From tomfelts at windstream.net  Wed Aug  2 04:12:29 2023
From: tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 06:12:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Healeys] Fuel pump / Ignition keys
In-Reply-To: <984c01d9c3cf$c245c820$46d15860$@gmail.com>
References: <C4D30A10-84E9-46C9-A4F9-E1D4503D6B58.ref@aol.com>
 <C4D30A10-84E9-46C9-A4F9-E1D4503D6B58@aol.com>
 <984c01d9c3cf$c245c820$46d15860$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1393155184.15354899.1690971149850.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>

I'll chime in.  When I shipped our Healey to Europe from NY, I made a list of hoe to start the car for them.  I drove to the lot, parked the car and gave them that lit and the keys.  my battery was dead when I picked it up in Antwerp and it was because they had left the radio on and it ran the battery down.  Other than that, no problems---i did install the two tow hooks on the frame in front.  Have had to use them once since installing them, but I'm like having them.
tom

----- Original Message -----
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com
To: "Perry Small" <healeyguy at aol.com>, "Ahealey help" <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 12:55:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fuel pump / Ignition keys

Perry - from my limited experience, it appears to vary by port and/or
logistics company. 

At LA/Long beach they had us drive into a loading bay area, took pictures,
then they drove the cars to the warehouse in the back. As such, we lost
control over the keys pretty much immediately. 

At Fredrikstad, Norway we drove them directly into the warehouse ourselves.
The instruction then was any car with a battery master switch was left with
the master switch 'off', boot lid open, and key in the boot lock.

----------------
All the best,

Al Fuller

-----Original Message-----
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Perry Small via
Healeys
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2023 11:36 AM
To: Ahealey help <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Fuel pump / Ignition keys

My experience with shipping cars from or to Hawaii was that keys for all
locked or lockable locations on the car be left with the check in office but
not left inserted in the ignition. Has been 12 years since the last car was
shipped but suspect it has not changed. If working properly the key can not
be removed if the ignition switch in in the on position Perry

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From warthodson at aol.com  Wed Aug  2 08:15:09 2023
From: warthodson at aol.com (warthodson at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 14:15:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Fw: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick - Westport Vintage
 Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672
In-Reply-To: <64c932d7d824b_2472abbf7212d242010617b.sidekiq-frequent-fd-poduseast1-main1-blue-5f976c5dbc-zz8mm@forward.freshdesk.com>
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Message-ID: <1126169560.831457.1690985709851@mail.yahoo.com>

 I? recently ordered a set of gas tank hold down straps from Moss motors. They are well constructed with 1 exception. The "strap pad" (packing) thickness is .25" vs .125" original thickness based upon several old straps I have. Not only is their strapping twice as thick, it also is 2 layers of .125" material. See attached Moss photo. This means that the steel straps sit twice as high off of the gas tank. See Moss photo of an MGA tank. Apparently, the Moss vendor made them to the Moss specification. It is the specification that is in error.Am I correct that the packing material should be .125" thick? Were MGA strap pads thicker than Healeys?Has anyone run into this since 2010?Gary Hodson??

?   ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Tech <moss.tech at mossmotors.com>To: "warthodson at aol.com" <warthodson at aol.com>Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:29:19 AM CDTSubject: Fwd: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick - Westport Vintage Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672
  Please take a look at ticket?#132027?raised by Stu Bowman (bowmans at mossmotors.com).Hello,?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? The strap pad thickness of just under 0.25? matches our 2010 drawing specifications and has been produced to those specifications for thirteen years now. We have not found the straps to cause an installation issue during that time.?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I have attached a photo of the prototype strap that preceded our specification changes on this part number. Please note the strap is in a fully installed state when this photo was taken.
With regards,

?Ken ? Hyndman
?
?Tech ?Services (Mon - Thurs. 10am ? 3.45 pm PST )
?Moss Motors, LTD.?
?800-667-7872 ext 7252
hyndmank at mossmotors.com
 
 On Fri, 14 Jul at 6:12 AM , Stu Bowman <bowmans at mossmotors.com> wrote: ??MOSS MOTORS TECHNICAL SUPPORT REQUEST?TECHNICAL/PRODUCT ISSUE. IF UPHOLSTERY ISSUE PLEASE INCLUDE JUP#:?WHAT EXACTLY IS THE ISSUE? ...............:gas tanks strap, the packing on it , is too thickSee pic?s?Please call custom er advise of proper size packing on stripTROUBLESHOOT / RESOLUTION????..:Part #:........................: 853-810 gas tank stripMoss Inv #:...........................: 5-6162672Moss Manufactured upholstery JUP #..............................:Has part been installed? ????????..:CUSTOMER INFO:Customer #..........................: 7-755606Contact Name:..................: waestport vintage restorationsPhone:.................................: 913-441-8335Email Address:....................:warthodson at aol.comCAR INFO:Year???: allModel??: ahyANYTHING SPECIAL ABOUT THE CAR/ENGINE?.....:PHOTOS OF PROBLEM:??Moss Technical Services Action Taken:?????From: Warthodson <warthodson at aol.com> 
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2023 4:19 PM
To: Stu Bowman <bowmans at mossmotors.com>
Subject: 853-310??? 
 
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From gradea1 at charter.net  Wed Aug  2 10:47:54 2023
From: gradea1 at charter.net (Hank Leach)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2023 16:47:54 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Fw: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick - Westport
 Vintage Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672
Message-ID: <5a95bf1e1aeb949bb2b4dc1e77ab0b0054ec12e6@webmail>

Might depend on the car involved. At chassis 151608-151610 the petrol
tank straps and packing were modified. Knowing Moss, they always opt
for the later release and ignore the early cars. The photo of the
packing is way too thick. The length of the straps may be longer as
well. The early tanks were a two piece assembly, then later a one
piece. Cinching down the bolts under the boot floor would shorten the
straps until you run out of threads. Packing under the tank will also
affect the assembly. Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: "warthodson--- via
Healeys" 
To: "healeys at autox.team.net"
Cc: "mosstech at mossmotors.com"
Sent: Wednesday August 2 2023 8:03:59AM
Subject: [Healeys] Fw: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick - Westport
Vintage Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672

  I recently ordered a set of gas tank hold down straps from Moss
motors. They are well constructed with 1 exception. The "strap pad"
(packing) thickness is .25" vs .125" original thickness based upon
several old straps I have. Not only is their strapping twice as thick,
it also is 2 layers of .125" material. See attached Moss photo. This
means that the steel straps sit twice as high off of the gas tank. See
Moss photo of an MGA tank. Apparently, the Moss vendor made them to
the Moss specification. It is the specification that is in error. Am I
correct that the packing material should be .125" thick? Were MGA
strap pads thicker than Healeys? Has anyone run into this since 2010?
Gary Hodson  

      ----- Forwarded Message ----- FROM: Tech  TO:
"warthodson at aol.com"  SENT: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:29:19 AM CDT
SUBJECT: Fwd: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick - Westport Vintage
Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672 
      Please take a look at ticket #132027 [1] raised by Stu Bowman
(bowmans at mossmotors.com). Hello, ? The strap pad thickness of just
under 0.25? matches our 2010 drawing specifications and has been
produced to those specifications for thirteen years now. We have not
found the straps to cause an installation issue during that time.    I
have attached a photo of the prototype strap that preceded our
specification changes on this part number. Please note the strap is in
a fully installed state when this photo was taken. 
   With regards,

 Ken Hyndman
 ?
 Tech Services (Mon - Thurs. 10am ? 3.45 pm PST )
 Moss Motors, LTD. 
 800-667-7872 ext 7252
hyndmank at mossmotors.com 
  ON FRI, 14 JUL AT 6:12 AM , STU BOWMAN  WROTE:         MOSS MOTORS
TECHNICAL SUPPORT REQUEST    TECHNICAL/PRODUCT ISSUE. IF UPHOLSTERY
ISSUE PLEASE INCLUDE JUP#:    WHAT EXACTLY IS THE ISSUE?
...............:gas tanks strap, the packing on it , is too thick See
pic?s    Please call custom er advise of proper size packing on
strip TROUBLESHOOT / RESOLUTION????..: Part
#:........................: 853-810 gas tank strip Moss Inv
#:...........................: 5-6162672 Moss Manufactured upholstery
JUP #..............................: Has part been installed?
????????.: CUSTOMER INFO: Customer
#..........................: 7-755606 Contact Name:..................:
waestport vintage restorations
Phone:................................: 913-441-8335 Email
Address:...................: warthodson at aol.com CAR INFO:
Year???: all Model??: ahy ANYTHING SPECIAL ABOUT THE
CAR/ENGINE?.....: PHOTOS OF PROBLEM:     Moss Technical Services
Action Taken:                  FROM: Warthodson 
SENT: Thursday, July 13, 2023 4:19 PM
TO: Stu Bowman 
SUBJECT: 853-310                   
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From warthodson at aol.com  Thu Aug  3 07:05:46 2023
From: warthodson at aol.com (warthodson at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 13:05:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Fw: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick - Westport
 Vintage Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672
In-Reply-To: <5a95bf1e1aeb949bb2b4dc1e77ab0b0054ec12e6@webmail>
References: <5a95bf1e1aeb949bb2b4dc1e77ab0b0054ec12e6@webmail>
Message-ID: <170086221.1240709.1691067946871@mail.yahoo.com>

 I have an original tank strap from a '64 Phase 1 BJ8 & an early BN1. The packing material is .125" thick on both.?Gary H
    On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:47:55 AM CDT, Hank Leach <gradea1 at charter.net> wrote:  
 
 Might depend on the car involved.? At chassis 151608-151610 the petrol tank straps and packing were modified. Knowing Moss, they always opt for the later release and ignore the early cars. The photo of the packing is way too thick.? The length of the straps may be longer as well. The early tanks were a two piece assembly, then later a one piece. Cinching down the bolts under the boot floor would shorten the straps until you run out of threads. Packing under the tank will also affect the assembly. Hank


-----------------------------------------
From: "warthodson--- via Healeys" 
To: "healeys at autox.team.net"
Cc: "moss.tech at mossmotors.com"
Sent: Wednesday August 2 2023 8:03:59AM
Subject: [Healeys] Fw: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick - Westport Vintage Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672

I? recently ordered a setof gas tank hold down straps from Moss motors. They are wellconstructed with 1 exception. The "strap pad" (packing) thicknessis .25" vs .125" original thickness based upon several old straps Ihave. Not only is their strapping twice as thick, it also is 2layers of .125" material. See attached Moss photo. This means thatthe steel straps sit twice as high off of the gas tank. See Mossphoto of an MGA tank. Apparently, the Moss vendor made them to theMoss specification. It is the specification that is in error.Am I correct that the packingmaterial should be .125" thick? Were MGA strap pads thicker thanHealeys?Has anyone run into this since2010?Gary Hodson??

?----- Forwarded Message -----From: Tech <moss.tech at mossmotors.com>To: "warthodson at aol.com"<warthodson at aol.com>Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:29:19 AM CDTSubject: Fwd: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick -Westport Vintage Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672
Please take a look at ticket?#132027?raised by Stu Bowman(bowmans at mossmotors.com).Hello,??? ? ? ? ? ? ? The strap padthickness of just under 0.25? matches our 2010 drawingspecifications and has been produced to those specifications forthirteen years now. We have not found the straps to cause aninstallation issue during that time.?? ?? ? ? ? ? ? I have attached a photoof the prototype strap that preceded our specification changes onthis part number. Please note the strap is in a fully installedstate when this photo was taken.
With regards,

?Ken ? Hyndman
?
?Tech ?Services (Mon - Thurs. 10am ? 3.45 pm PST )
?Moss Motors, LTD.?
?800-667-7872 ext 7252
hyndmank at mossmotors.com

On Fri,14 Jul at 6:12 AM ,Stu Bowman <bowmans at mossmotors.com> wrote:??MOSS MOTORS TECHNICAL SUPPORTREQUEST?TECHNICAL/PRODUCTISSUE. IF UPHOLSTERY ISSUE PLEASE INCLUDE JUP#:?WHATEXACTLY IS THE ISSUE? ...............:gastanks strap, the packing on it , is too thickSeepic?s?Pleasecall custom er advise of proper size packing on stripTROUBLESHOOT/ RESOLUTION????..:Part#:.......................: 853-810 gastank stripMoss Inv#:..........................: 5-6162672MossManufactured upholstery JUP#.............................:Has partbeen installed? ????????..:CUSTOMERINFO:Customer#.........................: 7-755606ContactName:..................: waestportvintage restorationsPhone:.................................:913-441-8335EmailAddress:....................: warthodson at aol.comCARINFO:Year???:allModel??:ahyANYTHINGSPECIAL ABOUT THE CAR/ENGINE?.....:PHOTOS OFPROBLEM:??MossTechnical Services Action Taken:?????From:Warthodson <warthodson at aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2023 4:19 PM
To: Stu Bowman <bowmans at mossmotors.com>
Subject: 853-310???

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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Thu Aug  3 08:14:06 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 10:14:06 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Fw: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick - Westport
 Vintage Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672
In-Reply-To: <170086221.1240709.1691067946871@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <5a95bf1e1aeb949bb2b4dc1e77ab0b0054ec12e6@webmail>
 <170086221.1240709.1691067946871@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3i7L+gZdfiZTr1HAdkSNkfoyN3WBgNhYU2X_Zbui7OYfeuRg@mail.gmail.com>

I would completely agree with Gary. I've seen many, many original Healeys
of all models and ALL had gas tank strap padding of "around" 0.125"
thickness.
The only variation that I'm aware of is that the early BN1 pads and rivets
were positioned differently on the metal straps.
M

On Thu., Aug. 3, 2023, 9:33 a.m. warthodson--- via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I have an original tank strap from a '64 Phase 1 BJ8 & an early BN1. The
> packing material is .125" thick on both.
> Gary H
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:47:55 AM CDT, Hank Leach <
> gradea1 at charter.net> wrote:
>
>
> Might depend on the car involved.  At chassis 151608-151610 the petrol
> tank straps and packing were modified. Knowing Moss, they always opt for
> the later release and ignore the early cars. The photo of the packing is
> way too thick.  The length of the straps may be longer as well. The early
> tanks were a two piece assembly, then later a one piece. Cinching down the
> bolts under the boot floor would shorten the straps until you run out of
> threads. Packing under the tank will also affect the assembly. Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
> From: "warthodson--- via Healeys"
> To: "healeys at autox.team.net"
> Cc: "moss.tech at mossmotors.com"
> Sent: Wednesday August 2 2023 8:03:59AM
> Subject: [Healeys] Fw: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick - Westport
> Vintage Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672
>
> I  recently ordered a set of gas tank hold down straps from Moss motors.
> They are well constructed with 1 exception. The "strap pad" (packing)
> thickness is .25" vs .125" original thickness based upon several old straps
> I have. Not only is their strapping twice as thick, it also is 2 layers of
> .125" material. See attached Moss photo. This means that the steel straps
> sit twice as high off of the gas tank. See Moss photo of an MGA tank.
> Apparently, the Moss vendor made them to the Moss specification. It is the
> specification that is in error.
> Am I correct that the packing material should be .125" thick? Were MGA
> strap pads thicker than Healeys?
> Has anyone run into this since 2010?
> Gary Hodson
>
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> *From:* Tech <moss.tech at mossmotors.com>
> *To:* "warthodson at aol.com" <warthodson at aol.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:29:19 AM CDT
> *Subject:* Fwd: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick - Westport Vintage
> Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672
>
> Please take a look at ticket #132027
> <https://mossmotorshelp.freshdesk.com/helpdesk/tickets/132027> raised by
> Stu Bowman (bowmans at mossmotors.com).
> Hello,
> ?                The strap pad thickness of just under 0.25? matches our
> 2010 drawing specifications and has been produced to those specifications
> for thirteen years now. We have not found the straps to cause an
> installation issue during that time.
>                 I have attached a photo of the prototype strap that
> preceded our specification changes on this part number. Please note the
> strap is in a fully installed state when this photo was taken.
>
> With regards,
>
>  Ken   Hyndman
> ?
>  Tech  Services (Mon - Thurs. 10am ? 3.45 pm PST )
>  Moss Motors, LTD.
>  800-667-7872 ext 7252
> hyndmank at mossmotors.com
>
> On Fri, 14 Jul at 6:12 AM , Stu Bowman <bowmans at mossmotors.com> wrote:
>
>
> *MOSS MOTORS TECHNICAL SUPPORT REQUEST*
>
> TECHNICAL/PRODUCT ISSUE. IF UPHOLSTERY ISSUE PLEASE INCLUDE JUP#:
>
> WHAT EXACTLY IS THE ISSUE? ...............:gas tanks strap, the packing
> on it , is too thick
> See pic?s
>
> Please call custom er advise of proper size packing on strip
> TROUBLESHOOT / RESOLUTION????..:
> Part #:.......................: 853-810 gas tank strip
> Moss Inv #:..........................: 5-6162672
> Moss Manufactured upholstery JUP #.............................:
> Has part been installed? ????????..:
> CUSTOMER INFO:
> Customer #.........................: 7-755606
> Contact Name:..................: waestport vintage restorations
> Phone:.................................: 913-441-8335
> Email Address:....................: warthodson at aol.com
> CAR INFO:
> Year???: all
> Model??: ahy
> ANYTHING SPECIAL ABOUT THE CAR/ENGINE?.....:
> PHOTOS OF PROBLEM:
>
> Moss Technical Services Action Taken:
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Warthodson <warthodson at aol.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 13, 2023 4:19 PM
> *To:* Stu Bowman <bowmans at mossmotors.com>
> *Subject:* 853-310
>
>
>
>
>
> 132027:1089000
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Thu Aug  3 08:15:52 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 07:15:52 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] [O/T] Not Healey, but interesting IMO
Message-ID: <7e09bd3e-103b-11f3-870f-7138a16ecd3b@comcast.net>

Couple things:

1) Don't like the spin-on filter mounted upside down (I never understood 
why Ferrari mounted a couple of Fram(!) filters upside-down on some of 
their older cars).

2) Like the heater control valve mounted on the engine; they fail and 
are a PITA to replace on a Healey.

https://jalopnik.com/at-13-000-would-you-weekend-warrior-this-1974-mgb-gt-1850699284 


From gradea1 at charter.net  Thu Aug  3 11:10:21 2023
From: gradea1 at charter.net (Hank Leach)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2023 17:10:21 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Fw: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick - Westport
 Vintage Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672
Message-ID: <bef8972cf7f5c710f6c344dc31477f3eec3b8436@webmail>

AH Spares sells the straps with the insulation/padding mounted in
place (photo). Did not see the padding sold individually by Moss, but
maybe they are buying the straps from AH Spares as they do with any
number of other items.
Note that there is no provision made for the early pad position-one
size fits all. Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: "Michael Salter" 
To: warthodson at aol.com
Cc: "Hank Leach", "healeys at autox.team.net"
Sent: Thursday August 3 2023 7:14:17AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fw: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick -
Westport Vintage Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672

 I would completely agree with Gary. I've seen many, many original
Healeys of all models and ALL had gas tank strap padding of "around"
0.125" thickness. The only variation that I'm aware of is that the
early BN1 pads and rivets were positioned differently on the metal
straps. M  
 On Thu., Aug. 3, 2023, 9:33 a.m. warthodson--- via Healeys,  wrote:
    I have an original tank strap from a '64 Phase 1 BJ8 & an early
BN1. The packing material is .125" thick on both.  Gary H 
    On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:47:55 AM CDT, Hank Leach 
wrote: 

   Might depend on the car involved. At chassis 151608-151610 the
petrol tank straps and packing were modified. Knowing Moss, they
always opt for the later release and ignore the early cars. The photo
of the packing is way too thick. The length of the straps may be
longer as well. The early tanks were a two piece assembly, then later
a one piece. Cinching down the bolts under the boot floor would
shorten the straps until you run out of threads. Packing under the
tank will also affect the assembly. Hank

	----------------------------------------- From: "warthodson--- via
Healeys"
 To: "healeys at autox.team.net"
 Cc: "moss.tech at mossmotors.com"
 Sent: Wednesday August 2 2023 8:03:59AM
 Subject: [Healeys] Fw: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick - Westport
Vintage Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672

 I recently ordered a set of gas tank hold down straps from Moss
motors. They are well constructed with 1 exception. The "strap pad"
(packing) thickness is .25" vs .125" original thickness based upon
several old straps I have. Not only is their strapping twice as thick,
it also is 2 layers of .125" material. See attached Moss photo. This
means that the steel straps sit twice as high off of the gas tank. See
Moss photo of an MGA tank. Apparently, the Moss vendor made them to
the Moss specification. It is the specification that is in error. Am I
correct that the packing material should be .125" thick? Were MGA
strap pads thicker than Healeys? Has anyone run into this since 2010?
Gary Hodson  

      ----- Forwarded Message ----- FROM: Tech  TO:
"warthodson at aol.com"  SENT: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:29:19 AM CDT
SUBJECT: Fwd: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick - Westport Vintage
Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672 
      Please take a look at ticket #132027 [1] raised by Stu Bowman
(bowmans at mossmotors.com). Hello, ? The strap pad thickness of just
under 0.25? matches our 2010 drawing specifications and has been
produced to those specifications for thirteen years now. We have not
found the straps to cause an installation issue during that time.    I
have attached a photo of the prototype strap that preceded our
specification changes on this part number. Please note the strap is in
a fully installed state when this photo was taken. 
   With regards,

 Ken Hyndman
 ?
 Tech Services (Mon - Thurs. 10am ? 3.45 pm PST )
 Moss Motors, LTD. 
 800-667-7872 ext 7252
hyndmank at mossmotors.com 
  ON FRI, 14 JUL AT 6:12 AM , STU BOWMAN  WROTE:        MOSS MOTORS
TECHNICAL SUPPORT REQUEST    TECHNICAL/PRODUCT ISSUE. IF UPHOLSTERY
ISSUE PLEASE INCLUDE JUP#:    WHAT EXACTLY IS THE ISSUE?
..............:gas tanks strap, the packing on it , is too thick See
pic?s   Please call custom er advise of proper size packing on strip
TROUBLESHOOT / RESOLUTION????..: Part
#:.......................: 853-810 gas tank strip Moss Inv
#:.........................: 5-6162672 Moss Manufactured upholstery
JUP #............................: Has part been installed?
????????..:  CUSTOMER INFO: Customer
#.........................: 7-755606 Contact Name:.................:
waestport vintage restorations
Phone:................................: 913-441-8335 Email
Address:....................: warthodson at aol.com  CAR INFO:
Year???: all Model??: ahy ANYTHING SPECIAL ABOUT THE
CAR/ENGINE?.....: PHOTOS OF PROBLEM:      Moss Technical Services
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SENT: Thursday, July 13, 2023 4:19 PM
TO: Stu Bowman 
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From warthodson at aol.com  Sat Aug  5 16:32:50 2023
From: warthodson at aol.com (warthodson at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2023 22:32:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Fw: Fw: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick - Westport
 Vintage Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672
In-Reply-To: <1910582713.226831.1691241156790@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <bef8972cf7f5c710f6c344dc31477f3eec3b8436@webmail>
 <1382100581.1382953.1691084800680@mail.yahoo.com>
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   ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: warthodson at aol.com <warthodson at aol.com>To: Ken Hyndman <hyndmank at mossmotors.com>Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 08:12:36 AM CDTSubject: Re: [Healeys] Fw: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick - Westport Vintage Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672
  Ken,I am disappointed by your reply.??Of course all your inventory is the same. It is your specification that is incorrect.Even though the Healey mailing list agrees with me that the Moss specification is too thick & I offered to send you additional photos & samples of original padding material you apparently have no interest is correcting the error in your specification. "No thanks. We will just keep selling the incorrect parts because most customers don't waste their time trying to correct our problems." That is not a good message to send to your customers.By the way, where did you get 3/32" for the thickness of the padding? All my correspondence has indicated 1/8"??Gary Hodson
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 03:42:57 PM CDT, Ken Hyndman <hyndmank at mossmotors.com> wrote:  
 
 
Gary,
 
All our stock of the 851-310 straps are the same.
 
They can be returned or perhaps take off the padding off and put some 3/32? gasket material in their place.
 
The split leg rivets should be able to re-use.
 
Ken
 
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From josef-eckert at t-online.de  Sun Aug  6 02:26:31 2023
From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 10:26:31 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Healeys] Fw: Fw: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick - Westport
 Vintage Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672
In-Reply-To: <1200646985.328976.1691274770842@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <bef8972cf7f5c710f6c344dc31477f3eec3b8436@webmail>
 <1382100581.1382953.1691084800680@mail.yahoo.com>
 <BYAPR15MB287110790326FE13A1294708BD08A@BYAPR15MB2871.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
 <1910582713.226831.1691241156790@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1200646985.328976.1691274770842@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1691310391108.146031.3886880578c5f5cd417952b6a13cd18620456b65@spica.telekom.de>

Gary,
Most, better nearly everything, the usual parts suppliers sell are 
incorrect or better not identical to original parts or to original 
specification. But let me tell you as an employee of a big parts supplier 
here in Europe (Limora, SC Parts): Nearly all customers, maybe 99.9%, do 
not care. They modify anyway everything they are able to modify. Nothing 
can be as it was originally. I always here the new products, high torque 
starter, electronic ignition, alternators in the body of generators, 
aluminium radiators, suspension, shock absorbers, engine parts, and, and, 
and, are so much better and much advanced to what BMC originally supplied. 
You and I know they are wrong. But they WANT IT SO. And most customers are 
not willing to pay a premium price for a premium product. That`s it.
I can`t convince my boss to change anything, as it would reduce the 
profit!!!!
 
Josef Eckert
K?nigswinter/Germany
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ken,
I am disappointed by your reply.  
Of course all your inventory is the same. It is your specification that is 
incorrect.
Even though the Healey mailing list agrees with me that the Moss 
specification is too thick & I offered to send you additional photos & 
samples of original padding material you apparently have no interest is 
correcting the error in your specification. "No thanks. We will just keep 
selling the incorrect parts because most customers don't waste their time 
trying to correct our problems." That is not a good message to send to your 
customers.
By the way, where did you get 3/32" for the thickness of the padding? All 
my correspondence has indicated 1/8"? 
Gary Hodson
 
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 03:42:57 PM CDT, Ken Hyndman 
<hyndmank at mossmotors.com> wrote:
 
 

Gary,

All our stock of the 851-310 straps are the same.

They can be returned or perhaps take off the padding off and put some 3/32? 
gasket material in their place.

The split leg rivets should be able to re-use.

Ken

 

      

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From warthodson at aol.com  Sun Aug  6 07:58:29 2023
From: warthodson at aol.com (warthodson at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 13:58:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Fw: Fw: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick - Westport
 Vintage Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672
In-Reply-To: <1691310391108.146031.3886880578c5f5cd417952b6a13cd18620456b65@spica.telekom.de>
References: <bef8972cf7f5c710f6c344dc31477f3eec3b8436@webmail>
 <1382100581.1382953.1691084800680@mail.yahoo.com>
 <BYAPR15MB287110790326FE13A1294708BD08A@BYAPR15MB2871.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
 <1910582713.226831.1691241156790@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1200646985.328976.1691274770842@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1691310391108.146031.3886880578c5f5cd417952b6a13cd18620456b65@spica.telekom.de>
Message-ID: <49144904.434034.1691330309786@mail.yahoo.com>

 Josef,I used to work for a parts supplier in the quality control department. That is not the way we handled it. We investigated every claim &? attempted to correct every defective or? inaccurate part where possible. You are correct that most customers do not take the time to tell the supplier when something is incorrect.Gary?
    On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 03:26:43 AM CDT, josef-eckert at t-online.de <josef-eckert at t-online.de> wrote:  
 
 
Gary,


Most, better nearly everything, the usual parts suppliers sell are incorrect or better not identical to original parts or to original specification. But let me tell you as an employee of a big parts supplier here in Europe (Limora, SC Parts): Nearly all customers, maybe 99.9%, do not care. They modify anyway everything they are able to modify. Nothing can be as it was originally. I always here the new products, high torque starter, electronic ignition, alternators in the body of generators, aluminium radiators, suspension, shock absorbers, engine parts, and, and, and, are so much better and much advanced to what BMC originally supplied. You and I know they are wrong. But they WANT IT SO. And most customers are not willing to pay a premium price for a premium product. That`s it.

I can`t convince my boss to change anything, as it would reduce the profit!!!!

?

Josef Eckert

K?nigswinter/Germany

?

?

?
???Ken,I am disappointed by your reply.??Of course all your inventory is the same. It is your specification that is incorrect.Even though the Healey mailing list agrees with me that the Moss specification is too thick & I offered to send you additional photos & samples of original padding material you apparently have no interest is correcting the error in your specification. "No thanks. We will just keep selling the incorrect parts because most customers don't waste their time trying to correct our problems." That is not a good message to send to your customers.By the way, where did you get 3/32" for the thickness of the padding? All my correspondence has indicated 1/8"??Gary Hodson?On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 03:42:57 PM CDT, Ken Hyndman <hyndmank at mossmotors.com> wrote:??
Gary,

All our stock of the 851-310 straps are the same.

They can be returned or perhaps take off the padding off and put some 3/32? gasket material in their place.

The split leg rivets should be able to re-use.

Ken

?



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From Tomfelts at windstream.net  Sun Aug  6 08:03:04 2023
From: Tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 10:03:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Healeys] Alignment question
Message-ID: <1984953224.21658189.1691330584539.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>


If the front shock mount has been replaced,? and if you assume it wasnt attached in the correct position. will that affect alignment, mainly camber? 
? 
Thanks. Tom 
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From Tomfelts at windstream.net  Sun Aug  6 08:03:04 2023
From: Tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 10:03:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Healeys] Alignment question
Message-ID: <1984953224.21658189.1691330584539.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>


If the front shock mount has been replaced,? and if you assume it wasnt attached in the correct position. will that affect alignment, mainly camber? 
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From josef-eckert at t-online.de  Sun Aug  6 08:28:59 2023
From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 16:28:59 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Healeys] Fw: Fw: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick - Westport
 Vintage Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672
In-Reply-To: <49144904.434034.1691330309786@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <bef8972cf7f5c710f6c344dc31477f3eec3b8436@webmail>
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 <1910582713.226831.1691241156790@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1200646985.328976.1691274770842@mail.yahoo.com>
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Gary,
These day you cannot survive in the shark sea, when you do a detailed 
quality control.
Most parts are comming from far east, mainly China and Taiwan. The parts 
were taken out of the containers and sold without further checking.
Staff for doing it is expensive. Only those parts which are prone to 
failure where checked randomly. Actually there are big quality problems 
with regulators RB106 or RB340 for generators. I have to calibrate each of 
them comming in which takes me around 5 minutes each. Half of the coming in 
regulators, are not calibratable at all and they go directly into the bin. 
As said quality is below cero, but they are cheap and they all coming from 
the same source. Easier/cheaper to bin half of them, then looking for a 
better source.
And there is no one doing them in quality. Same with high torque starter 
motors or alternators in the body of a generator.
For my own brish classic carsl?ujiot6t7z I go to autojumbles mainly in 
England
 
Josef
 
 
 
-----Original-Nachricht-----
Betreff: Re: AW: [Healeys] Fw: Fw: 851-310 Gas Tank Strap - Too thick - 
Westport Vintage Restorations 7-553606 - 5-6162672
Datum: 2023-08-06T15:58:41+0200
Von: "warthodson at aol.com" <warthodson at aol.com>
An: "Healey, Forum" <healeys at autox.team.net>, "josef-eckert at t-online.de" 
<josef-eckert at t-online.de>
 
 
 
 
Josef,
I used to work for a parts supplier in the quality control department. That 
is not the way we handled it. We investigated every claim &  attempted to 
correct every defective or  inaccurate part where possible. You are correct 
that most customers do not take the time to tell the supplier when 
something is incorrect.
Gary 
 
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 03:26:43 AM CDT, josef-eckert at t-online.de 
<josef-eckert at t-online.de> wrote:
 
 
Gary,
Most, better nearly everything, the usual parts suppliers sell are 
incorrect or better not identical to original parts or to original 
specification. But let me tell you as an employee of a big parts supplier 
here in Europe (Limora, SC Parts): Nearly all customers, maybe 99.9%, do 
not care. They modify anyway everything they are able to modify. Nothing 
can be as it was originally. I always here the new products, high torque 
starter, electronic ignition, alternators in the body of generators, 
aluminium radiators, suspension, shock absorbers, engine parts, and, and, 
and, are so much better and much advanced to what BMC originally supplied. 
You and I know they are wrong. But they WANT IT SO. And most customers are 
not willing to pay a premium price for a premium product. That`s it.
I can`t convince my boss to change anything, as it would reduce the 
profit!!!!
 
Josef Eckert
K?nigswinter/Germany
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ken,
I am disappointed by your reply.  
Of course all your inventory is the same. It is your specification that is 
incorrect.
Even though the Healey mailing list agrees with me that the Moss 
specification is too thick & I offered to send you additional photos & 
samples of original padding material you apparently have no interest is 
correcting the error in your specification. "No thanks. We will just keep 
selling the incorrect parts because most customers don't waste their time 
trying to correct our problems." That is not a good message to send to your 
customers.
By the way, where did you get 3/32" for the thickness of the padding? All 
my correspondence has indicated 1/8"? 
Gary Hodson
 
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 03:42:57 PM CDT, Ken Hyndman 
<hyndmank at mossmotors.com> wrote:
 
 

Gary,

All our stock of the 851-310 straps are the same.

They can be returned or perhaps take off the padding off and put some 3/32? 
gasket material in their place.

The split leg rivets should be able to re-use.

Ken

 

      

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From healey53 at gmail.com  Sun Aug  6 09:15:29 2023
From: healey53 at gmail.com (Joseph Costa)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 11:15:29 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Canceling cam
Message-ID: <CADigPhSC3+9fSj7egdjvMHvF5PCB8hCcCUQ-ne+jMbkZ1n0K9Q@mail.gmail.com>

When installing the stator tube and trafficator - non adjustable wheel -
does the canceling cam sit on the top or bottom of the wheel.  TIA

Joe
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From manifold at telus.net  Sun Aug  6 10:29:36 2023
From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 09:29:36 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Alignment question
In-Reply-To: <1984953224.21658189.1691330584539.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
References: <1984953224.21658189.1691330584539.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <CAFP1XCDGTYVsfNZcHYR46eT_KQ76Z+0PLqTgmgxG+hLtOT8BMA@mail.gmail.com>

Tom,

Yes if the front shock mount is in a different location it will affect the
alignment. The workshop manual has a procedure to do a rough check of
camber using a plumb line. Also in the workshop manual there is a
procedure to reassemble the front suspension using 2" spacer blocks to set
the shock arms in position before tightening the suspension. Try this first
and then check the camber, it may not solve your issue but it is an
inexpensive first step.

Harold

On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 8:43?AM Tom Felts via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> If the front shock mount has been replaced,  and if you assume it wasnt
> attached in the correct position. will that affect alignment, mainly camber?
>
> Thanks. Tom
>
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Sun Aug  6 10:32:24 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 09:32:24 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Alignment question
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For a non-adjustable mount, it could affect both camber (in-and-out) and 
caster (front-to-back). The adjustable options I've seen only address 
camber (though the plate inserts could be made to adjust caster a bit). 
If the mount wasn't fitted 'square' to the chassis (direction of travel) 
I think it would cause all sorts of problems.


On 8/6/2023 7:03 AM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote:
> If the front shock mount has been replaced,? and if you assume it 
> wasnt attached in the correct position. will that affect alignment, 
> mainly camber?
> Thanks. Tom
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From coudesluijs at chello.nl  Sun Aug  6 13:22:44 2023
From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 21:22:44 +0200
Subject: [Healeys] Alignment question
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No, it won't.
Kees Oudesluijs

Op 6-8-2023 om 16:03 schreef Tom Felts via Healeys:
> If the front shock mount has been replaced,? and if you assume it 
> wasnt attached in the correct position. will that affect alignment, 
> mainly camber?
> Thanks. Tom
>
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From cnaarndt at gmail.com  Sun Aug  6 13:33:13 2023
From: cnaarndt at gmail.com (Curtis Arndt)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 12:33:13 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Canceling cam
In-Reply-To: <CADigPhSC3+9fSj7egdjvMHvF5PCB8hCcCUQ-ne+jMbkZ1n0K9Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAJKrNeRf=XBeQD0MqwKDLkBNGi2LE4Tk5KnJJznT4zJPBJRN5A@mail.gmail.com>

Joe,

The lever and hence the cam needs to be at 6 o'clock. That way when
you turn the wheel, the cam will ride over the canceling pawls at the 5 and
7 0'clock position, only about 20 degrees either side. This makes the reset
much quicker.

Putting the cam at the 12 o'clock position [WRONG] means the wheel will
have to be rotated about 200 degrees before the reset will engage.

Cheers,

Curt Arndt

On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 11:56?AM Joseph Costa <healey53 at gmail.com> wrote:

> When installing the stator tube and trafficator - non adjustable wheel -
> does the canceling cam sit on the top or bottom of the wheel.  TIA
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Sun Aug  6 15:49:23 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 17:49:23 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Canceling cam
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Joe, not quite sure what you are asking.
The arm that rotates the cancelling cam is under the nut that secures the
steering wheel.
The cam is around the bottom of the switch assembly and retained by the
plate on the top of the stator tube.
Hope that helps.

M

On Sun., Aug. 6, 2023, 2:30 p.m. Joseph Costa, <healey53 at gmail.com> wrote:

> When installing the stator tube and trafficator - non adjustable wheel -
> does the canceling cam sit on the top or bottom of the wheel.  TIA
>
> Joe
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From ah53 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  7 01:14:21 2023
From: ah53 at yahoo.com (jomar healey)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 07:14:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Canceling cam
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 Thanks Curt. ?That?s was my guess but guessing is seldom good.
Joe
    On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 09:52:18 PM EDT, Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Joe,
The lever and hence the cam needs to be at 6 o'clock. That way when you?turn the wheel, the cam will ride over the canceling pawls at the 5 and 7 0'clock position, only about?20 degrees either side. This makes the reset much quicker.?
Putting the cam at the 12 o'clock position [WRONG] means the wheel will have to be rotated about 200 degrees before the reset will engage.
Cheers,
Curt Arndt
On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 11:56?AM Joseph Costa <healey53 at gmail.com> wrote:

When installing the stator tube and trafficator - non adjustable wheel - does the canceling cam sit on the top or bottom of the wheel.? TIA
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From coudesluijs at chello.nl  Mon Aug  7 02:08:04 2023
From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 10:08:04 +0200
Subject: [Healeys] Alignment question
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Disregard my earlier answer. It was based on another car. Sorry.
Kees Oudesluijs

Op 6-8-2023 om 21:22 schreef Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys:
>
> No, it won't.
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
> Op 6-8-2023 om 16:03 schreef Tom Felts via Healeys:
>> If the front shock mount has been replaced,? and if you assume it 
>> wasnt attached in the correct position. will that affect alignment, 
>> mainly camber?
>> Thanks. Tom
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From dmw at wirkenphoto.com  Mon Aug  7 19:37:04 2023
From: dmw at wirkenphoto.com (David Wirken)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 20:37:04 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive pressures
Message-ID: <CALnfbV8mwv8b2MPeWxRxyWfatawCOas_HNZptfoA8Q3XreQGUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Recently overhauled OD when testing the pressure, it measured 500 to 550
psi on the gauge.The book says it should be 470 to 490 PSI and drops about
80 PSI when engaged or disengaged and jumps back up to 470 PSI very
quickly.
Question is " should I be concerned about the high numbers I am
experiencing ?

THANKS for your input

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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 15:07:53 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:07:53 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] 100 air cleaners.
Message-ID: <CAB3i7LJ4C4M=Mmn631Hj9HDmx1Wth=YBN6PW6t8XU13a_px_9w@mail.gmail.com>

This picture shows an original BN1/2 front air cleaner back plate and an
original air filter element.
Interestingly when this unit is assembled the "O" ring of the element
almost completely blocks off the engine breather tube in the back plate
which renders the engine breather system inoperative.
Bit odd?

M
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From jtkarowe at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 21:55:12 2023
From: jtkarowe at gmail.com (John and Kerry Rowe)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 13:55:12 +1000
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive pressures
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I would be very happy with those pressures. I wish!

On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 1:39?PM David Wirken via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Recently overhauled OD when testing the pressure, it measured 500 to 550
> psi on the gauge.The book says it should be 470 to 490 PSI and drops about
> 80 PSI when engaged or disengaged and jumps back up to 470 PSI very
> quickly.
> Question is " should I be concerned about the high numbers I am
> experiencing ?
>
> THANKS for your input
>
> Dave
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From ah100tech at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 03:02:06 2023
From: ah100tech at gmail.com (john harper)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 10:02:06 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] 100 air cleaners.
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Michael

I cannot be sure but it looks as if this is fitted with a dry filter
element. The originals had an oil-wetted element that had to be washed out
in paraffin from time to time and then re-wetted. Rather messy.

I don't have a filter to hand but perhaps the wetted type did not block the
breather pipe.

All the best

On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 05:22, Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com> wrote:

> This picture shows an original BN1/2 front air cleaner back plate and an
> original air filter element.
> Interestingly when this unit is assembled the "O" ring of the element
> almost completely blocks off the engine breather tube in the back plate
> which renders the engine breather system inoperative.
> Bit odd?
>
> M
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 06:11:33 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 08:11:33 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Fwd:  100 air cleaners.
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Hi John,
This is the element that I'm talking about.  It is a cleanable type and is
what was in this car with less than 30K miles.
The elements have a "rubber" ring on each side and the filter medium in
somewhat like a pot scrub.
Is that not the original type?
M

On Wed., Aug. 9, 2023, 5:02 a.m. john harper, <ah100tech at gmail.com> wrote:

> Michael
>
> I cannot be sure but it looks as if this is fitted with a dry filter
> element. The originals had an oil-wetted element that had to be washed out
> in paraffin from time to time and then re-wetted. Rather messy.
>
> I don't have a filter to hand but perhaps the wetted type did not block
> the breather pipe.
>
> All the best
>
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 05:22, Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This picture shows an original BN1/2 front air cleaner back plate and an
>> original air filter element.
>> Interestingly when this unit is assembled the "O" ring of the element
>> almost completely blocks off the engine breather tube in the back plate
>> which renders the engine breather system inoperative.
>> Bit odd?
>>
>> M
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From dmw at wirkenphoto.com  Wed Aug  9 08:53:57 2023
From: dmw at wirkenphoto.com (David Wirken)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 09:53:57 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive pressures
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Thanks for the answer.

On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 10:55?PM John and Kerry Rowe <jtkarowe at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I would be very happy with those pressures. I wish!
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 1:39?PM David Wirken via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Recently overhauled OD when testing the pressure, it measured 500 to 550
>> psi on the gauge.The book says it should be 470 to 490 PSI and drops about
>> 80 PSI when engaged or disengaged and jumps back up to 470 PSI very
>> quickly.
>> Question is " should I be concerned about the high numbers I am
>> experiencing ?
>>
>> THANKS for your input
>>
>> Dave
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From healeybruce at roadrunner.com  Wed Aug  9 08:57:31 2023
From: healeybruce at roadrunner.com (healeybruce at roadrunner.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 07:57:31 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] fuel pump
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Unless you have a clock hooked up hot like I do!  OK, I do keep it on a
BatteryTender and I have a switch on the clock as well.

Bruce Steele
1960 BN7

-----Original Message-----
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of
alfuller194 at gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2023 11:58 AM
To: 'Bob Spidell' <bspidell at comcast.net>; healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pump

Yes, Bob - the ignitions were left on...

I agree that a stock Healey should have no draw when not running. I too
leave mine for weeks to months with the battery master 'on', and it starts
right back up.

Unfortunately, they put these cars in the container with the ignition keys
left 'on'. 

----------------
All the best,

Al Fuller

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2023 7:00 AM
To: alfuller194 at gmail.com; healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pump

That's kinda odd; did they leave GPSs or some other electronics on? 
Nothing on a stock Healey should be drawing current with the key off. 
I've left the cutoff 'on' for months without draining a battery.

'Modern' cars are a different story; they'll run a battery down in a few
weeks, with anti-theft, remote unlock, etc. drawing current continuously.
Also, I think battery quality has gone downhill overall since most are now
produced in Mexico.


On 7/29/2023 9:44 PM, alfuller194 at gmail.com wrote:
> Humm - low battery causing the pump to effectively 'stall' is 
> something to think about...
>
> On a related note, I have my fingers crossed for my own battery!  The 
> car is due to be shipped back from Norway any day now, returning from 
> the European Healey Meet. When the cars arrived in Norway in early 
> June, several had ignition switches left in the 'on' position and the 
> battery master switch also left on. The result was several of the cars 
> needed new batteries before going anywhere.  This was despite most 
> everyone having printed 'starting and storing instructions' in the car 
> calling for the battery master switch to be used.  Like I said - fingers
crossed...
>
> As to the Healey Meet - great roads! One of my favorites is 
> Trollstigen ['Troll's Ladder']. For a sample, see:
> https://www.lifeinnorway.net/trollstigen-norway/
>
> ----------------
> All the best,
>
> Al Fuller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob 
> Spidell
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 7:00 PM
> To: healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pump
>
> Conceivably--note: 'conceivably'--less than 12V at the pump would 
> leave the electromagnet charged but unable to fully retract the 
> diaphragm and open the points (or electronic circuit) to stop current 
> flow. You'd still have current flowing through the electromagnet, 
> which could overheat and, well, fry.
>
>
> On 7/28/2023 2:37 PM, alfuller194 at gmail.com wrote:
>> Jim - I don't recall those messages, so maybe someone with more 
>> knowledge than me can respond.
>>
>> That said, I don't see how a low or dead battery would damage a fuel 
>> pump. I would think the pump would see just the circuit as unpowered 
>> and not work, but not suffer for the experience...
>>
>> ----------------
>> All the best,
>>
>> Al Fuller
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of 
>> healeymanjim
>> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 10:47 AM
>> To: healeys at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Healeys] fuel pump
>>
>> i have seen messages on the list where folks have stated that low 
>> battery can cause problems with solid state fuel pump.  the battery i 
>> replaced was so weak it would not turn the motor over even with plugs 
>> removed.  any info on this anyplace on the internet?
>>
>
>


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From healey100m at me.com  Wed Aug  9 09:05:14 2023
From: healey100m at me.com (Randy Hicks)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 11:05:14 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Listing of cars For Sale?
Message-ID: <60903B96-34DC-4E2D-AA8A-348D782EA616@me.com>

It is time to move my Florida Green/OEW 100M on.

What is the forum policy for listing cars for sale?

Randy

From vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  9 10:01:55 2023
From: vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com (Jean Caron)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 16:01:55 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Fwd:  100 air cleaners.
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Michael,
I have the same type of elements in the BN2 I am currently restoring.

Jean



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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2023 7:11:33 AM
To: healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: 100 air cleaners.

Hi John,
This is the element that I'm talking about.  It is a cleanable type and is what was in this car with less than 30K miles.
The elements have a "rubber" ring on each side and the filter medium in somewhat like a pot scrub.
Is that not the original type?
M

On Wed., Aug. 9, 2023, 5:02 a.m. john harper, <ah100tech at gmail.com<mailto:ah100tech at gmail.com>> wrote:
Michael

I cannot be sure but it looks as if this is fitted with a dry filter element. The originals had an oil-wetted element that had to be washed out in paraffin from time to time and then re-wetted. Rather messy.

I don't have a filter to hand but perhaps the wetted type did not block the breather pipe.

All the best

On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 05:22, Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com<mailto:michaelsalter at gmail.com>> wrote:
This picture shows an original BN1/2 front air cleaner back plate and an original air filter element.
Interestingly when this unit is assembled the "O" ring of the element almost completely blocks off the engine breather tube in the back plate which renders the engine breather system inoperative.
Bit odd?

M
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From gradea1 at charter.net  Wed Aug  9 10:40:35 2023
From: gradea1 at charter.net (Hank Leach)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2023 16:40:35 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] 100 air cleaners.
Message-ID: <b5f8679f80a9fb76e3c5a0bac95e59031c0c60b3@webmail>

These are my early "wetted" air cleaners which I wash in paraffin.
Don't believe the breather is blocked. The second photo was supplied
by John Wheatley showing nameplates. Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: "john harper" 
To: "Michael Salter"
Cc: "healeys at autox.team.net"
Sent: Wednesday August 9 2023 3:58:55AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 air cleaners.

 Michael 
 I cannot be sure but it looks as if this is fitted with a dry filter
element. The originals had an oil-wetted element that had to be washed
out in paraffin from time to time and then re-wetted. Rather messy. 
 I don't have a filter to hand but perhaps the wetted type did not
block the breather pipe. 
 All the best  
 On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 05:22, Michael Salter  wrote:
  This picture shows an original BN1/2 front air cleaner back plate
and an original air filter element. Interestingly when this unit is
assembled the "O" ring of the element almost completely blocks off the
engine breather tube in the back plate which renders the engine
breather system inoperative.  Bit odd? 
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From gradea1 at charter.net  Wed Aug  9 10:25:32 2023
From: gradea1 at charter.net (Hank Leach)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2023 16:25:32 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive pressures
Message-ID: <e51208d32188e06c5ea6b002a82e00fc6d623fba@webmail>

Those higher pressures show a healthy OD and you are probably using
the modern rubber O-rings rather than the steel originals. However,
one thing to check is the bleed down-release of pressure. If after
stopping the unit the pressure should slowly leak down to 0 and/or if
you worked the lever a few times it would bleed out. If that does not
happen, there is dirt in the operating valve passage and must be
cleared to function properly. If left unattended, the unit will not
come out of overdrive and if the vehicle is backed up, damage would be
done to the unit. Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: "John and Kerry Rowe" 
To: "David Wirken"
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday August 9 2023 12:50:16AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive pressures

 I would be very happy with those pressures. I wish! 
 On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 1:39?PM David Wirken via Healeys  wrote:
  Recently overhauled OD when testing the pressure, it measured 500 to
550 psi on the gauge.The book says it should be 470 to 490 PSI and
drops about 80 PSI when engaged or disengaged and jumps back up to 470
PSI very quickly. Question is " should I be concerned about the high
numbers I am experiencing ? 
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From rmarkovich at aol.com  Wed Aug  9 09:37:21 2023
From: rmarkovich at aol.com (Robert Markovich)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 15:37:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Fwd:  100 air cleaners.
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I can attest to that mesh-type filter?from Burgess?being original to the BN1 and from what I?ve seen the BN2. Simply wash them in gasoline and then wet with motor oil. Beware however that the metal screens holding the mesh together can separate over time, as happened to me on my early BN1 with the outer screen. If that happens with the inner screen, the mesh can be sucked into the carburetor. Which is why I switched to K and N filters but hid them behind the stock perforated screen that goes outside?the filters (MGA versions of these screens will fit but have a different perforation).?Early Burgess units are black while later ones?on the BN2 perhaps??appear to be engine color. Hope this helps ?


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On Wednesday, August 9, 2023, 9:16 AM, Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi John,?
This is the element that I'm talking about.? It is a cleanable type and is what was in this car with less than 30K miles.?The elements have a "rubber" ring on each side and the filter medium in somewhat like a pot scrub.Is that not the original type?M
On Wed., Aug. 9, 2023, 5:02 a.m. john harper, <ah100tech at gmail.com> wrote:

Michael
I cannot be sure but it looks as if this is fitted with a dry filter element. The originals had an oil-wetted element that had to be washed out in paraffin from time to time and then re-wetted. Rather messy.
I don't have a filter to hand but perhaps the wetted type did not block the breather?pipe.
All the best
On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 05:22, Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com> wrote:

This picture shows an original BN1/2 front air cleaner back plate and an original air filter element.?Interestingly when this unit is assembled the "O" ring of the element almost completely blocks off the engine breather tube in the back plate which renders the engine breather system inoperative.?Bit odd?
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From warthodson at aol.com  Wed Aug  9 12:39:10 2023
From: warthodson at aol.com (warthodson at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 18:39:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive pressures
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 Dave, I found this in my Spam file. Surely someone has an opinion concerning the 500-550 psi!Gary Hodson?
    On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 03:05:56 AM CDT, John and Kerry Rowe <jtkarowe at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I would be very happy with those pressures. I wish!
On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 1:39?PM David Wirken via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

Recently?overhauled OD when testing the pressure, it measured 500 to 550 psi on the gauge.The book says it should be 470 to 490 PSI and drops?about 80 PSI when engaged or disengaged and jumps back up to 470 PSI very quickly.?Question is " should I be concerned about the high numbers I am experiencing ?
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 13:32:07 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 15:32:07 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: 100 air cleaners.
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Okay,  so back to the original question.
How come the filter blocks off the engine breather tube?

M

On Wed., Aug. 9, 2023, 12:01 p.m. Jean Caron, <
vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Michael,
> I have the same type of elements in the BN2 I am currently restoring.
>
> Jean
>
>
>
> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada?s largest network.
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Michael
> Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 9, 2023 7:11:33 AM
> *To:* healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Healeys] Fwd: 100 air cleaners.
>
> Hi John,
> This is the element that I'm talking about.  It is a cleanable type and is
> what was in this car with less than 30K miles.
> The elements have a "rubber" ring on each side and the filter medium in
> somewhat like a pot scrub.
> Is that not the original type?
> M
>
> On Wed., Aug. 9, 2023, 5:02 a.m. john harper, <ah100tech at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Michael
>
> I cannot be sure but it looks as if this is fitted with a dry filter
> element. The originals had an oil-wetted element that had to be washed out
> in paraffin from time to time and then re-wetted. Rather messy.
>
> I don't have a filter to hand but perhaps the wetted type did not block
> the breather pipe.
>
> All the best
>
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 05:22, Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> This picture shows an original BN1/2 front air cleaner back plate and an
> original air filter element.
> Interestingly when this unit is assembled the "O" ring of the element
> almost completely blocks off the engine breather tube in the back plate
> which renders the engine breather system inoperative.
> Bit odd?
>
> M
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From douglas.barker at videotron.ca  Wed Aug  9 13:56:43 2023
From: douglas.barker at videotron.ca (Douglas Barker)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 15:56:43 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Listing of cars For Sale?
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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 14:21:06 2023
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 13:21:06 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] fuel pump
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Well - yeah! ?

----------------
All the best,

Al Fuller

-----Original Message-----
From: healeybruce at roadrunner.com <healeybruce at roadrunner.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2023 7:58 AM
To: alfuller194 at gmail.com; 'Bob Spidell' <bspidell at comcast.net>; healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Healeys] fuel pump

Unless you have a clock hooked up hot like I do!  OK, I do keep it on a BatteryTender and I have a switch on the clock as well.

Bruce Steele
1960 BN7

-----Original Message-----
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of alfuller194 at gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2023 11:58 AM
To: 'Bob Spidell' <bspidell at comcast.net>; healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pump

Yes, Bob - the ignitions were left on...

I agree that a stock Healey should have no draw when not running. I too leave mine for weeks to months with the battery master 'on', and it starts right back up.

Unfortunately, they put these cars in the container with the ignition keys left 'on'. 

----------------
All the best,

Al Fuller

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2023 7:00 AM
To: alfuller194 at gmail.com; healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pump

That's kinda odd; did they leave GPSs or some other electronics on? 
Nothing on a stock Healey should be drawing current with the key off. 
I've left the cutoff 'on' for months without draining a battery.

'Modern' cars are a different story; they'll run a battery down in a few weeks, with anti-theft, remote unlock, etc. drawing current continuously.
Also, I think battery quality has gone downhill overall since most are now produced in Mexico.


On 7/29/2023 9:44 PM, alfuller194 at gmail.com wrote:
> Humm - low battery causing the pump to effectively 'stall' is 
> something to think about...
>
> On a related note, I have my fingers crossed for my own battery!  The 
> car is due to be shipped back from Norway any day now, returning from 
> the European Healey Meet. When the cars arrived in Norway in early 
> June, several had ignition switches left in the 'on' position and the 
> battery master switch also left on. The result was several of the cars 
> needed new batteries before going anywhere.  This was despite most 
> everyone having printed 'starting and storing instructions' in the car 
> calling for the battery master switch to be used.  Like I said - 
> fingers
crossed...
>
> As to the Healey Meet - great roads! One of my favorites is 
> Trollstigen ['Troll's Ladder']. For a sample, see:
> https://www.lifeinnorway.net/trollstigen-norway/
>
> ----------------
> All the best,
>
> Al Fuller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob 
> Spidell
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 7:00 PM
> To: healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pump
>
> Conceivably--note: 'conceivably'--less than 12V at the pump would 
> leave the electromagnet charged but unable to fully retract the 
> diaphragm and open the points (or electronic circuit) to stop current 
> flow. You'd still have current flowing through the electromagnet, 
> which could overheat and, well, fry.
>
>
> On 7/28/2023 2:37 PM, alfuller194 at gmail.com wrote:
>> Jim - I don't recall those messages, so maybe someone with more 
>> knowledge than me can respond.
>>
>> That said, I don't see how a low or dead battery would damage a fuel 
>> pump. I would think the pump would see just the circuit as unpowered 
>> and not work, but not suffer for the experience...
>>
>> ----------------
>> All the best,
>>
>> Al Fuller
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of 
>> healeymanjim
>> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 10:47 AM
>> To: healeys at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Healeys] fuel pump
>>
>> i have seen messages on the list where folks have stated that low 
>> battery can cause problems with solid state fuel pump.  the battery i 
>> replaced was so weak it would not turn the motor over even with plugs 
>> removed.  any info on this anyplace on the internet?
>>
>
>


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From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com  Wed Aug  9 15:22:16 2023
From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 22:22:16 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] Handbooks
Message-ID: <002301d9cb07$937e2e30$ba7a8a90$@alexarevel.plus.com>

Hi,

I'm going to forward some emails regarding a collection of original
handbooks which are for sale. They are not from the same source as the
previous ones which came from what I presumed to be the Parts Dept. of a
small/local BMC dealership in the UK. These ones come from a private - what
would you say? - collector?/Enthusiast?..whatever.

Unlike last time, I've not seen the goods but I can say that Dave, who is
acting for this person is 100%. He has no interest in the transactions and I
certainly don't.

Dave is:- dcmk1sprout at yahoo.com <mailto:dcmk1sprout at yahoo.com> 

Deal direct! I'm only the messenger. Emphatically not the middle man!

Simon

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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 22:33:28 2023
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 21:33:28 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Hello all
Message-ID: <CABXhz89p_dZs1+1xNiWKUWzyNS_Ld_UTvHt0H=bMC04veG0nOQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have been pretty quite of late. Just reaching out to cheers

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
1967 MGB Roadster
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From ah53 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 10 04:40:20 2023
From: ah53 at yahoo.com (jomar healey)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 10:40:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: 100 air cleaners.
In-Reply-To: <CAB3i7L+pO-1xW0nBpk4xv0CuhB3_YLiWc3tbXYTpjhXq08bFDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB3i7LJ4C4M=Mmn631Hj9HDmx1Wth=YBN6PW6t8XU13a_px_9w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAL28cLWWWQTuLQ+HM0THPO1rwD-v4DvO3RkzxxsosgNwLu20Vw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB3i7LJ5ppt0pf910j69A7ZmRixDt5Tyg2rC6WOZiGYfwXdZXQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB3i7LL8jmS0MskBUiOAAaXnwnK0p6fFDohp+Ex8L7o3pXHqCQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <DS7PR11MB607833E0E7D6EAC3D08BDDEAD112A@DS7PR11MB6078.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <2009841706.2575632.1691664020176@mail.yahoo.com>

 Computer design flaw? ??
    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 01:39:27 AM EDT, Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Okay,? so back to the original question.?How come the filter blocks off the engine breather tube?
M
On Wed., Aug. 9, 2023, 12:01 p.m. Jean Caron, <vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com> wrote:

Michael,I have the same type of elements in the BN2 I am currently restoring.
Jean


Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada?s largest network.From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2023 7:11:33 AM
To: healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: 100 air cleaners.?Hi John,?
This is the element that I'm talking about.? It is a cleanable type and is what was in this car with less than 30K miles.?The elements have a "rubber" ring on each side and the filter medium in somewhat like a pot scrub.Is that not the original type?M
On Wed., Aug. 9, 2023, 5:02 a.m. john harper, <ah100tech at gmail.com> wrote:

Michael
I cannot be sure but it looks as if this is fitted with a dry filter element. The originals had an oil-wetted element that had to be washed out in paraffin from time to time and then re-wetted. Rather messy.
I don't have a filter to hand but perhaps the wetted type did not block the breather?pipe.
All the best
On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 05:22, Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com> wrote:

This picture shows an original BN1/2 front air cleaner back plate and an original air filter element.?Interestingly when this unit is assembled the "O" ring of the element almost completely blocks off the engine breather tube in the back plate which renders the engine breather system inoperative.?Bit odd?
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From healeyrik at gmail.com  Thu Aug 10 05:17:28 2023
From: healeyrik at gmail.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 07:17:28 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: Fw: famous British Car Club member
In-Reply-To: <2031361290.2011560.1691666032925@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <B4CA82DD-E45D-413B-BC69-976FD169C933@hawaii.rr.com>
 <2031361290.2011560.1691666032925@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAGfzsZe+1w3MQXSt4P64jtq2Kdw-9XJhrzXkKNYPom73uQOu+A@mail.gmail.com>

I wanted to forward this email I received from the British Car Club of
Hawaii about lister Perry Snall.

Aloha, Perry



----- Forwarded Message -----
*From:* rob caveney <robcaveney at hawaii.rr.com>
*To:* Rob Caveney <robcaveney at hawaii.rr.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 06:55:28 PM EDT
*Subject:* famous British Car Club member

Long time club member Perry Small is still well deserving of his
contributions to the  British car world. Perry moved to the mainland
several years ago but is still active in our club, and apparently,
elsewhere as well. Way to go Perry and thanks for sharing.

Aloha from the gang in Hawaii.

Rob
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From austin.healey at gmail.com  Thu Aug 10 05:24:06 2023
From: austin.healey at gmail.com (Chris Dimmock)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 21:24:06 +1000
Subject: [Healeys] Bucket list England goodwood revival
Message-ID: <7CEFAF95-D38B-4482-B93F-CE0231732AB4@gmail.com>

Hi all
A mate of mine, and I, leave Sydney Australia 2 weeks from today. 
A full on bucket list Austin enthusiasts, boys bucket list, Tour! Leaving our wifey?s of our lifeys, at home in Australia. 
Visiting all the usualsuppliers. 
Going to a heap of spridget races. 
Beaulieau 
Goodwood Revival
Anyone in the UK who we can visit on the list??
I lived in England 1990 - 1992, so I?m pretty sure I know the major landmarks. 
It?s the people. 
Anyone who wants to catch up for a beer, lunch, or dinner - depending on our agenda - we would love to catch up!! 
In England 25 August- 11 September 
Sincerely 
Chris Dimmock
www.myaustinhealey.com 



From healey.nut at gmail.com  Thu Aug 10 06:19:19 2023
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 08:19:19 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: 100 air cleaners.
In-Reply-To: <CAB3i7L+pO-1xW0nBpk4xv0CuhB3_YLiWc3tbXYTpjhXq08bFDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB3i7LJ4C4M=Mmn631Hj9HDmx1Wth=YBN6PW6t8XU13a_px_9w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFBXTkKFWwEwmRPkfz4Ri6bLQ9iMLTz8=NU7CJ4KuOT1LYVfOQ@mail.gmail.com>

looking at your picture of the filter assembly backplate it seems like
there is a little bit of oil blowby inside of the seal, so the filter
itself probably sits up just enough for air to get by.  Eitherway, looks
like a nice way to maximise oil leaks!

On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 1:51?AM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Okay,  so back to the original question.
> How come the filter blocks off the engine breather tube?
>
> M
>
> On Wed., Aug. 9, 2023, 12:01 p.m. Jean Caron, <
> vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Michael,
>> I have the same type of elements in the BN2 I am currently restoring.
>>
>> Jean
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada?s largest network.
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Michael
>> Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 9, 2023 7:11:33 AM
>> *To:* healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* [Healeys] Fwd: 100 air cleaners.
>>
>> Hi John,
>> This is the element that I'm talking about.  It is a cleanable type and
>> is what was in this car with less than 30K miles.
>> The elements have a "rubber" ring on each side and the filter medium in
>> somewhat like a pot scrub.
>> Is that not the original type?
>> M
>>
>> On Wed., Aug. 9, 2023, 5:02 a.m. john harper, <ah100tech at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> I cannot be sure but it looks as if this is fitted with a dry filter
>> element. The originals had an oil-wetted element that had to be washed out
>> in paraffin from time to time and then re-wetted. Rather messy.
>>
>> I don't have a filter to hand but perhaps the wetted type did not block
>> the breather pipe.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 05:22, Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This picture shows an original BN1/2 front air cleaner back plate and an
>> original air filter element.
>> Interestingly when this unit is assembled the "O" ring of the element
>> almost completely blocks off the engine breather tube in the back plate
>> which renders the engine breather system inoperative.
>> Bit odd?
>>
>> M
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Thu Aug 10 07:09:18 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 09:09:18 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: 100 air cleaners.
In-Reply-To: <CAFBXTkKFWwEwmRPkfz4Ri6bLQ9iMLTz8=NU7CJ4KuOT1LYVfOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB3i7LJ4C4M=Mmn631Hj9HDmx1Wth=YBN6PW6t8XU13a_px_9w@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAB3i7LJ5ppt0pf910j69A7ZmRixDt5Tyg2rC6WOZiGYfwXdZXQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAB3i7L+GKdN1Y-6H+a3F35hS=mX-o4gSyH0p4-WGRjX98hs60w@mail.gmail.com>

Yes Alan, absolutely correct.  Depending upon where you clamp the element
there can be a VERY small orifice which, with that backplate, was probably
sufficient to produce the stain.
Frankly I'm stunned that this would have got by "Engineering ".
If it wasn't for the fact that I have fitted a PCV system to this engine I
would most definitely be taking steps to correct the situation.

M

On Thu., Aug. 10, 2023, 8:19 a.m. Alan Seigrist, <healey.nut at gmail.com>
wrote:

> looking at your picture of the filter assembly backplate it seems like
> there is a little bit of oil blowby inside of the seal, so the filter
> itself probably sits up just enough for air to get by.  Eitherway, looks
> like a nice way to maximise oil leaks!
>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 1:51?AM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Okay,  so back to the original question.
>> How come the filter blocks off the engine breather tube?
>>
>> M
>>
>> On Wed., Aug. 9, 2023, 12:01 p.m. Jean Caron, <
>> vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael,
>>> I have the same type of elements in the BN2 I am currently restoring.
>>>
>>> Jean
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada?s largest network.
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Michael
>>> Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 9, 2023 7:11:33 AM
>>> *To:* healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>
>>> *Subject:* [Healeys] Fwd: 100 air cleaners.
>>>
>>> Hi John,
>>> This is the element that I'm talking about.  It is a cleanable type and
>>> is what was in this car with less than 30K miles.
>>> The elements have a "rubber" ring on each side and the filter medium in
>>> somewhat like a pot scrub.
>>> Is that not the original type?
>>> M
>>>
>>> On Wed., Aug. 9, 2023, 5:02 a.m. john harper, <ah100tech at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> I cannot be sure but it looks as if this is fitted with a dry filter
>>> element. The originals had an oil-wetted element that had to be washed out
>>> in paraffin from time to time and then re-wetted. Rather messy.
>>>
>>> I don't have a filter to hand but perhaps the wetted type did not block
>>> the breather pipe.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 05:22, Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This picture shows an original BN1/2 front air cleaner back plate and an
>>> original air filter element.
>>> Interestingly when this unit is assembled the "O" ring of the element
>>> almost completely blocks off the engine breather tube in the back plate
>>> which renders the engine breather system inoperative.
>>> Bit odd?
>>>
>>> M
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From coudesluijs at chello.nl  Thu Aug 10 07:18:36 2023
From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:18:36 +0200
Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: 100 air cleaners.
In-Reply-To: <2009841706.2575632.1691664020176@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAB3i7LJ4C4M=Mmn631Hj9HDmx1Wth=YBN6PW6t8XU13a_px_9w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <c1e4cf16-5c8f-34fc-b8d4-50772bce3879@chello.nl>

Proper British design!!
Kees Oudesluijs

Op 10-8-2023 om 12:40 schreef jomar healey via Healeys:
> Computer design flaw? ??
>
> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 01:39:27 AM EDT, Michael Salter 
> <michaelsalter at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Okay,? so back to the original question.
> How come the filter blocks off the engine breather tube?
>
> M
>
> On Wed., Aug. 9, 2023, 12:01 p.m. Jean Caron, 
> <vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Michael,
>     I have the same type of elements in the BN2 I am currently restoring.
>
>     Jean
>
>
>
>     Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada?s largest network.
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of
>     Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, August 9, 2023 7:11:33 AM
>     *To:* healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>
>     *Subject:* [Healeys] Fwd: 100 air cleaners.
>     Hi John,
>     This is the element that I'm talking about.? It is a cleanable
>     type and is what was in this car with less than 30K miles.
>     The elements have a "rubber" ring on each side and the filter
>     medium in somewhat like a pot scrub.
>     Is that not the original type?
>     M
>
>     On Wed., Aug. 9, 2023, 5:02 a.m. john harper,
>     <ah100tech at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         Michael
>
>         I cannot be sure but it looks as if this is fitted with a dry
>         filter element. The originals had an oil-wetted element that
>         had to be washed out in paraffin from time to time and then
>         re-wetted. Rather messy.
>
>         I don't have a filter to hand but perhaps the wetted type did
>         not block the breather?pipe.
>
>         All the best
>
>         On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 05:22, Michael Salter
>         <michaelsalter at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>             This picture shows an original BN1/2 front air cleaner
>             back plate and an original air filter element.
>             Interestingly when this unit is assembled the "O" ring of
>             the element almost completely blocks off the engine
>             breather tube in the back plate which renders the engine
>             breather system inoperative.
>             Bit odd?
>
>             M
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Thu Aug 10 07:43:22 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 06:43:22 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive pressures
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On a side note: Someone commented that the higher pressures reported may 
have been caused by the owner using the O-ring style accumulator pistons 
as opposed to the 'traditional' metal rings style. Though I think the 
O-rings are a good idea--I would have used them if I'd known/thought 
about them--I don't think that alone would necessarily account for 
higher pressures. Accumulator pressure is limited by relief holes in the 
bore; when the piston is pushed far enough back, the holes are exposed 
and allow fluid to flow out of the accumulator (the piston both builds 
pressure and regulates it). The metal ring type pistons--they look like 
small engine pistons--should develop the spec'd pressure; but the 
O-rings would be less likely to score the bore and cause pressure loss 
over time. Or, are the metal ring type that leaky? Two things could 
cause higher-than-spec pressure: 1) much stronger accumulator spring(s) 
or 2) an inaccurate gauge. The oil pressure gauge on my BJ8 registered 
zero PSI for many years--obviously, it had SOME pressure--but my car 
miraculously gained 20PSI at idle when I had the gauge rebuilt and 
adjusted to a standard (i.e. 'calibrated').

On another note; just caught an episode of Wheeler Dealers where Elvis 
fixed an inop O/D on a Triumph Dolomite Sprint (I had never heard of the 
car before but, of course, 'Dolomite' has Healey history). The O/D 
appeared to be a Laycock, but the offending part--the solenoid, 
natch--was a more robust-appearing unit mounted horizontally on the 
bottom of the O/D. Anyone know anything about what, presumably, is a 
later Laycock unit?


On 8/9/2023 11:39 AM, warthodson--- via Healeys wrote:
> Dave, I found this in my Spam file. Surely someone has an opinion 
> concerning the 500-550 psi!
> Gary Hodson
>
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 03:05:56 AM CDT, John and Kerry Rowe 
> <jtkarowe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I would be very happy with those pressures. I wish!
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 1:39?PM David Wirken via Healeys 
> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>     Recently?overhauled OD when testing the pressure, it measured 500
>     to 550 psi on the gauge.The book says it should be 470 to 490 PSI
>     and drops?about 80 PSI when engaged or disengaged and jumps back
>     up to 470 PSI very quickly.
>     Question is " should I be concerned about the high numbers I am
>     experiencing ?
>
>     THANKS for your input
>
>     Dave
>
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From healeyguy at aol.com  Thu Aug 10 08:13:39 2023
From: healeyguy at aol.com (Perry Small)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 10:13:39 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Lahaina Maui
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Listers
I normally do not bring up social issues but ask that you remember those folks in Lahaina Maui that were devastated by wild fires over the last few days. Lots of British car owners over there and suspect the loss will be huge in many ways. 
Perry

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From s.hutchings at rogers.com  Thu Aug 10 09:28:50 2023
From: s.hutchings at rogers.com (Stephen Hutchings)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 11:28:50 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Bucket list England goodwood revival
In-Reply-To: <7CEFAF95-D38B-4482-B93F-CE0231732AB4@gmail.com>
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Hi Chris,

Sounds like a wonderful trip?I?ve been to the Goodwood Revival four times and it never disappoints.
My suggestion for a visit is JME Healeys. They work out of Donald Healey?s old shop at the Cape. They look after a number of racing cars, as well as doing restorations.
When I dropped by I was in the middle of my BJ8 restoration, and they were very welcoming and helpful with advice. If nothing else, you get to see where the Healey development happened, and where the 100S was built.

Stephen, BJ8

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> On Aug 10, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Chris Dimmock <austin.healey at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi all
> A mate of mine, and I, leave Sydney Australia 2 weeks from today. 
> A full on bucket list Austin enthusiasts, boys bucket list, Tour! Leaving our wifey?s of our lifeys, at home in Australia. 
> Visiting all the usualsuppliers. 
> Going to a heap of spridget races. 
> Beaulieau 
> Goodwood Revival
> Anyone in the UK who we can visit on the list??
> I lived in England 1990 - 1992, so I?m pretty sure I know the major landmarks. 
> It?s the people. 
> Anyone who wants to catch up for a beer, lunch, or dinner - depending on our agenda - we would love to catch up!! 
> In England 25 August- 11 September 
> Sincerely 
> Chris Dimmock
> www.myaustinhealey.com 
> 
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From roggrace at telus.net  Thu Aug 10 17:21:38 2023
From: roggrace at telus.net (Roger Grace)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:21:38 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Fwd:  Overdrive pressures
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Sorry I neglected to copy the list.
On 2x BJ8 have upgraded the OD hydraulics including new accumulator main
spring O ring piston and the NR and operating valve balls and springs as a
package from OD Spares in UK. Both cars now have pressure over 500 psi - a
non calibrated gauge I will admit to. Really do prefer the O ring style
piston. BTW this piston has a slightly larger diameter of 1.196 compared to
the 1 1/8 per original. So you have to replace the accumulator as well.
rg

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From: Roger Grace <roggrace at telus.net>
Date: Mon., Aug. 7, 2023, 8:43 p.m.
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive pressures
To: David Wirken <dmw at wirkenphoto.com>


No !
Suspect that your replacement piston uses an O ring instead of the old
sleeve rings. That, together with a new spring usually ups the pressure. Is
it engaging too quickly with a jolt ?
rg

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On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 8:37?PM David Wirken via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Recently overhauled OD when testing the pressure, it measured 500 to 550
> psi on the gauge.The book says it should be 470 to 490 PSI and drops about
> 80 PSI when engaged or disengaged and jumps back up to 470 PSI very
> quickly.
> Question is " should I be concerned about the high numbers I am
> experiencing ?
>
> THANKS for your input
>
> Dave
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From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca  Fri Aug 11 05:35:17 2023
From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 07:35:17 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Bucket list England goodwood revival
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Hi Chris,

Likewise I am heading "home" at the end of the month with tentative plans for Beaulieu and definite plans for Goodwood.  Visiting mates and family for a week and looking forward proper Ale and great cars.

Cheers, Mirek

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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Chris Dimmock
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2023 7:24 AM
To: Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Bucket list England goodwood revival

Hi all
A mate of mine, and I, leave Sydney Australia 2 weeks from today. 
A full on bucket list Austin enthusiasts, boys bucket list, Tour! Leaving our wifey?s of our lifeys, at home in Australia. 
Visiting all the usualsuppliers. 
Going to a heap of spridget races. 
Beaulieau
Goodwood Revival
Anyone in the UK who we can visit on the list??
I lived in England 1990 - 1992, so I?m pretty sure I know the major landmarks. 
It?s the people. 
Anyone who wants to catch up for a beer, lunch, or dinner - depending on our agenda - we would love to catch up!! 
In England 25 August- 11 September
Sincerely
Chris Dimmock
www.myaustinhealey.com 


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From healeyray at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 11 11:34:21 2023
From: healeyray at yahoo.com (Ray Juncal)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 17:34:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Lahaina Maui
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 It's always a sad day to lose an old and cherished car. They aren't making any more of those so gone forever. It looks like many people have lost way more than a car. Some of them probably friends of yours Perry. So sorry to hear.Ray

    On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 05:36:58 PM PDT, Perry Small via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Listers
I normally do not bring up social issues but ask that you remember those folks in Lahaina Maui that were devastated by wild fires over the last few days. Lots of British car owners over there and suspect the loss will be huge in many ways. 
Perry

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From gradea1 at charter.net  Fri Aug 11 11:34:46 2023
From: gradea1 at charter.net (Hank Leach)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 17:34:46 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive
Message-ID: <fb2f308e0fd504f7c110d5138056ab503dcfdb19@webmail>

Guys-this is a very lively topic and one of sometimes great mystery
and confusion. The unit is complex but the end result is working well
or not functioning at all.
On the subject of pressure required to operate the shift into
overdrive there are many schools of thought. Some people replace or
stretch springs or add washers to increase the pressure needed. The
health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive is
important to keep the clutch from slipping. The pressure supplied to
overcome the strength of these 8 spring , and effect overdrive, relies
on adequate hydraulic pressure. The change from direct to overdrive
needs to be smooth, not harsh, and if pressures are high the unit will
snap into and out of OD rather than the smooth interchange we are used
to while driving.
When applied to the Austin Healey 100, the Laycock overdrive was
initially a 32% reduction unit. It was soon found out in these early
Warwick cars that 32% was too much reduction. DHMC swapped units three
times in the original DMH tour car until they finally found a
combination that produced the smooth shift and complimentary gearing
desired.
It is difficult, today, to find any information on this original 32%
gearbox, however if you examine the booklet (attached) supplied by
Laycock for the early cars, you will notice that the casting allowed
for a large accumulator piston (seen on p6 in brochure). After some
research and modified engineering, the company came up with this alloy
"sleeve" called the piston housing (photo) which partially filled the
chamber of the original large accumulator casting and allowed for a
smaller accumulator piston that we see in all the later 28% reduction
units. That size piston, in proper condition, produced from 350-450
lbs of needed hydraulic pressure to overcome the springs influence.
I'm confident that the remark made by Geoff Healey in his writings
about the early transmissions "harsh shifting" revolved around this
huge accumulator piston producing too much pressure. Additionally,
there were three various accumulator springs supplied which adjusted
the pressure. The early boxes produced about 350lbs and the later
about 450.
Today, Overdrive Spares supplies that sleeve housing with only one
rubber O-ring as it is basically a filler part and not under extreme
pressure. The accumulator piston within is under that pressure. They
supply a modified piston using O-ring technology. So, it is not
unusual to get good pressures over the normal 450 lbs required. If it
works well don't fix it. The only concern is if the pressure does not
release when overdrive is not called for. A clean unit, with proper
30W oil, will allow that to happen. All this some old theory and
history to ponder. Hank
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From airtightproductions at me.com  Fri Aug 11 12:11:51 2023
From: airtightproductions at me.com (Steven Kingsbury)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 18:11:51 -0000
Subject: [Healeys] Lahaina Maui
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Perry,They are definitely in my thoughts. It's not easy to get through, especially at the beginning of the "discovery" stage. That's where you begin to discover what damage has been done. I only hope if you had friends there, that they made it through safe and sound, even if their property did not.StevenOn Aug 10, 2023, at 5:41 PM, Perry Small via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:ListersI normally do not bring up social issues but ask that you remember those folks in Lahaina Maui that were devastated by wild fires over the last few days. Lots of British car owners over there and suspect the loss will be huge in many ways. PerrySent from my iPhone_______________________________________________Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlSuggested annual donation  $12.75Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeysHealeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeysUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/airtightproductions at icloud.com
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Fri Aug 11 18:54:49 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 17:54:49 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive
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re: "... The health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive 
is important to keep the clutch from slipping...."

I believe the shop manual admonishes owners to replace these when 
overhauling the unit, even if the old ones look and feel fine (some say 
not so). I think my old ones are in a box on a shelf somewhere if 
anybody wants them.

Note the O/D pump is a positive displacement pump that will continue to 
produce pressure--driven by the full power of the engine--unless there 
is a pressure relief mechanism.


On 8/11/2023 10:34 AM, Hank Leach via Healeys wrote:
> Guys-this is a very lively topic and one of sometimes great mystery 
> and confusion.? The unit is complex but the end result is working well 
> or not functioning at all.
>
> On the subject of pressure required to operate the shift into 
> overdrive there are many schools of thought. Some people replace or 
> stretch springs or add washers to increase the pressure needed. The 
> health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive is 
> important to keep the clutch from slipping.? The pressure supplied to 
> overcome the strength of these 8 spring , and effect overdrive, relies 
> on adequate hydraulic pressure. The change from direct to overdrive 
> needs to be smooth, not harsh, and if pressures are high the unit will 
> snap into and out of OD rather than the smooth interchange we are used 
> to while driving.
>
> When applied to the Austin Healey 100, the Laycock overdrive was 
> initially a 32% reduction unit. It was soon found out in these early 
> Warwick cars that 32% was too much reduction.? DHMC swapped units 
> three times in the original DMH tour car until they finally found a 
> combination that produced the smooth shift and complimentary gearing 
> desired.
>
> It is difficult, today, to find any information on this original 32% 
> gearbox, however if you examine the booklet (attached) supplied by 
> Laycock for the early cars, you will notice that the casting allowed 
> for a large accumulator piston (seen on p6 in brochure). After some 
> research and modified engineering, the company came up with this alloy 
> "sleeve" called the piston housing (photo) which partially filled the 
> chamber of the original large accumulator casting and allowed for a 
> smaller accumulator piston that we see in all the later 28% reduction 
> units. That size piston, in proper condition, produced from 350-450 
> lbs of needed hydraulic pressure to overcome the springs influence.
>
> I'm confident that the remark made by Geoff Healey in his writings 
> about the early transmissions "harsh shifting" revolved around this 
> huge accumulator piston producing too much pressure. Additionally, 
> there were three various accumulator springs supplied which adjusted 
> the pressure. The early boxes produced about 350lbs and the later 
> about 450.
>
> Today, Overdrive Spares supplies that sleeve housing with only one 
> rubber O-ring as it is basically a filler part and not under extreme 
> pressure. The accumulator piston within is under that pressure. They 
> supply a modified piston using O-ring technology. So, it is not 
> unusual to get good pressures over the normal 450 lbs required. If it 
> works well don't fix it.? The only concern is if the pressure does not 
> release when overdrive is not called for. A clean unit, with proper 
> 30W oil, will allow that to happen. All this some old theory and 
> history to ponder. Hank
>


From healeyrik at gmail.com  Sat Aug 12 09:07:58 2023
From: healeyrik at gmail.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 11:07:58 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Bucket list England goodwood revival
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Sounds like a great trip, Chris. Enjoy!



On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 11:18?AM Chris Dimmock <austin.healey at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all
> A mate of mine, and I, leave Sydney Australia 2 weeks from today.
> A full on bucket list Austin enthusiasts, boys bucket list, Tour! Leaving
> our wifey?s of our lifeys, at home in Australia.
> Visiting all the usualsuppliers.
> Going to a heap of spridget races.
> Beaulieau
> Goodwood Revival
> Anyone in the UK who we can visit on the list??
> I lived in England 1990 - 1992, so I?m pretty sure I know the major
> landmarks.
> It?s the people.
> Anyone who wants to catch up for a beer, lunch, or dinner - depending on
> our agenda - we would love to catch up!!
> In England 25 August- 11 September
> Sincerely
> Chris Dimmock
> www.myaustinhealey.com
>
>
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From guido36 at att.net  Sat Aug 12 09:17:51 2023
From: guido36 at att.net (Guy)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 17:17:51 +0200
Subject: [Healeys] Goodwoid Revival
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I too will be at the Goodwood Revival.  I grew up at the track as a lad and experienced first hand what they are reviving, working as a gopher pumping up tyres, cleaning windscreens and eventually promoted to lap timing duties for the top competitors for the Tourist Trophy.  Great memories and a home oming for me.

I will be wearing red Heakey 100 logo coveralls and a Healey newsboy cap so if you see me give me a shout.

Healey specialist Bill Rawles usually has a stand and although not plentiful there are some famous Healeys there.  There is usually a good selection in the classic car parking. This year it is Porsche?s 75th anniversary and Carrol Shelby?s 100 birthday which are being honoured.

Cheers, Guy

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From gradea1 at charter.net  Sat Aug 12 10:40:10 2023
From: gradea1 at charter.net (Hank Leach)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 16:40:10 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive
Message-ID: <c02183110a608b1b7fa676318c90572c41f2fd02@webmail>

Bob-good point. I just got a set of springs from Moss (from OD Spares
in UK, I imagine). The cost was $99 or about $12/spring which in the
scope of things is really not relevant. Holding that clutch in tight
contact to the brake ring is paramount and just imagine the number of
miles in direct drive that the car has experienced...many at high RPM.
The other side of the brake for overdrive position is the "lazy side"
as the operating pistons under hydraulic pressure have plenty of clout
driving mostly steady RPMs. Yes, springs wear out.
I place them on the bench and line up the lengths. They should measure
4-1/2" for the long springs and 4-1/4" for the short ones but
invariably there is differences in the resting length. After 50+ years
of pushing you would tend to get tired. When in overdrive, the springs
are greatly depressed. That is asking a lot for spiral metal to
accomplish. So, yes they may look good, but have poor stamina-oops, I
just describe all of us. Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: "Bob Spidell" 
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Cc: 
Sent: Friday August 11 2023 9:19:34PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive

 re: "... The health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct
drive
 is important to keep the clutch from slipping...."

 I believe the shop manual admonishes owners to replace these when
 overhauling the unit, even if the old ones look and feel fine (some
say
 not so). I think my old ones are in a box on a shelf somewhere if
 anybody wants them.

 Note the O/D pump is a positive displacement pump that will continue
to
 produce pressure--driven by the full power of the engine--unless
there
 is a pressure relief mechanism.

 On 8/11/2023 10:34 AM, Hank Leach via Healeys wrote:
 > Guys-this is a very lively topic and one of sometimes great mystery
 > and confusion. The unit is complex but the end result is working
well
 > or not functioning at all.
 >
 > On the subject of pressure required to operate the shift into
 > overdrive there are many schools of thought. Some people replace or
 > stretch springs or add washers to increase the pressure needed. The
 > health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive is
 > important to keep the clutch from slipping. The pressure supplied
to
 > overcome the strength of these 8 spring , and effect overdrive,
relies
 > on adequate hydraulic pressure. The change from direct to overdrive
 > needs to be smooth, not harsh, and if pressures are high the unit
will
 > snap into and out of OD rather than the smooth interchange we are
used
 > to while driving.
 >
 > When applied to the Austin Healey 100, the Laycock overdrive was
 > initially a 32% reduction unit. It was soon found out in these
early
 > Warwick cars that 32% was too much reduction. DHMC swapped units
 > three times in the original DMH tour car until they finally found a
 > combination that produced the smooth shift and complimentary
gearing
 > desired.
 >
 > It is difficult, today, to find any information on this original
32%
 > gearbox, however if you examine the booklet (attached) supplied by
 > Laycock for the early cars, you will notice that the casting
allowed
 > for a large accumulator piston (seen on p6 in brochure). After some
 > research and modified engineering, the company came up with this
alloy
 > "sleeve" called the piston housing (photo) which partially filled
the
 > chamber of the original large accumulator casting and allowed for a
 > smaller accumulator piston that we see in all the later 28%
reduction
 > units. That size piston, in proper condition, produced from 350-450
 > lbs of needed hydraulic pressure to overcome the springs influence.
 >
 > I'm confident that the remark made by Geoff Healey in his writings
 > about the early transmissions "harsh shifting" revolved around this
 > huge accumulator piston producing too much pressure. Additionally,
 > there were three various accumulator springs supplied which
adjusted
 > the pressure. The early boxes produced about 350lbs and the later
 > about 450.
 >
 > Today, Overdrive Spares supplies that sleeve housing with only one
 > rubber O-ring as it is basically a filler part and not under
extreme
 > pressure. The accumulator piston within is under that pressure.
They
 > supply a modified piston using O-ring technology. So, it is not
 > unusual to get good pressures over the normal 450 lbs required. If
it
 > works well don't fix it. The only concern is if the pressure does
not
 > release when overdrive is not called for. A clean unit, with proper
 > 30W oil, will allow that to happen. All this some old theory and
 > history to ponder. Hank
 >

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From healeyguy at aol.com  Sat Aug 12 12:13:13 2023
From: healeyguy at aol.com (Perry Small)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 14:13:13 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] On the road again
References: <6B50551A-31DB-43F9-8484-1B50D11578EE.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6B50551A-31DB-43F9-8484-1B50D11578EE@aol.com>

?
Listers
After our move to South Carolina from Western Pennsylvania nearly 6 months ago, we finally got the BN2 out of the garage today. Attended a nice lunch with the local British Car Club in a nearby town. The 100 cruised along pretty well even in the current very hot weather. 
Reminds me of the many fun days spent in the car over the last 58 years of ownership. 
Perry

Sent from my iPhone

From bspidell at comcast.net  Sat Aug 12 13:18:02 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 12:18:02 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive
In-Reply-To: <c02183110a608b1b7fa676318c90572c41f2fd02@webmail>
References: <c02183110a608b1b7fa676318c90572c41f2fd02@webmail>
Message-ID: <62351d03-69ac-4056-cab4-03b91cb42a88@comcast.net>

I think the fact Laycock went from steel rings on the operating pistons 
to O-rings is telling. Both will wear, but the steel rings will score 
the cylinder.


On 8/12/2023 9:40 AM, Hank Leach wrote:
> Bob-good point.? I just got a set of springs from Moss (from OD Spares 
> in UK, I imagine). The cost was $99 or about $12/spring which in the 
> scope of things is really not relevant. Holding that clutch in tight 
> contact to the brake ring is paramount and just imagine the number of 
> miles in direct drive that the car has experienced...many at high RPM. 
> The other side of the brake for overdrive position is the "lazy side" 
> as the operating pistons under hydraulic pressure have plenty of clout 
> driving mostly steady RPMs. Yes, springs wear out.
>
> I place them on the bench and line up the lengths. They should measure 
> 4-1/2" for the long springs and 4-1/4" for the short ones but 
> invariably there is differences in the resting length. After 50+ years 
> of pushing you would tend to get tired. When in overdrive, the springs 
> are greatly depressed.? That is asking a lot for spiral metal to 
> accomplish. So, yes they may look good, but have poor stamina-oops, I 
> just describe all of us. Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> From: "Bob Spidell"
> To: healeys at autox.team.net
> Cc:
> Sent: Friday August 11 2023 9:19:34PM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive
>
> re: "... The health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive
> is important to keep the clutch from slipping...."
>
> I believe the shop manual admonishes owners to replace these when
> overhauling the unit, even if the old ones look and feel fine (some say
> not so). I think my old ones are in a box on a shelf somewhere if
> anybody wants them.
>
> Note the O/D pump is a positive displacement pump that will continue to
> produce pressure--driven by the full power of the engine--unless there
> is a pressure relief mechanism.
>
>
> On 8/11/2023 10:34 AM, Hank Leach via Healeys wrote:
> > Guys-this is a very lively topic and one of sometimes great mystery
> > and confusion.? The unit is complex but the end result is working well
> > or not functioning at all.
> >
> > On the subject of pressure required to operate the shift into
> > overdrive there are many schools of thought. Some people replace or
> > stretch springs or add washers to increase the pressure needed. The
> > health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive is
> > important to keep the clutch from slipping.? The pressure supplied to
> > overcome the strength of these 8 spring , and effect overdrive, relies
> > on adequate hydraulic pressure. The change from direct to overdrive
> > needs to be smooth, not harsh, and if pressures are high the unit will
> > snap into and out of OD rather than the smooth interchange we are used
> > to while driving.
> >
> > When applied to the Austin Healey 100, the Laycock overdrive was
> > initially a 32% reduction unit. It was soon found out in these early
> > Warwick cars that 32% was too much reduction.? DHMC swapped units
> > three times in the original DMH tour car until they finally found a
> > combination that produced the smooth shift and complimentary gearing
> > desired.
> >
> > It is difficult, today, to find any information on this original 32%
> > gearbox, however if you examine the booklet (attached) supplied by
> > Laycock for the early cars, you will notice that the casting allowed
> > for a large accumulator piston (seen on p6 in brochure). After some
> > research and modified engineering, the company came up with this alloy
> > "sleeve" called the piston housing (photo) which partially filled the
> > chamber of the original large accumulator casting and allowed for a
> > smaller accumulator piston that we see in all the later 28% reduction
> > units. That size piston, in proper condition, produced from 350-450
> > lbs of needed hydraulic pressure to overcome the springs influence.
> >
> > I'm confident that the remark made by Geoff Healey in his writings
> > about the early transmissions "harsh shifting" revolved around this
> > huge accumulator piston producing too much pressure. Additionally,
> > there were three various accumulator springs supplied which adjusted
> > the pressure. The early boxes produced about 350lbs and the later
> > about 450.
> >
> > Today, Overdrive Spares supplies that sleeve housing with only one
> > rubber O-ring as it is basically a filler part and not under extreme
> > pressure. The accumulator piston within is under that pressure. They
> > supply a modified piston using O-ring technology. So, it is not
> > unusual to get good pressures over the normal 450 lbs required. If it
> > works well don't fix it.? The only concern is if the pressure does not
> > release when overdrive is not called for. A clean unit, with proper
> > 30W oil, will allow that to happen. All this some old theory and
> > history to ponder. Hank
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From kimobriske at gmail.com  Sat Aug 12 14:50:12 2023
From: kimobriske at gmail.com (Kimo Briske)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 10:50:12 -1000
Subject: [Healeys] Lahaina Maui
In-Reply-To: <0670EE73-CEDE-4F0C-851A-AC9ACE733B0D@aol.com>
References: <0670EE73-CEDE-4F0C-851A-AC9ACE733B0D.ref@aol.com>
 <0670EE73-CEDE-4F0C-851A-AC9ACE733B0D@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CANqsgC4+92OQffvRZ9g-DW7kAzRhZhKAH7GEPm=6HSWBiqxd+g@mail.gmail.com>

Perry, Thanks for your prayers. I live in Kula [ upcountry ] . The fire
came close, about a 1/4 mile away. Thanks to the water drop helicopters.
Maui will recover. Mahalo, Kimo

On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 2:42?PM Perry Small via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Listers
> I normally do not bring up social issues but ask that you remember those
> folks in Lahaina Maui that were devastated by wild fires over the last few
> days. Lots of British car owners over there and suspect the loss will be
> huge in many ways.
> Perry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From dmw at wirkenphoto.com  Sat Aug 12 15:19:26 2023
From: dmw at wirkenphoto.com (David Wirken)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 16:19:26 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive
In-Reply-To: <809f462c-de7a-d7e8-c6ca-07afeb526e11@comcast.net>
References: <fb2f308e0fd504f7c110d5138056ab503dcfdb19@webmail>
 <809f462c-de7a-d7e8-c6ca-07afeb526e11@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CALnfbV8X_WZjDAYXZWw5Ldrxv92Ue-hUo9VDCYyihrvtgtAFJA@mail.gmail.com>

Now that we are on the OD topic, I have a Healey 100 whose OD
won't disengage after I switch it off, it's not an electrical problem and
I'm really cautious about not putting the transmission in reverse. The only
way I can release it is to rock the car back and forth in neutral until it
pops out .
It's probably time to rebuild, I presume.

Any thoughts would be appreciated

DW



On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 11:11?PM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

> re: "... The health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive
> is important to keep the clutch from slipping...."
>
> I believe the shop manual admonishes owners to replace these when
> overhauling the unit, even if the old ones look and feel fine (some say
> not so). I think my old ones are in a box on a shelf somewhere if
> anybody wants them.
>
> Note the O/D pump is a positive displacement pump that will continue to
> produce pressure--driven by the full power of the engine--unless there
> is a pressure relief mechanism.
>
>
> On 8/11/2023 10:34 AM, Hank Leach via Healeys wrote:
> > Guys-this is a very lively topic and one of sometimes great mystery
> > and confusion.  The unit is complex but the end result is working well
> > or not functioning at all.
> >
> > On the subject of pressure required to operate the shift into
> > overdrive there are many schools of thought. Some people replace or
> > stretch springs or add washers to increase the pressure needed. The
> > health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive is
> > important to keep the clutch from slipping.  The pressure supplied to
> > overcome the strength of these 8 spring , and effect overdrive, relies
> > on adequate hydraulic pressure. The change from direct to overdrive
> > needs to be smooth, not harsh, and if pressures are high the unit will
> > snap into and out of OD rather than the smooth interchange we are used
> > to while driving.
> >
> > When applied to the Austin Healey 100, the Laycock overdrive was
> > initially a 32% reduction unit. It was soon found out in these early
> > Warwick cars that 32% was too much reduction.  DHMC swapped units
> > three times in the original DMH tour car until they finally found a
> > combination that produced the smooth shift and complimentary gearing
> > desired.
> >
> > It is difficult, today, to find any information on this original 32%
> > gearbox, however if you examine the booklet (attached) supplied by
> > Laycock for the early cars, you will notice that the casting allowed
> > for a large accumulator piston (seen on p6 in brochure). After some
> > research and modified engineering, the company came up with this alloy
> > "sleeve" called the piston housing (photo) which partially filled the
> > chamber of the original large accumulator casting and allowed for a
> > smaller accumulator piston that we see in all the later 28% reduction
> > units. That size piston, in proper condition, produced from 350-450
> > lbs of needed hydraulic pressure to overcome the springs influence.
> >
> > I'm confident that the remark made by Geoff Healey in his writings
> > about the early transmissions "harsh shifting" revolved around this
> > huge accumulator piston producing too much pressure. Additionally,
> > there were three various accumulator springs supplied which adjusted
> > the pressure. The early boxes produced about 350lbs and the later
> > about 450.
> >
> > Today, Overdrive Spares supplies that sleeve housing with only one
> > rubber O-ring as it is basically a filler part and not under extreme
> > pressure. The accumulator piston within is under that pressure. They
> > supply a modified piston using O-ring technology. So, it is not
> > unusual to get good pressures over the normal 450 lbs required. If it
> > works well don't fix it.  The only concern is if the pressure does not
> > release when overdrive is not called for. A clean unit, with proper
> > 30W oil, will allow that to happen. All this some old theory and
> > history to ponder. Hank
> >
>
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Sat Aug 12 20:43:34 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 19:43:34 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive
In-Reply-To: <CALnfbV8X_WZjDAYXZWw5Ldrxv92Ue-hUo9VDCYyihrvtgtAFJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fb2f308e0fd504f7c110d5138056ab503dcfdb19@webmail>
 <809f462c-de7a-d7e8-c6ca-07afeb526e11@comcast.net>
 <CALnfbV8X_WZjDAYXZWw5Ldrxv92Ue-hUo9VDCYyihrvtgtAFJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a86dfe11-c88b-ed78-2814-36fed11c1f27@comcast.net>

Two possible causes of this that I can think of:

1) O/D clutch is so worn it becomes jammed together (FWIW my BJ8's 
clutch was still serviceable at 205K miles)
2) something is preventing pressure on the operating pistons from 
bleeding down; not sure how this would happen, hopefully someone will 
chime in

bs


On 8/12/2023 2:19 PM, David Wirken wrote:
> Now that we are on the OD topic, I have a Healey 100 whose OD 
> won't?disengage after I switch it off, it's not an electrical problem 
> and I'm really cautious about not putting the transmission in reverse. 
> The only way I can release it is to rock the car back and forth in 
> neutral until it pops out .
> It's probably time to rebuild, I presume.
>
> Any thoughts would?be appreciated
>
> DW
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 11:11?PM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>     re: "... The health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct
>     drive
>     is important to keep the clutch from slipping...."
>
>     I believe the shop manual admonishes owners to replace these when
>     overhauling the unit, even if the old ones look and feel fine
>     (some say
>     not so). I think my old ones are in a box on a shelf somewhere if
>     anybody wants them.
>
>     Note the O/D pump is a positive displacement pump that will
>     continue to
>     produce pressure--driven by the full power of the engine--unless
>     there
>     is a pressure relief mechanism.
>
>
>     On 8/11/2023 10:34 AM, Hank Leach via Healeys wrote:
>     > Guys-this is a very lively topic and one of sometimes great mystery
>     > and confusion.? The unit is complex but the end result is
>     working well
>     > or not functioning at all.
>     >
>     > On the subject of pressure required to operate the shift into
>     > overdrive there are many schools of thought. Some people replace or
>     > stretch springs or add washers to increase the pressure needed. The
>     > health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive is
>     > important to keep the clutch from slipping.? The pressure
>     supplied to
>     > overcome the strength of these 8 spring , and effect overdrive,
>     relies
>     > on adequate hydraulic pressure. The change from direct to overdrive
>     > needs to be smooth, not harsh, and if pressures are high the
>     unit will
>     > snap into and out of OD rather than the smooth interchange we
>     are used
>     > to while driving.
>     >
>     > When applied to the Austin Healey 100, the Laycock overdrive was
>     > initially a 32% reduction unit. It was soon found out in these
>     early
>     > Warwick cars that 32% was too much reduction.? DHMC swapped units
>     > three times in the original DMH tour car until they finally found a
>     > combination that produced the smooth shift and complimentary
>     gearing
>     > desired.
>     >
>     > It is difficult, today, to find any information on this original
>     32%
>     > gearbox, however if you examine the booklet (attached) supplied by
>     > Laycock for the early cars, you will notice that the casting
>     allowed
>     > for a large accumulator piston (seen on p6 in brochure). After some
>     > research and modified engineering, the company came up with this
>     alloy
>     > "sleeve" called the piston housing (photo) which partially
>     filled the
>     > chamber of the original large accumulator casting and allowed for a
>     > smaller accumulator piston that we see in all the later 28%
>     reduction
>     > units. That size piston, in proper condition, produced from 350-450
>     > lbs of needed hydraulic pressure to overcome the springs influence.
>     >
>     > I'm confident that the remark made by Geoff Healey in his writings
>     > about the early transmissions "harsh shifting" revolved around this
>     > huge accumulator piston producing too much pressure. Additionally,
>     > there were three various accumulator springs supplied which
>     adjusted
>     > the pressure. The early boxes produced about 350lbs and the later
>     > about 450.
>     >
>     > Today, Overdrive Spares supplies that sleeve housing with only one
>     > rubber O-ring as it is basically a filler part and not under
>     extreme
>     > pressure. The accumulator piston within is under that pressure.
>     They
>     > supply a modified piston using O-ring technology. So, it is not
>     > unusual to get good pressures over the normal 450 lbs required.
>     If it
>     > works well don't fix it.? The only concern is if the pressure
>     does not
>     > release when overdrive is not called for. A clean unit, with proper
>     > 30W oil, will allow that to happen. All this some old theory and
>     > history to ponder. Hank
>     >
>
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Sun Aug 13 05:01:00 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 07:01:00 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive
In-Reply-To: <a86dfe11-c88b-ed78-2814-36fed11c1f27@comcast.net>
References: <fb2f308e0fd504f7c110d5138056ab503dcfdb19@webmail>
 <809f462c-de7a-d7e8-c6ca-07afeb526e11@comcast.net>
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Assuming that you have confirmed that the bleed off hole in the operating
valve is not blocked, something to try would be to remove the operating
valve plug (cautiously) while the unit is stuck in overdrive.
This would determine if the problem was being caused by residual oil
pressure or a mechanical fault.
If the overdrive does not slip whilst disengaged it's very unlikely that
there is anything wrong with the 8 clutch springs.
Incidentally I have rebuilt dozens of "A" type overdrive units and have
never encountered the need to replace those 8 springs.

M

On Sun., Aug. 13, 2023, 1:33 a.m. Bob Spidell, <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

> Two possible causes of this that I can think of:
>
> 1) O/D clutch is so worn it becomes jammed together (FWIW my BJ8's clutch
> was still serviceable at 205K miles)
> 2) something is preventing pressure on the operating pistons from bleeding
> down; not sure how this would happen, hopefully someone will chime in
>
> bs
>
>
> On 8/12/2023 2:19 PM, David Wirken wrote:
>
> Now that we are on the OD topic, I have a Healey 100 whose OD
> won't disengage after I switch it off, it's not an electrical problem and
> I'm really cautious about not putting the transmission in reverse. The only
> way I can release it is to rock the car back and forth in neutral until it
> pops out .
> It's probably time to rebuild, I presume.
>
> Any thoughts would be appreciated
>
> DW
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 11:11?PM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> re: "... The health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive
>> is important to keep the clutch from slipping...."
>>
>> I believe the shop manual admonishes owners to replace these when
>> overhauling the unit, even if the old ones look and feel fine (some say
>> not so). I think my old ones are in a box on a shelf somewhere if
>> anybody wants them.
>>
>> Note the O/D pump is a positive displacement pump that will continue to
>> produce pressure--driven by the full power of the engine--unless there
>> is a pressure relief mechanism.
>>
>>
>> On 8/11/2023 10:34 AM, Hank Leach via Healeys wrote:
>> > Guys-this is a very lively topic and one of sometimes great mystery
>> > and confusion.  The unit is complex but the end result is working well
>> > or not functioning at all.
>> >
>> > On the subject of pressure required to operate the shift into
>> > overdrive there are many schools of thought. Some people replace or
>> > stretch springs or add washers to increase the pressure needed. The
>> > health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive is
>> > important to keep the clutch from slipping.  The pressure supplied to
>> > overcome the strength of these 8 spring , and effect overdrive, relies
>> > on adequate hydraulic pressure. The change from direct to overdrive
>> > needs to be smooth, not harsh, and if pressures are high the unit will
>> > snap into and out of OD rather than the smooth interchange we are used
>> > to while driving.
>> >
>> > When applied to the Austin Healey 100, the Laycock overdrive was
>> > initially a 32% reduction unit. It was soon found out in these early
>> > Warwick cars that 32% was too much reduction.  DHMC swapped units
>> > three times in the original DMH tour car until they finally found a
>> > combination that produced the smooth shift and complimentary gearing
>> > desired.
>> >
>> > It is difficult, today, to find any information on this original 32%
>> > gearbox, however if you examine the booklet (attached) supplied by
>> > Laycock for the early cars, you will notice that the casting allowed
>> > for a large accumulator piston (seen on p6 in brochure). After some
>> > research and modified engineering, the company came up with this alloy
>> > "sleeve" called the piston housing (photo) which partially filled the
>> > chamber of the original large accumulator casting and allowed for a
>> > smaller accumulator piston that we see in all the later 28% reduction
>> > units. That size piston, in proper condition, produced from 350-450
>> > lbs of needed hydraulic pressure to overcome the springs influence.
>> >
>> > I'm confident that the remark made by Geoff Healey in his writings
>> > about the early transmissions "harsh shifting" revolved around this
>> > huge accumulator piston producing too much pressure. Additionally,
>> > there were three various accumulator springs supplied which adjusted
>> > the pressure. The early boxes produced about 350lbs and the later
>> > about 450.
>> >
>> > Today, Overdrive Spares supplies that sleeve housing with only one
>> > rubber O-ring as it is basically a filler part and not under extreme
>> > pressure. The accumulator piston within is under that pressure. They
>> > supply a modified piston using O-ring technology. So, it is not
>> > unusual to get good pressures over the normal 450 lbs required. If it
>> > works well don't fix it.  The only concern is if the pressure does not
>> > release when overdrive is not called for. A clean unit, with proper
>> > 30W oil, will allow that to happen. All this some old theory and
>> > history to ponder. Hank
>> >
>>
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From fsufan1952 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 13 07:15:10 2023
From: fsufan1952 at yahoo.com (fsufan1952 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 09:15:10 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] High clutch
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My 65 BJ8 clutch catches after I depress the pedal about 1 to 2 inches from the rest position . I?ve replaced the clutch master cylinder and the slave cylinder. And I?ve bled the system . There?s. No slipping of the clutch . Car has 60,000 on it with I?m sure the original clutch. Is there any way to make it catch more mid way when I depress the pedal?  I know there are no threaded rods on either the pedal box or at the transmission end . Maybe a different length rod coming out of the slave cylinder? 
       Thanks , Don 

Sent from my iPhone

From dmw at wirkenphoto.com  Sun Aug 13 09:24:36 2023
From: dmw at wirkenphoto.com (David Wirken)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 10:24:36 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive
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Thanks for the advice, I have verified the small hole in the valve is not
obstructed and I have increased the hole up one size larger as advised by
another mechanic. I will remove the valve as suggested to verify it's not
pressure locking it engaged.

DW

On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 6:01?AM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Assuming that you have confirmed that the bleed off hole in the operating
> valve is not blocked, something to try would be to remove the operating
> valve plug (cautiously) while the unit is stuck in overdrive.
> This would determine if the problem was being caused by residual oil
> pressure or a mechanical fault.
> If the overdrive does not slip whilst disengaged it's very unlikely that
> there is anything wrong with the 8 clutch springs.
> Incidentally I have rebuilt dozens of "A" type overdrive units and have
> never encountered the need to replace those 8 springs.
>
> M
>
> On Sun., Aug. 13, 2023, 1:33 a.m. Bob Spidell, <bspidell at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Two possible causes of this that I can think of:
>>
>> 1) O/D clutch is so worn it becomes jammed together (FWIW my BJ8's clutch
>> was still serviceable at 205K miles)
>> 2) something is preventing pressure on the operating pistons from
>> bleeding down; not sure how this would happen, hopefully someone will chime
>> in
>>
>> bs
>>
>>
>> On 8/12/2023 2:19 PM, David Wirken wrote:
>>
>> Now that we are on the OD topic, I have a Healey 100 whose OD
>> won't disengage after I switch it off, it's not an electrical problem and
>> I'm really cautious about not putting the transmission in reverse. The only
>> way I can release it is to rock the car back and forth in neutral until it
>> pops out .
>> It's probably time to rebuild, I presume.
>>
>> Any thoughts would be appreciated
>>
>> DW
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 11:11?PM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> re: "... The health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive
>>> is important to keep the clutch from slipping...."
>>>
>>> I believe the shop manual admonishes owners to replace these when
>>> overhauling the unit, even if the old ones look and feel fine (some say
>>> not so). I think my old ones are in a box on a shelf somewhere if
>>> anybody wants them.
>>>
>>> Note the O/D pump is a positive displacement pump that will continue to
>>> produce pressure--driven by the full power of the engine--unless there
>>> is a pressure relief mechanism.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/11/2023 10:34 AM, Hank Leach via Healeys wrote:
>>> > Guys-this is a very lively topic and one of sometimes great mystery
>>> > and confusion.  The unit is complex but the end result is working well
>>> > or not functioning at all.
>>> >
>>> > On the subject of pressure required to operate the shift into
>>> > overdrive there are many schools of thought. Some people replace or
>>> > stretch springs or add washers to increase the pressure needed. The
>>> > health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive is
>>> > important to keep the clutch from slipping.  The pressure supplied to
>>> > overcome the strength of these 8 spring , and effect overdrive, relies
>>> > on adequate hydraulic pressure. The change from direct to overdrive
>>> > needs to be smooth, not harsh, and if pressures are high the unit will
>>> > snap into and out of OD rather than the smooth interchange we are used
>>> > to while driving.
>>> >
>>> > When applied to the Austin Healey 100, the Laycock overdrive was
>>> > initially a 32% reduction unit. It was soon found out in these early
>>> > Warwick cars that 32% was too much reduction.  DHMC swapped units
>>> > three times in the original DMH tour car until they finally found a
>>> > combination that produced the smooth shift and complimentary gearing
>>> > desired.
>>> >
>>> > It is difficult, today, to find any information on this original 32%
>>> > gearbox, however if you examine the booklet (attached) supplied by
>>> > Laycock for the early cars, you will notice that the casting allowed
>>> > for a large accumulator piston (seen on p6 in brochure). After some
>>> > research and modified engineering, the company came up with this alloy
>>> > "sleeve" called the piston housing (photo) which partially filled the
>>> > chamber of the original large accumulator casting and allowed for a
>>> > smaller accumulator piston that we see in all the later 28% reduction
>>> > units. That size piston, in proper condition, produced from 350-450
>>> > lbs of needed hydraulic pressure to overcome the springs influence.
>>> >
>>> > I'm confident that the remark made by Geoff Healey in his writings
>>> > about the early transmissions "harsh shifting" revolved around this
>>> > huge accumulator piston producing too much pressure. Additionally,
>>> > there were three various accumulator springs supplied which adjusted
>>> > the pressure. The early boxes produced about 350lbs and the later
>>> > about 450.
>>> >
>>> > Today, Overdrive Spares supplies that sleeve housing with only one
>>> > rubber O-ring as it is basically a filler part and not under extreme
>>> > pressure. The accumulator piston within is under that pressure. They
>>> > supply a modified piston using O-ring technology. So, it is not
>>> > unusual to get good pressures over the normal 450 lbs required. If it
>>> > works well don't fix it.  The only concern is if the pressure does not
>>> > release when overdrive is not called for. A clean unit, with proper
>>> > 30W oil, will allow that to happen. All this some old theory and
>>> > history to ponder. Hank
>>> >
>>>
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Sun Aug 13 09:52:04 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 11:52:04 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive
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Re: "Yes, springs wear out."
Correctly designed, manufactured and installed springs don't wear out.
Very occasionally they will suffer from fatigue cracking but that is rare
and a function of poor design.
Think valve springs or distributor point springs; millions and millions of
cycles and still as good as the day they were installed.

M


On Sat., Aug. 12, 2023, 2:25 p.m. Hank Leach via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Bob-good point.  I just got a set of springs from Moss (from OD Spares in
> UK, I imagine). The cost was $99 or about $12/spring which in the scope of
> things is really not relevant. Holding that clutch in tight contact to the
> brake ring is paramount and just imagine the number of miles in direct
> drive that the car has experienced...many at high RPM. The other side of
> the brake for overdrive position is the "lazy side" as the operating
> pistons under hydraulic pressure have plenty of clout driving mostly steady
> RPMs. Yes, springs wear out.
>
> I place them on the bench and line up the lengths. They should measure
> 4-1/2" for the long springs and 4-1/4" for the short ones but invariably
> there is differences in the resting length. After 50+ years of pushing you
> would tend to get tired. When in overdrive, the springs are greatly
> depressed.  That is asking a lot for spiral metal to accomplish. So, yes
> they may look good, but have poor stamina-oops, I just describe all of us.
> Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
> From: "Bob Spidell"
> To: healeys at autox.team.net
> Cc:
> Sent: Friday August 11 2023 9:19:34PM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive
>
> re: "... The health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive
> is important to keep the clutch from slipping...."
>
> I believe the shop manual admonishes owners to replace these when
> overhauling the unit, even if the old ones look and feel fine (some say
> not so). I think my old ones are in a box on a shelf somewhere if
> anybody wants them.
>
> Note the O/D pump is a positive displacement pump that will continue to
> produce pressure--driven by the full power of the engine--unless there
> is a pressure relief mechanism.
>
>
> On 8/11/2023 10:34 AM, Hank Leach via Healeys wrote:
> > Guys-this is a very lively topic and one of sometimes great mystery
> > and confusion.  The unit is complex but the end result is working well
> > or not functioning at all.
> >
> > On the subject of pressure required to operate the shift into
> > overdrive there are many schools of thought. Some people replace or
> > stretch springs or add washers to increase the pressure needed. The
> > health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive is
> > important to keep the clutch from slipping.  The pressure supplied to
> > overcome the strength of these 8 spring , and effect overdrive, relies
> > on adequate hydraulic pressure. The change from direct to overdrive
> > needs to be smooth, not harsh, and if pressures are high the unit will
> > snap into and out of OD rather than the smooth interchange we are used
> > to while driving.
> >
> > When applied to the Austin Healey 100, the Laycock overdrive was
> > initially a 32% reduction unit. It was soon found out in these early
> > Warwick cars that 32% was too much reduction.  DHMC swapped units
> > three times in the original DMH tour car until they finally found a
> > combination that produced the smooth shift and complimentary gearing
> > desired.
> >
> > It is difficult, today, to find any information on this original 32%
> > gearbox, however if you examine the booklet (attached) supplied by
> > Laycock for the early cars, you will notice that the casting allowed
> > for a large accumulator piston (seen on p6 in brochure). After some
> > research and modified engineering, the company came up with this alloy
> > "sleeve" called the piston housing (photo) which partially filled the
> > chamber of the original large accumulator casting and allowed for a
> > smaller accumulator piston that we see in all the later 28% reduction
> > units. That size piston, in proper condition, produced from 350-450
> > lbs of needed hydraulic pressure to overcome the springs influence.
> >
> > I'm confident that the remark made by Geoff Healey in his writings
> > about the early transmissions "harsh shifting" revolved around this
> > huge accumulator piston producing too much pressure. Additionally,
> > there were three various accumulator springs supplied which adjusted
> > the pressure. The early boxes produced about 350lbs and the later
> > about 450.
> >
> > Today, Overdrive Spares supplies that sleeve housing with only one
> > rubber O-ring as it is basically a filler part and not under extreme
> > pressure. The accumulator piston within is under that pressure. They
> > supply a modified piston using O-ring technology. So, it is not
> > unusual to get good pressures over the normal 450 lbs required. If it
> > works well don't fix it.  The only concern is if the pressure does not
> > release when overdrive is not called for. A clean unit, with proper
> > 30W oil, will allow that to happen. All this some old theory and
> > history to ponder. Hank
> >
>
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From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 12:45:35 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive
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Re: I think the fact Laycock went from steel rings on the operating pistons
to O-rings is telling.
I would think that that was a cost cutting measure.



On Sat., Aug. 12, 2023, 7:34 p.m. Bob Spidell via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I think the fact Laycock went from steel rings on the operating pistons to
> O-rings is telling. Both will wear, but the steel rings will score the
> cylinder.
>
>
> On 8/12/2023 9:40 AM, Hank Leach wrote:
>
> Bob-good point.  I just got a set of springs from Moss (from OD Spares in
> UK, I imagine). The cost was $99 or about $12/spring which in the scope of
> things is really not relevant. Holding that clutch in tight contact to the
> brake ring is paramount and just imagine the number of miles in direct
> drive that the car has experienced...many at high RPM. The other side of
> the brake for overdrive position is the "lazy side" as the operating
> pistons under hydraulic pressure have plenty of clout driving mostly steady
> RPMs. Yes, springs wear out.
>
> I place them on the bench and line up the lengths. They should measure
> 4-1/2" for the long springs and 4-1/4" for the short ones but invariably
> there is differences in the resting length. After 50+ years of pushing you
> would tend to get tired. When in overdrive, the springs are greatly
> depressed.  That is asking a lot for spiral metal to accomplish. So, yes
> they may look good, but have poor stamina-oops, I just describe all of us.
> Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
> From: "Bob Spidell"
> To: healeys at autox.team.net
> Cc:
> Sent: Friday August 11 2023 9:19:34PM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive
>
> re: "... The health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive
> is important to keep the clutch from slipping...."
>
> I believe the shop manual admonishes owners to replace these when
> overhauling the unit, even if the old ones look and feel fine (some say
> not so). I think my old ones are in a box on a shelf somewhere if
> anybody wants them.
>
> Note the O/D pump is a positive displacement pump that will continue to
> produce pressure--driven by the full power of the engine--unless there
> is a pressure relief mechanism.
>
>
> On 8/11/2023 10:34 AM, Hank Leach via Healeys wrote:
> > Guys-this is a very lively topic and one of sometimes great mystery
> > and confusion.  The unit is complex but the end result is working well
> > or not functioning at all.
> >
> > On the subject of pressure required to operate the shift into
> > overdrive there are many schools of thought. Some people replace or
> > stretch springs or add washers to increase the pressure needed. The
> > health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive is
> > important to keep the clutch from slipping.  The pressure supplied to
> > overcome the strength of these 8 spring , and effect overdrive, relies
> > on adequate hydraulic pressure. The change from direct to overdrive
> > needs to be smooth, not harsh, and if pressures are high the unit will
> > snap into and out of OD rather than the smooth interchange we are used
> > to while driving.
> >
> > When applied to the Austin Healey 100, the Laycock overdrive was
> > initially a 32% reduction unit. It was soon found out in these early
> > Warwick cars that 32% was too much reduction.  DHMC swapped units
> > three times in the original DMH tour car until they finally found a
> > combination that produced the smooth shift and complimentary gearing
> > desired.
> >
> > It is difficult, today, to find any information on this original 32%
> > gearbox, however if you examine the booklet (attached) supplied by
> > Laycock for the early cars, you will notice that the casting allowed
> > for a large accumulator piston (seen on p6 in brochure). After some
> > research and modified engineering, the company came up with this alloy
> > "sleeve" called the piston housing (photo) which partially filled the
> > chamber of the original large accumulator casting and allowed for a
> > smaller accumulator piston that we see in all the later 28% reduction
> > units. That size piston, in proper condition, produced from 350-450
> > lbs of needed hydraulic pressure to overcome the springs influence.
> >
> > I'm confident that the remark made by Geoff Healey in his writings
> > about the early transmissions "harsh shifting" revolved around this
> > huge accumulator piston producing too much pressure. Additionally,
> > there were three various accumulator springs supplied which adjusted
> > the pressure. The early boxes produced about 350lbs and the later
> > about 450.
> >
> > Today, Overdrive Spares supplies that sleeve housing with only one
> > rubber O-ring as it is basically a filler part and not under extreme
> > pressure. The accumulator piston within is under that pressure. They
> > supply a modified piston using O-ring technology. So, it is not
> > unusual to get good pressures over the normal 450 lbs required. If it
> > works well don't fix it.  The only concern is if the pressure does not
> > release when overdrive is not called for. A clean unit, with proper
> > 30W oil, will allow that to happen. All this some old theory and
> > history to ponder. Hank
>
>
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From gradea1 at charter.net  Sun Aug 13 10:46:10 2023
From: gradea1 at charter.net (Hank Leach)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 16:46:10 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] High clutch
Message-ID: <66f9cad77cfb3d082b57c21c0b4e4f9d92c885b6@webmail>

Don-I would look into this (photos) as a possible cause of your sloppy
clutch. It is possible that both the "eyes" of the clutch master and
slave cylinder rods are worn to egg shaped and the clevis flattened.
The rod is the sacrificial item so more than likely that is the
culprit after 60K miles of push and shove. Yes, unlike the brake
master, there is no rod adjustment. Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: "Don via Healeys" 
To: "healey list"
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday August 13 2023 6:58:55AM
Subject: [Healeys] High clutch

 My 65 BJ8 clutch catches after I depress the pedal about 1 to 2
inches from the rest position . I?ve replaced the clutch master
cylinder and the slave cylinder. And I?ve bled the system .
There?s. No slipping of the clutch . Car has 60,000 on it with I?m
sure the original clutch. Is there any way to make it catch more mid
way when I depress the pedal? I know there are no threaded rods on
either the pedal box or at the transmission end . Maybe a different
length rod coming out of the slave cylinder?
 Thanks , Don

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From gradea1 at charter.net  Sun Aug 13 11:00:09 2023
From: gradea1 at charter.net (Hank Leach)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 17:00:09 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive
Message-ID: <4a3e707f357de63301cb95923e4bf86a8c8b009a@webmail>

Guys-my thought on that is agreeing with both of you and additionally
I think the procedure for replacing the steel rings is very delicate
and wasteful; if not careful, the rings will shatter. Slipping on an
o-ring is much easier and less abrasive to the soft alloy body.
To me, the biggest "cost cutting measure" was by making the alloy
sleeve for the smaller accumulator piston, they salvaged many
on-the-shelf early castings and did not have to modify the future
molding of them to make the piston area smaller. Only the Laycock
engineers could explain it now...from the grave. 
A couple of reasons to replace the 8 springs: they do not measure up,
or if installed improperly, when previously rebuilt, coil bound (bent)
Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: "Michael Salter" 
To: "Bob Spidell"
Cc: "Hank Leach", "healeys at autox.team.net"
Sent: Sunday August 13 2023 9:45:48AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive

  Re: I think the fact Laycock went from steel rings on the operating
pistons to O-rings is telling  I would think that that was a cost
cutting measure. 

 On Sat., Aug. 12, 2023, 7:34 p.m. Bob Spidell via Healeys,  wrote:
  I think the fact Laycock went from steel rings on the operating
pistons to O-rings is telling. Both will wear, but the steel rings
will score the cylinder.

On 8/12/2023 9:40 AM, Hank Leach wrote:
 Bob-good point. I just got a set of springs from Moss (from OD Spares
in UK, I imagine) The cost was $99 or about $12/spring which in the
scope of things is really not relevant. Holding that clutch in tight
contact to the brake ring is paramount and just imagine the number of
miles in direct drive that the car has experienced...many at high RPM.
The other side of the brake for overdrive position is the "lazy side"
as the operating pistons under hydraulic pressure have plenty of clout
driving mostly steady RPMs. Yes, springs wear out. 
 I place them on the bench and line up the lengths. They should
measure 4-1/2" for the long springs and 4-1/4" for the short ones but
invariably there is differences in the resting length. After 50+ years
of pushing you would tend to get tired. When in overdrive, the springs
are greatly depressed. That is asking a lot for spiral metal to
accomplish. So, yes they may look good, but have poor stamina-oops, I
just describe all of us. Hank

	----------------------------------------- From: "Bob Spidell"
 To: healeys at autox.team.net
 Cc:
 Sent: Friday August 11 2023 9:19:34PM
 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive

 re: "... The health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct
drive
 is important to keep the clutch from slipping...."

 I believe the shop manual admonishes owners to replace these when
 overhauling the unit, even if the old ones look and feel fine (some
say
 not so). I think my old ones are in a box on a shelf somewhere if
 anybody wants them.

 Note the O/D pump is a positive displacement pump that will continue
to
 produce pressure--driven by the full power of the engine--unless
there
 is a pressure relief mechanism.

 On 8/11/2023 10:34 AM, Hank Leach via Healeys wrote:
 > Guys-this is a very lively topic and one of sometimes great mystery
 > and confusion. The unit is complex but the end result is working
well
 > or not functioning at all.
 >
 > On the subject of pressure required to operate the shift into
 > overdrive there are many schools of thought. Some people replace or
 > stretch springs or add washers to increase the pressure needed. The
 > health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive is
 > important to keep the clutch from slipping. The pressure supplied
to
 > overcome the strength of these 8 spring , and effect overdrive,
relies
 > on adequate hydraulic pressure. The change from direct to overdrive
 > needs to be smooth, not harsh, and if pressures are high the unit
will
 > snap into and out of OD rather than the smooth interchange we are
used
 > to while driving.
 >
 > When applied to the Austin Healey 100, the Laycock overdrive was
 > initially a 32% reduction unit. It was soon found out in these
early
 > Warwick cars that 32% was too much reduction. DHMC swapped units
 > three times in the original DMH tour car until they finally found a
 > combination that produced the smooth shift and complimentary
gearing
 > desired.
 >
 > It is difficult, today, to find any information on this original
32%
 > gearbox, however if you examine the booklet (attached) supplied by
 > Laycock for the early cars, you will notice that the casting
allowed
 > for a large accumulator piston (seen on p6 in brochure). After some
 > research and modified engineering, the company came up with this
alloy
 > "sleeve" called the piston housing (photo) which partially filled
the
 > chamber of the original large accumulator casting and allowed for a
 > smaller accumulator piston that we see in all the later 28%
reduction
 > units. That size piston, in proper condition, produced from 350-450
 > lbs of needed hydraulic pressure to overcome the springs influence.
 >
 > I'm confident that the remark made by Geoff Healey in his writings
 > about the early transmissions "harsh shifting" revolved around this
 > huge accumulator piston producing too much pressure. Additionally,
 > there were three various accumulator springs supplied which
adjusted
 > the pressure. The early boxes produced about 350lbs and the later
 > about 450.
 >
 > Today, Overdrive Spares supplies that sleeve housing with only one
 > rubber O-ring as it is basically a filler part and not under
extreme
 > pressure. The accumulator piston within is under that pressure.
They
 > supply a modified piston using O-ring technology. So, it is not
 > unusual to get good pressures over the normal 450 lbs required. If
it
 > works well don't fix it. The only concern is if the pressure does
not
 > release when overdrive is not called for. A clean unit, with proper
 > 30W oil, will allow that to happen. All this some old theory and
 > history to ponder. Hank

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From roggrace at telus.net  Sun Aug 13 11:03:21 2023
From: roggrace at telus.net (Roger Grace)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 10:03:21 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive
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Yes totally agree that hi carbon spring steel does not age if not abused.
Having said that, it would be good practice to compare free lenghts against
a known good quality one

Found this on a spring manufacturers site.

*The first question is ?could a spring last forever?? and the answer is
yes, it could do if*

   - *The operating stresses are not too high*
   - *The working temperature does not cause the spring to lose too much
   load*
   - *The environment does not cause corrosion*
   - *The spring is not abused*
   - *The spring is well-made and free from imperfections.*

*If a spring meets the above requirements, yes it could potentially last
forever!*

rg

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On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 9:40?AM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Re: "Yes, springs wear out."
> Correctly designed, manufactured and installed springs don't wear out.
> Very occasionally they will suffer from fatigue cracking but that is rare
> and a function of poor design.
> Think valve springs or distributor point springs; millions and millions of
> cycles and still as good as the day they were installed.
>
> M
>
>
> On Sat., Aug. 12, 2023, 2:25 p.m. Hank Leach via Healeys, <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Bob-good point.  I just got a set of springs from Moss (from OD Spares in
>> UK, I imagine). The cost was $99 or about $12/spring which in the scope of
>> things is really not relevant. Holding that clutch in tight contact to the
>> brake ring is paramount and just imagine the number of miles in direct
>> drive that the car has experienced...many at high RPM. The other side of
>> the brake for overdrive position is the "lazy side" as the operating
>> pistons under hydraulic pressure have plenty of clout driving mostly steady
>> RPMs. Yes, springs wear out.
>>
>> I place them on the bench and line up the lengths. They should measure
>> 4-1/2" for the long springs and 4-1/4" for the short ones but invariably
>> there is differences in the resting length. After 50+ years of pushing you
>> would tend to get tired. When in overdrive, the springs are greatly
>> depressed.  That is asking a lot for spiral metal to accomplish. So, yes
>> they may look good, but have poor stamina-oops, I just describe all of us.
>> Hank
>>
>> -----------------------------------------
>> From: "Bob Spidell"
>> To: healeys at autox.team.net
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Friday August 11 2023 9:19:34PM
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive
>>
>> re: "... The health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive
>> is important to keep the clutch from slipping...."
>>
>> I believe the shop manual admonishes owners to replace these when
>> overhauling the unit, even if the old ones look and feel fine (some say
>> not so). I think my old ones are in a box on a shelf somewhere if
>> anybody wants them.
>>
>> Note the O/D pump is a positive displacement pump that will continue to
>> produce pressure--driven by the full power of the engine--unless there
>> is a pressure relief mechanism.
>>
>>
>> On 8/11/2023 10:34 AM, Hank Leach via Healeys wrote:
>> > Guys-this is a very lively topic and one of sometimes great mystery
>> > and confusion.  The unit is complex but the end result is working well
>> > or not functioning at all.
>> >
>> > On the subject of pressure required to operate the shift into
>> > overdrive there are many schools of thought. Some people replace or
>> > stretch springs or add washers to increase the pressure needed. The
>> > health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive is
>> > important to keep the clutch from slipping.  The pressure supplied to
>> > overcome the strength of these 8 spring , and effect overdrive, relies
>> > on adequate hydraulic pressure. The change from direct to overdrive
>> > needs to be smooth, not harsh, and if pressures are high the unit will
>> > snap into and out of OD rather than the smooth interchange we are used
>> > to while driving.
>> >
>> > When applied to the Austin Healey 100, the Laycock overdrive was
>> > initially a 32% reduction unit. It was soon found out in these early
>> > Warwick cars that 32% was too much reduction.  DHMC swapped units
>> > three times in the original DMH tour car until they finally found a
>> > combination that produced the smooth shift and complimentary gearing
>> > desired.
>> >
>> > It is difficult, today, to find any information on this original 32%
>> > gearbox, however if you examine the booklet (attached) supplied by
>> > Laycock for the early cars, you will notice that the casting allowed
>> > for a large accumulator piston (seen on p6 in brochure). After some
>> > research and modified engineering, the company came up with this alloy
>> > "sleeve" called the piston housing (photo) which partially filled the
>> > chamber of the original large accumulator casting and allowed for a
>> > smaller accumulator piston that we see in all the later 28% reduction
>> > units. That size piston, in proper condition, produced from 350-450
>> > lbs of needed hydraulic pressure to overcome the springs influence.
>> >
>> > I'm confident that the remark made by Geoff Healey in his writings
>> > about the early transmissions "harsh shifting" revolved around this
>> > huge accumulator piston producing too much pressure. Additionally,
>> > there were three various accumulator springs supplied which adjusted
>> > the pressure. The early boxes produced about 350lbs and the later
>> > about 450.
>> >
>> > Today, Overdrive Spares supplies that sleeve housing with only one
>> > rubber O-ring as it is basically a filler part and not under extreme
>> > pressure. The accumulator piston within is under that pressure. They
>> > supply a modified piston using O-ring technology. So, it is not
>> > unusual to get good pressures over the normal 450 lbs required. If it
>> > works well don't fix it.  The only concern is if the pressure does not
>> > release when overdrive is not called for. A clean unit, with proper
>> > 30W oil, will allow that to happen. All this some old theory and
>> > history to ponder. Hank
>> >
>>
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Sun Aug 13 11:45:16 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 13:45:16 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] High clutch
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As long as you are sure that when the clutch is engaged (pedal up) there is
clearance at both the slave and master cylinder clevices (clevi?) you could
introduce a little air into the system (open the bleed screw and blow a
small amount in) to lower the engagement point.

M

On Sun., Aug. 13, 2023, 9:46 a.m. Don via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> My 65 BJ8 clutch catches after I depress the pedal about 1 to 2 inches
> from the rest position . I?ve replaced the clutch master cylinder and the
> slave cylinder. And I?ve bled the system . There?s. No slipping of the
> clutch . Car has 60,000 on it with I?m sure the original clutch. Is there
> any way to make it catch more mid way when I depress the pedal?  I know
> there are no threaded rods on either the pedal box or at the transmission
> end . Maybe a different length rod coming out of the slave cylinder?
>        Thanks , Don
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From warthodson at aol.com  Sun Aug 13 12:01:15 2023
From: warthodson at aol.com (warthodson at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 18:01:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive
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 That was my thought, too.Gary
    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:32:36 PM CDT, Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Re: I think the fact Laycock went from steel rings on the operating pistons to O-rings is telling.?I would think that that was a cost cutting measure.?



On Sat., Aug. 12, 2023, 7:34 p.m. Bob Spidell via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

  I think the fact Laycock went from steel rings on the operating pistons to O-rings is telling. Both will wear, but the steel rings will score the cylinder.
 
 
 On 8/12/2023 9:40 AM, Hank Leach wrote:
  
 Bob-good point.? I just got a set of springs from Moss (from OD Spares in UK, I imagine). The cost was $99 or about $12/spring which in the scope of things is really not relevant. Holding that clutch in tight contact to the brake ring is paramount and just imagine the number of miles in direct drive that the car has experienced...many at high RPM. The other side of the brake for overdrive position is the "lazy side" as the operating pistons under hydraulic pressure have plenty of clout driving mostly steady RPMs. Yes, springs wear out. 
  I place them on the bench and line up the lengths. They should measure 4-1/2" for the long springs and 4-1/4" for the short ones but invariably there is differences in the resting length. After 50+ years of pushing you would tend to get tired. When in overdrive, the springs are greatly depressed.? That is asking a lot for spiral metal to accomplish. So, yes they may look good, but have poor stamina-oops, I just describe all of us. Hank
 
 
-----------------------------------------
 From: "Bob Spidell" 
 To: healeys at autox.team.net
 Cc: 
 Sent: Friday August 11 2023 9:19:34PM
 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive
 
 re: "... The health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive
 is important to keep the clutch from slipping...."
 
 I believe the shop manual admonishes owners to replace these when
 overhauling the unit, even if the old ones look and feel fine (some say
 not so). I think my old ones are in a box on a shelf somewhere if
 anybody wants them.
 
 Note the O/D pump is a positive displacement pump that will continue to
 produce pressure--driven by the full power of the engine--unless there
 is a pressure relief mechanism.
 
 
 On 8/11/2023 10:34 AM, Hank Leach via Healeys wrote:
 > Guys-this is a very lively topic and one of sometimes great mystery
 > and confusion.? The unit is complex but the end result is working well
 > or not functioning at all.
 >
 > On the subject of pressure required to operate the shift into
 > overdrive there are many schools of thought. Some people replace or
 > stretch springs or add washers to increase the pressure needed. The
 > health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive is
 > important to keep the clutch from slipping.? The pressure supplied to
 > overcome the strength of these 8 spring , and effect overdrive, relies
 > on adequate hydraulic pressure. The change from direct to overdrive
 > needs to be smooth, not harsh, and if pressures are high the unit will
 > snap into and out of OD rather than the smooth interchange we are used
 > to while driving.
 >
 > When applied to the Austin Healey 100, the Laycock overdrive was
 > initially a 32% reduction unit. It was soon found out in these early
 > Warwick cars that 32% was too much reduction.? DHMC swapped units
 > three times in the original DMH tour car until they finally found a
 > combination that produced the smooth shift and complimentary gearing
 > desired.
 >
 > It is difficult, today, to find any information on this original 32%
 > gearbox, however if you examine the booklet (attached) supplied by
 > Laycock for the early cars, you will notice that the casting allowed
 > for a large accumulator piston (seen on p6 in brochure). After some
 > research and modified engineering, the company came up with this alloy
 > "sleeve" called the piston housing (photo) which partially filled the
 > chamber of the original large accumulator casting and allowed for a
 > smaller accumulator piston that we see in all the later 28% reduction
 > units. That size piston, in proper condition, produced from 350-450
 > lbs of needed hydraulic pressure to overcome the springs influence.
 >
 > I'm confident that the remark made by Geoff Healey in his writings
 > about the early transmissions "harsh shifting" revolved around this
 > huge accumulator piston producing too much pressure. Additionally,
 > there were three various accumulator springs supplied which adjusted
 > the pressure. The early boxes produced about 350lbs and the later
 > about 450.
 >
 > Today, Overdrive Spares supplies that sleeve housing with only one
 > rubber O-ring as it is basically a filler part and not under extreme
 > pressure. The accumulator piston within is under that pressure. They
 > supply a modified piston using O-ring technology. So, it is not
 > unusual to get good pressures over the normal 450 lbs required. If it
 > works well don't fix it.? The only concern is if the pressure does not
 > release when overdrive is not called for. A clean unit, with proper
 > 30W oil, will allow that to happen. All this some old theory and
 > history to ponder. Hank
  
 
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From gradea1 at charter.net  Sun Aug 13 14:35:26 2023
From: gradea1 at charter.net (Hank Leach)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 20:35:26 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] High clutch
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OK the other point of wear is the clevis holding the clutch pedal in
the footwell. New rods were exact replacement? One other point of
"adjustment" are the shims behind the clutch master. Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: fsufan1952 at yahoo.com
To: "Hank Leach"
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday August 13 2023 11:30:34AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] High clutch

 Thanks Hank  Both the clutch rod and the slave cylinder rods are both
new ,   Don 

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On Aug 13, 2023, at 12:46 PM, Hank Leach  wrote:

   ?Don-I would look into this (photos) as a possible cause of your
sloppy clutch. It is possible that both the "eyes" of the clutch
master and slave cylinder rods are worn to egg shaped and the clevis
flattened. The rod is the sacrificial item so more than likely that is
the culprit after 60K miles of push and shove. Yes, unlike the brake
master, there is no rod adjustment. Hank

	----------------------------------------- From: "Don via Healeys"
 To: "healey list"
 Cc:
 Sent: Sunday August 13 2023 6:58:55AM
 Subject: [Healeys] High clutch

 My 65 BJ8 clutch catches after I depress the pedal about 1 to 2
inches from the rest position . I?ve replaced the clutch master
cylinder and the slave cylinder. And I?ve bled the system .
There?s. No slipping of the clutch . Car has 60,000 on it with I?m
sure the original clutch. Is there any way to make it catch more mid
way when I depress the pedal? I know there are no threaded rods on
either the pedal box or at the transmission end . Maybe a different
length rod coming out of the slave cylinder?
 Thanks , Don

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From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 13 14:35:27 2023
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 13:35:27 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Stanchion
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Does the 100 windshield stanchion have any type of gasket material that
sits between the stanchion foot and the paint?
Mike MacLean
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Sun Aug 13 16:31:39 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 18:31:39 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] High clutch
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Thinking more about your clutch issue. Your description of symptoms has me
confused.
Am I correct in assuming that what you are experiencing is that the clutch
starts to release (slip) after depressing the clutch pedal only a small
distance this being 1 - 2 inches from its normal (undepressed) position?

M

On Sun., Aug. 13, 2023, 9:46 a.m. Don via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> My 65 BJ8 clutch catches after I depress the pedal about 1 to 2 inches
> from the rest position . I?ve replaced the clutch master cylinder and the
> slave cylinder. And I?ve bled the system . There?s. No slipping of the
> clutch . Car has 60,000 on it with I?m sure the original clutch. Is there
> any way to make it catch more mid way when I depress the pedal?  I know
> there are no threaded rods on either the pedal box or at the transmission
> end . Maybe a different length rod coming out of the slave cylinder?
>        Thanks , Don
>
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From rd_parker at juno.com  Sun Aug 13 17:11:31 2023
From: rd_parker at juno.com (Robert Parker)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 16:11:31 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive
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Generally speaking, if a spring load is such that it?s design fatigue yield stress is not badly jeopardize, it can almost last indefinitely. However, practically speaking, does anything last forever? Spring design is not a simple thing, and it takes a lots of cycles to prove that a particular design can meet design life expectations. It?s extremely expensive to to do that in today?s environment. So then practically speaking, the darn things will probably go forever. Given of course that those ideas you had above, good material etc., are in force. Bob ,61BT7.

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> On Aug 13, 2023, at 12:04 PM, Roger Grace <roggrace at telus.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Yes totally agree that hi carbon spring steel does not age if not abused. 
> Having said that, it would be good practice to compare free lenghts against a known good quality one
> 
> Found this on a spring manufacturers site.
> The first question is ?could a spring last forever?? and the answer is yes, it could do if
> 
> The operating stresses are not too high
> The working temperature does not cause the spring to lose too much load
> The environment does not cause corrosion
> The spring is not abused
> The spring is well-made and free from imperfections.
> If a spring meets the above requirements, yes it could potentially last forever!
> 
> rg
> 
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>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 9:40?AM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Re: "Yes, springs wear out."
>> Correctly designed, manufactured and installed springs don't wear out.
>> Very occasionally they will suffer from fatigue cracking but that is rare and a function of poor design.
>> Think valve springs or distributor point springs; millions and millions of cycles and still as good as the day they were installed.
>> 
>> M
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat., Aug. 12, 2023, 2:25 p.m. Hank Leach via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> Bob-good point.  I just got a set of springs from Moss (from OD Spares in UK, I imagine). The cost was $99 or about $12/spring which in the scope of things is really not relevant. Holding that clutch in tight contact to the brake ring is paramount and just imagine the number of miles in direct drive that the car has experienced...many at high RPM. The other side of the brake for overdrive position is the "lazy side" as the operating pistons under hydraulic pressure have plenty of clout driving mostly steady RPMs. Yes, springs wear out.
>>> 
>>> I place them on the bench and line up the lengths. They should measure 4-1/2" for the long springs and 4-1/4" for the short ones but invariably there is differences in the resting length. After 50+ years of pushing you would tend to get tired. When in overdrive, the springs are greatly depressed.  That is asking a lot for spiral metal to accomplish. So, yes they may look good, but have poor stamina-oops, I just describe all of us. Hank
>>> 
>>> -----------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> From: "Bob Spidell" 
>>> To: healeys at autox.team.net
>>> Cc: 
>>> Sent: Friday August 11 2023 9:19:34PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Laycock overdrive
>>> 
>>> re: "... The health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive
>>> is important to keep the clutch from slipping...."
>>> 
>>> I believe the shop manual admonishes owners to replace these when
>>> overhauling the unit, even if the old ones look and feel fine (some say
>>> not so). I think my old ones are in a box on a shelf somewhere if
>>> anybody wants them.
>>> 
>>> Note the O/D pump is a positive displacement pump that will continue to
>>> produce pressure--driven by the full power of the engine--unless there
>>> is a pressure relief mechanism.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8/11/2023 10:34 AM, Hank Leach via Healeys wrote:
>>> > Guys-this is a very lively topic and one of sometimes great mystery
>>> > and confusion.  The unit is complex but the end result is working well
>>> > or not functioning at all.
>>> >
>>> > On the subject of pressure required to operate the shift into
>>> > overdrive there are many schools of thought. Some people replace or
>>> > stretch springs or add washers to increase the pressure needed. The
>>> > health of the 8 springs that keep the unit in direct drive is
>>> > important to keep the clutch from slipping.  The pressure supplied to
>>> > overcome the strength of these 8 spring , and effect overdrive, relies
>>> > on adequate hydraulic pressure. The change from direct to overdrive
>>> > needs to be smooth, not harsh, and if pressures are high the unit will
>>> > snap into and out of OD rather than the smooth interchange we are used
>>> > to while driving.
>>> >
>>> > When applied to the Austin Healey 100, the Laycock overdrive was
>>> > initially a 32% reduction unit. It was soon found out in these early
>>> > Warwick cars that 32% was too much reduction.  DHMC swapped units
>>> > three times in the original DMH tour car until they finally found a
>>> > combination that produced the smooth shift and complimentary gearing
>>> > desired.
>>> >
>>> > It is difficult, today, to find any information on this original 32%
>>> > gearbox, however if you examine the booklet (attached) supplied by
>>> > Laycock for the early cars, you will notice that the casting allowed
>>> > for a large accumulator piston (seen on p6 in brochure). After some
>>> > research and modified engineering, the company came up with this alloy
>>> > "sleeve" called the piston housing (photo) which partially filled the
>>> > chamber of the original large accumulator casting and allowed for a
>>> > smaller accumulator piston that we see in all the later 28% reduction
>>> > units. That size piston, in proper condition, produced from 350-450
>>> > lbs of needed hydraulic pressure to overcome the springs influence.
>>> >
>>> > I'm confident that the remark made by Geoff Healey in his writings
>>> > about the early transmissions "harsh shifting" revolved around this
>>> > huge accumulator piston producing too much pressure. Additionally,
>>> > there were three various accumulator springs supplied which adjusted
>>> > the pressure. The early boxes produced about 350lbs and the later
>>> > about 450.
>>> >
>>> > Today, Overdrive Spares supplies that sleeve housing with only one
>>> > rubber O-ring as it is basically a filler part and not under extreme
>>> > pressure. The accumulator piston within is under that pressure. They
>>> > supply a modified piston using O-ring technology. So, it is not
>>> > unusual to get good pressures over the normal 450 lbs required. If it
>>> > works well don't fix it.  The only concern is if the pressure does not
>>> > release when overdrive is not called for. A clean unit, with proper
>>> > 30W oil, will allow that to happen. All this some old theory and
>>> > history to ponder. Hank
>>> >
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From manifold at telus.net  Sun Aug 13 18:05:26 2023
From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 17:05:26 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] High clutch
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From roggrace at telus.net  Sun Aug 13 19:11:31 2023
From: roggrace at telus.net (Roger Grace)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 18:11:31 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] High clutch
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Assuming that there is no significant wear at the linkages and hydraulic
issues, my understanding is that "clutches wear upwards"
So, maybe the plate is worn after 58 years. To my mind mileage is less
important than traffic and start/stop time driving.
Find a hill and note if it slips at the top of pedal movement.
rg

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On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 5:05?PM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thinking more about your clutch issue. Your description of symptoms has me
> confused.
> Am I correct in assuming that what you are experiencing is that the clutch
> starts to release (slip) after depressing the clutch pedal only a small
> distance this being 1 - 2 inches from its normal (undepressed) position?
>
> M
>
> On Sun., Aug. 13, 2023, 9:46 a.m. Don via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> My 65 BJ8 clutch catches after I depress the pedal about 1 to 2 inches
>> from the rest position . I?ve replaced the clutch master cylinder and the
>> slave cylinder. And I?ve bled the system . There?s. No slipping of the
>> clutch . Car has 60,000 on it with I?m sure the original clutch. Is there
>> any way to make it catch more mid way when I depress the pedal?  I know
>> there are no threaded rods on either the pedal box or at the transmission
>> end . Maybe a different length rod coming out of the slave cylinder?
>>        Thanks , Don
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From michael.oritt at gmail.com  Mon Aug 14 06:48:11 2023
From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 08:48:11 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] High clutch
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My problem is just the opposite:  After having just replaced the clutch and
pressure plate in my 100 the clutch does not *disengage* until almost the
extreme of clutch travel:  i.e. when my foot is depressed to the
floorboard.  Though my car's clutch was originally mechanical I long ago
replaced it with hydraulics after installing a Smitty's Five Speed Toyota
transmission conversion.  I have checked the linkage for wear and do not
see the usual egging out of holes and the hydraulics seem okay.  Would
changing the bore size of either or both cylinders be a fix?

Best--Michael Oritt

On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 10:35?PM Roger Grace <roggrace at telus.net> wrote:

> Assuming that there is no significant wear at the linkages and hydraulic
> issues, my understanding is that "clutches wear upwards"
> So, maybe the plate is worn after 58 years. To my mind mileage is less
> important than traffic and start/stop time driving.
> Find a hill and note if it slips at the top of pedal movement.
> rg
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> wrote:
>
>> Thinking more about your clutch issue. Your description of symptoms has
>> me confused.
>> Am I correct in assuming that what you are experiencing is that the
>> clutch starts to release (slip) after depressing the clutch pedal only a
>> small distance this being 1 - 2 inches from its normal (undepressed)
>> position?
>>
>> M
>>
>> On Sun., Aug. 13, 2023, 9:46 a.m. Don via Healeys, <
>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>> My 65 BJ8 clutch catches after I depress the pedal about 1 to 2 inches
>>> from the rest position . I?ve replaced the clutch master cylinder and the
>>> slave cylinder. And I?ve bled the system . There?s. No slipping of the
>>> clutch . Car has 60,000 on it with I?m sure the original clutch. Is there
>>> any way to make it catch more mid way when I depress the pedal?  I know
>>> there are no threaded rods on either the pedal box or at the transmission
>>> end . Maybe a different length rod coming out of the slave cylinder?
>>>        Thanks , Don
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 10:09:35 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] High clutch
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Hi Michael, I  would say that you are definitely on the right track.
If you are certain that there is no air in the system then my guess is that
you are struggling with " compressability " of the clutch disc.
They are designed that way to "soften " engagement.
A slightly larger diameter master or smaller diameter slave should resolve
the issue but remember that you are dealing with area here so the change in
displaced volume is the square of the diameter change.

M

On Mon., Aug. 14, 2023, 8:48 a.m. Michael Oritt, <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
wrote:

> My problem is just the opposite:  After having just replaced the clutch
> and pressure plate in my 100 the clutch does not *disengage* until almost
> the extreme of clutch travel:  i.e. when my foot is depressed to the
> floorboard.  Though my car's clutch was originally mechanical I long ago
> replaced it with hydraulics after installing a Smitty's Five Speed Toyota
> transmission conversion.  I have checked the linkage for wear and do not
> see the usual egging out of holes and the hydraulics seem okay.  Would
> changing the bore size of either or both cylinders be a fix?
>
> Best--Michael Oritt
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 10:35?PM Roger Grace <roggrace at telus.net> wrote:
>
>> Assuming that there is no significant wear at the linkages and hydraulic
>> issues, my understanding is that "clutches wear upwards"
>> So, maybe the plate is worn after 58 years. To my mind mileage is less
>> important than traffic and start/stop time driving.
>> Find a hill and note if it slips at the top of pedal movement.
>> rg
>>
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>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 5:05?PM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thinking more about your clutch issue. Your description of symptoms has
>>> me confused.
>>> Am I correct in assuming that what you are experiencing is that the
>>> clutch starts to release (slip) after depressing the clutch pedal only a
>>> small distance this being 1 - 2 inches from its normal (undepressed)
>>> position?
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>>> On Sun., Aug. 13, 2023, 9:46 a.m. Don via Healeys, <
>>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My 65 BJ8 clutch catches after I depress the pedal about 1 to 2 inches
>>>> from the rest position . I?ve replaced the clutch master cylinder and the
>>>> slave cylinder. And I?ve bled the system . There?s. No slipping of the
>>>> clutch . Car has 60,000 on it with I?m sure the original clutch. Is there
>>>> any way to make it catch more mid way when I depress the pedal?  I know
>>>> there are no threaded rods on either the pedal box or at the transmission
>>>> end . Maybe a different length rod coming out of the slave cylinder?
>>>>        Thanks , Don
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From coudesluijs at chello.nl  Mon Aug 14 08:33:10 2023
From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 16:33:10 +0200
Subject: [Healeys] High clutch
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A smaller bore for the slave cylinder or a bigger bore to the master 
cylinder or both would help, however the pedal pressure will increase. 
Some drag with a new pressure plate is not uncommon and will wear away 
after a few thousand miles.
Kees Oudesluijs

Op 14-8-2023 om 14:48 schreef Michael Oritt:
> My problem is just the opposite:? After having?just replaced the 
> clutch and pressure plate in my 100 the clutch does not 
> _disengage_?until almost the extreme of clutch travel:? i.e. when my 
> foot is depressed to the floorboard.? Though my car's clutch was 
> originally mechanical I long ago replaced it with hydraulics after 
> installing a Smitty's Five Speed Toyota transmission conversion.? I 
> have checked the linkage for wear and do not see the usual egging out 
> of holes and the hydraulics seem okay.? Would changing the bore size 
> of either or both cylinders be a fix?
>
> Best--Michael Oritt
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 10:35?PM Roger Grace <roggrace at telus.net> wrote:
>
>     Assuming that there is no significant wear at the linkages and
>     hydraulic issues, my understanding is that "clutches wear upwards"
>     So, maybe the plate is worn after 58 years. To my mind mileage is
>     less important than traffic and start/stop time driving.
>     Find a hill and note if it slips at the top of pedal movement.
>     rg
>
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>     On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 5:05?PM Michael Salter
>     <michaelsalter at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         Thinking more about your clutch issue. Your description of
>         symptoms has me confused.
>         Am I correct in assuming that what you are experiencing is
>         that the clutch starts to release (slip) after depressing the
>         clutch pedal only a small distance this being 1 - 2 inches
>         from its normal (undepressed) position?
>
>         M
>
>         On Sun., Aug. 13, 2023, 9:46 a.m. Don via Healeys,
>         <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>             My 65 BJ8 clutch catches after I depress the pedal about 1
>             to 2 inches from the rest position . I?ve replaced the
>             clutch master cylinder and the slave cylinder. And I?ve
>             bled the system . There?s. No slipping of the clutch . Car
>             has 60,000 on it with I?m sure the original clutch. Is
>             there any way to make it catch more mid way when I depress
>             the pedal?? I know there are no threaded rods on either
>             the pedal box or at the transmission end . Maybe a
>             different length rod coming out of the slave cylinder?
>             ? ? ? ?Thanks , Don
>
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From michael.oritt at gmail.com  Mon Aug 14 08:44:00 2023
From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 10:44:00 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] High clutch
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Thank you Michael.

What I did not say is that the present primary and secondary clutch
hydraulic cylinders have been on the car for many years and, up until
recently, functioned just fine.  The change in pedal performance/actuation
probably "accumulated" and happened gradually in a way that I either did
not notice or I felt to be acceptable, and only when I drove the car after
a few months' inactivity did I feel there was a problem.  Since the clutch
itself had a good many miles and years on it I thought I would start there
and though installing a new pilot bearing, disc and (annular) pressure
plate brought the pedal up a bit it, full actuation/disengagement from the
flywheel is still too close to the floor for my liking.

I'll probably give the system another good bleed and depending upon the
outcome I may be following up on your suggestions.

Best--Michael Oritt

On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 10:09?AM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Michael, I  would say that you are definitely on the right track.
> If you are certain that there is no air in the system then my guess is
> that you are struggling with " compressability " of the clutch disc.
> They are designed that way to "soften " engagement.
> A slightly larger diameter master or smaller diameter slave should resolve
> the issue but remember that you are dealing with area here so the change in
> displaced volume is the square of the diameter change.
>
> M
>
> On Mon., Aug. 14, 2023, 8:48 a.m. Michael Oritt, <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> My problem is just the opposite:  After having just replaced the clutch
>> and pressure plate in my 100 the clutch does not *disengage* until
>> almost the extreme of clutch travel:  i.e. when my foot is depressed to the
>> floorboard.  Though my car's clutch was originally mechanical I long ago
>> replaced it with hydraulics after installing a Smitty's Five Speed Toyota
>> transmission conversion.  I have checked the linkage for wear and do not
>> see the usual egging out of holes and the hydraulics seem okay.  Would
>> changing the bore size of either or both cylinders be a fix?
>>
>> Best--Michael Oritt
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 10:35?PM Roger Grace <roggrace at telus.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Assuming that there is no significant wear at the linkages and hydraulic
>>> issues, my understanding is that "clutches wear upwards"
>>> So, maybe the plate is worn after 58 years. To my mind mileage is less
>>> important than traffic and start/stop time driving.
>>> Find a hill and note if it slips at the top of pedal movement.
>>> rg
>>>
>>>
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>>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 5:05?PM Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thinking more about your clutch issue. Your description of symptoms has
>>>> me confused.
>>>> Am I correct in assuming that what you are experiencing is that the
>>>> clutch starts to release (slip) after depressing the clutch pedal only a
>>>> small distance this being 1 - 2 inches from its normal (undepressed)
>>>> position?
>>>>
>>>> M
>>>>
>>>> On Sun., Aug. 13, 2023, 9:46 a.m. Don via Healeys, <
>>>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My 65 BJ8 clutch catches after I depress the pedal about 1 to 2 inches
>>>>> from the rest position . I?ve replaced the clutch master cylinder and the
>>>>> slave cylinder. And I?ve bled the system . There?s. No slipping of the
>>>>> clutch . Car has 60,000 on it with I?m sure the original clutch. Is there
>>>>> any way to make it catch more mid way when I depress the pedal?  I know
>>>>> there are no threaded rods on either the pedal box or at the transmission
>>>>> end . Maybe a different length rod coming out of the slave cylinder?
>>>>>        Thanks , Don
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 14 16:36:05 2023
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 15:36:05 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Bucket list England goodwood revival
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Safe travels. You can rent a Morgan at the factory and drive around on some
fun B roads

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
1967 MGB Roadster

On Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 8:16 AM Chris Dimmock <austin.healey at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all
> A mate of mine, and I, leave Sydney Australia 2 weeks from today.
> A full on bucket list Austin enthusiasts, boys bucket list, Tour! Leaving
> our wifey?s of our lifeys, at home in Australia.
> Visiting all the usualsuppliers.
> Going to a heap of spridget races.
> Beaulieau
> Goodwood Revival
> Anyone in the UK who we can visit on the list??
> I lived in England 1990 - 1992, so I?m pretty sure I know the major
> landmarks.
> It?s the people.
> Anyone who wants to catch up for a beer, lunch, or dinner - depending on
> our agenda - we would love to catch up!!
> In England 25 August- 11 September
> Sincerely
> Chris Dimmock
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>
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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 14 17:31:01 2023
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 16:31:01 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] On the road again
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1967 MGB Roadster

On Sat, Aug 12, 2023, 1:49 PM Perry Small via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

>
> Listers
> After our move to South Carolina from Western Pennsylvania nearly 6 months
> ago, we finally got the BN2 out of the garage today. Attended a nice lunch
> with the local British Car Club in a nearby town. The 100 cruised along
> pretty well even in the current very hot weather.
> Reminds me of the many fun days spent in the car over the last 58 years of
> ownership.
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From llennep at verizon.net  Mon Aug 14 19:28:30 2023
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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 01:28:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] VIR/vintage racing lit
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    On Sunday, July 16, 2023, 08:35:03 PM EDT, llennep--- via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Programs from late 90s and early 2000s.? Send me $20 to cover S&H from 23602 and its yours.? First come, first served.
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From llennep at verizon.net  Mon Aug 14 19:30:50 2023
From: llennep at verizon.net (llennep at verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 01:30:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Healey Highlights programs
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 Last call before I recycle it all.
    On Monday, July 17, 2023, 11:23:24 PM EDT, llennep--- via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 All from the 70s.? $20 to cover S&H from 23602.? First come, first served.
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From p.cquinn at outlook.com  Tue Aug 15 00:31:46 2023
From: p.cquinn at outlook.com (Patrick and Caroline Quinn)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 06:31:46 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] BJ8 Seat Belt Anchorages
Message-ID: <TY2PR0101MB2767BB346B2D12FE0997D0268C14A@TY2PR0101MB2767.apcprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>

G'day

I have been asked by a friend with a late '64 BJ8 about original seat belt anchorages.

While my friend's car is an original right hand drive, I suspect that it would be a simple mirror image for left hand drive cars.

As far as I know the anchorages were:-

Through vertical rear of the driveshaft tunnel
Through the floor towards the rear end of the sill
Through the wheel arch behind the driver/passenger right/left shoulder

Should anyone have appropriate photos, it would be appreciated if they could be sent to me.

Many thanks

Patrick Quinn
Blue Mountains, Australia
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Tue Aug 15 09:13:29 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 08:13:29 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] [O/T] Humvee vs Bentley
Message-ID: <9a1404db-2269-4c14-60b8-f0fe5f24bca6@comcast.net>

I found this rather amusing.

Video: https://youtu.be/Ph1VuQVUs2o

Article: 
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/soldiers-bentley-versus-humvee-asmr-spoof-is-perfection

From javrugtman at htcnet.org  Tue Aug 15 09:56:28 2023
From: javrugtman at htcnet.org (John Vrugtman)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 11:56:28 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] [O/T] Humvee vs Bentley
In-Reply-To: <9a1404db-2269-4c14-60b8-f0fe5f24bca6@comcast.net>
References: <9a1404db-2269-4c14-60b8-f0fe5f24bca6@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <01012193-9c14-3ca3-8bab-dda2b81f4756@htcnet.org>

And they are about the same price!

JAV

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> I found this rather amusing.
>
> Video: https://youtu.be/Ph1VuQVUs2o
>
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From healey.nut at gmail.com  Tue Aug 15 23:22:22 2023
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 13:22:22 +0800
Subject: [Healeys] [O/T] Humvee vs Bentley
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The soldier has an excellent mustache.

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> I found this rather amusing.
>
> Video: https://youtu.be/Ph1VuQVUs2o
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From boyracer466 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 16 09:34:38 2023
From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (Ricchardd Mayor)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 08:34:38 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] I prefer the Aston Martin to Bentley
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From healeyray at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 16 16:38:15 2023
From: healeyray at yahoo.com (Ray Juncal)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 22:38:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Old news?
References: <1703302016.713935.1692225495533.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Well I may be the last one to find out but in my just arrived issue of "Vintage Motorsport" I find a photo of our founder and fearless leader Mark Bradakis being inducted into the"British Sports Car Hall of Fame".? Good going and congratulations Mark. Well deserved if for no other reason than you years ago dragged me into the digital age using Healeys and British sports cars as bait. Thanks for that and I still owe you that beer.RegardsRay


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From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 16 21:56:33 2023
From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 23:56:33 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Old news?
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Congratulations Mark ? lofty company indeed.

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ray Juncal via Healeys
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2023 6:38 PM
To: List Healey <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Old news?

 

Well I may be the last one to find out but in my just arrived issue of "Vintage Motorsport" I find a photo of our founder and fearless leader Mark Bradakis being inducted into the"British Sports Car Hall of Fame".  Good going and congratulations Mark. Well deserved if for no other reason than you years ago dragged me into the digital age using Healeys and British sports cars as bait. Thanks for that and I still owe you that beer.

Regards

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From emmgeeteecee at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Aug 16 22:01:23 2023
From: emmgeeteecee at yahoo.co.uk (David Lodge)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 04:01:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Old news?
In-Reply-To: <1703302016.713935.1692225495533@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1703302016.713935.1692225495533.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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 Hear hear, Ray, and good to see old Brian Redmnan is still with us!? He was an ace motor-bike dude and back inh the UK I used to work with a bloke whose step-daughter dated him.? Obscure connection or what?
    On Wednesday, 16 August 2023 at 16:47:54 GMT-7, Ray Juncal via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Well I may be the last one to find out but in my just arrived issue of "Vintage Motorsport" I find a photo of our founder and fearless leader Mark Bradakis being inducted into the"British Sports Car Hall of Fame".? Good going and congratulations Mark. Well deserved if for no other reason than you years ago dragged me into the digital age using Healeys and British sports cars as bait. Thanks for that and I still owe you that beer.RegardsRay


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From ryan at jimryan.com  Sat Aug 19 07:41:59 2023
From: ryan at jimryan.com (Jim Ryan)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 09:41:59 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] All these years I always thought it was French...
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https://www.hagerty.com/media/maintenance-and-tech/ldn-overdrive-the-british-invention-that-let-the-worlds-drivers-enjoy-highways/?utm_source=SFMC&utm_medium=email&utm_content=MED_UN_NA_EML_UN_WeekendRoadTrip&hashed_email=00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe47cf410f52&dtm_em=00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe47cf410f52
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Sat Aug 19 09:50:04 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 08:50:04 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] All these years I always thought it was French...
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Great story; thanks for posting. I've always been a fan of the LdN, an 
elegant piece engineering IMO. Note in the picture of the Triumph's O/D 
the later type of activating solenoid--more direct--that I mentioned in 
an earlier post.


On 8/19/2023 6:41 AM, Jim Ryan wrote:
> https://www.hagerty.com/media/maintenance-and-tech/ldn-overdrive-the-british-invention-that-let-the-worlds-drivers-enjoy-highways/?utm_source=SFMC&utm_medium=email&utm_content=MED_UN_NA_EML_UN_WeekendRoadTrip&hashed_email=00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe47cf410f52&dtm_em=00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe47cf410f52 
> <https://www.hagerty.com/media/maintenance-and-tech/ldn-overdrive-the-british-invention-that-let-the-worlds-drivers-enjoy-highways/?utm_source=SFMC&utm_medium=email&utm_content=MED_UN_NA_EML_UN_WeekendRoadTrip&hashed_email=00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe47cf410f52&dtm_em=00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe47cf410f52>
>


From boyracer466 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 20 13:30:44 2023
From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (Ricchardd Mayor)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 12:30:44 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Mecum Auction - Monterey - yesterday
Message-ID: <163B9157-0441-4E4F-957E-EB55345E6EBB@gmail.com>

The two 100/4s that were to be auctioned yesterday did not get air time. Each time they broke away for a commercial.  So irritating!    Does anyone know what they went for.  Neither car had a reserve. 


Richard Mayor
boyracer466 at gmail.com



From healeyrik at gmail.com  Mon Aug 21 05:27:47 2023
From: healeyrik at gmail.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 07:27:47 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Mecum Auction - Monterey - yesterday
In-Reply-To: <163B9157-0441-4E4F-957E-EB55345E6EBB@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAGfzsZfYAnFZF+MFdkKBwwOmS3GPkMSoCQUW4dkjG8UdCQZJ3g@mail.gmail.com>

Which auction house were they offered, I can probably find out. I know
there were three 100Ms auctioned over the weekend, none did very well.

Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"

On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 4:27?PM Ricchardd Mayor <boyracer466 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The two 100/4s that were to be auctioned yesterday did not get air time.
> Each time they broke away for a commercial.  So irritating!    Does anyone
> know what they went for.  Neither car had a reserve.
>
>
> Richard Mayor
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From boyracer466 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 21 08:12:09 2023
From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (Ricchardd Mayor)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 07:12:09 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Mecum Auction - Monterey - yesterday
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Mecum


Richard Mayor
boyracer466 at gmail.com


> On Aug 21, 2023, at 4:27 AM, HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Which auction house were they offered, I can probably find out. I know there were three 100Ms auctioned over the weekend, none did very well.
> 
> Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"
> 
> On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 4:27?PM Ricchardd Mayor <boyracer466 at gmail.com <mailto:boyracer466 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> The two 100/4s that were to be auctioned yesterday did not get air time. Each time they broke away for a commercial.  So irritating!    Does anyone know what they went for.  Neither car had a reserve. 
> 
> 
> Richard Mayor
> boyracer466 at gmail.com <mailto:boyracer466 at gmail.com>
> 
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From healeyrik at gmail.com  Mon Aug 21 09:19:49 2023
From: healeyrik at gmail.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 11:19:49 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Mecum Auction - Monterey - yesterday
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Mecum has become a big player in the Healey market at Pebble. They offered
10 Healeys. Here are the results:
https://www.mecum.com/results/?wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc%5Bconfigure%5D%5Bfilters%5D=taxonomies.run_date.timestamp%20%3C%201692576000%20OR%20sold%20%3D%201%20OR%20bid_goes_on%20%3D%201&wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc%5BrefinementList%5D%5Btaxonomies.auction_tax.name%5D%5B0%5D=Indy%202023%7C1683849600%7C1684540800&wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc%5BrefinementList%5D%5Btaxonomies.auction_tax.name%5D%5B1%5D=Monterey%202023%7C1692230400%7C1692403200&wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc%5Bquery%5D=healey&wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc%5BsortBy%5D=wp_posts_lot.
 Hopefully you can see this without opening an account, but if not it's
easy enough to do. As some of you may know, I write the "Auction Report"
for the *Healey Marque *and Monterey will give plenty of grist for the mill.

I haven't analyzed all the Monterey results yet. It's becoming increasingly
hard for me to figure out the Healey market, but I think most would agree
it's trending downward. Gooding's offered a 100M that sold for $196k at
Amelia this spring and only brought $125k at Pebble.  Huge hit.  I'm really
beginning to think the interest in the cars, like the decline in
participation in Healey club events, is more the result of the base aging
out rather than any other external factors.

Happy Healeying,

Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick" aka "Auction Reporter". aka "Madman in a
Death Machine, Nasty Boy owner"

On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 10:12?AM Ricchardd Mayor <boyracer466 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Mecum
>
>
> Richard Mayor
> boyracer466 at gmail.com
>
>
> On Aug 21, 2023, at 4:27 AM, HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Which auction house were they offered, I can probably find out. I know
> there were three 100Ms auctioned over the weekend, none did very well.
>
> Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"
>
> On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 4:27?PM Ricchardd Mayor <boyracer466 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The two 100/4s that were to be auctioned yesterday did not get air time.
>> Each time they broke away for a commercial.  So irritating!    Does anyone
>> know what they went for.  Neither car had a reserve.
>>
>>
>> Richard Mayor
>> boyracer466 at gmail.com
>>
>>
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From boyracer466 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 21 12:22:53 2023
From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (Ricchardd Mayor)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 11:22:53 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Mecum Auction - Monterey - yesterday
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Rick,

I couldn?t get the link to open.  So I decided to open an account but then Mecum wanted way too much personal information.  It just felt creepy.  So I didn?t complete the process.

 
Richard Mayor
boyracer466 at gmail.com


> On Aug 21, 2023, at 8:19 AM, HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Mecum has become a big player in the Healey market at Pebble. They offered 10 Healeys. Here are the results:  https://www.mecum.com/results/?wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc%5Bconfigure%5D%5Bfilters%5D=taxonomies.run_date.timestamp%20%3C%201692576000%20OR%20sold%20%3D%201%20OR%20bid_goes_on%20%3D%201&wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc%5BrefinementList%5D%5Btaxonomies.auction_tax.name%5D%5B0%5D=Indy%202023%7C1683849600%7C1684540800&wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc%5BrefinementList%5D%5Btaxonomies.auction_tax.name%5D%5B1%5D=Monterey%202023%7C1692230400%7C1692403200&wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc%5Bquery%5D=healey&wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc%5BsortBy%5D=wp_posts_lot. <https://www.mecum.com/results/?wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc%5Bconfigure%5D%5Bfilters%5D=taxonomies.run_date.timestamp%20%3C%201692576000%20OR%20sold%20%3D%201%20OR%20bid_goes_on%20%3D%201&wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc%5BrefinementList%5D%5Btaxonomies.auction_tax.name%5D%5B0%5D=Indy%202023%7C1683849600%7C1684540800&wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc%5BrefinementList%5D%5Btaxonomies.auction_tax.name%5D%5B1%5D=Monterey%202023%7C1692230400%7C1692403200&wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc%5Bquery%5D=healey&wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc%5BsortBy%5D=wp_posts_lot.>   Hopefully you can see this without opening an account, but if not it's easy enough to do. As some of you may know, I write the "Auction Report" for the Healey Marque and Monterey will give plenty of grist for the mill.
> 
> I haven't analyzed all the Monterey results yet. It's becoming increasingly hard for me to figure out the Healey market, but I think most would agree it's trending downward. Gooding's offered a 100M that sold for $196k at Amelia this spring and only brought $125k at Pebble.  Huge hit.  I'm really beginning to think the interest in the cars, like the decline in participation in Healey club events, is more the result of the base aging out rather than any other external factors.
> 
> Happy Healeying,
> 
> Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick" aka "Auction Reporter". aka "Madman in a Death Machine, Nasty Boy owner"
> 
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 10:12?AM Ricchardd Mayor <boyracer466 at gmail.com <mailto:boyracer466 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Mecum
> 
> 
> Richard Mayor
> boyracer466 at gmail.com <mailto:boyracer466 at gmail.com>
> 
> 
>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 4:27 AM, HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com <mailto:healeyrik at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Which auction house were they offered, I can probably find out. I know there were three 100Ms auctioned over the weekend, none did very well.
>> 
>> Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"
>> 
>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 4:27?PM Ricchardd Mayor <boyracer466 at gmail.com <mailto:boyracer466 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> The two 100/4s that were to be auctioned yesterday did not get air time. Each time they broke away for a commercial.  So irritating!    Does anyone know what they went for.  Neither car had a reserve. 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard Mayor
>> boyracer466 at gmail.com <mailto:boyracer466 at gmail.com>
>> 
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From healeyrik at gmail.com  Mon Aug 21 13:14:18 2023
From: healeyrik at gmail.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 15:14:18 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Mecum Auction - Monterey - yesterday
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OK lets try this:

https://www.mecum.com/lots/1092411/1954-austin-healey-100-4-roadster/. no
sale, bid to $40k

https://www.mecum.com/lots/1093277/1956-austin-healey-100m/. 100M, no sale
bid to $120k

https://www.mecum.com/lots/1085211/1956-austin-healey-100-bn2-roadster/.
BN1. SOLD for $89.1k

Rick

On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 2:22?PM Ricchardd Mayor <boyracer466 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Rick,
>
> I couldn?t get the link to open.  So I decided to open an account but then
> Mecum wanted way too much personal information.  It just felt creepy.  So I
> didn?t complete the process.
>
>
> Richard Mayor
> boyracer466 at gmail.com
>
>
> On Aug 21, 2023, at 8:19 AM, HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mecum has become a big player in the Healey market at Pebble. They offered
> 10 Healeys. Here are the results:
> https://www.mecum.com/results/?wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc%5Bconfigure%5D%5Bfilters%5D=taxonomies.run_date.timestamp%20%3C%201692576000%20OR%20sold%20%3D%201%20OR%20bid_goes_on%20%3D%201&wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc%5BrefinementList%5D%5Btaxonomies.auction_tax.name%5D%5B0%5D=Indy%202023%7C1683849600%7C1684540800&wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc%5BrefinementList%5D%5Btaxonomies.auction_tax.name%5D%5B1%5D=Monterey%202023%7C1692230400%7C1692403200&wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc%5Bquery%5D=healey&wp_posts_lot_feature_sort_asc%5BsortBy%5D=wp_posts_lot.
>  Hopefully you can see this without opening an account, but if not it's
> easy enough to do. As some of you may know, I write the "Auction Report"
> for the *Healey Marque *and Monterey will give plenty of grist for the
> mill.
>
> I haven't analyzed all the Monterey results yet. It's becoming
> increasingly hard for me to figure out the Healey market, but I think most
> would agree it's trending downward. Gooding's offered a 100M that sold for
> $196k at Amelia this spring and only brought $125k at Pebble.  Huge hit.
> I'm really beginning to think the interest in the cars, like the decline in
> participation in Healey club events, is more the result of the base aging
> out rather than any other external factors.
>
> Happy Healeying,
>
> Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick" aka "Auction Reporter". aka "Madman in a
> Death Machine, Nasty Boy owner"
>
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 10:12?AM Ricchardd Mayor <boyracer466 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Mecum
>>
>>
>> Richard Mayor
>> boyracer466 at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 4:27 AM, HealeyRick <healeyrik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Which auction house were they offered, I can probably find out. I know
>> there were three 100Ms auctioned over the weekend, none did very well.
>>
>> Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 4:27?PM Ricchardd Mayor <boyracer466 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The two 100/4s that were to be auctioned yesterday did not get air time.
>>> Each time they broke away for a commercial.  So irritating!    Does anyone
>>> know what they went for.  Neither car had a reserve.
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard Mayor
>>> boyracer466 at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
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From ira.erbs at gmail.com  Fri Aug 18 20:51:39 2023
From: ira.erbs at gmail.com (I Erbs)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 19:51:39 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
Message-ID: <CAMJLcSiDqXP9PynovmSZc39RfAQwCUWsvX6DcAmy8y4SUGCmow@mail.gmail.com>

sorry to crosspost, but many MGB folk out there.
Does anyone have a good steering wheel for a 67B? Prefer OEM, but a wood
one will do.
Thanks
Mr. Ira Erbs
Retired  Educator
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From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 23 10:26:12 2023
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2023 09:26:12 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
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Love to help you IRA, but the one wood MotoLita steering wheel I have
hanging on a nail in the garage won't fit your car. The 1969 MGB/MGB GT
steering shaft diameter was a smaller size for 1969 only.  That's the
reason I could not find a repro steering wheel from all the usual suspects.
Here's the cheapest one I could find on Ebay.  Going to need a hub for it
though.    Item# 393531376055  Otherwise someone has one to donate to the
cause I hope.
Mike MacLean

On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 8:51?AM I Erbs <ira.erbs at gmail.com> wrote:

> sorry to crosspost, but many MGB folk out there.
> Does anyone have a good steering wheel for a 67B? Prefer OEM, but a wood
> one will do.
> Thanks
> Mr. Ira Erbs
> Retired  Educator
> Milwaukie,OR
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From coudesluijs at chello.nl  Wed Aug 23 11:50:18 2023
From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2023 19:50:18 +0200
Subject: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
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I have a (NOS) leather Moto-Lita steering wheel that should fit on an 
original MGB hub in one of "my famous boxes of old junk". Not sure which 
year, but I will try to find it and take some pictures. Shipping from 
the NL will be around ?50. I would want ?125 for the steering wheel itself.
Kees Oudesluijs

Op 23-8-2023 om 18:26 schreef Michael MacLean:
> Love to help you IRA, but the one wood MotoLita steering wheel I have 
> hanging on a nail in the garage won't fit your car. The 1969 MGB/MGB 
> GT steering shaft diameter was a smaller size for 1969 only.? That's 
> the reason I could not find a repro steering wheel from all the usual 
> suspects.
> Here's the cheapest one I could find on Ebay.? Going to need a hub for 
> it though. ?? Item# 393531376055 Otherwise someone has one to donate 
> to the cause I hope.
> Mike MacLean
>
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 8:51?AM I Erbs <ira.erbs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     sorry to crosspost, but many MGB folk out there.
>     Does anyone have a good steering wheel for a 67B? Prefer OEM, but
>     a wood one will do.
>     Thanks
>     Mr. Ira Erbs
>     Retired? Educator
>     Milwaukie,OR
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From warthodson at aol.com  Wed Aug 23 14:02:47 2023
From: warthodson at aol.com (warthodson at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2023 20:02:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
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 I have a Moto-Lita hub #B25C. My estimate is that the splined opening is 0.666" I.D. It is hard to get an exact measurement. My notes indicate this fits a MG Midget MK 4, '71 on - Flat wheel or a MGB '71 - '76 Flat or dished.For much more information check out Moto-Lita's website.??https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/bosses/b25c/Mine is in new condition. $100 plus $20 shipping to anywhere in the USA.Gary Hodson?
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:51:23 AM CDT, Michael MacLean <springer.mike51 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Love to help you IRA, but the one wood MotoLita steering wheel I have hanging on a nail in the garage won't fit your car. The 1969 MGB/MGB GT steering shaft diameter was a smaller size for 1969 only.? That's the reason I could not find a repro steering wheel from all the usual suspects.Here's the cheapest one I could find on Ebay.? Going to need a hub for it though. ?? Item# 393531376055? Otherwise someone has one to donate to the cause I hope.
Mike MacLean

On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 8:51?AM I Erbs <ira.erbs at gmail.com> wrote:

sorry to crosspost, but many MGB folk out there.Does anyone have a good steering wheel for a 67B? Prefer OEM, but a wood one will do.Thanks
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From josef-eckert at t-online.de  Wed Aug 23 23:52:51 2023
From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 07:52:51 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
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SPAM! Please no MG stuff here. There should be another platform for this.
 
 
 
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An: "Ahealey help" <healeys at autox.team.net>
 
 
 
sorry to crosspost, but many MGB folk out there.
Does anyone have a good steering wheel for a 67B? Prefer OEM, but a wood 
one will do.
Thanks
Mr. Ira Erbs
Retired  Educator
Milwaukie,OR
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From coudesluijs at chello.nl  Thu Aug 24 01:49:08 2023
From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 09:49:08 +0200
Subject: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
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Rubbish. A-H is not the only classic car some people have. So it is 
sensible logic to share info with owners of other similar classics. Also 
a lot of parts are near identical/interchangeable/similar with other BMC 
related cars. We should think "classic cars", not only A-H, in our hobby.

Kees Oudesluijs



Op 24-8-2023 om 07:52 schreef josef-eckert--- via Healeys:
>
> SPAM! Please no MG stuff here. There should be another platform for this.
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>
> Betreff: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
>
> Datum: 2023-08-23T17:57:57+0200
>
> Von: "I Erbs" <ira.erbs at gmail.com>
>
> An: "Ahealey help" <healeys at autox.team.net>
>
> sorry to crosspost, but many MGB folk out there.
> Does anyone have a good steering wheel for a 67B? Prefer OEM, but a 
> wood one will do.
> Thanks
> Mr. Ira Erbs
> Retired? Educator
> Milwaukie,OR
> ?
>
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From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca  Thu Aug 24 05:49:18 2023
From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 07:49:18 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
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References: <CAMJLcSiDqXP9PynovmSZc39RfAQwCUWsvX6DcAmy8y4SUGCmow@mail.gmail.com>
 <1692856371527.1127222.fabc3d017e3f5e3af0a7344856362c24bd5615fa@spica.telekom.de>
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Seconded.  I have a BT7 and two M.G.s

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2023 3:49 AM
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel

 

Rubbish. A-H is not the only classic car some people have. So it is sensible logic to share info with owners of other similar classics. Also a lot of parts are near identical/interchangeable/similar with other BMC related cars. We should think "classic cars", not only A-H, in our hobby.

Kees Oudesluijs

 

 

Op 24-8-2023 om 07:52 schreef josef-eckert--- via Healeys:

SPAM! Please no MG stuff here. There should be another platform for this.

 

 

 

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Betreff: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel

Datum: 2023-08-23T17:57:57+0200

Von: "I Erbs"  <mailto:ira.erbs at gmail.com> <ira.erbs at gmail.com>

An: "Ahealey help"  <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> <healeys at autox.team.net>

 

 

 

sorry to crosspost, but many MGB folk out there. 

Does anyone have a good steering wheel for a 67B? Prefer OEM, but a wood one will do.

Thanks


Mr. Ira Erbs

Retired  Educator

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From josef-eckert at t-online.de  Thu Aug 24 08:54:21 2023
From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 16:54:21 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
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I am sure there are others with other cars of other car brands. I own 
Mercedes, Daimler, Morris, Mazda, Renault beside my Austin-Healeys.
I also own motorbikes BMW, Norton, DKW, Terrot.
Next time I will ask in this forum for perhaps a Daimler steering wheel I 
am in need of. It looks similar to an Austin-Healey one.
 
Cheers,
Josef Eckert
 
 
 
-----Original-Nachricht-----
Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
Datum: 2023-08-24T15:20:37+0200
Von: "m.g.sharp--- via Healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net>
An: "'Kees Oudesluijs'" <coudesluijs at chello.nl>, "healeys at autox.team.net" 
<healeys at autox.team.net>
 
 
 

Seconded.  I have a BT7 and two M.G.s

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Kees Oudesluijs 
via Healeys
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2023 3:49 AM
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel

 

Rubbish. A-H is not the only classic car some people have. So it is 
sensible logic to share info with owners of other similar classics. Also a 
lot of parts are near identical/interchangeable/similar with other BMC 
related cars. We should think "classic cars", not only A-H, in our hobby.
Kees Oudesluijs
 
 

Op 24-8-2023 om 07:52 schreef josef-eckert--- via Healeys:

    SPAM! Please no MG stuff here. There should be another platform for
    this.
     
     
     
    -----Original-Nachricht-----
    Betreff: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
    Datum: 2023-08-23T17:57:57+0200
    Von: "I Erbs" <ira.erbs at gmail.com> <mailto:ira.erbs at gmail.com>
    An: "Ahealey help" <healeys at autox.team.net>
    <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
     
     
     

    sorry to crosspost, but many MGB folk out there.

    Does anyone have a good steering wheel for a 67B? Prefer OEM, but a
    wood one will do.

    Thanks

    Mr. Ira Erbs

    Retired  Educator

    Milwaukie,OR



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From coudesluijs at chello.nl  Thu Aug 24 09:41:24 2023
From: coudesluijs at chello.nl (Kees Oudesluijs)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 17:41:24 +0200
Subject: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
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You may strike lucky.
Kees Oudesluijs

Op 24-8-2023 om 16:54 schreef josef-eckert--- via Healeys:
>
> I am sure there are others with other cars of other car brands. I own 
> Mercedes, Daimler, Morris, Mazda, Renault beside my Austin-Healeys.
>
> I also own motorbikes BMW, Norton, DKW, Terrot.
>
> Next time I will ask in this forum for perhaps a Daimler steering 
> wheel I am in need of. It looks similar to an Austin-Healey one.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Josef Eckert
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>
> Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
>
> Datum: 2023-08-24T15:20:37+0200
>
> Von: "m.g.sharp--- via Healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net>
>
> An: "'Kees Oudesluijs'" <coudesluijs at chello.nl>, 
> "healeys at autox.team.net" <healeys at autox.team.net>
>
> Seconded.? I have a BT7 and two M.G.s
>
> *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Kees 
> Oudesluijs via Healeys
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2023 3:49 AM
> *To:* healeys at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
>
> Rubbish. A-H is not the only classic car some people have. So it is 
> sensible logic to share info with owners of other similar classics. 
> Also a lot of parts are near identical/interchangeable/similar with 
> other BMC related cars. We should think "classic cars", not only A-H, 
> in our hobby.
>
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
> Op 24-8-2023 om 07:52 schreef josef-eckert--- via Healeys:
>
>     SPAM! Please no MG stuff here. There should be another platform
>     for this.
>
>     -----Original-Nachricht-----
>
>     Betreff: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
>
>     Datum: 2023-08-23T17:57:57+0200
>
>     Von: "I Erbs" <ira.erbs at gmail.com> <mailto:ira.erbs at gmail.com>
>
>     An: "Ahealey help" <healeys at autox.team.net>
>     <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
>
>     sorry to crosspost, but many MGB folk out there.
>
>     Does anyone have a good steering wheel for a 67B? Prefer OEM, but
>     a wood one will do.
>
>     Thanks
>
>     Mr. Ira Erbs
>
>     Retired? Educator
>
>     Milwaukie,OR
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From gradea1 at charter.net  Thu Aug 24 09:43:08 2023
From: gradea1 at charter.net (Hank Leach)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 15:43:08 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
Message-ID: <31077d0b61b0b48cedbf6872cd02526a06100004@webmail>

Many of the British Marques delved into the various parts bins of BMC,
Lucas, Wilmot Breeden, Rubery Owen and others so similar items
appeared on many of the postwar cars as it was just that-postwar- and
custom items were hard to find during that time.
The Bluemels steering wheel was also a common item on many of the
various brands. Here is a similar wheel on the AC Ace which was also
found on the Austin-Healey and many others. Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: "josef-eckert--- via
Healeys" 
To: "healeys at autox.team.net"
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday August 24 2023 8:10:47AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel

	 I am sure there are others with other cars of other car brands. I
own Mercedes, Daimler, Morris, Mazda, Renault beside my
Austin-Healeys.

	 I also own motorbikes BMW, Norton, DKW, Terrot. 

	 Next time I will ask in this forum for perhaps a Daimler steering
wheel I am in need of. It looks similar to an Austin-Healey one. 

	 Cheers, 

	 Josef Eckert 

	-----Original-Nachricht----- 

	Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel 

	Datum: 2023-08-24T15:20:37+0200 

	Von: "m.g.sharp--- via Healeys"  

	An: "'Kees Oudesluijs'" , "healeys at autox.team.net"  

	Seconded. I have a BT7 and two M.G.s 

	FROM: Healeys  ON BEHALF OF Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys
SENT: Thursday, August 24, 2023 3:49 AM
TO: healeys at autox.team.net
SUBJECT: Re: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel   

	Rubbish. A-H is not the only classic car some people have. So it is
sensible logic to share info with owners of other similar classics.
Also a lot of parts are near identical/interchangeable/similar with
other BMC related cars. We should think "classic cars", not only A-H,
in our hobby. 

	Kees Oudesluijs 

	Op 24-8-2023 om 07:52 schreef josef-eckert--- via Healeys:   

	 SPAM! Please no MG stuff here. There should be another platform for
this. 

	-----Original-Nachricht----- 

	Betreff: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel 

	Datum: 2023-08-23T17:57:57+0200 

	Von: "I Erbs"  

	An: "Ahealey help"  

	sorry to crosspost, but many MGB folk out there.  

	Does anyone have a good steering wheel for a 67B? Prefer OEM, but a
wood one will do.   

	Thanks

	Mr. Ira Erbs   

	Retired Educator   

	Milwaukie,OR        

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From boyracer466 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 24 10:48:43 2023
From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (Richard Mayor)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 09:48:43 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
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That 4 spoke Bluemels steering wheel is sooo cool.

On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 9:18?AM Hank Leach via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Many of the British Marques delved into the various parts bins of BMC,
> Lucas, Wilmot Breeden, Rubery Owen and others so similar items appeared on
> many of the postwar cars as it was just that-postwar- and custom items were
> hard to find during that time.
>
> The Bluemels steering wheel was also a common item on many of the various
> brands.  Here is a similar wheel on the AC Ace which was also found on the
> Austin-Healey and many others. Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
> From: "josef-eckert--- via Healeys"
> To: "healeys at autox.team.net"
> Cc:
> Sent: Thursday August 24 2023 8:10:47AM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
>
> I am sure there are others with other cars of other car brands. I own
> Mercedes, Daimler, Morris, Mazda, Renault beside my Austin-Healeys.
>
> I also own motorbikes BMW, Norton, DKW, Terrot.
>
> Next time I will ask in this forum for perhaps a Daimler steering wheel I
> am in need of. It looks similar to an Austin-Healey one.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Josef Eckert
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>
> Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
>
> Datum: 2023-08-24T15:20:37+0200
>
> Von: "m.g.sharp--- via Healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net>
>
> An: "'Kees Oudesluijs'" <coudesluijs at chello.nl>, "healeys at autox.team.net"
> <healeys at autox.team.net>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Seconded.  I have a BT7 and two M.G.s
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of* Kees
> Oudesluijs via Healeys
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2023 3:49 AM
> *To:* healeys at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
>
>
>
> Rubbish. A-H is not the only classic car some people have. So it is
> sensible logic to share info with owners of other similar classics. Also a
> lot of parts are near identical/interchangeable/similar with other BMC
> related cars. We should think "classic cars", not only A-H, in our hobby.
>
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
>
>
>
>
> Op 24-8-2023 om 07:52 schreef josef-eckert--- via Healeys:
>
> SPAM! Please no MG stuff here. There should be another platform for this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>
> Betreff: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
>
> Datum: 2023-08-23T17:57:57+0200
>
> Von: "I Erbs" <ira.erbs at gmail.com>
>
> An: "Ahealey help" <healeys at autox.team.net>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> sorry to crosspost, but many MGB folk out there.
>
> Does anyone have a good steering wheel for a 67B? Prefer OEM, but a wood
> one will do.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mr. Ira Erbs
>
> Retired  Educator
>
> Milwaukie,OR
>
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From josef-eckert at t-online.de  Thu Aug 24 11:21:05 2023
From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:21:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
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Don`t worry. I do not bomb the list with Daimler issues. That`s a different 
subject and not for an Austin-Healey list/forum.
 
Josef
 
 
 
-----Original-Nachricht-----
Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
Datum: 2023-08-24T17:43:13+0200
Von: "Hank Leach" <gradea1 at charter.net>
An: "'josef-eckert at t-online.de'" <josef-eckert at t-online.de>
 
 
 
Many of the British Marques delved into the various parts bins of BMC, 
Lucas, Wilmot Breeden, Rubery Owen and others so similar items appeared on 
many of the postwar cars as it was just that-postwar- and custom items were 
hard to find during that time.
 
The Bluemels steering wheel was also a common item on many of the various 
brands.  Here is a similar wheel on the AC Ace which was also found on the 
Austin-Healey and many others. Hank

 
-----------------------------------------
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To: "healeys at autox.team.net"
Cc:
Sent: Thursday August 24 2023 8:10:47AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel

I am sure there are others with other cars of other car brands. Iown 
Mercedes, Daimler, Morris, Mazda, Renault beside myAustin-Healeys.
I also own motorbikes BMW, Norton, DKW, Terrot.
Next time I will ask in this forum for perhaps a Daimler steeringwheel I am 
in need of. It looks similar to an Austin-Healeyone.
 
Cheers,
Josef Eckert
 
 
 
-----Original-Nachricht-----
Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steeringwheel
Datum: 2023-08-24T15:20:37+0200
Von: "m.g.sharp--- via Healeys"<healeys at autox.team.net>
An: "'Kees Oudesluijs'"<coudesluijs at chello.nl>, 
"healeys at autox.team.net"<healeys at autox.team.net>
 
 
 

Seconded.  I have a BT7 and twoM.G.s

 

From: Healeys<healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On BehalfOf Kees Oudesluijs 
via Healeys
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2023 3:49 AM
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steeringwheel

 

Rubbish. A-H is not the only classic carsome people have. So it is sensible 
logic to share info with ownersof other similar classics. Also a lot of 
parts are nearidentical/interchangeable/similar with other BMC related 
cars. Weshould think "classic cars", not only A-H, in our hobby.
Kees Oudesluijs
 
 

Op 24-8-2023 om 07:52 schreef josef-eckert---via Healeys:

    SPAM! Please no MG stuff here. There should be another platform
    forthis.
     
     
     
    -----Original-Nachricht-----
    Betreff: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steeringwheel
    Datum: 2023-08-23T17:57:57+0200
    Von: "I Erbs" <ira.erbs at gmail.com>
    An: "Ahealey help" <healeys at autox.team.net>
     
     
     

    sorryto crosspost, but many MGB folk out there.

    Doesanyone have a good steering wheel for a 67B? Prefer OEM, but a
    woodone will do.

    Thanks

    Mr.Ira Erbs

    Retired Educator

    Milwaukie,OR



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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 24 11:53:55 2023
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 10:53:55 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
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Joseph has some issue with me and has been a prick about it for years.
Thanks to all who support the fact that many of us own more than one marque.
Ira Erbs
Milwaukie,OR
      _______                                  _______
     (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
         (_________________________)
          BT7 engine and disk brakes


1967 MGB  [image: MG]

A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words


On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 1:10?AM Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Rubbish. A-H is not the only classic car some people have. So it is
> sensible logic to share info with owners of other similar classics. Also a
> lot of parts are near identical/interchangeable/similar with other BMC
> related cars. We should think "classic cars", not only A-H, in our hobby.
>
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
>
>
> Op 24-8-2023 om 07:52 schreef josef-eckert--- via Healeys:
>
> SPAM! Please no MG stuff here. There should be another platform for this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>
> Betreff: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
>
> Datum: 2023-08-23T17:57:57+0200
>
> Von: "I Erbs" <ira.erbs at gmail.com> <ira.erbs at gmail.com>
>
> An: "Ahealey help" <healeys at autox.team.net> <healeys at autox.team.net>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> sorry to crosspost, but many MGB folk out there.
> Does anyone have a good steering wheel for a 67B? Prefer OEM, but a wood
> one will do.
> Thanks
> Mr. Ira Erbs
> Retired  Educator
> Milwaukie,OR
> ?
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From josef-eckert at t-online.de  Thu Aug 24 12:04:58 2023
From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 20:04:58 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Healeys] WG: Re:  67 MGB Steering wheel
Message-ID: <1692900298957.1169698.b19322aca34f52279bc9c7d3dc5a8ed2b371303a@spica.telekom.de>

Seems better here.
 
 
 
-----Original-Nachricht-----
Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
Datum: 2023-08-24T19:52:50+0200
Von: "i erbs" <eyera3000 at gmail.com>
An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" <josef-eckert at t-online.de>
 
 
 
why are you such an asshole.? Many of us own more than one mark and post 
questions all the time. Not sure what your shit is about me, but it is very 
tiresome 
Ira Erbs
Milwaukie,OR
      _______                                  _______
     (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
         (_________________________)
          BT7 engine and disk brakes
 
 
1967 MGB  [MG]
 
A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words

On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 11:16?PM josef-eckert--- via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote:
  SPAM! Please no MG stuff here. There should be another platform for this.
   
   
   
  -----Original-Nachricht-----
  Betreff: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
  Datum: 2023-08-23T17:57:57+0200
  Von: "I Erbs" <ira.erbs at gmail.com <mailto:ira.erbs at gmail.com> >
  An: "Ahealey help" <healeys at autox.team.net
  <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> >
   
   
   
  sorry to crosspost, but many MGB folk out there.
  Does anyone have a good steering wheel for a 67B? Prefer OEM, but a wood
  one will do.
  Thanks
  Mr. Ira Erbs
  Retired  Educator
  Milwaukie,OR
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From phoenix722 at comcast.net  Thu Aug 24 13:22:24 2023
From: phoenix722 at comcast.net (Mike Sinclair)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 12:22:24 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
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Temper, Temper.

On 8/24/23 10:53 AM, i erbs wrote:
> Joseph has some issue with me and has?been a prick about it for years.
> Thanks to all who support the fact that many of us own more than one 
> marque.
> Ira Erbs
> Milwaukie,OR
> ? _______ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?_______
> ?? (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
> (_________________________)
> ? ? ? ? ? BT7 engine and disk brakes
>
>
> 1967 MGB MG
>
> A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
> Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 1:10?AM Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys 
> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>     Rubbish. A-H is not the only classic car some people have. So it
>     is sensible logic to share info with owners of other similar
>     classics. Also a lot of parts are near
>     identical/interchangeable/similar with other BMC related cars. We
>     should think "classic cars", not only A-H, in our hobby.
>
>     Kees Oudesluijs
>
>
>
>     Op 24-8-2023 om 07:52 schreef josef-eckert--- via Healeys:
>>
>>     SPAM! Please no MG stuff here. There should be another platform
>>     for this.
>>
>>     -----Original-Nachricht-----
>>
>>     Betreff: [Healeys] 67 MGB Steering wheel
>>
>>     Datum: 2023-08-23T17:57:57+0200
>>
>>     Von: "I Erbs" <ira.erbs at gmail.com> <mailto:ira.erbs at gmail.com>
>>
>>     An: "Ahealey help" <healeys at autox.team.net>
>>     <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
>>
>>     sorry to crosspost, but many MGB folk out there.
>>     Does anyone have a good steering wheel for a 67B? Prefer OEM, but
>>     a wood one will do.
>>     Thanks
>>     Mr. Ira Erbs
>>     Retired? Educator
>>     Milwaukie,OR
>>     ?
>>
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From DrBerkowitz at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 24 13:59:45 2023
From: DrBerkowitz at hotmail.com (Leonard Berkowitz)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:59:45 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] other Marques
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Hi all

Just want to add my two cents.  I have on many occasions posed questions about my 1950 Dodge, my '98 Jag or my C6 Corvette.  Nobody ever complained.  Actually, the list was very helpful when I did post these questions and I was very grateful for the help I received. Yes, my main love and topic is my '63 BJ7 but so what! The other cars count also.

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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 24 18:14:21 2023
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 17:14:21 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] other Marques
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Sorry trying ignite this.
I just don't understand his deal with me.
Thanks everyone

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
1967 MGB Roadster

On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 3:58 PM Leonard Berkowitz via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Just want to add my two cents.  I have on many occasions posed questions
> about my 1950 Dodge, my '98 Jag or my C6 Corvette.  Nobody ever
> complained.  Actually, the list was very helpful when I did post these
> questions and I was very grateful for the help I received. Yes, my main
> love and topic is my '63 BJ7 but so what! The other cars count also.
>
> Len Berkowitz
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From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca  Thu Aug 24 21:48:56 2023
From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 23:48:56 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] other Marques
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Ira, don?t apologize, you did what all but one of us would do.

 

Mirek

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of i erbs
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2023 8:14 PM
To: Leonard Berkowitz <DrBerkowitz at hotmail.com>
Cc: Ahealey help <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] other Marques

 

Sorry trying ignite this.

I just don't understand his deal with me.

Thanks everyone

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
1967 MGB Roadster

 

On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 3:58 PM Leonard Berkowitz via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Hi all

 

Just want to add my two cents.  I have on many occasions posed questions about my 1950 Dodge, my '98 Jag or my C6 Corvette.  Nobody ever complained.  Actually, the list was very helpful when I did post these questions and I was very grateful for the help I received. Yes, my main love and topic is my '63 BJ7 but so what! The other cars count also.

 

Len Berkowitz

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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 24 21:54:51 2023
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 20:54:51 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] other Marques
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Thanks. Not my fault, but I feel bad when have to deal with people who
create problems

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
1967 MGB Roadster

On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 8:48 PM <m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Ira, don?t apologize, you did what all but one of us would do.
>
>
>
> Mirek
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *i erbs
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2023 8:14 PM
> *To:* Leonard Berkowitz <DrBerkowitz at hotmail.com>
> *Cc:* Ahealey help <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] other Marques
>
>
>
> Sorry trying ignite this.
>
> I just don't understand his deal with me.
>
> Thanks everyone
>
> Ira Erbs
> Milwaukie, OR
> 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
> 1967 MGB Roadster
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 3:58 PM Leonard Berkowitz via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
>
>
> Just want to add my two cents.  I have on many occasions posed questions
> about my 1950 Dodge, my '98 Jag or my C6 Corvette.  Nobody ever
> complained.  Actually, the list was very helpful when I did post these
> questions and I was very grateful for the help I received. Yes, my main
> love and topic is my '63 BJ7 but so what! The other cars count also.
>
>
>
> Len Berkowitz
>
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From gradea1 at charter.net  Fri Aug 25 11:21:29 2023
From: gradea1 at charter.net (Hank Leach)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 17:21:29 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] other Marques
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GUYS-LETS KEEP THIS ABOVE BOARD. THIS IS A HEALEY COMMUNITY and the
discussions should surround those topics. Personalities should not be
the issue, although we all have them. It is understandable that not
everyone gets along with others but let just talk cars-no emotion
involved except automotive frustration. An old man's perspective. Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: "i erbs" 
To: "Mirek Sharp"
Cc: "Ahealey help"
Sent: Thursday August 24 2023 10:59:52PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] other Marques

 Thanks. Not my fault, but I feel bad when have to deal with people
who create problems

Ira Erbs
 Milwaukie, OR
 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
 1967 MGB Roadster  
 On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 8:48 PM  wrote:

	Ira, don?t apologize, you did what all but one of us would do. 

	Mirek 

	FROM: Healeys  ON BEHALF OF i erbs
SENT: Thursday, August 24, 2023 8:14 PM
TO: Leonard Berkowitz 
CC: Ahealey help 
SUBJECT: Re: [Healeys] other Marques  

	Sorry trying ignite this.  

	I just don't understand his deal with me.   

	Thanks everyone  

	Ira Erbs
 Milwaukie, OR
 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
 1967 MGB Roadster    

	On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 3:58 PM Leonard Berkowitz via Healeys  wrote:  
  

	Hi all   

	Just want to add my two cents. I have on many occasions posed
questions about my 1950 Dodge, my '98 Jag or my C6 Corvette. Nobody
ever complained. Actually, the list was very helpful when I did post
these questions and I was very grateful for the help I received. Yes,
my main love and topic is my '63 BJ7 but so what! The other cars count
also.   

	Len Berkowitz   

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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 25 11:28:23 2023
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 10:28:23 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] other Marques
In-Reply-To: <87538ca11a25816b78f20c8d8e5022c09d93f224@webmail>
References: <87538ca11a25816b78f20c8d8e5022c09d93f224@webmail>
Message-ID: <CABXhz89Tem3N7C20O6e4oOnA4iRfg8TEoqtB5v7sRfv0w_HSZw@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry
He just pushed one too many times.
Peace out

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
1967 MGB Roadster

On Fri, Aug 25, 2023, 10:21 AM Hank Leach <gradea1 at charter.net> wrote:

> Guys-lets keep this above board.  This is a *Healey Community* and the
> discussions should surround those topics.  Personalities should not be the
> issue, although we all have them. It is understandable that not everyone
> gets along with others but let just talk cars-no emotion involved except
> automotive frustration. An old man's perspective. Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
> From: "i erbs"
> To: "Mirek Sharp"
> Cc: "Ahealey help"
> Sent: Thursday August 24 2023 10:59:52PM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] other Marques
>
> Thanks. Not my fault, but I feel bad when have to deal with people who
> create problems
>
> Ira Erbs
> Milwaukie, OR
> 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
> 1967 MGB Roadster
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 8:48 PM <m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> Ira, don?t apologize, you did what all but one of us would do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mirek
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of* i erbs
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2023 8:14 PM
>> *To:* Leonard Berkowitz <DrBerkowitz at hotmail.com>
>> *Cc:* Ahealey help <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] other Marques
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry trying ignite this.
>>
>> I just don't understand his deal with me.
>>
>> Thanks everyone
>>
>> Ira Erbs
>> Milwaukie, OR
>> 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
>> 1967 MGB Roadster
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 3:58 PM Leonard Berkowitz via Healeys <
>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>>
>>
>> Just want to add my two cents.  I have on many occasions posed questions
>> about my 1950 Dodge, my '98 Jag or my C6 Corvette.  Nobody ever
>> complained.  Actually, the list was very helpful when I did post these
>> questions and I was very grateful for the help I received. Yes, my main
>> love and topic is my '63 BJ7 but so what! The other cars count also.
>>
>>
>>
>> Len Berkowitz
>>
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From vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 25 13:55:59 2023
From: vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com (Jean Caron)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 19:55:59 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] other Marques
In-Reply-To: <87538ca11a25816b78f20c8d8e5022c09d93f224@webmail>
References: <87538ca11a25816b78f20c8d8e5022c09d93f224@webmail>
Message-ID: <DS7PR11MB607835CFFBD5897488FA29FBD1E3A@DS7PR11MB6078.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

EXACTLY.

Jean

Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada?s largest network.
________________________________
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Hank Leach via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2023 12:21:29 PM
To: 'i erbs' <eyera3000 at gmail.com>
Cc: 'healeys at autox.team.net' <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] other Marques

Guys-lets keep this above board.  This is a Healey Community and the discussions should surround those topics.  Personalities should not be the issue, although we all have them. It is understandable that not everyone gets along with others but let just talk cars-no emotion involved except automotive frustration. An old man's perspective. Hank


-----------------------------------------

From: "i erbs"
To: "Mirek Sharp"
Cc: "Ahealey help"
Sent: Thursday August 24 2023 10:59:52PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] other Marques

Thanks. Not my fault, but I feel bad when have to deal with people who create problems

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
1967 MGB Roadster

On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 8:48 PM <m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca> wrote:

Ira, don?t apologize, you did what all but one of us would do.



Mirek



From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of i erbs
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2023 8:14 PM
To: Leonard Berkowitz <DrBerkowitz at hotmail.com>
Cc: Ahealey help <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] other Marques



Sorry trying ignite this.

I just don't understand his deal with me.

Thanks everyone

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
1967 MGB Roadster



On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 3:58 PM Leonard Berkowitz via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

Hi all



Just want to add my two cents.  I have on many occasions posed questions about my 1950 Dodge, my '98 Jag or my C6 Corvette.  Nobody ever complained.  Actually, the list was very helpful when I did post these questions and I was very grateful for the help I received. Yes, my main love and topic is my '63 BJ7 but so what! The other cars count also.



Len Berkowitz

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From edriver at sasktel.net  Fri Aug 25 20:23:34 2023
From: edriver at sasktel.net (E.A. Driver)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:23:34 -0600
Subject: [Healeys] other Marques
In-Reply-To: <87538ca11a25816b78f20c8d8e5022c09d93f224@webmail>
References: <87538ca11a25816b78f20c8d8e5022c09d93f224@webmail>
Message-ID: <dde63ced-8817-41a9-02aa-16ba40d1ccfd@sasktel.net>

Hi Hank

This is very well put as was Mirek's comment - although there are no 
real guardrails on Team.net an open and understanding discussion of 
cars, car activity should never be restrictive, even if the name of only 
a single marque appears.? Another real old man who has owned 1949 
Prefect,? 1971 Capri, 1969 Fiat 124, 2017 Fiat 124, 1989 Morgan 4/4, 
1965 BJ8 and currently driving a 2003 XKR zoom zoom?

Cheers
Ed
former Historian and director of AHCUSA


On 25/08/2023 11:21, Hank Leach via Healeys wrote:
> Guys-lets keep this above board.? This is a *Healey Community* and the 
> discussions should surround those topics.? Personalities should not be 
> the issue, although we all have them. It is understandable that not 
> everyone gets along with others but let just talk cars-no emotion 
> involved except automotive frustration. An old man's perspective. Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> From: "i erbs"
> To: "Mirek Sharp"
> Cc: "Ahealey help"
> Sent: Thursday August 24 2023 10:59:52PM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] other Marques
>
> Thanks. Not my fault, but I feel bad when have to deal with people who 
> create problems
>
> Ira Erbs
> Milwaukie, OR
> 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
> 1967 MGB Roadster
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 8:48 PM <m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>     Ira, don?t apologize, you did what all but one of us would do.
>
>     Mirek
>
>     *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of* i erbs
>     *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2023 8:14 PM
>     *To:* Leonard Berkowitz <DrBerkowitz at hotmail.com>
>     *Cc:* Ahealey help <healeys at autox.team.net>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] other Marques
>
>     Sorry trying ignite this.
>
>     I just don't understand his deal with me.
>
>     Thanks everyone
>
>     Ira Erbs
>     Milwaukie, OR
>     1959 Austin Healey 100-6
>     1967 MGB Roadster
>
>     On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 3:58 PM Leonard Berkowitz via Healeys
>     <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>         Hi all
>
>         Just want to add my two cents. I have on many occasions posed
>         questions about my 1950 Dodge, my '98 Jag or my C6 Corvette.?
>         Nobody ever complained. Actually, the list was very helpful
>         when I did post these questions and I was very grateful for
>         the help I received. Yes, my main love and topic is my '63 BJ7
>         but so what! The other cars count also.
>
>         Len Berkowitz
>
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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 25 21:00:51 2023
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:00:51 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] other Marques
In-Reply-To: <dde63ced-8817-41a9-02aa-16ba40d1ccfd@sasktel.net>
References: <87538ca11a25816b78f20c8d8e5022c09d93f224@webmail>
 <dde63ced-8817-41a9-02aa-16ba40d1ccfd@sasktel.net>
Message-ID: <CABXhz8--89uNs+C7wDOg3FEGjjai3jPfkbVY_fXg0yzO=G6_tg@mail.gmail.com>

?

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
1967 MGB Roadster

On Fri, Aug 25, 2023, 7:56 PM E.A. Driver via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hi Hank
>
> This is very well put as was Mirek's comment - although there are no real
> guardrails on Team.net an open and understanding discussion of cars, car
> activity should never be restrictive, even if the name of only a single
> marque appears.  Another real old man who has owned 1949 Prefect,  1971
> Capri, 1969 Fiat 124, 2017 Fiat 124, 1989 Morgan 4/4, 1965 BJ8 and
> currently driving a 2003 XKR zoom zoom?
>
> Cheers
> Ed
> former Historian and director of AHCUSA
>
>
> On 25/08/2023 11:21, Hank Leach via Healeys wrote:
>
> Guys-lets keep this above board.  This is a *Healey Community* and the
> discussions should surround those topics.  Personalities should not be the
> issue, although we all have them. It is understandable that not everyone
> gets along with others but let just talk cars-no emotion involved except
> automotive frustration. An old man's perspective. Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
> From: "i erbs"
> To: "Mirek Sharp"
> Cc: "Ahealey help"
> Sent: Thursday August 24 2023 10:59:52PM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] other Marques
>
> Thanks. Not my fault, but I feel bad when have to deal with people who
> create problems
>
> Ira Erbs
> Milwaukie, OR
> 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
> 1967 MGB Roadster
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 8:48 PM <m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> Ira, don?t apologize, you did what all but one of us would do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mirek
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of* i erbs
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2023 8:14 PM
>> *To:* Leonard Berkowitz <DrBerkowitz at hotmail.com>
>> *Cc:* Ahealey help <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] other Marques
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry trying ignite this.
>>
>> I just don't understand his deal with me.
>>
>> Thanks everyone
>>
>> Ira Erbs
>> Milwaukie, OR
>> 1959 Austin Healey 100-6
>> 1967 MGB Roadster
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 3:58 PM Leonard Berkowitz via Healeys <
>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>>
>>
>> Just want to add my two cents.  I have on many occasions posed questions
>> about my 1950 Dodge, my '98 Jag or my C6 Corvette.  Nobody ever
>> complained.  Actually, the list was very helpful when I did post these
>> questions and I was very grateful for the help I received. Yes, my main
>> love and topic is my '63 BJ7 but so what! The other cars count also.
>>
>>
>>
>> Len Berkowitz
>>
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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 25 21:35:01 2023
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:35:01 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] attempt to remove me from the list
Message-ID: <CABXhz8-tN8rxLbauKpw_5+saTSB+DoybrMK5TgXHsQeruHBC6w@mail.gmail.com>

I just got notified that someone submitting a request to remove me from the
team.net Healey list...
Pretty childish
Ira Erbs
Milwaukie,OR
      _______                                  _______
     (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
         (_________________________)
          BT7 engine and disk brakes


1967 MGB  [image: MG]

A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words
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From manifold at telus.net  Sat Aug 26 13:45:32 2023
From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2023 12:45:32 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Kilmartin Website
Message-ID: <CAFP1XCDEmSbg5rf3dzUJt0JtVgvhwbcOXjjTyTRumFnU4SPV2w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Is anyone else unable to connect to the Kilmartin Automotive
Sheetmetal website? I am wondering if the change in ownership meant a new
website? Is there any news to share about Kilmartin?

Harold
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From boyracer466 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 26 18:25:58 2023
From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (richard mayor)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2023 17:25:58 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Kilmartin Website
In-Reply-To: <CAFP1XCDEmSbg5rf3dzUJt0JtVgvhwbcOXjjTyTRumFnU4SPV2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFP1XCDEmSbg5rf3dzUJt0JtVgvhwbcOXjjTyTRumFnU4SPV2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <71497842-A5CB-4DA1-9082-5D09F63D351A@gmail.com>

The sale did not go through.  Greg Kilmartin is still running the show.  He is very  very slow to respond to emails. But, if you telephone him, he will answer the phone and he?s very nice to talk to.  


Richard Mayor
boyracer466 at gmail.com



> On Aug 26, 2023, at 12:45 PM, Harold Manifold <manifold at telus.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Is anyone else unable to connect to the Kilmartin Automotive Sheetmetal website? I am wondering if the change in ownership meant a new website? Is there any news to share about Kilmartin?
> 
> Harold
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From gmolony1 at bigpond.com  Sat Aug 26 18:29:03 2023
From: gmolony1 at bigpond.com (Graeme Molony)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 10:29:03 +1000
Subject: [Healeys] Kilmartin Website
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Message-ID: <A6393FA5E4C14264AACD8EF621CF15D0@GRAEMEDELL>

Hi Harold 

Not sure about the Web Site but Kilmartins are still operating with Greg and John at the helm> I think the proposed sale fell over and there continuing on. The old email address and phone contact numbers remain the same 

Cheers

Graeme ( BJ8 )  
 
Mt. Martha Vic



From: Harold Manifold 
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2023 5:45 AM
To: Healey List 
Subject: [Healeys] Kilmartin Website

Hello, 

Is anyone else unable to connect to the Kilmartin Automotive Sheetmetal website? I am wondering if the change in ownership meant a new website? Is there any news to share about Kilmartin?

Harold


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From guido36 at att.net  Sun Aug 27 07:25:54 2023
From: guido36 at att.net (Guy)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 14:25:54 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] Power steering for the AH 100
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From amc.a at hotmail.co.uk  Sun Aug 27 10:57:21 2023
From: amc.a at hotmail.co.uk (Adrian Cox)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 16:57:21 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Electric power steering
Message-ID: <GV1P251MB08411254724E6E86B4B3AD1FB2E1A@GV1P251MB0841.EURP251.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

The original steering box is not replaced with rack and pinion the original steering column is cut, a spigot is welded in place, and the electric motor unit is put on to the column with a clamp round the outer tube making it a rigid assembly this fits under the dash, you can alter the assistance given with a switch or a speed control driven from the Speedo cable .[image0.jpeg][image1.jpeg]
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From ah100tech at gmail.com  Sun Aug 27 13:41:29 2023
From: ah100tech at gmail.com (john harper)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 20:41:29 +0100
Subject: [Healeys] Electric power steering
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There are different steering boxes on the 100. BN1 and BN2. The image looks
like BN2. Are both versions available?

Can the trafficator/horn wiring tube still go through the centre of the
inner column?

Regards

On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 at 18:32, Adrian Cox via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> The original steering box is not replaced with rack and pinion the
> original steering column is cut, a spigot is welded in place, and the
> electric motor unit is put on to the column with a clamp round the outer
> tube making it a rigid assembly this fits under the dash, you can alter the
> assistance given with a switch or a speed control driven from the Speedo
> cable .[image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
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From healey.nut at gmail.com  Sun Aug 27 17:42:54 2023
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 07:42:54 +0800
Subject: [Healeys] Power steering for the AH 100
In-Reply-To: <D85EF0EF-77ED-4552-8FCA-9549C76A4C0E@att.net>
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This gives you an idea of what the installation will look like

https://www.ezpowersteering.nl/type/161/20/Austin-Healey_100-6.html

On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 10:59?PM Guy via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I have posted this on a couple of other Healey forums and thought it
> should be included here?.
>
> This just came into my email - electric power steering for the AH100.  Electric
> power steering has been around for a while now and has and is been used by
> mainstream manufacturers.  It has been available to the aftermarket,
> notably for street rod applications, but this is the first I have seen for
> an Austin Healey.  I would certainly like to know how this is fitted to
> the 100 and how the rack and pinion replaces the stock steering with it?s
> lance of a steering column.  Does this entail replacing the column with U
> joints and splined shafts for a collapsible multipart steering.  What
> think ye of the idea?
>
>
>
> Electric Power Steering Conversion Kit for Austin Healey 100-4
> <https://www.holden.co.uk/p/electric-power-steering-conversion-kit-for-austin-healey-100-4-1?s?utm_source=mailchimp&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=w34_holden_retail_ez_power_steering>
> holden.co.uk
> <https://www.holden.co.uk/p/electric-power-steering-conversion-kit-for-austin-healey-100-4-1?s?utm_source=mailchimp&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=w34_holden_retail_ez_power_steering>
> [image: apple-icon-180x180.png]
> <https://www.holden.co.uk/p/electric-power-steering-conversion-kit-for-austin-healey-100-4-1?s?utm_source=mailchimp&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=w34_holden_retail_ez_power_steering>
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From stmiller96 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 29 17:01:52 2023
From: stmiller96 at hotmail.com (S and T Miller)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 23:01:52 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] AHSTC ENCOUNTER
Message-ID: <PH7P221MB1007705E214D630C30FD1338D4E7A@PH7P221MB1007.NAMP221.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

If you missed this year's AHSTC ENCOUNTER,  you missed a good one. Mark your calendars for next year, September 15-18th, in Ocean City NJ! Hopefully the car show will be on the boardwalk again.

Shawn

The Millers

"Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test drive."
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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Wed Aug 30 11:37:43 2023
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2023 11:37:43 -0600
Subject: [Healeys] '69 Sprite
Message-ID: <d6f19585-a685-29c3-e8e8-6e3e113b44a8@porterscustom.com>

https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/d/albuquerque-1969-austin-healey-sprite/7660316717.html

-- 
Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM. 87107 ph 505-352-1378  My World go here: WWW.PORTERBIKES.COM/


From warthodson at aol.com  Wed Aug 30 14:57:16 2023
From: warthodson at aol.com (warthodson at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2023 20:57:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Oil pressure gage fitting
References: <1950836568.2250461.1693429036086.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1950836568.2250461.1693429036086@mail.yahoo.com>

What are the thread specifications for the adapter/fitting between the block & the oil press. gage flex line on a 100?I would like to know the TPI, thread form, and are the threads straight or tapered & anything else important that I forgot to ask about.Thanks,Gary Hodson
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From tomfelts at windstream.net  Thu Aug 31 07:37:33 2023
From: tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 09:37:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Healeys] Am I on track, or crazy:)
Message-ID: <1827674498.17047264.1693489053909.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>

OK---2 months ago, my BJ8 decided to shut off while I was driving----couldn't figure out why while sitting beside the road so had her towed home. Long story short--in the process of troubleshooting I have replaced may things--the coil, VR, fuel pump, ignition switch. cleaned the carbs--blew out the fuel lines, changed fuel filter (i have removed the internal filter and added an external one) . I THOUGHT that after the ignition switch was changed that I had found the problem--she ran beautifully for over a month. 

BUT----------2 days ago while driving------she shut down----sputtered for a short time them off----wouldn't start. AAA Tow home again. 

So I had another thought-------and this focuses on the theory that it is electrical. My thought was that maybe the cut-off switch had an internal problem such that it would open the wire leading from it to the coil. If it did, it would shut it down. The system would still be grounded through the many cut off switch. So, I disconnected the wire leading to the coil ( it doesn't need that anyway)-----and she has been purring ever since. Am I dreaming---or is this a possible cause? Is my thinking correct? I'm running low on AAA towing passes so don't want to go out on the road to test it yet. 


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From tomfelts at windstream.net  Thu Aug 31 07:41:29 2023
From: tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 09:41:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Healeys] Am I on track, or crazy:)  part 2
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After sending the first message---I thought of a way to check--all I had to do was see if there was spark at the plugs to see if the coil was working after she shut down-------too late now. so back to my first question. 


From: "Tom Felts" <tomfelts at windstream.net> 
To: "healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 9:37:33 AM 
Subject: Am I on track, or crazy:) 

OK---2 months ago, my BJ8 decided to shut off while I was driving----couldn't figure out why while sitting beside the road so had her towed home. Long story short--in the process of troubleshooting I have replaced may things--the coil, VR, fuel pump, ignition switch. cleaned the carbs--blew out the fuel lines, changed fuel filter (i have removed the internal filter and added an external one) . I THOUGHT that after the ignition switch was changed that I had found the problem--she ran beautifully for over a month. 

BUT----------2 days ago while driving------she shut down----sputtered for a short time them off----wouldn't start. AAA Tow home again. 

So I had another thought-------and this focuses on the theory that it is electrical. My thought was that maybe the cut-off switch had an internal problem such that it would open the wire leading from it to the coil. If it did, it would shut it down. The system would still be grounded through the many cut off switch. So, I disconnected the wire leading to the coil ( it doesn't need that anyway)-----and she has been purring ever since. Am I dreaming---or is this a possible cause? Is my thinking correct? I'm running low on AAA towing passes so don't want to go out on the road to test it yet. 

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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Thu Aug 31 08:06:45 2023
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 10:06:45 -0400
Subject: [Healeys] Am I on track, or crazy:)
In-Reply-To: <1827674498.17047264.1693489053909.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
References: <1827674498.17047264.1693489053909.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <CAB3i7LKr2rbTHZ7Bhp3bvdaSXsKiq+b6HrmBc0h3in1fKZEv0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Yes Tom, I  had a similar experience with a BJ8 on a delivery journey to
its new owner.
We had stuffed the boot full of my tool kit, our bags and all the spares
and paraphernalia that came with the car.
On the second day of the the journey the car died after going over a small
bump on the highway.
After extracting my tool kit from the boot, in order to diagnose the
problem, the car immediately restarted.
We repeated this exercise a couple of times over many miles before I
figured out the process of taking the tool kit out of where it was stored
in the right side of the boot was preventing the small white with black
wire, that had become disconnected from the master switch, from grounding
out on the inside of  rear shroud.
A real head scratcher for a while!!

M

On Thu., Aug. 31, 2023, 9:52 a.m. Tom Felts via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> OK---2 months ago, my BJ8 decided to shut off while I was
> driving----couldn't figure out why while sitting beside the road so had her
> towed home.  Long story short--in the process of troubleshooting I have
> replaced may things--the coil, VR, fuel pump, ignition switch. cleaned the
> carbs--blew out the fuel lines, changed fuel filter (i have removed the
> internal filter and added an external one) .  I THOUGHT that after the
> ignition switch was changed that I had found the problem--she ran
> beautifully for over a month.
>
> BUT----------2 days ago while driving------she shut down----sputtered for
> a short time them off----wouldn't start.  AAA Tow home again.
>
> So I had another thought-------and this focuses on the theory that it is
> electrical.  My thought was that maybe the cut-off switch had an internal
> problem such that it would open the wire leading from it to the coil.  If
> it did, it would shut it down.  The system would still be grounded through
> the many cut off switch.  So, I disconnected the wire leading to the coil (
> it doesn't need that anyway)-----and   she has been purring ever since.
> Am I dreaming---or is this a possible cause?  Is my thinking correct?  I'm
> running low on AAA towing passes so don't want to go out on the road to
> test it yet.
>
>
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Thu Aug 31 09:39:03 2023
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 08:39:03 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Am I on track, or crazy:)
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It's been years since I've had a cut-off switch apart, but I recall the 
internals being pretty robust (a couple large contactor plates). The way 
they could fail would be a build-up of corrosion, but that would likely 
occur over time and would probably affect starter cranking as well.

I'd suspect the condenser--if you have a points ignition system--or fuel 
delivery, new pump notwithstanding.

bs


On 8/31/2023 7:06 AM, Michael Salter via Healeys wrote:
> Yes Tom, I? had a similar experience with a BJ8 on a delivery journey 
> to its new owner.
> We had stuffed the boot full of my tool kit, our bags and all the 
> spares and paraphernalia that came with the car.
> On the second day of the the journey the car died after going over a 
> small bump on the highway.
> After extracting my tool kit from the boot, in order to diagnose the 
> problem, the car immediately restarted.
> We repeated this exercise a couple of times over many miles before I 
> figured out the process of taking the tool kit out of where it was 
> stored in the right side of the boot was preventing the small white 
> with black wire, that had become disconnected from the master switch, 
> from grounding out on the inside of? rear shroud.
> A real head scratcher for a while!!
>
> M
>
> On Thu., Aug. 31, 2023, 9:52 a.m. Tom Felts via Healeys, 
> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>     OK---2 months ago, my BJ8 decided to shut off while I was
>     driving----couldn't figure out why while sitting beside the road
>     so had her towed home.? Long story short--in the process of
>     troubleshooting I have replaced may things--the coil, VR, fuel
>     pump, ignition switch. cleaned the carbs--blew out the fuel lines,
>     changed fuel filter (i have removed the internal filter and added
>     an external one) .? I THOUGHT that after the ignition switch was
>     changed that I had found the problem--she ran beautifully for over
>     a month.
>
>     BUT----------2 days ago while driving------she shut
>     down----sputtered for a short time them off----wouldn't start.?
>     AAA Tow home again.
>
>     So I had another thought-------and this focuses on the theory that
>     it is electrical.? My thought was that maybe the cut-off switch
>     had an internal problem such that it would open the wire leading
>     from it to the coil.? If it did, it would shut it down.? The
>     system would still be grounded through the many cut off switch.?
>     So, I disconnected the wire leading to the coil ( it doesn't need
>     that anyway)-----and? ?she has been purring ever since.? ? Am I
>     dreaming---or is this a possible cause?? Is my thinking correct??
>     I'm running low on AAA towing passes so don't want to go out on
>     the road to test it yet.
>
>
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From phoenix722 at comcast.net  Thu Aug 31 11:46:04 2023
From: phoenix722 at comcast.net (Mike Sinclair)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 10:46:04 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Am I on track, or crazy:)
In-Reply-To: <CAB3i7LKr2rbTHZ7Bhp3bvdaSXsKiq+b6HrmBc0h3in1fKZEv0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1827674498.17047264.1693489053909.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net>
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Message-ID: <b195521b-d2cc-4e34-7dd6-c9badcb04db5@comcast.net>

My anti-theft wire is disconnected at both ends, and using an ohmmeter, 
both ends go to ground.? A good To-Do item!? Probably easiest to just 
run a new wire.

Mike

On 8/31/23 7:06 AM, Michael Salter via Healeys wrote:
> Yes Tom, I? had a similar experience with a BJ8 on a delivery journey 
> to its new owner.
> We had stuffed the boot full of my tool kit, our bags and all the 
> spares and paraphernalia that came with the car.
> On the second day of the the journey the car died after going over a 
> small bump on the highway.
> After extracting my tool kit from the boot, in order to diagnose the 
> problem, the car immediately restarted.
> We repeated this exercise a couple of times over many miles before I 
> figured out the process of taking the tool kit out of where it was 
> stored in the right side of the boot was preventing the small white 
> with black wire, that had become disconnected from the master switch, 
> from grounding out on the inside of? rear shroud.
> A real head scratcher for a while!!
>
> M
>
> On Thu., Aug. 31, 2023, 9:52 a.m. Tom Felts via Healeys, 
> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>     OK---2 months ago, my BJ8 decided to shut off while I was
>     driving----couldn't figure out why while sitting beside the road
>     so had her towed home.? Long story short--in the process of
>     troubleshooting I have replaced may things--the coil, VR, fuel
>     pump, ignition switch. cleaned the carbs--blew out the fuel lines,
>     changed fuel filter (i have removed the internal filter and added
>     an external one) .? I THOUGHT that after the ignition switch was
>     changed that I had found the problem--she ran beautifully for over
>     a month.
>
>     BUT----------2 days ago while driving------she shut
>     down----sputtered for a short time them off----wouldn't start.?
>     AAA Tow home again.
>
>     So I had another thought-------and this focuses on the theory that
>     it is electrical.? My thought was that maybe the cut-off switch
>     had an internal problem such that it would open the wire leading
>     from it to the coil.? If it did, it would shut it down.? The
>     system would still be grounded through the many cut off switch.?
>     So, I disconnected the wire leading to the coil ( it doesn't need
>     that anyway)-----and? ?she has been purring ever since.? ? Am I
>     dreaming---or is this a possible cause?? Is my thinking correct??
>     I'm running low on AAA towing passes so don't want to go out on
>     the road to test it yet.
>
>
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>     Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
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