[Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 313

Mon Oct 17 18:42:52 MDT 2022

 Massive Oil Leak    
I'd check the flexible oil pressure line that goes from the block to the firewall.  These get fragile with age and can start spouting oil if bumped when working on the right side of the motor.
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  1. massive oil leak (=?utf-8?Q?healeymanjim?=)
  2. Re: It's time to let it go (BJ8Healeys)
  3. Re: It's time to let it go (Perry Small)
  4. Re: massive oil leak (Stephen Hutchings)
  5. Re: massive oil leak (Bob Spidell)
  6. Re: Sheet metal suppliers (David Lodge)
  7. Re: massive oil leak (Harold Manifold)
  8. Re: Turn Signals (jim)
  9. Re: Turn Signals (Engl)
  10. Re: Turn Signals (john harper)
  11. Re: massive oil leak (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com)
changed oil in a club member's tri carb.  went to get gas and noticed lots of oil under car.  by the time i got back had lost about 4 qts or more of oil on a few mile drive.  coming from rear of engine and coming out bottom joint and cotter pin hole. was only a small drip before oil change.  assume it is coming from rear main, but could it fail that fast?  any other places to look?

The original owner of my BJ8told me the car was stolen from him the same day he bought  it new.  Policefound it early the next morning, out of gas and the perps took his portableradio, but otherwise the car was fine.  I have the newspaper article about thetheft.

In 2007, the owner of a BJ8asked If the BJ8 Registry had any record of 40136.   It was stolen from him in1970 and at the time was not insured.  I did not have any record of it, butadded it to the registry with the info he provided.  I saw it come up for saleby a dealer in 2012 and notified him.  He was able to recover it, 42 yearsafter it was stolen.  

Most owners of Healeys areinterested in the previous ownership history of their cars, but there is noother place except the  BJ8 Registry (for BJ8s, of course) where the continuousownership record can be documented and preserved for those who come after us. It makes it possible for one owner of a car to contact the other owners if theywish to do so.

Anyone with a BJ8 who has notallowed me to include it in the registry should do so.  You never know.  TheRegistry currently documents more than 55% of total BJ8 production (9,767 of17,712 cars built).

Steve Byers

HBJ8L/36666

BJ8 Registry

AHCA Delegate at Large

Havelock, NC  

From: Healeys[mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of m.g.sharp--- viaHealeys
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2022 1:05 PM
To: 'i erbs'; 'Jim Ryan'
Cc: 'List Healey'
Subject: Re: [Healeys] It's time to let it go

I bought my BT7 48 years ago from adelightful Irishman. He had bought it new.  Unfortunately died a few yearsago but when he was still around I would visit him periodically and over aglass of sherry (or two) he would recall stories about the car while in hisownership.  One recollection was that while working late one evening inhis Toronto office (he was an engineer), he heard a Healey start up and to hishorror watched out the window as someone tore out of the parking lot in hiscar.  He feared the worst as there had been a rash of sports car theftsand the kids who were stealing were joyriding for a few hours then driving theminto Lake Ontario.

The car was found by the police later thatnight on Lakeshore Road – out of gas.  The car probably dodged a bulletthat night.

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> OnBehalf Of i erbs
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] It's time to let it go

Years ago a friends corvair convertible wasstolen. When he got it back it had been detailed, the top was fixed and it hada full tank of gas...

On Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 6:11 AM Jim Ryan viaHealeys <healeys at autox.team.net>wrote:

Speaking of themes...

That BJ 7 I bought in 1974 was stolen aweek after I got it, no insurance.3 months later I had moved and was gettingready to go look at an MGB for sale when I thought I would give the Bostonpolice one more call. They said they were glad to hear from me because theyfound the car a month ago, but because I had moved they had no way to get aholdof me. So I took a bus and hitched a ride out to Groton Massachusetts where Ifound it sitting at a gas station. Funny thing was,  it was also full ofcamping equipment, that wasn't there when it got stolen. Everything was in thecar my tools, nick-nacks, the only thing that was damaged was the trunk lockand the ignition. I guess they would just turn the battery off to stop it, thenturn it on to start it up.

On Fri, Oct 14, 2022, 12:02 PM ChristopherMoog via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>wrote:

What is this arunning theme. I purchased a BJ7 in the mid 1990s. Started restoring. Movedseveral times. When I retrieved it from a rental garage (four years ago afterhaving stored it five years) the interior had been stolen. It was in separateboxes waiting for me to finish the body. So now I have no seats, carpets, doorcards or interior trim. It was all leather and worth several grand. That tookthe steam out of me finishing the car. 

I'm retiring this spring so I hope to put the time (and money) into get itdone. Well see if this happens or if I too end up selling and enjoying adifferent car. Though I could give it to a 20 something nephew has the skill tofinish it. He is not yet shown interest in something like that, he's more intomid-80s pick-up trucks. But tastes change.

Good luck with the paring down of projects. Life gets shorter and we all haveto decide what we want to spend our time doing. Driving a Bugeye is a lot morefun to most people than restoring a car.

On 10/14/2022 9:10 AM, Jim Ryan wrote:

Sorry, fat fingered that last email. 

What I was going to say was how similaryour story is to mine. I bought a BJ 7 in 1974, never really fully restored itas I wanted to, and neither of my son's wanted it. So I ended up selling it forwhat I could get about four years ago and picked up a little Bugeye driver. Istill have it and in some ways enjoying it more than the big Healy.

Anyway, what part of New Hampshire are youin? I'm on the Seacoast.

On Fri, Oct 14, 2022, 9:06 AM Jim Ryan <ryan at jimryan.com> wrote:

Hey Kent,  

On Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 3:32 PM Kent McLean<kentmclean at comcast.net>wrote:

I've owned my1956 100 since April of 1974. I bought it with the intention of restoring it,but life has gotten in the way and it is still waiting for my attention. It iswith a heavy heart that I've resigned myself to passing along the dream. Contact me off-list, subject line BN2, and I'll give you the details. Firstdetail: it is located in New Hampshire, USA. The list has first dibs; if itdoesn't sell here, it goes to eBay.

Kent McLean
'56 100 and '60 Bugeye

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ListersWe have 57 years under our seatbelts in the red car, our 1955 BN2. As far as I know never stolen or badly abused during the first 10 years of its existence. But must say the body required repair when it was purchased. The factory didn’t spend a lot of money on paint back then. IN 1965 it was really a big deal to fork out $275 US for a 10 year old car. Had a lot of fun over the years and it has enabled a lot of great long lasting friendships. Memories!!!!Perry

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The original owner of my BJ8told me the car was stolen from him the same day he bought  it new.  Policefound it early the next morning, out of gas and the perps took his portableradio, but otherwise the car was fine.  I have the newspaper article about thetheft.

In 2007, the owner of a BJ8asked If the BJ8 Registry had any record of 40136.   It was stolen from him in1970 and at the time was not insured.  I did not have any record of it, butadded it to the registry with the info he provided.  I saw it come up for saleby a dealer in 2012 and notified him.  He was able to recover it, 42 yearsafter it was stolen.  

Most owners of Healeys areinterested in the previous ownership history of their cars, but there is noother place except the  BJ8 Registry (for BJ8s, of course) where the continuousownership record can be documented and preserved for those who come after us. It makes it possible for one owner of a car to contact the other owners if theywish to do so.

Anyone with a BJ8 who has notallowed me to include it in the registry should do so.  You never know.  TheRegistry currently documents more than 55% of total BJ8 production (9,767 of17,712 cars built).

Steve Byers

HBJ8L/36666

BJ8 Registry

AHCA Delegate at Large

Havelock, NC  

From: Healeys[mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of m.g.sharp--- viaHealeys
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2022 1:05 PM
To: 'i erbs'; 'Jim Ryan'
Cc: 'List Healey'
Subject: Re: [Healeys] It's time to let it go

I bought my BT7 48 years ago from adelightful Irishman. He had bought it new.  Unfortunately died a few yearsago but when he was still around I would visit him periodically and over aglass of sherry (or two) he would recall stories about the car while in hisownership.  One recollection was that while working late one evening inhis Toronto office (he was an engineer), he heard a Healey start up and to hishorror watched out the window as someone tore out of the parking lot in hiscar.  He feared the worst as there had been a rash of sports car theftsand the kids who were stealing were joyriding for a few hours then driving theminto Lake Ontario.

The car was found by the police later thatnight on Lakeshore Road – out of gas.  The car probably dodged a bulletthat night.

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> OnBehalf Of i erbs
Sent: October 15, 2022 12:17 PM
To: Jim Ryan <ryan at jimryan.com>
Cc: List Healey <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] It's time to let it go

Years ago a friends corvair convertible wasstolen. When he got it back it had been detailed, the top was fixed and it hada full tank of gas...

On Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 6:11 AM Jim Ryan viaHealeys <healeys at autox.team.net>wrote:

Speaking of themes...

That BJ 7 I bought in 1974 was stolen aweek after I got it, no insurance.3 months later I had moved and was gettingready to go look at an MGB for sale when I thought I would give the Bostonpolice one more call. They said they were glad to hear from me because theyfound the car a month ago, but because I had moved they had no way to get aholdof me. So I took a bus and hitched a ride out to Groton Massachusetts where Ifound it sitting at a gas station. Funny thing was,  it was also full ofcamping equipment, that wasn't there when it got stolen. Everything was in thecar my tools, nick-nacks, the only thing that was damaged was the trunk lockand the ignition. I guess they would just turn the battery off to stop it, thenturn it on to start it up.

On Fri, Oct 14, 2022, 12:02 PM ChristopherMoog via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>wrote:

What is this arunning theme. I purchased a BJ7 in the mid 1990s. Started restoring. Movedseveral times. When I retrieved it from a rental garage (four years ago afterhaving stored it five years) the interior had been stolen. It was in separateboxes waiting for me to finish the body. So now I have no seats, carpets, doorcards or interior trim. It was all leather and worth several grand. That tookthe steam out of me finishing the car. 

I'm retiring this spring so I hope to put the time (and money) into get itdone. Well see if this happens or if I too end up selling and enjoying adifferent car. Though I could give it to a 20 something nephew has the skill tofinish it. He is not yet shown interest in something like that, he's more intomid-80s pick-up trucks. But tastes change.

Good luck with the paring down of projects. Life gets shorter and we all haveto decide what we want to spend our time doing. Driving a Bugeye is a lot morefun to most people than restoring a car.

On 10/14/2022 9:10 AM, Jim Ryan wrote:

Sorry, fat fingered that last email. 

What I was going to say was how similaryour story is to mine. I bought a BJ 7 in 1974, never really fully restored itas I wanted to, and neither of my son's wanted it. So I ended up selling it forwhat I could get about four years ago and picked up a little Bugeye driver. Istill have it and in some ways enjoying it more than the big Healy.

Anyway, what part of New Hampshire are youin? I'm on the Seacoast.

On Fri, Oct 14, 2022, 9:06 AM Jim Ryan <ryan at jimryan.com> wrote:

Hey Kent,  

On Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 3:32 PM Kent McLean<kentmclean at comcast.net>wrote:

I've owned my1956 100 since April of 1974. I bought it with the intention of restoring it,but life has gotten in the way and it is still waiting for my attention. It iswith a heavy heart that I've resigned myself to passing along the dream. Contact me off-list, subject line BN2, and I'll give you the details. Firstdetail: it is located in New Hampshire, USA. The list has first dibs; if itdoesn't sell here, it goes to eBay.

Kent McLean
'56 100 and '60 Bugeye

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Make sure the oil filter is sealed properly=E2=80=A6the trail from a =
leaking filter can be misleading.

Stephen, BJ8

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Stock 'seal' or aftermarket upgrade?

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> changed oil in a club member's tri carb.  went to get gas and noticed lots of oil under car.  by the time i got back had lost about 4 qts or more of oil on a few mile drive.  coming from rear of engine and coming out bottom joint and cotter pin hole. was only a small drip before oil change.  assume it is coming from rear main, but could it fail that fast?  any other places to look?
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 Some are much better than others but none are perfect matches to the original and ALL have needed fettling to a greater or lesser degree, in my experience. My particular bugbear 
are the narrow flanges that seem to be obligatory on all.  Having said all that, Kilmartin are quite good.

    On Friday, 14 October 2022 at 16:09:39 GMT-7, Harold Manifold <manifold at telus.net> wrote:  

 I have purchased sheet metal parts from Ah Spares, A Head for Healeys and Kilmartin and would rate Kilmartin as the best one.
Harold
On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 10:27 AM S and T Miller <stmiller96 at hotmail.com> wrote:

I have always been satisfied with sheet metal from both British car specialists and AHspares. There are a few things I'd like to order the are only currently offered by Ahead4healeys.  It appears their sheet metal is made by their own (owned) company shapecraft. I have zero experience with them. I'd like to get some thoughts on quality? Emailing off list is perfectly fine if preferred. TIA. 
The Millers

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  Double check the drain plug. Try a new copper gasket and check the drain plug flange on the oil pan for burrs or nicks. Touch up with a file if required. If the engine is original there is no rear main seal to fail just the infamous archimedes screw and it is unlikely to fail catastrophically.
Harold
On Sat, Oct 15, 2022 at 5:26 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

Stock 'seal' or aftermarket upgrade?

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> changed oil in a club member's tri carb.   went to get gas and noticed lots of oil under car.  by the time i got back had lost about 4 qts or more of oil on a few mile drive.  coming from rear of engine and coming out bottom joint and cotter pin hole. was only a small drip before oil change.  assume it is coming from rear main, but could it fail that fast?   any other places to look?
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  . As the signal light flashers ground through the signal lights, there has to be something to provide a higher resistance than pure LED’s.

> 

Are you SURE you mean "higher resistance than pure LED's?    

Back in the old days signal flashers were composed of (among other things) with a "bi-metallic strip".  The purpose of said strip was to bend when heated by current flowing through an associated heating element and interrupt (flash) the bulbs.  If normal signal bulbs (1157 type) operated at nominal 2 amperes current flow, 2 in parallel (front and rear per side) flow 4 amps would flow through the flasher.   A standard single junction LED can "light" with around 20 milliamperes of current.  High current LEDs or LEDs with associated ballast resistors are necessary to flow the MUCH higher current needed by the non-electronic flasher
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  Hi Jim
You are 100% corr=ect. I should have said lower resistance. 
V=3D=IR and all that. 
Thanks. 

Bob England

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 =20  . As the signal light flashers groun=d through the signal lights, there has to be something to provide a higher r=esistance than pure LED=E2=80=99s.

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=Jim
I fully agree with your description of an 'old' flasher unit but it was not a bi-metal strip but a wire under tension that extended and lost its tension when current went through it and cut off the current, similar to a bi-metal strip. The wire then cooled and shrank allowing the current to flow again.
On Sun, 16 Oct 2022 at 04:55, Engl <engl at accesscomm.ca> wrote:

Hi Jim
You are 100% correct. I should have said lower resistance. 
V=IR and all that. 
Thanks. 

Bob England

On Oct 15, 2022, at 8:17 PM, jim <ab7vf at yahoo.com> wrote:

  . As the signal light flashers ground through the signal lights, there has to be something to provide a higher resistance than pure LED’s.

> 

Are you SURE you mean "higher resistance than pure LED's?    

Back in the old days signal flashers were composed of (among other things) with a "bi-metallic strip".  The purpose of said strip was to bend when heated by current flowing through an associated heating element and interrupt (flash) the bulbs.  If normal signal bulbs (1157 type) operated at nominal 2 amperes current flow, 2 in parallel (front and rear per side) flow 4 amps would flow through the flasher.   A standard single junction LED can "light" with around 20 milliamperes of current.  High current LEDs or LEDs with associated ballast resistors are necessary to flow the MUCH higher current needed by the non-electronic flasher
Jim
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Agreed. Anything to do with the oil filter can be very messy indeed. =
Done that!
Simon

-----Original Message-----
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Stephen =
Hutchings via Healeys
Sent: 15 October 2022 23:29
To: healeymanjim <healeymanjim at hansencc.net>
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] massive oil leak

Make sure the oil filter is sealed properly=E2=80=A6the trail from a =
leaking filter can be misleading.

Stephen, BJ8

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