[Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100

Fri Oct 7 00:38:37 MDT 2022

Please only comment if you know the traffic situation here in Central Europe. I also do not allow myself
 to make any statements about the situation in the USA or Canada. We live here in narrow conurbations 
and the traffic on country roads should not be underestimated. Places are usually a maximum of 10km apart.

The next time you are in Europe, drive a car on our European country roads or motorways and you will 
find that the traffic situations and road conditions are completely different than in a country as 
large as the USA or Canada. As a driver, you are quickly overwhelmed if you are not used to it. 
Unfortunately, we have a lot of older people here who can no longer cope with this traffic situation 
and are extremely dangerous to themselves and their environment. In our area we have accidents like 
this every month. And this described accident is typical. There is nothing wrong with being able to 
drive a car as an older person. However, the accident described is the typical accident without 
external influence - probably a health weakness caused by being overwhelmed, as we often have here. 
Unfortunately, bystanders are often injured or even fatally injured in an accident.

Josef Eckert

PS: Those from the US who are commng over to the European Healey Event 2023 
(Geiranger) may realise, they need to drive in different situations as they 
are used to, at least when passing Belgium, The Netherlands, France, 
Germany, Denmark.

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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100
Datum: 2022-10-07T00:31:18+0200
Von: "David Nock BCS" <healeydoc at sbcglobal.net>
An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" <josef-eckert at t-online.de>, "Jim Ryan" 
<ryan at jimryan.com>

So I assume that you know that his driving ability was the cause of the 
accident. Maybe someone or something was in the road and he tried to avoid 
it, or maybe there was a mechanical failure.

Are you will to give up your license at a set age no matter your physical 
health.

If you are assuming it was his age then how about you set an age that 
everyone has to stop driving and see how far that goes

I know many people well into there 80s that are perfectly safe drivers.

David Nock

From: josef-eckert--- via Healeys
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2022 12:32 PM
To: Jim Ryan
Cc: Forum Healey
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100

Yes, please forward my comment to his family.
This person hasn´t recognizsed his limits and was a danger for other people 
on the road, drivers, bikers and cyclists, and even pedestrians, which are 
on our rural roads as well and also want to live and be not hurt by such a 
person.
Sorry, no mercy at all from my side.

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Datum: 2022-10-06T21:15:03+0200
Von: "Jim Ryan" <ryan at jimryan.com>
An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" <josef-eckert at t-online.de>

Well, THAT was harsh.  You might want to forward that to his family just so 
they know how you feel about him.  When exactly is it you think  we should 
all stop driving?  Is it 75?  80?  I'm 71, I just want to get your advice 
on what age I'm endangering other people.

That was easily the most insensitive posting I have ever seen on this list.

On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 11:52 AM josef-eckert--- via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
  To be honest, I have no respect for such a person, or better 82 years old
  fart who brought others in danger with his driving. Thankfully no other
  person was invoved and injured.

  Its very common all over in central Europe to have these ditches, trees
  or even walls along country roads. That is how we love it.

  For big money you can book in to take part in one of these leasure
  raĺlys, where you get all accomodation organised, only you have to come
  from a to b along. these rallys are mainly booked from those mainly
  elderly people who do not know what to do otherwise with their money,
  even they are completely overextended by driving an old classic car.

  One should be wise enough to give up driving, when you are no more
  capable to drive.

  I am only sorry about the wrecked Austin-Healey.

  Josef Eckert
  konigswinter/GERMANY

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  Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100

  Datum: 2022-10-06T10:31:49+0200

  Von: "Michael Oritt" <michael.oritt at gmail.com>

  An: "Michael Salter" <michaelsalter at gmail.com>

  Michael--

  Most of them weren't "open" ditches--they were filled with rocks.  

  I fondly recall the time we missed a left-hander, went off the road,
  somehow hurtled OVER the ditch and landed in a tree in a fellow's front
  yard.  As I remember it he stood there rather stunned while we cleared
  the branches out of the wheel openings, then hopped into the car and took
  off without much conversation.

  Best--Michael Oritt

  On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 10:36 PM Michael Salter via Healeys <
  healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

  "all the roads are surrounded by open drainage ditches."

  Just like Newfoundland which for me was a major factor in giving up on
  the Targa there.

  M

  On Wed., Oct. 5, 2022, 1:06 a.m. Alan Seigrist via Healeys, <
  mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

  Italian roads are amazing for driving through beautiful countryside, but
  they are deadly because all the roads are surrounded by open drainage
  ditches.

  On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 at 3:27 AM, Richard Kahn via Healeys <
  healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

  I saw this yesterday. Very sad on so many levels. I was wondering if this
  is the drive a number of the Southern California Healey Association
  members are on in Europe at this moment.

  From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Randy Hicks
  via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 5:40 AM
  To: Healey List <healeys at autox.team.net>
  Subject: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100

  Awful. 

  <https://www.the-sun.com/news/6355269/british-expat-killed-horror-crash-rally-austin-healey/>

  Randy

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