ago, and Mike Salter and I had a long discussion > about cams and tappets when we did my BT7 engine a few years ago. One > thing I was told by a bike engine builder I trust is that the hardness of > the cam lobes and the tappets should be the same. If they are mis-matched, > rapid wear can occur. It *may* (I am speculating) not be so much that > the cam or the tappets are not hardened properly, it is just that they are > hardened *differently*. I eventually ordered the motorcycle cam and > tappets from the same source with the promise that they were made to work > together. That seemed to work on the bike. I think buying a cam and > tappets from different sources is not the best idea. > > > > With my BT7, we were lucky, as even after over 100.000 miles, the cam had > virtually no wear, and only one tappet showed signs of wear, so that was > replaced with an good used original one that Mike had. So my original cam > and 11 of the tappets were re-used (with the tappets put back in the same > order as they came out). Only 2000 miles on the engine, so jury is still > out on that, but I just checked the tappet clearances and so far no signs > of wear. I am surprised that Ahead4Healeys actually have NOS tappets. Are > you sure that they are not re-manufactured? If they are actually NOS, I > would be inclined to use them and find a good original cam to use with them > (assuming the original one you have is too worn to re-use). The fact that > my original parts were fine after 100,000 miles are a testament to the > quality of the original parts. Mind you, I am only the second owner of the > car, and I knew the first owner well, and we both performed regular > maintenance; that is key to longevity. > > > > Also, I don?t know what you are doing with valve springs and rocker gear. > Remember whenever you deviate from stock, there are repercussions. Higher > lift cams, increased spring pressure, etc., all excerpt additional stresses > on cam lobes and tappets. > > > > Good luck with it ? these are hard decisions when re-building and there is > so much mythology about cams and tappets to sift through. My personal > approach is use original parts whenever I can ? they work and they last! > > > > Cheers, Mirek > > > > *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Michael > MacLean > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2023 8:42 AM > *To:* Ahealey help > *Subject:* [Healeys] Denis Welch Tappets Again > > > > As I get closer to starting my 100 engine I have yet to replace the > modified Denis Welch tappets like a list member suggested I do. I got > nervous, so I ordered a set of NOS tappets from Ahead4Healeys to swap with > the installed Welch tappets recently. Now, searching the archives, I find > someone had problems with NOS lifters after 6000 miles. Ruined a cam and > the lifters. So, what am I supposed to do now? Should I just buy > aftermarket tappets? Are the aftermarket tappets hardened correctly? Why > wouldn't the NOS tappets be hardened right? I don't want to replace the > cam after I get this thing running. > > Mike MacLean > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From springer.mike51 at gmail.com Wed May 24 14:08:04 2023 From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 13:08:04 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Denis Welch Tappets Again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This thread got me thinking. I had the cam ground at a reputable cam grinder locally. (Web Cams) They have been grinding cams for Healeys since the 60s. I just got off the phone with them and asked if they had hardened the lobes of the cam they ground for me. When they looked it up the paperwork showed the cam was simply ground, not hardened. They will harden it for $50. Of course it has to come out of the assembled engine first. Also Michael, the very experienced Healey engine builder that built my short block, who has since passed away, told me to use the old used springs for the valves. He said it would tick over nicely at 700 rpm. Of course through conflicting information I installed new double springs. I still have the old springs. As long as I will be taking this all apart again, I might as well put just the outer set of used springs back on the head. Mike MacLean On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 6:47?AM Michael Salter wrote: > Speaking as someone who has over the years had 2 bouts of tappet failure > in 100 engines I would suggest that you are wise to be cautious. > I can't advise on the tappets that you have fitted but can say the I am > now using sets from A H Spares which are proving to be very satisfactory > and are different from those I have had problems with. > I have, in B.#174, a magnetic oil drain plug and have found that to be a > very good indicator of impending tappet failure. On the last 2 oil changes > there was absolutely no metal on the plug. > My procedure initial start procedure was to firstly remove the inner valve > springs as I have found that they and the additional pressure that they > produce are just not required as my engine exhibits absolutely no sign of > valve bounce right up to the red line. > I use Lucas 20/50 break in oil for the 1st 500 miles. > On first start I held the engine around 1500 RPM for about 20 minutes. (I > have difficulty believing that this is necessary but that's what the > experts recommend so you have to be sure that the cooling system is in good > shape). > I change to VR1 non synthetic 20/50 after 500 odd miles and then change > the oil every 3000 miles. > The engine in B#174 now runs with absolutely NO tappet clatter which is > pretty unusual for a 100. > I recently checked the valve clearances and they were unchanged after 2500 > miles, another good indicator that the cam and tappets are holding up well. > I'm sure others have had different experiences but I would recommend that > you make every effort to avoid a cam/tappet failure because rectification > requires a complete engine strip down. > Good luck. > > M > (Still running perfectly with outer springs only) > > On Wed., May 24, 2023, 8:46 a.m. Michael MacLean, < > springer.mike51 at gmail.com> wrote: > >> As I get closer to starting my 100 engine I have yet to replace the >> modified Denis Welch tappets like a list member suggested I do. I got >> nervous, so I ordered a set of NOS tappets from Ahead4Healeys to swap with >> the installed Welch tappets recently. Now, searching the archives, I find >> someone had problems with NOS lifters after 6000 miles. Ruined a cam and >> the lifters. So, what am I supposed to do now? Should I just buy >> aftermarket tappets? Are the aftermarket tappets hardened correctly? Why >> wouldn't the NOS tappets be hardened right? I don't want to replace the >> cam after I get this thing running. >> Mike MacLean >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boyracer466 at gmail.com Wed May 24 15:19:14 2023 From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (richard mayor) Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 14:19:14 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Denis Welch Tappets Again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69D2E1A4-B81A-4D0D-835A-27A30B06DC04@gmail.com> Forgive my ignorance here but I have never heard of a cam being ?hardened?. As racer for many years and with many race engine builds under my belt I have had cams and lifters (and many other engine parts) cryogenically treated. I know cranks are hardened by nitriding. But I?ve never know anyone to nitride a cam. Richard Mayor boyracer466 at gmail.com > On May 24, 2023, at 1:08 PM, Michael MacLean wrote: > > This thread got me thinking. I had the cam ground at a reputable cam grinder locally. (Web Cams) They have been grinding cams for Healeys since the 60s. I just got off the phone with them and asked if they had hardened the lobes of the cam they ground for me. When they looked it up the paperwork showed the cam was simply ground, not hardened. They will harden it for $50. Of course it has to come out of the assembled engine first. Also Michael, the very experienced Healey engine builder that built my short block, who has since passed away, told me to use the old used springs for the valves. He said it would tick over nicely at 700 rpm. Of course through conflicting information I installed new double springs. I still have the old springs. As long as I will be taking this all apart again, I might as well put just the outer set of used springs back on the head. > Mike MacLean > > On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 6:47?AM Michael Salter > wrote: >> Speaking as someone who has over the years had 2 bouts of tappet failure in 100 engines I would suggest that you are wise to be cautious. >> I can't advise on the tappets that you have fitted but can say the I am now using sets from A H Spares which are proving to be very satisfactory and are different from those I have had problems with. >> I have, in B.#174, a magnetic oil drain plug and have found that to be a very good indicator of impending tappet failure. On the last 2 oil changes there was absolutely no metal on the plug. >> My procedure initial start procedure was to firstly remove the inner valve springs as I have found that they and the additional pressure that they produce are just not required as my engine exhibits absolutely no sign of valve bounce right up to the red line. >> I use Lucas 20/50 break in oil for the 1st 500 miles. >> On first start I held the engine around 1500 RPM for about 20 minutes. (I have difficulty believing that this is necessary but that's what the experts recommend so you have to be sure that the cooling system is in good shape). >> I change to VR1 non synthetic 20/50 after 500 odd miles and then change the oil every 3000 miles. >> The engine in B#174 now runs with absolutely NO tappet clatter which is pretty unusual for a 100. >> I recently checked the valve clearances and they were unchanged after 2500 miles, another good indicator that the cam and tappets are holding up well. >> I'm sure others have had different experiences but I would recommend that you make every effort to avoid a cam/tappet failure because rectification requires a complete engine strip down. >> Good luck. >> >> M >> (Still running perfectly with outer springs only) >> >> On Wed., May 24, 2023, 8:46 a.m. Michael MacLean, > wrote: >>> As I get closer to starting my 100 engine I have yet to replace the modified Denis Welch tappets like a list member suggested I do. I got nervous, so I ordered a set of NOS tappets from Ahead4Healeys to swap with the installed Welch tappets recently. Now, searching the archives, I find someone had problems with NOS lifters after 6000 miles. Ruined a cam and the lifters. So, what am I supposed to do now? Should I just buy aftermarket tappets? Are the aftermarket tappets hardened correctly? Why wouldn't the NOS tappets be hardened right? I don't want to replace the cam after I get this thing running. >>> Mike MacLean >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com >>> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/boyracer466 at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The tested output is 13.7 volts and is less than the 14.2 volts I was expecting. I can't find any specs for the NCB100D and was wondering if anyone else has one of these and tested the voltage at the battery. Thanks... Harold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NCB100D.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1692748 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Thu May 25 18:20:43 2023 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Thu, 25 May 2023 17:20:43 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Lucas NCB100D 12 Volt, 35 Amp Negative Earth Voltage Regulator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Harold, Did you get instructions with this unit? I'm guessing the two potentiometers--aka 'trim pots'--will allow some adjustment of output. BTW, where did you get it, if you don't mind sharing? Bob On 5/25/2023 3:55 PM, Harold Manifold wrote: > Hello, > > When I restored my car the original Lucas voltage regulator was toast > so I replaced it with a digital Lucas NCB100D. The NCB100D has > screw-in terminals and from the outside is identical to the original. > The tested output is 13.7 volts and is less than the 14.2 volts?I was > expecting. I can't find any specs for the NCB100D and was wondering if > anyone else has one of these and tested the voltage at the battery. > > Thanks... Harold > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bspidell at comcast.net > From manifold at telus.net Thu May 25 18:55:59 2023 From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold) Date: Thu, 25 May 2023 17:55:59 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Lucas NCB100D 12 Volt, 35 Amp Negative Earth Voltage Regulator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The unit I have was purchased from British Parts Northwest but is available from a number of other sources as well. Unfortunately it didn't come with any instructions and I haven't been able to find anything online. I suspect it can be adjusted but not sure how. Harold On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 5:29?PM Bob Spidell wrote: > Harold, > > Did you get instructions with this unit? I'm guessing the two > potentiometers--aka 'trim pots'--will allow some adjustment of output. > > BTW, where did you get it, if you don't mind sharing? > > Bob > > On 5/25/2023 3:55 PM, Harold Manifold wrote: > > Hello, > > > > When I restored my car the original Lucas voltage regulator was toast > > so I replaced it with a digital Lucas NCB100D. The NCB100D has > > screw-in terminals and from the outside is identical to the original. > > The tested output is 13.7 volts and is less than the 14.2 volts I was > > expecting. I can't find any specs for the NCB100D and was wondering if > > anyone else has one of these and tested the voltage at the battery. > > > > Thanks... 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According to David the original cams in big Healey engines are hardened all the way through. Re-grinding a profile in an old cam will not be a problem with hardness. In fact, As David explained to me, typically tappets are supposed to be 5 points harder than the cam surface. He told me to just run it. David also said any damage to the cam or lifters is done in that first 20 minutes of break in. Any subsequent damage would show up in filings in the oil and having to keep re-adjusting the rockers. I guess a magnetic drain plug is next to add to my parts order. Kind of sorry I started this thread, but it was quite an education. When I started researching timing the cam for reinstallation my head hurt from all the variables and figuring to be done. I am not an engine builder. I can assemble and install a head, adjust the valves, change the oil, adjust the timing with the distributor and install a clutch, but my expertise kind of ends there. I certainly appreciate all the input of the list though. Knowledge of these engines is not something I can go to the local mechanic about. Mike MacLean On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 6:47?AM Michael Salter wrote: > Speaking as someone who has over the years had 2 bouts of tappet failure > in 100 engines I would suggest that you are wise to be cautious. > I can't advise on the tappets that you have fitted but can say the I am > now using sets from A H Spares which are proving to be very satisfactory > and are different from those I have had problems with. > I have, in B.#174, a magnetic oil drain plug and have found that to be a > very good indicator of impending tappet failure. On the last 2 oil changes > there was absolutely no metal on the plug. > My procedure initial start procedure was to firstly remove the inner valve > springs as I have found that they and the additional pressure that they > produce are just not required as my engine exhibits absolutely no sign of > valve bounce right up to the red line. > I use Lucas 20/50 break in oil for the 1st 500 miles. > On first start I held the engine around 1500 RPM for about 20 minutes. (I > have difficulty believing that this is necessary but that's what the > experts recommend so you have to be sure that the cooling system is in good > shape). > I change to VR1 non synthetic 20/50 after 500 odd miles and then change > the oil every 3000 miles. > The engine in B#174 now runs with absolutely NO tappet clatter which is > pretty unusual for a 100. > I recently checked the valve clearances and they were unchanged after 2500 > miles, another good indicator that the cam and tappets are holding up well. > I'm sure others have had different experiences but I would recommend that > you make every effort to avoid a cam/tappet failure because rectification > requires a complete engine strip down. > Good luck. > > M > (Still running perfectly with outer springs only) > > On Wed., May 24, 2023, 8:46 a.m. Michael MacLean, < > springer.mike51 at gmail.com> wrote: > >> As I get closer to starting my 100 engine I have yet to replace the >> modified Denis Welch tappets like a list member suggested I do. I got >> nervous, so I ordered a set of NOS tappets from Ahead4Healeys to swap with >> the installed Welch tappets recently. Now, searching the archives, I find >> someone had problems with NOS lifters after 6000 miles. Ruined a cam and >> the lifters. So, what am I supposed to do now? Should I just buy >> aftermarket tappets? Are the aftermarket tappets hardened correctly? Why >> wouldn't the NOS tappets be hardened right? I don't want to replace the >> cam after I get this thing running. >> Mike MacLean >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From healeymanjim at hansencc.net Mon May 29 12:11:35 2023 From: healeymanjim at hansencc.net (=?utf-8?Q?healeymanjim?=) Date: Mon, 29 May 2023 11:11:35 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] =?utf-8?q?fuel_pumps?= Message-ID: <20230529181135.21928.qmail@server278.com> have two solid state fuel pumps i have given up on. free for the shipping cost. on pos gnd one neg gnd. myself and fellow healey owner have gone back to points type and are happy with that. From coudesluijs at chello.nl Mon May 29 14:22:22 2023 From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs) Date: Mon, 29 May 2023 22:22:22 +0200 Subject: [Healeys] fuel pumps In-Reply-To: <20230529181135.21928.qmail@server278.com> References: <20230529181135.21928.qmail@server278.com> Message-ID: <7110e9e3-da22-6647-51c1-9b2f3ac11d7c@chello.nl> Sadly I hear this fairly often. The SU solid state pumps seem not reliable enough and when they go wrong you usually cannot do much to fix them. Sometimes they can be fixed when the little white bush that guides the rod on the membrane drops away or when the steel part that triggers the pump gets slightly dislodged. This can sometimes be rectified/tweeked but it is not that simple and definitely not a job you want to do at the road side. The points versions can usually made going "en route" fairly easily if they stop which is very rare as long as they are in regular use. Kees Oudesluijs Op 29-5-2023 om 20:11 schreef healeymanjim via Healeys: > have two solid state fuel pumps i have given up on. free for the shipping cost. on pos gnd one neg gnd. myself and fellow healey owner have gone back to points type and are happy with that. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/coudesluijs at chello.nl > -- Dit e-mailbericht is met AVG-antivirussoftware gecontroleerd op virussen. www.avg.com From alfuller194 at gmail.com Mon May 29 16:57:32 2023 From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 29 May 2023 15:57:32 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] fuel pumps In-Reply-To: <20230529181135.21928.qmail@server278.com> References: <20230529181135.21928.qmail@server278.com> Message-ID: <047d01d99280$f3d7b6d0$db872470$@gmail.com> Jim - I'll take them. I can pick them up. ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller -----Original Message----- From: Healeys On Behalf Of healeymanjim via Healeys Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 11:12 AM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] fuel pumps have two solid state fuel pumps i have given up on. free for the shipping cost. on pos gnd one neg gnd. myself and fellow healey owner have gone back to points type and are happy with that. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/alfuller194 at gmail.com From tomfelts at windstream.net Tue May 30 03:55:26 2023 From: tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts) Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 05:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Healeys] fuel pumps In-Reply-To: <047d01d99280$f3d7b6d0$db872470$@gmail.com> References: <20230529181135.21928.qmail@server278.com> <047d01d99280$f3d7b6d0$db872470$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1465867786.167792528.1685440526534.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> nteresting---I'm believe I am having problems with my solid state one now. it works, but is weak in pumping--so much so that while looking at the see-thru filter, there is very little fuel in it. I have had the Healey shut down on me several times recently which I have attributed to fuel starvation. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: alfuller194 at gmail.com To: "healeymanjim" , "healeys" Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 6:57:32 PM Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pumps Jim - I'll take them. I can pick them up. ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller -----Original Message----- From: Healeys On Behalf Of healeymanjim via Healeys Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 11:12 AM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] fuel pumps have two solid state fuel pumps i have given up on. free for the shipping cost. on pos gnd one neg gnd. myself and fellow healey owner have gone back to points type and are happy with that. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/alfuller194 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/tomfelts at windstream.net From eyera3000 at gmail.com Tue May 30 08:41:20 2023 From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs) Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 16:41:20 +0200 Subject: [Healeys] Balancing brakes drums the right way In-Reply-To: <0A4E7642-5C6C-4AE0-B489-0B2CA410B28C@gmail.com> References: <0A4E7642-5C6C-4AE0-B489-0B2CA410B28C@gmail.com> Message-ID: I had new drums for my midget tried at a machine shop. Car ran smoother and stopped better On Sun, May 21, 2023, 3:06 AM richard mayor wrote: > Get a bubble balancer from Harbor Fright. Use a regular wheel weight > placed on the big fin to get it balanced. Try different weights to find the > right one. Then slice off a similar size from the large fin on the opposite > side of the drum using an angle grinder with a cut-off wheel. No > ?machining?. No grinding. This will NOT affect the structural integrity of > the drum or its ability to dissipate heat as some have suggested. > > > B[image: IMG_1254.jpeg] > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3000 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1254.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 88509 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1254.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 88509 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alfuller194 at gmail.com Tue May 30 12:56:30 2023 From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 11:56:30 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] fuel pumps In-Reply-To: <1465867786.167792528.1685440526534.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> References: <20230529181135.21928.qmail@server278.com> <047d01d99280$f3d7b6d0$db872470$@gmail.com> <1465867786.167792528.1685440526534.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> Message-ID: <056101d99328$72adada0$580908e0$@gmail.com> Tom - does it pump at the usual rate and for the usual time? Faster? [Might signal an air leak, and not enough pressure to get it to slow down] Slower? [Might signal a blocked screen at the pump or carb[s], or blocked/pinched/collapsed fuel line, generating enough pressure to make the pump slow down or stop - same as if the float bowl was full. ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller -----Original Message----- From: Tom Felts Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 2:55 AM To: alfuller194 at gmail.com Cc: healeymanjim ; healeys Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pumps nteresting---I'm believe I am having problems with my solid state one now. it works, but is weak in pumping--so much so that while looking at the see-thru filter, there is very little fuel in it. I have had the Healey shut down on me several times recently which I have attributed to fuel starvation. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: alfuller194 at gmail.com To: "healeymanjim" , "healeys" Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 6:57:32 PM Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pumps Jim - I'll take them. I can pick them up. ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller -----Original Message----- From: Healeys On Behalf Of healeymanjim via Healeys Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 11:12 AM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] fuel pumps have two solid state fuel pumps i have given up on. free for the shipping cost. on pos gnd one neg gnd. myself and fellow healey owner have gone back to points type and are happy with that. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/alfuller194 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/tomfelts at windstream.net From drtommitch at gmail.com Tue May 30 20:24:26 2023 From: drtommitch at gmail.com (Tom Mitchell) Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 22:24:26 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] fuel pumps In-Reply-To: <056101d99328$72adada0$580908e0$@gmail.com> References: <20230529181135.21928.qmail@server278.com> <047d01d99280$f3d7b6d0$db872470$@gmail.com> <1465867786.167792528.1685440526534.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> <056101d99328$72adada0$580908e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I have one of each pumps installed. The points pump does pump slower but I attributed that to being 20 years old. The electronic pump is about 10 years old and does pump faster. Both seem to work fine. Except for the points pump, I have to hit the bulkhead every now and then to get it started. On Tue, May 30, 2023, 6:04 PM wrote: > Tom - does it pump at the usual rate and for the usual time? > > Faster? [Might signal an air leak, and not enough pressure to get it to > slow down] > > Slower? [Might signal a blocked screen at the pump or carb[s], or > blocked/pinched/collapsed fuel line, generating enough pressure to make the > pump slow down or stop - same as if the float bowl was full. > > ---------------- > All the best, > > Al Fuller > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Felts > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 2:55 AM > To: alfuller194 at gmail.com > Cc: healeymanjim ; healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pumps > > nteresting---I'm believe I am having problems with my solid state one > now. it works, but is weak in pumping--so much so that while looking at > the see-thru filter, there is very little fuel in it. I have had the > Healey shut down on me several times recently which I have attributed to > fuel starvation. > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: alfuller194 at gmail.com > To: "healeymanjim" , "healeys" < > healeys at autox.team.net> > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 6:57:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pumps > > Jim - I'll take them. I can pick them up. > > ---------------- > All the best, > > Al Fuller > > -----Original Message----- > From: Healeys On Behalf Of healeymanjim > via Healeys > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 11:12 AM > To: healeys at autox.team.net > Subject: [Healeys] fuel pumps > > have two solid state fuel pumps i have given up on. free for the shipping > cost. on pos gnd one neg gnd. myself and fellow healey owner have gone > back to points type and are happy with that. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation > $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/alfuller194 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual > donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/tomfelts at windstream.net > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/drtommitch at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfuller194 at gmail.com Tue May 30 23:16:09 2023 From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 22:16:09 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] fuel pumps In-Reply-To: References: <20230529181135.21928.qmail@server278.com> <047d01d99280$f3d7b6d0$db872470$@gmail.com> <1465867786.167792528.1685440526534.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> <056101d99328$72adada0$580908e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <09ae01d9937f$0340fa60$09c2ef20$@gmail.com> Tom Mitchell ? thanks for that, but I was directing the question at Tom Felts to help diagnose his issue? ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller From: Tom Mitchell Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 7:24 PM To: Alfonso Fuller Cc: Tom Felts ; healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pumps Hi, I have one of each pumps installed. The points pump does pump slower but I attributed that to being 20 years old. The electronic pump is about 10 years old and does pump faster. Both seem to work fine. Except for the points pump, I have to hit the bulkhead every now and then to get it started. On Tue, May 30, 2023, 6:04 PM > wrote: Tom - does it pump at the usual rate and for the usual time? Faster? [Might signal an air leak, and not enough pressure to get it to slow down] Slower? [Might signal a blocked screen at the pump or carb[s], or blocked/pinched/collapsed fuel line, generating enough pressure to make the pump slow down or stop - same as if the float bowl was full. ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller -----Original Message----- From: Tom Felts > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 2:55 AM To: alfuller194 at gmail.com Cc: healeymanjim >; healeys > Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pumps nteresting---I'm believe I am having problems with my solid state one now. it works, but is weak in pumping--so much so that while looking at the see-thru filter, there is very little fuel in it. I have had the Healey shut down on me several times recently which I have attributed to fuel starvation. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: alfuller194 at gmail.com To: "healeymanjim" >, "healeys" > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 6:57:32 PM Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pumps Jim - I'll take them. I can pick them up. ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller -----Original Message----- From: Healeys > On Behalf Of healeymanjim via Healeys Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 11:12 AM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] fuel pumps have two solid state fuel pumps i have given up on. free for the shipping cost. on pos gnd one neg gnd. myself and fellow healey owner have gone back to points type and are happy with that. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/alfuller194 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/tomfelts at windstream.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/drtommitch at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boyracer466 at gmail.com Wed May 31 10:05:24 2023 From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (Ricchardd Mayor) Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 09:05:24 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] fuel pumps In-Reply-To: References: <20230529181135.21928.qmail@server278.com> <047d01d99280$f3d7b6d0$db872470$@gmail.com> <1465867786.167792528.1685440526534.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> <056101d99328$72adada0$580908e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1B8545C9-6AB0-4DE6-BCC6-EFF5EDD08D37@gmail.com> FYI. When the points in the SU fuel pump stick together - it stops pumping. Thumping on the rear bulkhead is just enough to create a vibration that makes them separate. Sticking points can usually be fixed by cleaning the points with some very fine sandpaper. Richard Mayor boyracer466 at gmail.com > On May 30, 2023, at 7:24 PM, Tom Mitchell wrote: > > Hi, > > I have one of each pumps installed. The points pump does pump slower but I attributed that to being 20 years old. The electronic pump is about 10 years old and does pump faster. Both seem to work fine. Except for the points pump, I have to hit the bulkhead every now and then to get it started. > > On Tue, May 30, 2023, 6:04 PM > wrote: > Tom - does it pump at the usual rate and for the usual time? > > Faster? [Might signal an air leak, and not enough pressure to get it to slow down] > > Slower? [Might signal a blocked screen at the pump or carb[s], or blocked/pinched/collapsed fuel line, generating enough pressure to make the pump slow down or stop - same as if the float bowl was full. > > ---------------- > All the best, > > Al Fuller > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Felts > > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 2:55 AM > To: alfuller194 at gmail.com > Cc: healeymanjim >; healeys > > Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pumps > > nteresting---I'm believe I am having problems with my solid state one now. it works, but is weak in pumping--so much so that while looking at the see-thru filter, there is very little fuel in it. I have had the Healey shut down on me several times recently which I have attributed to fuel starvation. > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: alfuller194 at gmail.com > To: "healeymanjim" >, "healeys" > > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 6:57:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pumps > > Jim - I'll take them. I can pick them up. > > ---------------- > All the best, > > Al Fuller > > -----Original Message----- > From: Healeys > On Behalf Of healeymanjim via Healeys > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 11:12 AM > To: healeys at autox.team.net > Subject: [Healeys] fuel pumps > > have two solid state fuel pumps i have given up on. free for the shipping cost. on pos gnd one neg gnd. myself and fellow healey owner have gone back to points type and are happy with that. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation > $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/alfuller194 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/tomfelts at windstream.net > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/drtommitch at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/boyracer466 at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Wed May 31 19:42:30 2023 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 18:42:30 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] fuel pumps In-Reply-To: <1B8545C9-6AB0-4DE6-BCC6-EFF5EDD08D37@gmail.com> References: <20230529181135.21928.qmail@server278.com> <047d01d99280$f3d7b6d0$db872470$@gmail.com> <1465867786.167792528.1685440526534.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> <056101d99328$72adada0$580908e0$@gmail.com> <1B8545C9-6AB0-4DE6-BCC6-EFF5EDD08D37@gmail.com> Message-ID: Good idea to run some paper--matchbook cover is good--through the points after you've filed/sanded the surface. On 5/31/2023 9:05 AM, Ricchardd Mayor wrote: > FYI. ? When the points in the SU fuel pump stick together - it stops > pumping. Thumping on the rear bulkhead is just enough to create a > vibration that makes them separate. ?Sticking points can usually be > fixed by cleaning the points with some very fine sandpaper. > > Richard?Mayor > boyracer466 at gmail.com > > >> On May 30, 2023, at 7:24 PM, Tom Mitchell wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I have one of each pumps installed. The points pump does pump slower >> but I attributed that to being 20 years old. The electronic pump is >> about 10 years old and does pump faster. Both seem to work fine. >> Except for the points pump, I have to hit the bulkhead every now and >> then to get it started. >> >> On Tue, May 30, 2023, 6:04 PM wrote: >> >> Tom - does it pump at the usual rate and for the usual time? >> >> Faster? [Might signal an air leak, and not enough pressure to get >> it to slow down] >> >> Slower? [Might signal a blocked screen at the pump or carb[s], or >> blocked/pinched/collapsed fuel line, generating enough pressure >> to make the pump slow down or stop - same as if the float bowl >> was full. >> >> ---------------- >> All the best, >> >> Al Fuller >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tom Felts >> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 2:55 AM >> To: alfuller194 at gmail.com >> Cc: healeymanjim ; healeys >> >> Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pumps >> >> nteresting---I'm believe I am having problems with my solid state >> one now.? it works, but is weak in pumping--so much so that while >> looking at the see-thru filter, there is very little fuel in it.? >> I have had the? Healey shut down on me several times recently >> which I have attributed to fuel starvation. >> Tom >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: alfuller194 at gmail.com >> To: "healeymanjim" , "healeys" >> >> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 6:57:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pumps >> >> Jim - I'll take them. I can pick them up. >> >> ---------------- >> All the best, >> >> Al Fuller >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Healeys On Behalf Of >> healeymanjim via Healeys >> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 11:12 AM >> To: healeys at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Healeys] fuel pumps >> >> have two solid state fuel pumps i have given up on. free for the >> shipping cost.? on pos gnd one neg gnd. myself and fellow healey >> owner have gone back to points type and are happy with that. >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: