From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  1 21:37:56 2022
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 20:37:56 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] BN1/2 Windscreen Assembly
Message-ID: <CAL4ZEOMR0pUThVLhd4kn9nW+bb6gkfkr2UKZNhiEBe_zkcvFgA@mail.gmail.com>

Is there any tutorials on the assembly of the BN1/2 windscreen.  I had all
the chrome plated parts done and have a Triplex glass windscreen (thanks
Curt A) and rubber strip for fitting the glass to the chrome channels.  Of
course I know the windshield pillars must be screwed to the two side chrome
frame channels before assembly.  That's about as far as I got.  Any help
here?
Mike MacLean
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Wed Feb  2 07:00:22 2022
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 09:00:22 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] BN1/2 Windscreen Assembly
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That can be a bear of a job, particularly if you have mis-matched parts.
I would recommend assembling the entire thing and trial fitting it to the
car before installing the glass.
You MUST use the correct thickness of "Everseal" or whatever brand of
seating tape you have, 2 layers + the glass thickness = the width of the
channel.
Measure and carefully mark the centers of all channels and the sides of the
glass.
Be very sure that none of the corner bracket screws are too long.
Lots of engine oil on the sealing tape to make it swell after installation.
Take your time.

Good luck.

M

On Tue., Feb. 1, 2022, 11:38 p.m. Michael MacLean via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Is there any tutorials on the assembly of the BN1/2 windscreen.  I had all
> the chrome plated parts done and have a Triplex glass windscreen (thanks
> Curt A) and rubber strip for fitting the glass to the chrome channels.  Of
> course I know the windshield pillars must be screwed to the two side chrome
> frame channels before assembly.  That's about as far as I got.  Any help
> here?
> Mike MacLean
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From gmcharris at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  2 13:51:50 2022
From: gmcharris at hotmail.com (george mcharris)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 20:51:50 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] BN1/BN2 Windscreen assembly...It's a bear !!! take
 the assembly to a specialist.
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   1. BN1/2 Windscreen Assembly (Michael MacLean)
   2. Re: BN1/2 Windscreen Assembly (Michael Salter)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 20:37:56 -0800
From: Michael MacLean <springer.mike51 at gmail.com>
To: Ahealey help <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] BN1/2 Windscreen Assembly
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Is there any tutorials on the assembly of the BN1/2 windscreen.  I had all
the chrome plated parts done and have a Triplex glass windscreen (thanks
Curt A) and rubber strip for fitting the glass to the chrome channels.  Of
course I know the windshield pillars must be screwed to the two side chrome
frame channels before assembly.  That's about as far as I got.  Any help
here?
Mike MacLean
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN1/2 Windscreen Assembly
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That can be a bear of a job, particularly if you have mis-matched parts.
I would recommend assembling the entire thing and trial fitting it to the
car before installing the glass.
You MUST use the correct thickness of "Everseal" or whatever brand of
seating tape you have, 2 layers + the glass thickness = the width of the
channel.
Measure and carefully mark the centers of all channels and the sides of the
glass.
Be very sure that none of the corner bracket screws are too long.
Lots of engine oil on the sealing tape to make it swell after installation.
Take your time.

Good luck.

M

On Tue., Feb. 1, 2022, 11:38 p.m. Michael MacLean via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Is there any tutorials on the assembly of the BN1/2 windscreen.  I had all
> the chrome plated parts done and have a Triplex glass windscreen (thanks
> Curt A) and rubber strip for fitting the glass to the chrome channels.  Of
> course I know the windshield pillars must be screwed to the two side chrome
> frame channels before assembly.  That's about as far as I got.  Any help
> here?
> Mike MacLean
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From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Fri Feb  4 15:56:32 2022
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 14:56:32 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Rubber Strip
Message-ID: <CAL4ZEON76jSZsc+NB9MqeZxJ9Tu2gJoMK+Yeiz8YWBmTTzJt0A@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone know where to get the 1/8th by 5/16ths rubber strip required to sit
in the chrome channel for windscreen glas installation?  Grainger and
McMaster Carr, if I am interpreting the catalog correctly,  want a fortune
for it by the foot.
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From lawrence.swift at gmail.com  Fri Feb  4 17:52:53 2022
From: lawrence.swift at gmail.com (Team.net)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 19:52:53 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Rubber Strip
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Try your local glass shop.

> On Feb 4, 2022, at 17:57, Michael MacLean via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Anyone know where to get the 1/8th by 5/16ths rubber strip required to sit in the chrome channel for windscreen glas installation?  Grainger and McMaster Carr, if I am interpreting the catalog correctly,  want a fortune for it by the foot.
> Mike MacLean
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From manifold at telus.net  Fri Feb  4 18:48:38 2022
From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 17:48:38 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Fri Feb  4 18:55:54 2022
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 20:55:54 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
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I got exactly the correct stuff from A H Spares

M

On Fri., Feb. 4, 2022, 8:54 p.m. Harold Manifold via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
>
> I have 4 red original glass Lucas L594 Red Beehive tail light lens.
> Unfortunately no two match. The colour is either different, faded or
> starting to peel off. Has anyone has good success stripping the old red and
> then recoating with a new red?
>
>
>
> I know you can buy new but these are original and I would like to reuse
> them. Any tips or suggestions are appreciated. What type of coating is
> recommended.
>
>
>
> Thanks?.. Harold
>
>
>
>
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From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca  Sat Feb  5 05:58:57 2022
From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2022 07:58:57 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Rubber Strip
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Mike, when Rich Chrysler did the windscreen on my BT7 he got the rubber strip from Spaenaur  https://spaenaur.com

I recall Rich telling me this was rubber designed for windscreens and I think he coated it with an oil which swelled the rubber and firmly sealed the glass in the channel.  I recall Rich saying there was a limited working time so have everything laid out and perhaps do a dry run before the final install.  This is from memory so I hope I am not misleading you.  You'll have to look through their catalogue to find the right stuff.  I think they have outlets in the states.

Cheers, Mirek


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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Rubber Strip

Try your local glass shop.

> On Feb 4, 2022, at 17:57, Michael MacLean via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Anyone know where to get the 1/8th by 5/16ths rubber strip required to sit in the chrome channel for windscreen glas installation?  Grainger and McMaster Carr, if I am interpreting the catalog correctly,  want a fortune for it by the foot.
> Mike MacLean
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From ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz  Sat Feb  5 15:27:48 2022
From: ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz (Mark Donaldson)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2022 11:27:48 +1300
Subject: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
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Harold,

 

Your comment about the colour ?peeling off? puzzles me.

I agree that the red beehive lens does come in a small variety of shades ? some quite dark ? but mine are all red glass right through.  No red coating.

I know this as one lens is chipped and it is red glass under the surface.

Unfortunately, this does not solve your problem.

I think best to go with Michael?s suggestion and buy a set of four new matching ones.

 

That said, it is a problem not only with the red lenses ? I have five orange L594 lenses and only two are the same.  So much for ?quality control?, eh?

 

Mark

 

Ardmore

NZ

 

From: Harold Manifold <manifold at telus.net> 
Sent: Saturday, 5 February 2022 2:49 PM
To: Ken Fleming via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens

 

Hello,

 

I have 4 red original glass Lucas L594 Red Beehive tail light lens. Unfortunately no two match. The colour is either different, faded or starting to peel off. 

Has anyone has good success stripping the old red and then recoating with a new red?

 

I know you can buy new but these are original and I would like to reuse them. Any tips or suggestions are appreciated. What type of coating is recommended.

 

Thanks?.. Harold

 

 

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From healeyguy at aol.com  Sat Feb  5 16:11:41 2022
From: healeyguy at aol.com (Perry Small)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2022 18:11:41 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
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Message-ID: <EC670D4E-5CDD-4141-B695-DE302D8A45DE@aol.com>

Harold
After seeing Marks response I reread your email. The Lucas red lens were made of red glass not coated. True, the red color varies. 
Photo attached.
Perry

> 
> ?
> Harold,
>  
> Your comment about the colour ?peeling off? puzzles me.
> I agree that the red beehive lens does come in a small variety of shades ? some quite dark ? but mine are all red glass right through.  No red coating.
>  
> Mark
>  
> Ardmore
> NZ
>  
> From: Harold Manifold <manifold at telus.net> 
> Sent: Saturday, 5 February 2022 2:49 PM
> To: Ken Fleming via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
>  
> Hello,
>  
> I have 4 red original glass Lucas L594 Red Beehive tail light lens. Unfortunately no two match. The colour is either different, faded or starting to peel off.
> Has anyone has good success stripping the old red and then recoating with a new red?
>  
> I know you can buy new but these are original and I would like to reuse them. Any tips or suggestions are appreciated. What type of coating is recommended.
>  
> Thanks?.. Harold
>  



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From healeyguy at aol.com  Sat Feb  5 16:41:57 2022
From: healeyguy at aol.com (Perry Small)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2022 18:41:57 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
References: <6A30C9F6-71F5-434D-B29F-7BBC31662C5E.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6A30C9F6-71F5-434D-B29F-7BBC31662C5E@aol.com>

My lovely wife (Quality Control) informed me that the photo I sent a few minutes ago on this subject had a plastic lens included. Right side center.  My bad.
P

Sent from my iPhone

From manifold at telus.net  Sat Feb  5 17:15:12 2022
From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2022 16:15:12 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
In-Reply-To: <EC670D4E-5CDD-4141-B695-DE302D8A45DE@aol.com>
References: <EC670D4E-5CDD-4141-B695-DE302D8A45DE.ref@aol.com>,
 <EC670D4E-5CDD-4141-B695-DE302D8A45DE@aol.com>
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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Sat Feb  5 20:08:20 2022
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2022 19:08:20 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
In-Reply-To: <EC670D4E-5CDD-4141-B695-DE302D8A45DE@aol.com>
References: <EC670D4E-5CDD-4141-B695-DE302D8A45DE.ref@aol.com>
 <EC670D4E-5CDD-4141-B695-DE302D8A45DE@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CABXhz88wG4t4VVzxER33zAq4AbA0Mb=smhDLS0H6jK33A=9m7w@mail.gmail.com>

I have two red behive lenses and the red is in fact peeling off.

Ira Erbs
1959 AH 100-6
1967 MGB
Milwaukie, OR

On Sat, Feb 5, 2022, 3:12 PM Perry Small via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Harold
> After seeing Marks response I reread your email. The Lucas red lens were
> made of red glass not coated. True, the red color varies.
> Photo attached.
> Perry
>
>
> ?
>
> Harold,
>
>
>
> Your comment about the colour ?peeling off? puzzles me.
>
> I agree that the red beehive lens does come in a small variety of shades ?
> some quite dark ? but mine are all red glass right through.  *No red
> coating*.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> Ardmore
>
> NZ
>
>
>
> *From:* Harold Manifold <manifold at telus.net>
> *Sent:* Saturday, 5 February 2022 2:49 PM
> *To:* Ken Fleming via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I have 4 red original glass Lucas L594 Red Beehive tail light lens.
> Unfortunately no two match. The colour is either different, faded or
> starting to peel off.
>
> Has anyone has good success stripping the old red and then recoating with
> a new red?
>
>
>
> I know you can buy new but these are original and I would like to reuse
> them. Any tips or suggestions are appreciated. What type of coating is
> recommended.
>
>
>
> Thanks?.. Harold
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From healey.nut at gmail.com  Sat Feb  5 21:54:59 2022
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2022 12:54:59 +0800
Subject: [Healeys] The ultra rare BJ8.5 is up for sale finally
Message-ID: <CAFBXTkL+-hG5vzY-C2k81_-TcL+n6Z9DVe3dBbL5zwReKQnJHQ@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.ebay.com/itm/175139687056?hash=item28c7238a90:g:ZQsAAOSwwL1hy0Az
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From cgmoog at optonline.net  Sat Feb  5 22:21:29 2022
From: cgmoog at optonline.net (Christopher Moog)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2022 00:21:29 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] The ultra rare BJ8.5 is up for sale finally
In-Reply-To: <CAFBXTkL+-hG5vzY-C2k81_-TcL+n6Z9DVe3dBbL5zwReKQnJHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFBXTkL+-hG5vzY-C2k81_-TcL+n6Z9DVe3dBbL5zwReKQnJHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5d016ad4-69b2-7f02-2de8-6ed08d9b56b3@optonline.net>

You ruined it, I was hoping no one would see this and I could get a bargain.


On 2/5/2022 11:54 PM, Alan Seigrist via Healeys wrote:
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/175139687056?hash=item28c7238a90:g:ZQsAAOSwwL1hy0Az
>
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From healey53 at gmail.com  Sun Feb  6 08:24:42 2022
From: healey53 at gmail.com (Joseph Costa)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2022 10:24:42 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Steering wheel assembly
Message-ID: <CADigPhSvLGazHVS-Ad2+k-CXDiYuMkEGfJH0Lqhb+9tZmx-V+Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'm getting back to finishing the 100M.  I can't remember the order of the
steering wheel nut and the turn signal cancel "paw".  Does the paw go under
the nut or above the nut? And is it at the bottom or the top?  This is a
non adjustable column.  I am hoping to have it ready for the Pocono event.
TIA

Joe
BN1 #923 Coronet Cream
BN2 100M
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From s.hutchings at rogers.com  Sun Feb  6 10:42:50 2022
From: s.hutchings at rogers.com (Stephen Hutchings)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2022 12:42:50 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Identification required
References: <C0A2FCB8-FB2A-42A7-A54E-DB8E898FAF31.ref@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <C0A2FCB8-FB2A-42A7-A54E-DB8E898FAF31@rogers.com>

A friend has asked me to identify the sports car in an old family photo?and I?m stumped.
It actually bears a little resemblance to some of the non-dustin Healey, but doesn't have quite the Healey grille.
Anyone know what it is?

Stephen, BJ8

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From vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com  Sun Feb  6 10:51:26 2022
From: vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com (Jean Caron)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2022 17:51:26 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Identification required
In-Reply-To: <C0A2FCB8-FB2A-42A7-A54E-DB8E898FAF31@rogers.com>
References: <C0A2FCB8-FB2A-42A7-A54E-DB8E898FAF31.ref@rogers.com>
 <C0A2FCB8-FB2A-42A7-A54E-DB8E898FAF31@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR17MB2507696C5E5AF41C94058288D12B9@DM6PR17MB2507.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

This is an AC Buckland Sports, from the early 1950?s.

Jean

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Stephen Hutchings via Healeys<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: February 6, 2022 11:44 AM
To: healey Mail List<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Identification required

A friend has asked me to identify the sports car in an old family photo?and I?m stumped.
It actually bears a little resemblance to some of the non-dustin Healey, but doesn't have quite the Healey grille.
Anyone know what it is?

Stephen, BJ8


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From gradea1 at charter.net  Sun Feb  6 11:15:39 2022
From: gradea1 at charter.net (gradea1 at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2022 18:15:39 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Identification required
Message-ID: <8713e733cddc38c52ab101eb5dc964ec39265c80@webmail>

Notice the similarity to the Healey Westland Roadster shown here from
DMH book "My World of Cars" pg.84. Body built by Westland. On the left
is the Elliott sedan, with body by Elliott coach builders.
Healey liked those vertical bar grilles, as he assumed they expressed
elegance in design. It appears that someone else also like the same
configuration and shape. How Donald allowed the standard Austin grille
to be used on the 100-6 is a mystery-must have been out voted by the
design committee. Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: "Stephen Hutchings via
Healeys" 
To: "healey Mail List"
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday February 6 2022 9:44:56AM
Subject: [Healeys] Identification required

 A friend has asked me to identify the sports car in an old family
photo?and I?m stumped. It actually bears a little resemblance to
some of the non-dustin Healey, but doesn't have quite the Healey
grille. Anyone know what it is? 
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From larry at patersondesign.ca  Sun Feb  6 11:31:40 2022
From: larry at patersondesign.ca (larry at patersondesign.ca)
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2022 13:31:40 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Identification required
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR17MB2507696C5E5AF41C94058288D12B9@DM6PR17MB2507.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
References: <C0A2FCB8-FB2A-42A7-A54E-DB8E898FAF31.ref@rogers.com>
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Message-ID: <1644172300.boxrxxpnacg0cg84@email.xplornet.com>


	


Agreed,? the AC fits the bill better than my suggestion.

Larry


On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 17:51:26 +0000, Jean Caron via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
?

This is an AC Buckland Sports, from the early 1950?s.

?

Jean

?

Sent from  Mail for Windows

?


From: Stephen Hutchings via Healeys
Sent: February 6, 2022 11:44 AM
To: healey Mail List
Subject: [Healeys] Identification required


?


A friend has asked me to identify the sports car in an old family photo?and I?m stumped. 


It actually bears a little resemblance to some of the non-dustin Healey, but doesn't have quite the Healey grille.



Anyone know what it is?



?



Stephen, BJ8



?

?

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From p_cquinn at tpg.com.au  Sun Feb  6 13:29:40 2022
From: p_cquinn at tpg.com.au (Patrick & Caroline Quinn)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 07:29:40 +1100
Subject: [Healeys] Identification required
In-Reply-To: <8713e733cddc38c52ab101eb5dc964ec39265c80@webmail>
References: <8713e733cddc38c52ab101eb5dc964ec39265c80@webmail>
Message-ID: <004001d81b98$4676cf40$d3646dc0$@tpg.com.au>

G?day

 

The AC badge on the grille sort of gives it away.

 

The AC Buckland was introduced in 1948 with styling similar to other marques like Healey, Lea Francis and the like. It was powered by AC?s own two-litre six-cylinder engine and four-speed gearbox.

 

It was to be a few years before Shelby shoehorned a V8 into an AC Ace and called it a Cobra.

 

Hoo Roo

 

Patrick Quinn

Blue Mountains, Australia

 

From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Henry G Leach via Healeys
Sent: Monday, 7 February 2022 5:16 AM
To: 'Stephen Hutchings'
Cc: 'healey Mail List'
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Identification required

 

Notice the similarity to the Healey Westland Roadster shown here from DMH book "My World of Cars" pg.84.  Body built by Westland. On the left is the Elliott sedan, with body by Elliott coach builders.

 

Healey liked those vertical bar grilles, as he assumed they expressed elegance in design. It appears that someone else also like the same configuration and shape. How Donald allowed the standard Austin grille to be used on the 100-6 is a mystery-must have been out voted by the design committee. Hank

-----------------------------------------

From: "Stephen Hutchings via Healeys" 
To: "healey Mail List"
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday February 6 2022 9:44:56AM
Subject: [Healeys] Identification required

A friend has asked me to identify the sports car in an old family photo?and I?m stumped. 

It actually bears a little resemblance to some of the non-dustin Healey, but doesn't have quite the Healey grille.

Anyone know what it is?

 

Stephen, BJ8

 

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From healeyray at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  7 12:03:12 2022
From: healeyray at yahoo.com (Ray Juncal)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 19:03:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite
References: <1817065188.1091088.1644260592395.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1817065188.1091088.1644260592395@mail.yahoo.com>

Penrite seems to be the recommended steering box lube. Who is the source for a small amount? Is there a US dealer?Thanks 
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From cnaarndt at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 12:11:10 2022
From: cnaarndt at gmail.com (Curtis Arndt)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 11:11:10 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Steering wheel assembly
In-Reply-To: <CADigPhSvLGazHVS-Ad2+k-CXDiYuMkEGfJH0Lqhb+9tZmx-V+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADigPhSvLGazHVS-Ad2+k-CXDiYuMkEGfJH0Lqhb+9tZmx-V+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJKrNeQ0yWZcELBeA2+U1aa8BeVz1ibg9kDiHJNKT_fBWYjjTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Joe,

It's called a "self cancelling lever" and it goes on first, lever (finger)
at 6 o'clock, then followed by the large lock washer and finally the nut.

Cheers,

Curt

On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 7:26 AM Joseph Costa via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I'm getting back to finishing the 100M.  I can't remember the order of the
> steering wheel nut and the turn signal cancel "paw".  Does the paw go under
> the nut or above the nut? And is it at the bottom or the top?  This is a
> non adjustable column.  I am hoping to have it ready for the Pocono event.
> TIA
>
> Joe
> BN1 #923 Coronet Cream
> BN2 100M
>
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Mon Feb  7 12:38:00 2022
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 11:38:00 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite
In-Reply-To: <1817065188.1091088.1644260592395@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1817065188.1091088.1644260592395.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1817065188.1091088.1644260592395@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d5fce254-bec8-b7cb-95b3-9698f8c34887@comcast.net>

I've a bottle sitting on the shelf I bought years ago; I think I got it 
from Moss. Looks like they now sell something comparable:

https://mossmotors.com/steering-box-lube-by-dynolite


On 2/7/2022 11:03 AM, Ray Juncal via Healeys wrote:
> Penrite seems to be the recommended steering box lube. Who is the 
> source for a small amount? Is there a US dealer?
> Thanks
> Ray
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From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca  Mon Feb  7 12:47:34 2022
From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:47:34 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite
In-Reply-To: <1817065188.1091088.1644260592395@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1817065188.1091088.1644260592395.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1817065188.1091088.1644260592395@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <016301d81c5b$8e2746d0$aa75d470$@sympatico.ca>

Nothing against the Penrite, I have heard nothing but good things about it.  However, if you have trouble finding it, another great product for the steering box is Land Rover High Temperature Swivel Housing Grease.  I use it in my BT7 and never had it leak and never had a problem with it.  Its available from any Land Rover dealer  I think the part no is STC3435.  Dave Nock at British Car Specialists put me on to it and they use and sell it too.

 

Cheers, Mirek

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ray Juncal via Healeys
Sent: February 7, 2022 2:03 PM
To: List Healey <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite

 

Penrite seems to be the recommended steering box lube. Who is the source for a small amount? Is there a US dealer?

Thanks 

Ray

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From ahbn6 at verizon.net  Mon Feb  7 12:49:48 2022
From: ahbn6 at verizon.net (ahbn6 at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:49:48 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] FW:  Penrite
References: <1817065188.1091088.1644260592395.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1817065188.1091088.1644260592395@mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <005001d81c5b$dd520010$97f60030$@verizon.net>

 

 

The US distributor went out of business several years ago. I bought a lot of stuff when he had a ?fire? sale. I don?t know if any else in the US stepped  in to sell Penrite. They were great products. This was at least 5 years ago. This  is an Australian company. I do not know if they ship to the US. EBay has some of their products on their site but the cost is very prohibitive. Try a google search

 

John Sims

www.healey6.com <http://www.healey6.com/> 

Matawan, NJ

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Ray Juncal via Healeys
Sent: Monday, February 7, 2022 2:03 PM
To: List Healey <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite

 

Penrite seems to be the recommended steering box lube. Who is the source for a small amount? Is there a US dealer?

Thanks 

Ray

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From lawrence.swift at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 12:52:04 2022
From: lawrence.swift at gmail.com (Team.net)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:52:04 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite
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John Deere Cornhead Grease.

> On Feb 7, 2022, at 14:07, Ray Juncal via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Penrite seems to be the recommended steering box lube. Who is the source for a small amount? Is there a US dealer?
> Thanks 
> Ray
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From roggrace at telus.net  Mon Feb  7 13:14:57 2022
From: roggrace at telus.net (Roger Grace)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 12:14:57 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite
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I have used both Penrite and a NGLI #00 grease.
Castrol Spheerol SHL 00
NLGI #00
Not much difference.
Got the Castrol grease from Napa
Neither solved my leaking problem.
It surely depends on the severity of the leak - mine was bad !
Don't expect miracles.
It did improve things, but in the end replaced the seals - that did solve
the problem and also used this NLGI #00 after the new seal was installed.
This can be done with the steering box in situ., but is a bear of a job !
I had to modify a pitman puller to just get it to fit.
The trick is to use 2 seals.
BTW Penrite is usually available from:

https://www.sportscarcentre.ca/contact-us

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On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 11:53 AM Team.net <lawrence.swift at gmail.com> wrote:

> John Deere Cornhead Grease.
>
> On Feb 7, 2022, at 14:07, Ray Juncal via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> Penrite seems to be the recommended steering box lube. Who is the source
> for a small amount? Is there a US dealer?
> Thanks
> Ray
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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 14:40:18 2022
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 13:40:18 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite
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John Deere Corn Head grease will work great too. [image: image.png]
Ira Erbs
Milwaukie,OR
      _______                                  _______
     (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
         (_________________________)
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1967 MGB  [image: MG]

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On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 11:48 AM m.g.sharp--- via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Nothing against the Penrite, I have heard nothing but good things about
> it.  However, if you have trouble finding it, another great product for the
> steering box is Land Rover High Temperature Swivel Housing Grease.  I use
> it in my BT7 and never had it leak and never had a problem with it.  Its
> available from any Land Rover dealer  I think the part no is STC3435.  Dave
> Nock at British Car Specialists put me on to it and they use and sell it
> too.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Mirek
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Ray
> Juncal via Healeys
> *Sent:* February 7, 2022 2:03 PM
> *To:* List Healey <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Healeys] Penrite
>
>
>
> Penrite seems to be the recommended steering box lube. Who is the source
> for a small amount? Is there a US dealer?
>
> Thanks
>
> Ray
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From manifold at telus.net  Mon Feb  7 14:51:27 2022
From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 13:51:27 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite
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From manifold at telus.net  Mon Feb  7 14:51:27 2022
From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 13:51:27 -0800
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From fgspringer at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 14:57:29 2022
From: fgspringer at gmail.com (FGary Springer)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 15:57:29 -0600
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite
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No leakage with the J D Corn Head grease.  Very reasonable too.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 3:41 PM i erbs via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> John Deere Corn Head grease will work great too. [image: image.png]
> Ira Erbs
> Milwaukie,OR
>       _______                                  _______
>      (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
>          (_________________________)
>           BT7 engine and disk brakes
>
>
> 1967 MGB  [image: MG]
>
> A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
> Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words
>
>
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> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 11:48 AM m.g.sharp--- via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Nothing against the Penrite, I have heard nothing but good things about
>> it.  However, if you have trouble finding it, another great product for the
>> steering box is Land Rover High Temperature Swivel Housing Grease.  I use
>> it in my BT7 and never had it leak and never had a problem with it.  Its
>> available from any Land Rover dealer  I think the part no is STC3435.  Dave
>> Nock at British Car Specialists put me on to it and they use and sell it
>> too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers, Mirek
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Ray
>> Juncal via Healeys
>> *Sent:* February 7, 2022 2:03 PM
>> *To:* List Healey <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* [Healeys] Penrite
>>
>>
>>
>> Penrite seems to be the recommended steering box lube. Who is the source
>> for a small amount? Is there a US dealer?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ray
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From healeyray at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  7 15:44:40 2022
From: healeyray at yahoo.com (Ray Juncal)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 22:44:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite
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 Is this list great or what. Thanks for all the help guys. I'm reminded that I should hit team.net with a donation. It's been a while.Thanks againRay

    On Monday, February 7, 2022, 11:07:38 AM PST, Ray Juncal via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Penrite seems to be the recommended steering box lube. Who is the source for a small amount? Is there a US dealer?Thanks 
Ray
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From rfbegani at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 15:50:34 2022
From: rfbegani at gmail.com (rfbegani at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 17:50:34 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite
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John Deere Cornhead Grease is what they had made for the cornhead which is an articulated joint out at the end of the combine which is like our steering box.  I used it 4 years ago and not a drop from the steering box so far. Amazon sells it in a cartridge and in tubes.

 

Bob Begani

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Team.net
Sent: Monday, February 7, 2022 2:52 PM
To: Ray Juncal <healeyray at yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Penrite

 

John Deere Cornhead Grease.





On Feb 7, 2022, at 14:07, Ray Juncal via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote:

?

Penrite seems to be the recommended steering box lube. Who is the source for a small amount? Is there a US dealer?

Thanks 

Ray

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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 15:57:46 2022
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:57:46 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite
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Heat it up first in hot water. You'll thank me later.

Ira Erbs
1959 AH 100-6
1967 MGB
Milwaukie, OR

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 2:51 PM Bob Begani via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> John Deere Cornhead Grease is what they had made for the cornhead which is
> an articulated joint out at the end of the combine which is like our
> steering box.  I used it 4 years ago and not a drop from the steering box
> so far. Amazon sells it in a cartridge and in tubes.
>
>
>
> Bob Begani
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Team.net
> *Sent:* Monday, February 7, 2022 2:52 PM
> *To:* Ray Juncal <healeyray at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* List Healey <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Penrite
>
>
>
> John Deere Cornhead Grease.
>
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2022, at 14:07, Ray Juncal via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Penrite seems to be the recommended steering box lube. Who is the source
> for a small amount? Is there a US dealer?
>
> Thanks
>
> Ray
>
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From fsufan1952 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  7 16:54:15 2022
From: fsufan1952 at yahoo.com (fsufan1952 at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 18:54:15 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite
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Yes John Deere corn head grease.  I had a steering box that wouldn?t hold much and I wasn?t about to pull the steering column/box out . I?ve done this before but it was on a total rebuild. I filled the box up with this corn head grease , and so far no big leaks . ?. Time will tell I?m sure 
            Don 

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> On Feb 7, 2022, at 5:58 PM, i erbs via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Heat it up first in hot water. You'll thank me later.
> 
> Ira Erbs
> 1959 AH 100-6
> 1967 MGB
> Milwaukie, OR
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 2:51 PM Bob Begani via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> John Deere Cornhead Grease is what they had made for the cornhead which is an articulated joint out at the end of the combine which is like our steering box.  I used it 4 years ago and not a drop from the steering box so far. Amazon sells it in a cartridge and in tubes.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Bob Begani
>> 
>> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Team.net
>> Sent: Monday, February 7, 2022 2:52 PM
>> To: Ray Juncal <healeyray at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: List Healey <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Penrite
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> John Deere Cornhead Grease.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 7, 2022, at 14:07, Ray Juncal via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> Penrite seems to be the recommended steering box lube. Who is the source for a small amount? Is there a US dealer?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Ray
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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 17:21:06 2022
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 16:21:06 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite
In-Reply-To: <606CB41B-BF4B-487B-9269-825889CC30D7@yahoo.com>
References: <CABXhz8_Aiao1jR9aWfM7iJ94fp=mLxds7p7gtROCzCRHFpJAPQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <606CB41B-BF4B-487B-9269-825889CC30D7@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABXhz89DXexZrXuBvUkUtOCGh-O638b38Vt=26euwoh+367pfA@mail.gmail.com>

I used penrite 6 years ago, still holding.

Ira Erbs
1959 AH 100-6
1967 MGB
Milwaukie, OR

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 3:54 PM <fsufan1952 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Yes John Deere corn head grease.  I had a steering box that wouldn?t hold
> much and I wasn?t about to pull the steering column/box out . I?ve done
> this before but it was on a total rebuild. I filled the box up with this
> corn head grease , and so far no big leaks . ?. Time will tell I?m sure
>             Don
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 7, 2022, at 5:58 PM, i erbs via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> Heat it up first in hot water. You'll thank me later.
>
> Ira Erbs
> 1959 AH 100-6
> 1967 MGB
> Milwaukie, OR
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 2:51 PM Bob Begani via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> John Deere Cornhead Grease is what they had made for the cornhead which
>> is an articulated joint out at the end of the combine which is like our
>> steering box.  I used it 4 years ago and not a drop from the steering box
>> so far. Amazon sells it in a cartridge and in tubes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Begani
>>
>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Team.net
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 7, 2022 2:52 PM
>> *To:* Ray Juncal <healeyray at yahoo.com>
>> *Cc:* List Healey <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Penrite
>>
>>
>>
>> John Deere Cornhead Grease.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2022, at 14:07, Ray Juncal via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Penrite seems to be the recommended steering box lube. Who is the source
>> for a small amount? Is there a US dealer?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ray
>>
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From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com  Mon Feb  7 17:26:34 2022
From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 00:26:34 -0000
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite
In-Reply-To: <606CB41B-BF4B-487B-9269-825889CC30D7@yahoo.com>
References: <CABXhz8_Aiao1jR9aWfM7iJ94fp=mLxds7p7gtROCzCRHFpJAPQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <606CB41B-BF4B-487B-9269-825889CC30D7@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005101d81c82$89232e20$9b698a60$@alexarevel.plus.com>

Yes, the corn head stuff is excellent. I had the usual(?) slow seepage. I bought a tube of that stuff and a decent grease gun with a flexible hose whose end would fit right into the box. Not a drip since. Very pleased.

Simon

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Don via Healeys
Sent: 07 February 2022 23:54
To: i erbs <eyera3000 at gmail.com>
Cc: List Healey <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Penrite

 

Yes John Deere corn head grease.  I had a steering box that wouldn?t hold much and I wasn?t about to pull the steering column/box out . I?ve done this before but it was on a total rebuild. I filled the box up with this corn head grease , and so far no big leaks . ?. Time will tell I?m sure 

            Don 

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From bspidell at comcast.net  Mon Feb  7 17:43:55 2022
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 16:43:55 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite
In-Reply-To: <606CB41B-BF4B-487B-9269-825889CC30D7@yahoo.com>
References: <CABXhz8_Aiao1jR9aWfM7iJ94fp=mLxds7p7gtROCzCRHFpJAPQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <606CB41B-BF4B-487B-9269-825889CC30D7@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b9293820-13ce-921e-b490-37d671f1400a@comcast.net>

It'll liquefy and leak in a spring-loaded grease gun however.



On 2/7/2022 3:54 PM, Don via Healeys wrote:
> Yes John Deere corn head grease. ?I had a steering box that wouldn?t 
> hold much and I wasn?t about to pull the steering column/box out . 
> I?ve done this before but it was on a total rebuild. I filled the box 
> up with this corn head grease , and so far no big leaks . ?. Time 
> will tell I?m sure
> ? ? ? ? ? ? Don
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 7, 2022, at 5:58 PM, i erbs via Healeys 
>> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Heat it up first in hot water. You'll thank me later.
>>
>> Ira Erbs
>> 1959 AH 100-6
>> 1967 MGB
>> Milwaukie, OR
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 2:51 PM Bob Begani via Healeys 
>> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>     John Deere Cornhead Grease is what they had made for the cornhead
>>     which is an articulated joint out at the end of the combine which
>>     is like our steering box.? I used it 4 years ago and not a drop
>>     from the steering box so far. Amazon sells it in a cartridge and
>>     in tubes.
>>
>>     Bob Begani
>>
>>     *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of
>>     *Team.net
>>     *Sent:* Monday, February 7, 2022 2:52 PM
>>     *To:* Ray Juncal <healeyray at yahoo.com>
>>     *Cc:* List Healey <healeys at autox.team.net>
>>     *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Penrite
>>
>>     John Deere Cornhead Grease.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From healey.nut at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 20:54:48 2022
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 11:54:48 +0800
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite
In-Reply-To: <b9293820-13ce-921e-b490-37d671f1400a@comcast.net>
References: <CABXhz8_Aiao1jR9aWfM7iJ94fp=mLxds7p7gtROCzCRHFpJAPQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <606CB41B-BF4B-487B-9269-825889CC30D7@yahoo.com>
 <b9293820-13ce-921e-b490-37d671f1400a@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAFBXTkKKA2kCUkNWMtOuZ6adhBBzmNyUG7fASScKLWwkuhHZzw@mail.gmail.com>

Incidentally, Cornhead grease (0 grade) will probably be slightly better
for leaks than 00, but slightly harder to get into the box:

Grease thickness table


NLGI# Penetration Consistency Food Analogy
000 445 - 475 Fluid Cooking Oil
00 400 - 430 Semi-Fluid Applesauce
0 355 - 385 Very Soft Brown Mustard
1 310 - 340 Soft Tomato Paste
2 265 - 295 "Normal" Grease Peanut Butter
3 220 - 250 Firm Veg. Shortening
4 175 - 205 Very Firm Frozen Yogurt
5 130 - 160 Hard Smooth Pat?
6 85 - 115 Very Hard Cheddar Cheese

Cheers,

Alan

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 8:46 AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

> It'll liquefy and leak in a spring-loaded grease gun however.
>
>
>
> On 2/7/2022 3:54 PM, Don via Healeys wrote:
>
> Yes John Deere corn head grease.  I had a steering box that wouldn?t hold
> much and I wasn?t about to pull the steering column/box out . I?ve done
> this before but it was on a total rebuild. I filled the box up with this
> corn head grease , and so far no big leaks . ?. Time will tell I?m sure
>             Don
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 7, 2022, at 5:58 PM, i erbs via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?
> Heat it up first in hot water. You'll thank me later.
>
> Ira Erbs
> 1959 AH 100-6
> 1967 MGB
> Milwaukie, OR
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 2:51 PM Bob Begani via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> John Deere Cornhead Grease is what they had made for the cornhead which
>> is an articulated joint out at the end of the combine which is like our
>> steering box.  I used it 4 years ago and not a drop from the steering box
>> so far. Amazon sells it in a cartridge and in tubes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Begani
>>
>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Team.net
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 7, 2022 2:52 PM
>> *To:* Ray Juncal <healeyray at yahoo.com>
>> *Cc:* List Healey <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Penrite
>>
>>
>>
>> John Deere Cornhead Grease.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 22:33:32 2022
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 21:33:32 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite
In-Reply-To: <CAFBXTkKKA2kCUkNWMtOuZ6adhBBzmNyUG7fASScKLWwkuhHZzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABXhz8_Aiao1jR9aWfM7iJ94fp=mLxds7p7gtROCzCRHFpJAPQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <606CB41B-BF4B-487B-9269-825889CC30D7@yahoo.com>
 <b9293820-13ce-921e-b490-37d671f1400a@comcast.net>
 <CAFBXTkKKA2kCUkNWMtOuZ6adhBBzmNyUG7fASScKLWwkuhHZzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABXhz8_hQir-=8jLt5sgJZghS_a+aFTKv-J1zQkNsz-s5HFs5w@mail.gmail.com>

The collective knowledge out there is fantastic.
Cheers.

Ira Erbs
1959 AH 100-6
1967 MGB
Milwaukie, OR

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 7:55 PM Alan Seigrist via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Incidentally, Cornhead grease (0 grade) will probably be slightly better
> for leaks than 00, but slightly harder to get into the box:
>
> Grease thickness table
>
>
> NLGI# Penetration Consistency Food Analogy
> 000 445 - 475 Fluid Cooking Oil
> 00 400 - 430 Semi-Fluid Applesauce
> 0 355 - 385 Very Soft Brown Mustard
> 1 310 - 340 Soft Tomato Paste
> 2 265 - 295 "Normal" Grease Peanut Butter
> 3 220 - 250 Firm Veg. Shortening
> 4 175 - 205 Very Firm Frozen Yogurt
> 5 130 - 160 Hard Smooth Pat?
> 6 85 - 115 Very Hard Cheddar Cheese
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alan
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 8:46 AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> It'll liquefy and leak in a spring-loaded grease gun however.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/7/2022 3:54 PM, Don via Healeys wrote:
>>
>> Yes John Deere corn head grease.  I had a steering box that wouldn?t hold
>> much and I wasn?t about to pull the steering column/box out . I?ve done
>> this before but it was on a total rebuild. I filled the box up with this
>> corn head grease , and so far no big leaks . ?. Time will tell I?m sure
>>             Don
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2022, at 5:58 PM, i erbs via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Heat it up first in hot water. You'll thank me later.
>>
>> Ira Erbs
>> 1959 AH 100-6
>> 1967 MGB
>> Milwaukie, OR
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 2:51 PM Bob Begani via Healeys <
>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>> John Deere Cornhead Grease is what they had made for the cornhead which
>>> is an articulated joint out at the end of the combine which is like our
>>> steering box.  I used it 4 years ago and not a drop from the steering box
>>> so far. Amazon sells it in a cartridge and in tubes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob Begani
>>>
>>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Team.net
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 7, 2022 2:52 PM
>>> *To:* Ray Juncal <healeyray at yahoo.com>
>>> *Cc:* List Healey <healeys at autox.team.net>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Penrite
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Deere Cornhead Grease.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com  Tue Feb  8 02:49:24 2022
From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 09:49:24 -0000
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite or John Deere CHG.
Message-ID: <000201d81cd1$2a96d420$7fc47c60$@alexarevel.plus.com>

Bob, that may be a good point. When I went to the agricultural place for the grease, they suggested that I buy their grease gun. I bought it for its flexible nozzle which is a blessing. Perhaps they sold it so that it wouldn?t ?liquefy and leak?. I?ve never thought about its inner workings. It has a pistol-grip pump action so I suppose that?s the only pressure.

Maybe the recipe is to buy the tubes of CHG gloop and use it with a pistol-grip pump. I doubt John Deere actually manufacture the gun although they?ve branded it and jacked the price up accordingly. 

It?s a decent thing, though on the large size, and I use it for pretty well all greasing jobs.

Simon

 

>> It'll liquefy and leak in a spring-loaded grease gun however.




On 2/7/2022 3:54 PM, Don via Healeys wrote:

Yes John Deere corn head grease.  I had a steering box that wouldn?t hold much and I wasn?t about to pull the steering column/box out . I?ve done this before but it was on a total rebuild. I filled the box up with this corn head grease , and so far no big leaks . ?. Time will tell I?m sure  

            Don 

Sent from my iPhone





On Feb 7, 2022, at 5:58 PM, i erbs via Healeys  <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

? 

Heat it up first in hot water. You'll thank me later.

Ira Erbs
1959 AH 100-6
1967 MGB
Milwaukie, OR

 

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 2:51 PM Bob Begani via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote:

John Deere Cornhead Grease is what they had made for the cornhead which is an articulated joint out at the end of the combine which is like our steering box.  I used it 4 years ago and not a drop from the steering box so far. Amazon sells it in a cartridge and in tubes.

 

Bob Begani

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Team.net
Sent: Monday, February 7, 2022 2:52 PM
To: Ray Juncal <healeyray at yahoo.com <mailto:healeyray at yahoo.com> >
Cc: List Healey <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Penrite

 

John Deere Cornhead Grease.

 

 

 

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From healey.nut at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 02:54:48 2022
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 17:54:48 +0800
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite or John Deere CHG.
In-Reply-To: <000201d81cd1$2a96d420$7fc47c60$@alexarevel.plus.com>
References: <000201d81cd1$2a96d420$7fc47c60$@alexarevel.plus.com>
Message-ID: <CAFBXTkLZTmKEf98p_UPFFhTo6d5dWMW-KY3gfqND_fMqdQPtjw@mail.gmail.com>

All -

Just a question - How do you get the old oil out of the box?  turkey baster?

Best,

Alan

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 5:52 PM Simon Lachlan via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Bob, that may be a good point. When I went to the agricultural place for
> the grease, they suggested that I buy their grease gun. I bought it for its
> flexible nozzle which is a blessing. Perhaps they sold it so that it
> wouldn?t ?liquefy and leak?. I?ve never thought about its inner workings.
> It has a pistol-grip pump action so I suppose that?s the only pressure.
>
> Maybe the recipe is to buy the tubes of CHG gloop and use it with a
> pistol-grip pump. I doubt John Deere actually manufacture the gun although
> they?ve branded it and jacked the price up accordingly.
>
> It?s a decent thing, though on the large size, and I use it for pretty
> well all greasing jobs.
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> >> It'll liquefy and leak in a spring-loaded grease gun however.
>
>
> On 2/7/2022 3:54 PM, Don via Healeys wrote:
>
> Yes John Deere corn head grease.  I had a steering box that wouldn?t hold
> much and I wasn?t about to pull the steering column/box out . I?ve done
> this before but it was on a total rebuild. I filled the box up with this
> corn head grease , and so far no big leaks . ?. Time will tell I?m sure
>
>             Don
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2022, at 5:58 PM, i erbs via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Heat it up first in hot water. You'll thank me later.
>
> Ira Erbs
> 1959 AH 100-6
> 1967 MGB
> Milwaukie, OR
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 2:51 PM Bob Begani via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> John Deere Cornhead Grease is what they had made for the cornhead which is
> an articulated joint out at the end of the combine which is like our
> steering box.  I used it 4 years ago and not a drop from the steering box
> so far. Amazon sells it in a cartridge and in tubes.
>
>
>
> Bob Begani
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Team.net
> *Sent:* Monday, February 7, 2022 2:52 PM
> *To:* Ray Juncal <healeyray at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* List Healey <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Penrite
>
>
>
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From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com  Tue Feb  8 03:44:31 2022
From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 10:44:31 -0000
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite or John Deere CHG.
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Undo the four ?bolts for end cover?, item 24. Attached.

Undo them just enough for the contents to begin to escape and not a fraction further. Put something underneath but resign yourself to a mess. Allow plenty of time, like overnight. I didn?t need to but a hot air gun might encourage a quicker flow??I don?t suppose that you have to get every last drop out.

Prior to attempting this, I took advice from the pros and particularly recall Michael S?s warning about taking the front plate off in situ. Don?t recall the exact whole horror story but it seems that they learnt the hard way. I?d guess it was one of those ?infinitely easier to disassemble than to reassemble? situations.

Simon

 

 

From: Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com> 
Sent: 08 February 2022 09:55
To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com
Cc: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>; Healey list <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Penrite or John Deere CHG.

 

All -

 

Just a question - How do you get the old oil out of the box?  turkey baster?

 

Best,

 

Alan

 

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 5:52 PM Simon Lachlan via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Bob, that may be a good point. When I went to the agricultural place for the grease, they suggested that I buy their grease gun. I bought it for its flexible nozzle which is a blessing. Perhaps they sold it so that it wouldn?t ?liquefy and leak?. I?ve never thought about its inner workings. It has a pistol-grip pump action so I suppose that?s the only pressure.

Maybe the recipe is to buy the tubes of CHG gloop and use it with a pistol-grip pump. I doubt John Deere actually manufacture the gun although they?ve branded it and jacked the price up accordingly. 

It?s a decent thing, though on the large size, and I use it for pretty well all greasing jobs.

Simon

 

>> It'll liquefy and leak in a spring-loaded grease gun however.



On 2/7/2022 3:54 PM, Don via Healeys wrote:

Yes John Deere corn head grease.  I had a steering box that wouldn?t hold much and I wasn?t about to pull the steering column/box out . I?ve done this before but it was on a total rebuild. I filled the box up with this corn head grease , and so far no big leaks . ?. Time will tell I?m sure  

            Don 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Feb 7, 2022, at 5:58 PM, i erbs via Healeys  <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

? 

Heat it up first in hot water. You'll thank me later.

Ira Erbs
1959 AH 100-6
1967 MGB
Milwaukie, OR

 

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 2:51 PM Bob Begani via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote:

John Deere Cornhead Grease is what they had made for the cornhead which is an articulated joint out at the end of the combine which is like our steering box.  I used it 4 years ago and not a drop from the steering box so far. Amazon sells it in a cartridge and in tubes.

 

Bob Begani

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Cc: List Healey <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Penrite

 

John Deere Cornhead Grease.

 

 

 

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From healey.nut at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 06:52:38 2022
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 21:52:38 +0800
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite or John Deere CHG.
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Ahhhhhh yes, okay I got it.

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 6:44 PM <simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com> wrote:

> Undo the four ?bolts for end cover?, item 24. Attached.
>
> Undo them just enough for the contents to begin to escape and *not a
> fraction further*. Put something underneath but resign yourself to a
> mess. Allow plenty of time, like overnight. I didn?t need to but a hot air
> gun might encourage a quicker flow??I don?t suppose that you have to get
> every last drop out.
>
> Prior to attempting this, I took advice from the pros and particularly
> recall Michael S?s warning about taking the front plate off in situ. Don?t
> recall the exact whole horror story but it seems that they learnt the hard
> way. I?d guess it was one of those ?infinitely easier to disassemble than
> to reassemble? situations.
>
> Simon
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 08 February 2022 09:55
> *To:* simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com
> *Cc:* Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>; Healey list <
> healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Penrite or John Deere CHG.
>
>
>
> All -
>
>
>
> Just a question - How do you get the old oil out of the box?  turkey
> baster?
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 5:52 PM Simon Lachlan via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Bob, that may be a good point. When I went to the agricultural place for
> the grease, they suggested that I buy their grease gun. I bought it for its
> flexible nozzle which is a blessing. Perhaps they sold it so that it
> wouldn?t ?liquefy and leak?. I?ve never thought about its inner workings.
> It has a pistol-grip pump action so I suppose that?s the only pressure.
>
> Maybe the recipe is to buy the tubes of CHG gloop and use it with a
> pistol-grip pump. I doubt John Deere actually manufacture the gun although
> they?ve branded it and jacked the price up accordingly.
>
> It?s a decent thing, though on the large size, and I use it for pretty
> well all greasing jobs.
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> >> It'll liquefy and leak in a spring-loaded grease gun however.
>
> On 2/7/2022 3:54 PM, Don via Healeys wrote:
>
> Yes John Deere corn head grease.  I had a steering box that wouldn?t hold
> much and I wasn?t about to pull the steering column/box out . I?ve done
> this before but it was on a total rebuild. I filled the box up with this
> corn head grease , and so far no big leaks . ?. Time will tell I?m sure
>
>             Don
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2022, at 5:58 PM, i erbs via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Heat it up first in hot water. You'll thank me later.
>
> Ira Erbs
> 1959 AH 100-6
> 1967 MGB
> Milwaukie, OR
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 2:51 PM Bob Begani via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> John Deere Cornhead Grease is what they had made for the cornhead which is
> an articulated joint out at the end of the combine which is like our
> steering box.  I used it 4 years ago and not a drop from the steering box
> so far. Amazon sells it in a cartridge and in tubes.
>
>
>
> Bob Begani
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Team.net
> *Sent:* Monday, February 7, 2022 2:52 PM
> *To:* Ray Juncal <healeyray at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* List Healey <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Penrite
>
>
>
> John Deere Cornhead Grease.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From rfbegani at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 08:48:50 2022
From: rfbegani at gmail.com (rfbegani at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 10:48:50 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Healey 3000 Leatherette/Naugahyde cleaning and restoring
Message-ID: <07db01d81d03$5e38ae70$1aaa0b50$@gmail.com>

After working on the mechanical items of my BJ8 I turned my attention to the
upholstery.  It is in excellent condition with no tears or scratches, only a
little tired, especially the dashboard.  As I have a bottle of angelus
leather dye in Jet black for real leather, I put a layer on the dashboard,
and it soaked in quite nicely.  After drying over night with a soft terry
cloth clean rag I hand rubbed and buffed the surface to a nice shine.  Now
if it was real leather, a further layer of black carnauba shoe polish would
be applied.  So, I used Esquire rubbing it in to the surface as I would for
leather shoes, let dry and rubbed the surface to a nice shine. 

 

At the same time, I removed the arm rest from the right-hand door because
the Naugahyde had peeled off the frame.  After cleaning off all the hot glue
residue and using my handy Craftsman hot glue gun with bonding glue and
large binder paper clips to hold the fabric in place after applying the glue
the repair was ready for a polishing.  However, I thought I would look up
how to restore Naugahyde and was advised to use Mequiar's natural shine
protectant which I will apply to the dashboard also when it comes from
Amazon.

 

Meanwhile, what do you members of this group recommend for the treating the
leatherette/Naugahyde on our Healey's for cleaning and restoration.

 

Regards,

 

Bob Begani

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From einhornlawoffice at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 09:01:26 2022
From: einhornlawoffice at gmail.com (Jonathan Einhorn)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 11:01:26 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Healey 3000 Leatherette/Naugahyde cleaning and
 restoring
In-Reply-To: <07db01d81d03$5e38ae70$1aaa0b50$@gmail.com>
References: <07db01d81d03$5e38ae70$1aaa0b50$@gmail.com>
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Many may not realize that Naugahyde comes from Naugatuck, Connecticut. If
you need to replace it, apparently there are still several bands of
free-ranging Naugys running throughout Naugatuck. If you are able to catch
one (they are fast), you might be able to fashion new Naugahyde seat
covers. While Naugys reportedly come in different colors, some say that
those variations are due to the latest pollution in the Naugatuck River
(another reason for the demise of the former home of Peter & Paul Mounds).

jon

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:49 AM <rfbegani at gmail.com> wrote:

> After working on the mechanical items of my BJ8 I turned my attention to
> the upholstery.  It is in excellent condition with no tears or scratches,
> only a little tired, especially the dashboard.  As I have a bottle of
> angelus leather dye in Jet black for real leather, I put a layer on the
> dashboard, and it soaked in quite nicely.  After drying over night with a
> soft terry cloth clean rag I hand rubbed and buffed the surface to a nice
> shine.  Now if it was real leather, a further layer of black carnauba shoe
> polish would be applied.  So, I used Esquire rubbing it in to the surface
> as I would for leather shoes, let dry and rubbed the surface to a nice
> shine.
>
>
>
> At the same time, I removed the arm rest from the right-hand door because
> the Naugahyde had peeled off the frame.  After cleaning off all the hot
> glue residue and using my handy Craftsman hot glue gun with bonding glue
> and large binder paper clips to hold the fabric in place after applying the
> glue the repair was ready for a polishing.  However, I thought I would look
> up how to restore Naugahyde and was advised to use Mequiar?s natural shine
> protectant which I will apply to the dashboard also when it comes from
> Amazon.
>
>
>
> Meanwhile, what do you members of this group recommend for the treating
> the leatherette/Naugahyde on our Healey?s for cleaning and restoration.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Bob Begani
>
> 67 BJ8
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From healeyguy at aol.com  Tue Feb  8 09:08:43 2022
From: healeyguy at aol.com (healeyguy at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 16:08:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Healey 3000 Leatherette/Naugahyde cleaning and
 restoring
In-Reply-To: <CADqHe-0mvyZcYm3LdA9pGJHjZYQvV+uvTnK6G=ZJ+rOScq7YcQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CADqHe-0mvyZcYm3LdA9pGJHjZYQvV+uvTnK6G=ZJ+rOScq7YcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <996351720.529477.1644336523125@mail.yahoo.com>

Perry


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From: Jonathan Einhorn <einhornlawoffice at gmail.com>
To: Bob Begani <rfbegani at gmail.com>
Cc: healey list <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 8, 2022 11:01 am
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healey 3000 Leatherette/Naugahyde cleaning and restoring

Many may not realize that Naugahyde comes from Naugatuck, Connecticut. If you need to replace it, apparently there are still several bands of free-ranging Naugys running throughout Naugatuck. If you are able to catch one (they are fast), you might be able to fashion new Naugahyde seat covers. While Naugys reportedly come in different colors, some say that those variations are due to the latest pollution in the Naugatuck River (another reason for the demise of the former home of Peter & Paul Mounds).
jon
On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:49 AM <rfbegani at gmail.com> wrote:

After working on the mechanical items of my BJ8 I turned my attention to the upholstery.? It is in excellent condition with no tears or scratches, only a little tired, especially the dashboard.? As I have a bottle of angelus leather dye in Jet black for real leather, I put a layer on the dashboard, and it soaked in quite nicely.? After drying over night with a soft terry cloth clean rag I hand rubbed and buffed the surface to a nice shine.? Now if it was real leather, a further layer of black carnauba shoe polish would be applied.? So, I used Esquire rubbing it in to the surface as I would for leather shoes, let dry and rubbed the surface to a nice shine. ?At the same time, I removed the arm rest from the right-hand door because the Naugahyde had peeled off the frame.? After cleaning off all the hot glue residue and using my handy Craftsman hot glue gun with bonding glue and large binder paper clips to hold the fabric in place after applying the glue the repair was ready for a polishing.? However, I thought I would look up how to restore Naugahyde and was advised to use Mequiar?s natural shine protectant which I will apply to the dashboard also when it comes from Amazon.?Meanwhile, what do you members of this group recommend for the treating the leatherette/Naugahyde on our Healey?s for cleaning and restoration.?Regards,?Bob Begani67 BJ8_______________________________________________
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Tue Feb  8 09:16:57 2022
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 08:16:57 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite or John Deere CHG.
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To clarify, all grease guns--at least the half-dozen or so I have--take 
a cartridge with a plastic cap on one end and an aluminum 'pop-top' seal 
(or just foil) on the other. The pop-top/foil and plastic cap are 
removed and the cartridge full of grease is inserted into the gun 
pop-top end first, but not before the feeder spring is retracted and 
locked in place. Then, the end cap of the gun is screwed back on and the 
spring released, so that it can force grease to the outlet end, from 
which it is pumped out under pressure, with either a pistol or lever 
type piston pump. CHG, I noticed, does not come out of the gun in a 
steady stream when pumped, there seems to be air or something in the 
stream, which requires a bunch of fruitless pumping of the gun until 
another slug comes out.

For all of you thinking 'Well, Duh! Who didn't know that?!' I had to 
figure this out on my own and made some sizable messes in doing so, and 
still do sometimes--it's an inherently messy process. My concern now is 
have I lost some of the oily goodness in the CHG that actually does the 
lubricating*, and where can I find the specialty CHG dispenser to add to 
my collection of grease dispensers? And, to further prove I have way too 
much time on my hands, and insufficient energy to use it wisely, I knew 
this 'grease turns into an oil' miracle must have a scientific name with 
which you can impress your friends and make them think 'What a 
smart-ass,' so I found it:

'Thixotropic' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thixotropy

Now, you can be the hit of the next cocktail party--assuming we ever 
have parties again--or, maybe, you can win a fortune on Jeopardy!

You're welcome.

Bob

* All greases are oil with a thickening agent; think lithium, 
molybdenum, etc. The cheap stuff usually uses finely-ground diatomaceous 
earth (aka 'dirt').



On 2/8/2022 1:49 AM, simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com wrote:
>
> Bob, that may be a good point. When I went to the agricultural place 
> for the grease, they suggested that I buy their grease gun. I bought 
> it for its flexible nozzle which is a blessing. Perhaps they sold it 
> so that it wouldn?t ?liquefy and leak?. I?ve never thought about its 
> inner workings. It has a pistol-grip pump action so I suppose that?s 
> the only pressure.
>
> Maybe the recipe is to buy the tubes of CHG gloop and use it with a 
> pistol-grip pump. I doubt John Deere actually manufacture the gun 
> although they?ve branded it and jacked the price up accordingly.
>
> It?s a decent thing, though on the large size, and I use it for pretty 
> well all greasing jobs.
>
> Simon
>
> >> It'll liquefy and leak in a spring-loaded grease gun however.
>
>
> On 2/7/2022 3:54 PM, Don via Healeys wrote:
>
>     Yes John Deere corn head grease. ?I had a steering box that
>     wouldn?t hold much and I wasn?t about to pull the steering
>     column/box out . I?ve done this before but it was on a total
>     rebuild. I filled the box up with this corn head grease , and so
>     far no big leaks . ?. Time will tell I?m sure
>
>     ? Don
>
>     Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>         On Feb 7, 2022, at 5:58 PM, i erbs via Healeys
>         <healeys at autox.team.net> <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>         ?
>
>         Heat it up first in hot water. You'll thank me later.
>
>         Ira Erbs
>         1959 AH 100-6
>         1967 MGB
>         Milwaukie, OR
>
>         On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 2:51 PM Bob Begani via Healeys
>         <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>             John Deere Cornhead Grease is what they had made for the
>             cornhead which is an articulated joint out at the end of
>             the combine which is like our steering box.? I used it 4
>             years ago and not a drop from the steering box so far.
>             Amazon sells it in a cartridge and in tubes.
>
>             Bob Begani
>
>             *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf
>             Of *Team.net
>             *Sent:* Monday, February 7, 2022 2:52 PM
>             *To:* Ray Juncal <healeyray at yahoo.com>
>             *Cc:* List Healey <healeys at autox.team.net>
>             *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Penrite
>
>             John Deere Cornhead Grease.
>
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Tue Feb  8 09:21:06 2022
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 08:21:06 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite or John Deere CHG.
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My BN2's steering box came with the special self-emptying option (I 
think the BJ8 has been unduly influenced by it).


On 2/8/2022 1:54 AM, Alan Seigrist wrote:
> All -
>
> Just a question - How do you get the old oil out of the box?? turkey 
> baster?
>
> Best,
>
> Alan
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 5:52 PM Simon Lachlan via Healeys 
> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>     Bob, that may be a good point. When I went to the agricultural
>     place for the grease, they suggested that I buy their grease gun.
>     I bought it for its flexible nozzle which is a blessing. Perhaps
>     they sold it so that it wouldn?t ?liquefy and leak?. I?ve never
>     thought about its inner workings. It has a pistol-grip pump action
>     so I suppose that?s the only pressure.
>
>     Maybe the recipe is to buy the tubes of CHG gloop and use it with
>     a pistol-grip pump. I doubt John Deere actually manufacture the
>     gun although they?ve branded it and jacked the price up accordingly.
>
>     It?s a decent thing, though on the large size, and I use it for
>     pretty well all greasing jobs.
>
>     Simon
>
>     >> It'll liquefy and leak in a spring-loaded grease gun however.
>
>
>
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From michael.oritt at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 10:17:35 2022
From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 12:17:35 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite or John Deere CHG.
In-Reply-To: <1c314d7f-54b9-ab7d-872a-497db031db99@comcast.net>
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Thanks for that Bob

In case you wanted to know, Ketchup (Catsup) is thixotropic which explains
why, once it gets started moving, invariably comes out of the bottle at a
faster rate and in a greater quantity than planned.
Teflon is also thixotropic. On my old Hobie 14 a teflon molding fit in a
socket onto which the mast was stepped.  The mast rotated on its vertical
axis as the sail was trimmed with the Teflon minimizing friction and
preventing binding notwithstanding substantial pressure between mast and
step.

Enjoy the party....

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 11:25 AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

> To clarify, all grease guns--at least the half-dozen or so I have--take a
> cartridge with a plastic cap on one end and an aluminum 'pop-top' seal (or
> just foil) on the other. The pop-top/foil and plastic cap are removed and
> the cartridge full of grease is inserted into the gun pop-top end first,
> but not before the feeder spring is retracted and locked in place. Then,
> the end cap of the gun is screwed back on and the spring released, so that
> it can force grease to the outlet end, from which it is pumped out under
> pressure, with either a pistol or lever type piston pump. CHG, I noticed,
> does not come out of the gun in a steady stream when pumped, there seems to
> be air or something in the stream, which requires a bunch of fruitless
> pumping of the gun until another slug comes out.
>
> For all of you thinking 'Well, Duh! Who didn't know that?!' I had to
> figure this out on my own and made some sizable messes in doing so, and
> still do sometimes--it's an inherently messy process. My concern now is
> have I lost some of the oily goodness in the CHG that actually does the
> lubricating*, and where can I find the specialty CHG dispenser to add to my
> collection of grease dispensers? And, to further prove I have way too much
> time on my hands, and insufficient energy to use it wisely, I knew this
> 'grease turns into an oil' miracle must have a scientific name with which
> you can impress your friends and make them think 'What a smart-ass,' so I
> found it:
>
> 'Thixotropic'   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thixotropy
>
> Now, you can be the hit of the next cocktail party--assuming we ever have
> parties again--or, maybe, you can win a fortune on Jeopardy!
>
> You're welcome.
>
> Bob
>
> * All greases are oil with a thickening agent; think lithium, molybdenum,
> etc. The cheap stuff usually uses finely-ground diatomaceous earth (aka
> 'dirt').
>
>
>
> On 2/8/2022 1:49 AM, simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com wrote:
>
> Bob, that may be a good point. When I went to the agricultural place for
> the grease, they suggested that I buy their grease gun. I bought it for its
> flexible nozzle which is a blessing. Perhaps they sold it so that it
> wouldn?t ?liquefy and leak?. I?ve never thought about its inner workings.
> It has a pistol-grip pump action so I suppose that?s the only pressure.
>
> Maybe the recipe is to buy the tubes of CHG gloop and use it with a
> pistol-grip pump. I doubt John Deere actually manufacture the gun although
> they?ve branded it and jacked the price up accordingly.
>
> It?s a decent thing, though on the large size, and I use it for pretty
> well all greasing jobs.
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> >> It'll liquefy and leak in a spring-loaded grease gun however.
>
>
> On 2/7/2022 3:54 PM, Don via Healeys wrote:
>
> Yes John Deere corn head grease.  I had a steering box that wouldn?t hold
> much and I wasn?t about to pull the steering column/box out . I?ve done
> this before but it was on a total rebuild. I filled the box up with this
> corn head grease , and so far no big leaks . ?. Time will tell I?m sure
>
>             Don
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2022, at 5:58 PM, i erbs via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Heat it up first in hot water. You'll thank me later.
>
> Ira Erbs
> 1959 AH 100-6
> 1967 MGB
> Milwaukie, OR
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 2:51 PM Bob Begani via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> John Deere Cornhead Grease is what they had made for the cornhead which is
> an articulated joint out at the end of the combine which is like our
> steering box.  I used it 4 years ago and not a drop from the steering box
> so far. Amazon sells it in a cartridge and in tubes.
>
>
>
> Bob Begani
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Team.net
> *Sent:* Monday, February 7, 2022 2:52 PM
> *To:* Ray Juncal <healeyray at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* List Healey <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Penrite
>
>
>
> John Deere Cornhead Grease.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From eps2660 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 11:04:32 2022
From: eps2660 at gmail.com (Elton S)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 13:04:32 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite or John Deere CHG.
In-Reply-To: <CAFBXTkLZTmKEf98p_UPFFhTo6d5dWMW-KY3gfqND_fMqdQPtjw@mail.gmail.com>
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Or a large syringe available at auto parts stores.
Elton

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 4:55 AM Alan Seigrist via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> All -
>
> Just a question - How do you get the old oil out of the box?  turkey
> baster?
>
> Best,
>
> Alan
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 5:52 PM Simon Lachlan via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Bob, that may be a good point. When I went to the agricultural place for
>> the grease, they suggested that I buy their grease gun. I bought it for its
>> flexible nozzle which is a blessing. Perhaps they sold it so that it
>> wouldn?t ?liquefy and leak?. I?ve never thought about its inner workings.
>> It has a pistol-grip pump action so I suppose that?s the only pressure.
>>
>> Maybe the recipe is to buy the tubes of CHG gloop and use it with a
>> pistol-grip pump. I doubt John Deere actually manufacture the gun although
>> they?ve branded it and jacked the price up accordingly.
>>
>> It?s a decent thing, though on the large size, and I use it for pretty
>> well all greasing jobs.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>>
>> >> It'll liquefy and leak in a spring-loaded grease gun however.
>>
>>
>> On 2/7/2022 3:54 PM, Don via Healeys wrote:
>>
>> Yes John Deere corn head grease.  I had a steering box that wouldn?t hold
>> much and I wasn?t about to pull the steering column/box out . I?ve done
>> this before but it was on a total rebuild. I filled the box up with this
>> corn head grease , and so far no big leaks . ?. Time will tell I?m
>> sure
>>
>>             Don
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2022, at 5:58 PM, i erbs via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Heat it up first in hot water. You'll thank me later.
>>
>> Ira Erbs
>> 1959 AH 100-6
>> 1967 MGB
>> Milwaukie, OR
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 2:51 PM Bob Begani via Healeys <
>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> John Deere Cornhead Grease is what they had made for the cornhead which
>> is an articulated joint out at the end of the combine which is like our
>> steering box.  I used it 4 years ago and not a drop from the steering box
>> so far. Amazon sells it in a cartridge and in tubes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Begani
>>
>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Team.net
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 7, 2022 2:52 PM
>> *To:* Ray Juncal <healeyray at yahoo.com>
>> *Cc:* List Healey <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Penrite
>>
>>
>>
>> John Deere Cornhead Grease.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 11:49:38 2022
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 13:49:38 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Penrite or John Deere CHG.
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Or do it right and change the seal :-).

M

On Tue., Feb. 8, 2022, 1:05 p.m. Elton S via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Or a large syringe available at auto parts stores.
> Elton
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 4:55 AM Alan Seigrist via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> All -
>>
>> Just a question - How do you get the old oil out of the box?  turkey
>> baster?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 5:52 PM Simon Lachlan via Healeys <
>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Bob, that may be a good point. When I went to the agricultural place for
>>> the grease, they suggested that I buy their grease gun. I bought it for its
>>> flexible nozzle which is a blessing. Perhaps they sold it so that it
>>> wouldn?t ?liquefy and leak?. I?ve never thought about its inner workings.
>>> It has a pistol-grip pump action so I suppose that?s the only pressure.
>>>
>>> Maybe the recipe is to buy the tubes of CHG gloop and use it with a
>>> pistol-grip pump. I doubt John Deere actually manufacture the gun although
>>> they?ve branded it and jacked the price up accordingly.
>>>
>>> It?s a decent thing, though on the large size, and I use it for pretty
>>> well all greasing jobs.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >> It'll liquefy and leak in a spring-loaded grease gun however.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/7/2022 3:54 PM, Don via Healeys wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes John Deere corn head grease.  I had a steering box that wouldn?t
>>> hold much and I wasn?t about to pull the steering column/box out . I?ve
>>> done this before but it was on a total rebuild. I filled the box up with
>>> this corn head grease , and so far no big leaks . ?. Time will tell
>>> I?m sure
>>>
>>>             Don
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2022, at 5:58 PM, i erbs via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
>>> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Heat it up first in hot water. You'll thank me later.
>>>
>>> Ira Erbs
>>> 1959 AH 100-6
>>> 1967 MGB
>>> Milwaukie, OR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 2:51 PM Bob Begani via Healeys <
>>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> John Deere Cornhead Grease is what they had made for the cornhead which
>>> is an articulated joint out at the end of the combine which is like our
>>> steering box.  I used it 4 years ago and not a drop from the steering box
>>> so far. Amazon sells it in a cartridge and in tubes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob Begani
>>>
>>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Team.net
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 7, 2022 2:52 PM
>>> *To:* Ray Juncal <healeyray at yahoo.com>
>>> *Cc:* List Healey <healeys at autox.team.net>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Penrite
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Deere Cornhead Grease.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From healeyrik at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 12:13:14 2022
From: healeyrik at gmail.com (HealeyRick)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 14:13:14 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Healey 3000 Leatherette/Naugahyde cleaning and
 restoring
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[image: naugahyde_advertisement.png]

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 11:02 AM Jonathan Einhorn <einhornlawoffice at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Many may not realize that Naugahyde comes from Naugatuck, Connecticut. If
> you need to replace it, apparently there are still several bands of
> free-ranging Naugys running throughout Naugatuck. If you are able to catch
> one (they are fast), you might be able to fashion new Naugahyde seat
> covers. While Naugys reportedly come in different colors, some say that
> those variations are due to the latest pollution in the Naugatuck River
> (another reason for the demise of the former home of Peter & Paul Mounds).
>
> jon
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:49 AM <rfbegani at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> After working on the mechanical items of my BJ8 I turned my attention to
>> the upholstery.  It is in excellent condition with no tears or scratches,
>> only a little tired, especially the dashboard.  As I have a bottle of
>> angelus leather dye in Jet black for real leather, I put a layer on the
>> dashboard, and it soaked in quite nicely.  After drying over night with a
>> soft terry cloth clean rag I hand rubbed and buffed the surface to a nice
>> shine.  Now if it was real leather, a further layer of black carnauba shoe
>> polish would be applied.  So, I used Esquire rubbing it in to the surface
>> as I would for leather shoes, let dry and rubbed the surface to a nice
>> shine.
>>
>>
>>
>> At the same time, I removed the arm rest from the right-hand door because
>> the Naugahyde had peeled off the frame.  After cleaning off all the hot
>> glue residue and using my handy Craftsman hot glue gun with bonding glue
>> and large binder paper clips to hold the fabric in place after applying the
>> glue the repair was ready for a polishing.  However, I thought I would look
>> up how to restore Naugahyde and was advised to use Mequiar?s natural shine
>> protectant which I will apply to the dashboard also when it comes from
>> Amazon.
>>
>>
>>
>> Meanwhile, what do you members of this group recommend for the treating
>> the leatherette/Naugahyde on our Healey?s for cleaning and restoration.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Begani
>>
>> 67 BJ8
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From boyracer466 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 12:21:02 2022
From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (Richard Mayor)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 11:21:02 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Healey 3000 Leatherette/Naugahyde cleaning and
 restoring
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Jon,

I always wondered where the Naugys originated.  I know that some actually made it to Mexico in the 60s - or maybe it was only the hides.   Thanks for sharing this information. I always thought they had gone extinct.

Richard Mayor
Portland, Oregon
boyracer466 at gmail.com



> On Feb 8, 2022, at 8:01 AM, Jonathan Einhorn <einhornlawoffice at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Many may not realize that Naugahyde comes from Naugatuck, Connecticut. If you need to replace it, apparently there are still several bands of free-ranging Naugys running throughout Naugatuck. If you are able to catch one (they are fast), you might be able to fashion new Naugahyde seat covers. While Naugys reportedly come in different colors, some say that those variations are due to the latest pollution in the Naugatuck River (another reason for the demise of the former home of Peter & Paul Mounds).
> 
> jon
> 
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:49 AM <rfbegani at gmail.com> wrote:
> After working on the mechanical items of my BJ8 I turned my attention to the upholstery.  It is in excellent condition with no tears or scratches, only a little tired, especially the dashboard.  As I have a bottle of angelus leather dye in Jet black for real leather, I put a layer on the dashboard, and it soaked in quite nicely.  After drying over night with a soft terry cloth clean rag I hand rubbed and buffed the surface to a nice shine.  Now if it was real leather, a further layer of black carnauba shoe polish would be applied.  So, I used Esquire rubbing it in to the surface as I would for leather shoes, let dry and rubbed the surface to a nice shine.
> 
>  
> 
> At the same time, I removed the arm rest from the right-hand door because the Naugahyde had peeled off the frame.  After cleaning off all the hot glue residue and using my handy Craftsman hot glue gun with bonding glue and large binder paper clips to hold the fabric in place after applying the glue the repair was ready for a polishing.  However, I thought I would look up how to restore Naugahyde and was advised to use Mequiar?s natural shine protectant which I will apply to the dashboard also when it comes from Amazon.
> 
>  
> 
> Meanwhile, what do you members of this group recommend for the treating the leatherette/Naugahyde on our Healey?s for cleaning and restoration.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
>  
> 
> Bob Begani
> 
> 67 BJ8
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From rchaskell at earthlink.net  Tue Feb  8 12:33:25 2022
From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 14:33:25 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Healey 3000 Leatherette/Naugahyde cleaning and
 restoring
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 <CADqHe-0mvyZcYm3LdA9pGJHjZYQvV+uvTnK6G=ZJ+rOScq7YcQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Naugatuck - one half of the famous tuck and roll upholstery technique?

Cheers,

Bob Haskell
Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar

On 2/8/22 2:21 PM, Richard Mayor via Healeys wrote:
> Jon,
>
> I always wondered where the Naugys originated.  I know that some actually made it to Mexico in the 60s - or maybe it was only the hides.   Thanks for sharing this information. I always thought they had gone extinct.
>
> Richard Mayor
> Portland, Oregon
> boyracer466 at gmail.com
>
>
>
>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 8:01 AM, Jonathan Einhorn <einhornlawoffice at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Many may not realize that Naugahyde comes from Naugatuck, Connecticut. If you need to replace it, apparently there are still several bands of free-ranging Naugys running throughout Naugatuck. If you are able to catch one (they are fast), you might be able to fashion new Naugahyde seat covers. While Naugys reportedly come in different colors, some say that those variations are due to the latest pollution in the Naugatuck River (another reason for the demise of the former home of Peter & Paul Mounds).
>>
>> jon
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:49 AM <rfbegani at gmail.com> wrote:
>> After working on the mechanical items of my BJ8 I turned my attention to the upholstery.  It is in excellent condition with no tears or scratches, only a little tired, especially the dashboard.  As I have a bottle of angelus leather dye in Jet black for real leather, I put a layer on the dashboard, and it soaked in quite nicely.  After drying over night with a soft terry cloth clean rag I hand rubbed and buffed the surface to a nice shine.  Now if it was real leather, a further layer of black carnauba shoe polish would be applied.  So, I used Esquire rubbing it in to the surface as I would for leather shoes, let dry and rubbed the surface to a nice shine.
>>
>>   
>>
>> At the same time, I removed the arm rest from the right-hand door because the Naugahyde had peeled off the frame.  After cleaning off all the hot glue residue and using my handy Craftsman hot glue gun with bonding glue and large binder paper clips to hold the fabric in place after applying the glue the repair was ready for a polishing.  However, I thought I would look up how to restore Naugahyde and was advised to use Mequiar?s natural shine protectant which I will apply to the dashboard also when it comes from Amazon.
>>
>>   
>>
>> Meanwhile, what do you members of this group recommend for the treating the leatherette/Naugahyde on our Healey?s for cleaning and restoration.
>>
>>   
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>   
>>
>> Bob Begani
>>
>> 67 BJ8
>>
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Tue Feb  8 16:49:52 2022
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 15:49:52 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] 100 Road draft (vent) pipe fasteners
Message-ID: <122e300b-856b-c131-d542-04c276fa40da@comcast.net>

Anyone know off-hand what type of fasteners are used, Whitworth, or ?

Items# 72 & 76 in the Moss catalog page: 
https://mossmotors.com/external-engine-100-4

TIA,
Bob

From ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz  Tue Feb  8 17:10:18 2022
From: ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz (Mark Donaldson)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 13:10:18 +1300
Subject: [Healeys] Huffaker Healey on BaT
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Message-ID: <001501d81d49$6c0d2ad0$44278070$@xtra.co.nz>

This will be of interest to some of you.

 https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-healey-bt7-huffaker-healey-race-car/

I have a similar car, built by Dennis Lange in Hayward, CA, in the mid-seventies.  

It is also a 1962 tri-carb with a John de Long cam and twin HD8s, and many of the same features, right down to the tramp rods and aircraft knock-down switches.

Mark

Ardmore

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From airtightproductions at me.com  Tue Feb  8 18:40:55 2022
From: airtightproductions at me.com (Steven Kingsbury)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2022 01:40:55 -0000
Subject: [Healeys] 100 Road draft (vent) pipe fasteners
Message-ID: <7db6e008-6ac2-4b27-9e53-e79e9a7e114b@me.com>

Pretty sure you mean #74 & #76, #72 seems to be the pipe itself. If I remember correctly, they are Whitworth on my BN1. I will check tomorrow if no one lets you know sooner. But I seem to remember them being Whitworth.Steven KingsburyBN1On Feb 8, 2022, at 3:58 PM, Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:Anyone know off-hand what type of fasteners are used, Whitworth, or ?Items# 72 & 76 in the Moss catalog page: https://mossmotors.com/external-engine-100-4TIA,Bob_______________________________________________Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlSuggested annual donation  $12.75Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeysHealeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeysUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/airtightproductions at icloud.com
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From cnaarndt at gmail.com  Wed Feb  9 00:24:56 2022
From: cnaarndt at gmail.com (Curtis Arndt)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 23:24:56 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] 100 Road draft (vent) pipe fasteners
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Bob,

If it's on the engine it's Whirworth, 1/4" BSF to be specific in the
question you asked for #74.

Cheers,

Curt.

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 3:58 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

> Anyone know off-hand what type of fasteners are used, Whitworth, or ?
>
> Items# 72 & 76 in the Moss catalog page:
> https://mossmotors.com/external-engine-100-4
>
> TIA,
> Bob
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From ah100tech at gmail.com  Wed Feb  9 03:33:22 2022
From: ah100tech at gmail.com (john harper)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 10:33:22 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] 100 Road draft (vent) pipe fasteners
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All

1/4" BSF

Regards

On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 07:28, Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bob,
>
> If it's on the engine it's Whirworth, 1/4" BSF to be specific in the
> question you asked for #74.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Curt.
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 3:58 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Anyone know off-hand what type of fasteners are used, Whitworth, or ?
>>
>> Items# 72 & 76 in the Moss catalog page:
>> https://mossmotors.com/external-engine-100-4
>>
>> TIA,
>> Bob
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From gradea1 at charter.net  Wed Feb  9 11:15:06 2022
From: gradea1 at charter.net (gradea1 at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2022 18:15:06 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] 100 Road draft (vent) pipe fasteners
Message-ID: <a1d3400d940620bbeeadea58efb82862a47aacab@webmail>

JUST HAD A 100 ENGINE TO REPAIR THE OIL FEED PIPE FITTING ON THE
ROCKER SHAFT 3RD BLOCK, AND EVERYONE MIGHT NOTE THAT THE THREAD FOR
THE SPECIAL BOLT IS 3/8" X 26 HSS. Helicoils are available for those
who have "buggered" the fitting. Be careful when replacing this item
on rebuild. Keep both ends loose until successfully threaded. The
alloy rocker blocks are not easy to come by. Hank, healeyhelper.

	-----------------------------------------From: "Curtis Arndt" 
To: "Bob Spidell"
Cc: "Healeys"
Sent: Tuesday February 8 2022 11:28:21PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 Road draft (vent) pipe fasteners

 Bob, 
 If it's on the engine it's Whirworth, 1/4" BSF to be specific in the
question you asked for #74. 
 Cheers, 
 Curt.  
 On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 3:58 PM Bob Spidell  wrote:
  Anyone know off-hand what type of fasteners are used, Whitworth, or
?

 Items# 72 & 76 in the Moss catalog page:
 [1]https://mossmotors.com/external-engine-100-4 [2]

 TIA,
 Bob
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Wed Feb  9 11:25:46 2022
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 10:25:46 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] 100 Road draft (vent) pipe fasteners
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What does ?HSS? stand for?


> On Feb 9, 2022, at 10:15 AM, gradea1 at charter.net wrote:
> 
> ?Just had a 100 engine to repair the oil feed pipe fitting on the rocker shaft 3rd block, and everyone might note that the thread for the special bolt is 3/8" x 26 HSS. Helicoils are available for those who have "buggered" the fitting. Be careful when replacing this item on rebuild. Keep both ends loose until successfully threaded.  The alloy rocker blocks are not easy to come by. Hank, healeyhelper.
> 
> -----------------------------------------
> 
> From: "Curtis Arndt" 
> To: "Bob Spidell"
> Cc: "Healeys"
> Sent: Tuesday February 8 2022 11:28:21PM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 Road draft (vent) pipe fasteners
> 
> Bob,
> 
> If it's on the engine it's Whirworth, 1/4" BSF to be specific in the question you asked for #74.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Curt.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 3:58 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Anyone know off-hand what type of fasteners are used, Whitworth, or ?
>> 
>> Items# 72 & 76 in the Moss catalog page:
>> https://mossmotors.com/external-engine-100-4
>> 
>> TIA,
>> Bob
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From rchaskell at earthlink.net  Wed Feb  9 11:47:14 2022
From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 13:47:14 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] 100 Road draft (vent) pipe fasteners
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Bob,

HSS - high speed steel.
I think the threads are 3/8"-26 BSF (British Standard Fine).

Cheers,

Bob Haskell
Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar

On 2/9/22 1:25 PM, Bob Spidell wrote:
> What does ?HSS? stand for?
>
>
>> On Feb 9, 2022, at 10:15 AM, gradea1 at charter.net wrote:
>>
>> ?Just had a 100 engine to repair the oil feed pipe fitting on the 
>> rocker shaft 3rd block, and everyone might note that the thread for 
>> the special bolt is *3/8" x 26 HSS*. Helicoils are available for 
>> those who have "buggered" the fitting. Be careful when replacing this 
>> item on rebuild. Keep both ends loose until successfully threaded.? 
>> The alloy rocker blocks are not easy to come by. Hank, healeyhelper.
>>
>> -----------------------------------------
>>
>> From: "Curtis Arndt"
>> To: "Bob Spidell"
>> Cc: "Healeys"
>> Sent: Tuesday February 8 2022 11:28:21PM
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 Road draft (vent) pipe fasteners
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> If it's on the engine it's Whirworth, 1/4" BSF to be specific in?the 
>> question you asked for #74.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Curt.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 3:58 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>     Anyone know off-hand what type of fasteners are used, Whitworth, or ?
>>
>>     Items# 72 & 76 in the Moss catalog page:
>>     https://mossmotors.com/external-engine-100-4
>>
>>     TIA,
>>     Bob
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Wed Feb  9 11:52:39 2022
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 13:52:39 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] 100 Road draft (vent) pipe fasteners
In-Reply-To: <8c080b14-2582-bb56-564f-c025120a01e3@earthlink.net>
References: <a1d3400d940620bbeeadea58efb82862a47aacab@webmail>
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The fasteners wouldn't be HSS ...that is used for machine tools like drill
bits and lathe tools.

M

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 1:47 PM Bob Haskell via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Bob,
>
> HSS - high speed steel.
> I think the threads are 3/8"-26 BSF (British Standard Fine).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob Haskell
> Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
>
> On 2/9/22 1:25 PM, Bob Spidell wrote:
> > What does ?HSS? stand for?
> >
> >
> >> On Feb 9, 2022, at 10:15 AM, gradea1 at charter.net wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Just had a 100 engine to repair the oil feed pipe fitting on the
> >> rocker shaft 3rd block, and everyone might note that the thread for
> >> the special bolt is *3/8" x 26 HSS*. Helicoils are available for
> >> those who have "buggered" the fitting. Be careful when replacing this
> >> item on rebuild. Keep both ends loose until successfully threaded.
> >> The alloy rocker blocks are not easy to come by. Hank, healeyhelper.
> >>
> >> -----------------------------------------
> >>
> >> From: "Curtis Arndt"
> >> To: "Bob Spidell"
> >> Cc: "Healeys"
> >> Sent: Tuesday February 8 2022 11:28:21PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 Road draft (vent) pipe fasteners
> >>
> >> Bob,
> >>
> >> If it's on the engine it's Whirworth, 1/4" BSF to be specific in the
> >> question you asked for #74.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Curt.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 3:58 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>     Anyone know off-hand what type of fasteners are used, Whitworth, or
> ?
> >>
> >>     Items# 72 & 76 in the Moss catalog page:
> >>     https://mossmotors.com/external-engine-100-4
> >>
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> >>     Bob
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Wed Feb  9 12:55:54 2022
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 11:55:54 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] 100 Road draft (vent) pipe fasteners
In-Reply-To: <8c080b14-2582-bb56-564f-c025120a01e3@earthlink.net>
References: <a1d3400d940620bbeeadea58efb82862a47aacab@webmail>
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OK. Thanks.

On 2/9/2022 10:47 AM, Bob Haskell wrote:
> Bob,
>
> HSS - high speed steel.
> I think the threads are 3/8"-26 BSF (British Standard Fine).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob Haskell
> Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
>
> On 2/9/22 1:25 PM, Bob Spidell wrote:
>> What does ?HSS? stand for?
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 9, 2022, at 10:15 AM, gradea1 at charter.net wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Just had a 100 engine to repair the oil feed pipe fitting on the 
>>> rocker shaft 3rd block, and everyone might note that the thread for 
>>> the special bolt is *3/8" x 26 HSS*. Helicoils are available for 
>>> those who have "buggered" the fitting. Be careful when replacing 
>>> this item on rebuild. Keep both ends loose until successfully 
>>> threaded.? The alloy rocker blocks are not easy to come by. Hank, 
>>> healeyhelper.
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------
>>>
>>> From: "Curtis Arndt"
>>> To: "Bob Spidell"
>>> Cc: "Healeys"
>>> Sent: Tuesday February 8 2022 11:28:21PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 Road draft (vent) pipe fasteners
>>>
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>> If it's on the engine it's Whirworth, 1/4" BSF to be specific in?the 
>>> question you asked for #74.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Curt.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 3:58 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ??? Anyone know off-hand what type of fasteners are used, Whitworth, 
>>> or ?
>>>
>>> ??? Items# 72 & 76 in the Moss catalog page:
>>> ??? https://mossmotors.com/external-engine-100-4
>>>
>>> ??? TIA,
>>> ??? Bob
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From ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz  Wed Feb  9 14:56:13 2022
From: ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz (Mark Donaldson)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 10:56:13 +1300
Subject: [Healeys] Healey 3000 Leatherette/Naugahyde cleaning and
 restoring
In-Reply-To: <9FBFDB3B-1D8B-4463-BE75-ABC2DC30CF11@gmail.com>
References: <07db01d81d03$5e38ae70$1aaa0b50$@gmail.com>
 <CADqHe-0mvyZcYm3LdA9pGJHjZYQvV+uvTnK6G=ZJ+rOScq7YcQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <000c01d81dff$db712140$925363c0$@xtra.co.nz>

Extinct, like the Olympia beer ?artesians? at Tumwater, Richard.  ?

 

Mark

 

Ardmore

NZ

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Mayor <boyracer466 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, 9 February 2022 8:21 AM
To: Jon Einhorn <einhornlawoffice at gmail.com>
Cc: Bob Begani <rfbegani at gmail.com>; Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healey 3000 Leatherette/Naugahyde cleaning and restoring

 

Jon,

 

I always wondered where the Naugys originated.  I know that some actually made it to Mexico in the 60s - or maybe it was only the hides.   Thanks for sharing this information. I always thought they had gone extinct.

 

Richard Mayor

Portland, Oregon

 <mailto:boyracer466 at gmail.com> boyracer466 at gmail.com

 

 

 

> On Feb 8, 2022, at 8:01 AM, Jonathan Einhorn < <mailto:einhornlawoffice at gmail.com> einhornlawoffice at gmail.com> wrote:

> 

> Many may not realize that Naugahyde comes from Naugatuck, Connecticut. If you need to replace it, apparently there are still several bands of free-ranging Naugys running throughout Naugatuck. If you are able to catch one (they are fast), you might be able to fashion new Naugahyde seat covers. While Naugys reportedly come in different colors, some say that those variations are due to the latest pollution in the Naugatuck River (another reason for the demise of the former home of Peter & Paul Mounds).

> 

> jon

> 

> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:49 AM < <mailto:rfbegani at gmail.com> rfbegani at gmail.com> wrote:

> After working on the mechanical items of my BJ8 I turned my attention to the upholstery.  It is in excellent condition with no tears or scratches, only a little tired, especially the dashboard.  As I have a bottle of angelus leather dye in Jet black for real leather, I put a layer on the dashboard, and it soaked in quite nicely.  After drying over night with a soft terry cloth clean rag I hand rubbed and buffed the surface to a nice shine.  Now if it was real leather, a further layer of black carnauba shoe polish would be applied.  So, I used Esquire rubbing it in to the surface as I would for leather shoes, let dry and rubbed the surface to a nice shine.

> 

>  

> 

> At the same time, I removed the arm rest from the right-hand door because the Naugahyde had peeled off the frame.  After cleaning off all the hot glue residue and using my handy Craftsman hot glue gun with bonding glue and large binder paper clips to hold the fabric in place after applying the glue the repair was ready for a polishing.  However, I thought I would look up how to restore Naugahyde and was advised to use Mequiar?s natural shine protectant which I will apply to the dashboard also when it comes from Amazon.

> 

>  

> 

> Meanwhile, what do you members of this group recommend for the treating the leatherette/Naugahyde on our Healey?s for cleaning and restoration.

> 

>  

> 

> Regards,

> 

>  

> 

> Bob Begani

> 

> 67 BJ8

> --

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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Thu Feb 10 08:04:23 2022
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 10:04:23 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Stainless steel brake lines
Message-ID: <CAB3i7LLPF3z8yeNaK18hdJUJNN8q4UF=yK696FgyXe2CZ8c9rg@mail.gmail.com>

I have found that one of the first things that has started to show evidence
of corrosion on my restored BN1 are the brake lines and their associated
flare nuts.
I suspect that the plating on these lines is the culprit in that it is very
thin and easily damaged.
I'm contemplating doing a run of stainless steel flare nuts, both male and
female, to use with the stainless steel brake tubing that I have purchased.
Before doing the run I'm trying to gauge if there would be any interest
from people doing restorations in purchasing stainless flare nuts.
Depending upon quantities these would cost between $3 & $5 each  say around
$40 - $ 60 per car set.
At this stage the larger nuts for the master cylinder supply pipes are not
being considered because of cost, the material is expensive.
Please let me know if these would be of interest to you. No commitment at
this stage.

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From gradea1 at charter.net  Thu Feb 10 17:17:11 2022
From: gradea1 at charter.net (gradea1 at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 00:17:11 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] 100  fasteners
Message-ID: <dc976064000d6de6108706c6e23ef61fb5d68f0c@webmail>

I DON'T WANT TO BE A SMART ASS, HERE LIKE RALPH FOUND IN "CHRISTMAS
STORY", AND STICK MY TONGUE TO A LIGHT POLE, BUT THE TREADS FOUND ON
MY ROCKER OIL FEED PIPE ARE HSS, 26TPI. Here are two measurements with
a gauge showing the pattern. If it was 3/8 x24 UNF the job would be
done. However, I had to order a special $65 kit for the HSS Helicoils
to repair this block.
Now, here are our 55 degree choices: UNF 3/8 X 24, BSW 3/8 x 16, BSF
3/8 X 20, HSS 3/8 x26, BSC (old CEI) 3/8 x 26 as well, or BSPF 3/8 x
19. Unless someone re-lathed this part it is factory 26TPI for
sure-ran a tap and die in both parts.
A note in the Sept. 1956 parts book refers to a service change shown
here. (Vol 25, p.13 engine) The BMC group is trying to standardize
this item. Accordingly, it appears to have been UNF (11B122) on the
2.2 Diesel engine and then changed to BSF (11B 298) at engine #225030.
This engine I'm doing is from 1953 so who knows what the correct part
is?
In my March 1954 parts book the number for the "valve rocker bracket
with tapped hole" is 1B2110 and locating pin is 1B2111. (no mention of
TPI) That changed to 11B298 and 99.(BSF) in 1956. Of course the later
6-cyl. engines used AEC162-probably unified, but maybe still BSF.
If someone has the right answer, I will stick my tongue to a light
pole. Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: "Michael Salter" 
To: "Bob Haskell"
Cc: "Bob Spidell", "Hank Leach", "Healeys"
Sent: Wednesday February 9 2022 10:52:51AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 Road draft (vent) pipe fasteners

  The fasteners wouldn't be HSS ...that is used for machine tools like
drill bits and lathe tools. 
 M

 On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 1:47 PM Bob Haskell via Healeys  wrote:
  Bob,

 HSS - high speed steel.
 I think the threads are 3/8"-26 BSF (British Standard Fine).

 Cheers,

 Bob Haskell
 Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar

 On 2/9/22 1:25 PM, Bob Spidell wrote:
 > What does ?HSS? stand for?
 >
 >
 >> On Feb 9, 2022, at 10:15 AM, gradea1 at charter.net wrote:
 >>
 >> ?Just had a 100 engine to repair the oil feed pipe fitting on
the
 >> rocker shaft 3rd block, and everyone might note that the thread
for
 >> the special bolt is *3/8" x 26 HSS*. Helicoils are available for
 >> those who have "buggered" the fitting. Be careful when replacing
this
 >> item on rebuild. Keep both ends loose until successfully threaded.

 >> The alloy rocker blocks are not easy to come by. Hank,
healeyhelper.
 >>
 >> -----------------------------------------
 >>
 >> From: "Curtis Arndt"
 >> To: "Bob Spidell"
 >> Cc: "Healeys"
 >> Sent: Tuesday February 8 2022 11:28:21PM
 >> Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 Road draft (vent) pipe fasteners
 >>
 >> Bob,
 >>
 >> If it's on the engine it's Whirworth, 1/4" BSF to be specific in
the
 >> question you asked for #74.
 >>
 >> Cheers,
 >>
 >> Curt.
 >>
 >> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 3:58 PM Bob Spidell  wrote:
 >>
 >> Anyone know off-hand what type of fasteners are used, Whitworth,
or ?
 >>
 >> Items# 72 & 76 in the Moss catalog page:
 >>  [1]https://mossmotors.com/external-engine-100-4 [2]
 >>
 >> TIA,
 >> Bob
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From cnaarndt at gmail.com  Thu Feb 10 19:22:21 2022
From: cnaarndt at gmail.com (Curtis Arndt)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:22:21 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] 100 fasteners
In-Reply-To: <dc976064000d6de6108706c6e23ef61fb5d68f0c@webmail>
References: <dc976064000d6de6108706c6e23ef61fb5d68f0c@webmail>
Message-ID: <CAJKrNeT_ghiwQMrkXQzGXdNzsr09qbHFiUVMazzQhfpL3+ZZzQ@mail.gmail.com>

Regarding the steel and strength ratings of British and other fasteners,
they were either *"Mild"* Steel (British grades unmarked or A, B, C or K
for nuts with "B" being the most common after unmarked) or *"High Tensile"*
steel (all other letter grades D-G [pre 1950] and R-Y [post 1950]).  The
confusion appears in calling "*High Tensile Steel*" - "High Speed Steel" as
Michael has pointed out.

See my attached article...

Also with regard to fastener listings in the various parts manuals and
other BMC publications, if a fastener is noted with a "part number", it is
typically a Whitworth type thread form. When the changeover to "Unified "
fasteners occurred in the mid 1950s, all Unified fasteners were noted with
a new designation, describing in code the size of the fastener.  I would
assume that all Unified fasteners fell under this new coding system... But
we know what happens when we assume.

BTW, this Unified fastener coding is published in a chart that most of you
should be familiar with by now.

For those unfamiliar, the "British Standards" define "Whitworth" as all
thread forms with a pitch angle of the threads measuring 55?, e.g., BSW,
BSF, BSPP, BSPT, BSB, etc... This is in contrast to Unified (UNF/UNC), SAE
and BSCy thread forms which have 60? pitch angle of the threads.   This is
why British Standard Cycle are NOT a Whitworth thread form despite the bolt
heads using BSW/BSF spanners, and what is erroneously published in
Wikipedia... But I digress.

That being said, I would assume that part numbers (11B122 and 11B 298) are
both Whitworth fasteners since they are listed as part numbers.  Again, we
all know what happens when we assume! Since these are specialty fasteners,
and not your run of the mill bolts, who knows how BMC designated them? One
may be BSF and the other UNF.  Measure twice or have a Helicoil kit on hand!

Cheers,

Curt

On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 4:23 PM Henry G Leach via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I don't want to be a smart ass, here like Ralph found in "Christmas
> Story", and stick my tongue to a light pole, but the treads found on my
> rocker oil feed pipe are *HSS, 26TPI*. Here are two measurements with a
> gauge showing the pattern. If it was 3/8 x24 UNF the job would be done.
> However, I had to order a special $65 kit for the HSS Helicoils to repair
> this block.
>
> Now, here are our 55 degree choices: *UNF 3/8 x 24*, BSW 3/8 x 16, *BSF
> 3/8 x 20*, HSS 3/8 x26, BSC (old CEI) 3/8 x 26 as well, or BSPF 3/8 x 19.
> Unless someone re-lathed this part it is factory 26TPI for sure-ran a tap
> and die in both parts.
>
> A note in the Sept. 1956 parts book refers to a service change shown here.
> (Vol 25, p.13 engine) The BMC group is trying to standardize this item.
> Accordingly, it appears to have been UNF (11B122) on the 2.2 Diesel engine
> and then changed to BSF (11B 298) at engine #225030. This engine I'm doing
> is from 1953 so who knows what the correct part is?
>
> In my March 1954 parts book the number for the "valve rocker bracket with
> tapped hole" is 1B2110 and  locating pin is 1B2111. (no mention of TPI)
> That changed to 11B298 and 99.(BSF) in 1956. Of course the later 6-cyl.
> engines used AEC162-probably unified, but maybe still BSF.
>
> If someone has the right answer, I will stick my tongue to a light pole.
> Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
> From: "Michael Salter"
> To: "Bob Haskell"
> Cc: "Bob Spidell", "Hank Leach", "Healeys"
> Sent: Wednesday February 9 2022 10:52:51AM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 Road draft (vent) pipe fasteners
>
> The fasteners wouldn't be HSS ...that is used for machine tools like drill
> bits and lathe tools.
>
> M
>
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 1:47 PM Bob Haskell via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> HSS - high speed steel.
>> I think the threads are 3/8"-26 BSF (British Standard Fine).
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bob Haskell
>> Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
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From gradea1 at charter.net  Fri Feb 11 14:26:42 2022
From: gradea1 at charter.net (gradea1 at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 21:26:42 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] 100 fasteners
Message-ID: <fb10586941d02a7c81e3866ddbbbefd3d6169fec@webmail>

Thanks to Curt for this accurate and informative article. I totally
agree that the early part numbers ie: 1B--- would designate British
fasteners, and the later three letter, three number designation
aligned the UNF hardware. That is our best clue to what was used back
then. 
This early engine has stumped me on a number of occasions and I really
feel that for that first year anything goes to get the product to the
market...a real scramble. I have a notion that this engine was sitting
in stock as surplus A-90 leftovers. The block was factory painted dk.
blue. The head on this car was "Gold Seal" rebuilt. The threads I
discussed, are most definitely British Standard Cycle (CEI) 26 TPI..
Many of the studs are BSF on one end and BSC on the other. Luckily,
these parts are available from British Tool & Fasteners, including a
full line of BSC hardware. Unfortunately they were out of 3/8 BSC
helicoils, so I had to get some from, you guessed it... Amazon. Big $$
rather than Pence. 
Yes, all this is another great unsolved mystery in Austin/BMC history.
But, what else would we have to discuss...covid? Regards, Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: "Curtis Arndt" 
To: "Hank Leach"
Cc: "Michael Salter", "Healeys", "Bob Haskell", "Curtis Arndt"
Sent: Thursday February 10 2022 6:22:39PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 fasteners

  Regarding the steel and strength ratings of British and other
fasteners, they were either "Mild" Steel (British grades unmarked or
A, B, C or K for nuts with "B" being the most common after unmarked)
or "High Tensile" steel (all other letter grades D-G [pre 1950] and
R-Y [post 1950]). The confusion appears in calling "High Tensile
Steel" - "High Speed Steel" as Michael has pointed out. 
 See my attached article... 
 Also with regard to fastener listings in the various parts manuals
and other BMC publications, if a fastener is noted with a "part
number", it is typically a Whitworth type thread form. When the
changeover to "Unified " fasteners occurred in the mid 1950s, all
Unified fasteners were noted with a new designation, describing in
code the size of the fastener. I would assume that all Unified
fasteners fell under this new coding system... But we know what
happens when we assume. 
 BTW, this Unified fastener coding is published in a chart that most
of you should be familiar with by now. 
 For those unfamiliar, the "British Standards" define "Whitworth" as
all thread forms with a pitch angle of the threads measuring 55?,
e.g., BSW, BSF, BSPP, BSPT, BSB, etc... This is in contrast to Unified
(UNF/UNC), SAE and BSCy thread forms which have 60? pitch angle of
the threads.   This is why British Standard Cycle are NOT a Whitworth
thread form despite the bolt heads using BSW/BSF spanners, and what is
erroneously published in Wikipedia... But I digress. 
 That being said, I would assume that part numbers (11B122 and 11B
298) are both Whitworth fasteners since they are listed as part
numbers. Again, we all know what happens when we assume! Since these
are specialty fasteners, and not your run of the mill bolts, who knows
how BMC designated them? One may be BSF and the other UNF. Measure
twice or have a Helicoil kit on hand! 
 Cheers,  
 Curt  
 On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 4:23 PM Henry G Leach via Healeys  wrote:
  I DON'T WANT TO BE A SMART ASS, HERE LIKE RALPH FOUND IN "CHRISTMAS
STORY", AND STICK MY TONGUE TO A LIGHT POLE, BUT THE TREADS FOUND ON
MY ROCKER OIL FEED PIPE ARE HSS, 26TPI. Here are two measurements with
a gauge showing the pattern. If it was 3/8 x24 UNF the job would be
done. However, I had to order a special $65 kit for the HSS Helicoils
to repair this block. 
 Now, here are our 55 degree choices: UNF 3/8 X 24, BSW 3/8 x 16, BSF
3/8 X 20, HSS 3/8 x26, BSC (old CEI) 3/8 x 26 as well, or BSPF 3/8 x
19. Unless someone re-lathed this part it is factory 26TPI for
sure-ran a tap and die in both parts. 
 A note in the Sept. 1956 parts book refers to a service change shown
here. (Vol 25, p.13 engine) The BMC group is trying to standardize
this item. Accordingly, it appears to have been UNF (11B122) on the
2.2 Diesel engine and then changed to BSF (11B 298) at engine #225030.
This engine I'm doing is from 1953 so who knows what the correct part
is? 
 In my March 1954 parts book the number for the "valve rocker bracket
with tapped hole" is 1B2110 and locating pin is 1B2111. (no mention of
TPI) That changed to 11B298 and 99.(BSF) in 1956. Of course the later
6-cyl. engines used AEC162-probably unified, but maybe still BSF. 
 If someone has the right answer, I will stick my tongue to a light
pole. Hank 

	----------------------------------------- From: "Michael Salter"
 To: "Bob Haskell"
 Cc: "Bob Spidell", "Hank Leach", "Healeys"
 Sent: Wednesday February 9 2022 10:52:51AM
 Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 Road draft (vent) pipe fasteners

 The fasteners wouldn't be HSS ...that is used for machine tools like
drill bits and lathe tools.  
  M

 On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 1:47 PM Bob Haskell via Healeys  wrote:
  Bob,

 HSS - high speed steel.
 I think the threads are 3/8"-26 BSF (British Standard Fine).

 Cheers,

 Bob Haskell
 Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
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From rchaskell at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 11 14:42:06 2022
From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 16:42:06 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] 100 fasteners
In-Reply-To: <fb10586941d02a7c81e3866ddbbbefd3d6169fec@webmail>
References: <fb10586941d02a7c81e3866ddbbbefd3d6169fec@webmail>
Message-ID: <73e36bf6-4433-61f0-da0d-0ab2615c014a@earthlink.net>

Hank,

I wonder, since it is an "oil line", could the threads be BSB - British 
Standard Brass?? I realize that the screw is steel threading into 
aluminum, not brass.? BSB is a 55 degree thread form.? CEI/BSC is 60 
degree.

Various threads are described on British Tools and Fastener's web site: 
https://britishfasteners.com/threads-bsb

Cheers,

Bob Haskell
Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar

On 2/11/22 4:26 PM, gradea1 at charter.net wrote:
> Thanks to Curt for this accurate and informative article. I totally 
> agree that the early part numbers ie: 1B--- would designate British 
> fasteners, and the later three letter, three number designation 
> aligned the UNF hardware.? That is our best clue to what was used back 
> then.
>
> This early engine has stumped me on a number of occasions and I really 
> feel that for that first year anything goes to get the product to the 
> market...a real scramble. I have a notion that this engine was sitting 
> in stock as surplus A-90 leftovers.? The block was factory painted dk. 
> blue. The head on this car was "Gold Seal" rebuilt. The threads I 
> discussed, are most definitely British Standard Cycle (CEI) 26 TPI..? 
> Many of the studs are BSF on one end and BSC on the other. Luckily, 
> these parts are available from British Tool & Fasteners, including a 
> full line of BSC hardware. Unfortunately they were out of 3/8 BSC 
> helicoils, so I had to get some from, you guessed it... Amazon. Big $$ 
> rather than Pence.
>
> Yes, all this is another great unsolved mystery in Austin/BMC history. 
> But, what else would we have to discuss...covid? Regards, Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> From: "Curtis Arndt"
> To: "Hank Leach"
> Cc: "Michael Salter", "Healeys", "Bob Haskell", "Curtis Arndt"
> Sent: Thursday February 10 2022 6:22:39PM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 fasteners
>
> Regarding the steel and strength ratings of British and other 
> fasteners, they were either _"Mild"_ Steel (British grades unmarked or 
> A, B, C or K for nuts with "B" being the most common after unmarked) 
> or _"High Tensile"_ steel (all other letter grades D-G [pre 1950] and 
> R-Y [post 1950]).? The confusion appears in calling "_High Tensile 
> Steel_" - "High Speed Steel" as Michael has pointed out.
>
> See my attached article...
>
> Also with regard to fastener listings in the various parts manuals and 
> other BMC publications, if a fastener is noted with a "part number", 
> it is typically a Whitworth type thread form. When the changeover to 
> "Unified?" fasteners occurred?in the mid 1950s, all Unified fasteners 
> were noted with a new designation, describing in code the size of the 
> fastener.??I would assume that all Unified fasteners fell under this 
> new coding system... But we know what happens when we assume.
>
> BTW, this Unified fastener coding is published in a chart that most of 
> you should be familiar?with?by now.
>
> For those unfamiliar, the "British Standards" define "Whitworth" as 
> all thread forms with a pitch angle of the threads measuring 55?, 
> e.g., BSW, BSF, BSPP, BSPT, BSB, etc... This is in contrast to Unified 
> (UNF/UNC), SAE and BSCy thread forms which have 60? pitch angle of the 
> threads.?This is why British Standard Cycle are NOT a Whitworth thread 
> form despite the bolt heads using BSW/BSF spanners, and what is 
> erroneously published in Wikipedia... But I digress.
>
> That being said, I would assume that part numbers (11B122 and 11B 298) 
> are both Whitworth fasteners since they are?listed as part numbers.? 
> Again, we all know what?happens when we assume! Since these are 
> specialty fasteners, and not your run of the mill bolts, who knows how 
> BMC designated them? One may be BSF and the other UNF.? Measure twice 
> or have a Helicoil kit on hand!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Curt
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 4:23 PM Henry G Leach via Healeys 
> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>     I don't want to be a smart ass, here like Ralph found in
>     "Christmas Story", and stick my tongue to a light pole, but the
>     treads found on my rocker oil feed pipe are *HSS, 26TPI*. Here are
>     two measurements with a gauge showing the pattern. If it was 3/8
>     x24 UNF the job would be done.? However, I had to order a special
>     $65 kit for the HSS Helicoils to repair this block.
>
>     Now, here are our 55 degree choices: *UNF 3/8 x 24*, BSW 3/8 x 16,
>     *BSF 3/8 x 20*, HSS 3/8 x26, BSC (old CEI) 3/8 x 26 as well, or
>     BSPF 3/8 x 19. Unless someone re-lathed this part it is factory
>     26TPI for sure-ran a tap and die in both parts.
>
>     A note in the Sept. 1956 parts book refers to a service change
>     shown here. (Vol 25, p.13 engine) The BMC group is trying to
>     standardize this item.? Accordingly, it appears to have been UNF
>     (11B122) on the 2.2 Diesel engine and then changed to BSF (11B
>     298) at engine #225030. This engine I'm doing is from 1953 so who
>     knows what the correct part is?
>
>     In my March 1954 parts book the number for the "valve rocker
>     bracket with tapped hole" is 1B2110 and??locating pin is 1B2111.
>     (no mention of TPI)? That changed to 11B298 and 99.(BSF) in 1956.
>     Of course the later 6-cyl. engines used AEC162-probably unified,
>     but maybe still BSF.
>
>     If someone has the right answer, I will stick my tongue to a light
>     pole.? Hank
>
>     -----------------------------------------
>
>     From: "Michael Salter"
>     To: "Bob Haskell"
>     Cc: "Bob Spidell", "Hank Leach", "Healeys"
>     Sent: Wednesday February 9 2022 10:52:51AM
>     Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 Road draft (vent) pipe fasteners
>
>     The fasteners wouldn't be HSS ...that is used for machine tools
>     like drill bits and lathe tools.
>
>     M
>
>     On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 1:47 PM Bob Haskell via Healeys
>     <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>         Bob,
>
>         HSS - high speed steel.
>         I think the threads are 3/8"-26 BSF (British Standard Fine).
>
>         Cheers,
>
>         Bob Haskell
>         Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
>


From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com  Fri Feb 11 16:10:18 2022
From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 23:10:18 -0000
Subject: [Healeys] Engine
Message-ID: <000001d81f9c$89f98520$9dec8f60$@alexarevel.plus.com>

Excuse my ignorance, but can anyone identify this?

Main query being is it  from a 100/6 or a 3000, hopefully a BJ7?

Thanks,

Simon

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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 16:38:20 2022
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 15:38:20 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Engine
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have you got a photo of th either side and hopefully an engine # plate
Ira Erbs
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On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 3:11 PM Simon Lachlan via Healeys <
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> Excuse my ignorance, but can anyone identify this?
>
> Main query being is it  from a 100/6 or a 3000, hopefully a BJ7?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Simon
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From bluehealey at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 17:08:30 2022
From: bluehealey at gmail.com (Bluehealey)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 00:08:30 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Engine
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Looks like a 29D lump to me.

AlanB

> On 11 Feb 2022, at 23:11, Simon Lachlan via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Excuse my ignorance, but can anyone identify this?
> Main query being is it  from a 100/6 or a 3000, hopefully a BJ7?
> Thanks,
> Simon
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From rchaskell at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 11 17:15:02 2022
From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:15:02 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Engine
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Simon,

Mechanical tach drive means BJ7 or older.

As Ira says, the engine ID plate would help.? If the numbers starts with:
 ??? 26 ->100-6
 ??? 29D ->3000 MkI
 ??? 29E -> 3000 MkII (BT7 & BN7)
 ??? 29F -> 3000 Mk II BJ7

Does it have an intake manifold? Valve cover is on backwards.? Generator 
bracket is broken.

Cheers,

Bob Haskell
Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar

On 2/11/22 6:10 PM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote:
>
> Excuse my ignorance, but can anyone identify this?
>
> Main query being is it? from a 100/6 or a 3000, hopefully a BJ7?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Simon
>
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From boyracer466 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 17:37:45 2022
From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (Ricchardd Mayor)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 16:37:45 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Engine
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It?s impossible to tell from looking at this side of the engine. Take a photo of the other side so we can see where the engine tag was located. 


Richard Mayor
Portland, Oregon
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> On Feb 11, 2022, at 3:10 PM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Excuse my ignorance, but can anyone identify this?
> Main query being is it  from a 100/6 or a 3000, hopefully a BJ7?
> Thanks,
> Simon
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From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com  Fri Feb 11 17:46:06 2022
From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 00:46:06 -0000
Subject: [Healeys] Engine
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OK, here?s the plate. Yes, it?s a BJ7. I know that, after checking in my books. But, my concern is this:- does the plate in the pic belong to the engine in the other pic? 

Hence the hope that one can identify the engine by looking at it?..

Simon

 

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Sent: 12 February 2022 00:38
To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Engine

 

It?s impossible to tell from looking at this side of the engine. Take a photo of the other side so we can see where the engine tag was located. 

 

 

Richard Mayor

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Excuse my ignorance, but can anyone identify this?

Main query being is it  from a 100/6 or a 3000, hopefully a BJ7?

Thanks,

Simon

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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 18:07:46 2022
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:07:46 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Engine
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Well it's not a BJ8 because the dipstick tube in not BJ8.

M

On Fri., Feb. 11, 2022, 7:46 p.m. Simon Lachlan via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> OK, here?s the plate. Yes, it?s a BJ7. I know that, after checking in my
> books. But, my concern is this:- does the plate in the pic belong to the
> engine in the other pic?
>
> Hence the hope that one can identify the engine by looking at it?..
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> *From:* Ricchardd Mayor <boyracer466 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 12 February 2022 00:38
> *To:* simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com
> *Cc:* Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Engine
>
>
>
> It?s impossible to tell from looking at this side of the engine. Take a
> photo of the other side so we can see where the engine tag was located.
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard Mayor
>
> Portland, Oregon
>
> boyracer466 at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 11, 2022, at 3:10 PM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Excuse my ignorance, but can anyone identify this?
>
> Main query being is it  from a 100/6 or a 3000, hopefully a BJ7?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Simon
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From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 17:38:42 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Engine
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From healey.nut at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 19:56:50 2022
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 10:56:50 +0800
Subject: [Healeys] Stainless steel brake lines
In-Reply-To: <CAB3i7LLPF3z8yeNaK18hdJUJNN8q4UF=yK696FgyXe2CZ8c9rg@mail.gmail.com>
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Michael -

You can count me in for the fittings.  I actually have good use for them.

Best Regards,

Alan

On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 11:05 PM, Michael Salter via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I have found that one of the first things that has started to show
> evidence of corrosion on my restored BN1 are the brake lines and their
> associated flare nuts.
> I suspect that the plating on these lines is the culprit in that it is
> very thin and easily damaged.
> I'm contemplating doing a run of stainless steel flare nuts, both male and
> female, to use with the stainless steel brake tubing that I have purchased.
> Before doing the run I'm trying to gauge if there would be any interest
> from people doing restorations in purchasing stainless flare nuts.
> Depending upon quantities these would cost between $3 & $5 each  say
> around $40 - $ 60 per car set.
> At this stage the larger nuts for the master cylinder supply pipes are not
> being considered because of cost, the material is expensive.
> Please let me know if these would be of interest to you. No commitment at
> this stage.
>
> M
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From healeydoc at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb 11 21:38:09 2022
From: healeydoc at sbcglobal.net (David Nock)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:38:09 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Stainless steel brake lines
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They are already available. I will check when I get back to the shop on Tuesday 

David Nock

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Alan Seigrist via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Michael -
> 
> You can count me in for the fittings.  I actually have good use for them.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Alan
> 
>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 11:05 PM, Michael Salter via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> I have found that one of the first things that has started to show evidence of corrosion on my restored BN1 are the brake lines and their associated flare nuts.
>> I suspect that the plating on these lines is the culprit in that it is very thin and easily damaged.
>> I'm contemplating doing a run of stainless steel flare nuts, both male and female, to use with the stainless steel brake tubing that I have purchased. 
>> Before doing the run I'm trying to gauge if there would be any interest from people doing restorations in purchasing stainless flare nuts. 
>> Depending upon quantities these would cost between $3 & $5 each  say around $40 - $ 60 per car set. 
>> At this stage the larger nuts for the master cylinder supply pipes are not being considered because of cost, the material is expensive.
>> Please let me know if these would be of interest to you. No commitment at this stage.
>> 
>> M
>> 
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From bluehealey at gmail.com  Sat Feb 12 01:46:55 2022
From: bluehealey at gmail.com (Bluehealey)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 08:46:55 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Engine
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I don?t believe the plate is correct for that engine. 29F has the dipstick location cast into the block in a higher location.
I?m sticking with 29D.

AlanB

> On 12 Feb 2022, at 00:46, Simon Lachlan via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> OK, here?s the plate. Yes, it?s a BJ7. I know that, after checking in my books. But, my concern is this:- does the plate in the pic belong to the engine in the other pic?
> Hence the hope that one can identify the engine by looking at it?..
> Simon
>  
> From: Ricchardd Mayor <boyracer466 at gmail.com> 
> Sent: 12 February 2022 00:38
> To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com
> Cc: Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Engine
>  
> It?s impossible to tell from looking at this side of the engine. Take a photo of the other side so we can see where the engine tag was located. 
>  
>  
> Richard Mayor
> Portland, Oregon
> boyracer466 at gmail.com
>  
>  
>  
> 
>  
> On Feb 11, 2022, at 3:10 PM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
> Excuse my ignorance, but can anyone identify this?
> Main query being is it  from a 100/6 or a 3000, hopefully a BJ7?
> Thanks,
> Simon
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From sbyers at ec.rr.com  Sat Feb 12 04:19:44 2022
From: sbyers at ec.rr.com (BJ8Healeys)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 06:19:44 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Engine
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The Phase 1 BJ8s (up to engine 29K/H278) had the dipstick tube behind the engine mount, like the BJ7s, and used the shorter dipstick.  After engine /H278, BJ8s had the dipstick tube in front of the engine mount and higher on the block, requiring a longer dipstick.  The mechanical tach drive says the engine is BJ7 or earlier.  BJ8 tachs were electrical.

 

The engine serial tag is a factory original tag.  However, the drive rivets attaching the serial tag to the engine are flattened on top, likely from being driven in with a hammer.  To me, this indicates the tag has been removed at some point and is no longer a factory installation.  Once it is has been removed, there is no way to identify the tag as original to that engine.  It may or may not be.

 

Steve Byers

BJ8 Registry

AHCA Delegate at Large

Havelock, NC  USA

 

From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Michael Salter via Healeys
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 8:08 PM
To: Simon Lachlan
Cc: Healeys
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Engine

 

Well it's not a BJ8 because the dipstick tube in not BJ8.

 

M

 

On Fri., Feb. 11, 2022, 7:46 p.m. Simon Lachlan via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

OK, here?s the plate. Yes, it?s a BJ7. I know that, after checking in my books. But, my concern is this:- does the plate in the pic belong to the engine in the other pic? 

Hence the hope that one can identify the engine by looking at it?..

Simon

 

From: Ricchardd Mayor <boyracer466 at gmail.com> 
Sent: 12 February 2022 00:38
To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com
Cc: Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Engine

 

It?s impossible to tell from looking at this side of the engine. Take a photo of the other side so we can see where the engine tag was located. 

 

 

Richard Mayor

Portland, Oregon

boyracer466 at gmail.com

 

 

 

 

On Feb 11, 2022, at 3:10 PM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

 

Excuse my ignorance, but can anyone identify this?

Main query being is it  from a 100/6 or a 3000, hopefully a BJ7?

Thanks,

Simon

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From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca  Sat Feb 12 05:56:47 2022
From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 07:56:47 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Stainless steel brake lines
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Mike,  I assume the fitting will be the same for a BT7, in which case put me down for a set too.

Thanks for the offer,

 

Mirek

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Salter via Healeys
Sent: February 10, 2022 10:04 AM
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: [Healeys] Stainless steel brake lines

 

I have found that one of the first things that has started to show evidence of corrosion on my restored BN1 are the brake lines and their associated flare nuts.

I suspect that the plating on these lines is the culprit in that it is very thin and easily damaged.

I'm contemplating doing a run of stainless steel flare nuts, both male and female, to use with the stainless steel brake tubing that I have purchased. 

Before doing the run I'm trying to gauge if there would be any interest from people doing restorations in purchasing stainless flare nuts. 

Depending upon quantities these would cost between $3 & $5 each  say around $40 - $ 60 per car set. 

At this stage the larger nuts for the master cylinder supply pipes are not being considered because of cost, the material is expensive.

Please let me know if these would be of interest to you. No commitment at this stage.

 

M

 

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From rchaskell at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 12 06:47:03 2022
From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 08:47:03 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Clutch Bleeder Extensions
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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 12 08:04:15 2022
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 07:04:15 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Clutch Bleeder Extensions
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How are the 5spd different?
I have an original one and  it seems yo work on my car with the 5spd box.
It attaches to mu oem slave cyl

Ira Erbs
1959 AH 100-6
1967 MGB
Milwaukie, OR

On Sat, Feb 12, 2022, 5:47 AM Bob Haskell via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Just wanted to let you know I'm sold out of the clutch bleeder extensions
> for the 6 cylinders.  If there's interest, I can make another batch.  Let
> me know.
>
> Is there a need for one for the Toyota 5 speed conversions?
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob Haskell
> Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
>
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From rchaskell at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 12 08:31:17 2022
From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 10:31:17 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Clutch Bleeder Extensions
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Ira,

I've not had a good look at the Toyota installation.? Does it use the 
original Girling slave cylinder, in the original location?? I sent an 
email to Pete Delaney, but haven't heard back yet.

Cheers,

Bob Haskell
Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar

On 2/12/22 10:04 AM, i erbs wrote:
> How are the 5spd different?
> I have an original one and? it seems yo work on my car with the 5spd 
> box. It attaches to mu oem slave cyl
>
> Ira Erbs
> 1959 AH 100-6
> 1967 MGB
> Milwaukie, OR
>
> On Sat, Feb 12, 2022, 5:47 AM Bob Haskell via Healeys 
> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>     Just wanted to let you know I'm sold out of the clutch bleeder
>     extensions for the 6 cylinders.? If there's interest, I can make
>     another batch.? Let me know.
>
>     Is there a need for one for the Toyota 5 speed conversions?
>
>     Cheers,
>
>     Bob Haskell
>     Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
>
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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 12 08:45:01 2022
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 07:45:01 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Clutch Bleeder Extensions
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I used my original slave. The biggest issue for my was the fulcrum bolt for
the fork.  I still don't think I got it right. I don't remember if I made a
longer push rod or not

Ira Erbs
1959 AH 100-6
1967 MGB
Milwaukie, OR

On Sat, Feb 12, 2022, 7:31 AM Bob Haskell <rchaskell at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Ira,
>
> I've not had a good look at the Toyota installation.  Does it use the
> original Girling slave cylinder, in the original location?  I sent an
> email to Pete Delaney, but haven't heard back yet.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob Haskell
> Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
>
> On 2/12/22 10:04 AM, i erbs wrote:
> > How are the 5spd different?
> > I have an original one and  it seems yo work on my car with the 5spd
> > box. It attaches to mu oem slave cyl
> >
> > Ira Erbs
> > 1959 AH 100-6
> > 1967 MGB
> > Milwaukie, OR
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 12, 2022, 5:47 AM Bob Haskell via Healeys
> > <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> >     Just wanted to let you know I'm sold out of the clutch bleeder
> >     extensions for the 6 cylinders.  If there's interest, I can make
> >     another batch.  Let me know.
> >
> >     Is there a need for one for the Toyota 5 speed conversions?
> >
> >     Cheers,
> >
> >     Bob Haskell
> >     Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
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From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca  Sat Feb 12 09:03:00 2022
From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 11:03:00 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Clutch Bleeder Extensions
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FYI, I have one of Bob?s extensions which I decided not to instal.  If anybody needs one, contact me off list and I will sell it for what I paid for it.  It was never installed, so is just as Bob sent it to me.

 

Cheers, Mirek

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob Haskell via Healeys
Sent: February 12, 2022 8:47 AM
To: Healey List <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Clutch Bleeder Extensions

 

Just wanted to let you know I'm sold out of the clutch bleeder extensions for the 6 cylinders.  If there's interest, I can make another batch.  Let me know.

Is there a need for one for the Toyota 5 speed conversions?



 
Cheers,
 
Bob Haskell
Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
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From drtommitch at gmail.com  Sat Feb 12 09:27:39 2022
From: drtommitch at gmail.com (Tom Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 11:27:39 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Clutch Bleeder Extensions
In-Reply-To: <41d8074a-e271-807b-f865-b5585b5417b1@earthlink.net>
References: <ab861c54-4f22-f47a-5afb-d9fba71cb96e@earthlink.net>
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I've done a couple Toyota 5 speed conversions, Petes and the original (the
business that I believe Pete bought).

Yes it uses the original slave (are we allowed to call it that?) cylinder.

Both kits supplied a different bell housing and IMHO you must use an
extender as it's impossible to bleed otherwise.
I do like how the upper bolt for the secondary cylinder is a pin, making
the cylinder much easier to remove and install. I've done this on
non non-modified transmissions

So far for both kits I have had to make a different secondary cylinder pin
(using a grade 8 bolt as a base). Pete's kit is superior to the original,
yet as per our Healey's nothing fits perfectly without some help

Tom Mitchell
65 BJ8

On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 10:31 AM Bob Haskell via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Ira,
>
> I've not had a good look at the Toyota installation.  Does it use the
> original Girling slave cylinder, in the original location?  I sent an
> email to Pete Delaney, but haven't heard back yet.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob Haskell
> Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
>
> On 2/12/22 10:04 AM, i erbs wrote:
> > How are the 5spd different?
> > I have an original one and  it seems yo work on my car with the 5spd
> > box. It attaches to mu oem slave cyl
> >
> > Ira Erbs
> > 1959 AH 100-6
> > 1967 MGB
> > Milwaukie, OR
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 12, 2022, 5:47 AM Bob Haskell via Healeys
> > <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> >     Just wanted to let you know I'm sold out of the clutch bleeder
> >     extensions for the 6 cylinders.  If there's interest, I can make
> >     another batch.  Let me know.
> >
> >     Is there a need for one for the Toyota 5 speed conversions?
> >
> >     Cheers,
> >
> >     Bob Haskell
> >     Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
> >
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From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com  Sat Feb 12 12:03:11 2022
From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 19:03:11 -0000
Subject: [Healeys] Engine
Message-ID: <000001d82043$30a61cc0$91f25640$@alexarevel.plus.com>

Hi,

Thanks to everyone who responded.

In the end I gave up. I asked the vendor if the plate in the pic was on that
particular engine pictured. I got a very garbled reply which, I think,
meant, "No".

He further elucidated with some very muddled and muddling messages. I don't
know if he's one can short of a six-pack or what. However, he's located
about as far as on can get in driving time in England from where I live. We
don't have distances here but we surely have traffic...

Anyhow, I'll forget it.

Thanks again,

Simon

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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 12 13:02:49 2022
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 12:02:49 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Engine
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References: <000001d82043$30a61cc0$91f25640$@alexarevel.plus.com>
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seems like the best bet. Unless you are up for a drive, he sounds flakey.
Ira Erbs
Milwaukie,OR
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On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 11:04 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Thanks to everyone who responded.
>
> In the end I gave up. I asked the vendor if the plate in the pic was on
> that particular engine pictured. I got a very garbled reply which, I think,
> meant, ?No?.
>
> He further elucidated with some very muddled and muddling messages. I
> don?t know if he?s one can short of a six-pack or what. However, he?s
> located about as far as on can get in driving time in England from where I
> live. We don?t have distances here but we surely have traffic?..
>
> Anyhow, I?ll forget it.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Simon
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From michael.oritt at gmail.com  Sat Feb 12 14:23:12 2022
From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 16:23:12 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Clutch Bleeder Extensions
In-Reply-To: <ab861c54-4f22-f47a-5afb-d9fba71cb96e@earthlink.net>
References: <ab861c54-4f22-f47a-5afb-d9fba71cb96e@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAPTa0B4AGdHFA62-S2GLYPChJ0cr43DHiOkOTJ-eCYAvzqSXfw@mail.gmail.com>

Bob asked:  "Is there a need for one for the Toyota 5 speed conversions?
----------------------------------------
Yes.

I took a different route and created a small door in the vertical panel
extension I fabbed along with a new transmission cover after installing a
5-speed in my 100.  By removing a couple of  screws I can remove the door
which gives me easy access to bleed the secondary cylinder from inside the
car.

Bleeding might not be as easy as an extension as it does require working in
a hunched over position from within the passenger footwell but at the time
I thought it was an "elegant" solution.  Of course, I did this twenty years
ago when I was a lot more limber and were I to do the conversion at this
point of my life I would definitely opt for an extension.

Best--Michael Oritt

On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 8:47 AM Bob Haskell via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Just wanted to let you know I'm sold out of the clutch bleeder extensions
> for the 6 cylinders.  If there's interest, I can make another batch.  Let
> me know.
>
> Is there a need for one for the Toyota 5 speed conversions?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob Haskell
> Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
>
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From emmgeeteecee at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Feb 13 22:43:41 2022
From: emmgeeteecee at yahoo.co.uk (David Lodge)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 05:43:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] BJ8 Trunk floor layout.
References: <1985185570.1908511.1644817421362.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1985185570.1908511.1644817421362@mail.yahoo.com>

Does anyone please know of a diagram anywhere of the layout of the trunk floor fixings (for the chrome strap "staple", insulation studs, etc)? Another classic case of "not enough "before" photos to facilitate the "after" on my part!)?? Thanks.
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From fsufan1952 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 14 11:16:18 2022
From: fsufan1952 at yahoo.com (fsufan1952 at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 13:16:18 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Window winder
References: <40CD1310-ECF8-4F39-B129-3198F2819C74.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <40CD1310-ECF8-4F39-B129-3198F2819C74@yahoo.com>

Has anyone had any experience with very hard to wind up and down the windows on a BJ-8 . The track are not binding, it appears to be the cranking mechanism that?s very hard to work . Window winder assembly. It?s not cheap $240 with moss. Yes next step is to remove the window and then work the window crank . But we got a show this weekend so that?s next weeks job .
         Don.  BJ8 

Sent from my iPhone

From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 14 11:23:52 2022
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (Al Fuller)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 13:23:52 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Window winder
In-Reply-To: <40CD1310-ECF8-4F39-B129-3198F2819C74@yahoo.com>
References: <40CD1310-ECF8-4F39-B129-3198F2819C74.ref@yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <CADkpZwGrYZXWjg+12J-x+MTCFreD=-CqmUQREBW+iOhf5BLQmg@mail.gmail.com>

I had trouble winding up and down after the car came back from the body
shop. Turned out I needed to clean out the spring, which was packed with
old stuff grease. The sand from the sandblasting didn't help! Once cleaned
up, worked great.

________________
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 1:17 PM Don via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Has anyone had any experience with very hard to wind up and down the
> windows on a BJ-8 . The track are not binding, it appears to be the
> cranking mechanism that?s very hard to work . Window winder assembly. It?s
> not cheap $240 with moss. Yes next step is to remove the window and then
> work the window crank . But we got a show this weekend so that?s next weeks
> job .
>          Don.  BJ8
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From fsufan1952 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 14 12:02:44 2022
From: fsufan1952 at yahoo.com (fsufan1952 at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:02:44 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Window winder
In-Reply-To: <40CD1310-ECF8-4F39-B129-3198F2819C74@yahoo.com>
References: <40CD1310-ECF8-4F39-B129-3198F2819C74@yahoo.com>
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Well I removed the window winder , sprayed it with brake fluid ! And now it winds up and down with one finger ?
Must have been filled up with 50 years of junk . 
       Thanks again list ., Don 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 14, 2022, at 1:36 PM, Don via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Has anyone had any experience with very hard to wind up and down the windows on a BJ-8 . The track are not binding, it appears to be the cranking mechanism that?s very hard to work . Window winder assembly. It?s not cheap $240 with moss. Yes next step is to remove the window and then work the window crank . But we got a show this weekend so that?s next weeks job .
>         Don.  BJ8 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


From rjhco at att.net  Mon Feb 14 13:33:28 2022
From: rjhco at att.net (Richard J. Hockert)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 20:33:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Window winder
In-Reply-To: <482BA964-DFEF-4681-86D9-264CADA26EFE@yahoo.com>
References: <40CD1310-ECF8-4F39-B129-3198F2819C74@yahoo.com>
 <482BA964-DFEF-4681-86D9-264CADA26EFE@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2018503434.2120266.1644870808530@mail.yahoo.com>

 1.Remove the window assembly from the door and separate the glass and winder assembly.
2.? Find a tub large enough to hold the winder assembly.? Place winder in tub and fill with diesel fuel that you purchase at the gas station. Let soak for a week.? All gunk and rust will go away.? Winder will work freely.

3.? Clean off winder, lubricate and re-assemble window unit into door, using new nylon guides, etc.

I did this with my BJ8 in 2010.? Windows work easily still.
Best regards,Jim HockertCrystal Beach, TX
    On Monday, February 14, 2022, 01:09:55 PM CST, Don via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Well I removed the window winder , sprayed it with brake fluid ! And now it winds up and down with one finger ?
Must have been filled up with 50 years of junk . 
? ? ? Thanks again list ., Don 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 14, 2022, at 1:36 PM, Don via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Has anyone had any experience with very hard to wind up and down the windows on a BJ-8 . The track are not binding, it appears to be the cranking mechanism that?s very hard to work . Window winder assembly. It?s not cheap $240 with moss. Yes next step is to remove the window and then work the window crank . But we got a show this weekend so that?s next weeks job .
>? ? ? ? Don.? BJ8 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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From david at dleong.org  Mon Feb 14 14:00:41 2022
From: david at dleong.org (David Leong)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 21:00:41 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Window winder
In-Reply-To: <2018503434.2120266.1644870808530@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <40CD1310-ECF8-4F39-B129-3198F2819C74@yahoo.com>
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 <2018503434.2120266.1644870808530@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <557a7ddd842941cfbe3a6e8d468e3cff@DLEONG-EXCH.dleong.pro>

Windows? What?s that?


Dave ? Former 100-4 owner

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 12:33 PM
To: Don via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>; fsufan1952 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Window winder

1.Remove the window assembly from the door and separate the glass and winder assembly.

2.  Find a tub large enough to hold the winder assembly.  Place winder in tub and fill with diesel fuel that you purchase at the gas station. Let soak for a week.  All gunk and rust will go away.  Winder will work freely.

3.  Clean off winder, lubricate and re-assemble window unit into door, using new nylon guides, etc.

I did this with my BJ8 in 2010.  Windows work easily still.

Best regards,
Jim Hockert
Crystal Beach, TX
On Monday, February 14, 2022, 01:09:55 PM CST, Don via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:


Well I removed the window winder , sprayed it with brake fluid ! And now it winds up and down with one finger ?
Must have been filled up with 50 years of junk .
      Thanks again list ., Don

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 14, 2022, at 1:36 PM, Don via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>
> ?Has anyone had any experience with very hard to wind up and down the windows on a BJ-8 . The track are not binding, it appears to be the cranking mechanism that?s very hard to work . Window winder assembly. It?s not cheap $240 with moss. Yes next step is to remove the window and then work the window crank . But we got a show this weekend so that?s next weeks job .
>        Don.  BJ8
>
> Sent from my iPhone


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From david at dleong.org  Mon Feb 14 20:48:43 2022
From: david at dleong.org (David Leong)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 03:48:43 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] FW:  Window winder
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 <557a7ddd842941cfbe3a6e8d468e3cff@DLEONG-EXCH.dleong.pro>
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As I recall, my cockpit was always (unwanted) plenty hot.


Dave

From: Roland Wilhelmy <sentenac.rw at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 5:56 PM
To: David Leong <david at dleong.org>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Window winder


A feature that keeps the heat in the cockpit.

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On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 1:01 PM David Leong via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Windows? What?s that?


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From healey.nut at gmail.com  Mon Feb 14 20:59:39 2022
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:59:39 +0800
Subject: [Healeys] Window winder
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Message-ID: <CAFBXTkJhEkJOvRxDPCsf1nwz1auyCRABFnCo+rqBZ4ZN0ynYsA@mail.gmail.com>

Don -

You have to check the track inside the rear of the door.  for whatever
reason these are often damaged and bind to the nylon runner.  i fixed mine
and now the windows work like a dream.  You can only get at them by
removing the door panel.

Best,

alan

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 2:17 AM Don via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Has anyone had any experience with very hard to wind up and down the
> windows on a BJ-8 . The track are not binding, it appears to be the
> cranking mechanism that?s very hard to work . Window winder assembly. It?s
> not cheap $240 with moss. Yes next step is to remove the window and then
> work the window crank . But we got a show this weekend so that?s next weeks
> job .
>          Don.  BJ8
>
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From fsufan1952 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 15 06:22:51 2022
From: fsufan1952 at yahoo.com (fsufan1952 at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 08:22:51 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Window winder
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References: <CAFBXTkJhEkJOvRxDPCsf1nwz1auyCRABFnCo+rqBZ4ZN0ynYsA@mail.gmail.com>
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The job went good . After spraying brake cleaner into places that can only be reached with the window winder removed. Then a light spray of WD 40 . The window goes up and down like new. My only problem was once I unscrewed the winder , it is very hard to find the correct angle to move it around to get it out from behind the inner door brace that it and the door opening mechanism mounts to . Does anybody have a method to remove this from behind brace ? I ended up sliding it up as far as I could as the door has a little more depth as the outer door skin contour bulges out . Then pulling that brace out a little I was able to get it out , then go through it again to reinstall it ? . Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have a few Healey BJ8 friends that I?m sure will want me to preform this operation on there hard to wind up widows. 
    Thanks as always, Don 67 BJ8 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 14, 2022, at 10:59 PM, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Don -
> 
> You have to check the track inside the rear of the door.  for whatever reason these are often damaged and bind to the nylon runner.  i fixed mine and now the windows work like a dream.  You can only get at them by removing the door panel.
> 
> Best,
> 
> alan
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 2:17 AM Don via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Has anyone had any experience with very hard to wind up and down the windows on a BJ-8 . The track are not binding, it appears to be the cranking mechanism that?s very hard to work . Window winder assembly. It?s not cheap $240 with moss. Yes next step is to remove the window and then work the window crank . But we got a show this weekend so that?s next weeks job .
>>          Don.  BJ8 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From rfbegani at gmail.com  Tue Feb 15 06:46:05 2022
From: rfbegani at gmail.com (rfbegani at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 08:46:05 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Window winder
In-Reply-To: <34FC9E55-47BF-4995-960B-9B4F4B463ADB@yahoo.com>
References: <CAFBXTkJhEkJOvRxDPCsf1nwz1auyCRABFnCo+rqBZ4ZN0ynYsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <34FC9E55-47BF-4995-960B-9B4F4B463ADB@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <032701d82272$616fe990$244fbcb0$@gmail.com>

 

My experience just recently with similar spraying was the same except I did not screw with the winder as cleaning and generous lubing got the winder to work with a little up and a little down repeatedly.

 

Regards,

 

Bob Begani

67BJ8

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Don via Healeys
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 8:23 AM
To: Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com>
Cc: healey list <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Window winder

 

The job went good . After spraying brake cleaner into places that can only be reached with the window winder removed. Then a light spray of WD 40 . The window goes up and down like new. My only problem was once I unscrewed the winder , it is very hard to find the correct angle to move it around to get it out from behind the inner door brace that it and the door opening mechanism mounts to . Does anybody have a method to remove this from behind brace ? I ended up sliding it up as far as I could as the door has a little more depth as the outer door skin contour bulges out . Then pulling that brace out a little I was able to get it out , then go through it again to reinstall it ? . Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have a few Healey BJ8 friends that I?m sure will want me to preform this operation on there hard to wind up widows. 

    Thanks as always, Don 67 BJ8 

Sent from my iPhone





On Feb 14, 2022, at 10:59 PM, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com <mailto:healey.nut at gmail.com> > wrote:

?

Don -

 

You have to check the track inside the rear of the door.  for whatever reason these are often damaged and bind to the nylon runner.  i fixed mine and now the windows work like a dream.  You can only get at them by removing the door panel.

 

Best,

 

alan

 

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 2:17 AM Don via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Has anyone had any experience with very hard to wind up and down the windows on a BJ-8 . The track are not binding, it appears to be the cranking mechanism that?s very hard to work . Window winder assembly. It?s not cheap $240 with moss. Yes next step is to remove the window and then work the window crank . But we got a show this weekend so that?s next weeks job .
         Don.  BJ8 

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From healeyray at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 15 12:01:50 2022
From: healeyray at yahoo.com (Ray Juncal)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 19:01:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild
References: <242366770.2494315.1644951710625.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <242366770.2494315.1644951710625@mail.yahoo.com>

Over the years I accumulated enough stuff to rebuild three BN-1 / BN-2 steering boxes. This box has a 7/8" bronze bushing at the lower end of the steering shaft but the upper end of the shaft just rides in the aluminum of the case itself. In use both the bronze bush and the aluminum wear and cause play in the steering. You can replace the bushing but there will be no support for the top of the shaft that rides in the worn aluminum. The fix is to bore the case out to 1 1/8" and fit a 1 1/8"OD x 1"ID x 1" long bush at the top and a 1 1/8" OD x 7/8" ID x 1 1/4" long bush at the bottom. The bushings are standard size from Mc Master Carr catalog in the US.
 While you are at it cut the lip seal stop 1/8" deeper so the seal rides on a new place on the shaft. You can see the wear on the shaft ( red arrow in follow on post). If you have the skills and access to a basic machine shop this is not a difficult project. First the stripped and clean box is mounted on a milling machine table and the shaft center is located ( indicated ). Bore and ream to a snug fit. Cut lip seal 1/8" deeper before you take it off the mill to ream it. Press in the bushings and Bob's your uncle. You may have to take the shaft and case to a "honing shop" to have it honed to a precision fit if the bushings are too tight. See following post for more photos.


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From healeyray at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 15 12:32:09 2022
From: healeyray at yahoo.com (Ray Juncal)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 19:32:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part two
References: <800412619.2520730.1644953529442.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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?? Here's some additional photos that wouldn't fit in the first post. Also interesting info courtesy of Steve Pike about set up. There is a slot in the end of the shaft and on the Pitman arm. Align these slots so that the arm and the "peg" ( the follower that rides in the worm gear above ) are in the correct relationship. 
?? The high spot on the worm gear may not be exactly on center lock to lock. You may want to find that spot and mark it on the arm or shaft with a corresponding mark on the case as a starting point to align the wheels. Steve I hope I explained that right. If not please clarify.
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From healeyray at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 15 12:41:50 2022
From: healeyray at yahoo.com (Ray Juncal)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 19:41:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild
References: <913690950.2514866.1644954110074.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <913690950.2514866.1644954110074@mail.yahoo.com>

Having trouble sending this sorry if this is a duplicate.

Over the years I accumulated enough stuff to rebuild three BN-1 / BN-2 steering boxes. This box has a 7/8" bronze bushing at the lower end of the steering shaft but the upper end of the shaft just rides in the aluminum of the case itself. In use both the bronze bush and the aluminum wear and cause play in the steering. You can replace the bushing but there will be no support for the top of the shaft that rides in the worn aluminum. The fix is to bore the case out to 1 1/8" and fit a 1 1/8"OD x 1"ID x 1" long bush at the top and a 1 1/8" OD x 7/8" ID x 1 1/4" long bush at the bottom. The bushings are standard size from Mc Master Carr catalog in the US. While you are at it cut the lip seal stop 1/8" deeper so the seal rides on a new place on the shaft. You can see the wear on the shaft ( red arrow in follow on post). If you have the skills and access to a basic machine shop this is not a difficult project. First the stripped and clean box is mounted on a milling machine table and the shaft center is located ( indicated ). Bore and ream to a snug fit. Cut lip seal 1/8" deeper before you take it off the mill to ream it. Press in the bushings and Bob's your uncle. You may have to take the shaft and case to a "honing shop" to have it honed to a precision fit if the bushings are too tight. See following post for more photos.
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From gradea1 at charter.net  Tue Feb 15 12:43:59 2022
From: gradea1 at charter.net (gradea1 at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 19:43:59 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part two
Message-ID: <dec372c93ad325e30c236f76762f6695cdbfe9cb@webmail>

That is good work, Ray! Bet the steering feel is perfect. Wish you
could do my sloppy steering. Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: "Ray Juncal via
Healeys" 
To: "List Healey"
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday February 15 2022 11:33:43AM
Subject: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part two

   Here's some additional photos that wouldn't fit in the first post.
Also interesting info courtesy of Steve Pike about set up. There is a
slot in the end of the shaft and on the Pitman arm. Align these slots
so that the arm and the "peg" ( the follower that rides in the worm
gear above ) are in the correct relationship.
  The high spot on the worm gear may not be exactly on center lock to
lock. You may want to find that spot and mark it on the arm or shaft
with a corresponding mark on the case as a starting point to align the
wheels. Steve I hope I explained that right. If not please clarify.

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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Tue Feb 15 14:19:23 2022
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 16:19:23 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part two
In-Reply-To: <dec372c93ad325e30c236f76762f6695cdbfe9cb@webmail>
References: <dec372c93ad325e30c236f76762f6695cdbfe9cb@webmail>
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Well, while we are on the subject of steering boxes
1. I have 2 steering shafts but the worms have different part numbers.
One, dated 4 56 has the number 16390N
The other dated 4 58 has the number 16390 ( no N)  and that one has
serrations on the upper circumference. (See pic)
Otherwise these appear to be identical  ... does anyone know what the
difference is?

M

On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 2:51 p.m. Henry G Leach via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> That is good work, Ray! Bet the steering feel is perfect. Wish you could
> do my sloppy steering.  Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
> From: "Ray Juncal via Healeys"
> To: "List Healey"
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday February 15 2022 11:33:43AM
> Subject: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part two
>
>    Here's some additional photos that wouldn't fit in the first post. Also
> interesting info courtesy of Steve Pike about set up. There is a slot in
> the end of the shaft and on the Pitman arm. Align these slots so that the
> arm and the "peg" ( the follower that rides in the worm gear above ) are in
> the correct relationship.
>    The high spot on the worm gear may not be exactly on center lock to
> lock. You may want to find that spot and mark it on the arm or shaft with a
> corresponding mark on the case as a starting point to align the wheels.
> Steve I hope I explained that right. If not please clarify.
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Tue Feb 15 14:27:48 2022
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 16:27:48 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part two
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References: <dec372c93ad325e30c236f76762f6695cdbfe9cb@webmail>
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Next question  ... this applies to the later BN2 steering box.
The steering box tube appears to be soldered onto the cast steel steering
box itself.
I need to remove the tube to straighten it. Is this just a case of heating
gently and pulling the tube out?
Thanks.

M



On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 4:19 p.m. Michael Salter, <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well, while we are on the subject of steering boxes
> 1. I have 2 steering shafts but the worms have different part numbers.
> One, dated 4 56 has the number 16390N
> The other dated 4 58 has the number 16390 ( no N)  and that one has
> serrations on the upper circumference. (See pic)
> Otherwise these appear to be identical  ... does anyone know what the
> difference is?
>
> M
>
> On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 2:51 p.m. Henry G Leach via Healeys, <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> That is good work, Ray! Bet the steering feel is perfect. Wish you could
>> do my sloppy steering.  Hank
>>
>> -----------------------------------------
>> From: "Ray Juncal via Healeys"
>> To: "List Healey"
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Tuesday February 15 2022 11:33:43AM
>> Subject: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part two
>>
>>    Here's some additional photos that wouldn't fit in the first post.
>> Also interesting info courtesy of Steve Pike about set up. There is a slot
>> in the end of the shaft and on the Pitman arm. Align these slots so that
>> the arm and the "peg" ( the follower that rides in the worm gear above )
>> are in the correct relationship.
>>    The high spot on the worm gear may not be exactly on center lock to
>> lock. You may want to find that spot and mark it on the arm or shaft with a
>> corresponding mark on the case as a starting point to align the wheels.
>> Steve I hope I explained that right. If not please clarify.
>> _______________________________________________
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Tue Feb 15 14:40:29 2022
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 16:40:29 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part two
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Message-ID: <CAB3i7LKSHiJP=ExyF042R1P1s8i3czfDneptNmGq2uV5s4Eqkg@mail.gmail.com>

Answered my own question ... yes ... easy as ?

On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 4:27 p.m. Michael Salter, <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Next question  ... this applies to the later BN2 steering box.
> The steering box tube appears to be soldered onto the cast steel steering
> box itself.
> I need to remove the tube to straighten it. Is this just a case of heating
> gently and pulling the tube out?
> Thanks.
>
> M
>
>
>
> On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 4:19 p.m. Michael Salter, <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, while we are on the subject of steering boxes
>> 1. I have 2 steering shafts but the worms have different part numbers.
>> One, dated 4 56 has the number 16390N
>> The other dated 4 58 has the number 16390 ( no N)  and that one has
>> serrations on the upper circumference. (See pic)
>> Otherwise these appear to be identical  ... does anyone know what the
>> difference is?
>>
>> M
>>
>> On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 2:51 p.m. Henry G Leach via Healeys, <
>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>> That is good work, Ray! Bet the steering feel is perfect. Wish you could
>>> do my sloppy steering.  Hank
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------
>>> From: "Ray Juncal via Healeys"
>>> To: "List Healey"
>>> Cc:
>>> Sent: Tuesday February 15 2022 11:33:43AM
>>> Subject: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part two
>>>
>>>    Here's some additional photos that wouldn't fit in the first post.
>>> Also interesting info courtesy of Steve Pike about set up. There is a slot
>>> in the end of the shaft and on the Pitman arm. Align these slots so that
>>> the arm and the "peg" ( the follower that rides in the worm gear above )
>>> are in the correct relationship.
>>>    The high spot on the worm gear may not be exactly on center lock to
>>> lock. You may want to find that spot and mark it on the arm or shaft with a
>>> corresponding mark on the case as a starting point to align the wheels.
>>> Steve I hope I explained that right. If not please clarify.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>> Suggested annual donation  $12.75
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From healeyguy at aol.com  Tue Feb 15 18:01:08 2022
From: healeyguy at aol.com (Perry Small)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 20:01:08 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part two
In-Reply-To: <CAB3i7LKSHiJP=ExyF042R1P1s8i3czfDneptNmGq2uV5s4Eqkg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <773CAB6C-674B-4664-B46F-6112E4384FCC@aol.com>

I have not dismantled tube from box previously but have put one back together for an owner. 
Cleaned the mating surfaces gently with a wire brush and heated with propane torch until the tube would slide back into the box.
Warmed again and tried to add solder to insure a seal at the joint. 
Seemed to work ok. Suspect dismantling would work the same. 
P

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2022, at 4:59 PM, Michael Salter via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Answered my own question ... yes ... easy as ?
> 
>> On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 4:27 p.m. Michael Salter, <michaelsalter at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Next question  ... this applies to the later BN2 steering box.
>> The steering box tube appears to be soldered onto the cast steel steering box itself.
>> I need to remove the tube to straighten it. Is this just a case of heating gently and pulling the tube out?
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> M
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 4:19 p.m. Michael Salter, <michaelsalter at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Well, while we are on the subject of steering boxes
>>> 1. I have 2 steering shafts but the worms have different part numbers.  
>>> One, dated 4 56 has the number 16390N 
>>> The other dated 4 58 has the number 16390 ( no N)  and that one has serrations on the upper circumference. (See pic)
>>> Otherwise these appear to be identical  ... does anyone know what the difference is?
>>> 
>>> M
>>> 
>>>> On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 2:51 p.m. Henry G Leach via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> That is good work, Ray! Bet the steering feel is perfect. Wish you could do my sloppy steering.  Hank
>>>> 
>>>> -----------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> From: "Ray Juncal via Healeys" 
>>>> To: "List Healey"
>>>> Cc: 
>>>> Sent: Tuesday February 15 2022 11:33:43AM
>>>> Subject: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part two
>>>> 
>>>>    Here's some additional photos that wouldn't fit in the first post. Also interesting info courtesy of Steve Pike about set up. There is a slot in the end of the shaft and on the Pitman arm. Align these slots so that the arm and the "peg" ( the follower that rides in the worm gear above ) are in the correct relationship.
>>>>    The high spot on the worm gear may not be exactly on center lock to lock. You may want to find that spot and mark it on the arm or shaft with a corresponding mark on the case as a starting point to align the wheels. Steve I hope I explained that right. If not please clarify.
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From healey.nut at gmail.com  Tue Feb 15 18:15:31 2022
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 09:15:31 +0800
Subject: [Healeys] Moss Fuel Tanks
Message-ID: <CAFBXTkKgLLye6UTLBQ9dvF6oNUx8uP_z+ho4HtN7uKmUSJUyvw@mail.gmail.com>

All -

Just a short note to say the Moss fuel tanks for the 6 cyl are top
quality... no need to treat the inside of the tank... nicely made out of
galvanised steel and a very reasonable price.

Best,

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From boyracer466 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 16 10:10:54 2022
From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (Ricchardd Mayor)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 09:10:54 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part two
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Reassembly of tube:  After cleaning both surfaces I apply some rosin flux to both surfaces and reinsert the tube. I then use an oxy torch to heat the box and tube and apply rosin core solder to the joint.  It doesn?t take very much solder.   
When you think about it, after it cools there is little or no stress on the joint. The box is bolted to the chassis with 3 big bolts.  The column is clamped to the brace on the bulkhead and there is (or should be) a brace on the side from the column clamp to the A pillar area. Turning the steering wheel does not put any stress on the column. Having said that, if the column is bent, or if the steering shaft is bent, there will be some side pressure on the column and that will be applied to the upper end of the column through the large felt bushing.


Richard Mayor
Portland, Oregon
boyracer466 at gmail.com





> On Feb 15, 2022, at 5:01 PM, Perry Small via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> I have not dismantled tube from box previously but have put one back together for an owner. 
> Cleaned the mating surfaces gently with a wire brush and heated with propane torch until the tube would slide back into the box.
> Warmed again and tried to add solder to insure a seal at the joint. 
> Seemed to work ok. Suspect dismantling would work the same. 
> P
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 4:59 PM, Michael Salter via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Answered my own question ... yes ... easy as ?
>> 
>> On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 4:27 p.m. Michael Salter, <michaelsalter at gmail.com <mailto:michaelsalter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Next question  ... this applies to the later BN2 steering box.
>> The steering box tube appears to be soldered onto the cast steel steering box itself.
>> I need to remove the tube to straighten it. Is this just a case of heating gently and pulling the tube out?
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> M
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 4:19 p.m. Michael Salter, <michaelsalter at gmail.com <mailto:michaelsalter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Well, while we are on the subject of steering boxes
>> 1. I have 2 steering shafts but the worms have different part numbers.  
>> One, dated 4 56 has the number 16390N 
>> The other dated 4 58 has the number 16390 ( no N)  and that one has serrations on the upper circumference. (See pic)
>> Otherwise these appear to be identical  ... does anyone know what the difference is?
>> 
>> M
>> 
>> On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 2:51 p.m. Henry G Leach via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> That is good work, Ray! Bet the steering feel is perfect. Wish you could do my sloppy steering.  Hank
>> 
>> -----------------------------------------
>> 
>> From: "Ray Juncal via Healeys" 
>> To: "List Healey"
>> Cc: 
>> Sent: Tuesday February 15 2022 11:33:43AM
>> Subject: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part two
>> 
>>    Here's some additional photos that wouldn't fit in the first post. Also interesting info courtesy of Steve Pike about set up. There is a slot in the end of the shaft and on the Pitman arm. Align these slots so that the arm and the "peg" ( the follower that rides in the worm gear above ) are in the correct relationship.
>>    The high spot on the worm gear may not be exactly on center lock to lock. You may want to find that spot and mark it on the arm or shaft with a corresponding mark on the case as a starting point to align the wheels. Steve I hope I explained that right. If not please clarify.
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From healeydoc at gmail.com  Wed Feb 16 10:44:20 2022
From: healeydoc at gmail.com (David Nock)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 09:44:20 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part two
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After re soldering the tube in place put a small bead of black silicone around the joint to make sure it is sealed. 


David Nock
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From: Ricchardd Mayor 
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 9:10 AM
To: Perry Small 
Cc: healeys 
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part two

Reassembly of tube:  After cleaning both surfaces I apply some rosin flux to both surfaces and reinsert the tube. I then use an oxy torch to heat the box and tube and apply rosin core solder to the joint.  It doesn?t take very much solder.    
When you think about it, after it cools there is little or no stress on the joint. The box is bolted to the chassis with 3 big bolts.  The column is clamped to the brace on the bulkhead and there is (or should be) a brace on the side from the column clamp to the A pillar area. Turning the steering wheel does not put any stress on the column. Having said that, if the column is bent, or if the steering shaft is bent, there will be some side pressure on the column and that will be applied to the upper end of the column through the large felt bushing.


Richard Mayor
Portland, Oregon
boyracer466 at gmail.com






  On Feb 15, 2022, at 5:01 PM, Perry Small via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

  I have not dismantled tube from box previously but have put one back together for an owner. 
  Cleaned the mating surfaces gently with a wire brush and heated with propane torch until the tube would slide back into the box.
  Warmed again and tried to add solder to insure a seal at the joint. 
  Seemed to work ok. Suspect dismantling would work the same. 
  P


  Sent from my iPhone


    On Feb 15, 2022, at 4:59 PM, Michael Salter via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:


    ? 
    Answered my own question ... yes ... easy as ?

    On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 4:27 p.m. Michael Salter, <michaelsalter at gmail.com> wrote:

      Next question  ... this applies to the later BN2 steering box. 
      The steering box tube appears to be soldered onto the cast steel steering box itself.
      I need to remove the tube to straighten it. Is this just a case of heating gently and pulling the tube out?
      Thanks.

      M



      On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 4:19 p.m. Michael Salter, <michaelsalter at gmail.com> wrote:

        Well, while we are on the subject of steering boxes 
        1. I have 2 steering shafts but the worms have different part numbers.  
        One, dated 4 56 has the number 16390N 
        The other dated 4 58 has the number 16390 ( no N)  and that one has serrations on the upper circumference. (See pic)
        Otherwise these appear to be identical  ... does anyone know what the difference is?

        M

        On Tue., Feb. 15, 2022, 2:51 p.m. Henry G Leach via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

          That is good work, Ray! Bet the steering feel is perfect. Wish you could do my sloppy steering.  Hank


          -----------------------------------------

          From: "Ray Juncal via Healeys" 
          To: "List Healey"
          Cc: 
          Sent: Tuesday February 15 2022 11:33:43AM
          Subject: [Healeys] Steering box rebuild part two


             Here's some additional photos that wouldn't fit in the first post. Also interesting info courtesy of Steve Pike about set up. There is a slot in the end of the shaft and on the Pitman arm. Align these slots so that the arm and the "peg" ( the follower that rides in the worm gear above ) are in the correct relationship.

             The high spot on the worm gear may not be exactly on center lock to lock. You may want to find that spot and mark it on the arm or shaft with a corresponding mark on the case as a starting point to align the wheels. Steve I hope I explained that right. If not please clarify.

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From a2garrison at charter.net  Thu Feb 17 13:34:58 2022
From: a2garrison at charter.net (Alan Garrison)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 15:34:58 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Oil Pump Removal with Engine in Car
Message-ID: <00f801d8243d$d4ff8470$7efe8d50$@charter.net>

Planning to remove the oil pump from my 100-6 while the engine remains in
the car. Any suggestions on how to retain the pump drive shaft in place?

 

Thanks.

 

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From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com  Thu Feb 17 15:11:49 2022
From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 22:11:49 -0000
Subject: [Healeys] Oil Pump Removal with Engine in Car
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References: <00f801d8243d$d4ff8470$7efe8d50$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <000001d8244b$5d00f2c0$1702d840$@alexarevel.plus.com>

That's an interesting question...and I'm not 100% sure why one might want to
do it.

I swapped my pump quite recently, 2018, because I found a Denis Welch pump
going very cheaply on eBay.

I don't recall every moment, but I surely don't recall any problem
extracting or replacing the pump drive shaft. And I don't recall any reason
why there would be.

See the attached, which you've probably already got.

The only way that occurs to me to achieve your actual aim might be to turn
the car upside down!!

But, good luck anyway,

Simon

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Alan Garrison
via Healeys
Sent: 17 February 2022 20:35
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: [Healeys] Oil Pump Removal with Engine in Car

 

Planning to remove the oil pump from my 100-6 while the engine remains in
the car. Any suggestions on how to retain the pump drive shaft in place?

 

Thanks.

 

Alan

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From a2garrison at charter.net  Thu Feb 17 15:59:14 2022
From: a2garrison at charter.net (Alan Garrison)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 17:59:14 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Oil Pump Removal with Engine in Car
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Simon

 

It was the 2nd paragraph of Section A.8 (2) that raised the question ".
driveshaft will be free to disengage from the camshaft and care must be
taken to prevent it falling out."

 

I'm fitting an AH Spares alloy sump and need to modify the pump.

 

Thanks.

 

Alan

 

From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com <simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com> 
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 5:12 PM
To: 'Alan Garrison' <a2garrison at charter.net>
Cc: 'Healeys' <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Oil Pump Removal with Engine in Car

 

That's an interesting question...and I'm not 100% sure why one might want to
do it.

I swapped my pump quite recently, 2018, because I found a Denis Welch pump
going very cheaply on eBay.

I don't recall every moment, but I surely don't recall any problem
extracting or replacing the pump drive shaft. And I don't recall any reason
why there would be.

See the attached, which you've probably already got.

The only way that occurs to me to achieve your actual aim might be to turn
the car upside down!!

But, good luck anyway,

Simon

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net
<mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Alan Garrison via
Healeys
Sent: 17 February 2022 20:35
To: healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [Healeys] Oil Pump Removal with Engine in Car

 

Planning to remove the oil pump from my 100-6 while the engine remains in
the car. Any suggestions on how to retain the pump drive shaft in place?

 

Thanks.

 

Alan

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From gradea1 at charter.net  Fri Feb 18 18:45:45 2022
From: gradea1 at charter.net (gradea1 at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2022 01:45:45 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Oil Pump Removal with Engine in Car
Message-ID: <949b3266012a4628a84e43dedcc3cad1e4d85162@webmail>

That same shaft drives the tach and I believe a magnet properly placed
can keep it from dropping if you can carefully fish the pump body down
and out.
Suggest you pack the new pump with Vaseline to prime it when you
replace it. Be careful what you use to seal the sump to the block
gasket. If its too good (like right stuff!) you will break the alloy
upon removal. I use permatex to the sump, and only oil to the block.
Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: "Alan Garrison via
Healeys" 
To: "Healeys"
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday February 17 2022 3:06:36PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil Pump Removal with Engine in Car

	Simon 

	It was the 2nd paragraph of Section A.8 (2) that raised the question
?? driveshaft will be free to disengage from the camshaft and care
must be taken to prevent it falling out.? 

	I?m fitting an AH Spares alloy sump and need to modify the pump. 

	Thanks. 

	Alan 

	FROM: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com 
SENT: Thursday, February 17, 2022 5:12 PM
TO: 'Alan Garrison' 
CC: 'Healeys' 
SUBJECT: RE: [Healeys] Oil Pump Removal with Engine in Car   

	That?s an interesting question?..and I?m not 100% sure why one
might want to do it. 

	I swapped my pump quite recently, 2018, because I found a Denis Welch
pump going very cheaply on eBay. 

	I don?t recall every moment, but I surely don?t recall any
problem extracting or replacing the pump drive shaft. And I don?t
recall any reason why there would be. 

	See the attached, which you?ve probably already got. 

	The only way that occurs to me to achieve your actual aim might be to
turn the car upside down!! 

	But, good luck anyway, 

	Simon 

	FROM: Healeys  ON BEHALF OF Alan Garrison via Healeys
SENT: 17 February 2022 20:35
TO: healeys at autox.team.net
SUBJECT: [Healeys] Oil Pump Removal with Engine in Car   

	Planning to remove the oil pump from my 100-6 while the engine
remains in the car. Any suggestions on how to retain the pump drive
shaft in place? 

	Thanks. 

	Alan
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From boyracer466 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 18 19:16:23 2022
From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (Ricchardd Mayor)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2022 18:16:23 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Oil Pump Removal with Engine in Car
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The boss that the oil pump bolts to will keep the shaft from falling out. No need to fish out the pump. It comes straight down once you unbolt it. 


Richard Mayor
Portland, Oregon
boyracer466 at gmail.com





> On Feb 18, 2022, at 5:45 PM, Henry G Leach via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> That same shaft drives the tach and I believe a magnet properly placed can keep it from dropping if you can carefully fish the pump body down and out.
> 
> Suggest you pack the new pump with Vaseline to prime it when you replace it. Be careful what you use to seal the sump to the block gasket. If its too good (like right stuff!) you will break the alloy upon removal. I use permatex to the sump, and only oil to the block. Hank
> 
> -----------------------------------------
> 
> From: "Alan Garrison via Healeys" 
> To: "Healeys"
> Cc: 
> Sent: Thursday February 17 2022 3:06:36PM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil Pump Removal with Engine in Car
> 
> Simon
> 
>  
> It was the 2nd paragraph of Section A.8 (2) that raised the question ?? driveshaft will be free to disengage from the camshaft and care must be taken to prevent it falling out.?
> 
>  
> I?m fitting an AH Spares alloy sump and need to modify the pump.
> 
>  
> Thanks.
> 
>  
> Alan
> 
>  
> From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com <simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 5:12 PM
> To: 'Alan Garrison' <a2garrison at charter.net>
> Cc: 'Healeys' <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: RE: [Healeys] Oil Pump Removal with Engine in Car
> 
>  
> That?s an interesting question?..and I?m not 100% sure why one might want to do it.
> 
> I swapped my pump quite recently, 2018, because I found a Denis Welch pump going very cheaply on eBay.
> 
> I don?t recall every moment, but I surely don?t recall any problem extracting or replacing the pump drive shaft. And I don?t recall any reason why there would be.
> 
> See the attached, which you?ve probably already got.
> 
> The only way that occurs to me to achieve your actual aim might be to turn the car upside down!!
> 
> But, good luck anyway,
> 
> Simon
> 
>  
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net <>> On Behalf Of Alan Garrison via Healeys
> Sent: 17 February 2022 20:35
> To: healeys at autox.team.net <>
> Subject: [Healeys] Oil Pump Removal with Engine in Car
> 
>  
> Planning to remove the oil pump from my 100-6 while the engine remains in the car. Any suggestions on how to retain the pump drive shaft in place?
> 
>  
> Thanks.
> 
>  
> Alan
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From goldengt at cal.net  Wed Feb 16 18:17:16 2022
From: goldengt at cal.net (Ken)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 17:17:16 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Wiring harness restoration
Message-ID: <4JzcPR3YLJzSyRdd@allmail.cal.net>

Anybody remember the place in Pasadena, Ca. that would rewrap your old wiring harness? I think with cloth like original.?Ken Freese?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Sat Feb 19 13:29:17 2022
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2022 13:29:17 -0700
Subject: [Healeys] Project '59 BT4 100 6
Message-ID: <8e896a16-dc16-bd70-ea6d-06c2028d48e6@porterscustom.com>

All,

 ?Available now. Clear title. Strong engine and drive train. Good trim 
and tires. All instruments repaired by MOMA as I write. Some poor 
previous rust repairs. Needs new sills & rockers and at least one 
outrigger and maybe a front cross member if you're picky.

Floors and boot okay. Some missing edges on front edges of Al shroud. 
I've disassembled everything and put things back again for shipping 
friendly.. Owner is asking $12,000.00 as it sits.

-- 
Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM. 505-352-1378 My World go here: WWW.PORTERBIKES.COM/
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From ahbn6 at verizon.net  Sat Feb 19 17:04:18 2022
From: ahbn6 at verizon.net (ahbn6 at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2022 19:04:18 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Wiring harness restoration
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Try http://www.cableorganizer.com/f6-wrap-around/

Don?t know where they are located but this stuff comes in many lengths

 

John Sims

www.healey6.com <http://www.healey6.com/> 

Matawan, NJ

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ken via Healeys
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 8:17 PM
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: [Healeys] Wiring harness restoration

 

Anybody remember the place in Pasadena, Ca. that would rewrap your old wiring harness? I think with cloth like original. 

Ken Freese 

 

 

 

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From lgalper1 at cox.net  Sat Feb 19 17:32:30 2022
From: lgalper1 at cox.net (Lou Galper)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2022 16:32:30 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Wiring harness restoration
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No, don't remember them in Pasadena.
I believe Rhode Island Wiring still does it.? Fascinating how they have 
divided the BN1 harness into 15 sub-assemblies.
www.riwire.com

Lou
BN1
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From sentenac.rw at gmail.com  Sat Feb 19 18:57:09 2022
From: sentenac.rw at gmail.com (Roland Wilhelmy)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2022 17:57:09 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Wiring harness restoration
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Divided 15ways it isn't as much of a shock when you look at the bill for a
part ;-). RI wiring makes excellent products and their diagrams are
extremely helpful. They will custom make whatever you need.
-Roland

On Sat, Feb 19, 2022, 4:33 PM Lou Galper via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> No, don't remember them in Pasadena.
> I believe Rhode Island Wiring still does it.  Fascinating how they have
> divided the BN1 harness into 15 sub-assemblies.
> www.riwire.com
>
> Lou
> BN1
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From healeyray at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 19 22:19:23 2022
From: healeyray at yahoo.com (Ray Juncal)
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2022 05:19:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Wiring harness restoration
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 Ken.?? I had a place in Burbank cover a Moss tape wrapped harness for a BN-1. Right around Western and the five fwy. It's been a while so let me check if they are still there in the morning. I got to watch the machines run. Mostly they were wrapping stainless shielding on signal cables. Same machines...Ray

    On Saturday, February 19, 2022, 03:33:00 PM PST, Ken via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Anybody remember the place in Pasadena, Ca. that would rewrap your old wiring harness? I think with cloth like original.?Ken Freese?


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From boyracer466 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 20 18:34:52 2022
From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (richard mayor)
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2022 17:34:52 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Mating a 6 cyl transmission to a BN1
Message-ID: <8D77C342-C370-4277-887A-6E2B50D7D342@gmail.com>

Does it mate up with little or no modification?

From healeydoc at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb 20 18:52:32 2022
From: healeydoc at sbcglobal.net (David Nock)
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2022 17:52:32 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Mating a 6 cyl transmission to a BN1
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Message-ID: <67E6A522-1FD7-4405-A0C5-549F9E5F74AD@sbcglobal.net>

Input shaft will need to be shortened by about 1?



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From boyracer466 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 20 19:17:54 2022
From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (richard mayor)
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2022 18:17:54 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Mating a 6 cyl transmission to a BN1
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Any other mods?


Richard Mayor
boyracer466 at gmail.com



> On Feb 20, 2022, at 5:52 PM, David Nock <healeydoc at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> Input shaft will need to be shortened by about 1?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2022, at 5:34 PM, richard mayor <boyracer466 at gmail.com <mailto:boyracer466 at gmail.com>> wrote:
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From healeyguy at aol.com  Sun Feb 20 20:08:27 2022
From: healeyguy at aol.com (Perry Small)
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2022 22:08:27 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Mating a 6 cyl transmission to a BN1
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Rear mount and restrainer is different. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 20, 2022, at 9:18 PM, richard mayor via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Any other mods?
> 
> 
> Richard Mayor
> boyracer466 at gmail.com
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> 
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2022, at 5:52 PM, David Nock <healeydoc at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Input shaft will need to be shortened by about 1?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2022, at 5:34 PM, richard mayor <boyracer466 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does it mate up with little or no modification?
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From healey.nut at gmail.com  Sun Feb 20 20:47:22 2022
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 11:47:22 +0800
Subject: [Healeys] Mating a 6 cyl transmission to a BN1
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Also you need the BN2 bellhousing.


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From healey.nut at gmail.com  Sun Feb 20 20:50:00 2022
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 11:50:00 +0800
Subject: [Healeys] Wiring harness restoration
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Ken -

If you are going that far, I would recommend just getting a whole new
harness.  The modern cloth braided wire has uprated fire
resistant sheathing, which the old harnesses don't.  That's why fire is
always such a concern in the old LBCs.... so better to get a new harness
with the fire rated sheathing.

Best,

Alan

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From a2garrison at charter.net  Mon Feb 21 12:31:09 2022
From: a2garrison at charter.net (Alan Garrison)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:31:09 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Oil Pump Removal with Engine in Car
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Richard

 

Got it out over the weekend and, like you said, the boss kept the shaft from completely following out. It?s been about 35 years since I rebuilt the engine and I had forgotten how things went together. After I got under there and had a look it was pretty obvious.

 

I can?t understand why the manual had a warning about restraining it.

 

Thanks for the input.

Alan

 

 

From: Ricchardd Mayor <boyracer466 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 9:16 PM
To: gradea1 at charter.net
Cc: Alan Garrison <a2garrison at charter.net>; Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil Pump Removal with Engine in Car

 

The boss that the oil pump bolts to will keep the shaft from falling out. No need to fish out the pump. It comes straight down once you unbolt it. 

 

 

Richard Mayor

Portland, Oregon

boyracer466 at gmail.com <mailto:boyracer466 at gmail.com> 

 

 

 

 

On Feb 18, 2022, at 5:45 PM, Henry G Leach via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote:

 

That same shaft drives the tach and I believe a magnet properly placed can keep it from dropping if you can carefully fish the pump body down and out.

 

Suggest you pack the new pump with Vaseline to prime it when you replace it. Be careful what you use to seal the sump to the block gasket. If its too good (like right stuff!) you will break the alloy upon removal. I use permatex to the sump, and only oil to the block. Hank

-----------------------------------------

From: "Alan Garrison via Healeys" 
To: "Healeys"
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday February 17 2022 3:06:36PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil Pump Removal with Engine in Car

Simon

 

It was the 2nd paragraph of Section A.8 (2) that raised the question ?? driveshaft will be free to disengage from the camshaft and care must be taken to prevent it falling out.?

 

I?m fitting an AH Spares alloy sump and need to modify the pump.

 

Thanks.

 

Alan

 

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Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 5:12 PM
To: 'Alan Garrison' <a2garrison at charter.net <mailto:a2garrison at charter.net> >
Cc: 'Healeys' <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> >
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Oil Pump Removal with Engine in Car

 

That?s an interesting question?..and I?m not 100% sure why one might want to do it.

I swapped my pump quite recently, 2018, because I found a Denis Welch pump going very cheaply on eBay.

I don?t recall every moment, but I surely don?t recall any problem extracting or replacing the pump drive shaft. And I don?t recall any reason why there would be.

See the attached, which you?ve probably already got.

The only way that occurs to me to achieve your actual aim might be to turn the car upside down!!

But, good luck anyway,

Simon

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Alan Garrison via Healeys
Sent: 17 February 2022 20:35
To: healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [Healeys] Oil Pump Removal with Engine in Car

 

Planning to remove the oil pump from my 100-6 while the engine remains in the car. Any suggestions on how to retain the pump drive shaft in place?

 

Thanks.

 

Alan

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From boyracer466 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 21 14:28:26 2022
From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (Ricchardd Mayor)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 13:28:26 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Mating a 6 cyl transmission to a BN1
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A BN2 bell housing will not give me a hydraulic clutch.

Richard Mayor
Portland, Oregon
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> On Feb 20, 2022, at 7:47 PM, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Also you need the BN2 bellhousing.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 9:37 AM richard mayor <boyracer466 at gmail.com <mailto:boyracer466 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Does it mate up with little or no modification?
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From warthodson at aol.com  Mon Feb 21 15:43:45 2022
From: warthodson at aol.com (warthodson at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 22:43:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Mating a 6 cyl transmission to a BN1
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I think you will require an engine back plate that fits the 6 cyl bellhousing & is drilled to fit the 4 cyl engine. I believe Dennis Welch sells them. The thickness of the back plate will affect how much the Trans. input shaft has to be shortened.?
Gary Hodson

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To: Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com>
Cc: Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Feb 21, 2022 3:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mating a 6 cyl transmission to a BN1

A BN2 bell housing will not give me a hydraulic clutch.
Richard MayorPortland, Oregonboyracer466 at gmail.com





On Feb 20, 2022, at 7:47 PM, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com> wrote:
Also you need the BN2 bellhousing.

On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 9:37 AM richard mayor <boyracer466 at gmail.com> wrote:

Does it mate up with little or no modification?
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From healeymanjim at hansencc.net  Mon Feb 21 18:22:21 2022
From: healeymanjim at hansencc.net (=?utf-8?Q?healeymanjim?=)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 17:22:21 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] =?utf-8?q?wiring_harness?=
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in 1996 i sent my complete wiring harness to the guy in pasedena and he put new looms on all the wiring harnesses.  cost 
$40 if i remember correctly./

From boyracer466 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 21 19:54:42 2022
From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (Ricchardd Mayor)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 18:54:42 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Mating a 6 cyl transmission to a BN1
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I see that DW and AH Spares sell aluminum back plates to do the conversion.  Can?t a 6 cylinder back plate be modified to work? 


Richard Mayor
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> On Feb 21, 2022, at 2:43 PM, warthodson--- via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> I think you will require an engine back plate that fits the 6 cyl bellhousing & is drilled to fit the 4 cyl engine. I believe Dennis Welch sells them. The thickness of the back plate will affect how much the Trans. input shaft has to be shortened. 
> Gary Hodson
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ricchardd Mayor via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> To: Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com>
> Cc: Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Mon, Feb 21, 2022 3:28 pm
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mating a 6 cyl transmission to a BN1
> 
> A BN2 bell housing will not give me a hydraulic clutch.
> 
> Richard Mayor
> Portland, Oregon
> boyracer466 at gmail.com <mailto:boyracer466 at gmail.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2022, at 7:47 PM, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com <mailto:healey.nut at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Also you need the BN2 bellhousing.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 9:37 AM richard mayor <boyracer466 at gmail.com <mailto:boyracer466 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Does it mate up with little or no modification?
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From goldengt at cal.net  Mon Feb 21 20:10:16 2022
From: goldengt at cal.net (Ken)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 19:10:16 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] wiring harness
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Do you have contact information?Ken Freese?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: healeymanjim <healeymanjim at hansencc.net> Date: 2/21/22  5:22 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] wiring harness in 1996 i sent my complete wiring harness to the guy in pasedena and he put new looms on all the wiring harnesses.? cost $40 if i remember correctly./_______________________________________________Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlSuggested annual donation? $12.75Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeysHealeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeysUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/goldengt at cal.net
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From healeyray at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 21 20:52:17 2022
From: healeyray at yahoo.com (Ray Juncal)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 03:52:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Wiring harness restoration
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 Looks like they are no longer in business..

    On Saturday, February 19, 2022, 09:19:23 PM PST, Ray Juncal <healeyray at yahoo.com> wrote:  
 
  Ken.?? I had a place in Burbank cover a Moss tape wrapped harness for a BN-1. Right around Western and the five fwy. It's been a while so let me check if they are still there in the morning. I got to watch the machines run. Mostly they were wrapping stainless shielding on signal cables. Same machines...Ray

    On Saturday, February 19, 2022, 03:33:00 PM PST, Ken via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Anybody remember the place in Pasadena, Ca. that would rewrap your old wiring harness? I think with cloth like original.?Ken Freese?


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From healeydoc at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb 21 20:53:59 2022
From: healeydoc at sbcglobal.net (David Nock)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 19:53:59 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Mating a 6 cyl transmission to a BN1
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Yes we have them availabil

David Nock

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> On Feb 21, 2022, at 6:55 PM, Ricchardd Mayor via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I see that DW and AH Spares sell aluminum back plates to do the conversion.  Can?t a 6 cylinder back plate be modified to work? 
> 
> 
> Richard Mayor
> Portland, Oregon
> boyracer466 at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2022, at 2:43 PM, warthodson--- via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I think you will require an engine back plate that fits the 6 cyl bellhousing & is drilled to fit the 4 cyl engine. I believe Dennis Welch sells them. The thickness of the back plate will affect how much the Trans. input shaft has to be shortened. 
>> Gary Hodson
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ricchardd Mayor via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> To: Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Mon, Feb 21, 2022 3:28 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mating a 6 cyl transmission to a BN1
>> 
>> A BN2 bell housing will not give me a hydraulic clutch.
>> 
>> Richard Mayor
>> Portland, Oregon
>> boyracer466 at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2022, at 7:47 PM, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Also you need the BN2 bellhousing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 9:37 AM richard mayor <boyracer466 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Does it mate up with little or no modification?
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From warthodson at aol.com  Tue Feb 22 08:38:06 2022
From: warthodson at aol.com (warthodson at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 15:38:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Mating a 6 cyl transmission to a BN1
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Yes, but the challenge is determining determining where to drill (machine) the holes so that the transmission input shaft is correctly aligned with the pilot bushing with out pre-loading the pilot bushing. That is why the factory provided 2 special alignment bolts (dowel bolts), but they are not at the same location on the 100 engine backplate & the 6 Cyl. backplateGary Hodson

-----Original Message-----
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To: warthodson at aol.com
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Sent: Mon, Feb 21, 2022 8:54 pm
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I see that DW and AH Spares sell aluminum back plates to do the conversion. ?Can?t a 6 cylinder back plate be modified to work??

Richard MayorPortland, Oregonboyracer466 at gmail.com





On Feb 21, 2022, at 2:43 PM, warthodson--- via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
I think you will require an engine back plate that fits the 6 cyl bellhousing & is drilled to fit the 4 cyl engine. I believe Dennis Welch sells them. The thickness of the back plate will affect how much the Trans. input shaft has to be shortened.?
Gary Hodson

-----Original Message-----
From: Ricchardd Mayor via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
To: Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com>
Cc: Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Feb 21, 2022 3:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mating a 6 cyl transmission to a BN1

A BN2 bell housing will not give me a hydraulic clutch.
Richard MayorPortland, Oregonboyracer466 at gmail.com






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From manifold at telus.net  Tue Feb 22 09:49:00 2022
From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:49:00 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Leather Seats
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From cnaarndt at gmail.com  Tue Feb 22 10:17:58 2022
From: cnaarndt at gmail.com (Curtis Arndt)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 09:17:58 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Leather Seats
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Harold,

Without reference to the Concours Guidelines, seats on the 100s (BN1/2s)
had leather facings, with the entire seat cushion, the front of the
backrest and the arm rest top in leather and the back of the seat rest in a
matching vinyl.

In the US, leather seats on convertibles (BJ7-8s) were a VERY RARE option,
and the vast majority of cars came in vinyl. Many folks use this to do
their cars with a leather interior, but again that's not how the majority
were trimmed from new. I think in 40 years I've seen just one or two
convertibles documented with leather from the factory.

Cheers,

Curt

On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 8:50 AM Harold Manifold via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I am about to have my seats done in leather and I have was wondering if
> leather was ever offered by the factory. Were all 4 seats and the backrest
> available in leather or were there different options? My car was originally
> all vinyl and I would like to match the set up of a factory option if I can.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Harold
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From gradea1 at charter.net  Tue Feb 22 10:26:34 2022
From: gradea1 at charter.net (gradea1 at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 17:26:34 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Leather Seats
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Check with Geoff Chrysler, Rightway Trimming for correctness of
materials and styles. He has done quite a few restores. Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: "Curtis Arndt" 
To: "Harold Manifold"
Cc: "Ken Fleming via Healeys"
Sent: Tuesday February 22 2022 9:19:43AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Leather Seats

 Harold, 
 Without reference to the Concours Guidelines, seats on the 100s
(BN1/2s) had leather facings, with the entire seat cushion, the front
of the backrest and the arm rest top in leather and the back of the
seat rest in a matching vinyl. 
 In the US, leather seats on convertibles (BJ7-8s) were a VERY RARE
option, and the vast majority of cars came in vinyl. Many folks use
this to do their cars with a leather interior, but again that's not
how the majority were trimmed from new. I think in 40 years I've seen
just one or two convertibles documented with leather from the factory.

 Cheers, 
 Curt  
 On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 8:50 AM Harold Manifold via Healeys  wrote:

	I am about to have my seats done in leather and I have was wondering
if leather was ever offered by the factory. Were all 4 seats and the
backrest available in leather or were there different options? My car
was originally all vinyl and I would like to match the set up of a
factory option if I can. 

	Thanks, 

	Harold 

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From cnaarndt at gmail.com  Tue Feb 22 10:37:21 2022
From: cnaarndt at gmail.com (Curtis Arndt)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 09:37:21 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Leather Seats
In-Reply-To: <5880f608f54a00db8f0136cdcdc36cbd84bb23a3@webmail>
References: <5880f608f54a00db8f0136cdcdc36cbd84bb23a3@webmail>
Message-ID: <CAJKrNeTKY=YOffSnx=+WYQWvNQvwe6L1Aypy4OjvB1Es5daidQ@mail.gmail.com>

Geoff Chrysler did my interior...



On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 9:26 AM <gradea1 at charter.net> wrote:

> Check with Geoff Chrysler, Rightway Trimming for correctness of materials
> and styles. He has done quite a few restores. Hank
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From cnaarndt at gmail.com  Tue Feb 22 10:40:01 2022
From: cnaarndt at gmail.com (Curtis Arndt)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 09:40:01 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Leather Seats
In-Reply-To: <CAJKrNeTKY=YOffSnx=+WYQWvNQvwe6L1Aypy4OjvB1Es5daidQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5880f608f54a00db8f0136cdcdc36cbd84bb23a3@webmail>
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Message-ID: <CAJKrNeTCtaG18QP=L=rXjN7gzPzAbQw1aksG2=0K9PHvv=jJRg@mail.gmail.com>

Here's the vinyl seat back.

On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 9:37 AM Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt at gmail.com> wrote:

> Geoff Chrysler did my interior...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 9:26 AM <gradea1 at charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Check with Geoff Chrysler, Rightway Trimming for correctness of materials
>> and styles. He has done quite a few restores. Hank
>>
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Tue Feb 22 10:51:14 2022
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 09:51:14 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Leather Seats
In-Reply-To: <CAJKrNeTKY=YOffSnx=+WYQWvNQvwe6L1Aypy4OjvB1Es5daidQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5880f608f54a00db8f0136cdcdc36cbd84bb23a3@webmail>
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Message-ID: <2f70c5d1-c14e-1183-9ea4-f61652646fb5@comcast.net>

Wow ... bet they didn't look like that coming from the factory! Gotta 
deduct a point or two for that, no? ;)

I had an 80+ year-old man in San Jose--who'd been doing upholstery since 
he was 13--do my BN2's Moss covers and foams; he said they were among 
the hardest he'd ever done.


On 2/22/2022 9:37 AM, Curtis Arndt via Healeys wrote:
> Geoff Chrysler did my interior...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 9:26 AM <gradea1 at charter.net> wrote:
>
>     Check with Geoff Chrysler, Rightway Trimming for correctness of
>     materials and styles. He has done quite a few restores. Hank
>
>
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From kags at shaw.ca  Tue Feb 22 11:12:39 2022
From: kags at shaw.ca (kags at shaw.ca)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 10:12:39 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Leather Seats
In-Reply-To: <58BA0742-1BC7-49DB-A048-4CA0F118EF8D@hxcore.ol>
References: <58BA0742-1BC7-49DB-A048-4CA0F118EF8D@hxcore.ol>
Message-ID: <001d01d82817$c7bd9940$5738cbc0$@shaw.ca>

Harold - Which model Healey is yours?

 

Earl Kagna

Victoria BC

BJ8, BT7 tri-carb

 

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Harold Manifold via Healeys
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 8:49 AM
To: Ken Fleming via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Leather Seats

 

I am about to have my seats done in leather and I have was wondering if leather was ever offered by the factory. Were all 4 seats and the backrest available in leather or were there different options? My car was originally all vinyl and I would like to match the set up of a factory option if I can.

 

Thanks,

 

Harold

 



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From boyracer466 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 22 11:21:53 2022
From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (Ricchardd Mayor)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 10:21:53 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Mating a 6 cyl transmission to a BN1
In-Reply-To: <441489126.777630.1645544286169@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <8D77C342-C370-4277-887A-6E2B50D7D342@gmail.com>
 <CAFBXTkJgXm08Nh3FPA2aptTt87zSGekzAbS=6ZmcP908C9LuMw@mail.gmail.com>
 <B3A4384E-3E90-4296-85BB-212637728942@gmail.com>
 <729904491.598264.1645483425768@mail.yahoo.com>
 <881639FB-007A-4733-AB7D-FA1CB2AE35A4@gmail.com>
 <441489126.777630.1645544286169@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B20542D6-5BE2-41C8-A28F-90785B5C4863@gmail.com>

What I don?t understand is how the Smitty/Healey 5 speed conversion (bell housing) is advertised to bolt up to a 100/4, 100/6 and 3000.  But I?m now told told you need a special 100/4 engine plate to make it work.   What?s the story?
 
Richard Mayor
Portland, Oregon
boyracer466 at gmail.com





> On Feb 22, 2022, at 7:38 AM, warthodson at aol.com wrote:
> 
> Yes, but the challenge is determining determining where to drill (machine) the holes so that the transmission input shaft is correctly aligned with the pilot bushing with out pre-loading the pilot bushing. That is why the factory provided 2 special alignment bolts (dowel bolts), but they are not at the same location on the 100 engine backplate & the 6 Cyl. backplate
> Gary Hodson
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ricchardd Mayor <boyracer466 at gmail.com>
> To: warthodson at aol.com
> Cc: healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>; healey.nut at gmail.com <healey.nut at gmail.com>
> Sent: Mon, Feb 21, 2022 8:54 pm
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mating a 6 cyl transmission to a BN1
> 
> I see that DW and AH Spares sell aluminum back plates to do the conversion.  Can?t a 6 cylinder back plate be modified to work? 
> 
> 
> Richard Mayor
> Portland, Oregon
> boyracer466 at gmail.com <mailto:boyracer466 at gmail.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2022, at 2:43 PM, warthodson--- via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> I think you will require an engine back plate that fits the 6 cyl bellhousing & is drilled to fit the 4 cyl engine. I believe Dennis Welch sells them. The thickness of the back plate will affect how much the Trans. input shaft has to be shortened. 
>> Gary Hodson
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ricchardd Mayor via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>>
>> To: Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com <mailto:healey.nut at gmail.com>>
>> Cc: Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>>
>> Sent: Mon, Feb 21, 2022 3:28 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mating a 6 cyl transmission to a BN1
>> 
>> A BN2 bell housing will not give me a hydraulic clutch.
>> 
>> Richard Mayor
>> Portland, Oregon
>> boyracer466 at gmail.com <mailto:boyracer466 at gmail.com>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

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From manifold at telus.net  Tue Feb 22 11:28:58 2022
From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 10:28:58 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Leather Seats
In-Reply-To: <001d01d82817$c7bd9940$5738cbc0$@shaw.ca>
References: <58BA0742-1BC7-49DB-A048-4CA0F118EF8D@hxcore.ol>,
 <001d01d82817$c7bd9940$5738cbc0$@shaw.ca>
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From cnaarndt at gmail.com  Tue Feb 22 11:42:13 2022
From: cnaarndt at gmail.com (Curtis Arndt)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 10:42:13 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Leather Seats
In-Reply-To: <2f70c5d1-c14e-1183-9ea4-f61652646fb5@comcast.net>
References: <5880f608f54a00db8f0136cdcdc36cbd84bb23a3@webmail>
 <CAJKrNeTKY=YOffSnx=+WYQWvNQvwe6L1Aypy4OjvB1Es5daidQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <2f70c5d1-c14e-1183-9ea4-f61652646fb5@comcast.net>
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Bob,

*"Wow ... bet they didn't look like that coming from the factory! "*

I will respectfully disagree.  Geoff does very accurate seats and
interiors.  Please compare to my originals...

Cheers,

Curt

On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 9:52 AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:

> Wow ... bet they didn't look like that coming from the factory! Gotta
> deduct a point or two for that, no? ;)
>
> I had an 80+ year-old man in San Jose--who'd been doing upholstery since
> he was 13--do my BN2's Moss covers and foams; he said they were among the
> hardest he'd ever done.
>
>
> On 2/22/2022 9:37 AM, Curtis Arndt via Healeys wrote:
>
> Geoff Chrysler did my interior...
>
>
>
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From cnaarndt at gmail.com  Tue Feb 22 11:43:32 2022
From: cnaarndt at gmail.com (Curtis Arndt)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 10:43:32 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Leather Seats
References: <5880f608f54a00db8f0136cdcdc36cbd84bb23a3@webmail>
 <CAJKrNeTKY=YOffSnx=+WYQWvNQvwe6L1Aypy4OjvB1Es5daidQ@mail.gmail.com>
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More photos, and remember, this was a 78K mile car, so some wear on the
seats...

On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 10:42 AM Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bob,
>
> *"Wow ... bet they didn't look like that coming from the factory! "*
>
> I will respectfully disagree.  Geoff does very accurate seats and
> interiors.  Please compare to my originals...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Curt
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 9:52 AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Wow ... bet they didn't look like that coming from the factory! Gotta
>> deduct a point or two for that, no? ;)
>>
>> I had an 80+ year-old man in San Jose--who'd been doing upholstery since
>> he was 13--do my BN2's Moss covers and foams; he said they were among the
>> hardest he'd ever done.
>>
>>
>> On 2/22/2022 9:37 AM, Curtis Arndt via Healeys wrote:
>>
>> Geoff Chrysler did my interior...
>>
>>
>>
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Tue Feb 22 11:51:47 2022
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 10:51:47 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Leather Seats
In-Reply-To: <CAJKrNeQQA2z1on77y2bz0v231myB8nB+o9vpRfxAC9F8Fb-jZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5880f608f54a00db8f0136cdcdc36cbd84bb23a3@webmail>
 <CAJKrNeTKY=YOffSnx=+WYQWvNQvwe6L1Aypy4OjvB1Es5daidQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <2f70c5d1-c14e-1183-9ea4-f61652646fb5@comcast.net>
 <CAJKrNeQQA2z1on77y2bz0v231myB8nB+o9vpRfxAC9F8Fb-jZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <573965ec-cd79-c974-105e-830c35d77452@comcast.net>

Shoulda said /*"Bet they didn't look THAT GOOD coming from the factory!" 
*/That's what I meant, anyway.

On 2/22/2022 10:42 AM, Curtis Arndt wrote:
> Bob,
> */
> /*
> */"Wow ... bet they didn't look like that coming from the factory! "/*
>
> I will respectfully?disagree.? Geoff does very accurate seats and 
> interiors.? Please compare to my originals...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Curt
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 9:52 AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>     Wow ... bet they didn't look like that coming from the factory!
>     Gotta deduct a point or two for that, no? ;)
>
>     I had an 80+ year-old man in San Jose--who'd been doing upholstery
>     since he was 13--do my BN2's Moss covers and foams; he said they
>     were among the hardest he'd ever done.
>
>
>     On 2/22/2022 9:37 AM, Curtis Arndt via Healeys wrote:
>>     Geoff Chrysler did my interior...
>
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From healeyguy at aol.com  Tue Feb 22 11:53:07 2022
From: healeyguy at aol.com (Perry Small)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 13:53:07 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Mating a 6 cyl transmission to a BN1
In-Reply-To: <B20542D6-5BE2-41C8-A28F-90785B5C4863@gmail.com>
References: <B20542D6-5BE2-41C8-A28F-90785B5C4863@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2412C59B-8C32-4B4D-8516-28043879443C@aol.com>

Richard
At first I thought the Smitty plate might have extra holes drilled or slotted holes to accommodate both engines. Just overlaid the 100 back plate on the six cylinder back plate and that quickly showed that one plate fits all was not an option. 
Perry

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 22, 2022, at 1:22 PM, Ricchardd Mayor <boyracer466 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?What I don?t understand is how the Smitty/Healey 5 speed conversion (bell housing) is advertised to bolt up to a 100/4, 100/6 and 3000.  But I?m now told told you need a special 100/4 engine plate to make it work.   What?s the story?
>  
> Richard Mayor
> Portland, Oregon
> boyracer466 at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Feb 22, 2022, at 7:38 AM, warthodson at aol.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, but the challenge is determining determining where to drill (machine) the holes so that the transmission input shaft is correctly aligned with the pilot bushing with out pre-loading the pilot bushing. That is why the factory provided 2 special alignment bolts (dowel bolts), but they are not at the same location on the 100 engine backplate & the 6 Cyl. backplate
>>> Gary Hodson
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ricchardd Mayor <boyracer466 at gmail.com>
>>> To: warthodson at aol.com
>>> Cc: healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>; healey.nut at gmail.com <healey.nut at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Mon, Feb 21, 2022 8:54 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mating a 6 cyl transmission to a BN1
>>> 
>>> I see that DW and AH Spares sell aluminum back plates to do the conversion.  Can?t a 6 cylinder back plate be modified to work? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard Mayor
>>> Portland, Oregon
>>> boyracer466 at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2022, at 2:43 PM, warthodson--- via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think you will require an engine back plate that fits the 6 cyl bellhousing & is drilled to fit the 4 cyl engine. I believe Dennis Welch sells them. The thickness of the back plate will affect how much the Trans. input shaft has to be shortened. 
>>> Gary Hodson
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ricchardd Mayor via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
>>> To: Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Mon, Feb 21, 2022 3:28 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mating a 6 cyl transmission to a BN1
>>> 
>>> A BN2 bell housing will not give me a hydraulic clutch.
>>> 
>>> Richard Mayor
>>> Portland, Oregon
>>> boyracer466 at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
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From airtightproductions at me.com  Tue Feb 22 12:10:54 2022
From: airtightproductions at me.com (Steven Kingsbury)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 19:10:54 -0000
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes
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Driving home from a two hundred mile jaunt, my car had some problems going uphill. Made some weird noises and so I pulled off the road and being 14 miles from home, called a tow truck. Did a compression check when I got home, cylinders 1 and 2, 150 lbs! Cylinders 3 and 4, 0 lbs!?Pulled the head and found this. Not a good sight.?Steven KingsburyBN1
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From airtightproductions at me.com  Tue Feb 22 12:13:50 2022
From: airtightproductions at me.com (Steven Kingsbury)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 19:13:50 -0000
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two
Message-ID: <7f0ceb5a-1635-48be-b019-cc2f949b2682@me.com>

Luckily the pistons weren't frozen, nor the rings in the pistons, but when I turned the head over to inspect, I got the really bad news.Oh well. I guess some JB Weld might hold!?? Ha! Damn it Jim.S
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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 22 12:52:41 2022
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 11:52:41 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two
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?
Ira Erbs
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          BT7 engine and disk brakes


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On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 11:29 AM Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <
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> Luckily the pistons weren't frozen, nor the rings in the pistons, but when
> I turned the head over to inspect, I got the really bad news.
>
>
>
> Oh well. I guess some JB Weld might hold!?  Ha! Damn it Jim.
> S
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From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 22 13:01:15 2022
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 12:01:15 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two
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A cast iron welding service is in order, then re-surface.  At least an
easier job then the dreaded crack between 3 and 4.  Or, is it time to go to
aluminum?
Mike MacLean

On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 11:28 AM Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Luckily the pistons weren't frozen, nor the rings in the pistons, but when
> I turned the head over to inspect, I got the really bad news.
>
>
>
> Oh well. I guess some JB Weld might hold!?  Ha! Damn it Jim.
> S
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From healeyguy at aol.com  Tue Feb 22 13:03:35 2022
From: healeyguy at aol.com (healeyguy at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 20:03:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes
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While it is not a good thing to see, it could be worse.? There was a time when the available aftermarket head gaskets seemed to let go in that location.P


-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
To: Healey Mail List <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 22, 2022 2:10 pm
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes

Driving home from a two hundred mile jaunt, my car had some problems going uphill. Made some weird noises and so I pulled off the road and being 14 miles from home, called a tow truck. Did a compression check when I got home, cylinders 1 and 2, 150 lbs! Cylinders 3 and 4, 0 lbs!?
Pulled the head and found this. Not a good sight.?
Steven Kingsbury
BN1


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From healeyguy at aol.com  Tue Feb 22 13:07:55 2022
From: healeyguy at aol.com (healeyguy at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 20:07:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two
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I should have looked at all of the emails before responding.? Looks like time for a bit of welding and surfacing.? Hopefully no cracks in the head.?P


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To: Healey Mail List <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 22, 2022 2:13 pm
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two

Luckily the pistons weren't frozen, nor the rings in the pistons, but when I turned the head over to inspect, I got the really bad news.



Oh well. I guess some JB Weld might hold!?? Ha! Damn it Jim.
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From gradea1 at charter.net  Tue Feb 22 13:23:06 2022
From: gradea1 at charter.net (gradea1 at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 20:23:06 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two
Message-ID: <32b0559694568f2fb262718009ab1357751519a7@webmail>

Steven-that's a real heavy piston at .060 (compression ratio 9:1?) Was
there any defect in head prior to assembly? Magnafluxed? There is an
outfit Midwest Cylinder Head that can repair that for about $500, or
else is on to Denis Welch for about $4K.
I just had my head off and checked-they shaved .003 to get it flat.
Fingers crossed-head gasket was not blown, but water in oil. I'm
hoping it was water intrusion from rocker studs. Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: "Steven Kingsbury via
Healeys" 
To: "Healey Mail List"
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday February 22 2022 11:28:21AM
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two

 Luckily the pistons weren't frozen, nor the rings in the pistons, but
when I turned the head over to inspect, I got the really bad news.

 Oh well. I guess some JB Weld might hold!? Ha! Damn it Jim.
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From wdavid890dd at aol.com  Tue Feb 22 13:29:05 2022
From: wdavid890dd at aol.com (wdavid890dd at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 20:29:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 57
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Yuck


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While it is not a good thing to see, it could be worse.? There was a time when the available aftermarket head gaskets seemed to let go in that location.P


-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
To: Healey Mail List <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 22, 2022 2:10 pm
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes

Driving home from a two hundred mile jaunt, my car had some problems going uphill. Made some weird noises and so I pulled off the road and being 14 miles from home, called a tow truck. Did a compression check when I got home, cylinders 1 and 2, 150 lbs! Cylinders 3 and 4, 0 lbs!?
Pulled the head and found this. Not a good sight.?
Steven Kingsbury
BN1


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From michael.oritt at gmail.com  Tue Feb 22 13:32:28 2022
From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 15:32:28 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes
In-Reply-To: <565eeabd-a067-4dde-8575-83b12a918fd7@me.com>
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Steven--

Unfortunately not uncommon and now is a good time to pull the head and get
it to a machine shop to make it flat.  Be sure there is no metal erosion on
the bridge between 3 and 4.  Consider replacing with a steel head gasket
and uprated studs.

Best--Michael Oritt

On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 2:12 PM Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Driving home from a two hundred mile jaunt, my car had some problems going
> uphill. Made some weird noises and so I pulled off the road and being 14
> miles from home, called a tow truck. Did a compression check when I got
> home, cylinders 1 and 2, 150 lbs! Cylinders 3 and 4, 0 lbs!
> Pulled the head and found this. Not a good sight.
> Steven Kingsbury
> BN1
>
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From michael.oritt at gmail.com  Tue Feb 22 13:42:51 2022
From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 15:42:51 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two
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Hmm, that adds a wrinkle.

Yes, it can be welded up but as Mike suggests it may be time to go with an
AL head.

Best--Michael Oritt

On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 3:04 PM Michael MacLean via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> A cast iron welding service is in order, then re-surface.  At least an
> easier job then the dreaded crack between 3 and 4.  Or, is it time to go to
> aluminum?
> Mike MacLean
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 11:28 AM Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Luckily the pistons weren't frozen, nor the rings in the pistons, but
>> when I turned the head over to inspect, I got the really bad news.
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh well. I guess some JB Weld might hold!?  Ha! Damn it Jim.
>> S
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From kentmclean at comcast.net  Tue Feb 22 13:56:00 2022
From: kentmclean at comcast.net (Kent McLean)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 15:56:00 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two
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<sad tale of blow head gasket deleted>

Michael MacLean wrote:
> Or, is it time to go to aluminum?

Or maybe electric? Here's Chevy's offering, 200 HP, 266 b-ft of torque:
https://www.thedrive.com/news/37354/the-chevrolet-performance-ecrate-is-here-to-make-electric-drivetrain-swaps-easier-than-ever

Ford's: 281 HP, 317 lb-ft of torque.
https://www.hotcars.com/meet-the-e-crate-motor-from-ford-the-eluminator/

The challenge will be finding a supplier, then working out the install details. Piece of cake. :)

- 
Kent McLean
'56 BN-2

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From waschu2 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 22 18:48:11 2022
From: waschu2 at gmail.com (Wayne Schultz)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 20:48:11 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 57
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Check the head for warps and have the valve guides and valves checked out.
Have the machine shop crack chec the head also. This is the head gasket
that I use, never any issues. Warning it is $$$.

https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/engine-4-cylinder/competition-head-gasket.aspx



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> Driving home from a two hundred mile jaunt, my car had some problems going
> uphill. Made some weird noises and so I pulled off the road and being 14
> miles from home, called a tow truck. Did a compression check when I got
> home, cylinders 1 and 2, 150 lbs! Cylinders 3 and 4, 0 lbs!?
> Pulled the head and found this. Not a good sight.?
> Steven Kingsbury
> BN1
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From ynotink at msn.com  Tue Feb 22 20:26:31 2022
From: ynotink at msn.com (WILLIAM B LAWRENCE)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 03:26:31 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two
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Have it crack checked before you invest in welding and machining, although a good shop will let you know if it?s not usable.
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Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 8:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two

Hmm, that adds a wrinkle.

Yes, it can be welded up but as Mike suggests it may be time to go with an AL head.

Best--Michael Oritt

On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 3:04 PM Michael MacLean via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:
A cast iron welding service is in order, then re-surface.  At least an easier job then the dreaded crack between 3 and 4.  Or, is it time to go to aluminum?
Mike MacLean

On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 11:28 AM Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Luckily the pistons weren't frozen, nor the rings in the pistons, but when I turned the head over to inspect, I got the really bad news.

[cid:17f2303e476625dafe01]

Oh well. I guess some JB Weld might hold!?  Ha! Damn it Jim.
S
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Subject: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 57
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I agree with you about the head gasket, but be aware that both mating surfaces will need to have a fine machined surface to make it work. That may require removal and disassembly of the engine.
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Check the head for warps and have the valve guides and valves checked out. Have the machine shop crack chec the head also. This is the head gasket that I use, never any issues. Warning it is $$$.

https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/engine-4-cylinder/competition-head-gasket.aspx



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While it is not a good thing to see, it could be worse.? There was a time when the available aftermarket head gaskets seemed to let go in that location.P


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Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes

Driving home from a two hundred mile jaunt, my car had some problems going uphill. Made some weird noises and so I pulled off the road and being 14 miles from home, called a tow truck. Did a compression check when I got home, cylinders 1 and 2, 150 lbs! Cylinders 3 and 4, 0 lbs!?
Pulled the head and found this. Not a good sight.?
Steven Kingsbury
BN1


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From airtightproductions at me.com  Wed Feb 23 09:34:18 2022
From: airtightproductions at me.com (Steven Kingsbury)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:34:18 -0000
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Three
Message-ID: <97ce4578-639a-4f54-8f60-b350f8e0e1d4@me.com>

Let me start with a little history with this email. My engine has just a shade under 3,000 miles on it since rebuild. The head was checked for cracks, none found and was ever so slightly shaved to make sure it was completely flat. The machine shop I use builds race engines and they do really good, reliable work.Then the block was gone through, new sleeves inserted and bored so to fit my new pistons. Again the top of the block was checked and double checked to make sure it was flat and mated to the head.When I fired this engine up for the first time after rebuild, she lept to life! No turning it over and over and over. She fired right up. I was quite pleased. I ran the engine for about twenty minutes at 2,000 RPM, never got above 180 degrees and then took her out on the road. I took care not to over rev, and drove up a long hill in third gear at low RPM to help set the rings.?I did have some problems with the distributor, but that was fixed and at fifty miles I checked the head again for torque. I drove the car more and retorqued the head again at 150 miles, all was fine.I checked again at 500 miles and again at 1500 miles. All was fine.?Anyway, this history is to let you know I think I did everything I could and did everything overly cautious to break this engine in correctly. And this engine was running great! My car was a joy to drive and loved cruising down the freeway at 80 mph! Seventy was a sweet spot and was a joy to drive. I'm now thinking of going with the aluminum head thanks to the combined wisdom of this list. Aluminum head with the steel gasket. I've heard nothing but good news about them and I don't want to have that worry/doubt while driving down the road. I am also going to continue down the path of fixing this head as I think it's worth it in the long run.?I want to thank all of those sending in suggestions and tips and cautionary tales and things to look for and all of the views have led me to believe, bite the bullet and spend the money.Thank you all and I will report back!Steven KingsburyBN1?
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Wed Feb 23 09:52:02 2022
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 08:52:02 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Three
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Steven,

Sounds to me like you did everything 'right.' Do you recall the brand of 
gasket you used? Payen used to be the 'go-to' and I think might have 
been OEM equipment, but I heard--Disclaimer: hearsay--they, like a lot 
of other companies, moved their manufacturing overseas at some point, 
and quality suffered. I had my BJ8's engine overhauled a few years ago 
and, like you, had a well-known speed shop do the rebuild, but the 
otherwise excellent mechanic goofed: He installed points so he could 
static time the engine and get it to fire quickly on the test stand, but 
he apparently didn't think to re-time the distributor when he 
re-installed the Pertronix Ignitor. When I got the engine back in the 
car and started it up it barely ran and backfired like crazy. Turns out 
it was running about 20deg retarded.

Fortunately, I had a Payen gasket set I'd bought decades ago and I 
supplied it to the mechanic; no issues with (my car's) head in over 6K 
miles.

Bob


On 2/23/2022 8:34 AM, Steven Kingsbury via Healeys wrote:
> Let me start with a little history with this email. My engine has just 
> a shade under 3,000 miles on it since rebuild. The head was checked 
> for cracks, none found and was ever so slightly shaved to make sure it 
> was completely flat. The machine shop I use builds race engines and 
> they do really good, reliable work.
> Then the block was gone through, new sleeves inserted and bored so to 
> fit my new pistons. Again the top of the block was checked and double 
> checked to make sure it was flat and mated to the head.
> When I fired this engine up for the first time after rebuild, she lept 
> to life! No turning it over and over and over. She fired right up. I 
> was quite pleased.
> I ran the engine for about twenty minutes at 2,000 RPM, never got 
> above 180 degrees and then took her out on the road. I took care not 
> to over rev, and drove up a long hill in third gear at low RPM to help 
> set the rings.
> I did have some problems with the distributor, but that was fixed and 
> at fifty miles I checked the head again for torque. I drove the car 
> more and retorqued the head again at 150 miles, all was fine.
> I checked again at 500 miles and again at 1500 miles. All was fine.
> Anyway, this history is to let you know I think I did everything I 
> could and did everything overly cautious to break this engine in 
> correctly. And this engine was running great! My car was a joy to 
> drive and loved cruising down the freeway at 80 mph! Seventy was a 
> sweet spot and was a joy to drive.
> I'm now thinking of going with the aluminum head thanks to the 
> combined wisdom of this list. Aluminum head with the steel gasket. 
> I've heard nothing but good news about them and I don't want to have 
> that worry/doubt while driving down the road. I am also going to 
> continue down the path of fixing this head as I think it's worth it in 
> the long run.
> I want to thank all of those sending in suggestions and tips and 
> cautionary tales and things to look for and all of the views have led 
> me to believe, bite the bullet and spend the money.
> Thank you all and I will report back!
> Steven Kingsbury
> BN1
>
>


From ynotink at msn.com  Wed Feb 23 10:01:31 2022
From: ynotink at msn.com (WILLIAM B LAWRENCE)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 17:01:31 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Three
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I had a bunch of trouble with head gaskets before my last rebuild. It occurred to me that the laminated copper gaskets I was using had an area of overlap in the combustion chamber that exposes the thin copper to erosion by hot combustion gases. My theory is that the copper burns away and exposes the asbestos core which is then gradually burned out until the gasket fails catastrophically. I used a solid copper gasket for a time with good results, but couldn?t get it to seal between the oil and water systems. At the last rebuild I installed the Denis Welch competition gasket and had both surfaces tried and finished. The results have been great.
________________________________
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 4:34 PM
To: Healey Mail List <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Three

Let me start with a little history with this email. My engine has just a shade under 3,000 miles on it since rebuild. The head was checked for cracks, none found and was ever so slightly shaved to make sure it was completely flat. The machine shop I use builds race engines and they do really good, reliable work.
Then the block was gone through, new sleeves inserted and bored so to fit my new pistons. Again the top of the block was checked and double checked to make sure it was flat and mated to the head.
When I fired this engine up for the first time after rebuild, she lept to life! No turning it over and over and over. She fired right up. I was quite pleased.
I ran the engine for about twenty minutes at 2,000 RPM, never got above 180 degrees and then took her out on the road. I took care not to over rev, and drove up a long hill in third gear at low RPM to help set the rings.
I did have some problems with the distributor, but that was fixed and at fifty miles I checked the head again for torque. I drove the car more and retorqued the head again at 150 miles, all was fine.
I checked again at 500 miles and again at 1500 miles. All was fine.
Anyway, this history is to let you know I think I did everything I could and did everything overly cautious to break this engine in correctly. And this engine was running great! My car was a joy to drive and loved cruising down the freeway at 80 mph! Seventy was a sweet spot and was a joy to drive.
I'm now thinking of going with the aluminum head thanks to the combined wisdom of this list. Aluminum head with the steel gasket. I've heard nothing but good news about them and I don't want to have that worry/doubt while driving down the road. I am also going to continue down the path of fixing this head as I think it's worth it in the long run.
I want to thank all of those sending in suggestions and tips and cautionary tales and things to look for and all of the views have led me to believe, bite the bullet and spend the money.
Thank you all and I will report back!
Steven Kingsbury
BN1
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From ah100tech at gmail.com  Wed Feb 23 10:24:48 2022
From: ah100tech at gmail.com (john harper)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 17:24:48 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Three
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Steve

You say that you had distributor problems. Could it be that you ran the
engine with the distributor over advanced? It is possible that you had
pre-ignition or knocking. If over advanced then the pressure on the pistons
can be very high before 'over top dead centre'. This might put more
pressure on the head gasket than expected.

The flame front temperature must have been very high to burn away a groove
in the head.

Best regards

On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 17:02, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

>
> I had a bunch of trouble with head gaskets before my last rebuild. It
> occurred to me that the laminated copper gaskets I was using had an area of
> overlap in the combustion chamber that exposes the thin copper to erosion
> by hot combustion gases. My theory is that the copper burns away and
> exposes the asbestos core which is then gradually burned out until the
> gasket fails catastrophically. I used a solid copper gasket for a time with
> good results, but couldn?t get it to seal between the oil and water
> systems. At the last rebuild I installed the Denis Welch competition gasket
> and had both surfaces tried and finished. The results have been great.
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Steven
> Kingsbury via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 23, 2022 4:34 PM
> *To:* Healey Mail List <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Three
>
> Let me start with a little history with this email. My engine has just a
> shade under 3,000 miles on it since rebuild. The head was checked for
> cracks, none found and was ever so slightly shaved to make sure it was
> completely flat. The machine shop I use builds race engines and they do
> really good, reliable work.
> Then the block was gone through, new sleeves inserted and bored so to fit
> my new pistons. Again the top of the block was checked and double checked
> to make sure it was flat and mated to the head.
> When I fired this engine up for the first time after rebuild, she lept to
> life! No turning it over and over and over. She fired right up. I was quite
> pleased.
> I ran the engine for about twenty minutes at 2,000 RPM, never got above
> 180 degrees and then took her out on the road. I took care not to over rev,
> and drove up a long hill in third gear at low RPM to help set the rings.
> I did have some problems with the distributor, but that was fixed and at
> fifty miles I checked the head again for torque. I drove the car more and
> retorqued the head again at 150 miles, all was fine.
> I checked again at 500 miles and again at 1500 miles. All was fine.
> Anyway, this history is to let you know I think I did everything I could
> and did everything overly cautious to break this engine in correctly. And
> this engine was running great! My car was a joy to drive and loved cruising
> down the freeway at 80 mph! Seventy was a sweet spot and was a joy to
> drive.
> I'm now thinking of going with the aluminum head thanks to the combined
> wisdom of this list. Aluminum head with the steel gasket. I've heard
> nothing but good news about them and I don't want to have that worry/doubt
> while driving down the road. I am also going to continue down the path of
> fixing this head as I think it's worth it in the long run.
> I want to thank all of those sending in suggestions and tips and
> cautionary tales and things to look for and all of the views have led me to
> believe, bite the bullet and spend the money.
> Thank you all and I will report back!
> Steven Kingsbury
> BN1
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From michael.oritt at gmail.com  Wed Feb 23 11:57:33 2022
From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 13:57:33 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Three
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Steven

Yours is a cautionary tale as notwithstanding all your efforts the head
cracked etc as did mine in 2001.

I did what so many of us have:  put on a DW Aluminum head with steel
gasket.  No problems since.

Best-Michael Oritt,  BN1

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022, 11:35 AM Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Let me start with a little history with this email. My engine has just a
> shade under 3,000 miles on it since rebuild. The head was checked for
> cracks, none found and was ever so slightly shaved to make sure it was
> completely flat. The machine shop I use builds race engines and they do
> really good, reliable work.
> Then the block was gone through, new sleeves inserted and bored so to fit
> my new pistons. Again the top of the block was checked and double checked
> to make sure it was flat and mated to the head.
> When I fired this engine up for the first time after rebuild, she lept to
> life! No turning it over and over and over. She fired right up. I was quite
> pleased.
> I ran the engine for about twenty minutes at 2,000 RPM, never got above
> 180 degrees and then took her out on the road. I took care not to over rev,
> and drove up a long hill in third gear at low RPM to help set the rings.
> I did have some problems with the distributor, but that was fixed and at
> fifty miles I checked the head again for torque. I drove the car more and
> retorqued the head again at 150 miles, all was fine.
> I checked again at 500 miles and again at 1500 miles. All was fine.
> Anyway, this history is to let you know I think I did everything I could
> and did everything overly cautious to break this engine in correctly. And
> this engine was running great! My car was a joy to drive and loved cruising
> down the freeway at 80 mph! Seventy was a sweet spot and was a joy to
> drive.
> I'm now thinking of going with the aluminum head thanks to the combined
> wisdom of this list. Aluminum head with the steel gasket. I've heard
> nothing but good news about them and I don't want to have that worry/doubt
> while driving down the road. I am also going to continue down the path of
> fixing this head as I think it's worth it in the long run.
> I want to thank all of those sending in suggestions and tips and
> cautionary tales and things to look for and all of the views have led me to
> believe, bite the bullet and spend the money.
> Thank you all and I will report back!
> Steven Kingsbury
> BN1
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From ynotink at msn.com  Wed Feb 23 11:57:54 2022
From: ynotink at msn.com (WILLIAM B LAWRENCE)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 18:57:54 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Three
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Correction: tried = trued.

________________________________
From: john harper <ah100tech at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 5:24 PM
To: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink at msn.com>
Cc: Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>; Steven Kingsbury <airtightproductions at me.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Three

Steve

You say that you had distributor problems. Could it be that you ran the engine with the distributor over advanced? It is possible that you had pre-ignition or knocking. If over advanced then the pressure on the pistons can be very high before 'over top dead centre'. This might put more pressure on the head gasket than expected.

The flame front temperature must have been very high to burn away a groove in the head.

Best regards

On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 17:02, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:

I had a bunch of trouble with head gaskets before my last rebuild. It occurred to me that the laminated copper gaskets I was using had an area of overlap in the combustion chamber that exposes the thin copper to erosion by hot combustion gases. My theory is that the copper burns away and exposes the asbestos core which is then gradually burned out until the gasket fails catastrophically. I used a solid copper gasket for a time with good results, but couldn?t get it to seal between the oil and water systems. At the last rebuild I installed the Denis Welch competition gasket and had both surfaces tried and finished. The results have been great.
________________________________
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net>> on behalf of Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 4:34 PM
To: Healey Mail List <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>>
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Three

Let me start with a little history with this email. My engine has just a shade under 3,000 miles on it since rebuild. The head was checked for cracks, none found and was ever so slightly shaved to make sure it was completely flat. The machine shop I use builds race engines and they do really good, reliable work.
Then the block was gone through, new sleeves inserted and bored so to fit my new pistons. Again the top of the block was checked and double checked to make sure it was flat and mated to the head.
When I fired this engine up for the first time after rebuild, she lept to life! No turning it over and over and over. She fired right up. I was quite pleased.
I ran the engine for about twenty minutes at 2,000 RPM, never got above 180 degrees and then took her out on the road. I took care not to over rev, and drove up a long hill in third gear at low RPM to help set the rings.
I did have some problems with the distributor, but that was fixed and at fifty miles I checked the head again for torque. I drove the car more and retorqued the head again at 150 miles, all was fine.
I checked again at 500 miles and again at 1500 miles. All was fine.
Anyway, this history is to let you know I think I did everything I could and did everything overly cautious to break this engine in correctly. And this engine was running great! My car was a joy to drive and loved cruising down the freeway at 80 mph! Seventy was a sweet spot and was a joy to drive.
I'm now thinking of going with the aluminum head thanks to the combined wisdom of this list. Aluminum head with the steel gasket. I've heard nothing but good news about them and I don't want to have that worry/doubt while driving down the road. I am also going to continue down the path of fixing this head as I think it's worth it in the long run.
I want to thank all of those sending in suggestions and tips and cautionary tales and things to look for and all of the views have led me to believe, bite the bullet and spend the money.
Thank you all and I will report back!
Steven Kingsbury
BN1
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From airtightproductions at me.com  Wed Feb 23 12:01:46 2022
From: airtightproductions at me.com (Steven Kingsbury)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 19:01:46 -0000
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Three
Message-ID: <65223879-29b8-416e-92c2-12d54dc15e2d@me.com>

William,I think your theory about the overlap is a good one and makes the most sense to me. I have heard from more than one 100 owner who experienced very similar problems with head gaskets. Some repeatedly, so rather than fall into that trap, I think aluminum is in my future.Thanks all for the comments and suggestions.StevenOn Feb 23, 2022, at 9:02 AM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink at msn.com> wrote:I had a bunch of trouble with head gaskets before my last rebuild. It occurred to me that the laminated copper gaskets I was using had an area of overlap in the combustion chamber that exposes
 the thin copper to erosion by hot combustion gases. My theory is that the copper burns away and exposes the asbestos core which is then gradually burned out until the gasket fails catastrophically. I used a solid copper gasket for a time with good results,
 but couldn?t get it to seal between the oil and water systems. At the last rebuild I installed the Denis Welch competition gasket and had both surfaces tried and finished. The results have been great.From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 4:34 PM To: Healey Mail List <healeys at autox.team.net> Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Three ?Let me start with a little history with this email. My engine has just a shade under 3,000 miles on it since rebuild. The head was checked for cracks, none found and was ever so slightly shaved to make sure it was completely flat. The machine shop I use
 builds race engines and they do really good, reliable work.Then the block was gone through, new sleeves inserted and bored so to fit my new pistons. Again the top of the block was checked and double checked to make sure it was flat and mated to the head.When I fired this engine up for the first time after rebuild, she lept to life! No turning it over and over and over. She fired right up. I was quite pleased. I ran the engine for about twenty minutes at 2,000 RPM, never got above 180 degrees and then took her out on the road. I took care not to over rev, and drove up a long hill in third gear at low RPM to help set the rings.?I did have some problems with the distributor, but that was fixed and at fifty miles I checked the head again for torque. I drove the car more and retorqued the head again at 150 miles, all was fine.I checked again at 500 miles and again at 1500 miles. All was fine.?Anyway, this history is to let you know I think I did everything I could and did everything overly cautious to break this engine in correctly. And this engine was running great! My car was a joy to drive and loved cruising down the freeway at 80 mph! Seventy
 was a sweet spot and was a joy to drive. I'm now thinking of going with the aluminum head thanks to the combined wisdom of this list. Aluminum head with the steel gasket. I've heard nothing but good news about them and I don't want to have that worry/doubt while driving down the road. I am also
 going to continue down the path of fixing this head as I think it's worth it in the long run.?I want to thank all of those sending in suggestions and tips and cautionary tales and things to look for and all of the views have led me to believe, bite the bullet and spend the money.Thank you all and I will report back!Steven KingsburyBN1?
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From gradea1 at charter.net  Wed Feb 23 13:00:48 2022
From: gradea1 at charter.net (gradea1 at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:00:48 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket
Message-ID: <eaf9c8b129062ae6c14d58dcb1e5f338df44cac5@webmail>

HAS ANYONE EVER STUCK A MAGNET TO A PAYEN COPPER gasket? I did-its a
steel gasket with a copper coating. There is a real engineering issue
with the 2660cc block and I am not sure why it is configured as it is.
There may have been a study done on the engine's water flow way back
then and some modifications made for cooling. It does not add up or
make sense, however.
So, look at this head and the gasket and then the block. Why are the
water passages reduced on the jackets shown? Then too, why is there no
passage in one area marked that is actually open for water on the head
AND gasket? This is one "hot spot" found between 2-3 cylinders when
read with a heat gun.
I was tempted to drill out the opening in the block before
re-assembling my head, but thought better of it. I would never
question engineering technology of BMC. Modern day replacements have
that same area blocked. Never-the-less, can anyone explain this
concept to me; the reason for this and a 4lb. radiator cap. This
engine needs water, lots of it to keep it cool. Why restrict it? Then
too, aluminum has its own set of issues that may/may not improve the
cooling capacity of some old, thick cast iron block. Maybe throwing
money at it has an effect. Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: gradea1 at charter.net
To: "Steven Kingsbury"
Cc: "Healey Mail List"
Sent: Tuesday February 22 2022 12:23:07PM
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two

 Steven-that's a real heavy piston at .060 (compression ratio 9:1?)
Was there any defect in head prior to assembly? Magnafluxed? There is
an outfit Midwest Cylinder Head that can repair that for about $500,
or else is on to Denis Welch for about $4K. 
 I just had my head off and checked-they shaved .003 to get it flat.
Fingers crossed-head gasket was not blown, but water in oil. I'm
hoping it was water intrusion from rocker studs. Hank 

	----------------------------------------- From: "Steven Kingsbury via
Healeys"
 To: "Healey Mail List"
 Cc:
 Sent: Tuesday February 22 2022 11:28:21AM
 Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two

Luckily the pistons weren't frozen, nor the rings in the pistons, but
when I turned the head over to inspect, I got the really bad news.

 Oh well. I guess some JB Weld might hold!? Ha! Damn it Jim.
 S
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Wed Feb 23 13:22:08 2022
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 15:22:08 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket
In-Reply-To: <eaf9c8b129062ae6c14d58dcb1e5f338df44cac5@webmail>
References: <eaf9c8b129062ae6c14d58dcb1e5f338df44cac5@webmail>
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For what it's worth, I always have the block skimmed on 100 engine
rebuilds.
To date most if not all seem to have a low area between 2 & 3.
Touch wood, I've yet to encounter head gasket problems or even the very
common "seepage" issues in the area of the engine number tag.
Fingers and toes crossed.

M

On Wed., Feb. 23, 2022, 3:02 p.m. Henry G Leach via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Has anyone ever stuck a magnet to a Payen *copper* gasket? I did-its a
> steel gasket with a copper coating. There is a real engineering issue with
> the 2660cc block and I am not sure why it is configured as it is. There may
> have been a study done on the engine's water flow way back then and some
> modifications made for cooling. It does not add up or make sense, however.
>
> So, look at this head and the gasket and then the block. Why are the water
> passages reduced on the jackets shown?  Then too, why is there no passage
> in one area marked that is actually open for water on the head* and*
> gasket? This is one "hot spot" found between 2-3 cylinders when read with a
> heat gun.
>
> I was tempted to drill out the opening in the block before re-assembling
> my head, but thought better of it. I would never question engineering
> technology of BMC. Modern day replacements have that same area blocked.
> Never-the-less, can anyone explain this concept to me; the reason for this
> and a 4lb. radiator cap. This engine needs water, lots of it to keep it
> cool. Why restrict it?  Then too, aluminum has its own set of issues that
> may/may not improve the cooling capacity of some old, thick cast iron
> block. Maybe throwing money at it has an effect.  Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
> From: gradea1 at charter.net
> To: "Steven Kingsbury"
> Cc: "Healey Mail List"
> Sent: Tuesday February 22 2022 12:23:07PM
> Subject: RE: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two
>
> Steven-that's a real heavy piston at .060 (compression ratio 9:1?) Was
> there any defect in head prior to assembly? Magnafluxed? There is an outfit
> Midwest Cylinder Head that can repair that for about $500, or else is on to
> Denis Welch for about $4K.
>
> I just had my head off and checked-they shaved .003 to get it flat.
> Fingers crossed-head gasket was not blown, but water in oil. I'm hoping it
> was water intrusion from rocker studs. Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
> From: "Steven Kingsbury via Healeys"
> To: "Healey Mail List"
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday February 22 2022 11:28:21AM
> Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two
>
> Luckily the pistons weren't frozen, nor the rings in the pistons, but when
> I turned the head over to inspect, I got the really bad news.
>
> [image: INBOX530788498d9fa86f504913dab139d4d9ef6]
>
> Oh well. I guess some JB Weld might hold!?  Ha! Damn it Jim.
> S
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From healeybruce at roadrunner.com  Wed Feb 23 14:07:52 2022
From: healeybruce at roadrunner.com (Bruce Steele)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 13:07:52 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] 4-way flasher conversion
Message-ID: <03a201d828f9$6bc59bf0$4350d3d0$@roadrunner.com>

Hi, all.  Looking for input on installing 4-way flasher/hazard system on a
BJ7.  I found a couple of options on John Sims' site.  Any experience with
these, or other set ups?

 

Thanks.  

 


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Brea, CA

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From ynotink at msn.com  Wed Feb 23 15:08:48 2022
From: ynotink at msn.com (WILLIAM B LAWRENCE)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:08:48 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket
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Blocking some passages may have been done to balance the cooling between hotter and cooler areas in the block. A 4 psi cap was probably considered sufficient at the time because the engine was intended to run at a lower temperature. Increasing the system pressure raises the coolant boiling point, but also increases stress on hoses, gaskets and seals. I think the thermostats used were in the 160 degree F range. Under the conditions that were anticipated they probably tried to minimize those stresses for warranty reasons. More recent experience says that engines run more efficiently at higher temperatures. Most modern engines run at around 210 degrees F. My 100 runs best with a coolant temperature of about 180 degrees F. I haven?t experienced any problems in that temperature range although if it gets anywhere above 190 degrees F it will vapor lock.
________________________________
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Michael Salter via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 8:22 PM
To: Hank Leach <gradea1 at charter.net>
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>; Steven Kingsbury <airtightproductions at me.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Head Gasket

For what it's worth, I always have the block skimmed on 100 engine rebuilds.
To date most if not all seem to have a low area between 2 & 3.
Touch wood, I've yet to encounter head gasket problems or even the very common "seepage" issues in the area of the engine number tag.
Fingers and toes crossed.

M

On Wed., Feb. 23, 2022, 3:02 p.m. Henry G Leach via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Has anyone ever stuck a magnet to a Payen copper gasket? I did-its a steel gasket with a copper coating. There is a real engineering issue with the 2660cc block and I am not sure why it is configured as it is. There may have been a study done on the engine's water flow way back then and some modifications made for cooling. It does not add up or make sense, however.

So, look at this head and the gasket and then the block. Why are the water passages reduced on the jackets shown?  Then too, why is there no passage in one area marked that is actually open for water on the head and gasket? This is one "hot spot" found between 2-3 cylinders when read with a heat gun.

I was tempted to drill out the opening in the block before re-assembling my head, but thought better of it. I would never question engineering technology of BMC. Modern day replacements have that same area blocked. Never-the-less, can anyone explain this concept to me; the reason for this and a 4lb. radiator cap. This engine needs water, lots of it to keep it cool. Why restrict it?  Then too, aluminum has its own set of issues that may/may not improve the cooling capacity of some old, thick cast iron block. Maybe throwing money at it has an effect.  Hank

-----------------------------------------

From: gradea1 at charter.net<mailto:gradea1 at charter.net>
To: "Steven Kingsbury"
Cc: "Healey Mail List"
Sent: Tuesday February 22 2022 12:23:07PM
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two

Steven-that's a real heavy piston at .060 (compression ratio 9:1?) Was there any defect in head prior to assembly? Magnafluxed? There is an outfit Midwest Cylinder Head that can repair that for about $500, or else is on to Denis Welch for about $4K.

I just had my head off and checked-they shaved .003 to get it flat. Fingers crossed-head gasket was not blown, but water in oil. I'm hoping it was water intrusion from rocker studs. Hank


-----------------------------------------

From: "Steven Kingsbury via Healeys"
To: "Healey Mail List"
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday February 22 2022 11:28:21AM
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two

Luckily the pistons weren't frozen, nor the rings in the pistons, but when I turned the head over to inspect, I got the really bad news.

[INBOX530788498d9fa86f504913dab139d4d9ef6]

Oh well. I guess some JB Weld might hold!?  Ha! Damn it Jim.
S
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From ynotink at msn.com  Wed Feb 23 15:17:19 2022
From: ynotink at msn.com (WILLIAM B LAWRENCE)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:17:19 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Three
In-Reply-To: <65223879-29b8-416e-92c2-12d54dc15e2d@me.com>
References: <65223879-29b8-416e-92c2-12d54dc15e2d@me.com>
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As I said, I did try a solid copper gasket sourced from Morty Dunst. It worked well for compression, but still allowed oil to cross over into the coolant. That may have been due to some questionable machine work that was done in an earlier build. They guy who corrected it said the cylinder block looked like a ski jump...
________________________________
From: Steven Kingsbury <airtightproductions at me.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 7:01 PM
To: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink at msn.com>
Cc: Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Three

William,
I think your theory about the overlap is a good one and makes the most sense to me. I have heard from more than one 100 owner who experienced very similar problems with head gaskets. Some repeatedly, so rather than fall into that trap, I think aluminum is in my future.
Thanks all for the comments and suggestions.
Steven

On Feb 23, 2022, at 9:02 AM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink at msn.com> wrote:



I had a bunch of trouble with head gaskets before my last rebuild. It occurred to me that the laminated copper gaskets I was using had an area of overlap in the combustion chamber that exposes the thin copper to erosion by hot combustion gases. My theory is that the copper burns away and exposes the asbestos core which is then gradually burned out until the gasket fails catastrophically. I used a solid copper gasket for a time with good results, but couldn?t get it to seal between the oil and water systems. At the last rebuild I installed the Denis Welch competition gasket and had both surfaces tried and finished. The results have been great.
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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 4:34 PM
To: Healey Mail List <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Three

Let me start with a little history with this email. My engine has just a shade under 3,000 miles on it since rebuild. The head was checked for cracks, none found and was ever so slightly shaved to make sure it was completely flat. The machine shop I use builds race engines and they do really good, reliable work.
Then the block was gone through, new sleeves inserted and bored so to fit my new pistons. Again the top of the block was checked and double checked to make sure it was flat and mated to the head.
When I fired this engine up for the first time after rebuild, she lept to life! No turning it over and over and over. She fired right up. I was quite pleased.
I ran the engine for about twenty minutes at 2,000 RPM, never got above 180 degrees and then took her out on the road. I took care not to over rev, and drove up a long hill in third gear at low RPM to help set the rings.
I did have some problems with the distributor, but that was fixed and at fifty miles I checked the head again for torque. I drove the car more and retorqued the head again at 150 miles, all was fine.
I checked again at 500 miles and again at 1500 miles. All was fine.
Anyway, this history is to let you know I think I did everything I could and did everything overly cautious to break this engine in correctly. And this engine was running great! My car was a joy to drive and loved cruising down the freeway at 80 mph! Seventy was a sweet spot and was a joy to drive.
I'm now thinking of going with the aluminum head thanks to the combined wisdom of this list. Aluminum head with the steel gasket. I've heard nothing but good news about them and I don't want to have that worry/doubt while driving down the road. I am also going to continue down the path of fixing this head as I think it's worth it in the long run.
I want to thank all of those sending in suggestions and tips and cautionary tales and things to look for and all of the views have led me to believe, bite the bullet and spend the money.
Thank you all and I will report back!
Steven Kingsbury
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From healeyguy at aol.com  Wed Feb 23 15:57:55 2022
From: healeyguy at aol.com (healeyguy at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:57:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Three
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StevenSome thoughts.? Please advise if my assumptions are correct or not.?
Looking at your photos I can offer the following: Anybody have a penny?
AssumptionsThe gasket erosion occurred between cylinders 3 and 4.The erosion of the head material matches the gasket erosion shown in the block and gasket.The head has had machine work done adjacent to the area of head erosion (as shown in the photos)?The installed block cylinder sleeves were stock inner and outer diameter.??
Thoughts:The block sleeving and combustion chamber machine work appears to have reduced?the sealing area for the gasket crimp.in the area of the erosion.The erosion would appear to have started in number 4 cylinder.That area has one of the larger water galleries in the 100 block, even though it is somewhat squeezed between cylinders 3 and 4.?The Payden style gaskets have sometimes failed in non-stock engine builds. That said we run 10.25 to one compression in our 100.?
Since you were able to get reasonable drivability?for the first 1500 miles and then added another 1500 miles without reported backfiring through exhaust or intake, It would seem?things held together reasonably?well until the gasket failed and the head was eroded by the high speed exhaust gases.? Mr Lawrence mentioned bad gaskets producing an overlap of the gasket into the bore.?In this case it may not have been the gasket at fault but previous machining on the head and or the size of the sleeves that reduced the gasket crimp..Perry


-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Three

Let me start with a little history with this email. My engine has just a shade under 3,000 miles on it since rebuild. The head was checked for cracks, none found and was ever so slightly shaved to make sure it was completely flat. The machine shop I use builds race engines and they do really good, reliable work.
Then the block was gone through, new sleeves inserted and bored so to fit my new pistons. Again the top of the block was checked and double checked to make sure it was flat and mated to the head.
When I fired this engine up for the first time after rebuild, she lept to life! No turning it over and over and over. She fired right up. I was quite pleased. 
I ran the engine for about twenty minutes at 2,000 RPM, never got above 180 degrees and then took her out on the road. I took care not to over rev, and drove up a long hill in third gear at low RPM to help set the rings.?
I did have some problems with the distributor, but that was fixed and at fifty miles I checked the head again for torque. I drove the car more and retorqued the head again at 150 miles, all was fine.
I checked again at 500 miles and again at 1500 miles. All was fine.?
Anyway, this history is to let you know I think I did everything I could and did everything overly cautious to break this engine in correctly. And this engine was running great! My car was a joy to drive and loved cruising down the freeway at 80 mph! Seventy was a sweet spot and was a joy to drive. 
I'm now thinking of going with the aluminum head thanks to the combined wisdom of this list. Aluminum head with the steel gasket. I've heard nothing but good news about them and I don't want to have that worry/doubt while driving down the road. I am also going to continue down the path of fixing this head as I think it's worth it in the long run.?
I want to thank all of those sending in suggestions and tips and cautionary tales and things to look for and all of the views have led me to believe, bite the bullet and spend the money.
Thank you all and I will report back!
Steven Kingsbury
BN1?
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Wed Feb 23 16:10:24 2022
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 18:10:24 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] 100 fasteners
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Rocker oil supply banjo bolt thread.

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 4:42 PM Bob Haskell <rchaskell at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hank,
>
> I wonder, since it is an "oil line", could the threads be BSB - British
> Standard Brass?  I realize that the screw is steel threading into
> aluminum, not brass.  BSB is a 55 degree thread form.  CEI/BSC is 60
> degree.
>
> Various threads are described on British Tools and Fastener's web site:
> https://britishfasteners.com/threads-bsb
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob Haskell
> Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
>
> On 2/11/22 4:26 PM, gradea1 at charter.net wrote:
> > Thanks to Curt for this accurate and informative article. I totally
> > agree that the early part numbers ie: 1B--- would designate British
> > fasteners, and the later three letter, three number designation
> > aligned the UNF hardware.  That is our best clue to what was used back
> > then.
> >
> > This early engine has stumped me on a number of occasions and I really
> > feel that for that first year anything goes to get the product to the
> > market...a real scramble. I have a notion that this engine was sitting
> > in stock as surplus A-90 leftovers.  The block was factory painted dk.
> > blue. The head on this car was "Gold Seal" rebuilt. The threads I
> > discussed, are most definitely British Standard Cycle (CEI) 26 TPI..
> > Many of the studs are BSF on one end and BSC on the other. Luckily,
> > these parts are available from British Tool & Fasteners, including a
> > full line of BSC hardware. Unfortunately they were out of 3/8 BSC
> > helicoils, so I had to get some from, you guessed it... Amazon. Big $$
> > rather than Pence.
> >
> > Yes, all this is another great unsolved mystery in Austin/BMC history.
> > But, what else would we have to discuss...covid? Regards, Hank
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> >
> > From: "Curtis Arndt"
> > To: "Hank Leach"
> > Cc: "Michael Salter", "Healeys", "Bob Haskell", "Curtis Arndt"
> > Sent: Thursday February 10 2022 6:22:39PM
> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 fasteners
> >
> > Regarding the steel and strength ratings of British and other
> > fasteners, they were either _"Mild"_ Steel (British grades unmarked or
> > A, B, C or K for nuts with "B" being the most common after unmarked)
> > or _"High Tensile"_ steel (all other letter grades D-G [pre 1950] and
> > R-Y [post 1950]).  The confusion appears in calling "_High Tensile
> > Steel_" - "High Speed Steel" as Michael has pointed out.
> >
> > See my attached article...
> >
> > Also with regard to fastener listings in the various parts manuals and
> > other BMC publications, if a fastener is noted with a "part number",
> > it is typically a Whitworth type thread form. When the changeover to
> > "Unified " fasteners occurred in the mid 1950s, all Unified fasteners
> > were noted with a new designation, describing in code the size of the
> > fastener.  I would assume that all Unified fasteners fell under this
> > new coding system... But we know what happens when we assume.
> >
> > BTW, this Unified fastener coding is published in a chart that most of
> > you should be familiar with by now.
> >
> > For those unfamiliar, the "British Standards" define "Whitworth" as
> > all thread forms with a pitch angle of the threads measuring 55?,
> > e.g., BSW, BSF, BSPP, BSPT, BSB, etc... This is in contrast to Unified
> > (UNF/UNC), SAE and BSCy thread forms which have 60? pitch angle of the
> > threads. This is why British Standard Cycle are NOT a Whitworth thread
> > form despite the bolt heads using BSW/BSF spanners, and what is
> > erroneously published in Wikipedia... But I digress.
> >
> > That being said, I would assume that part numbers (11B122 and 11B 298)
> > are both Whitworth fasteners since they are listed as part numbers.
> > Again, we all know what happens when we assume! Since these are
> > specialty fasteners, and not your run of the mill bolts, who knows how
> > BMC designated them? One may be BSF and the other UNF.  Measure twice
> > or have a Helicoil kit on hand!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 4:23 PM Henry G Leach via Healeys
> > <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> >     I don't want to be a smart ass, here like Ralph found in
> >     "Christmas Story", and stick my tongue to a light pole, but the
> >     treads found on my rocker oil feed pipe are *HSS, 26TPI*. Here are
> >     two measurements with a gauge showing the pattern. If it was 3/8
> >     x24 UNF the job would be done.  However, I had to order a special
> >     $65 kit for the HSS Helicoils to repair this block.
> >
> >     Now, here are our 55 degree choices: *UNF 3/8 x 24*, BSW 3/8 x 16,
> >     *BSF 3/8 x 20*, HSS 3/8 x26, BSC (old CEI) 3/8 x 26 as well, or
> >     BSPF 3/8 x 19. Unless someone re-lathed this part it is factory
> >     26TPI for sure-ran a tap and die in both parts.
> >
> >     A note in the Sept. 1956 parts book refers to a service change
> >     shown here. (Vol 25, p.13 engine) The BMC group is trying to
> >     standardize this item.  Accordingly, it appears to have been UNF
> >     (11B122) on the 2.2 Diesel engine and then changed to BSF (11B
> >     298) at engine #225030. This engine I'm doing is from 1953 so who
> >     knows what the correct part is?
> >
> >     In my March 1954 parts book the number for the "valve rocker
> >     bracket with tapped hole" is 1B2110 and  locating pin is 1B2111.
> >     (no mention of TPI)  That changed to 11B298 and 99.(BSF) in 1956.
> >     Of course the later 6-cyl. engines used AEC162-probably unified,
> >     but maybe still BSF.
> >
> >     If someone has the right answer, I will stick my tongue to a light
> >     pole.  Hank
> >
> >     -----------------------------------------
> >
> >     From: "Michael Salter"
> >     To: "Bob Haskell"
> >     Cc: "Bob Spidell", "Hank Leach", "Healeys"
> >     Sent: Wednesday February 9 2022 10:52:51AM
> >     Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 Road draft (vent) pipe fasteners
> >
> >     The fasteners wouldn't be HSS ...that is used for machine tools
> >     like drill bits and lathe tools.
> >
> >     M
> >
> >     On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 1:47 PM Bob Haskell via Healeys
> >     <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> >         Bob,
> >
> >         HSS - high speed steel.
> >         I think the threads are 3/8"-26 BSF (British Standard Fine).
> >
> >         Cheers,
> >
> >         Bob Haskell
> >         Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
> >
>
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Wed Feb 23 16:52:59 2022
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 18:52:59 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket
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Actually,  in my experience the limiting factor in cooling system pressures
was the water pump seal. Carbon seals as used in the 100 are very sensitive
to spring pressure.  Increase the pressure and the carbon block wears away
very quickly. The 4 p.s.i. was probably a compromise to achieve adequate
water pump seal life.

M

On Wed., Feb. 23, 2022, 5:08 p.m. WILLIAM B LAWRENCE, <ynotink at msn.com>
wrote:

> Blocking some passages may have been done to balance the cooling between
> hotter and cooler areas in the block. A 4 psi cap was probably considered
> sufficient at the time because the engine was intended to run at a lower
> temperature. Increasing the system pressure raises the coolant boiling
> point, but also increases stress on hoses, gaskets and seals. I think the
> thermostats used were in the 160 degree F range. Under the conditions that
> were anticipated they probably tried to minimize those stresses for
> warranty reasons. More recent experience says that engines run more
> efficiently at higher temperatures. Most modern engines run at around 210
> degrees F. My 100 runs best with a coolant temperature of about 180 degrees
> F. I haven?t experienced any problems in that temperature range although if
> it gets anywhere above 190 degrees F it will vapor lock.
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Michael
> Salter via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 23, 2022 8:22 PM
> *To:* Hank Leach <gradea1 at charter.net>
> *Cc:* healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>; Steven Kingsbury <
> airtightproductions at me.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Head Gasket
>
> For what it's worth, I always have the block skimmed on 100 engine
> rebuilds.
> To date most if not all seem to have a low area between 2 & 3.
> Touch wood, I've yet to encounter head gasket problems or even the very
> common "seepage" issues in the area of the engine number tag.
> Fingers and toes crossed.
>
> M
>
> On Wed., Feb. 23, 2022, 3:02 p.m. Henry G Leach via Healeys, <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Has anyone ever stuck a magnet to a Payen *copper* gasket? I did-its a
> steel gasket with a copper coating. There is a real engineering issue with
> the 2660cc block and I am not sure why it is configured as it is. There may
> have been a study done on the engine's water flow way back then and some
> modifications made for cooling. It does not add up or make sense, however.
>
> So, look at this head and the gasket and then the block. Why are the water
> passages reduced on the jackets shown?  Then too, why is there no passage
> in one area marked that is actually open for water on the head* and*
> gasket? This is one "hot spot" found between 2-3 cylinders when read with a
> heat gun.
>
> I was tempted to drill out the opening in the block before re-assembling
> my head, but thought better of it. I would never question engineering
> technology of BMC. Modern day replacements have that same area blocked.
> Never-the-less, can anyone explain this concept to me; the reason for this
> and a 4lb. radiator cap. This engine needs water, lots of it to keep it
> cool. Why restrict it?  Then too, aluminum has its own set of issues that
> may/may not improve the cooling capacity of some old, thick cast iron
> block. Maybe throwing money at it has an effect.  Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
> From: gradea1 at charter.net
> To: "Steven Kingsbury"
> Cc: "Healey Mail List"
> Sent: Tuesday February 22 2022 12:23:07PM
> Subject: RE: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two
>
> Steven-that's a real heavy piston at .060 (compression ratio 9:1?) Was
> there any defect in head prior to assembly? Magnafluxed? There is an outfit
> Midwest Cylinder Head that can repair that for about $500, or else is on to
> Denis Welch for about $4K.
>
> I just had my head off and checked-they shaved .003 to get it flat.
> Fingers crossed-head gasket was not blown, but water in oil. I'm hoping it
> was water intrusion from rocker studs. Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
> From: "Steven Kingsbury via Healeys"
> To: "Healey Mail List"
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday February 22 2022 11:28:21AM
> Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two
>
> Luckily the pistons weren't frozen, nor the rings in the pistons, but when
> I turned the head over to inspect, I got the really bad news.
>
> [image: INBOX530788498d9fa86f504913dab139d4d9ef6]
>
> Oh well. I guess some JB Weld might hold!?  Ha! Damn it Jim.
> S
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From alfuller194 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 23 17:17:32 2022
From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 19:17:32 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Window winder
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Don said:

Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have a few Healey BJ8 friends that I?m sure will want me to preform this operation on there hard to wind up widows. 

                Thanks as always, Don 67 BJ8 

As long as you are volunteering ? please do come over and work on my windows!! ? 

 

----------------

All the best,

 

Al Fuller

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Don via Healeys
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 8:23 AM
To: Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com>
Cc: healey list <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Window winder

 

The job went good . After spraying brake cleaner into places that can only be reached with the window winder removed. Then a light spray of WD 40 . The window goes up and down like new. My only problem was once I unscrewed the winder , it is very hard to find the correct angle to move it around to get it out from behind the inner door brace that it and the door opening mechanism mounts to . Does anybody have a method to remove this from behind brace ? I ended up sliding it up as far as I could as the door has a little more depth as the outer door skin contour bulges out . Then pulling that brace out a little I was able to get it out , then go through it again to reinstall it ? . Any thoughts would be appreciated as I have a few Healey BJ8 friends that I?m sure will want me to preform this operation on there hard to wind up widows. 

    Thanks as always, Don 67 BJ8 

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On Feb 14, 2022, at 10:59 PM, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com <mailto:healey.nut at gmail.com> > wrote:

?

Don -

 

You have to check the track inside the rear of the door.  for whatever reason these are often damaged and bind to the nylon runner.  i fixed mine and now the windows work like a dream.  You can only get at them by removing the door panel.

 

Best,

 

alan

 

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 2:17 AM Don via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Has anyone had any experience with very hard to wind up and down the windows on a BJ-8 . The track are not binding, it appears to be the cranking mechanism that?s very hard to work . Window winder assembly. It?s not cheap $240 with moss. Yes next step is to remove the window and then work the window crank . But we got a show this weekend so that?s next weeks job .
         Don.  BJ8 

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From healey.nut at gmail.com  Wed Feb 23 17:20:53 2022
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 08:20:53 +0800
Subject: [Healeys] 100 fasteners
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Hi Michael -

I think he is talking about the threads in the head that the little feed
nipple for the pipe screws to.

Cheers,

Alan

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 7:12 AM, Michael Salter via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Rocker oil supply banjo bolt thread.
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 4:42 PM Bob Haskell <rchaskell at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hank,
>>
>> I wonder, since it is an "oil line", could the threads be BSB - British
>> Standard Brass?  I realize that the screw is steel threading into
>> aluminum, not brass.  BSB is a 55 degree thread form.  CEI/BSC is 60
>> degree.
>>
>> Various threads are described on British Tools and Fastener's web site:
>> https://britishfasteners.com/threads-bsb
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bob Haskell
>> Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
>>
>> On 2/11/22 4:26 PM, gradea1 at charter.net wrote:
>> > Thanks to Curt for this accurate and informative article. I totally
>> > agree that the early part numbers ie: 1B--- would designate British
>> > fasteners, and the later three letter, three number designation
>> > aligned the UNF hardware.  That is our best clue to what was used back
>> > then.
>> >
>> > This early engine has stumped me on a number of occasions and I really
>> > feel that for that first year anything goes to get the product to the
>> > market...a real scramble. I have a notion that this engine was sitting
>> > in stock as surplus A-90 leftovers.  The block was factory painted dk.
>> > blue. The head on this car was "Gold Seal" rebuilt. The threads I
>> > discussed, are most definitely British Standard Cycle (CEI) 26 TPI..
>> > Many of the studs are BSF on one end and BSC on the other. Luckily,
>> > these parts are available from British Tool & Fasteners, including a
>> > full line of BSC hardware. Unfortunately they were out of 3/8 BSC
>> > helicoils, so I had to get some from, you guessed it... Amazon. Big $$
>> > rather than Pence.
>> >
>> > Yes, all this is another great unsolved mystery in Austin/BMC history.
>> > But, what else would we have to discuss...covid? Regards, Hank
>> >
>> > -----------------------------------------
>> >
>> > From: "Curtis Arndt"
>> > To: "Hank Leach"
>> > Cc: "Michael Salter", "Healeys", "Bob Haskell", "Curtis Arndt"
>> > Sent: Thursday February 10 2022 6:22:39PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 fasteners
>> >
>> > Regarding the steel and strength ratings of British and other
>> > fasteners, they were either _"Mild"_ Steel (British grades unmarked or
>> > A, B, C or K for nuts with "B" being the most common after unmarked)
>> > or _"High Tensile"_ steel (all other letter grades D-G [pre 1950] and
>> > R-Y [post 1950]).  The confusion appears in calling "_High Tensile
>> > Steel_" - "High Speed Steel" as Michael has pointed out.
>> >
>> > See my attached article...
>> >
>> > Also with regard to fastener listings in the various parts manuals and
>> > other BMC publications, if a fastener is noted with a "part number",
>> > it is typically a Whitworth type thread form. When the changeover to
>> > "Unified " fasteners occurred in the mid 1950s, all Unified fasteners
>> > were noted with a new designation, describing in code the size of the
>> > fastener.  I would assume that all Unified fasteners fell under this
>> > new coding system... But we know what happens when we assume.
>> >
>> > BTW, this Unified fastener coding is published in a chart that most of
>> > you should be familiar with by now.
>> >
>> > For those unfamiliar, the "British Standards" define "Whitworth" as
>> > all thread forms with a pitch angle of the threads measuring 55?,
>> > e.g., BSW, BSF, BSPP, BSPT, BSB, etc... This is in contrast to Unified
>> > (UNF/UNC), SAE and BSCy thread forms which have 60? pitch angle of the
>> > threads. This is why British Standard Cycle are NOT a Whitworth thread
>> > form despite the bolt heads using BSW/BSF spanners, and what is
>> > erroneously published in Wikipedia... But I digress.
>> >
>> > That being said, I would assume that part numbers (11B122 and 11B 298)
>> > are both Whitworth fasteners since they are listed as part numbers.
>> > Again, we all know what happens when we assume! Since these are
>> > specialty fasteners, and not your run of the mill bolts, who knows how
>> > BMC designated them? One may be BSF and the other UNF.  Measure twice
>> > or have a Helicoil kit on hand!
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Curt
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 4:23 PM Henry G Leach via Healeys
>> > <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >     I don't want to be a smart ass, here like Ralph found in
>> >     "Christmas Story", and stick my tongue to a light pole, but the
>> >     treads found on my rocker oil feed pipe are *HSS, 26TPI*. Here are
>> >     two measurements with a gauge showing the pattern. If it was 3/8
>> >     x24 UNF the job would be done.  However, I had to order a special
>> >     $65 kit for the HSS Helicoils to repair this block.
>> >
>> >     Now, here are our 55 degree choices: *UNF 3/8 x 24*, BSW 3/8 x 16,
>> >     *BSF 3/8 x 20*, HSS 3/8 x26, BSC (old CEI) 3/8 x 26 as well, or
>> >     BSPF 3/8 x 19. Unless someone re-lathed this part it is factory
>> >     26TPI for sure-ran a tap and die in both parts.
>> >
>> >     A note in the Sept. 1956 parts book refers to a service change
>> >     shown here. (Vol 25, p.13 engine) The BMC group is trying to
>> >     standardize this item.  Accordingly, it appears to have been UNF
>> >     (11B122) on the 2.2 Diesel engine and then changed to BSF (11B
>> >     298) at engine #225030. This engine I'm doing is from 1953 so who
>> >     knows what the correct part is?
>> >
>> >     In my March 1954 parts book the number for the "valve rocker
>> >     bracket with tapped hole" is 1B2110 and  locating pin is 1B2111.
>> >     (no mention of TPI)  That changed to 11B298 and 99.(BSF) in 1956.
>> >     Of course the later 6-cyl. engines used AEC162-probably unified,
>> >     but maybe still BSF.
>> >
>> >     If someone has the right answer, I will stick my tongue to a light
>> >     pole.  Hank
>> >
>> >     -----------------------------------------
>> >
>> >     From: "Michael Salter"
>> >     To: "Bob Haskell"
>> >     Cc: "Bob Spidell", "Hank Leach", "Healeys"
>> >     Sent: Wednesday February 9 2022 10:52:51AM
>> >     Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 Road draft (vent) pipe fasteners
>> >
>> >     The fasteners wouldn't be HSS ...that is used for machine tools
>> >     like drill bits and lathe tools.
>> >
>> >     M
>> >
>> >     On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 1:47 PM Bob Haskell via Healeys
>> >     <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >         Bob,
>> >
>> >         HSS - high speed steel.
>> >         I think the threads are 3/8"-26 BSF (British Standard Fine).
>> >
>> >         Cheers,
>> >
>> >         Bob Haskell
>> >         Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
>> >
>>
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From healey.nut at gmail.com  Wed Feb 23 17:30:11 2022
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 08:30:11 +0800
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket
In-Reply-To: <eaf9c8b129062ae6c14d58dcb1e5f338df44cac5@webmail>
References: <eaf9c8b129062ae6c14d58dcb1e5f338df44cac5@webmail>
Message-ID: <CAFBXTkK=nMNsuqznw9i2EiKEabd=F=ufu7d85GFfcrY_fur6rA@mail.gmail.com>

Henry -

All water passages in Austin motors are done like this.  This is because
the water pump is on the front of the motor, and the water outlet is in the
front of the motor, so the jacket forces water to the back on the block
then back to the front on the head, but also needs some cool water in the
front too.  it?s meant to make sure the water is the same temp whether it?s
in the front or the back of the engine.  Don?t mess with the passages or
you?ll end up with hot spots on the motor.

Best,

Alan

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 4:03 AM, Henry G Leach via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Has anyone ever stuck a magnet to a Payen *copper* gasket? I did-its a
> steel gasket with a copper coating. There is a real engineering issue with
> the 2660cc block and I am not sure why it is configured as it is. There may
> have been a study done on the engine's water flow way back then and some
> modifications made for cooling. It does not add up or make sense, however.
>
> So, look at this head and the gasket and then the block. Why are the water
> passages reduced on the jackets shown?  Then too, why is there no passage
> in one area marked that is actually open for water on the head* and*
> gasket? This is one "hot spot" found between 2-3 cylinders when read with a
> heat gun.
>
> I was tempted to drill out the opening in the block before re-assembling
> my head, but thought better of it. I would never question engineering
> technology of BMC. Modern day replacements have that same area blocked.
> Never-the-less, can anyone explain this concept to me; the reason for this
> and a 4lb. radiator cap. This engine needs water, lots of it to keep it
> cool. Why restrict it?  Then too, aluminum has its own set of issues that
> may/may not improve the cooling capacity of some old, thick cast iron
> block. Maybe throwing money at it has an effect.  Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
> From: gradea1 at charter.net
> To: "Steven Kingsbury"
> Cc: "Healey Mail List"
> Sent: Tuesday February 22 2022 12:23:07PM
> Subject: RE: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two
>
> Steven-that's a real heavy piston at .060 (compression ratio 9:1?) Was
> there any defect in head prior to assembly? Magnafluxed? There is an outfit
> Midwest Cylinder Head that can repair that for about $500, or else is on to
> Denis Welch for about $4K.
>
> I just had my head off and checked-they shaved .003 to get it flat.
> Fingers crossed-head gasket was not blown, but water in oil. I'm hoping it
> was water intrusion from rocker studs. Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
> From: "Steven Kingsbury via Healeys"
> To: "Healey Mail List"
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday February 22 2022 11:28:21AM
> Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two
>
> Luckily the pistons weren't frozen, nor the rings in the pistons, but when
> I turned the head over to inspect, I got the really bad news.
>
> [image: INBOX530788498d9fa86f504913dab139d4d9ef6]
>
> Oh well. I guess some JB Weld might hold!?  Ha! Damn it Jim.
> S
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From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 23 18:00:33 2022
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 17:00:33 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Hole Location
Message-ID: <CAL4ZEOPeOZwzLAvpw0prWPfQiix+E5Hbg-4xdGTs2914AEBz4A@mail.gmail.com>

Does someone have a BN1/2 body with no interior?  I need the location for
the six holes (three per side) to mount the top bows.  I asked for this
several months ago, but most thought I was asking about location for
fastener hardware to install the top to the frame.  I have no idea why
these six holes behind the "B" pillar were filled in during body
restoration.  I sent a request earlier with two pictures of the areas in
question, but for some reason it did not get through.
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From gradea1 at charter.net  Wed Feb 23 18:21:51 2022
From: gradea1 at charter.net (gradea1 at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 01:21:51 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Hole Location
Message-ID: <dff283e84a6e7366260e7a64e705416d3a726434@webmail>

Mike-I may have sent you these photos. Here is the quarter location.
What you need to find is an old backing piece (like this) to help
locate. Also, look in from the fender well with a good light and see
if you can find the holes with filler in them. Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: "Michael MacLean via
Healeys" 
To: "Ahealey help"
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday February 23 2022 5:01:40PM
Subject: [Healeys] Hole Location

 Does someone have a BN1/2 body with no interior? I need the location
for the six holes (three per side) to mount the top bows. I asked for
this several months ago, but most thought I was asking about location
for fastener hardware to install the top to the frame. I have no idea
why these six holes behind the "B" pillar were filled in during body
restoration. I sent a request earlier with two pictures of the areas
in question, but for some reason it did not get through. Mike MacLean 

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From vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 23 18:31:49 2022
From: vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com (Jean Caron)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 01:31:49 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Hole Location
In-Reply-To: <dff283e84a6e7366260e7a64e705416d3a726434@webmail>
References: <dff283e84a6e7366260e7a64e705416d3a726434@webmail>
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I have brand new pieces and drilled the holes in them already and located them wher the old ones were I will take some measurements and send it to you as well.

Jean

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Henry G Leach via Healeys<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: February 23, 2022 7:25 PM
To: 'Michael MacLean'<mailto:springer.mike51 at gmail.com>; 'healeys at autox.team.net'<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Hole Location

Mike-I may have sent you these photos. Here is the quarter location. What you need to find is an old backing piece (like this) to help locate.  Also, look in from the fender well with a good light and see if you can find the holes with filler in them. Hank

-----------------------------------------
From: "Michael MacLean via Healeys"
To: "Ahealey help"
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday February 23 2022 5:01:40PM
Subject: [Healeys] Hole Location
Does someone have a BN1/2 body with no interior?  I need the location for the six holes (three per side) to mount the top bows.  I asked for this several months ago, but most thought I was asking about location for fastener hardware to install the top to the frame.  I have no idea why these six holes behind the "B" pillar were filled in during body restoration.  I sent a request earlier with two pictures of the areas in question, but for some reason it did not get through.
Mike MacLean

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From airtightproductions at me.com  Wed Feb 23 18:48:56 2022
From: airtightproductions at me.com (Steven Kingsbury)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 01:48:56 -0000
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Three
Message-ID: <18fb31f3-c915-482b-9884-3ae17dc59721@me.com>

Perry,I hear what you're saying and you may have a point. I will check the width of the gap between 3 and 4 and also between 1 and 2. At least that will give me something to check and determine if there are differences there. I did not measure if there was any overlap when I put the head gasket in place and then the head. Again, I will check that with a new head gasket.I received word today that my head is making its way to a shop capable of welding cast iron. If I use it or not, I am going to repair it if it can be repaired. The shop it is going to is aware of cracking problems in this style head and will check for said cracks before and after the "fix".?Right now, it's a hurry up and wait scenario, but I am bound and determined to get this machine back on the road and motoring under its own power. As to the sizes of the sleeves and the "previous" head work, not much I can do about that now other than be extremely careful as to the size of the next head gasket, or head, or all of the above.As for the fault? I can only guess, and my guess leads me to the copper head gasket. I do not believe it was a Payen, it was the one offered in the Moss catalogue. Maker? No idea. The previous owner was using a steel gasket and I had no idea how many times it had been used, so I opted for the copper as I was advised the newer supplies of copper gaskets were of better quality. If I had the ability to go back in time with the knowledge I have now, I would have opted to install a new steel head gasket. Live and learn, no crying over spilled milk or coolant. Just pay better attention.Again, thank you all for your thoughts and suggestions.Steven K.?On Feb 23, 2022, at 2:58 PM, healeyguy at aol.com wrote:Steven  Some thoughts.? Please advise if my assumptions are correct or not.?Looking at your photos I can offer the following: Anybody have a penny?AssumptionsThe gasket erosion occurred between cylinders 3 and 4.The erosion of the head material matches the gasket erosion shown in the block and gasket.The head has had machine work done adjacent to the area of head erosion (as shown in the photos)?The installed block cylinder sleeves were stock inner and outer diameter.??Thoughts:The block sleeving and combustion chamber machine work appears to have reduced?the sealing area for the gasket crimp.in the area of the erosion.The erosion would appear to have started in number 4 cylinder.That area has one of the larger water galleries in the 100 block, even though it is somewhat squeezed between cylinders 3 and 4.?The Payden style gaskets have sometimes failed in non-stock engine builds. That said we run 10.25 to one compression in our 100.?Since you were able to get reasonable drivability?for the first 1500 miles and then added another 1500 miles without reported backfiring through exhaust or intake, It would seem?things held together reasonably?well until the gasket failed and the head was eroded by the high speed exhaust gases.? Mr Lawrence mentioned bad gaskets producing an overlap of the gasket into the bore.?In this case it may not have been the gasket at fault but previous machining on the head and or the size of the sleeves that reduced the gasket crimp..Perry-----Original Message----- From: Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Three   Let me start with a little history with this email. My engine has just a shade under 3,000 miles on it since rebuild. The head was checked for cracks, none found and was ever so slightly shaved to make sure it was completely flat. The machine shop I use builds race engines and they do really good, reliable work.Then the block was gone through, new sleeves inserted and bored so to fit my new pistons. Again the top of the block was checked and double checked to make sure it was flat and mated to the head.When I fired this engine up for the first time after rebuild, she lept to life! No turning it over and over and over. She fired right up. I was quite pleased. I ran the engine for about twenty minutes at 2,000 RPM, never got above 180 degrees and then took her out on the road. I took care not to over rev, and drove up a long hill in third gear at low RPM to help set the rings.?I did have some problems with the distributor, but that was fixed and at fifty miles I checked the head again for torque. I drove the car more and retorqued the head again at 150 miles, all was fine.I checked again at 500 miles and again at 1500 miles. All was fine.?Anyway, this history is to let you know I think I did everything I could and did everything overly cautious to break this engine in correctly. And this engine was running great! My car was a joy to drive and loved cruising down the freeway at 80 mph! Seventy was a sweet spot and was a joy to drive. I'm now thinking of going with the aluminum head thanks to the combined wisdom of this list. Aluminum head with the steel gasket. I've heard nothing but good news about them and I don't want to have that worry/doubt while driving down the road. I am also going to continue down the path of fixing this head as I think it's worth it in the long run.?I want to thank all of those sending in suggestions and tips and cautionary tales and things to look for and all of the views have led me to believe, bite the bullet and spend the money.Thank you all and I will report back!Steven KingsburyBN1?_______________________________________________m 
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From ah100tech at gmail.com  Thu Feb 24 02:46:43 2022
From: ah100tech at gmail.com (john harper)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 09:46:43 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket
In-Reply-To: <CAFBXTkK=nMNsuqznw9i2EiKEabd=F=ufu7d85GFfcrY_fur6rA@mail.gmail.com>
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All

The pressure on the water pump is defined by the radiator cap. 7 psi on the
100.

Best regards

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 00:31, Alan Seigrist via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Henry -
>
> All water passages in Austin motors are done like this.  This is because
> the water pump is on the front of the motor, and the water outlet is in the
> front of the motor, so the jacket forces water to the back on the block
> then back to the front on the head, but also needs some cool water in the
> front too.  it?s meant to make sure the water is the same temp whether it?s
> in the front or the back of the engine.  Don?t mess with the passages or
> you?ll end up with hot spots on the motor.
>
> Best,
>
> Alan
>
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 4:03 AM, Henry G Leach via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone ever stuck a magnet to a Payen *copper* gasket? I did-its a
>> steel gasket with a copper coating. There is a real engineering issue with
>> the 2660cc block and I am not sure why it is configured as it is. There may
>> have been a study done on the engine's water flow way back then and some
>> modifications made for cooling. It does not add up or make sense, however.
>>
>> So, look at this head and the gasket and then the block. Why are the
>> water passages reduced on the jackets shown?  Then too, why is there no
>> passage in one area marked that is actually open for water on the head*
>> and* gasket? This is one "hot spot" found between 2-3 cylinders when
>> read with a heat gun.
>>
>> I was tempted to drill out the opening in the block before re-assembling
>> my head, but thought better of it. I would never question engineering
>> technology of BMC. Modern day replacements have that same area blocked.
>> Never-the-less, can anyone explain this concept to me; the reason for this
>> and a 4lb. radiator cap. This engine needs water, lots of it to keep it
>> cool. Why restrict it?  Then too, aluminum has its own set of issues that
>> may/may not improve the cooling capacity of some old, thick cast iron
>> block. Maybe throwing money at it has an effect.  Hank
>>
>> -----------------------------------------
>> From: gradea1 at charter.net
>> To: "Steven Kingsbury"
>> Cc: "Healey Mail List"
>> Sent: Tuesday February 22 2022 12:23:07PM
>> Subject: RE: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two
>>
>> Steven-that's a real heavy piston at .060 (compression ratio 9:1?) Was
>> there any defect in head prior to assembly? Magnafluxed? There is an outfit
>> Midwest Cylinder Head that can repair that for about $500, or else is on to
>> Denis Welch for about $4K.
>>
>> I just had my head off and checked-they shaved .003 to get it flat.
>> Fingers crossed-head gasket was not blown, but water in oil. I'm hoping it
>> was water intrusion from rocker studs. Hank
>>
>> -----------------------------------------
>> From: "Steven Kingsbury via Healeys"
>> To: "Healey Mail List"
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Tuesday February 22 2022 11:28:21AM
>> Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two
>>
>> Luckily the pistons weren't frozen, nor the rings in the pistons, but
>> when I turned the head over to inspect, I got the really bad news.
>>
>> [image: INBOX530788498d9fa86f504913dab139d4d9ef6]
>>
>> Oh well. I guess some JB Weld might hold!?  Ha! Damn it Jim.
>> S
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Thu Feb 24 05:41:42 2022
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 07:41:42 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket
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My bad ... as John has pointed out ...
"7 psi on the 100."
not 4 as I wrote above.


M.

On Thu., Feb. 24, 2022, 4:47 a.m. john harper via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> All
>
> The pressure on the water pump is defined by the radiator cap. 7 psi on
> the 100.
>
> Best regards
>
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 00:31, Alan Seigrist via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Henry -
>>
>> All water passages in Austin motors are done like this.  This is because
>> the water pump is on the front of the motor, and the water outlet is in the
>> front of the motor, so the jacket forces water to the back on the block
>> then back to the front on the head, but also needs some cool water in the
>> front too.  it?s meant to make sure the water is the same temp whether it?s
>> in the front or the back of the engine.  Don?t mess with the passages or
>> you?ll end up with hot spots on the motor.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 4:03 AM, Henry G Leach via Healeys <
>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone ever stuck a magnet to a Payen *copper* gasket? I did-its a
>>> steel gasket with a copper coating. There is a real engineering issue with
>>> the 2660cc block and I am not sure why it is configured as it is. There may
>>> have been a study done on the engine's water flow way back then and some
>>> modifications made for cooling. It does not add up or make sense, however.
>>>
>>> So, look at this head and the gasket and then the block. Why are the
>>> water passages reduced on the jackets shown?  Then too, why is there no
>>> passage in one area marked that is actually open for water on the head*
>>> and* gasket? This is one "hot spot" found between 2-3 cylinders when
>>> read with a heat gun.
>>>
>>> I was tempted to drill out the opening in the block before re-assembling
>>> my head, but thought better of it. I would never question engineering
>>> technology of BMC. Modern day replacements have that same area blocked.
>>> Never-the-less, can anyone explain this concept to me; the reason for this
>>> and a 4lb. radiator cap. This engine needs water, lots of it to keep it
>>> cool. Why restrict it?  Then too, aluminum has its own set of issues that
>>> may/may not improve the cooling capacity of some old, thick cast iron
>>> block. Maybe throwing money at it has an effect.  Hank
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------
>>> From: gradea1 at charter.net
>>> To: "Steven Kingsbury"
>>> Cc: "Healey Mail List"
>>> Sent: Tuesday February 22 2022 12:23:07PM
>>> Subject: RE: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two
>>>
>>> Steven-that's a real heavy piston at .060 (compression ratio 9:1?) Was
>>> there any defect in head prior to assembly? Magnafluxed? There is an outfit
>>> Midwest Cylinder Head that can repair that for about $500, or else is on to
>>> Denis Welch for about $4K.
>>>
>>> I just had my head off and checked-they shaved .003 to get it flat.
>>> Fingers crossed-head gasket was not blown, but water in oil. I'm hoping it
>>> was water intrusion from rocker studs. Hank
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------
>>> From: "Steven Kingsbury via Healeys"
>>> To: "Healey Mail List"
>>> Cc:
>>> Sent: Tuesday February 22 2022 11:28:21AM
>>> Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two
>>>
>>> Luckily the pistons weren't frozen, nor the rings in the pistons, but
>>> when I turned the head over to inspect, I got the really bad news.
>>>
>>> [image: INBOX530788498d9fa86f504913dab139d4d9ef6]
>>>
>>> Oh well. I guess some JB Weld might hold!?  Ha! Damn it Jim.
>>> S
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From healey.nut at gmail.com  Thu Feb 24 06:46:11 2022
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:46:11 +0800
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket
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My A90 is 0 PSI .... still seems to run as cool as the 100 !


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From ah100tech at gmail.com  Thu Feb 24 08:01:54 2022
From: ah100tech at gmail.com (john harper)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 15:01:54 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket
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Alan

Many A90 Atlantics suffered overheating. The club developed a fairly simple
adapter that screwed in place using the thread of the normal cap on the
outside to which a shape of a 7 psi AH100 pressurized cap fitting was
added. It improved the engine cooling in many of the cars that were prone
to boiling over.

Best regards

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 13:47, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com> wrote:

> My A90 is 0 PSI .... still seems to run as cool as the 100 !
>
>
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Thu Feb 24 08:34:48 2022
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 07:34:48 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] [OT] Final Parking Spot
Message-ID: <228c42d1-02cd-4df9-1fcf-1ce4745e6224@comcast.net>

I bet we've all thought about it ...

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/24/business/car-burials-funerals.html

From bspidell at comcast.net  Thu Feb 24 08:37:28 2022
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 07:37:28 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket
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I was about to jump in and say "But, but, but .... pressure only raises 
the boiling point but, for once, I did some 'research' first:'

"Pressure in a cooling system is vital for keeping water in contact with 
the metal surfaces of the cylinder heads and block."

https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/understanding-the-cooling-system-cool-under-pressure/


On 2/24/2022 7:01 AM, john harper via Healeys wrote:
> Alan
>
> Many A90 Atlantics suffered overheating. The club developed a fairly 
> simple adapter that screwed in place using the thread?of the normal 
> cap on the outside to which a shape of a 7 psi AH100 pressurized?cap 
> fitting was added. It improved the engine cooling in many of the cars 
> that were prone to boiling over.
>
> Best regards
>


From healey.nut at gmail.com  Thu Feb 24 08:42:01 2022
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 23:42:01 +0800
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket
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Hi John -

I made sure the block was clean and the radiator rodded... Have no problems
in hot Hong Kong actually.  The trick is to wrap the downpipe  which seems
to wick away the heat significantly.

Cheers,

alan

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 11:02 PM john harper <ah100tech at gmail.com> wrote:

> Alan
>
> Many A90 Atlantics suffered overheating. The club developed a fairly
> simple adapter that screwed in place using the thread of the normal cap on
> the outside to which a shape of a 7 psi AH100 pressurized cap fitting was
> added. It improved the engine cooling in many of the cars that were prone
> to boiling over.
>
> Best regards
>
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 13:47, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My A90 is 0 PSI .... still seems to run as cool as the 100 !
>>
>>
>>>>
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Thu Feb 24 09:30:00 2022
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 11:30:00 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket
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Interesting article Bob but IMHO their statement:
"Pressure in a cooling system is vital for keeping water in contact with the
metal surfaces of the cylinder heads and block."
is something of an over simplification.
The reality is that any "boiling " of the coolant produces a "bubble" of
gaseous coolant, there is no air, as such, involved.
Their statement :
"Pressure keeps the air compressed and maintains the water-to-metal
contact. "
suggests that the cooling system contains air; it shouldn't contain any
air, other perhaps the very small quantity disolved in the coolant.
Pressurizing the cooling system raises the boiling point. Raising the
boiling point means that the temperature of the engine surfaces where
gaseous coolant will be generated will also  need to be higher for boiling
to occur.
As the rate of heat radiation from the cooling surfaces is proportional to
the 4th power of the absolute temperature there is also a considerable
increase in the amount of energy that can be dissipated by the radiator.
These things together make pressuring the cooling system even to only 7
p.s.i. very advantageous.
As I mentioned earlier the problem with the 100 insofar as cooling system
pressure is concerned is the carbon seal in the water pump and perhaps the
design of the radiator tanks.

M



On Thu., Feb. 24, 2022, 10:42 a.m. Bob Spidell, <bspidell at comcast.net>
wrote:

> I was about to jump in and say "But, but, but .... pressure only raises
> the boiling point but, for once, I did some 'research' first:'
>
> "Pressure in a cooling system is vital for keeping water in contact with
> the metal surfaces of the cylinder heads and block."
>
>
> https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/understanding-the-cooling-system-cool-under-pressure/
>
>
> On 2/24/2022 7:01 AM, john harper via Healeys wrote:
> > Alan
> >
> > Many A90 Atlantics suffered overheating. The club developed a fairly
> > simple adapter that screwed in place using the thread of the normal
> > cap on the outside to which a shape of a 7 psi AH100 pressurized cap
> > fitting was added. It improved the engine cooling in many of the cars
> > that were prone to boiling over.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
>
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Thu Feb 24 09:44:30 2022
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 08:44:30 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket
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Which, of course, is the theory of the various 'water wetter' products. 
I tried (the original, I think) Water Wetter from Redline and didn't 
notice a significant reduction in coolant temp; but, I've got a bottle 
of the Dynolite version on the shelf I'll throw in the next time I 
change out coolant. As they say: "Hope springs eternal."


On 2/24/2022 8:30 AM, Michael Salter wrote:
> Interesting article Bob but IMHO their statement:
> "Pressure in a cooling system is vital for keeping water in contact 
> with the metal surfaces of the cylinder heads and block."
> is something of an over simplification.
> The reality is that any "boiling " of the coolant produces a "bubble" 
> of gaseous coolant, there is no air, as such, involved.
> Their statement :
> "Pressure keeps the air compressed and maintains the water-to-metal 
> contact. "
> suggests that the cooling system contains air; it shouldn't contain 
> any air, other perhaps the very small quantity disolved in the coolant.
> Pressurizing the cooling system raises the boiling point. Raising the 
> boiling point means that the temperature of the engine surfaces where 
> gaseous coolant will be generated will also? need to be higher for 
> boiling to occur.
> As the rate of heat radiation from the cooling surfaces is 
> proportional to the 4th power of the absolute temperature there is 
> also a considerable increase in the amount of energy that can be 
> dissipated by the radiator.
> These things together make pressuring the cooling system even to only 
> 7 p.s.i. very advantageous.
> As I mentioned earlier the problem with the 100 insofar as cooling 
> system pressure is concerned is the carbon seal in the water pump and 
> perhaps the design of the radiator tanks.
>
> M
>
>
>
> On Thu., Feb. 24, 2022, 10:42 a.m. Bob Spidell, <bspidell at comcast.net> 
> wrote:
>
>     I was about to jump in and say "But, but, but .... pressure only
>     raises
>     the boiling point but, for once, I did some 'research' first:'
>
>     "Pressure in a cooling system is vital for keeping water in
>     contact with
>     the metal surfaces of the cylinder heads and block."
>
>     https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/understanding-the-cooling-system-cool-under-pressure/
>
>
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From warthodson at aol.com  Thu Feb 24 10:34:47 2022
From: warthodson at aol.com (warthodson at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 17:34:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket
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Bob,If Dynolite does not work, I would try 20W50 motor oil. I have read that it is an excellent heat transfer agent & should also be good for the water pump bearings. Also, any leaks in the head gasket might go undetected!
Your welcome,Gary Hodson

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Feb 24, 2022 10:44 am
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Head Gasket

 Which, of course, is the theory of the various 'water wetter' products. I tried (the original, I think) Water Wetter from Redline and didn't notice a significant reduction in coolant temp; but, I've got a bottle of the Dynolite version on the shelf I'll throw in the next time I change out coolant. As they say: "Hope springs eternal."
 
 
 On 2/24/2022 8:30 AM, Michael Salter wrote:
  
 
 Interesting article Bob but IMHO their statement:? "Pressure in a cooling system is vital for keeping water in contact with the metal surfaces of the cylinder heads and block."
  is something of an over simplification.?
  The reality is that any "boiling " of the coolant produces a "bubble" of gaseous coolant, there is no air, as such, involved.? Their statement : "Pressure keeps the air compressed and maintains the water-to-metal contact. "
  suggests that the cooling system contains air; it shouldn't contain any air, other perhaps the very small quantity disolved in the coolant. Pressurizing the cooling system raises the boiling point. Raising the boiling point means that the temperature of the engine surfaces where gaseous coolant will be generated will also? need to be higher for boiling to occur. As the rate of heat radiation from the cooling surfaces is proportional to the 4th power of the absolute temperature there is also a considerable increase in the amount of energy that can be dissipated by the radiator.? These things together make pressuring the cooling system even to only 7 p.s.i. very advantageous.? As I mentioned earlier the problem with the 100 insofar as cooling system pressure is concerned is the carbon seal in the water pump and perhaps the design of the radiator tanks. 
  M 
  
   
  
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Thu Feb 24 10:55:45 2022
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 12:55:45 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket
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Oh no ... not engine oil again ...?

On Thu., Feb. 24, 2022, 12:35 p.m. warthodson--- via Healeys, <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Bob,
> If Dynolite does not work, I would try 20W50 motor oil. I have read that
> it is an excellent heat transfer agent & should also be good for the water
> pump bearings. Also, any leaks in the head gasket might go undetected!
> Your welcome,
> Gary Hodson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
> To: healeys at autox.team.net
> Sent: Thu, Feb 24, 2022 10:44 am
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Head Gasket
>
> Which, of course, is the theory of the various 'water wetter' products. I
> tried (the original, I think) Water Wetter from Redline and didn't notice a
> significant reduction in coolant temp; but, I've got a bottle of the
> Dynolite version on the shelf I'll throw in the next time I change out
> coolant. As they say: "Hope springs eternal."
>
>
> On 2/24/2022 8:30 AM, Michael Salter wrote:
>
> Interesting article Bob but IMHO their statement:
> "Pressure in a cooling system is vital for keeping water in contact with the
> metal surfaces of the cylinder heads and block."
> is something of an over simplification.
> The reality is that any "boiling " of the coolant produces a "bubble" of
> gaseous coolant, there is no air, as such, involved.
> Their statement :
> "Pressure keeps the air compressed and maintains the water-to-metal
> contact. "
> suggests that the cooling system contains air; it shouldn't contain any
> air, other perhaps the very small quantity disolved in the coolant.
> Pressurizing the cooling system raises the boiling point. Raising the
> boiling point means that the temperature of the engine surfaces where
> gaseous coolant will be generated will also  need to be higher for boiling
> to occur.
> As the rate of heat radiation from the cooling surfaces is proportional to
> the 4th power of the absolute temperature there is also a considerable
> increase in the amount of energy that can be dissipated by the radiator.
> These things together make pressuring the cooling system even to only 7
> p.s.i. very advantageous.
> As I mentioned earlier the problem with the 100 insofar as cooling system
> pressure is concerned is the carbon seal in the water pump and perhaps the
> design of the radiator tanks.
>
> M
>
>
>
>
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From gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 23 15:16:48 2022
From: gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com (Richard Collins)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:16:48 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket
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FWIW
My BN7 is .030 over, has Isky cam, not sure re head gasket as work was done by PO; but it runs great at 180 but vapor locks when idling and approaching 200 even with fuel lines wrapped.

Regards,
Richard C
BN7 #440

On Feb 23, 2022, at 16:09, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
Blocking some passages may have been done to balance the cooling between hotter and cooler areas in the block. A 4 psi cap was probably considered sufficient at the time because the engine was intended to run at a lower temperature. Increasing the system pressure raises the coolant boiling point, but also increases stress on hoses, gaskets and seals. I think the thermostats used were in the 160 degree F range. Under the conditions that were anticipated they probably tried to minimize those stresses for warranty reasons. More recent experience says that engines run more efficiently at higher temperatures. Most modern engines run at around 210 degrees F. My 100 runs best with a coolant temperature of about 180 degrees F. I haven?t experienced any problems in that temperature range although if it gets anywhere above 190 degrees F it will vapor lock.
________________________________
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Michael Salter via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 8:22 PM
To: Hank Leach <gradea1 at charter.net>
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>; Steven Kingsbury <airtightproductions at me.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Head Gasket

For what it's worth, I always have the block skimmed on 100 engine rebuilds.
To date most if not all seem to have a low area between 2 & 3.
Touch wood, I've yet to encounter head gasket problems or even the very common "seepage" issues in the area of the engine number tag.
Fingers and toes crossed.

M

On Wed., Feb. 23, 2022, 3:02 p.m. Henry G Leach via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Has anyone ever stuck a magnet to a Payen copper gasket? I did-its a steel gasket with a copper coating. There is a real engineering issue with the 2660cc block and I am not sure why it is configured as it is. There may have been a study done on the engine's water flow way back then and some modifications made for cooling. It does not add up or make sense, however.

So, look at this head and the gasket and then the block. Why are the water passages reduced on the jackets shown?  Then too, why is there no passage in one area marked that is actually open for water on the head and gasket? This is one "hot spot" found between 2-3 cylinders when read with a heat gun.

I was tempted to drill out the opening in the block before re-assembling my head, but thought better of it. I would never question engineering technology of BMC. Modern day replacements have that same area blocked. Never-the-less, can anyone explain this concept to me; the reason for this and a 4lb. radiator cap. This engine needs water, lots of it to keep it cool. Why restrict it?  Then too, aluminum has its own set of issues that may/may not improve the cooling capacity of some old, thick cast iron block. Maybe throwing money at it has an effect.  Hank

-----------------------------------------

From: gradea1 at charter.net<mailto:gradea1 at charter.net>
To: "Steven Kingsbury"
Cc: "Healey Mail List"
Sent: Tuesday February 22 2022 12:23:07PM
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two

Steven-that's a real heavy piston at .060 (compression ratio 9:1?) Was there any defect in head prior to assembly? Magnafluxed? There is an outfit Midwest Cylinder Head that can repair that for about $500, or else is on to Denis Welch for about $4K.

I just had my head off and checked-they shaved .003 to get it flat. Fingers crossed-head gasket was not blown, but water in oil. I'm hoping it was water intrusion from rocker studs. Hank


-----------------------------------------

From: "Steven Kingsbury via Healeys"
To: "Healey Mail List"
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday February 22 2022 11:28:21AM
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket Woes Part Two

Luckily the pistons weren't frozen, nor the rings in the pistons, but when I turned the head over to inspect, I got the really bad news.

[INBOX530788498d9fa86f504913dab139d4d9ef6]

Oh well. I guess some JB Weld might hold!?  Ha! Damn it Jim.
S
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From p_cquinn at tpg.com.au  Thu Feb 24 16:03:10 2022
From: p_cquinn at tpg.com.au (Patrick & Caroline Quinn)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 10:03:10 +1100
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket
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Hello Alan

 

That raises a question that you might be able to help with.

 

My Healey Duncan has a 0 PSI cap or in other words it?s not meant to be pressurised. However when it gets warmed up and the coolant/water expands there is nowhere for it to go except out the overflow. On a longer run this repeats itself again and again until it overheats.

 

Don?t want to pressurise the system, but am thinking about an overflow tank.

 

Thank you

 

Patrick Quinn

Blue Mountains, Australia

(where it?s been raining for almost 40 days and 40 nights)

 

From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alan Seigrist
Sent: Friday, 25 February 2022 12:46 AM
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Head Gasket

 

My A90 is 0 PSI .... still seems to run as cool as the 100 !

 

 

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From healey.nut at gmail.com  Thu Feb 24 16:47:31 2022
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 07:47:31 +0800
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket
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Patrick -

I think on these old radiators there should be a small expansion tank in
the very top of the radiator tank.  You might try soldering a connection on
top as the bleed off.

Cheers,

Alan



On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 7:03 AM Patrick & Caroline Quinn <
p_cquinn at tpg.com.au> wrote:

> Hello Alan
>
>
>
> That raises a question that you might be able to help with.
>
>
>
> My Healey Duncan has a 0 PSI cap or in other words it?s not meant to be
> pressurised. However when it gets warmed up and the coolant/water expands
> there is nowhere for it to go except out the overflow. On a longer run this
> repeats itself again and again until it overheats.
>
>
>
> Don?t want to pressurise the system, but am thinking about an overflow
> tank.
>
>
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
> Patrick Quinn
>
> Blue Mountains, Australia
>
> (where it?s been raining for almost 40 days and 40 nights)
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Alan
> Seigrist
> *Sent:* Friday, 25 February 2022 12:46 AM
> *To:* healeys at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Head Gasket
>
>
>
> My A90 is 0 PSI .... still seems to run as cool as the 100 !
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From p_cquinn at tpg.com.au  Thu Feb 24 17:06:44 2022
From: p_cquinn at tpg.com.au (Patrick & Caroline Quinn)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 11:06:44 +1100
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket
In-Reply-To: <CAFBXTkJSmbvE5LkUmAmp=s8Y08a6OYerfO65YqyNOvxiUcEFxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eaf9c8b129062ae6c14d58dcb1e5f338df44cac5@webmail>
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Thanks Alan

 

There is a ball valve at the very top that opens as soon as you look at it and lets the water out on to the road via a copper pipe.

 

Interestingly the radiator in the BN3 is the same as the Healey Duncan, but it?s pressurised.

 

Hoo Roo

 

Patrick Quinn

 

From: Alan Seigrist [mailto:healey.nut at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 25 February 2022 10:48 AM
To: Patrick & Caroline Quinn
Cc: Healey list
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Head Gasket

 

Patrick -

 

I think on these old radiators there should be a small expansion tank in the very top of the radiator tank.  You might try soldering a connection on top as the bleed off.

 

Cheers,

 

Alan

 

 

 

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 7:03 AM Patrick & Caroline Quinn <p_cquinn at tpg.com.au> wrote:

Hello Alan

 

That raises a question that you might be able to help with.

 

My Healey Duncan has a 0 PSI cap or in other words it?s not meant to be pressurised. However when it gets warmed up and the coolant/water expands there is nowhere for it to go except out the overflow. On a longer run this repeats itself again and again until it overheats.

 

Don?t want to pressurise the system, but am thinking about an overflow tank.

 

Thank you

 

Patrick Quinn

Blue Mountains, Australia

(where it?s been raining for almost 40 days and 40 nights)

 

From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alan Seigrist
Sent: Friday, 25 February 2022 12:46 AM
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Head Gasket

 

My A90 is 0 PSI .... still seems to run as cool as the 100 !

 

 

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From healey.nut at gmail.com  Thu Feb 24 17:31:30 2022
From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 08:31:30 +0800
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket
In-Reply-To: <00c701d829db$93f4cbe0$bbde63a0$@tpg.com.au>
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sounds complicated!

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 at 8:06 AM, Patrick & Caroline Quinn <
p_cquinn at tpg.com.au> wrote:

> Thanks Alan
>
>
>
> There is a ball valve at the very top that opens as soon as you look at it
> and lets the water out on to the road via a copper pipe.
>
>
>
> Interestingly the radiator in the BN3 is the same as the Healey Duncan,
> but it?s pressurised.
>
>
>
> Hoo Roo
>
>
>
> Patrick Quinn
>
>
>
> *From:* Alan Seigrist [mailto:healey.nut at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, 25 February 2022 10:48 AM
> *To:* Patrick & Caroline Quinn
> *Cc:* Healey list
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Head Gasket
>
>
>
> Patrick -
>
>
>
> I think on these old radiators there should be a small expansion tank in
> the very top of the radiator tank.  You might try soldering a connection on
> top as the bleed off.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 7:03 AM Patrick & Caroline Quinn <
> p_cquinn at tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hello Alan
>
>
>
> That raises a question that you might be able to help with.
>
>
>
> My Healey Duncan has a 0 PSI cap or in other words it?s not meant to be
> pressurised. However when it gets warmed up and the coolant/water expands
> there is nowhere for it to go except out the overflow. On a longer run this
> repeats itself again and again until it overheats.
>
>
>
> Don?t want to pressurise the system, but am thinking about an overflow
> tank.
>
>
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
> Patrick Quinn
>
> Blue Mountains, Australia
>
> (where it?s been raining for almost 40 days and 40 nights)
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Alan
> Seigrist
> *Sent:* Friday, 25 February 2022 12:46 AM
> *To:* healeys at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Head Gasket
>
>
>
> My A90 is 0 PSI .... still seems to run as cool as the 100 !
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From healeyguy at aol.com  Thu Feb 24 17:47:00 2022
From: healeyguy at aol.com (Perry Small)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 19:47:00 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Head Gasket
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Tank necks are available from many suppliers. Suspect most radiator shops can fit the overflow type. 

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From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold)
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Subject: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
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From bspidell at comcast.net  Sun Feb 27 10:23:31 2022
From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2022 09:23:31 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
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References: <EC670D4E-5CDD-4141-B695-DE302D8A45DE.ref@aol.com>
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Nice! But now you can only take your Healey off-roading ;)

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/170785010839873878/

On 2/27/2022 8:49 AM, Harold Manifold via Healeys wrote:
>
> Update on restoring Lucas beehive lens. The original lens on my 1960 
> BT7 were painted glass and the paint had peeled noticeably on one of 
> the lens. I used a common paint stripper I had on hand to remove all 
> of the original red paint. I first tried to recoat with paint for 
> stained glass from a hobby store. It did not work well and was a poor 
> colour match. For the second attempt I used VHT Nite-Shades which is 
> lens paint. Who would have thought! It worked very well. Picture attached.
>
> My total cost is about $30 which may be more than new but I was able 
> to use original parts.
>
> Harold
>
> *From: *i erbs via Healeys <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Sent: *Saturday, February 5, 2022 7:09 PM
> *To: *Perry Small <mailto:healeyguy at aol.com>
> *Cc: *healeys <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
>
> I have two red behive lenses and the red is in fact peeling off.
>
> Ira Erbs
> 1959 AH 100-6
> 1967 MGB
> Milwaukie, OR
>
> On Sat, Feb 5, 2022, 3:12 PM Perry Small via Healeys 
> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>     Harold
>
>     After seeing Marks response I reread your email. The Lucas red
>     lens were made of red glass not coated. True, the red color varies.
>
>     Photo attached.
>
>     Perry
>
>         ?
>
>         Harold,
>
>         Your comment about the colour ?peeling off? puzzles me.
>
>         I agree that the red beehive lens does come in a small variety
>         of shades ? some quite dark ? but mine are all red glass right
>         through. *No red coating*.
>
>         Mark
>
>         Ardmore
>
>         NZ
>
>         *From:*?Harold Manifold <manifold at telus.net>
>         *Sent:*?Saturday, 5 February 2022 2:49 PM
>         *To:*?Ken Fleming via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
>         *Subject:*?[Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
>
>         Hello,
>
>         I have 4 red original glass Lucas L594 Red Beehive tail light
>         lens. Unfortunately no two match. The colour is either
>         different, faded or starting to peel off.
>
>         Has anyone has good success stripping the old red and then
>         recoating with a new red?
>
>         I know you can buy new but these are original and I would like
>         to reuse them. Any tips or suggestions are appreciated. What
>         type of coating is recommended.
>
>
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From michaelsalter at gmail.com  Sun Feb 27 10:25:14 2022
From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2022 12:25:14 -0500
Subject: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
In-Reply-To: <B5F3CFFE-F249-4D83-9803-3919DC83FB24@hxcore.ol>
References: <EC670D4E-5CDD-4141-B695-DE302D8A45DE.ref@aol.com>
 <EC670D4E-5CDD-4141-B695-DE302D8A45DE@aol.com>
 <CABXhz88wG4t4VVzxER33zAq4AbA0Mb=smhDLS0H6jK33A=9m7w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAB3i7LLv8H9d-==MzcEskRqvX0O6p_H1XV30me3o-TCy8EYgWw@mail.gmail.com>

This is very odd.
Like Mark and Perry I have never encountered red beehive lenses with paint
on them.
Is the paint on the inside or the outside?
I would have thought that if they were to be painted by Lucas, of which I'm
very doubtful, the paint would have been on the inside.
Can you confirm that the painted lenses have the word LUCAS cast on them
and L594?

M



On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 11:54 AM Harold Manifold via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Update on restoring Lucas beehive lens. The original lens on my 1960 BT7
> were painted glass and the paint had peeled noticeably on one of the lens.
> I used a common paint stripper I had on hand to remove all of the original
> red paint. I first tried to recoat with paint for stained glass from a
> hobby store. It did not work well and was a poor colour match. For the
> second attempt I used VHT Nite-Shades which is lens paint. Who would have
> thought! It worked very well. Picture attached.
>
>
>
> My total cost is about $30 which may be more than new but I was able to
> use original parts.
>
>
>
> Harold
>
>
>
> *From: *i erbs via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Sent: *Saturday, February 5, 2022 7:09 PM
> *To: *Perry Small <healeyguy at aol.com>
> *Cc: *healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
>
>
>
> I have two red behive lenses and the red is in fact peeling off.
>
> Ira Erbs
> 1959 AH 100-6
> 1967 MGB
> Milwaukie, OR
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 5, 2022, 3:12 PM Perry Small via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Harold
>
> After seeing Marks response I reread your email. The Lucas red lens were
> made of red glass not coated. True, the red color varies.
>
> Photo attached.
>
> Perry
>
>
>
>
>
> ?
>
> Harold,
>
>
>
> Your comment about the colour ?peeling off? puzzles me.
>
> I agree that the red beehive lens does come in a small variety of shades ?
> some quite dark ? but mine are all red glass right through.  *No red
> coating*.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> Ardmore
>
> NZ
>
>
>
> *From:* Harold Manifold <manifold at telus.net>
> *Sent:* Saturday, 5 February 2022 2:49 PM
> *To:* Ken Fleming via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I have 4 red original glass Lucas L594 Red Beehive tail light lens.
> Unfortunately no two match. The colour is either different, faded or
> starting to peel off.
>
> Has anyone has good success stripping the old red and then recoating with
> a new red?
>
>
>
> I know you can buy new but these are original and I would like to reuse
> them. Any tips or suggestions are appreciated. What type of coating is
> recommended.
>
>
>
> Thanks?.. Harold
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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From boyracer466 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 27 10:45:59 2022
From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (Ricchardd Mayor)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2022 09:45:59 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
In-Reply-To: <CAB3i7LLv8H9d-==MzcEskRqvX0O6p_H1XV30me3o-TCy8EYgWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EC670D4E-5CDD-4141-B695-DE302D8A45DE.ref@aol.com>
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 <CABXhz88wG4t4VVzxER33zAq4AbA0Mb=smhDLS0H6jK33A=9m7w@mail.gmail.com>
 <B5F3CFFE-F249-4D83-9803-3919DC83FB24@hxcore.ol>
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Message-ID: <1C47D55A-2F78-47F0-82DC-F48F6DA72BD0@gmail.com>

I suspect the ?original Lens? on your 1960 BT7 was an original clear lens that someone - during the last 62 years - painted it red.   Red Lucas beehive lens are red glass - not painted.


Richard Mayor
boyracer466 at gmail.com


> On Feb 27, 2022, at 9:25 AM, Michael Salter via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> This is very odd. 
> Like Mark and Perry I have never encountered red beehive lenses with paint on them.
> Is the paint on the inside or the outside?
> I would have thought that if they were to be painted by Lucas, of which I'm very doubtful, the paint would have been on the inside.
> Can you confirm that the painted lenses have the word LUCAS cast on them and L594?
> 
> M
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 11:54 AM Harold Manifold via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> Update on restoring Lucas beehive lens. The original lens on my 1960 BT7 were painted glass and the paint had peeled noticeably on one of the lens. I used a common paint stripper I had on hand to remove all of the original red paint. I first tried to recoat with paint for stained glass from a hobby store. It did not work well and was a poor colour match. For the second attempt I used VHT Nite-Shades which is lens paint. Who would have thought! It worked very well. Picture attached.
> 
>  
> 
> My total cost is about $30 which may be more than new but I was able to use original parts.
> 
>  
> 
> Harold
> 
>  
> 
> From: i erbs via Healeys <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, February 5, 2022 7:09 PM
> To: Perry Small <mailto:healeyguy at aol.com>
> Cc: healeys <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
> 
>  
> 
> I have two red behive lenses and the red is in fact peeling off.
> 
> Ira Erbs
> 1959 AH 100-6
> 1967 MGB
> Milwaukie, OR
> 
>  
> 
> On Sat, Feb 5, 2022, 3:12 PM Perry Small via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> 
> Harold
> 
> After seeing Marks response I reread your email. The Lucas red lens were made of red glass not coated. True, the red color varies. 
> 
> Photo attached.
> 
> Perry
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> ?
> 
> Harold,
> 
>  
> Your comment about the colour ?peeling off? puzzles me.
> 
> I agree that the red beehive lens does come in a small variety of shades ? some quite dark ? but mine are all red glass right through.  No red coating.
> 
>  
> Mark
> 
>  
> Ardmore
> 
> NZ
> 
>  
> From: Harold Manifold <manifold at telus.net <mailto:manifold at telus.net>> 
> Sent: Saturday, 5 February 2022 2:49 PM
> To: Ken Fleming via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>>
> Subject: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
> 
>  
> Hello,
> 
>  
> I have 4 red original glass Lucas L594 Red Beehive tail light lens. Unfortunately no two match. The colour is either different, faded or starting to peel off.
> 
> Has anyone has good success stripping the old red and then recoating with a new red?
> 
>  
> I know you can buy new but these are original and I would like to reuse them. Any tips or suggestions are appreciated. What type of coating is recommended.
> 
>  
> Thanks?.. Harold
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 27 10:48:39 2022
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2022 09:48:39 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
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My red behives are coated red and chipping at base. Will send photos when I
find the box. I am insulating my shop and everything has been moved

Ira Erbs
1959 AH 100-6
1967 MGB
Milwaukie, OR

On Sun, Feb 27, 2022, 9:46 AM Ricchardd Mayor via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I suspect the ?original Lens? on your 1960 BT7 was an original clear lens
> that someone - during the last 62 years - painted it red.   Red Lucas
> beehive lens are red glass - not painted.
>
>
> Richard Mayor
> boyracer466 at gmail.com
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2022, at 9:25 AM, Michael Salter via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> This is very odd.
> Like Mark and Perry I have never encountered red beehive lenses with paint
> on them.
> Is the paint on the inside or the outside?
> I would have thought that if they were to be painted by Lucas, of which
> I'm very doubtful, the paint would have been on the inside.
> Can you confirm that the painted lenses have the word LUCAS cast on them
> and L594?
>
> M
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 11:54 AM Harold Manifold via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Update on restoring Lucas beehive lens. The original lens on my 1960 BT7
>> were painted glass and the paint had peeled noticeably on one of the lens.
>> I used a common paint stripper I had on hand to remove all of the original
>> red paint. I first tried to recoat with paint for stained glass from a
>> hobby store. It did not work well and was a poor colour match. For the
>> second attempt I used VHT Nite-Shades which is lens paint. Who would have
>> thought! It worked very well. Picture attached.
>>
>>
>>
>> My total cost is about $30 which may be more than new but I was able to
>> use original parts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Harold
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *i erbs via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> *Sent: *Saturday, February 5, 2022 7:09 PM
>> *To: *Perry Small <healeyguy at aol.com>
>> *Cc: *healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
>>
>>
>>
>> I have two red behive lenses and the red is in fact peeling off.
>>
>> Ira Erbs
>> 1959 AH 100-6
>> 1967 MGB
>> Milwaukie, OR
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 5, 2022, 3:12 PM Perry Small via Healeys <
>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> Harold
>>
>> After seeing Marks response I reread your email. The Lucas red lens were
>> made of red glass not coated. True, the red color varies.
>>
>> Photo attached.
>>
>> Perry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Harold,
>>
>>
>> Your comment about the colour ?peeling off? puzzles me.
>>
>> I agree that the red beehive lens does come in a small variety of shades
>> ? some quite dark ? but mine are all red glass right through.  *No red
>> coating*.
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> Ardmore
>>
>> NZ
>>
>>
>> *From:* Harold Manifold <manifold at telus.net>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 5 February 2022 2:49 PM
>> *To:* Ken Fleming via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>> I have 4 red original glass Lucas L594 Red Beehive tail light lens.
>> Unfortunately no two match. The colour is either different, faded or
>> starting to peel off.
>>
>> Has anyone has good success stripping the old red and then recoating with
>> a new red?
>>
>>
>> I know you can buy new but these are original and I would like to reuse
>> them. Any tips or suggestions are appreciated. What type of coating is
>> recommended.
>>
>>
>> Thanks?.. Harold
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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From manifold at telus.net  Sun Feb 27 11:07:19 2022
From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2022 10:07:19 -0800
Subject: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
In-Reply-To: <CAB3i7LLv8H9d-==MzcEskRqvX0O6p_H1XV30me3o-TCy8EYgWw@mail.gmail.com>
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2022 19:47:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
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Just randomly tried the paint stripper test on five of 15 Lucas L594 red lens I have in the bin.? No change, no red residue on the rag,?It did remove some blue paint overspray that was on the outside of one lens!?Perry


-----Original Message-----
From: Harold Manifold via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>

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Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2022 9:25 AM
To: Harold Manifold
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens ?This is very odd. Like Mark and Perry I have never encountered red beehive lenses with paint on them.Is the paint on the inside or the outside?I would have thought that if they were to be painted by Lucas, of which I'm very doubtful, the paint would have been on the inside.Can you confirm that the painted lenses have the word LUCAS cast on them and L594? ?M ????On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 11:54 AM Harold Manifold via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
Update on restoring Lucas beehive lens. The original lens on my 1960 BT7 were painted glass and the paint had peeled noticeably on one of the lens. I used a common paint stripper I had on hand to remove all of the original red paint. I first tried to recoat with paint for stained glass from a hobby store. It did not work well and was a poor colour match. For the second attempt I used VHT Nite-Shades which is lens paint. Who would have thought! It worked very well. Picture attached.?My total cost is about $30 which may be more than new but I was able to use original parts.?Harold?From: i erbs via Healeys
Sent: Saturday, February 5, 2022 7:09 PM
To: Perry Small
Cc: healeys
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens?I have two red behive lenses and the red is in fact peeling off.Ira Erbs
1959 AH 100-6
1967 MGB
Milwaukie, OR?On Sat, Feb 5, 2022, 3:12 PM Perry Small via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
HaroldAfter seeing Marks response I reread your email. The Lucas red lens were made of red glass not coated. True, the red color varies.?Photo attached.Perry?
Harold,


?Your comment about the colour ?peeling off? puzzles me.I agree that the red beehive lens does come in a small variety of shades ? some quite dark ? but mine are all red glass right through.??No red coating.?Mark?ArdmoreNZ?From:?Harold Manifold <manifold at telus.net>?
Sent:?Saturday, 5 February 2022 2:49 PM
To:?Ken Fleming via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject:?[Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens?Hello,?I have 4 red original glass Lucas L594 Red Beehive tail light lens. Unfortunately no two match. The colour is either different,?faded or starting to peel off.Has anyone has good success stripping the old red and then recoating with a new red??I know you can buy new but these are original and I would like to reuse them. Any tips or suggestions are appreciated. What type of coating is recommended.?Thanks?.. Harold?


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From gradea1 at charter.net  Sun Feb 27 15:19:18 2022
From: gradea1 at charter.net (gradea1 at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2022 22:19:18 +0000
Subject: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens
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OK-let's stop bickering and talk LUCAS. Attached are two pages from
1959 Lucas "Quality Equipment & Spare Parts Catalog".
Note the clear or frosted front sidelight/ flasher lens for the 100
and 100-6/3000. The second page covers stop/taillight lenses. All are
different part numbers and colors.
Later BJ8 plastic lenses are clear: 54572775 and red 54572774.
As you know, the SAME PARTS carried 5 digit, 6, 7 and 8 number
designations so that Lucas could cheat the government out of inventory
tax. However, they did get caught, and eventually went bankrupt. If
you bought the latest boxed 7 digit part, it was identical to the
earlier 5 digit part-just a new box. 
As Perry has tested, the red glass lens is red glass, and the clear
lens is clear. The early 100 had a clear, but bead blasted, frosted
lens. Yes some bulb spray will change the color, but Lucas never did
that. Many of the "orange" lenses were actually sun faded or
miss-matched die lots. . Just the Longbridge 100-6 had an actual
orange lens (Dagmar unit-shown) Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: "healeyguy--- via
Healeys" 
To: "manifold at telus.net"
Cc: "healeys at autox.team.net"
Sent: Sunday February 27 2022 11:48:22AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens

  Just randomly tried the paint stripper test on five of 15 Lucas L594
red lens I have in the bin. No change, no red residue on the rag, It
did remove some blue paint overspray that was on the outside of one
lens! Perry

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Harold Manifold via Healeys 

    Michael,   All four L594 lens on my car had similar markings. They
are all glass, front two are clear back two painted red.   Front Clear
Inner Ring ? LUCAS L594 MADE IN ENGLAND Outer Ring ? ICM 3137 LAX 
 Rear Painted Inner Ring ? LUCAS L594 ENGLAND Outer Ring ? ICM
3137 LAX   The script is very slightly different. For some history of
my car. It was in storage from the mid 1970?s until I stated to
restore it about 4 years ago. Having taken the car completely apart I
could tell there was never damage to the rear of the car.   We need
someone who wants to sacrifice a red lens to try paint stripper.
Another theory is the factory was short on red glass lens and had some
clear glass lens painted to cover the shortage.   I wouldn?t have
known the lens were painted if the paint wasn?t coming off one of
the lens.   Harold Manifold     FROM: Michael Salter
SENT: Sunday, February 27, 2022 9:25 AM
TO: Harold Manifold
CC: healeys at autox.team.net
SUBJECT: Re: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens      This is very
odd.   Like Mark and Perry I have never encountered red beehive lenses
with paint on them.   Is the paint on the inside or the outside?   I
would have thought that if they were to be painted by Lucas, of which
I'm very doubtful, the paint would have been on the inside.   Can you
confirm that the painted lenses have the word LUCAS cast on them and
L594?       M              On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 11:54 AM Harold
Manifold via Healeys  wrote:   UPDATE ON RESTORING LUCAS BEEHIVE LENS.
THE ORIGINAL LENS ON MY 1960 BT7 WERE PAINTED GLASS AND THE PAINT HAD
PEELED NOTICEABLY ON ONE OF THE LENS. I USED A COMMON PAINT STRIPPER I
HAD ON HAND TO REMOVE ALL OF THE ORIGINAL RED PAINT. I FIRST TRIED TO
RECOAT WITH PAINT FOR STAINED GLASS FROM A HOBBY STORE. IT DID NOT
WORK WELL AND WAS A POOR COLOUR MATCH. FOR THE SECOND ATTEMPT I USED
VHT NITE-SHADES WHICH IS LENS PAINT. WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT! IT WORKED
VERY WELL. PICTURE ATTACHED.   MY TOTAL COST IS ABOUT $30 WHICH MAY BE
MORE THAN NEW BUT I WAS ABLE TO USE ORIGINAL PARTS.   HAROLD    FROM:
i erbs via Healeys
SENT: Saturday, February 5, 2022 7:09 PM
TO: Perry Small
CC: healeys
SUBJECT: Re: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens      I have two red
behive lenses and the red is in fact peeling off.  Ira Erbs
 1959 AH 100-6
 1967 MGB
 Milwaukie, OR       On Sat, Feb 5, 2022, 3:12 PM Perry Small via
Healeys  wrote:   Harold  After seeing Marks response I reread your
email. The Lucas red lens were made of red glass not coated. True, the
red color varies.    Photo attached.   Perry       Harold,
      YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE COLOUR ?PEELING OFF? PUZZLES ME. I
AGREE THAT THE RED BEEHIVE LENS DOES COME IN A SMALL VARIETY OF SHADES
? SOME QUITE DARK ? BUT MINE ARE ALL RED GLASS RIGHT THROUGH. NO
RED COATING.   Mark   Ardmore NZ     FROM: Harold Manifold  
SENT: Saturday, 5 February 2022 2:49 PM
TO: Ken Fleming via Healeys 
SUBJECT: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens     Hello,   I have 4 red
original glass Lucas L594 Red Beehive tail light lens. Unfortunately
no two match. The colour is either different, faded or starting to
peel off. Has anyone has good success stripping the old red and then
recoating with a new red?   I know you can buy new but these are
original and I would like to reuse them. Any tips or suggestions are
appreciated. What type of coating is recommended.   Thanks?.. Harold

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