From healeyguy at aol.com Mon Aug 1 11:32:25 2022 From: healeyguy at aol.com (healeyguy at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 17:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Healeys] 100 Engine Gearbox Removal References: <77196301.1589822.1659375146091.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <77196301.1589822.1659375146091@mail.yahoo.com> After the discussion regarding removal of six cylinder engine and gearbox last week. >From the 100 Service manual . Even less room maneuver things. P Fig 20 Sent from my iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_9842.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 34900 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is best with the gear lever removed because the gearbox has to be rotated as it is lined up to get the top under the bottom of the firewall. It is also best to have the box in top gear as it might be necessary to rotate the first motion shaft from the prop shaft flange so that the splines line up with the clutch plate splines. You might find that this will allow the gearbox to fit the first time but if not it may help to have three long threaded rods pulling the gearbox to the engine plate so that there is a constant gap which allows a direct aligned entry. Regards On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 at 19:17, healeyguy--- via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > After the discussion regarding removal of six cylinder engine and gearbox > last week. > From the 100 Service manual . Even less room maneuver things. > P > > > > > Fig 20 > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ah100tech at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britfan1 at epix.net Mon Aug 1 12:55:04 2022 From: britfan1 at epix.net (S.Carr) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 14:55:04 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] 100 Engine Gearbox Removal In-Reply-To: <77196301.1589822.1659375146091@mail.yahoo.com> References: <77196301.1589822.1659375146091.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <77196301.1589822.1659375146091@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1013500095.2602495.1659380143242@epix.net> ?Less room? is putting it mildly ? herewith the extraction of the engine/gearbox from my BN1 many years ago ? he worked the chain hoist, I guided the tail of the gearbox ? a very touchy job to get that big lump out without damaging anything------------- Sarah Carr Ex-BN1 in PA Sent from Mail for Windows From: healeyguy--- via Healeys Sent: Monday, August 1, 2022 2:00 PM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] 100 Engine Gearbox Removal After the discussion regarding removal of six cylinder engine and gearbox last week. >From the 100 Service manual . Even less room maneuver things. 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On 8/1/2022 10:32 AM, healeyguy--- via Healeys wrote: > After the discussion regarding removal of six cylinder engine and > gearbox last week. > From the 100 Service manual . Even less room maneuver things. > P > > > > > Fig 20 > > Sent from my iPhone > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sentenac.rw at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 14:28:14 2022 From: sentenac.rw at gmail.com (Roland Wilhelmy) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 13:28:14 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] 100 Engine Gearbox Removal In-Reply-To: References: <77196301.1589822.1659375146091.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <77196301.1589822.1659375146091@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You can also raise the car a few inches. I removed and reinstalled #724's engine and tranny that way by myself. The car was raised to let the cherry picker legs get under the car and also so I could crawl under to fit the motor mount screws. Fitting those screws was the hardest part of installing the engine/tranny combo. Getting the pieces to line up. -Roland On Mon, Aug 1, 2022, 12:27 PM john harper via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > HEALEY GUY > > I believe that if you look at the detail of removing or replacing the > engine with a gearbox still attached at a large angle you will find that > you have to have a below-ground clearance at the tail. This is likely to be > pit! > > For what it is worth I leave the gearbox off until the engine is on its > front mounts. Lifting the BN1 gearbox with a heavy rope around one's neck > is not very difficult so long as the clutch plate is in line, using an > alignment tool. It is best with the gear lever removed because the > gearbox has to be rotated as it is lined up to get the top under the > bottom of the firewall. It is also best to have the box in top gear as it > might be necessary to rotate the first motion shaft from the prop shaft > flange so that the splines line up with the clutch plate splines. You might > find that this will allow the gearbox to fit the first time but if not it > may help to have three long threaded rods pulling the gearbox to the engine > plate so that there is a constant gap which allows a direct aligned entry. > > Regards > > On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 at 19:17, healeyguy--- via Healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> After the discussion regarding removal of six cylinder engine and gearbox >> last week. >> From the 100 Service manual . Even less room maneuver things. >> P >> >> >> >> >> Fig 20 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ah100tech at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/sentenac.rw at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ryan at jimryan.com Tue Aug 2 06:29:15 2022 From: ryan at jimryan.com (Jim Ryan) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 08:29:15 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] BJ8 fuel guage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm sure you're already aware of this, but I've always used my tripometer for my fuel gauge in any SBC I've owned. On Mon, Aug 1, 2022, 10:42 PM Brian Drab via Healeys wrote: > I have a BJ8 with a fuel guage that is beyond repair. I have tried to > locate a new guage. Moss doesn?t have one for a BJ8. I tried Ebay and a > couple came up all from Europe. I have no trouble getting one from the UK > but when I check the reliability of the sources, they come up less than > stirling. Does anyone in Healeyland have any sources for a guage preferably > on this side of the pond, or does anyone have a used guage for sale? Any > help much appreciated. I do carry a small jerry can of gas in the trunk > duer to past experience but I would really like to know what my fuel > situation is an a constant basis. > > Brian Drab > > Vancouver B.C. > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.oritt at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 06:52:21 2022 From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 08:52:21 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] BJ8 fuel guage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Me too and it is more accurate than a Healey fuel gauge whether working or not. Best--Michael Oritt On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 8:30 AM Jim Ryan wrote: > I'm sure you're already aware of this, but I've always used my tripometer > for my fuel gauge in any SBC I've owned. > > On Mon, Aug 1, 2022, 10:42 PM Brian Drab via Healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> I have a BJ8 with a fuel guage that is beyond repair. I have tried to >> locate a new guage. Moss doesn?t have one for a BJ8. I tried Ebay and a >> couple came up all from Europe. I have no trouble getting one from the UK >> but when I check the reliability of the sources, they come up less than >> stirling. Does anyone in Healeyland have any sources for a guage preferably >> on this side of the pond, or does anyone have a used guage for sale? Any >> help much appreciated. I do carry a small jerry can of gas in the trunk >> duer to past experience but I would really like to know what my fuel >> situation is an a constant basis. >> >> Brian Drab >> >> Vancouver B.C. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From healeyguy at aol.com Tue Aug 2 07:53:16 2022 From: healeyguy at aol.com (Perry Small) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 09:53:16 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Fuel gauge References: <88ADCB53-6014-45BF-9E49-EDBA9F8AFBB6.ref@aol.com> Message-ID: <88ADCB53-6014-45BF-9E49-EDBA9F8AFBB6@aol.com> Brian Have not checked this batch of fuel gauges. Perry Western PA USA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Charlie On 8/1/2022 10:34 PM, Brian Drab via Healeys wrote: > > I have a BJ8 with a fuel guage that is beyond repair. I have tried to > locate a new guage. Moss doesn?t have one for a BJ8. I tried Ebay and > a couple came up all from Europe. I have no trouble getting one from > the UK but when I check the reliability of the sources, they come up > less than stirling. Does anyone in Healeyland have any sources for a > guage preferably on this side of the pond, or does anyone have a used > guage for sale? Any help much appreciated. ?I do carry a small jerry > can of gas in the trunk duer to past experience but I would really > like to know what my fuel situation is an a constant basis. > > Brian Drab > > Vancouver B.C. > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Nethttp://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/mgcharlie at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mgcharlie at comcast.net Tue Aug 2 09:34:30 2022 From: mgcharlie at comcast.net (Charlie Baldwin) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 11:34:30 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] BJ8 fuel guage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08d40e34-54eb-8d0b-41e9-87143ec3df5e@comcast.net> Here is the Smiths repair facility that I mentioned.? Not exactly Vancouver, but not too far: http://vintagebritishcables.com/Smiths-Speedometer-Cable-SmithsTachometer-Cable.php On 8/1/2022 10:34 PM, Brian Drab via Healeys wrote: > > I have a BJ8 with a fuel guage that is beyond repair. I have tried to > locate a new guage. Moss doesn?t have one for a BJ8. I tried Ebay and > a couple came up all from Europe. I have no trouble getting one from > the UK but when I check the reliability of the sources, they come up > less than stirling. Does anyone in Healeyland have any sources for a > guage preferably on this side of the pond, or does anyone have a used > guage for sale? Any help much appreciated. ?I do carry a small jerry > can of gas in the trunk duer to past experience but I would really > like to know what my fuel situation is an a constant basis. > > Brian Drab > > Vancouver B.C. > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Nethttp://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/mgcharlie at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healeyray at yahoo.com Tue Aug 2 11:36:52 2022 From: healeyray at yahoo.com (Ray Juncal) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 17:36:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Healeys] Fuel gauge In-Reply-To: <88ADCB53-6014-45BF-9E49-EDBA9F8AFBB6@aol.com> References: <88ADCB53-6014-45BF-9E49-EDBA9F8AFBB6.ref@aol.com> <88ADCB53-6014-45BF-9E49-EDBA9F8AFBB6@aol.com> Message-ID: <936701696.5463914.1659461812448@mail.yahoo.com> Perry?? There is a good one liner in here somewhere but I'll be damned if I can think of it...... On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 07:46:14 AM PDT, Perry Small via Healeys wrote: Brian Have not checked this batch of fuel gauges. Perry Western PA USA Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyray at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_9845.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 32642 bytes Desc: not available URL: From healeybruce at roadrunner.com Tue Aug 2 14:04:49 2022 From: healeybruce at roadrunner.com (Bruce Steele) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 13:04:49 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Engine lift In-Reply-To: <006001d8a30f$ee3dbcd0$cab93670$@gmail.com> References: <068501d8a1d3$c548e5d0$4fdab170$@roadrunner.com> <36a38415-0cac-af34-d67a-1ee5e6b9716b@comcast.net> <006001d8a30f$ee3dbcd0$cab93670$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <021601d8a6ab$1f3b0650$5db112f0$@roadrunner.com> Plus you can raise or lower the car a bit as you finagle the hoist/engine leveler as you wiggle the engine in. Bruce Steele Brea, CA 1960 BN7 From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Al Fuller Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 10:56 PM To: Healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Engine lift I agree ? you need to get the car up off the ground a little! After all my work building up my car from a basket case of parts and a new frame ? we scratched the underside of the frame on both sides sliding the engine hoist under it? ? FWIW, having the car up a little also makes it a little easier to have clearance for the tail of the trans mission to go down before rotating upwards to its level position. Al Fuller Fuller Compliance, Inc. Quality Systems, Software Quality, Validation + 21 CFR Part 11 From: Healeys > On Behalf Of HealeyRick via Healeys Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 12:52 PM To: Bob Spidell > Cc: Healeys > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Engine lift Should have added the reason for raising the car a few inches is so you can slide the cherry picker in and out. Mine just clears the inside track of the tires. Rick Virus-free. www.avast.com On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 3:02 PM HealeyRick > wrote: A few more tips. Your cherry picker is going to have to raise to a pretty high angle to clear everything, so make sure your ceiling and garage door give you enough room before you have the engine and trans hanging over the shroud. I've done it as a one-man job but it's easier if you have a second to guide the transmission and make sure it doesn't scratch anything. It helps to raise the front of the car a few inches. Pad the front of the shroud well to prevent scratches. An engine leveler helps. Make sure all your chains will take the weight, a friend had one snap right as everything was hanging over the front of the shroud, not pretty. Remove the gear shift lever. Observe how time slows down as you hold your breath when the lump is hanging over the shroud. Have plenty of drinks on hand to celebrate when disaster was avoided. Good luck, Rick Neville Virus-free. www.avast.com On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 10:39 PM Bob Spidell > wrote: With the 6-cyl cars, try not to bash the throttle cross shaft in the top of the transmission tunnel. If bent, it will affect gas pedal feel and, while the engine's out I recommend installing the teflon bushes on the shaft. If they've never been replaced they are almost certainly toast. On 7/27/2022 10:56 AM, HealeyRick wrote: Having done this a few times, I'd install the engine and trans together. Getting the trans lined up requires a lot of rotational twisting of a heavy trans. No thanks. Rick Neville Virus-free. www.avast.com On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 12:58 PM Bruce Steele via Healeys > wrote: Having pulled and installed the engine and trans as a unit twice and the trans once, I?m of the opinion that installing the engine without the trans is probably easier as far as the engine itself goes. The clearances between the top of the bellhousing and the firewall and the crank pulley and front cross member are small, requiring a lot of finesse and small adjustments to wiggle the unit in place. Plus someone with a strong back and a belt under the tail of the trans/OD is needed to lift it up over the X brace. However if done separately, you?d have to get the fore-aft vertical alignment right and then support the aft end of the engine while you align the input shaft to the pilot bearing and bolt the bellhousing to the engine. That was no piece of cake for me when I had the trans out with the engine in place. On balance, I?d rather connect the engine and trans out of the car and install them as a unit. But that?s just me. 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 31575 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rchaskell at earthlink.net Tue Aug 2 14:54:09 2022 From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 16:54:09 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Fuel gauge In-Reply-To: <936701696.5463914.1659461812448@mail.yahoo.com> References: <88ADCB53-6014-45BF-9E49-EDBA9F8AFBB6.ref@aol.com> <88ADCB53-6014-45BF-9E49-EDBA9F8AFBB6@aol.com> <936701696.5463914.1659461812448@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17eb4914-2720-99b1-0680-7824f2ae6fb9@earthlink.net> How many batches do you have that you've checked already? Cheers, Bob Haskell Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar On 8/2/22 1:36 PM, Ray Juncal via Healeys wrote: > Perry > ?? There is a good one liner in here somewhere but I'll be damned if I > can think of it...... > > Inline image > > > On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 07:46:14 AM PDT, Perry Small via Healeys > wrote: > > > Brian > Have not checked this batch of fuel gauges. > Perry > Western PA USA > > > > Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation? $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyray at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net > From healeyguy at aol.com Tue Aug 2 15:08:42 2022 From: healeyguy at aol.com (Perry Small) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 17:08:42 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Fuel gauge In-Reply-To: <17eb4914-2720-99b1-0680-7824f2ae6fb9@earthlink.net> References: <17eb4914-2720-99b1-0680-7824f2ae6fb9@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <22FBD0AD-7512-401F-B351-36CDC8B53328@aol.com> According to unnamed sources, have had to many batches!! This is just the latest batch. Been sitting on the shelf since leaving Hawaii in 2011. P Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 2, 2022, at 4:54 PM, Bob Haskell wrote: > > ?How many batches do you have that you've checked already? > > Cheers, > > Bob Haskell > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > >> On 8/2/22 1:36 PM, Ray Juncal via Healeys wrote: >> Perry >> There is a good one liner in here somewhere but I'll be damned if I can think of it...... >> >> Inline image >> >> >> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 07:46:14 AM PDT, Perry Small via Healeys wrote: >> >> >> Brian >> Have not checked this batch of fuel gauges. >> Perry >> Western PA USA >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyray at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net >> > From ampole at hotmail.com Tue Aug 2 20:48:52 2022 From: ampole at hotmail.com (andy pole) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 02:48:52 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Engine lift In-Reply-To: <021601d8a6ab$1f3b0650$5db112f0$@roadrunner.com> References: <068501d8a1d3$c548e5d0$4fdab170$@roadrunner.com> <36a38415-0cac-af34-d67a-1ee5e6b9716b@comcast.net> <006001d8a30f$ee3dbcd0$cab93670$@gmail.com> <021601d8a6ab$1f3b0650$5db112f0$@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: It?s so much easier to move the car rather than the engine, get the engine on a hoist with an angle adjuster, then use the front wheels to move the car forwards as you lower the hoist (it?s very easy to move the car rather than the engine as there is no weight) so drop the engine a couple of inches, move the car and adjust the angle on the hoist. If you need to you can use a wheeled Jack to lower the overdrive end onto which helps move the whole lump. I managed to get the engine, gearbox and overdrive as one unit in about 10 minutes in my own doing it this way. Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Healeys on behalf of Bruce Steele via Healeys Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2022 4:04:49 PM To: 'Al Fuller' ; Healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Engine lift Plus you can raise or lower the car a bit as you finagle the hoist/engine leveler as you wiggle the engine in. Bruce Steele Brea, CA 1960 BN7 From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Al Fuller Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 10:56 PM To: Healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Engine lift I agree ? you need to get the car up off the ground a little! After all my work building up my car from a basket case of parts and a new frame ? we scratched the underside of the frame on both sides sliding the engine hoist under it? ? FWIW, having the car up a little also makes it a little easier to have clearance for the tail of the trans mission to go down before rotating upwards to its level position. Al Fuller Fuller Compliance, Inc. Quality Systems, Software Quality, Validation + 21 CFR Part 11 From: Healeys > On Behalf Of HealeyRick via Healeys Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 12:52 PM To: Bob Spidell > Cc: Healeys > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Engine lift Should have added the reason for raising the car a few inches is so you can slide the cherry picker in and out. Mine just clears the inside track of the tires. Rick [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 3:02 PM HealeyRick > wrote: A few more tips. Your cherry picker is going to have to raise to a pretty high angle to clear everything, so make sure your ceiling and garage door give you enough room before you have the engine and trans hanging over the shroud. [cid:image002.jpg at 01D8A670.72227B40] I've done it as a one-man job but it's easier if you have a second to guide the transmission and make sure it doesn't scratch anything. It helps to raise the front of the car a few inches. Pad the front of the shroud well to prevent scratches. An engine leveler helps. Make sure all your chains will take the weight, a friend had one snap right as everything was hanging over the front of the shroud, not pretty. Remove the gear shift lever. Observe how time slows down as you hold your breath when the lump is hanging over the shroud. Have plenty of drinks on hand to celebrate when disaster was avoided. Good luck, Rick Neville [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 10:39 PM Bob Spidell > wrote: With the 6-cyl cars, try not to bash the throttle cross shaft in the top of the transmission tunnel. If bent, it will affect gas pedal feel and, while the engine's out I recommend installing the teflon bushes on the shaft. If they've never been replaced they are almost certainly toast. On 7/27/2022 10:56 AM, HealeyRick wrote: Having done this a few times, I'd install the engine and trans together. Getting the trans lined up requires a lot of rotational twisting of a heavy trans. No thanks. Rick Neville [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 12:58 PM Bruce Steele via Healeys > wrote: Having pulled and installed the engine and trans as a unit twice and the trans once, I?m of the opinion that installing the engine without the trans is probably easier as far as the engine itself goes. The clearances between the top of the bellhousing and the firewall and the crank pulley and front cross member are small, requiring a lot of finesse and small adjustments to wiggle the unit in place. Plus someone with a strong back and a belt under the tail of the trans/OD is needed to lift it up over the X brace. However if done separately, you?d have to get the fore-aft vertical alignment right and then support the aft end of the engine while you align the input shaft to the pilot bearing and bolt the bellhousing to the engine. 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It's subjective*--O/Ds seem to work a little quicker with cold, thick oil than hot oil--but it cuts maybe a third off engagement time on average. I had the O/D on the bench and disassembled, and the current one had a scored barrel so, why not? Engagement isn't much, if any, harsher than before which, I believe is the reason DMH wanted the weaker, smaller spring. If I'd known about it, I might have bought AHSpares' with an O-ring instead. * I've never really 'timed' O/D functioning, it would be a bit awkward; anyone done it? I usually tap the clutch pedal when engaging O/D, and give a little throttle when disengaging. I thought mine engaged a little quicker when I switched to synthetic fluid from engine oil, but in all cases confirmation bias may be involved. On 8/2/2022 8:09 PM, Joseph Costa wrote: > Has anyone installed their upgraded overdrive piston?? If so, is it > worth the trouble ? > > Joe > BN1 #923 > From michaelsalter at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 10:20:03 2022 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 12:20:03 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a question about the "O" ring type of accumulator. The way the accumulator works is that when it is fully charged the piston moves against the spring until the rings reach the radial holes in the wall of the housing which acts to relieve any excess pressure. My concern is that at 3 - 400 p.s.i. oil will obviously get behind the "O" ring and force the material of the "O" ring into those radial holes and then, as the piston moves back over them, a piece of the ring will shear off. I'm guessing that Laycock-DeNormanville used the complex cast iron rings rather than "O" rings because they recognized the possibility of this happening. I'm sure that tiny pieces of the "O" ring would be found in the filter if this was a problem. Anyone found them or noticed damage to their accumulator "O" ring upon disassembly? M On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 9:08 AM Bob Spidell wrote: > I put one in my BJ8's O/D. It's subjective*--O/Ds seem to work a little > quicker with cold, thick oil than hot oil--but it cuts maybe a third off > engagement time on average. I had the O/D on the bench and disassembled, > and the current one had a scored barrel so, why not? Engagement isn't > much, if any, harsher than before which, I believe is the reason DMH > wanted the weaker, smaller spring. If I'd known about it, I might have > bought AHSpares' with an O-ring instead. > > * I've never really 'timed' O/D functioning, it would be a bit awkward; > anyone done it? I usually tap the clutch pedal when engaging O/D, and > give a little throttle when disengaging. I thought mine engaged a little > quicker when I switched to synthetic fluid from engine oil, but in all > cases confirmation bias may be involved. > > > > On 8/2/2022 8:09 PM, Joseph Costa wrote: > > Has anyone installed their upgraded overdrive piston? If so, is it > > worth the trouble ? > > > > Joe > > BN1 #923 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Wed Aug 3 12:17:43 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 11:17:43 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9c538c31-7055-ed1f-bf19-fc563ccff9f5@comcast.net> Note Laycock went from steel rings to O-rings on the actuating pistons on the later cars. Went I overhauled my BJ8's O/D at about 205K miles the O-rings were in good shape, except for the wear you'd expect on the cylinder wall side (flat-sided). On 8/3/2022 9:20 AM, Michael Salter wrote: > I have a question about the "O" ring type of accumulator. > The way the accumulator works is that when it is fully charged the > piston moves against the spring until the rings reach the radial holes > in the wall of the housing which acts to relieve any excess pressure. > My concern is that at 3 - 400 p.s.i. oil will obviously get behind the > "O" ring and force the material of the "O" ring into those radial > holes and then, as the piston moves back over them, a piece of the > ring will shear off. > I'm guessing that Laycock-DeNormanville used the complex cast iron > rings rather than "O" rings because they recognized the possibility of > this happening. > I'm sure that tiny pieces of the "O" ring would be found in the filter > if this was a problem. Anyone found them or noticed damage to their > accumulator "O" ring upon disassembly? > > M > > > On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 9:08 AM Bob Spidell wrote: > > I put one in my BJ8's O/D. It's subjective*--O/Ds seem to work a > little > quicker with cold, thick oil than hot oil--but it cuts maybe a > third off > engagement time on average. I had the O/D on the bench and > disassembled, > and the current one had a scored barrel so, why not? Engagement isn't > much, if any, harsher than before which, I believe is the reason DMH > wanted the weaker, smaller spring. If I'd known about it, I might > have > bought AHSpares' with an O-ring instead. > > * I've never really 'timed' O/D functioning, it would be a bit > awkward; > anyone done it? I usually tap the clutch pedal when engaging O/D, and > give a little throttle when disengaging. I thought mine engaged a > little > quicker when I switched to synthetic fluid from engine oil, but in > all > cases confirmation bias may be involved. > > > > On 8/2/2022 8:09 PM, Joseph Costa wrote: > > Has anyone installed their upgraded overdrive piston?? 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URL: From gradea1 at charter.net Wed Aug 3 13:36:18 2022 From: gradea1 at charter.net (gradea1 at charter.net) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2022 19:36:18 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston Message-ID: <519f18752779101056fc889c22a7b3fe696ee5a5@webmail> I assemble ODs using the original metal rings and have not had any issues with pressure or engagement/disengagement. When Mr. DeNormanville stayed up in the middle of the night to engineer the operation of the unit, I think he decided that the use of softer rings (sacrificial metal) against a hardened casing was the best solution for control and wear. If a rubber o-ring was a better solution, he would have used one with the proper buna rating. I think the bigger problem, now-a-days, is the availability of the metal piston rings. Rubber O rings are a dime-a-dozen. If you contact Overdrive Spares in the UK, they should be able to supply the proper rings. If they too, have decided to go with rubber, then plan on a breakdown/rebuild in a shorter period of time than units equipped with the original parts that last a long, long time. Hank -----------------------------------------From: "Michael Salter" To: "healeys at autox.team.net" Cc: Sent: Wednesday August 3 2022 9:38:15AM Subject: Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston I have a question about the "O" ring type of accumulator. The way the accumulator works is that when it is fully charged the piston moves against the spring until the rings reach the radial holes in the wall of the housing which acts to relieve any excess pressure. My concern is that at 3 - 400 p.s.i. oil will obviously get behind the "O" ring and force the material of the "O" ring into those radial holes and then, as the piston moves back over them, a piece of the ring will shear off. I'm guessing that Laycock-DeNormanville used the complex cast iron rings rather than "O" rings because they recognized the possibility of this happening. I'm sure that tiny pieces of the "O" ring would be found in the filter if this was a problem. Anyone found them or noticed damage to their accumulator "O" ring upon disassembly? M On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 9:08 AM Bob Spidell wrote: I put one in my BJ8's O/D. It's subjective*--O/Ds seem to work a little quicker with cold, thick oil than hot oil--but it cuts maybe a third off engagement time on average. I had the O/D on the bench and disassembled, and the current one had a scored barrel so, why not? Engagement isn't much, if any, harsher than before which, I believe is the reason DMH wanted the weaker, smaller spring. If I'd known about it, I might have bought AHSpares' with an O-ring instead. * I've never really 'timed' O/D functioning, it would be a bit awkward; anyone done it? I usually tap the clutch pedal when engaging O/D, and give a little throttle when disengaging. I thought mine engaged a little quicker when I switched to synthetic fluid from engine oil, but in all cases confirmation bias may be involved. On 8/2/2022 8:09 PM, Joseph Costa wrote: > Has anyone installed their upgraded overdrive piston? If so, is it > worth the trouble ? > > Joe > BN1 #923 > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net [1]http://www.team.net/donate.html [2] Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: [3]http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys [4] [5]http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys [6] Healeys at autox.team.net [7]http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys [8] Unsubscribe/Manage: [9]http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com [10] Links: ------ [1] http://www.team.net/donate.html [2] http://www.team.net/donate.html [3] http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys [4] http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys [5] http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys [6] http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys [7] http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys [8] http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys [9] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com [10] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Wed Aug 3 19:56:33 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 18:56:33 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston In-Reply-To: <519f18752779101056fc889c22a7b3fe696ee5a5@webmail> References: <519f18752779101056fc889c22a7b3fe696ee5a5@webmail> Message-ID: The rings will score the inside of the piston housing, though not badly (photo at 205K miles). Looks like there's a side load on the piston, probably from the spring. I donated this accumulator to another owner; never heard how they worked. Moss shows the rings available (but who knows?). On 8/3/2022 12:36 PM, Henry G Leach via Healeys wrote: > I assemble ODs using the original metal rings and have not had any > issues with pressure or engagement/disengagement. > > When Mr. DeNormanville stayed up in the middle of the night to > engineer the operation of the unit,? I think he decided that the use > of softer rings (sacrificial metal) against a hardened casing was the > best solution for control and wear.? If a rubber o-ring was a better > solution, he would have used one with the proper buna rating. > > I think the bigger problem, now-a-days, is the availability of the > metal piston rings.? Rubber O rings are a dime-a-dozen. If you contact > Overdrive Spares in the UK, they should be able to supply the proper > rings.? If they too, have decided to go with rubber, then plan on a > breakdown/rebuild in a shorter period of time than units equipped with > the original parts that last a long, long time. Hank > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "Michael Salter" > To: "healeys at autox.team.net" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday August 3 2022 9:38:15AM > Subject: Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston > > I have a question about the "O" ring type of accumulator. > The way the accumulator works is that when it is fully charged the > piston moves against the spring until the rings reach the radial holes > in the wall of the housing which acts to relieve any excess pressure. > My concern is that at 3 - 400 p.s.i. oil will obviously get behind the > "O" ring and force the material of the "O" ring into those radial > holes and then, as the piston moves back over them, a piece of the > ring will shear off. > I'm guessing that Laycock-DeNormanville used the complex cast iron > rings rather than "O" rings because they recognized the possibility of > this happening. > I'm sure that tiny pieces of the "O" ring would be found in the filter > if this was a problem. Anyone found them or noticed damage to their > accumulator "O" ring upon disassembly? > > M > > > On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 9:08 AM Bob Spidell wrote: > > I put one in my BJ8's O/D. It's subjective*--O/Ds seem to work a > little > quicker with cold, thick oil than hot oil--but it cuts maybe a > third off > engagement time on average. I had the O/D on the bench and > disassembled, > and the current one had a scored barrel so, why not? Engagement isn't > much, if any, harsher than before which, I believe is the reason DMH > wanted the weaker, smaller spring. If I'd known about it, I might have > bought AHSpares' with an O-ring instead. > > * I've never really 'timed' O/D functioning, it would be a bit > awkward; > anyone done it? I usually tap the clutch pedal when engaging O/D, and > give a little throttle when disengaging. I thought mine engaged a > little > quicker when I switched to synthetic fluid from engine oil, but in all > cases confirmation bias may be involved. > > > > On 8/2/2022 8:09 PM, Joseph Costa wrote: > > Has anyone installed their upgraded overdrive piston?? If so, is it > > worth the trouble ? > > > > Joe > > BN1 #923 > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_0237.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 551191 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Thu Aug 4 07:37:31 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 06:37:31 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston In-Reply-To: References: <519f18752779101056fc889c22a7b3fe696ee5a5@webmail> Message-ID: Warren, Your accumulator piston and housing look to have a bit worse scoring than mine; I used synthetic fluid for over half the life of mine, I wonder if that made a difference? > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > This was the condition of my piston and housing with close to 200,000 > miles. Tranny was well maintained. > > The original metal rings lasted 53 years. So I guess with unknown > quality of either of todays metal vs rubber > > O rings, let the experiments begin. > > *From: *Bob Spidell > *Sent: *Wednesday, August 3, 2022 10:12 PM > *To: *healeys at autox.team.net > *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston > > The rings will score the inside of the piston housing, though not > badly (photo at 205K miles). Looks like there's a side load on the > piston, probably from the spring. > > I donated this accumulator to another owner; never heard how they > worked. Moss shows the rings available (but who knows?). > > On 8/3/2022 12:36 PM, Henry G Leach via Healeys wrote: > > I assemble ODs using the original metal rings and have not had any > issues with pressure or engagement/disengagement. > > When Mr. DeNormanville stayed up in the middle of the night to > engineer the operation of the unit,? I think he decided that the > use of softer rings (sacrificial metal) against a hardened casing > was the best solution for control and wear.? If a rubber o-ring > was a better solution, he would have used one with the proper buna > rating. > > I think the bigger problem, now-a-days, is the availability of the > metal piston rings.? Rubber O rings are a dime-a-dozen. If you > contact Overdrive Spares in the UK, they should be able to supply > the proper rings.? If they too, have decided to go with rubber, > then plan on a breakdown/rebuild in a shorter period of time than > units equipped with the original parts that last a long, long > time. Hank > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "Michael Salter" > To: "healeys at autox.team.net" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday August 3 2022 9:38:15AM > Subject: Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston > > I have a question about the "O" ring type of accumulator. > > The way the accumulator works is that when it is fully charged the > piston moves against the spring until the rings reach the radial > holes in the wall of the housing which acts to relieve any excess > pressure. > > My concern is that at 3 - 400 p.s.i. oil will obviously get behind > the "O" ring and force the material of the "O" ring into those > radial holes and then, as the piston moves back over them, a piece > of the ring will shear off. > > I'm guessing that Laycock-DeNormanville used the complex cast iron > rings rather than "O" rings because they recognized the > possibility of this happening. > > I'm sure that tiny pieces of the "O" ring would be found in the > filter if this was a problem. Anyone found them or noticed damage > to their accumulator "O" ring upon disassembly? > > M > > On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 9:08 AM Bob Spidell > wrote: > > I put one in my BJ8's O/D. It's subjective*--O/Ds seem to work > a little > quicker with cold, thick oil than hot oil--but it cuts maybe a > third off > engagement time on average. I had the O/D on the bench and > disassembled, > and the current one had a scored barrel so, why not? > Engagement isn't > much, if any, harsher than before which, I believe is the > reason DMH > wanted the weaker, smaller spring. If I'd known about it, I > might have > bought AHSpares' with an O-ring instead. > > * I've never really 'timed' O/D functioning, it would be a bit > awkward; > anyone done it? I usually tap the clutch pedal when engaging > O/D, and > give a little throttle when disengaging. I thought mine > engaged a little > quicker when I switched to synthetic fluid from engine oil, > but in all > cases confirmation bias may be involved. > > > > On 8/2/2022 8:09 PM, Joseph Costa wrote: > > Has anyone installed their upgraded overdrive piston?? If > so, is it > > worth the trouble ? > > > > Joe > > BN1 #923 > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flyhihealey at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 08:28:22 2022 From: flyhihealey at gmail.com (Warren Dietz) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 10:28:22 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston In-Reply-To: References: <519f18752779101056fc889c22a7b3fe696ee5a5@webmail> , Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelsalter at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 10:38:47 2022 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 12:38:47 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston In-Reply-To: References: <519f18752779101056fc889c22a7b3fe696ee5a5@webmail> Message-ID: Based upon my observations when the aluminium overdrive accumulator housings are scored you will invariably find that there are chips out of the non syncro 1st and reverse gears and usually badly damaged laygear rollers. Because these gearboxes were not fitted with chip gathering magnet originally the tiny hardened steel chips eventually find their way into the overdrive then through the overdrive pump gauze (because the magnets originally fitted in the overdrive have been lost by " the lube guy") and lodge in the accumulator. Those chips very quickly score the cylinder as the accumulator piston moves. If you are careful to never grind 1st or reverse no chips will be created, that will mean that they don't go through the laygear bearings or find their way into the overdrive. A magnetic plug in the gearbox is great insurance. M On Thu., Aug. 4, 2022, 12:13 p.m. Warren Dietz, wrote: > Bob, > > Interesting observation. > > Only 30/40 wt non detergent oil was used from new till 2013 at which time > I switched > > to Redline MT90 @ 181,000 miles. > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > > > *From: *Bob Spidell > *Sent: *Thursday, August 4, 2022 9:38 AM > *To: *Warren Dietz ; healeys at autox.team.net > *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston > > > > Warren, > > Your accumulator piston and housing look to have a bit worse scoring than > mine; I used synthetic fluid for over half the life of mine, I wonder if > that made a difference? > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > > > This was the condition of my piston and housing with close to 200,000 > miles. Tranny was well maintained. > > The original metal rings lasted 53 years. So I guess with unknown quality > of either of todays metal vs rubber > > O rings, let the experiments begin. > > > > > > > > *From: *Bob Spidell > *Sent: *Wednesday, August 3, 2022 10:12 PM > *To: *healeys at autox.team.net > *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston > > > > The rings will score the inside of the piston housing, though not badly > (photo at 205K miles). Looks like there's a side load on the piston, > probably from the spring. > > I donated this accumulator to another owner; never heard how they worked. > Moss shows the rings available (but who knows?). > > On 8/3/2022 12:36 PM, Henry G Leach via Healeys wrote: > > I assemble ODs using the original metal rings and have not had any issues > with pressure or engagement/disengagement. > > > > When Mr. DeNormanville stayed up in the middle of the night to engineer > the operation of the unit, I think he decided that the use of softer rings > (sacrificial metal) against a hardened casing was the best solution for > control and wear. If a rubber o-ring was a better solution, he would have > used one with the proper buna rating. > > > > I think the bigger problem, now-a-days, is the availability of the metal > piston rings. Rubber O rings are a dime-a-dozen. If you contact Overdrive > Spares in the UK, they should be able to supply the proper rings. If they > too, have decided to go with rubber, then plan on a breakdown/rebuild in a > shorter period of time than units equipped with the original parts that > last a long, long time. Hank > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "Michael Salter" > To: "healeys at autox.team.net" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday August 3 2022 9:38:15AM > Subject: Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston > > I have a question about the "O" ring type of accumulator. > > The way the accumulator works is that when it is fully charged the piston > moves against the spring until the rings reach the radial holes in the wall > of the housing which acts to relieve any excess pressure. > > My concern is that at 3 - 400 p.s.i. oil will obviously get behind the "O" > ring and force the material of the "O" ring into those radial holes and > then, as the piston moves back over them, a piece of the ring will shear > off. > > I'm guessing that Laycock-DeNormanville used the complex cast iron rings > rather than "O" rings because they recognized the possibility of this > happening. > > I'm sure that tiny pieces of the "O" ring would be found in the filter if > this was a problem. Anyone found them or noticed damage to their > accumulator "O" ring upon disassembly? > > > > M > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 9:08 AM Bob Spidell > wrote: > > I put one in my BJ8's O/D. It's subjective*--O/Ds seem to work a little > quicker with cold, thick oil than hot oil--but it cuts maybe a third off > engagement time on average. I had the O/D on the bench and disassembled, > and the current one had a scored barrel so, why not? Engagement isn't > much, if any, harsher than before which, I believe is the reason DMH > wanted the weaker, smaller spring. If I'd known about it, I might have > bought AHSpares' with an O-ring instead. > > * I've never really 'timed' O/D functioning, it would be a bit awkward; > anyone done it? I usually tap the clutch pedal when engaging O/D, and > give a little throttle when disengaging. I thought mine engaged a little > quicker when I switched to synthetic fluid from engine oil, but in all > cases confirmation bias may be involved. > > > > On 8/2/2022 8:09 PM, Joseph Costa wrote: > > Has anyone installed their upgraded overdrive piston? If so, is it > > worth the trouble ? > > > > Joe > > BN1 #923 > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Thu Aug 4 11:12:30 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 10:12:30 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston In-Reply-To: References: <519f18752779101056fc889c22a7b3fe696ee5a5@webmail> Message-ID: <92301ea0-491e-4b52-3033-24c16acd2dde@comcast.net> OK, who sells magnetic plugs for MOWOG gearboxes? I'd be willing to order from Canada ;) I don't remember exactly when I started using MT-90 in my gearbox, but it was probably around 90-100K miles. I was hoping it would make the O/D a bit more responsive, but was surprised that shifting seemed smoother (I wasn't expecting it, so little-no confirmation bias). On 8/4/2022 9:38 AM, Michael Salter wrote: > Based upon my observations when the aluminium overdrive accumulator > housings are scored you will invariably find that there are chips out > of the non syncro 1st and reverse gears and usually badly damaged > laygear rollers. > Because these gearboxes were not fitted with chip gathering magnet > originally the tiny hardened steel chips eventually find their way > into the overdrive then through the overdrive pump gauze (because the > magnets originally fitted in the overdrive have been lost by " the > lube guy") and lodge in the accumulator. > Those chips very quickly score the cylinder as the accumulator piston > moves. > If you are careful to never grind 1st or reverse no chips will be > created, that will mean that they don't go through the laygear > bearings or find their way into the overdrive. > A magnetic plug in the gearbox is great insurance. > > M > > On Thu., Aug. 4, 2022, 12:13 p.m. Warren Dietz, > wrote: > > Bob, > > Interesting observation. > > Only 30/40 wt non detergent oil was used from new till 2013? at > which time I switched > > to Redline MT90 @ 181,000 miles. > > Sent from Mail > for Windows > > *From: *Bob Spidell > *Sent: *Thursday, August 4, 2022 9:38 AM > *To: *Warren Dietz ; > healeys at autox.team.net > *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston > > Warren, > > Your accumulator piston and housing look to have a bit worse > scoring than mine; I used synthetic fluid for over half the life > of mine, I wonder if that made a difference? > > > > Sent from Mail > for Windows > > This was the condition of my piston and housing with close to > 200,000 miles. Tranny was well maintained. > > The original metal rings lasted 53 years. So I guess with > unknown quality of either of todays metal vs rubber > > O rings, let the experiments begin. > > *From: *Bob Spidell > *Sent: *Wednesday, August 3, 2022 10:12 PM > *To: *healeys at autox.team.net > *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston > > The rings will score the inside of the piston housing, though > not badly (photo at 205K miles). Looks like there's a side > load on the piston, probably from the spring. > > I donated this accumulator to another owner; never heard how > they worked. Moss shows the rings available (but who knows?). > > On 8/3/2022 12:36 PM, Henry G Leach via Healeys wrote: > > I assemble ODs using the original metal rings and have not > had any issues with pressure or engagement/disengagement. > > When Mr. DeNormanville stayed up in the middle of the > night to engineer the operation of the unit,? I think he > decided that the use of softer rings (sacrificial metal) > against a hardened casing was the best solution for > control and wear.? If a rubber o-ring was a better > solution, he would have used one with the proper buna rating. > > I think the bigger problem, now-a-days, is the > availability of the metal piston rings.? Rubber O rings > are a dime-a-dozen.? If you contact Overdrive Spares in > the UK, they should be able to supply the proper rings.? > If they too, have decided to go with rubber, then plan on > a breakdown/rebuild in a shorter period of time than units > equipped with the original parts that last a long, long > time. Hank > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "Michael Salter" > To: "healeys at autox.team.net" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday August 3 2022 9:38:15AM > Subject: Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston > > I have a question about the "O" ring type of accumulator. > > The way the accumulator works is that when it is fully > charged the piston moves against the spring until the > rings reach the radial holes in the wall of the housing > which acts to relieve any excess pressure. > > My concern is that at 3 - 400 p.s.i. oil will obviously > get behind the "O" ring and force the material of the "O" > ring into those radial holes and then, as the piston moves > back over them, a piece of the ring will shear off. > > I'm guessing that Laycock-DeNormanville used the complex > cast iron rings rather than "O" rings because they > recognized the possibility of this happening. > > I'm sure that tiny pieces of the "O" ring would be found > in the filter if this was a problem. Anyone found them or > noticed damage to their accumulator "O" ring upon disassembly? > > M > > On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 9:08 AM Bob Spidell > wrote: > > I put one in my BJ8's O/D. It's subjective*--O/Ds seem > to work a little > quicker with cold, thick oil than hot oil--but it cuts > maybe a third off > engagement time on average. I had the O/D on the bench > and disassembled, > and the current one had a scored barrel so, why not? > Engagement isn't > much, if any, harsher than before which, I believe is > the reason DMH > wanted the weaker, smaller spring. If I'd known about > it, I might have > bought AHSpares' with an O-ring instead. > > * I've never really 'timed' O/D functioning, it would > be a bit awkward; > anyone done it? I usually tap the clutch pedal when > engaging O/D, and > give a little throttle when disengaging. I thought > mine engaged a little > quicker when I switched to synthetic fluid from engine > oil, but in all > cases confirmation bias may be involved. > > > > On 8/2/2022 8:09 PM, Joseph Costa wrote: > > Has anyone installed their upgraded overdrive > piston?? If so, is it > > worth the trouble ? > > > > Joe > > BN1 #923 > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca Thu Aug 4 12:26:34 2022 From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 14:26:34 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] nothing coming through Message-ID: <012401d8a82f$baf13990$30d3acb0$@sympatico.ca> Hi guys, I have seen other post this from time to time and now it is my turn. I have had nothing come through on the list for over a week. Any suggestions? Cheers, Mirek -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Thu Aug 4 14:45:19 2022 From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 21:45:19 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston In-Reply-To: <92301ea0-491e-4b52-3033-24c16acd2dde@comcast.net> References: <519f18752779101056fc889c22a7b3fe696ee5a5@webmail> <92301ea0-491e-4b52-3033-24c16acd2dde@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000001d8a843$23a7e2f0$6af7a8d0$@alexarevel.plus.com> From: Healeys <> On Behalf Of Bob Spidell Sent: 04 August 2022 18:13 To: Michael Salter ; Warren Dietz Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston OK, who sells magnetic plugs for MOWOG gearboxes? I'd be willing to order from Canada >> See attached. I replaced the so-called ?2nd type? with the previous type which is the brass hex nut with filter which bolts into a bolt in the bottom of the pump. (I think that big flat plug in the 2nd type is a wretched thing. Why did they do it? The hex is much easier.) Once you?ve got that sorted out you can buy 2 or 3 of the magnetic rings that sit in there. Per:- MAGNETIC WASHER - DRAIN PLUG (ahead4healeys.co.uk) As to overdrive pistons, I had a fairly torrid time with those quite recently. I should be inclined to ask Dave Twigger at Overdrive Spares. I?m pretty sure that he sells all types ie the AHSpares version, the original type and ? I think ? the DW type. He supplies them to all and sundry. Ask him which he thinks is best for your application. I didn?t see the washer inside the piston casing in any of the photos. Most people insert them these days and I think they claim an extra 20 or so PSI. Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Pages from BMC Service Parts List (with my notes).jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 573515 bytes Desc: not available URL: From michaelsalter at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 14:57:56 2022 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 16:57:56 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston In-Reply-To: <000001d8a843$23a7e2f0$6af7a8d0$@alexarevel.plus.com> References: <519f18752779101056fc889c22a7b3fe696ee5a5@webmail> <92301ea0-491e-4b52-3033-24c16acd2dde@comcast.net> <000001d8a843$23a7e2f0$6af7a8d0$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: I've never seen them for sale. I mill a 3/8" depression in the business end of the original plug and squeeze a small disc magnet into it using J B Weld for extra security. M On Thu., Aug. 4, 2022, 4:45 p.m. , wrote: > > > > > *From:* Healeys <> *On Behalf Of *Bob Spidell > *Sent:* 04 August 2022 18:13 > *To:* Michael Salter ; Warren Dietz < > flyhihealey at gmail.com> > *Cc:* healeys at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston > > > > OK, who sells magnetic plugs for MOWOG gearboxes? I'd be willing to order > from Canada > > >> See attached. I replaced the so-called ?2nd type? with the previous > type which is the brass hex nut with filter which bolts into a bolt in the > bottom of the pump. (I think that big flat plug in the 2nd type is a > wretched thing. Why did they do it? The hex is much easier.) > > Once you?ve got that sorted out you can buy 2 or 3 of the magnetic rings > that sit in there. Per:- MAGNETIC WASHER - DRAIN PLUG > (ahead4healeys.co.uk) > > > As to overdrive pistons, I had a fairly torrid time with those quite > recently. I should be inclined to ask Dave Twigger at Overdrive Spares. I?m > pretty sure that he sells all types ie the AHSpares version, the original > type and ? I think ? the DW type. He supplies them to all and sundry. Ask > him which he thinks is best for your application. > > I didn?t see the washer inside the piston casing in any of the photos. > Most people insert them these days and I think they claim an extra 20 or so > PSI. > > Simon > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rchaskell at earthlink.net Thu Aug 4 15:27:55 2022 From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 17:27:55 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston In-Reply-To: <92301ea0-491e-4b52-3033-24c16acd2dde@comcast.net> References: <519f18752779101056fc889c22a7b3fe696ee5a5@webmail> <92301ea0-491e-4b52-3033-24c16acd2dde@comcast.net> Message-ID: Might be something here that would work: https://www.lislecorp.com/oem-products-division/magnetic-plugs/pipe-thread/ Cheers, Bob Haskell Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar On 8/4/22 1:12 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: > OK, who sells magnetic plugs for MOWOG gearboxes? I'd be willing to > order from Canada ;) > > I don't remember exactly when I started using MT-90 in my gearbox, but > it was probably around 90-100K miles. I was hoping it would make the > O/D a bit more responsive, but was surprised that shifting seemed > smoother (I wasn't expecting it, so little-no confirmation bias). > > > On 8/4/2022 9:38 AM, Michael Salter wrote: >> Based upon my observations when the aluminium overdrive accumulator >> housings are scored you will invariably find that there are chips out >> of the non syncro 1st and reverse gears and usually badly damaged >> laygear rollers. >> Because these gearboxes were not fitted with chip gathering magnet >> originally the tiny hardened steel chips eventually find their way >> into the overdrive then through the overdrive pump gauze (because the >> magnets originally fitted in the overdrive have been lost by " the >> lube guy") and lodge in the accumulator. >> Those chips very quickly score the cylinder as the accumulator piston >> moves. >> If you are careful to never grind 1st or reverse no chips will be >> created, that will mean that they don't go through the laygear >> bearings or find their way into the overdrive. >> A magnetic plug in the gearbox is great insurance. >> >> M >> >> On Thu., Aug. 4, 2022, 12:13 p.m. Warren Dietz, >> wrote: >> >> Bob, >> >> Interesting observation. >> >> Only 30/40 wt non detergent oil was used from new till 2013? at >> which time I switched >> >> to Redline MT90 @ 181,000 miles. >> >> Sent from Mail >> for Windows >> >> *From: *Bob Spidell >> *Sent: *Thursday, August 4, 2022 9:38 AM >> *To: *Warren Dietz ; >> healeys at autox.team.net >> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston >> >> Warren, >> >> Your accumulator piston and housing look to have a bit worse >> scoring than mine; I used synthetic fluid for over half the life >> of mine, I wonder if that made a difference? >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail >> for Windows >> >> This was the condition of my piston and housing with close to >> 200,000 miles. Tranny was well maintained. >> >> The original metal rings lasted 53 years. So I guess with >> unknown quality of either of todays metal vs rubber >> >> O rings, let the experiments begin. >> >> *From: *Bob Spidell >> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 3, 2022 10:12 PM >> *To: *healeys at autox.team.net >> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston >> >> The rings will score the inside of the piston housing, though >> not badly (photo at 205K miles). Looks like there's a side >> load on the piston, probably from the spring. >> >> I donated this accumulator to another owner; never heard how >> they worked. Moss shows the rings available (but who knows?). >> >> On 8/3/2022 12:36 PM, Henry G Leach via Healeys wrote: >> >> I assemble ODs using the original metal rings and have >> not had any issues with pressure or >> engagement/disengagement. >> >> When Mr. DeNormanville stayed up in the middle of the >> night to engineer the operation of the unit,? I think he >> decided that the use of softer rings (sacrificial metal) >> against a hardened casing was the best solution for >> control and wear.? If a rubber o-ring was a better >> solution, he would have used one with the proper buna rating. >> >> I think the bigger problem, now-a-days, is the >> availability of the metal piston rings.? Rubber O rings >> are a dime-a-dozen.? If you contact Overdrive Spares in >> the UK, they should be able to supply the proper rings.? >> If they too, have decided to go with rubber, then plan on >> a breakdown/rebuild in a shorter period of time than >> units equipped with the original parts that last a long, >> long time. Hank >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> From: "Michael Salter" >> To: "healeys at autox.team.net" >> Cc: >> Sent: Wednesday August 3 2022 9:38:15AM >> Subject: Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston >> >> I have a question about the "O" ring type of accumulator. >> >> The way the accumulator works is that when it is fully >> charged the piston moves against the spring until the >> rings reach the radial holes in the wall of the housing >> which acts to relieve any excess pressure. >> >> My concern is that at 3 - 400 p.s.i. oil will obviously >> get behind the "O" ring and force the material of the "O" >> ring into those radial holes and then, as the piston >> moves back over them, a piece of the ring will shear off. >> >> I'm guessing that Laycock-DeNormanville used the complex >> cast iron rings rather than "O" rings because they >> recognized the possibility of this happening. >> >> I'm sure that tiny pieces of the "O" ring would be found >> in the filter if this was a problem. Anyone found them or >> noticed damage to their accumulator "O" ring upon >> disassembly? >> >> M >> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 9:08 AM Bob Spidell >> wrote: >> >> I put one in my BJ8's O/D. It's subjective*--O/Ds >> seem to work a little >> quicker with cold, thick oil than hot oil--but it >> cuts maybe a third off >> engagement time on average. I had the O/D on the >> bench and disassembled, >> and the current one had a scored barrel so, why not? >> Engagement isn't >> much, if any, harsher than before which, I believe is >> the reason DMH >> wanted the weaker, smaller spring. If I'd known about >> it, I might have >> bought AHSpares' with an O-ring instead. >> >> * I've never really 'timed' O/D functioning, it would >> be a bit awkward; >> anyone done it? I usually tap the clutch pedal when >> engaging O/D, and >> give a little throttle when disengaging. I thought >> mine engaged a little >> quicker when I switched to synthetic fluid from >> engine oil, but in all >> cases confirmation bias may be involved. >> >> >> >> On 8/2/2022 8:09 PM, Joseph Costa wrote: >> > Has anyone installed their upgraded overdrive >> piston?? If so, is it >> > worth the trouble ? >> > >> > Joe >> > BN1 #923 >> > >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net > From phoenix722 at comcast.net Thu Aug 4 15:57:38 2022 From: phoenix722 at comcast.net (Mike Sinclair) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 14:57:38 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] nothing coming through In-Reply-To: <012401d8a82f$baf13990$30d3acb0$@sympatico.ca> References: <012401d8a82f$baf13990$30d3acb0$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: The List requires you to drive your Healey regularly. :) On 8/4/2022 11:26 AM, m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca wrote: > > Hi guys, I have seen other post this from time to time and now it is > my turn.? I have had nothing come through on the list for over a > week.? Any suggestions? > > Cheers, Mirek > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Nethttp://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/phoenix722 at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Thu Aug 4 17:24:02 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 16:24:02 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston In-Reply-To: References: <519f18752779101056fc889c22a7b3fe696ee5a5@webmail> <92301ea0-491e-4b52-3033-24c16acd2dde@comcast.net> <000001d8a843$23a7e2f0$6af7a8d0$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: <648a323c-be95-bc47-5976-def589b31272@comcast.net> Perhaps one of the exotic metal, 'high-strength' magnets just slapped on the outside of the plug? People sell magnet bands to go around spin-on oil filters. On 8/4/2022 1:57 PM, Michael Salter wrote: > I've never seen them for sale. I mill a 3/8" depression in the > business end of the original plug and squeeze a small disc magnet into > it using J B Weld for extra security. > > M > > On Thu., Aug. 4, 2022, 4:45 p.m. , > wrote: > > *From:*Healeys <> *On Behalf Of *Bob Spidell > *Sent:* 04 August 2022 18:13 > *To:* Michael Salter ; Warren Dietz > > *Cc:* healeys at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston > > OK, who sells magnetic plugs for MOWOG gearboxes? I'd be willing > to order from Canada > > >> See attached.? I replaced the so-called ?2^nd type? with the previous type which is the > brass hex nut with filter which bolts into a bolt in the bottom of > the pump. (I think that big flat plug in the 2^nd type is a > wretched thing. Why did they do it? The hex is much easier.) > > Once you?ve got that sorted out you can buy 2 or 3 of the magnetic > rings that sit in there. Per:- MAGNETIC WASHER - DRAIN PLUG > (ahead4healeys.co.uk) > > > As to overdrive pistons, I had a fairly torrid time with those > quite recently. I should be inclined to ask Dave Twigger at > Overdrive Spares. I?m pretty sure that he sells all types ie the > AHSpares version, the original type and ? I think ? the DW type. > He supplies them to all and sundry. Ask him which he thinks is > best for your application. > > I didn?t see the washer inside the piston casing in any of the > photos. Most people insert them these days and I think they claim > an extra 20 or so PSI. > > Simon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com Thu Aug 4 21:52:00 2022 From: vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com (Jean Caron) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 03:52:00 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston In-Reply-To: <648a323c-be95-bc47-5976-def589b31272@comcast.net> References: <519f18752779101056fc889c22a7b3fe696ee5a5@webmail> <92301ea0-491e-4b52-3033-24c16acd2dde@comcast.net> <000001d8a843$23a7e2f0$6af7a8d0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <648a323c-be95-bc47-5976-def589b31272@comcast.net> Message-ID: Bob, AH Spares sells a magnetic washer for the overdrive. I have often seen, mostly on the late model overdrive three or four magnetic washers inside the brass drain plug, but they were of the flexible type, very much like thick fridge magnet that yu get from Real Estate Agent or the likes. You can purchase that stuff by the sheet at Staples in various thickness, so that is what I have done in the past and it seems to work. Jean Sent from Mail for Windows From: Bob Spidell Sent: August 4, 2022 9:26 PM To: Michael Salter; Simon Lachlan Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston Perhaps one of the exotic metal, 'high-strength' magnets just slapped on the outside of the plug? People sell magnet bands to go around spin-on oil filters. On 8/4/2022 1:57 PM, Michael Salter wrote: I've never seen them for sale. I mill a 3/8" depression in the business end of the original plug and squeeze a small disc magnet into it using J B Weld for extra security. M On Thu., Aug. 4, 2022, 4:45 p.m. , > wrote: From: Healeys <> On Behalf Of Bob Spidell Sent: 04 August 2022 18:13 To: Michael Salter >; Warren Dietz > Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston OK, who sells magnetic plugs for MOWOG gearboxes? I'd be willing to order from Canada >> See attached. I replaced the so-called ?2nd type? with the previous type which is the brass hex nut with filter which bolts into a bolt in the bottom of the pump. (I think that big flat plug in the 2nd type is a wretched thing. Why did they do it? The hex is much easier.) Once you?ve got that sorted out you can buy 2 or 3 of the magnetic rings that sit in there. Per:- MAGNETIC WASHER - DRAIN PLUG (ahead4healeys.co.uk) As to overdrive pistons, I had a fairly torrid time with those quite recently. I should be inclined to ask Dave Twigger at Overdrive Spares. I?m pretty sure that he sells all types ie the AHSpares version, the original type and ? I think ? the DW type. He supplies them to all and sundry. Ask him which he thinks is best for your application. I didn?t see the washer inside the piston casing in any of the photos. Most people insert them these days and I think they claim an extra 20 or so PSI. Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gradea1 at charter.net Thu Aug 4 22:51:27 2022 From: gradea1 at charter.net (gradea1 at charter.net) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2022 04:51:27 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston Message-ID: <91e9d08a748d2d784df973153379a5287594f3ec@webmail> I checked with David at OD Spares as to availability. Here is his response: Hi Hank we use both styles the steel piston rings are all still available as are new pistons and the aluminium housing they both work equally wellWe can supply any of your overdrive requirements best regards Dave _OVERDRIVE SPARES__10 ARCHES BUSINESS CENTRE__MILL ROAD__RUGBY__WARWICKSHIRE__CV21 1QW__ENGLAND_ _EMAIL: ODSPARES at AOL.COM__TELEPHONE NUMBER: 01788 540666__FAX NUMBER: 01788 570777__WEB: WWW.ODSPARES.COM_ -----------------------------------------From: "Bob Spidell" To: healeys at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday August 3 2022 7:15:22PM Subject: Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston The rings will score the inside of the piston housing, though not badly (photo at 205K miles). Looks like there's a side load on the piston, probably from the spring. I donated this accumulator to another owner; never heard how they worked. Moss shows the rings available (but who knows?). On 8/3/2022 12:36 PM, Henry G Leach via Healeys wrote: I assemble ODs using the original metal rings and have not had any issues with pressure or engagement/disengagement. When Mr. DeNormanville stayed up in the middle of the night to engineer the operation of the unit, I think he decided that the use of softer rings (sacrificial metal) against a hardened casing was the best solution for control and wear. If a rubber o-ring was a better solution, he would have used one with the proper buna rating. I think the bigger problem, now-a-days, is the availability of the metal piston rings. Rubber O rings are a dime-a-dozen. If you contact Overdrive Spares in the UK, they should be able to supply the proper rings. If they too, have decided to go with rubber, then plan on a breakdown/rebuild in a shorter period of time than units equipped with the original parts that last a long, long time. Hank ----------------------------------------- From: "Michael Salter" To: "healeys at autox.team.net" Cc: Sent: Wednesday August 3 2022 9:38:15AM Subject: Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston I have a question about the "O" ring type of accumulator. The way the accumulator works is that when it is fully charged the piston moves against the spring until the rings reach the radial holes in the wall of the housing which acts to relieve any excess pressure. My concern is that at 3 - 400 p.s.i. oil will obviously get behind the "O" ring and force the material of the "O" ring into those radial holes and then, as the piston moves back over them, a piece of the ring will shear off. I'm guessing that Laycock-DeNormanville used the complex cast iron rings rather than "O" rings because they recognized the possibility of this happening. I'm sure that tiny pieces of the "O" ring would be found in the filter if this was a problem. Anyone found them or noticed damage to their accumulator "O" ring upon disassembly? M On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 9:08 AM Bob Spidell wrote: I put one in my BJ8's O/D. It's subjective*--O/Ds seem to work a little quicker with cold, thick oil than hot oil--but it cuts maybe a third off engagement time on average. I had the O/D on the bench and disassembled, and the current one had a scored barrel so, why not? Engagement isn't much, if any, harsher than before which, I believe is the reason DMH wanted the weaker, smaller spring. If I'd known about it, I might have bought AHSpares' with an O-ring instead. * I've never really 'timed' O/D functioning, it would be a bit awkward; anyone done it? I usually tap the clutch pedal when engaging O/D, and give a little throttle when disengaging. I thought mine engaged a little quicker when I switched to synthetic fluid from engine oil, but in all cases confirmation bias may be involved. 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URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Fri Aug 5 07:32:05 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 06:32:05 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston In-Reply-To: References: <519f18752779101056fc889c22a7b3fe696ee5a5@webmail> <92301ea0-491e-4b52-3033-24c16acd2dde@comcast.net> <000001d8a843$23a7e2f0$6af7a8d0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <648a323c-be95-bc47-5976-def589b31272@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Jean, I think Michael was referring to a magnetic plug for the gearbox; presumably, this would keep some of the swarf from chipped gears from getting to the O/D. I have the flexible magnets in the O/D plug. Bob // On 8/4/2022 8:52 PM, Jean Caron wrote: > > Bob, > > AH Spares sells a magnetic washer for the overdrive. I have often > seen, mostly on the late model overdrive three or four magnetic > washers inside the brass drain plug, but they were of the flexible > type, very much like thick fridge magnet that yu get from Real Estate > Agent or the likes. You can purchase that stuff by the sheet at > Staples in various thickness, so that is what I have done in the past > and it seems to work. > > Jean > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > *From: *Bob Spidell > *Sent: *August 4, 2022 9:26 PM > *To: *Michael Salter ; Simon Lachlan > > *Cc: *healeys at autox.team.net > *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston > > Perhaps one of the exotic metal, 'high-strength' magnets just slapped > on the outside of the plug? People sell magnet bands to go around > spin-on oil filters. > > > On 8/4/2022 1:57 PM, Michael Salter wrote: > > I've never seen them for sale. I mill a 3/8" depression in the > business end of the original plug and squeeze a small disc magnet > into it using J B Weld for extra security. > > M > > On Thu., Aug. 4, 2022, 4:45 p.m. , > wrote: > > *From:*Healeys <> *On Behalf Of *Bob Spidell > *Sent:* 04 August 2022 18:13 > *To:* Michael Salter ; Warren Dietz > > *Cc:* healeys at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston > > OK, who sells magnetic plugs for MOWOG gearboxes? I'd be > willing to order from Canada > > >> See attached.? I replaced the so-called ?2^nd type? with the previous type > which is the brass hex nut with filter which bolts into a bolt > in the bottom of the pump. (I think that big flat plug in the > 2^nd type is a wretched thing. Why did they do it? The hex is > much easier.) > > Once you?ve got that sorted out you can buy 2 or 3 of the > magnetic rings that sit in there. Per:- MAGNETIC WASHER - > DRAIN PLUG (ahead4healeys.co.uk) > > > As to overdrive pistons, I had a fairly torrid time with those > quite recently. I should be inclined to ask Dave Twigger at > Overdrive Spares. I?m pretty sure that he sells all types ie > the AHSpares version, the original type and ? I think ? the DW > type. He supplies them to all and sundry. Ask him which he > thinks is best for your application. > > I didn?t see the washer inside the piston casing in any of the > photos. Most people insert them these days and I think they > claim an extra 20 or so PSI. > > Simon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ahbn6 at verizon.net Thu Aug 4 18:50:41 2022 From: ahbn6 at verizon.net (ahbn6 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 20:50:41 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston In-Reply-To: References: <519f18752779101056fc889c22a7b3fe696ee5a5@webmail> <92301ea0-491e-4b52-3033-24c16acd2dde@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003001d8a865$63570440$2a050cc0$@verizon.net> Look at the Moss catalogue. They are listed there. I had them om my bn6 (which had a tranny out of a BJ8)) John Sims www.healey6.com Matawan, NJ -----Original Message----- From: Healeys On Behalf Of Bob Haskell Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2022 5:28 PM To: Bob Spidell ; Michael Salter ; Warren Dietz Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston Might be something here that would work: https://www.lislecorp.com/oem-products-division/magnetic-plugs/pipe-thread/ Cheers, Bob Haskell Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar On 8/4/22 1:12 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: > OK, who sells magnetic plugs for MOWOG gearboxes? I'd be willing to > order from Canada ;) > > I don't remember exactly when I started using MT-90 in my gearbox, but > it was probably around 90-100K miles. I was hoping it would make the > O/D a bit more responsive, but was surprised that shifting seemed > smoother (I wasn't expecting it, so little-no confirmation bias). > > > On 8/4/2022 9:38 AM, Michael Salter wrote: >> Based upon my observations when the aluminium overdrive accumulator >> housings are scored you will invariably find that there are chips out >> of the non syncro 1st and reverse gears and usually badly damaged >> laygear rollers. >> Because these gearboxes were not fitted with chip gathering magnet >> originally the tiny hardened steel chips eventually find their way >> into the overdrive then through the overdrive pump gauze (because the >> magnets originally fitted in the overdrive have been lost by " the >> lube guy") and lodge in the accumulator. >> Those chips very quickly score the cylinder as the accumulator piston >> moves. >> If you are careful to never grind 1st or reverse no chips will be >> created, that will mean that they don't go through the laygear >> bearings or find their way into the overdrive. >> A magnetic plug in the gearbox is great insurance. >> >> M >> >> On Thu., Aug. 4, 2022, 12:13 p.m. Warren Dietz, >> wrote: >> >> Bob, >> >> Interesting observation. >> >> Only 30/40 wt non detergent oil was used from new till 2013 at >> which time I switched >> >> to Redline MT90 @ 181,000 miles. >> >> Sent from Mail >> for Windows >> >> *From: *Bob Spidell >> *Sent: *Thursday, August 4, 2022 9:38 AM >> *To: *Warren Dietz ; >> healeys at autox.team.net >> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston >> >> Warren, >> >> Your accumulator piston and housing look to have a bit worse >> scoring than mine; I used synthetic fluid for over half the life >> of mine, I wonder if that made a difference? >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail >> for Windows >> >> This was the condition of my piston and housing with close to >> 200,000 miles. Tranny was well maintained. >> >> The original metal rings lasted 53 years. So I guess with >> unknown quality of either of todays metal vs rubber >> >> O rings, let the experiments begin. >> >> *From: *Bob Spidell >> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 3, 2022 10:12 PM >> *To: *healeys at autox.team.net >> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston >> >> The rings will score the inside of the piston housing, though >> not badly (photo at 205K miles). Looks like there's a side >> load on the piston, probably from the spring. >> >> I donated this accumulator to another owner; never heard how >> they worked. Moss shows the rings available (but who knows?). >> >> On 8/3/2022 12:36 PM, Henry G Leach via Healeys wrote: >> >> I assemble ODs using the original metal rings and have >> not had any issues with pressure or >> engagement/disengagement. >> >> When Mr. DeNormanville stayed up in the middle of the >> night to engineer the operation of the unit, I think he >> decided that the use of softer rings (sacrificial metal) >> against a hardened casing was the best solution for >> control and wear. If a rubber o-ring was a better >> solution, he would have used one with the proper buna rating. >> >> I think the bigger problem, now-a-days, is the >> availability of the metal piston rings. Rubber O rings >> are a dime-a-dozen. If you contact Overdrive Spares in >> the UK, they should be able to supply the proper rings. >> If they too, have decided to go with rubber, then plan on >> a breakdown/rebuild in a shorter period of time than >> units equipped with the original parts that last a long, >> long time. Hank >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> From: "Michael Salter" >> To: "healeys at autox.team.net" >> Cc: >> Sent: Wednesday August 3 2022 9:38:15AM >> Subject: Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston >> >> I have a question about the "O" ring type of accumulator. >> >> The way the accumulator works is that when it is fully >> charged the piston moves against the spring until the >> rings reach the radial holes in the wall of the housing >> which acts to relieve any excess pressure. >> >> My concern is that at 3 - 400 p.s.i. oil will obviously >> get behind the "O" ring and force the material of the "O" >> ring into those radial holes and then, as the piston >> moves back over them, a piece of the ring will shear off. >> >> I'm guessing that Laycock-DeNormanville used the complex >> cast iron rings rather than "O" rings because they >> recognized the possibility of this happening. >> >> I'm sure that tiny pieces of the "O" ring would be found >> in the filter if this was a problem. Anyone found them or >> noticed damage to their accumulator "O" ring upon >> disassembly? >> >> M >> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 9:08 AM Bob Spidell >> wrote: >> >> I put one in my BJ8's O/D. It's subjective*--O/Ds >> seem to work a little >> quicker with cold, thick oil than hot oil--but it >> cuts maybe a third off >> engagement time on average. I had the O/D on the >> bench and disassembled, >> and the current one had a scored barrel so, why not? >> Engagement isn't >> much, if any, harsher than before which, I believe is >> the reason DMH >> wanted the weaker, smaller spring. If I'd known about >> it, I might have >> bought AHSpares' with an O-ring instead. >> >> * I've never really 'timed' O/D functioning, it would >> be a bit awkward; >> anyone done it? I usually tap the clutch pedal when >> engaging O/D, and >> give a little throttle when disengaging. I thought >> mine engaged a little >> quicker when I switched to synthetic fluid from >> engine oil, but in all >> cases confirmation bias may be involved. >> >> >> >> On 8/2/2022 8:09 PM, Joseph Costa wrote: >> > Has anyone installed their upgraded overdrive >> piston? If so, is it >> > worth the trouble ? >> > >> > Joe >> > BN1 #923 >> > >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual > donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ahbn6 at verizon.net From mark at bradakis.com Fri Aug 5 11:21:48 2022 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 11:21:48 -0600 Subject: [Healeys] nothing coming through In-Reply-To: <012401d8a82f$baf13990$30d3acb0$@sympatico.ca> References: <012401d8a82f$baf13990$30d3acb0$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <476ad0c4-5e8c-9f45-bb0d-79bbbfaccba6@bradakis.com> On 8/4/22 12:26 PM, m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca wrote: > > Hi guys, I have seen other post this from time to time and now it is > my turn.? I have had nothing come through on the list for over a > week.? Any suggestions? > > Cheers, Mirek > > You are on the list, the mail is getting sent out, your ISP doesn't respod: Aug? 5 11:18:16 autox postfix/smtp[29352]: connect to sympatico.ca[104.225.12.29]:25: Connection timed out Aug? 5 11:18:16 autox postfix/smtp[29352]: F3D5CA13D1: to=, relay=none, delay=80281, delays=8 mjb. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sentenac.rw at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 21:06:04 2022 From: sentenac.rw at gmail.com (Roland Wilhelmy) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 20:06:04 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Wiring Harness Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sure. Rhode Island Wiring. Not cheap but top quality and originality. -Roland On Fri, Aug 5, 2022, 6:53 PM HealeyRick wrote: > Hi all, > > After my recent BJ7 nasty boy fire in the engine compartment, I need a new > wiring harness. The wiring in the car is original with a couple of minor > changes I'd like to keep original cloth braiding on the wires. Anyone > recommend a good source? > > Thanks, > Rick Neville > with a really hot Healey > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/sentenac.rw at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Fri Aug 5 21:43:44 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 20:43:44 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Wiring Harness Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd start with either British Wiring or Autosparks: http://www.britishwiring.com/Austin-Healey-s/4.htm https://www.autosparks.co.uk/finder/car/austin+healey I got all mine from Moss, but I'll bet they source from one of these. On 8/5/2022 4:45 AM, HealeyRick wrote: > Hi all, > > After my recent BJ7 nasty boy fire in the engine compartment, I need a > new wiring harness.? The wiring in the car is original with a couple > of minor changes? ?I'd like to keep original cloth braiding on the > wires.? Anyone recommend a good source? > > Thanks, > Rick Neville > with a really hot Healey > From springer.mike51 at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 22:26:57 2022 From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 21:26:57 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Wiring Harness Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: British wiring or if money is no object Rhode Island Wiring. Mike M On Fri, Aug 5, 2022, 6:45 PM HealeyRick wrote: > Hi all, > > After my recent BJ7 nasty boy fire in the engine compartment, I need a new > wiring harness. The wiring in the car is original with a couple of minor > changes I'd like to keep original cloth braiding on the wires. Anyone > recommend a good source? > > Thanks, > Rick Neville > with a really hot Healey > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From springer.mike51 at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 02:03:23 2022 From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 01:03:23 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston In-Reply-To: <003001d8a865$63570440$2a050cc0$@verizon.net> References: <519f18752779101056fc889c22a7b3fe696ee5a5@webmail> <92301ea0-491e-4b52-3033-24c16acd2dde@comcast.net> <003001d8a865$63570440$2a050cc0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: When my BN2 transmission was rebuilt, the mechanic installed a Triumph TR2/3 overdrive piston. I don't know if it was new old stock or he ordered it from Moss, but the BN2 and Triumph TR2/3 overdrive piston have the same part number in the catalog. Mike MacLean On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 9:31 PM ahbn6--- via Healeys wrote: > Look at the Moss catalogue. They are listed there. I had them om my bn6 > (which had a tranny out of a BJ8)) > > John Sims > www.healey6.com > Matawan, NJ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Healeys On Behalf Of Bob Haskell > Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2022 5:28 PM > To: Bob Spidell ; Michael Salter < > michaelsalter at gmail.com>; Warren Dietz > Cc: healeys at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston > > Might be something here that would work: > https://www.lislecorp.com/oem-products-division/magnetic-plugs/pipe-thread/ > > Cheers, > > Bob Haskell > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > > On 8/4/22 1:12 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: > > OK, who sells magnetic plugs for MOWOG gearboxes? I'd be willing to > > order from Canada ;) > > > > I don't remember exactly when I started using MT-90 in my gearbox, but > > it was probably around 90-100K miles. I was hoping it would make the > > O/D a bit more responsive, but was surprised that shifting seemed > > smoother (I wasn't expecting it, so little-no confirmation bias). > > > > > > On 8/4/2022 9:38 AM, Michael Salter wrote: > >> Based upon my observations when the aluminium overdrive accumulator > >> housings are scored you will invariably find that there are chips out > >> of the non syncro 1st and reverse gears and usually badly damaged > >> laygear rollers. > >> Because these gearboxes were not fitted with chip gathering magnet > >> originally the tiny hardened steel chips eventually find their way > >> into the overdrive then through the overdrive pump gauze (because the > >> magnets originally fitted in the overdrive have been lost by " the > >> lube guy") and lodge in the accumulator. > >> Those chips very quickly score the cylinder as the accumulator piston > >> moves. > >> If you are careful to never grind 1st or reverse no chips will be > >> created, that will mean that they don't go through the laygear > >> bearings or find their way into the overdrive. > >> A magnetic plug in the gearbox is great insurance. > >> > >> M > >> > >> On Thu., Aug. 4, 2022, 12:13 p.m. Warren Dietz, > >> wrote: > >> > >> Bob, > >> > >> Interesting observation. > >> > >> Only 30/40 wt non detergent oil was used from new till 2013 at > >> which time I switched > >> > >> to Redline MT90 @ 181,000 miles. > >> > >> Sent from Mail > >> for Windows > >> > >> *From: *Bob Spidell > >> *Sent: *Thursday, August 4, 2022 9:38 AM > >> *To: *Warren Dietz ; > >> healeys at autox.team.net > >> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston > >> > >> Warren, > >> > >> Your accumulator piston and housing look to have a bit worse > >> scoring than mine; I used synthetic fluid for over half the life > >> of mine, I wonder if that made a difference? > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from Mail > >> for Windows > >> > >> This was the condition of my piston and housing with close to > >> 200,000 miles. Tranny was well maintained. > >> > >> The original metal rings lasted 53 years. So I guess with > >> unknown quality of either of todays metal vs rubber > >> > >> O rings, let the experiments begin. > >> > >> *From: *Bob Spidell > >> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 3, 2022 10:12 PM > >> *To: *healeys at autox.team.net > >> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston > >> > >> The rings will score the inside of the piston housing, though > >> not badly (photo at 205K miles). Looks like there's a side > >> load on the piston, probably from the spring. > >> > >> I donated this accumulator to another owner; never heard how > >> they worked. Moss shows the rings available (but who knows?). > >> > >> On 8/3/2022 12:36 PM, Henry G Leach via Healeys wrote: > >> > >> I assemble ODs using the original metal rings and have > >> not had any issues with pressure or > >> engagement/disengagement. > >> > >> When Mr. DeNormanville stayed up in the middle of the > >> night to engineer the operation of the unit, I think he > >> decided that the use of softer rings (sacrificial metal) > >> against a hardened casing was the best solution for > >> control and wear. If a rubber o-ring was a better > >> solution, he would have used one with the proper buna > rating. > >> > >> I think the bigger problem, now-a-days, is the > >> availability of the metal piston rings. Rubber O rings > >> are a dime-a-dozen. If you contact Overdrive Spares in > >> the UK, they should be able to supply the proper rings. > >> If they too, have decided to go with rubber, then plan on > >> a breakdown/rebuild in a shorter period of time than > >> units equipped with the original parts that last a long, > >> long time. Hank > >> > >> ----------------------------------------- > >> > >> From: "Michael Salter" > >> To: "healeys at autox.team.net" > > >> Cc: > >> Sent: Wednesday August 3 2022 9:38:15AM > >> Subject: Re: [Healeys] DW overdrive piston > >> > >> I have a question about the "O" ring type of accumulator. > >> > >> The way the accumulator works is that when it is fully > >> charged the piston moves against the spring until the > >> rings reach the radial holes in the wall of the housing > >> which acts to relieve any excess pressure. > >> > >> My concern is that at 3 - 400 p.s.i. oil will obviously > >> get behind the "O" ring and force the material of the "O" > >> ring into those radial holes and then, as the piston > >> moves back over them, a piece of the ring will shear off. > >> > >> I'm guessing that Laycock-DeNormanville used the complex > >> cast iron rings rather than "O" rings because they > >> recognized the possibility of this happening. > >> > >> I'm sure that tiny pieces of the "O" ring would be found > >> in the filter if this was a problem. Anyone found them or > >> noticed damage to their accumulator "O" ring upon > >> disassembly? > >> > >> M > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 9:08 AM Bob Spidell > >> wrote: > >> > >> I put one in my BJ8's O/D. It's subjective*--O/Ds > >> seem to work a little > >> quicker with cold, thick oil than hot oil--but it > >> cuts maybe a third off > >> engagement time on average. I had the O/D on the > >> bench and disassembled, > >> and the current one had a scored barrel so, why not? > >> Engagement isn't > >> much, if any, harsher than before which, I believe is > >> the reason DMH > >> wanted the weaker, smaller spring. If I'd known about > >> it, I might have > >> bought AHSpares' with an O-ring instead. > >> > >> * I've never really 'timed' O/D functioning, it would > >> be a bit awkward; > >> anyone done it? I usually tap the clutch pedal when > >> engaging O/D, and > >> give a little throttle when disengaging. I thought > >> mine engaged a little > >> quicker when I switched to synthetic fluid from > >> engine oil, but in all > >> cases confirmation bias may be involved. > >> > >> > >> > >> On 8/2/2022 8:09 PM, Joseph Costa wrote: > >> > Has anyone installed their upgraded overdrive > >> piston? If so, is it > >> > worth the trouble ? > >> > > >> > Joe > >> > BN1 #923 > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual > > donation $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > > > Healeys at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual > donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ahbn6 at verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanwassermannc at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 04:44:23 2022 From: alanwassermannc at gmail.com (Alan Wasserman) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 06:44:23 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Wiring Harness Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76CE53C1-3708-4825-A78D-F16A6F8F76BB@gmail.com> Try Kent Lambert Alan Wasserman Alanwassermannc at gmail.com 732-887-0742 www.wassermanstudio.com > On Aug 5, 2022, at 7:45 AM, HealeyRick wrote: > > ? > Hi all, > > After my recent BJ7 nasty boy fire in the engine compartment, I need a new wiring harness. The wiring in the car is original with a couple of minor changes I'd like to keep original cloth braiding on the wires. Anyone recommend a good source? > > Thanks, > Rick Neville > with a really hot Healey From pieterscheen at yahoo.com Sat Aug 6 04:59:25 2022 From: pieterscheen at yahoo.com (pieter scheenhouwer) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 20:59:25 +1000 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch bearing References: <9C81D03C-CB65-4B0B-8256-AF31B93C5B25.ref@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9C81D03C-CB65-4B0B-8256-AF31B93C5B25@yahoo.com> About to replace the clutch in my daily driver BJ7. The clutch has lasted nearly 20 years but I am on my third throw out bearing/bush. In the past I have heated the bush and soaked in oil for 24hrs before installing. Do you guys think this makes any difference to bush life or have any other suggestions. I do a fair bit of driving in stop start traffic so the bush gets a lot of work. Cheers Piet Sent from my iPad From michaelsalter at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 09:31:51 2022 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 11:31:51 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch bearing In-Reply-To: <9C81D03C-CB65-4B0B-8256-AF31B93C5B25@yahoo.com> References: <9C81D03C-CB65-4B0B-8256-AF31B93C5B25.ref@yahoo.com> <9C81D03C-CB65-4B0B-8256-AF31B93C5B25@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Pieter, I'm not sure that you are using the correct part names. The throw out bearing is normally made of carbon, is mounted on the clutch fork and operated by the clutch slave cylinder. It requires no lubrication. I suspect that you may be referring to the pilot bush, which is an oil impregnated bronze bush which is installed in the rear end of the crankshaft and, within which, the forward end of the gearbox first motion shaft rotates when the clutch is disengaged. If it is the pilot bush which is failing prematurely the most likely cause is misalignment between the engine and the gearbox. Originally 2 special pilot bolts were installed to ensure that these components were correctly aligned. M On Sat., Aug. 6, 2022, 10:38 a.m. pieter scheenhouwer via Healeys, < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > About to replace the clutch in my daily driver BJ7. The clutch has lasted > nearly 20 years but I am on my third throw out bearing/bush. In the past I > have heated the bush and soaked in oil for 24hrs before installing. > Do you guys think this makes any difference to bush life or have any > other suggestions. I do a fair bit of driving in stop start traffic so the > bush gets a lot of work. > Cheers > Piet > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ah3000me at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 12:04:07 2022 From: ah3000me at gmail.com (Tom) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 14:04:07 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] O-ring Message-ID: Hi all, I'm going to pull my rear half-axles out, and I have a parts question when re-installing the half-axle. After the mechanic installs the paper gasket at 5:10 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDx2UyxlC0Q, starting at 6:27 he installs an O-ring. I've looked at the parts breakdown on Moss's website and my Haynes manual, neither shows this O-ring. Anyone know what the O-ring is about? thanks, Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healeybruce at roadrunner.com Sat Aug 6 14:52:46 2022 From: healeybruce at roadrunner.com (Bruce Steele) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 13:52:46 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Wiring Harness Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <016a01d8a9d6$7bc1e5f0$7345b1d0$@roadrunner.com> I had very good experience with British Wiring. Bruce Steele Brea, CA 1960 BN7 -----Original Message----- From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Spidell Sent: Friday, August 05, 2022 8:44 PM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wiring Harness Recommendations I'd start with either British Wiring or Autosparks: http://www.britishwiring.com/Austin-Healey-s/4.htm https://www.autosparks.co.uk/finder/car/austin+healey I got all mine from Moss, but I'll bet they source from one of these. On 8/5/2022 4:45 AM, HealeyRick wrote: > Hi all, > > After my recent BJ7 nasty boy fire in the engine compartment, I need a > new wiring harness. The wiring in the car is original with a couple > of minor changes I'd like to keep original cloth braiding on the > wires. Anyone recommend a good source? > > Thanks, > Rick Neville > with a really hot Healey > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeybruce at roadrunner.com From alfuller194 at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 16:36:27 2022 From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (Al Fuller) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 15:36:27 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] O-ring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The O-ring is item 60 on this page for hypoid axles from bn-4 through BJ-8: https://mossmotors.com/rear-axle-hypoid-type ________________ Best Regards, Al Fuller On Sat, Aug 6, 2022, 2:26 PM Tom wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm going to pull my rear half-axles out, and I have a parts question when > re-installing the half-axle. > > After the mechanic installs the paper gasket at 5:10 in > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDx2UyxlC0Q, starting at 6:27 he > installs an O-ring. I've looked at the parts breakdown on Moss's website > and my Haynes manual, neither shows this O-ring. > > Anyone know what the O-ring is about? > > thanks, > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/alfuller194 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelsalter at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 17:04:23 2022 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 19:04:23 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] O-ring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The "O" was introduced during 100/6 production around the time of the move to Abingdon. There were actually 2 different sizes of them with the later style being larger as I recall. Moss only shows one part number ...675-430 although the factory parts books show 2 which are presumably the different sizes. M On Sat., Aug. 6, 2022, 5:22 p.m. Tom, wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm going to pull my rear half-axles out, and I have a parts question when > re-installing the half-axle. > > After the mechanic installs the paper gasket at 5:10 in > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDx2UyxlC0Q, starting at 6:27 he > installs an O-ring. I've looked at the parts breakdown on Moss's website > and my Haynes manual, neither shows this O-ring. > > Anyone know what the O-ring is about? > > thanks, > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healeyguy at aol.com Sat Aug 6 17:05:56 2022 From: healeyguy at aol.com (Perry Small) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 19:05:56 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] O-ring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tom Check the Moss catalog for the six cylinder cars. O ring helps seal up the axle to the rear hub. P Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 6, 2022, at 5:44 PM, Tom wrote: > > ? > Hi all, > > I'm going to pull my rear half-axles out, and I have a parts question when re-installing the half-axle. > > After the mechanic installs the paper gasket at 5:10 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDx2UyxlC0Q, starting at 6:27 he installs an O-ring. I've looked at the parts breakdown on Moss's website and my Haynes manual, neither shows this O-ring. > > Anyone know what the O-ring is about? > > thanks, > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyguy at aol.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sentenac.rw at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 18:53:59 2022 From: sentenac.rw at gmail.com (Roland Wilhelmy) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 17:53:59 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] O-ring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Depends on the rear axle. Early ones had no groove for an o-ring -- just used the paper gasket. Later ones had the groove and used the ring. The o-ring is a part common to Land Rovers by the way. -Roland On Sat, Aug 6, 2022, 2:26 PM Tom wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm going to pull my rear half-axles out, and I have a parts question when > re-installing the half-axle. > > After the mechanic installs the paper gasket at 5:10 in > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDx2UyxlC0Q, starting at 6:27 he > installs an O-ring. I've looked at the parts breakdown on Moss's website > and my Haynes manual, neither shows this O-ring. > > Anyone know what the O-ring is about? > > thanks, > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/sentenac.rw at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Sat Aug 6 22:30:04 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 21:30:04 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] O-ring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48048b1c-080c-ae39-6ea0-09f33d3eb0db@comcast.net> It's been noted that some of the aftermarket paper gaskets may be too thick, preventing the spacer ring from putting sufficient pressure on the bearing outer race to clamp it down. This can allow the bearing to spin in the hub; not a good thing. I'm not going to mention the source; he was active on this list and a forum but I haven't seen anything from him in a while. Anyway, something to consider; some prefer to use just a sealant with the O-ring. On 8/6/2022 5:53 PM, Roland Wilhelmy via Healeys wrote: > Depends on the rear axle. Early ones had no groove for an o-ring -- > just used the paper gasket. Later ones had the groove and used the > ring. The o-ring is a part common to Land Rovers by the way. > > -Roland > > On Sat, Aug 6, 2022, 2:26 PM Tom wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm going to pull my rear half-axles out, and I have a parts > question when re-installing the half-axle. > > After the mechanic installs the paper gasket at 5:10 in > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDx2UyxlC0Q, starting at 6:27? he > installs an O-ring.? I've looked at the parts breakdown on Moss's > website and my Haynes manual, neither shows this O-ring. > > Anyone know what the O-ring is about? > > thanks, > > Tom > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A. Times news paper today. It was kinder than the Jalopnick piece but said be careful. I did a survey there for an Australian buyer a few years ago. They were very accommodating and put the car on a lift and I got a thorough look. The test ride was brief as the brakes were marginal and the engine was very rough. I did get through all the gears and a listen to the rear end. It was not a drive it home car. The car was destined for a complete restoration so matching numbers and frame and body condition were more important.. I didn't know the price he was quoted but I thought the buyer would get more for his money through one of the clubs. After the survey the buyer made the deal and BHCC arranged the shipping. I think he knew what he was getting and got what he expected. NOTE: "Never buy a pig in a poke." You or a trusted advisor should take a hard look at a car before you make the deal. BHCC is just like the want adds or a used car lot sometimes good sometimes not. It's up to you to make sure what you are getting or no bitching later. That's my..... http://enewspaper.latimes.com/infinity/article_share.aspx?guid=c16e98ca-641a-4324-8c9e-073cb3f400dc ?On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 01:03:07 PM PDT, Richard Collins via Healeys wrote: A shock I tell you, just a shock Regards, Richard C > On Aug 7, 2022, at 10:30, Bob Spidell wrote: > > ?https://jalopnik.com/the-beverly-hills-car-club-isnt-the-classic-car-paradis-1849377356 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation? $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyray at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They were very accommodating and put the car on a lift and I got a thorough look. The test ride was brief as the brakes were marginal and the engine was very rough. I did get through all the gears and a listen to the rear end. It was not a drive it home car. The car was destined for a complete restoration so matching numbers and frame and body condition were more important.. I didn't know the price he was quoted but I thought the buyer would get more for his money through one of the clubs. After the survey the buyer made the deal and BHCC arranged the shipping. I think he knew what he was getting and got what he expected. NOTE: "Never buy a pig in a poke." You or a trusted advisor should take a hard look at a car before you make the deal. BHCC is just like the want adds or a used car lot sometimes good sometimes not. It's up to you to make sure what you are getting or no bitching later. That's my..... http://enewspaper.latimes.com/infinity/article_share.aspx?guid=c16e98ca-641a-4324-8c9e-073cb3f400dc ?On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 01:03:07 PM PDT, Richard Collins via Healeys wrote: A shock I tell you, just a shock Regards, Richard C > On Aug 7, 2022, at 10:30, Bob Spidell wrote: > > ?https://jalopnik.com/the-beverly-hills-car-club-isnt-the-classic-car-paradis-1849377356 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation? $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyray at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I requested that in his efforts to recover the car from BHCC that he not mention the BJ8 Registry or my name. BHCC had been very accommodating to me with info about BJ8s they were offering up to that point, and I did not want them to quit advertising the VINs of the BJ8s they had for sale. He was successful in recovering the car, and BHCC did exactly what I feared they would do: quit advertising the VINs. Steve Byers HBJ8L/36666 BJ8 Registry AHCA Delegate at Large Havelock, NC USA From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ray Juncal via Healeys Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2022 8:12 PM To: Bob Spidell; Richard Collins Cc: Healeys Subject: Re: [Healeys] [O/T] Beverly Hills Car Club Funny thing, there was just an article in the front section of the Sunday L. A. Times news paper today. It was kinder than the Jalopnick piece but said be careful. I did a survey there for an Australian buyer a few years ago. They were very accommodating and put the car on a lift and I got a thorough look. The test ride was brief as the brakes were marginal and the engine was very rough. I did get through all the gears and a listen to the rear end. It was not a drive it home car. The car was destined for a complete restoration so matching numbers and frame and body condition were more important.. I didn't know the price he was quoted but I thought the buyer would get more for his money through one of the clubs. After the survey the buyer made the deal and BHCC arranged the shipping. I think he knew what he was getting and got what he expected. NOTE: "Never buy a pig in a poke." You or a trusted advisor should take a hard look at a car before you make the deal. BHCC is just like the want adds or a used car lot sometimes good sometimes not. It's up to you to make sure what you are getting or no bitching later. That's my..... Inline image http://enewspaper.latimes.com/infinity/article_share.aspx?guid=c16e98ca-641a-4324-8c9e-073cb3f400dc On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 01:03:07 PM PDT, Richard Collins via Healeys wrote: A shock I tell you, just a shock Regards, Richard C > On Aug 7, 2022, at 10:30, Bob Spidell wrote: > > ?https://jalopnik.com/the-beverly-hills-car-club-isnt-the-classic-car-paradis-1849377356 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyray at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Mon Aug 8 09:07:02 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 08:07:02 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] [O/T] Beverly Hills Car Club In-Reply-To: <02b901d8ab1a$55eeea90$01ccbfb0$@rr.com> References: <961323572.2010106.1659917545881@mail.yahoo.com> <02b901d8ab1a$55eeea90$01ccbfb0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <992bff2a-4618-e979-cb9a-dd5ac3eed67f@comcast.net> "... BHCC did exactly what I feared they would do:? quit advertising the VINs ..." Doesn't speak well for the company. It also means buyers of used cars would do well to get the VIN for a car before laying down the cash. I don't know if LE reports the VIN of stolen cars to the DMV, but it seems like an easy way to cut down on car theft. But, from what I hear, 'desirable' cars--Camrys, Priuses, etc.--are headed to a chop shop before the owner even knows it's gone. Exotics are on a boat to Russia. CA used to provide the ownership records of cars for a small fee ($5 IIRC). My dad always kicked himself in the butt for not springing $5 for the provenance of his '65 Mustang, which was bought new by Alice Faye--old time singer/movie star; sold to 'Mrs. Phil Harris' (he did have the sales receipt)--before the DMV quit providing the service. These days, you can get at least some of a car's history from CarFax or similar. On 8/8/2022 4:30 AM, BJ8Healeys via Healeys wrote: > > Austin-Healeys are not mentioned in the story, but there is one > particular one involved. > > In 2006, a previous owner of HBJ8L/40136 sent me an inquiry into > whether I had any record of the car.? I did not.? He said it had been > stolen from him in 1970 and never recovered and he was searching for > it.?? I put the car into the BJ8 Registry with the note about its > history and the contact info for the victim.? In 2012, I saw it come > up for sale on BHCC and notified him. > > I requested that in his efforts to recover the car from BHCC that he > not mention the BJ8 Registry or my name.? BHCC had been very > accommodating to me with info about BJ8s they were offering up to that > point, and I did not want them to quit advertising the VINs of the > BJ8s they had for sale. > > He was successful in recovering the car, and BHCC did exactly what I > feared they would do:? quit advertising the VINs. > > Steve Byers > > HBJ8L/36666 > > BJ8 Registry > > AHCA Delegate at Large > > Havelock, NC?? USA > > *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of > *Ray Juncal via Healeys > *Sent:* Sunday, August 7, 2022 8:12 PM > *To:* Bob Spidell; Richard Collins > *Cc:* Healeys > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] [O/T] Beverly Hills Car Club > > Funny thing, there was just an article in the front section of the > Sunday L. A. Times news paper today. It was kinder than the Jalopnick > piece but said be careful. > > I did a survey there for an Australian buyer a few years ago. They > were very accommodating and put the car on a lift and I got a thorough > look. The test ride was brief as the brakes were marginal and the > engine was very rough. I did get through all the gears and a listen to > the rear end. It was not a drive it home car. The car was destined for > a complete restoration so matching numbers and frame and body > condition were more important.. I didn't know the price he was quoted > but I thought the buyer would get more for his money through one of > the clubs. After the survey the buyer made the deal and BHCC arranged > the shipping. I think he knew what he was getting and got what he > expected. > > NOTE: "Never buy a pig in a poke." You or a trusted advisor should > take a hard look at a car before you make the deal. BHCC is just like > the want adds or a used car lot sometimes good sometimes not. It's up > to you to make sure what you are getting or no bitching later. > > That's my..... > > Inline image > > http://enewspaper.latimes.com/infinity/article_share.aspx?guid=c16e98ca-641a-4324-8c9e-073cb3f400dc > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 27847 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sbyers at ec.rr.com Mon Aug 8 13:28:56 2022 From: sbyers at ec.rr.com (BJ8Healeys) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 15:28:56 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] [O/T] Beverly Hills Car Club In-Reply-To: <992bff2a-4618-e979-cb9a-dd5ac3eed67f@comcast.net> References: <961323572.2010106.1659917545881@mail.yahoo.com> <02b901d8ab1a$55eeea90$01ccbfb0$@rr.com> <992bff2a-4618-e979-cb9a-dd5ac3eed67f@comcast.net> Message-ID: <033501d8ab5d$1a82af30$4f880d90$@rr.com> I don?t know about the other model registries, but the BJ8 Registry has always tried to document what could be known about the continuous ownership history of a car. It was easier to do that in the days before ?privacy? became such an obsession and existing sources for lists of cars and owners dried up. I was able to obtain such lists from Healey clubs around the world 20 years ago, but most no longer even publish them. Also obtained historical DMV lists from various sources in various states. Cars sold through dealers lose a lot of that knowledge because dealers are reluctant to reveal from whom they bought and to whom they sold. I can?t imagine that any Healey owner would object to being contacted by a former or later owner of their car for more info about their time with it, but unless it is documented someplace, how will they ever know about or find you? I also encourage anyone considering buying a BJ8 to check with me before putting their money down. There are a ton of cars out there now, including those restored by big-name, high dollar restorers, that no longer wear the same identity they had when they left the factory. If that is important to a buyer, then they should know whatever is known about the car before putting their money down. Like the guy who bought a BJ8 with a VIN plate that said one thing, and a number on the shock tower that said another. He took it back to the restorer, who (without request or authorization) ground the original number off the shock tower! Caveat emptor! Steve Byers HBJ8L/36666 BJ8 Registry AHCA Delegate at Large Havelock, NC From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Spidell Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 11:07 AM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] [O/T] Beverly Hills Car Club "... BHCC did exactly what I feared they would do: quit advertising the VINs ..." Doesn't speak well for the company. It also means buyers of used cars would do well to get the VIN for a car before laying down the cash. I don't know if LE reports the VIN of stolen cars to the DMV, but it seems like an easy way to cut down on car theft. But, from what I hear, 'desirable' cars--Camrys, Priuses, etc.--are headed to a chop shop before the owner even knows it's gone. Exotics are on a boat to Russia. CA used to provide the ownership records of cars for a small fee ($5 IIRC). My dad always kicked himself in the butt for not springing $5 for the provenance of his '65 Mustang, which was bought new by Alice Faye--old time singer/movie star; sold to 'Mrs. Phil Harris' (he did have the sales receipt)--before the DMV quit providing the service. These days, you can get at least some of a car's history from CarFax or similar. On 8/8/2022 4:30 AM, BJ8Healeys via Healeys wrote: Austin-Healeys are not mentioned in the story, but there is one particular one involved. In 2006, a previous owner of HBJ8L/40136 sent me an inquiry into whether I had any record of the car. I did not. He said it had been stolen from him in 1970 and never recovered and he was searching for it. I put the car into the BJ8 Registry with the note about its history and the contact info for the victim. In 2012, I saw it come up for sale on BHCC and notified him. I requested that in his efforts to recover the car from BHCC that he not mention the BJ8 Registry or my name. BHCC had been very accommodating to me with info about BJ8s they were offering up to that point, and I did not want them to quit advertising the VINs of the BJ8s they had for sale. He was successful in recovering the car, and BHCC did exactly what I feared they would do: quit advertising the VINs. Steve Byers HBJ8L/36666 BJ8 Registry AHCA Delegate at Large Havelock, NC USA From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ray Juncal via Healeys Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2022 8:12 PM To: Bob Spidell; Richard Collins Cc: Healeys Subject: Re: [Healeys] [O/T] Beverly Hills Car Club Funny thing, there was just an article in the front section of the Sunday L. A. Times news paper today. It was kinder than the Jalopnick piece but said be careful. I did a survey there for an Australian buyer a few years ago. They were very accommodating and put the car on a lift and I got a thorough look. The test ride was brief as the brakes were marginal and the engine was very rough. I did get through all the gears and a listen to the rear end. It was not a drive it home car. The car was destined for a complete restoration so matching numbers and frame and body condition were more important.. I didn't know the price he was quoted but I thought the buyer would get more for his money through one of the clubs. After the survey the buyer made the deal and BHCC arranged the shipping. I think he knew what he was getting and got what he expected. NOTE: "Never buy a pig in a poke." You or a trusted advisor should take a hard look at a car before you make the deal. BHCC is just like the want adds or a used car lot sometimes good sometimes not. It's up to you to make sure what you are getting or no bitching later. That's my..... Inline image http://enewspaper.latimes.com/infinity/article_share.aspx?guid=c16e98ca-641a-4324-8c9e-073cb3f400dc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Doesn't speak well for the company. It also means buyers of used cars would do well to get the VIN for a car before laying down the cash. I don't know if LE reports the VIN of stolen cars to the DMV, but it seems like an easy way to cut down on car theft. But, from what I hear, 'desirable' cars--Camrys, Priuses, etc.--are headed to a chop shop before the owner even knows it's gone. Exotics are on a boat to Russia. CA used to provide the ownership records of cars for a small fee ($5 IIRC). My dad always kicked himself in the butt for not springing $5 for the provenance of his '65 Mustang, which was bought new by Alice Faye--old time singer/movie star; sold to 'Mrs. Phil Harris' (he did have the sales receipt)--before the DMV quit providing the service. These days, you can get at least some of a car's history from CarFax or similar. On 8/8/2022 4:30 AM, BJ8Healeys via Healeys wrote: Austin-Healeys are not mentioned in the story, but there is one particular one involved. In 2006, a previous owner of HBJ8L/40136 sent me an inquiry into whether I had any record of the car. I did not. He said it had been stolen from him in 1970 and never recovered and he was searching for it. I put the car into the BJ8 Registry with the note about its history and the contact info for the victim. In 2012, I saw it come up for sale on BHCC and notified him. I requested that in his efforts to recover the car from BHCC that he not mention the BJ8 Registry or my name. BHCC had been very accommodating to me with info about BJ8s they were offering up to that point, and I did not want them to quit advertising the VINs of the BJ8s they had for sale. He was successful in recovering the car, and BHCC did exactly what I feared they would do: quit advertising the VINs. Steve Byers HBJ8L/36666 BJ8 Registry AHCA Delegate at Large Havelock, NC USA From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ray Juncal via Healeys Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2022 8:12 PM To: Bob Spidell; Richard Collins Cc: Healeys Subject: Re: [Healeys] [O/T] Beverly Hills Car Club Funny thing, there was just an article in the front section of the Sunday L. A. Times news paper today. It was kinder than the Jalopnick piece but said be careful. I did a survey there for an Australian buyer a few years ago. They were very accommodating and put the car on a lift and I got a thorough look. The test ride was brief as the brakes were marginal and the engine was very rough. I did get through all the gears and a listen to the rear end. It was not a drive it home car. The car was destined for a complete restoration so matching numbers and frame and body condition were more important.. I didn't know the price he was quoted but I thought the buyer would get more for his money through one of the clubs. After the survey the buyer made the deal and BHCC arranged the shipping. I think he knew what he was getting and got what he expected. NOTE: "Never buy a pig in a poke." You or a trusted advisor should take a hard look at a car before you make the deal. BHCC is just like the want adds or a used car lot sometimes good sometimes not. It's up to you to make sure what you are getting or no bitching later. That's my..... http://enewspaper.latimes.com/infinity/article_share.aspx?guid=c16e98ca-641a-4324-8c9e-073cb3f400dc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The length of the bottom bracket is 1 3/16". Jean Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada?s largest network. ________________________________ From: Healeys on behalf of David Lodge via Healeys Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 10:32:57 PM To: Austin Healey ; A. H. List Subject: [Healeys] Measurement. Greetings all! Might I please trouble any of you for a measurement.....................again! As you can see from the attached, the trunk hoop support rotted away and then I surgically removed the remainder to good metal. Thing is, I'm bereft of the measurement for a patch from the cut off part to say, the bend in the tabs which weld to the trunk floor, so I thought that if any of you could furnish me with the measurement between the two tabs, I could work from that. Thanks and regards to all. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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M On Wed., Aug. 10, 2022, 5:49 a.m. Bob Haskell via Healeys, < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Listers, > > What's involved with swapping out the battery cutoff switch on a 100 BN2? > Do you access the backside of the switch from the left side wheel well or > from the battery box or? > > > Cheers, > > Bob Haskell > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hank -----------------------------------------From: "Bob Haskell via Healeys" To: "Healey List" Cc: Sent: Wednesday August 10 2022 3:04:35AM Subject: [Healeys] 100 battery cutoff switch Listers, What's involved with swapping out the battery cutoff switch on a 100 BN2? Do you access the backside of the switch from the left side wheel well or from the battery box or? Cheers, Bob Haskell Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelsalter at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 14:30:53 2022 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:30:53 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] 100 battery cutoff switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And if you are rebuilding it the rivets holding it together are boot lace eyelets ... really ... they are ?? M On Wed., Aug. 10, 2022, 3:39 p.m. Henry G Leach via Healeys, < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Bob-with the left rear wheel off, remove the ground strap and coil wire... > then drop the two BA nuts and washers that hold the unit in position with > the help of someone on the topside with their head in the boot. If no help, > you can tape or secure the screws on top with clamp or reach up with a long > arm. If rusted or stubborn use a vise grip and some "Lucas tool box buddy" > to remove them. Unit drops down rather than up and out if I remember the > procedure. Some folks can rebuild the switch with involves replacing the > spring inside, but AH Spares/Moss have replacements$$. Be sure to get the > short neck style to be concours correct. Hank > > ----------------------------------------- > From: "Bob Haskell via Healeys" > To: "Healey List" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday August 10 2022 3:04:35AM > Subject: [Healeys] 100 battery cutoff switch > > Listers, > > What's involved with swapping out the battery cutoff switch on a 100 BN2? > Do you access the backside of the switch from the left side wheel well or > from the battery box or? > > Cheers, > > Bob Haskell > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(I know and am changing the ?holds? to helmet style) > On Aug 10, 2022, at 2:00 PM, healeys-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D8AC19.89D001A0 > X-Apple-Content-Length: 2006 > Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; > charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE > > > ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D8AC19.89D001A0-- > > > > > > --000000000000dccb7005e5e1f999 > X-Apple-Content-Length: 2399 > Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; > charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE > > > --000000000000dccb7005e5e1f999-- > > > > > > --=_7dac9e1b9226c239621449b7a2760905 > X-Apple-Content-Length: 1386 > Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; > charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE > > > --=_7dac9e1b9226c239621449b7a2760905-- > > Alan Wasserman alanwassermannc at gmail.com 732-887-0742 www.wassermanstudio.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I know I have the ?wrong? battery (see pic) but > was told that a Lucas Battery Box would be acceptable in judging. Does > anyone have knowledge if this is so AND, if so, any clues on where I may > find one? Tried Ebay and usual supply sources to no avail. Thanks for the > anticipated insight. (I know and am changing the ?holds? to helmet style) > > On Aug 10, 2022, at 2:00 PM, healeys-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D8AC19.89D001A0 > X-Apple-Content-Length: 2006 > Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; > charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE > > > ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D8AC19.89D001A0-- > > > > > > --000000000000dccb7005e5e1f999 > X-Apple-Content-Length: 2399 > Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; > charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE > > > --000000000000dccb7005e5e1f999-- > > > > > > --=_7dac9e1b9226c239621449b7a2760905 > X-Apple-Content-Length: 1386 > Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; > charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE > > > --=_7dac9e1b9226c239621449b7a2760905-- > > > > Alan Wasserman > alanwassermannc at gmail.com > 732-887-0742 > www.wassermanstudio.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know if it's concours correct or not--anyone?--but I think it's a good idea (you'll have the terminal off to replace them with helmet-style anyway): https://mossmotors.com/grommet-kit On 8/11/2022 4:21 AM, Alan Wasserman via Healeys wrote: > Re: Battery box for ?66 AH BJ8 > > Hello fellow enjoysters. ?I ?have a ?66 Austin Healey BJ8 and am > shooting for a Concours judging. ?I know I have the ?wrong? battery > (see pic) but was told that a Lucas Battery Box would be acceptable in > judging. ?Does anyone have knowledge if this is so AND, if so, any > clues on where I may find one? ?Tried Ebay and usual supply sources to > no avail. ?Thanks for the anticipated insight. ?(I know and am > changing the ?holds? to helmet style) > >> On Aug 10, 2022, at 2:00 PM, healeys-request at autox.team.net wrote: >> >> >> >> >> ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D8AC19.89D001A0 >> X-Apple-Content-Length: 2006 >> Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; >> charset=us-ascii >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE >> >> >> ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D8AC19.89D001A0-- >> >> >> >> >> >> --000000000000dccb7005e5e1f999 >> X-Apple-Content-Length: 2399 >> Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; >> charset=UTF-8 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE >> >> >> --000000000000dccb7005e5e1f999-- >> >> >> >> >> >> --=_7dac9e1b9226c239621449b7a2760905 >> X-Apple-Content-Length: 1386 >> Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; >> charset=UTF-8 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE >> >> >> --=_7dac9e1b9226c239621449b7a2760905-- >> >> > > Alan Wasserman > alanwassermannc at gmail.com > 732-887-0742 > www.wassermanstudio.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Nethttp://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bspidell at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I know I have the ?wrong? > battery (see pic) but was told that a Lucas Battery Box would be > acceptable in judging.? Does anyone have knowledge if this is so > AND, if so, any clues on where I may find one?? Tried Ebay and > usual supply sources to no avail.? Thanks for the anticipated > insight. ?(I know and am changing the ?holds? to helmet style) > >> On Aug 10, 2022, at 2:00 PM, healeys-request at autox.team.net wrote: >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rct2bnc at aol.com Thu Aug 11 10:49:54 2022 From: rct2bnc at aol.com (rct2bnc) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 09:49:54 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1792109833.27248.1660236601423@aol.com> These are already available somewhere in Ohio.? I purchased one more than 10 yrs ago ...can't find the receipt.? They advised in Hemmings.?Ben Cohen?BJ8Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Bob Spidell Date: 8/11/22 9:38 AM (GMT-07:00) To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 How about gutting a Lucas battery and stuffing an AGM inside? Crazy idea? On 8/11/2022 5:16 AM, Michael Salter wrote: A "Lucas" battery box, something I have never heard of, is not correct.? I would recommend that you get a copy of the Concours Guidelines.? M On Thu., Aug. 11, 2022, 7:58 a.m. Alan Wasserman via Healeys, wrote: Re: Battery box for ?66 AH BJ8 Hello fellow enjoysters.? I ?have a ?66 Austin Healey BJ8 and am shooting for a Concours judging.? I know I have the ?wrong? battery (see pic) but was told that a Lucas Battery Box would be acceptable in judging.? Does anyone have knowledge if this is so AND, if so, any clues on where I may find one?? Tried Ebay and usual supply sources to no avail.? 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URL: From tld6008 at mchsi.com Thu Aug 11 14:22:52 2022 From: tld6008 at mchsi.com (Tim Davis BN7) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 16:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Healeys] Battery box for ?66 AH BJ8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1491079445.12766638.1660249372749.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> Regarding Councours judging... what about your paint scheme? ----- Original Message ----- From: healeys-request at autox.team.net To: "Healey list" Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 1:00:01 PM Subject: Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 250 Send Healeys mailing list submissions to healeys at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to healeys-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at healeys-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Healeys digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: 100 battery cutoff switch (Michael Salter) 2. Re: Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 (Alan Wasserman) 3. Re: Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 (Michael Salter) 4. Re: Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 (Bob Spidell) 5. Re: Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 (Bob Spidell) 6. Re: Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 (rct2bnc) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:30:53 -0400 From: Michael Salter To: Hank Leach Cc: Bob Haskell , Healey List Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 battery cutoff switch Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" And if you are rebuilding it the rivets holding it together are boot lace eyelets ... really ... they are ?? M On Wed., Aug. 10, 2022, 3:39 p.m. Henry G Leach via Healeys, < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Bob-with the left rear wheel off, remove the ground strap and coil wire... > then drop the two BA nuts and washers that hold the unit in position with > the help of someone on the topside with their head in the boot. If no help, > you can tape or secure the screws on top with clamp or reach up with a long > arm. If rusted or stubborn use a vise grip and some "Lucas tool box buddy" > to remove them. Unit drops down rather than up and out if I remember the > procedure. Some folks can rebuild the switch with involves replacing the > spring inside, but AH Spares/Moss have replacements$$. Be sure to get the > short neck style to be concours correct. Hank > > ----------------------------------------- > From: "Bob Haskell via Healeys" > To: "Healey List" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday August 10 2022 3:04:35AM > Subject: [Healeys] 100 battery cutoff switch > > Listers, > > What's involved with swapping out the battery cutoff switch on a 100 BN2? > Do you access the backside of the switch from the left side wheel well or > from the battery box or? > > Cheers, > > Bob Haskell > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(I know and am changing the ?holds? to helmet style) > On Aug 10, 2022, at 2:00 PM, healeys-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D8AC19.89D001A0 > X-Apple-Content-Length: 2006 > Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; > charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE > > > ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D8AC19.89D001A0-- > > > > > > --000000000000dccb7005e5e1f999 > X-Apple-Content-Length: 2399 > Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; > charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE > > > --000000000000dccb7005e5e1f999-- > > > > > > --=_7dac9e1b9226c239621449b7a2760905 > X-Apple-Content-Length: 1386 > Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; > charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE > > > --=_7dac9e1b9226c239621449b7a2760905-- > > Alan Wasserman alanwassermannc at gmail.com 732-887-0742 www.wassermanstudio.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Does > anyone have knowledge if this is so AND, if so, any clues on where I may > find one? Tried Ebay and usual supply sources to no avail. Thanks for the > anticipated insight. (I know and am changing the ?holds? to helmet style) > > On Aug 10, 2022, at 2:00 PM, healeys-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D8AC19.89D001A0 > X-Apple-Content-Length: 2006 > Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; > charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE > > > ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D8AC19.89D001A0-- > > > > > > --000000000000dccb7005e5e1f999 > X-Apple-Content-Length: 2399 > Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; > charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE > > > --000000000000dccb7005e5e1f999-- > > > > > > --=_7dac9e1b9226c239621449b7a2760905 > X-Apple-Content-Length: 1386 > Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; > charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE > > > --=_7dac9e1b9226c239621449b7a2760905-- > > > > Alan Wasserman > alanwassermannc at gmail.com > 732-887-0742 > www.wassermanstudio.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know if it's concours correct or not--anyone?--but I think it's a good idea (you'll have the terminal off to replace them with helmet-style anyway): https://mossmotors.com/grommet-kit On 8/11/2022 4:21 AM, Alan Wasserman via Healeys wrote: > Re: Battery box for ?66 AH BJ8 > > Hello fellow enjoysters. ?I ?have a ?66 Austin Healey BJ8 and am > shooting for a Concours judging. ?I know I have the ?wrong? battery > (see pic) but was told that a Lucas Battery Box would be acceptable in > judging. ?Does anyone have knowledge if this is so AND, if so, any > clues on where I may find one? ?Tried Ebay and usual supply sources to > no avail. ?Thanks for the anticipated insight. ?(I know and am > changing the ?holds? to helmet style) > >> On Aug 10, 2022, at 2:00 PM, healeys-request at autox.team.net wrote: >> >> >> >> >> ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D8AC19.89D001A0 >> X-Apple-Content-Length: 2006 >> Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; >> charset=us-ascii >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE >> >> >> ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D8AC19.89D001A0-- >> >> >> >> >> >> --000000000000dccb7005e5e1f999 >> X-Apple-Content-Length: 2399 >> Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; >> charset=UTF-8 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE >> >> >> --000000000000dccb7005e5e1f999-- >> >> >> >> >> >> --=_7dac9e1b9226c239621449b7a2760905 >> X-Apple-Content-Length: 1386 >> Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; >> charset=UTF-8 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE >> >> >> --=_7dac9e1b9226c239621449b7a2760905-- >> >> > > Alan Wasserman > alanwassermannc at gmail.com > 732-887-0742 > www.wassermanstudio.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Nethttp://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bspidell at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I know I have the ?wrong? > battery (see pic) but was told that a Lucas Battery Box would be > acceptable in judging.? Does anyone have knowledge if this is so > AND, if so, any clues on where I may find one?? Tried Ebay and > usual supply sources to no avail.? Thanks for the anticipated > insight. ?(I know and am changing the ?holds? to helmet style) > >> On Aug 10, 2022, at 2:00 PM, healeys-request at autox.team.net wrote: >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 09:49:54 -0700 From: rct2bnc To: Bob Spidell , healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 Message-ID: <1792109833.27248.1660236601423 at aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" These are already available somewhere in Ohio.? I purchased one more than 10 yrs ago ...can't find the receipt.? They advised in Hemmings.?Ben Cohen?BJ8Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Bob Spidell Date: 8/11/22 9:38 AM (GMT-07:00) To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 How about gutting a Lucas battery and stuffing an AGM inside? Crazy idea? On 8/11/2022 5:16 AM, Michael Salter wrote: A "Lucas" battery box, something I have never heard of, is not correct.? I would recommend that you get a copy of the Concours Guidelines.? M On Thu., Aug. 11, 2022, 7:58 a.m. Alan Wasserman via Healeys, wrote: Re: Battery box for ?66 AH BJ8 Hello fellow enjoysters.? I ?have a ?66 Austin Healey BJ8 and am shooting for a Concours judging.? I know I have the ?wrong? battery (see pic) but was told that a Lucas Battery Box would be acceptable in judging.? Does anyone have knowledge if this is so AND, if so, any clues on where I may find one?? Tried Ebay and usual supply sources to no avail.? Thanks for the anticipated insight. ?(I know and am changing the ?holds? to helmet style) On Aug 10, 2022, at 2:00 PM, healeys-request at autox.team.net wrote: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Healeys mailing list Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys archives: http://autox.team.net/archive ------------------------------ End of Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 250 **************************************** From alanwassermannc at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 14:27:07 2022 From: alanwassermannc at gmail.com (Alan Wasserman) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 16:27:07 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 250 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <73397D43-B7B7-4A18-967B-AB3F573C0E1D@gmail.com> Great knowledge and ideas from ALL. The grommet idea makes sense. Interestingly, the Concours Guidelines are silent on this (another example that the ?Guidelines? are not all inclusive and just that, GUIDELINES. I have spoken with a restoration person/retired Concours judge and it was he that suggested the Lucas battery box (a plastic? black box that has the recessed imprint ?Lucas? on the box. The Guidelines do mention that one cant find the factory original battery and there is an acceptable replacement. All of your responses are an example of the uncertainty in such situations. I will speak with Roger Moment, and see what he suggests and report back. Thanks to all > On Aug 11, 2022, at 2:00 PM, healeys-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > Send Healeys mailing list submissions to > healeys at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > healeys-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > healeys-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Healeys digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 100 battery cutoff switch (Michael Salter) > 2. Re: Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 (Alan Wasserman) > 3. Re: Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 (Michael Salter) > 4. Re: Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 (Bob Spidell) > 5. Re: Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 (Bob Spidell) > 6. Re: Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 (rct2bnc) > > From: Michael Salter > Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 battery cutoff switch > Date: August 10, 2022 at 4:30:53 PM EDT > To: Hank Leach > Cc: Bob Haskell , Healey List > > > And if you are rebuilding it the rivets holding it together are boot lace eyelets ... really ... they are ?? > > M > > On Wed., Aug. 10, 2022, 3:39 p.m. Henry G Leach via Healeys, > wrote: > Bob-with the left rear wheel off, remove the ground strap and coil wire... then drop the two BA nuts and washers that hold the unit in position with the help of someone on the topside with their head in the boot. If no help, you can tape or secure the screws on top with clamp or reach up with a long arm. If rusted or stubborn use a vise grip and some "Lucas tool box buddy" to remove them. Unit drops down rather than up and out if I remember the procedure. Some folks can rebuild the switch with involves replacing the spring inside, but AH Spares/Moss have replacements$$. Be sure to get the short neck style to be concours correct. Hank > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "Bob Haskell via Healeys" > To: "Healey List" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday August 10 2022 3:04:35AM > Subject: [Healeys] 100 battery cutoff switch > > Listers, > > What's involved with swapping out the battery cutoff switch on a 100 BN2? Do you access the backside of the switch from the left side wheel well or from the battery box or? > > Cheers, > > Bob Haskell > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > > > > From: Alan Wasserman > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 > Date: August 11, 2022 at 7:21:12 AM EDT > To: Healeys > Cc: Alan Wasserman > > > Re: Battery box for ?66 AH BJ8 > > Hello fellow enjoysters. I have a ?66 Austin Healey BJ8 and am shooting for a Concours judging. I know I have the ?wrong? battery (see pic) but was told that a Lucas Battery Box would be acceptable in judging. Does anyone have knowledge if this is so AND, if so, any clues on where I may find one? Tried Ebay and usual supply sources to no avail. Thanks for the anticipated insight. (I know and am changing the ?holds? to helmet style)<53338FC4-D7AA-4D11-A1CD-DFDBEB5AD8CC.jpeg> > >> On Aug 10, 2022, at 2:00 PM, healeys-request at autox.team.net wrote: >> >> >> >> >> ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D8AC19.89D001A0 >> X-Apple-Content-Length: 2006 >> Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; >> charset=us-ascii >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE >> >> >> ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D8AC19.89D001A0-- >> >> >> >> >> >> --000000000000dccb7005e5e1f999 >> X-Apple-Content-Length: 2399 >> Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; >> charset=UTF-8 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE >> >> >> --000000000000dccb7005e5e1f999-- >> >> >> >> >> >> --=_7dac9e1b9226c239621449b7a2760905 >> X-Apple-Content-Length: 1386 >> Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; >> charset=UTF-8 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE >> >> >> --=_7dac9e1b9226c239621449b7a2760905-- >> >> > > Alan Wasserman > alanwassermannc at gmail.com > 732-887-0742 > www.wassermanstudio.com > > > > > > > > > > > From: Michael Salter > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 > Date: August 11, 2022 at 8:16:42 AM EDT > To: Alan Wasserman > Cc: Healeys > > > A "Lucas" battery box, something I have never heard of, is not correct. > I would recommend that you get a copy of the Concours Guidelines. > > M > > > On Thu., Aug. 11, 2022, 7:58 a.m. Alan Wasserman via Healeys, > wrote: > Re: Battery box for ?66 AH BJ8 > > Hello fellow enjoysters. I have a ?66 Austin Healey BJ8 and am shooting for a Concours judging. I know I have the ?wrong? battery (see pic) but was told that a Lucas Battery Box would be acceptable in judging. Does anyone have knowledge if this is so AND, if so, any clues on where I may find one? Tried Ebay and usual supply sources to no avail. Thanks for the anticipated insight. (I know and am changing the ?holds? to helmet style)<53338FC4-D7AA-4D11-A1CD-DFDBEB5AD8CC.jpeg> > >> On Aug 10, 2022, at 2:00 PM, healeys-request at autox.team.net wrote: >> >> >> >> >> ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D8AC19.89D001A0 >> X-Apple-Content-Length: 2006 >> Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; >> charset=us-ascii >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE >> >> >> ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D8AC19.89D001A0-- >> >> >> >> >> >> --000000000000dccb7005e5e1f999 >> X-Apple-Content-Length: 2399 >> Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; >> charset=UTF-8 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE >> >> >> --000000000000dccb7005e5e1f999-- >> >> >> >> >> >> --=_7dac9e1b9226c239621449b7a2760905 >> X-Apple-Content-Length: 1386 >> Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; >> charset=UTF-8 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE >> >> >> --=_7dac9e1b9226c239621449b7a2760905-- >> >> > > Alan Wasserman > alanwassermannc at gmail.com > 732-887-0742 > www.wassermanstudio.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > <53338FC4-D7AA-4D11-A1CD-DFDBEB5AD8CC.jpeg><53338FC4-D7AA-4D11-A1CD-DFDBEB5AD8CC.jpeg> > > > From: Bob Spidell > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 > Date: August 11, 2022 at 11:31:54 AM EDT > To: healeys at autox.team.net > > > I can't help with the box--I've never seen one anywhere--but I think you should have a grommet on the bulkhead your negative cable goes through. I don't know if it's concours correct or not--anyone?--but I think it's a good idea (you'll have the terminal off to replace them with helmet-style anyway): > > https://mossmotors.com/grommet-kit > > > > On 8/11/2022 4:21 AM, Alan Wasserman via Healeys wrote: >> Re: Battery box for ?66 AH BJ8 >> >> Hello fellow enjoysters. I have a ?66 Austin Healey BJ8 and am shooting for a Concours judging. I know I have the ?wrong? battery (see pic) but was told that a Lucas Battery Box would be acceptable in judging. Does anyone have knowledge if this is so AND, if so, any clues on where I may find one? Tried Ebay and usual supply sources to no avail. Thanks for the anticipated insight. (I know and am changing the ?holds? to helmet style)<53338FC4-D7AA-4D11-A1CD-DFDBEB5AD8CC.jpeg> >> >>> On Aug 10, 2022, at 2:00 PM, healeys-request at autox.team.net wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D8AC19.89D001A0 >>> X-Apple-Content-Length: 2006 >>> Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; >>> charset=us-ascii >>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE >>> >>> >>> ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D8AC19.89D001A0-- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --000000000000dccb7005e5e1f999 >>> X-Apple-Content-Length: 2399 >>> Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; >>> charset=UTF-8 >>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE >>> >>> >>> --000000000000dccb7005e5e1f999-- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --=_7dac9e1b9226c239621449b7a2760905 >>> X-Apple-Content-Length: 1386 >>> Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; >>> charset=UTF-8 >>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE >>> >>> >>> --=_7dac9e1b9226c239621449b7a2760905-- >>> >>> >> >> Alan Wasserman >> alanwassermannc at gmail.com >> 732-887-0742 >> www.wassermanstudio.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bspidell at comcast.net >> > > > > > From: Bob Spidell > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 > Date: August 11, 2022 at 11:33:46 AM EDT > To: healeys at autox.team.net > > > How about gutting a Lucas battery and stuffing an AGM inside? Crazy idea? > > > On 8/11/2022 5:16 AM, Michael Salter wrote: >> A "Lucas" battery box, something I have never heard of, is not correct. >> I would recommend that you get a copy of the Concours Guidelines. >> >> M >> >> >> On Thu., Aug. 11, 2022, 7:58 a.m. Alan Wasserman via Healeys, > wrote: >> Re: Battery box for ?66 AH BJ8 >> >> Hello fellow enjoysters. I have a ?66 Austin Healey BJ8 and am shooting for a Concours judging. I know I have the ?wrong? battery (see pic) but was told that a Lucas Battery Box would be acceptable in judging. Does anyone have knowledge if this is so AND, if so, any clues on where I may find one? Tried Ebay and usual supply sources to no avail. Thanks for the anticipated insight. (I know and am changing the ?holds? to helmet style)<53338FC4-D7AA-4D11-A1CD-DFDBEB5AD8CC.jpeg> >> >>> On Aug 10, 2022, at 2:00 PM, healeys-request at autox.team.net wrote: >>> >>> >>> > > > > > From: rct2bnc > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 > Date: August 11, 2022 at 12:49:54 PM EDT > To: Bob Spidell , healeys at autox.team.net > > > These are already available somewhere in Ohio. I purchased one more than 10 yrs ago ...can't find the receipt. They advised in Hemmings. > > Ben Cohen > BJ8 > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Bob Spidell > Date: 8/11/22 9:38 AM (GMT-07:00) > To: healeys at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 > > How about gutting a Lucas battery and stuffing an AGM inside? Crazy idea? > > > On 8/11/2022 5:16 AM, Michael Salter wrote: >> A "Lucas" battery box, something I have never heard of, is not correct. >> I would recommend that you get a copy of the Concours Guidelines. >> >> M >> >> >> On Thu., Aug. 11, 2022, 7:58 a.m. Alan Wasserman via Healeys, > wrote: >> Re: Battery box for ?66 AH BJ8 >> >> Hello fellow enjoysters. I have a ?66 Austin Healey BJ8 and am shooting for a Concours judging. I know I have the ?wrong? battery (see pic) but was told that a Lucas Battery Box would be acceptable in judging. Does anyone have knowledge if this is so AND, if so, any clues on where I may find one? Tried Ebay and usual supply sources to no avail. Thanks for the anticipated insight. 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URL: From michaelsalter at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 14:49:31 2022 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 16:49:31 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 In-Reply-To: <06603D8B-93D7-4C8F-A562-3D852BE28AC9@gmail.com> References: <06603D8B-93D7-4C8F-A562-3D852BE28AC9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Alan, maybe you have an older copy of the Guidelines. 2022 version states on page 156: *One 12-volt battery is mounted in the boot in a black Bakelite traywith a separate hold down bar (painted gloss black) and hold-down rods similar to the BN6s/7ssecured by wing nuts.* And *The battery top is covered with a black lightweight vinyl seam-welded cover. * As editor I have no recollection of a Lucas Battery Box... am I missing something? M On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 3:13 PM Alan Wasserman wrote: > Have and studied the Guidelines. Know there is no ref to the battery > cover. Guidelines make ref to not being all inclusive. But, was told by a > restoration and retired judge that the black Lucas battery box (which I > have seen in a car) would be acceptable. Thanks for your input. > > Alan Wasserman > Alanwassermannc at gmail.com > 732-887-0742 > www.wassermanstudio.com > > On Aug 11, 2022, at 8:16 AM, Michael Salter > wrote: > > ? > A "Lucas" battery box, something I have never heard of, is *not* correct. > I would recommend that you get a copy of the Concours Guidelines. > > M > > > On Thu., Aug. 11, 2022, 7:58 a.m. Alan Wasserman via Healeys, < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Re: Battery box for ?66 AH BJ8 >> >> Hello fellow enjoysters. I have a ?66 Austin Healey BJ8 and am shooting >> for a Concours judging. I know I have the ?wrong? battery (see pic) but >> was told that a Lucas Battery Box would be acceptable in judging. Does >> anyone have knowledge if this is so AND, if so, any clues on where I may >> find one? Tried Ebay and usual supply sources to no avail. Thanks for the >> anticipated insight. (I know and am changing the ?holds? to helmet style) >> >> On Aug 10, 2022, at 2:00 PM, healeys-request at autox.team.net wrote: >> >> >> >> >> ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D8AC19.89D001A0 >> X-Apple-Content-Length: 2006 >> Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; >> charset=us-ascii >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE >> >> >> ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D8AC19.89D001A0-- >> >> >> >> >> >> --000000000000dccb7005e5e1f999 >> X-Apple-Content-Length: 2399 >> Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; >> charset=UTF-8 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE >> >> >> --000000000000dccb7005e5e1f999-- >> >> >> >> >> >> --=_7dac9e1b9226c239621449b7a2760905 >> X-Apple-Content-Length: 1386 >> Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; >> charset=UTF-8 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE >> >> >> --=_7dac9e1b9226c239621449b7a2760905-- >> >> >> >> Alan Wasserman >> alanwassermannc at gmail.com >> 732-887-0742 >> www.wassermanstudio.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com >> >> [image: 53338FC4-D7AA-4D11-A1CD-DFDBEB5AD8CC.jpeg] > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Thu Aug 11 16:41:15 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 15:41:15 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 In-Reply-To: <1792109833.27248.1660236601423@aol.com> References: <1792109833.27248.1660236601423@aol.com> Message-ID: <6e03f714-dfe7-311c-63b5-33add35302e4@comcast.net> You're probably thinking of 'Antique Auto Battery;' they went AWOL a few years ago (original owner sold to somebody else, etc. etc. etc.)... On 8/11/2022 9:49 AM, rct2bnc wrote: > These are already available somewhere in Ohio.? I purchased one more > than 10 yrs ago ...can't find the receipt. They advised in Hemmings. > > Ben Cohen > BJ8 > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Bob Spidell > Date: 8/11/22 9:38 AM (GMT-07:00) > To: healeys at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 > > How about gutting a Lucas battery and stuffing an AGM inside? Crazy idea? > > > On 8/11/2022 5:16 AM, Michael Salter wrote: >> A "Lucas" battery box, something I have never heard of, is *_not_* >> correct. >> I would recommend that you get a copy of the Concours Guidelines. >> >> M >> >> >> On Thu., Aug. 11, 2022, 7:58 a.m. Alan Wasserman via Healeys, >> wrote: >> >> Re: Battery box for ?66 AH BJ8 >> >> Hello fellow enjoysters.? I ?have a ?66 Austin Healey BJ8 and am >> shooting for a Concours judging.? I know I have the ?wrong? >> battery (see pic) but was told that a Lucas Battery Box would be >> acceptable in judging.? Does anyone have knowledge if this is so >> AND, if so, any clues on where I may find one?? Tried Ebay and >> usual supply sources to no avail.? Thanks for the anticipated >> insight. ?(I know and am changing the ?holds? to helmet style) >> >>> On Aug 10, 2022, at 2:00 PM, healeys-request at autox.team.net wrote: >>> >>> >>> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: AAB.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 48727 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dtwoerpel at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 17:17:18 2022 From: dtwoerpel at gmail.com (Dave and Terri Woerpel) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 18:17:18 -0500 Subject: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 In-Reply-To: References: <23B68EAA-2621-4039-8B59-C6FB2B9D8025@gmail.com> Message-ID: Used to be Antique Auto Battery now Jim's Battery Manufacturing Co. 602 Rayen Ave. Youngstown OH 44502 800.426.7580 They're working on a website. First AGM/LUCAS I bought from them when it was Antique Auto Battery. Battery lasted 10 years in the Bugeye. Now on my 2nd. I just finished the 2nd season on 2, 6v for the MGA. Jim took over the business. Very helpful people and great batteries. No financial interest just a very happy owner. No more replacing 2 6v flooded every other year. Dave W '59 :() '59 MGA 1500 Burlington WI "Pay It Forward" On Thu, Aug 11, 2022, 11:35 AM Bob Spidell wrote: > How about gutting a Lucas battery and stuffing an AGM inside? Crazy idea? > > > On 8/11/2022 5:16 AM, Michael Salter wrote: > > A "Lucas" battery box, something I have never heard of, is *not* > correct. > I would recommend that you get a copy of the Concours Guidelines. > > M > > > On Thu., Aug. 11, 2022, 7:58 a.m. Alan Wasserman via Healeys, < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Re: Battery box for ?66 AH BJ8 >> >> Hello fellow enjoysters. I have a ?66 Austin Healey BJ8 and am shooting >> for a Concours judging. I know I have the ?wrong? battery (see pic) but >> was told that a Lucas Battery Box would be acceptable in judging. Does >> anyone have knowledge if this is so AND, if so, any clues on where I may >> find one? Tried Ebay and usual supply sources to no avail. Thanks for the >> anticipated insight. (I know and am changing the ?holds? to helmet style) >> >> On Aug 10, 2022, at 2:00 PM, healeys-request at autox.team.net wrote: >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/dtwoerpel at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtwoerpel at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 17:20:58 2022 From: dtwoerpel at gmail.com (Dave and Terri Woerpel) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 18:20:58 -0500 Subject: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 In-Reply-To: <1792109833.27248.1660236601423@aol.com> References: <1792109833.27248.1660236601423@aol.com> Message-ID: Used to be Antique Auto Battery now Jim's Battery Manufacturing Co. 602 Rayen Ave. Youngstown OH 44502 800.426.7580 They're working on a website. First AGM/LUCAS I bought from them when it was Antique Auto Battery. Battery lasted 10 years in the Bugeye. Now on my 2nd. I just finished the 2nd season on 2, 6v for the MGA. Jim took over the business. Very helpful people and great batteries. No financial interest just a very happy owner. No more replacing 2 6v flooded every other year. Dave W '59 :() '59 MGA 1500 Burlington WI "Pay It Forward" On Thu, Aug 11, 2022, 1:49 PM rct2bnc via Healeys wrote: > These are already available somewhere in Ohio. I purchased one more than > 10 yrs ago ...can't find the receipt. They advised in Hemmings. > > Ben Cohen > BJ8 > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Bob Spidell > Date: 8/11/22 9:38 AM (GMT-07:00) > To: healeys at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 > > How about gutting a Lucas battery and stuffing an AGM inside? Crazy idea? > > > On 8/11/2022 5:16 AM, Michael Salter wrote: > > A "Lucas" battery box, something I have never heard of, is *not* > correct. > I would recommend that you get a copy of the Concours Guidelines. > > M > > > On Thu., Aug. 11, 2022, 7:58 a.m. Alan Wasserman via Healeys, < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Re: Battery box for ?66 AH BJ8 >> >> Hello fellow enjoysters. I have a ?66 Austin Healey BJ8 and am shooting >> for a Concours judging. I know I have the ?wrong? battery (see pic) but >> was told that a Lucas Battery Box would be acceptable in judging. Does >> anyone have knowledge if this is so AND, if so, any clues on where I may >> find one? Tried Ebay and usual supply sources to no avail. Thanks for the >> anticipated insight. (I know and am changing the ?holds? to helmet style) >> >> On Aug 10, 2022, at 2:00 PM, healeys-request at autox.team.net wrote: >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/dtwoerpel at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ampole at hotmail.com Fri Aug 12 01:41:18 2022 From: ampole at hotmail.com (andy pole) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 07:41:18 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 In-Reply-To: References: <1792109833.27248.1660236601423@aol.com> Message-ID: Or you can just buy the 3 sided cover and a Lucas sticker that?s wraps around your AGM battery from Ahspares or any other Healey supplier . Also The vinyl top cover that?s sits over it. Andy Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Healeys on behalf of Dave and Terri Woerpel Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 12:20:58 AM Cc: Healeys Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 Used to be Antique Auto Battery now Jim's Battery Manufacturing Co. 602 Rayen Ave. Youngstown OH 44502 800.426.7580 They're working on a website. First AGM/LUCAS I bought from them when it was Antique Auto Battery. Battery lasted 10 years in the Bugeye. Now on my 2nd. I just finished the 2nd season on 2, 6v for the MGA. Jim took over the business. Very helpful people and great batteries. No financial interest just a very happy owner. No more replacing 2 6v flooded every other year. Dave W '59 :() '59 MGA 1500 Burlington WI "Pay It Forward" On Thu, Aug 11, 2022, 1:49 PM rct2bnc via Healeys > wrote: These are already available somewhere in Ohio. I purchased one more than 10 yrs ago ...can't find the receipt. They advised in Hemmings. Ben Cohen BJ8 Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Bob Spidell > Date: 8/11/22 9:38 AM (GMT-07:00) To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 15, Issue 249 How about gutting a Lucas battery and stuffing an AGM inside? Crazy idea? On 8/11/2022 5:16 AM, Michael Salter wrote: A "Lucas" battery box, something I have never heard of, is not correct. I would recommend that you get a copy of the Concours Guidelines. M On Thu., Aug. 11, 2022, 7:58 a.m. Alan Wasserman via Healeys, > wrote: Re: Battery box for ?66 AH BJ8 Hello fellow enjoysters. I have a ?66 Austin Healey BJ8 and am shooting for a Concours judging. I know I have the ?wrong? battery (see pic) but was told that a Lucas Battery Box would be acceptable in judging. Does anyone have knowledge if this is so AND, if so, any clues on where I may find one? Tried Ebay and usual supply sources to no avail. Thanks for the anticipated insight. (I know and am changing the ?holds? to helmet style)[X] On Aug 10, 2022, at 2:00 PM, healeys-request at autox.team.net wrote: _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/dtwoerpel at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My wife, Kim, and I live in Midlothian, VA (near Richmond) and purchased a 1962 BT7 a couple of years ago.? We also have three Triumphs.? I purchased a ?Luckas?G24L (Positive Post FRONT RIGHT) AGM battery from batterycentralmall.com for our ?57 TR3, picture attached.? I do not see Austin Healey under British, but perhaps a correct size battery was used in another British car.? It would help if you know the Lucas battery model for your car.Do call the company at 804-861-0165.? The owner is very friendly.? Please know there may be a loonnngggg wait for a battery as I am now waiting for a Lucas G22L.Best--Kevin_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/warthodson at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmbeam at comcast.net Fri Aug 12 13:23:58 2022 From: kmbeam at comcast.net (Kevin Beam) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 15:23:58 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Battery box for '66 AH BJ8 In-Reply-To: <860953461.1066477.1660329489094@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MaGJoq7qOTv08MaGQoeDRH.1660332259.acb9514835b51c91811e894b0559d673.MISSINGID@comcast.net Typo ... "Lucas" ... not "Luckas".Thank you pointing it out, Gary.BatteryCentral sells the correct charger for AGM batteries..Best--Kevin -------- Original message --------From: warthodson at aol.com Date: 8/12/22 14:38 (GMT-05:00) To: kmbeam at comcast.net, healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Battery box for '66 AH BJ8 What do you mean by a "Luckas" battery? On a related subject, it has been my experience that the battery, regardless of whether it is a conventional wet cell type or an AGM type, needs a maintenance battery charger to avoid having the battery damaged due to having the battery sitting for long periods without being recharged.? Gary Hodson -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Beam To: healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Aug 12, 2022 10:37 am Subject: Re: [Healeys] Battery box for '66 AH BJ8 This is my first post to the list.? My wife, Kim, and I live in Midlothian, VA (near Richmond) and purchased a 1962 BT7 a couple of years ago.? We also have three Triumphs.? I purchased a ?Luckas?G24L (Positive Post FRONT RIGHT) AGM battery from batterycentralmall.com for our ?57 TR3, picture attached.? I do not see Austin Healey under British, but perhaps a correct size battery was used in another British car.? It would help if you know the Lucas battery model for your car. Do call the company at 804-861-0165.? The owner is very friendly.? Please know there may be a loonnngggg wait for a battery as I am now waiting for a Lucas G22L. Best -- Kevin _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/warthodson at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cnaarndt at gmail.com Fri Aug 12 14:55:33 2022 From: cnaarndt at gmail.com (Curtis Arndt) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 13:55:33 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] 100M on BaT Message-ID: AH Lovers, FWIW, the first 100M ever restored by Lynn Martin of Forever Healeys is currently for sale on Bring-a-Trailer... 1956 Austin-Healey 100M BN2 Roadster for sale on BaT Auctions - ending August 14 (Lot #81,450) | Bring a Trailer This car was judged in Concours in 2008 at the Austin Healey meet in San Diego. I was the Chief Judge and Roger Moment, Reid Trummel, David Koch (100M owner, Toronto, Canada) and Pat Harris (100M owner, San Diego)were the judges/scribe. Photos and information on the restoration are available on the Forever Healeys website... 100M Welcome (foreverhealeys.com) I know the seller who had the car restored in 2003 and who has maintained it in outstanding condition for 19 years. The car is somewhat local (to SoCal), being in the Pasadena, CA area. 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Bob On 8/12/2022 1:55 PM, Curtis Arndt via Healeys wrote: > AH Lovers, > > FWIW, the first 100M ever restored by Lynn Martin of Forever Healeys > is currently for sale on Bring-a-Trailer... > > 1956 Austin-Healey 100M BN2 Roadster for sale on BaT Auctions - ending > August 14 (Lot > > ?#81,450) | Bring a Trailer > > > This car was judged in Concours in 2008 at the Austin Healey meet in > San Diego. I was the Chief Judge and Roger Moment, Reid Trummel, David > Koch (100M owner, Toronto, Canada) and Pat Harris (100M owner, San > Diego)were the judges/scribe. > > Photos and information on the restoration are available on the Forever > Healeys website... > 100M Welcome (foreverhealeys.com) > > > I know the seller who had the car restored in 2003 and who has > maintained it in outstanding condition for 19 years. The car is > somewhat local (to SoCal), being in the Pasadena, CA area. > > I know quite a bit about the car and I'd be willing to answer?any > questions for interested parties. > > Cheers, > > Curt Arndt > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Nethttp://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bspidell at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healey100m at me.com Fri Aug 12 18:24:31 2022 From: healey100m at me.com (Randall Hicks) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 20:24:31 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] 100M on BaT In-Reply-To: <1bcc94b2-03f1-74de-0b27-8d0ccd7cf78f@comcast.net> References: <1bcc94b2-03f1-74de-0b27-8d0ccd7cf78f@comcast.net> Message-ID: My OEW/Black 100M has Ivory piping. My Florida Green /OEW 100M has correct black piping. Both look good.l Your car.,,, Randy > On Aug 12, 2022, at 8:12 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: > > ? Hey Curt, > > It's a beaut. Isn't the lower flange on the rear shroud supposed to be (hand-) painted flat black? > > Looks like the seat piping is same color as the seats (black). I wanted to do our piping in white--I've seen lots of cars with red or white piping--but my dad preferred all-black; looks like the Old Man was right (again). > > Bob > > On 8/12/2022 1:55 PM, Curtis Arndt via Healeys wrote: >> AH Lovers, >> >> FWIW, the first 100M ever restored by Lynn Martin of Forever Healeys is currently for sale on Bring-a-Trailer... >> >> 1956 Austin-Healey 100M BN2 Roadster for sale on BaT Auctions - ending August 14 (Lot >> #81,450) | Bring a Trailer >> >> This car was judged in Concours in 2008 at the Austin Healey meet in San Diego. I was the Chief Judge and Roger Moment, Reid Trummel, David Koch (100M owner, Toronto, Canada) and Pat Harris (100M owner, San Diego)were the judges/scribe. >> >> Photos and information on the restoration are available on the Forever Healeys website... >> 100M Welcome (foreverhealeys.com) >> >> I know the seller who had the car restored in 2003 and who has maintained it in outstanding condition for 19 years. The car is somewhat local (to SoCal), being in the Pasadena, CA area. >> >> I know quite a bit about the car and I'd be willing to answer any questions for interested parties. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Curt Arndt >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bspidell at comcast.net >> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey100m at me.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cnaarndt at gmail.com Fri Aug 12 21:20:18 2022 From: cnaarndt at gmail.com (Curtis Arndt) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 20:20:18 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] 100M on BaT In-Reply-To: References: <1bcc94b2-03f1-74de-0b27-8d0ccd7cf78f@comcast.net> Message-ID: No, the car is owned by Sarah Frost from the Pasadena area of Los Angeles. It was the very first 100M that Lynn Martin did in 2003. I worked with Lynn to further document white BN1/2s with not only black engine bays, but also completely black in the boot area during these early years. My car's chassis is the same. It was judged at Rendezvous in San Diego in 2008 by Roger M., Reid T., the late David Koch of Toronto Canada (who had an identical 100M in the same color) and Pat Harris of San Diego, another 100M owner. I was the chief judge. It got a bronze, mostly for a lot of minor issues as Lynn was early in his 100M learning curve. HOWEVER, the basic body work and mechanics were/are great and the car is a solid driver. It still looks great 19 years after being restored. Also the interior was done by the same person who's done all of Lynn's cars and his work has also improved these past two decades. A bronze concours winner it was restored as a show driver, and not a Concours car, a testament to Lynn's Attention to detail. Sarah has provided a lot of documentation, and this is a very original numbers matching M that has never been in an accident, lightly driven over the past 14 years (<1,500 miles) and still presents well. Cheers, Curt On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 6:14 PM Randall Hicks via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > My OEW/Black 100M has Ivory piping. My Florida Green /OEW 100M has correct > black piping. > Both look good.l > Your car.,,, > > Randy > > > > > On Aug 12, 2022, at 8:12 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: > > ? Hey Curt, > > It's a beaut. Isn't the lower flange on the rear shroud supposed to be > (hand-) painted flat black? > > Looks like the seat piping is same color as the seats (black). I wanted to > do our piping in white--I've seen lots of cars with red or white > piping--but my dad preferred all-black; looks like the Old Man was right > (again). > > Bob > > On 8/12/2022 1:55 PM, Curtis Arndt via Healeys wrote: > > AH Lovers, > > FWIW, the first 100M ever restored by Lynn Martin of Forever Healeys is > currently for sale on Bring-a-Trailer... > > 1956 Austin-Healey 100M BN2 Roadster for sale on BaT Auctions - ending > August 14 (Lot > > #81,450) | Bring a Trailer > > > This car was judged in Concours in 2008 at the Austin Healey meet in San > Diego. I was the Chief Judge and Roger Moment, Reid Trummel, David Koch > (100M owner, Toronto, Canada) and Pat Harris (100M owner, San Diego)were > the judges/scribe. > > Photos and information on the restoration are available on the Forever > Healeys website... > 100M Welcome (foreverhealeys.com) > > > I know the seller who had the car restored in 2003 and who has maintained > it in outstanding condition for 19 years. The car is somewhat local (to > SoCal), being in the Pasadena, CA area. > > I know quite a bit about the car and I'd be willing to answer any > questions for interested parties. > > Cheers, > > Curt Arndt > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > Healeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bspidell at comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey100m at me.com > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From cnaarndt at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 10:31:39 2022 From: cnaarndt at gmail.com (Curtis Arndt) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 09:31:39 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Counterfeit Numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick, I posted about this exact subject in comment on the first 100M made that was for sale recently on BaT. If one was willing to invest several thousands of dollars on a new set of spot on body stamps, you'd be off to a good start. Several of us researched having a set of body number stamps made up, but we decided the cost $5K+ wasn't worth the effort... Duh, we weren't making counterfeit Ms! However if you were, it might be worth the effort and expense. Just recently, a person in Washington state was selling ALL of the items needed for an M, e..g., original louvered bonnet, original AUC 6040 AA or X carburetors and manifolds, original numbered and dated distributor, etc... So with the stamps, the aforementioned parts, then find a clapped out BN2 cheap. Then find Factory 100M numbers that are currently not in use (scrapped years ago) and request a heritage certificate. Rebuild the car, have it judged Concours and get a Bill Meade certificate. Renumber the boot, bonnet and splash apron. Weld in the old numbers on the cockpit trim, grind and sand smooth, and renumber. EASIER said than done, the trim warps like nobody's business under welding heat, plus you'll need to use old trim aluminum as a welding rod so the color matches and you can't see a ghosting of the old numbers.To me this is the hardest part, and NOT cheap. Now this won't be cheap as the number stamps, parts and welding would cost north of $20K+. However, given Factory 100M premiums, it's possibly worth the effort. Folks have worked harder to scam for less. Just my 2 cents. -Curt On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 8:41 AM HealeyRick wrote: > In watching various auctions of high-end Healeys, particularly Ms, I read > opinions that it would be very difficult to counterfeit all the identifying > numbers on a Healey. My question for the better informed would it really be > that difficult to get dies made up to punch realistic numbers, grind off > the old numbers on the trim pieces and body panels and make up some ID > plates? If cars are worth over $150k, I would think it would be a > relatively small investment in tooling and with all the scanning equipment > we have now, I can't see it being that difficult. > > Don't worry, not asking for a friend. > > Rick Neville > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 7:40 AM Jean Caron via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Michael, > I certainly never noticed anything like that before, perhaps never paid > attention to it but since the letters are large enough one would notice > them easily. > > Nean > > Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada?s largest network. > ------------------------------ > *From:* Healeys on behalf of Michael > Salter > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 7:35:45 AM > *To:* healeys at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Healeys] Interesting frame detail > > Whilst preparing the frame of my BN2 for final paint I noticed these > letters stamped onto the right rear shock mount. > I wonder what they signify? Perhaps the initials of the welder? > Anyone else noticed these ... same initials? > > M > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If cars are worth over $150k, I would think it would be a relatively small investment in tooling and with all the scanning equipment we have now, I can't see it being that difficult. Don't worry, not asking for a friend. Rick Neville_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/warthodson at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All of the above is not impossible but would likely be very time consuming, costly and fraught with uncertainty unless someone would get lucky and hit a correct number from the BMIHT. Jean Sent from Mail for Windows From: HealeyRick Sent: August 16, 2022 10:25 AM To: Healeys Subject: [Healeys] Counterfeit Numbers In watching various auctions of high-end Healeys, particularly Ms, I read opinions that it would be very difficult to counterfeit all the identifying numbers on a Healey. My question for the better informed would it really be that difficult to get dies made up to punch realistic numbers, grind off the old numbers on the trim pieces and body panels and make up some ID plates? If cars are worth over $150k, I would think it would be a relatively small investment in tooling and with all the scanning equipment we have now, I can't see it being that difficult. Don't worry, not asking for a friend. Rick Neville -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gradea1 at charter.net Tue Aug 16 14:16:13 2022 From: gradea1 at charter.net (gradea1 at charter.net) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 20:16:13 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Counterfeit Numbers Message-ID: <691f0637cea6883dcb61f739f1c818a3e395a102@webmail> Why bother to re-stamp-if you need some cockpit surrounds and door trim here is a whole pile that was for sale when "S replica" manufacturer went belly up. Even easier to make up an "authentic M". Hank -----------------------------------------From: "Curtis Arndt" To: "HealeyRick" Cc: "Healeys" Sent: Tuesday August 16 2022 10:04:23AM Subject: Re: [Healeys] Counterfeit Numbers Rick, I posted about this exact subject in comment on the first 100M made that was for sale recently on BaT. If one was willing to invest several thousands of dollars on a new set of spot on body stamps, you'd be off to a good start. Several of us researched having a set of body number stamps made up, but we decided the cost $5K+ wasn't worth the effort... Duh, we weren't making counterfeit Ms! However if you were, it might be worth the effort and expense. Just recently, a person in Washington state was selling ALL of the items needed for an M, e..g., original louvered bonnet, original AUC 6040 AA or X carburetors and manifolds, original numbered and dated distributor, etc... So with the stamps, the aforementioned parts, then find a clapped out BN2 cheap. Then find Factory 100M numbers that are currently not in use (scrapped years ago) and request a heritage certificate. Rebuild the car, have it judged Concours and get a Bill Meade certificate. Renumber the boot, bonnet and splash apron. Weld in the old numbers on the cockpit trim, grind and sand smooth, and renumber. EASIER said than done, the trim warps like nobody's business under welding heat, plus you'll need to use old trim aluminum as a welding rod so the color matches and you can't see a ghosting of the old numbers.To me this is the hardest part, and NOT cheap. Now this won't be cheap as the number stamps, parts and welding would cost north of $20K+. However, given Factory 100M premiums, it's possibly worth the effort. Folks have worked harder to scam for less. Just my 2 cents. -Curt On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 8:41 AM HealeyRick wrote: In watching various auctions of high-end Healeys, particularly Ms, I read opinions that it would be very difficult to counterfeit all the identifying numbers on a Healey. My question for the better informed would it really be that difficult to get dies made up to punch realistic numbers, grind off the old numbers on the trim pieces and body panels and make up some ID plates? If cars are worth over $150k, I would think it would be a relatively small investment in tooling and with all the scanning equipment we have now, I can't see it being that difficult. Don't worry, not asking for a friend. Rick Neville _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net [1]http://www.team.net/donate.html [2] Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: [3]http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys [4] [5]http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys [6] Healeys at autox.team.net [7]http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys [8] Unsubscribe/Manage: [9]http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com [10] Links: ------ [1] http://www.team.net/donate.html [2] http://www.team.net/donate.html [3] http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys [4] http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys [5] http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys [6] http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys [7] http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys [8] http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys [9] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com [10] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I already explained what to do with the cockpit trim pieces, the old numbers wedded in, then smoothed down to exactly match the back side and new numbers stamped. My own rear cockpit trim on my BN1 had around eight holes drilled for studs from back in the day for a California tonneau cover. We used an old piece of trim as welding material and carefully welded up all the holes, then ground, sanded and polished them smooth before anodizing., You can't tell they were ever there -Curt On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 11:31 AM warthodson--- via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > I think the hardest part would be grinding off the original #'s without > leaving any evidence of the grinding. > Gary Hodson > > -----Original Message----- > From: HealeyRick > To: Healeys > Sent: Tue, Aug 16, 2022 9:37 am > Subject: [Healeys] Counterfeit Numbers > > In watching various auctions of high-end Healeys, particularly Ms, I read > opinions that it would be very difficult to counterfeit all the identifying > numbers on a Healey. My question for the better informed would it really be > that difficult to get dies made up to punch realistic numbers, grind off > the old numbers on the trim pieces and body panels and make up some ID > plates? If cars are worth over $150k, I would think it would be a > relatively small investment in tooling and with all the scanning equipment > we have now, I can't see it being that difficult. > > Don't worry, not asking for a friend. > > Rick Neville > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/warthodson at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps the initials of the welder? >> Anyone else noticed these ... same initials? >> >> M >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3000 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 8/16/2022 10:19 PM, i erbs via Healeys wrote: > HG Welds > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2022, 10:51 AM Curtis Arndt wrote: > > Never noticed them on my late BN1 but that's not to say I didn't > miss seeing them. > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 7:40 AM Jean Caron via Healeys > wrote: > > Michael, > I certainly never noticed anything like that before, perhaps > never paid attention to it but since the letters are large > enough? one would notice them easily. > > Nean > > Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada?s largest network. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Healeys on behalf of > Michael Salter > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 7:35:45 AM > *To:* healeys at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Healeys] Interesting frame detail > Whilst preparing the frame of my BN2 for final paint I noticed > these letters stamped onto the right rear shock mount. > I wonder what they signify? 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'O' rings are supplied now but are not always a tight fit. Lead is not a favored material these days Regards On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 at 06:30, Jean Caron via Healeys wrote: > There are very few things that I find when restoring Austin-Healeys that > surprise me anymore but today, while dismantling a set of carbs for a BN2, > I came across this at one end of the balance pipe. The correct part is a > rubber gland seal but at some point it was replaced by some black plumber > packing string, just shook my head. > > > > Jean > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ah100tech at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The leaded string was then forced tight when > the plate was tightened. > > 'O' rings are supplied now but are not always a tight fit. Lead is not a > favored material these days > > Regards > > On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 at 06:30, Jean Caron via Healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> There are very few things that I find when restoring Austin-Healeys that >> surprise me anymore but today, while dismantling a set of carbs for a BN2, >> I came across this at one end of the balance pipe. The correct part is a >> rubber gland seal but at some point it was replaced by some black plumber >> packing string, just shook my head. >> >> >> >> Jean >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ah100tech at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The > correct part is a rubber gland seal but at some point it was replaced > by some black plumber packing string, just shook my head. > > Jean > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 00F4B5F9D76448B2A24DFA1D5D57B91C.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 229620 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gradea1 at charter.net Fri Aug 19 12:04:40 2022 From: gradea1 at charter.net (gradea1 at charter.net) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 18:04:40 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Carbs Balance Pipe BN1/BN2 - Message-ID: SU STANDS FOR "Skinners Union" a plumbing manufacturer in the UK, so they would use the proper plumbing material to affix the tube, to seal and make it water tight as well. The quest of all plumbers. The original toilet in the UK was developed by Thomas Crapper. For real. Hank -----------------------------------------From: "Jean Caron via Healeys" To: "AH Mail List" Cc: Sent: Thursday August 18 2022 10:29:39PM Subject: [Healeys] Carbs Balance Pipe BN1/BN2 - There are very few things that I find when restoring Austin-Healeys that surprise me anymore but today, while dismantling a set of carbs for a BN2, I came across this at one end of the balance pipe. The correct part is a rubber gland seal but at some point it was replaced by some black plumber packing string, just shook my head. Jean Sent from Mail [1] for Windows Links: ------ [1] https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eyera3000 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 22:35:31 2022 From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 21:35:31 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Carbs Balance Pipe BN1/BN2 - In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did it work? On Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 10:35 PM Jean Caron via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > There are very few things that I find when restoring Austin-Healeys that > surprise me anymore but today, while dismantling a set of carbs for a BN2, > I came across this at one end of the balance pipe. The correct part is a > rubber gland seal but at some point it was replaced by some black plumber > packing string, just shook my head. > > > > Jean > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3000 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jean Sent from Mail for Windows From: Curtis Arndt Sent: August 19, 2022 11:07 AM To: john harper Cc: Jean Caron; AH Mail List Subject: Re: [Healeys] Carbs Balance Pipe BN1/BN2 - Jean, John Harper is 100% correct, over the past 30+ years I've worked on many original BN1/2/100M manifolds (10+) and they ALL had this packing string type packing material material and NONE with a rubber seal. Cheers, Curt On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 3:06 AM john harper > wrote: Jean I believe that you have this the wrong way around. The originals were made up of some sort of string impregnated with lead. As you say once used by plumbers. The original shape was a circular cylinder shape with ends shaped to fit into the beveled carburetor body on one side and a similar shape to the clamping ring. The leaded string was then forced tight when the plate was tightened. 'O' rings are supplied now but are not always a tight fit. Lead is not a favored material these days Regards On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 at 06:30, Jean Caron via Healeys > wrote: There are very few things that I find when restoring Austin-Healeys that surprise me anymore but today, while dismantling a set of carbs for a BN2, I came across this at one end of the balance pipe. The correct part is a rubber gland seal but at some point it was replaced by some black plumber packing string, just shook my head. Jean [cid:182b56b70cf26dcae351] Sent from Mail for Windows _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ah100tech at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On 8/19/2022 9:44 PM, Jean Caron via Healeys wrote: > > Thanks guys, I was wrong in this case for sure, I have some of this > stuff at home but not with lead, but have various products that will > assist in getting it to seal properly, learn something new every day. > > Jean > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > *From: *Curtis Arndt > *Sent: *August 19, 2022 11:07 AM > *To: *john harper > *Cc: *Jean Caron ; AH > Mail List > *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Carbs Balance Pipe BN1/BN2 - > > Jean, > > John Harper is 100% correct, over the past 30+ years?I've worked on > many original BN1/2/100M manifolds (10+) and they ALL had this packing > string type?packing material material and NONE?with a rubber seal. > > Cheers, > > Curt > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 3:06 AM john harper wrote: > > Jean > > I believe that you have this the wrong way around. The > originals?were made up of some sort of string impregnated?with > lead. As you say once used by?plumbers. The original shape was a > circular?cylinder shape with ends shaped to fit into the beveled > carburetor body on one side and a similar shape to the > clamping?ring. The?leaded string was then forced?tight when the > plate was tightened. > > 'O' rings are supplied?now but are not always?a tight fit. Lead is > not a favored material these days > > Regards > > On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 at 06:30, Jean Caron via Healeys > wrote: > > There are very few things that I find when restoring > Austin-Healeys that surprise me anymore but today, while > dismantling a set of carbs for a BN2, I came across this at > one end of the balance pipe. The correct part is a rubber > gland seal but at some point it was replaced by some black > plumber packing string, just shook my head. > > Jean > > > Sent from Mail > > for Windows > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Still > muddling with the wiring but think I have it figured out. > Thanks Guys > Ray > > Inline image > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net > From britishauto at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 13:32:44 2022 From: britishauto at gmail.com (Jake V) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 15:32:44 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <1266629756.84828.1661195087508@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1266629756.84828.1661195087508.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1266629756.84828.1661195087508@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jeff Schlemmer at Advanced Distributors can probably help. http://advanceddistributors.com/wordpress1/ On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 3:25 PM Ray Juncal via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > I'm looking for a distributor guy that knows Healeys. I need to up grade a > stock disy to Le Mans specs or a little better. I'm on the West coast not > that it matters. Also here's a progress shot. Still muddling with the > wiring but think I have it figured out. > Thanks Guys > Ray > > [image: Inline image] > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/britishauto at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I need to up grade a > stock disy to Le Mans specs or a little better. I'm on the West coast not > that it matters. Also here's a progress shot. Still muddling with the > wiring but think I have it figured out. > Thanks Guys > Ray > > [image: Inline image] > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Still muddling with the > wiring but think I have it figured out. > Thanks Guys > Ray > > [image: Inline image] > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyrik at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Still muddling with the wiring but think I have it figured out. Thanks Guys Ray [Inline image] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I need to up grade a > stock disy to Le Mans specs or a little better. I'm on the West coast not > that it matters. Also here's a progress shot. Still muddling with the > wiring but think I have it figured out. > > Thanks Guys > > Ray > > > > [image: Inline image] > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best--Michael Oritt On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 8:29 AM Jim Ryan wrote: > I don't know, I think I'd stick with that guy that's willing to polish > your unit. > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 1:00 AM Jean Caron < > vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Ray, >> >> I concur with what others have said, that Jeff at Advance Distributors is >> the right guy for what you are looking for. I only had one distributor done >> by him to ?M? specs but it was great and I have had at least 6-8 others >> done by him, with no issues. >> >> >> >> Jean >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 12:37 PM Ray Juncal via Healeys < >> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> I'm looking for a distributor guy that knows Healeys. I need to up grade >> a stock disy to Le Mans specs or a little better. I'm on the West coast not >> that it matters. Also here's a progress shot. Still muddling with the >> wiring but think I have it figured out. >> >> Thanks Guys >> >> Ray >> >> >> >> [image: Inline image] >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From healey.nut at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 16:54:51 2022 From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 06:54:51 +0800 Subject: [Healeys] Carbs Balance Pipe BN1/BN2 - In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jean - That is pump gland seal and it is correct. You can buy the seal at a plumbing shop or online. https://www.amazon.com/Minseal-1200-Graphitized-Compression-Mechanical/dp/B07H7WJ73G/ref=sr_1_1?crid=WGESEK62IMOQ&keywords=pump%2Bgland%2Bseal&qid=1661295241&sprefix=pump%2Bgland%2Bseal%2Caps%2C283&sr=8-1&th=1 Cheers, Alan On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 1:33 PM Jean Caron via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > There are very few things that I find when restoring Austin-Healeys that > surprise me anymore but today, while dismantling a set of carbs for a BN2, > I came across this at one end of the balance pipe. The correct part is a > rubber gland seal but at some point it was replaced by some black plumber > packing string, just shook my head. > > > > Jean > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 00F4B5F9D76448B2A24DFA1D5D57B91C.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 229620 bytes Desc: not available URL: From vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com Tue Aug 23 17:59:10 2022 From: vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com (Jean Caron) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 23:59:10 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <374557526.1519945.1661285532875@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1266629756.84828.1661195087508.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1266629756.84828.1661195087508@mail.yahoo.com> <374557526.1519945.1661285532875@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Gary, Never heard he did not like Pertronix, as far as I am concerned if you have a good rebuilt distributor, I would prefer points as I can fix them on the road if needed and they are far more economical. A Pertronix will, for a while, hide the proper functioning of a worn distributor. Our cars, due to their age, the technology of the day, means that they need far more frequent servicing and the distributor is one of those items, while strong, eventually will need a rebuilt. It is a great thing that we have guys like Jeff that specialize in this type of service so we can put some more miles on our cars for years to come. Jean Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada?s largest network. ________________________________ From: Healeys on behalf of warthodson--- via Healeys Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 3:12:12 PM To: healeys at autox.team.net ; ryan at jimryan.com Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy If I recall correctly, Isn't Jeff adamantly against Pertronix ignitions? I am not sure why he dislikes them. For me the advantages out way the originality of a points system. I do like the way he rebuilds the OE distributors. Gary Hodson Jeff is the guy I recommended and who for a nominal sum was willing to polish the distributor. 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You can buy the seal at a plumbing shop or online. https://www.amazon.com/Minseal-1200-Graphitized-Compression-Mechanical/dp/B07H7WJ73G/ref=sr_1_1?crid=WGESEK62IMOQ&keywords=pump%2Bgland%2Bseal&qid=1661295241&sprefix=pump%2Bgland%2Bseal%2Caps%2C283&sr=8-1&th=1 Cheers, Alan On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 1:33 PM Jean Caron via Healeys > wrote: There are very few things that I find when restoring Austin-Healeys that surprise me anymore but today, while dismantling a set of carbs for a BN2, I came across this at one end of the balance pipe. The correct part is a rubber gland seal but at some point it was replaced by some black plumber packing string, just shook my head. Jean [cid:182cce8b7dd26dcae351] Sent from Mail for Windows _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 00F4B5F9D76448B2A24DFA1D5D57B91C.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 229620 bytes Desc: 00F4B5F9D76448B2A24DFA1D5D57B91C.jpg URL: From springer.mike51 at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 02:04:27 2022 From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 01:04:27 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: References: <1266629756.84828.1661195087508.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1266629756.84828.1661195087508@mail.yahoo.com> <374557526.1519945.1661285532875@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jeff rebuilt the distributor for my BN2 by putting 45D guts in it. When I asked him about installing a Pertonix unit, he said to just leave the points in it and save the money. Mike MacLean On Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 8:34 PM Jean Caron via Healeys wrote: > Gary, > Never heard he did not like Pertronix, as far as I am concerned if you > have a good rebuilt distributor, I would prefer points as I can fix them on > the road if needed and they are far more economical. A Pertronix will, for > a while, hide the proper functioning of a worn distributor. Our cars, due > to their age, the technology of the day, means that they need far more > frequent servicing and the distributor is one of those items, while strong, > eventually will need a rebuilt. It is a great thing that we have guys like > Jeff that specialize in this type of service so we can put some more miles > on our cars for years to come. > > Jean > > Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada?s largest network. > ------------------------------ > *From:* Healeys on behalf of > warthodson--- via Healeys > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2022 3:12:12 PM > *To:* healeys at autox.team.net ; ryan at jimryan.com < > ryan at jimryan.com> > *Cc:* healeys at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Healeys] Distributor guy > > If I recall correctly, Isn't Jeff adamantly against Pertronix ignitions? > I am not sure why he dislikes them. For me the advantages out way the > originality of a points system. I do like the way he rebuilds the OE > distributors. > Gary Hodson > > > > Jeff is the guy I recommended and who for a nominal sum was willing to > polish the distributor. > > Best--Michael Oritt > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cnaarndt at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 02:25:40 2022 From: cnaarndt at gmail.com (Curtis Arndt) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 01:25:40 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <374557526.1519945.1661285532875@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1266629756.84828.1661195087508.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1266629756.84828.1661195087508@mail.yahoo.com> <374557526.1519945.1661285532875@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Most folks I've run into with Pertronix ignitions use them instead of rebuilding their distributor properly. The Pertronix can make a worn out distributor run better especially if the shaft bushing is worn. Here's an idea, restore the distributor PROPERLY and replace worn parts. Use NOS ignition parts and your car will run just fine! I have a lifetime supply of NOS caps, rotors, points and condensers, all from eBay, and no more expensive than buying cheap Chinese made reproduction POS! Bottom line some folks use the Pertronix to mask problems with a worn out distributor that just needs *proper servicing*. Some years ago at a West Coast AH meetup all but two cars made it to the car show... The two with Pertronix ignitions that failed. Amazingly all of the properly restored Concours cars made it there just fine. On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 4:59 PM warthodson--- via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > If I recall correctly, Isn't Jeff adamantly against Pertronix ignitions? > I am not sure why he dislikes them. For me the advantages out way the > originality of a points system. I do like the way he rebuilds the OE > distributors. > Gary Hodson > > > > Jeff is the guy I recommended and who for a nominal sum was willing to > polish the distributor. > > Best--Michael Oritt > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomfelts at windstream.net Wed Aug 24 03:59:27 2022 From: tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 05:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: References: <1266629756.84828.1661195087508.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1266629756.84828.1661195087508@mail.yahoo.com> <374557526.1519945.1661285532875@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <723920429.52022948.1661335167964.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> I use Pertronix (for the last 18 years) i my BJ8 not because of a worn dist, but because it makes the car run far better. And--I dont have to frequently "adjust" those antique points. Also use Pertronix in me 66 E-type. Have for years. Wouldn't leave home without it.tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Curtis Arndt To: warthodson at aol.com Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 04:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Most folks I've run into with Pertronix ignitions use them instead of rebuilding their distributor properly. The Pertronix can make a worn out distributor run better especially if the shaft bushing is worn. Here's an idea, restore the distributor PROPERLY and replace worn parts. Use NOS ignition parts and your car will run just fine! I have a lifetime supply of NOS caps, rotors, points and condensers, all from eBay, and no more expensive than buying cheap Chinese made reproduction POS! Bottom line some folks use the Pertronix to mask problems with a worn out distributor that just needs proper servicing. Some years ago at a West Coast AH meetup all but two cars made it to the car show... The two with Pertronix ignitions that failed. Amazingly all of the properly restored Concours cars made it there just fine. On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 4:59 PM warthodson--- via Healeys wrote: If I recall correctly, Isn't Jeff adamantly against Pertronix ignitions? I am not sure why he dislikes them. For me the advantages out way the originality of a points system. I do like the way he rebuilds the OE distributors. Gary Hodson Jeff is the guy I recommended and who for a nominal sum was willing to polish the distributor.Best--Michael Oritt _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeyshttp://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.oritt at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 04:28:40 2022 From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 06:28:40 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: References: <1266629756.84828.1661195087508.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1266629756.84828.1661195087508@mail.yahoo.com> <374557526.1519945.1661285532875@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jeff put Pertronix units in the 23D distributors I use in both my Elva race cars. This was about ten years ago and perhaps his sentiments have changed since then--remember the red rotors that were great when they first came out and then problems seemed to develop with them, esp. with counterfeits. Curt is correct in that some folks switch to Pertronix to mask or get around underlying problems. I've had great results with properly rebuilt distributors AND Pertronix units. The absence of the condenser gives one less component to fail and it is sometimes difficult to diagnose when it is bad whereas when a Pertronix unit fails it simply FAILS. Best--Michael Oritt On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 5:24 AM Curtis Arndt wrote: > Most folks I've run into with Pertronix ignitions use them instead of > rebuilding their distributor properly. The Pertronix can make a worn out > distributor run better especially if the shaft bushing is worn. > > Here's an idea, restore the distributor PROPERLY and replace worn parts. > Use NOS ignition parts and your car will run just fine! I have a lifetime > supply of NOS caps, rotors, points and condensers, all from eBay, and no > more expensive than buying cheap Chinese made reproduction POS! > > Bottom line some folks use the Pertronix to mask problems with a worn > out distributor that just needs *proper servicing*. Some years ago at a > West Coast AH meetup all but two cars made it to the car show... The two > with Pertronix ignitions that failed. Amazingly all of the properly > restored Concours cars made it there just fine. > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 4:59 PM warthodson--- via Healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> If I recall correctly, Isn't Jeff adamantly against Pertronix ignitions? >> I am not sure why he dislikes them. For me the advantages out way the >> originality of a points system. I do like the way he rebuilds the OE >> distributors. >> Gary Hodson >> >> >> >> Jeff is the guy I recommended and who for a nominal sum was willing to >> polish the distributor. >> >> Best--Michael Oritt >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ah100tech at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 05:04:47 2022 From: ah100tech at gmail.com (john harper) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 12:04:47 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: References: <1266629756.84828.1661195087508.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1266629756.84828.1661195087508@mail.yahoo.com> <374557526.1519945.1661285532875@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Michael After the BN2 production had ceased Lucas supplied a 45D - rolling weight distributor as a service replacement. On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 at 10:12, Michael MacLean wrote: > Jeff rebuilt the distributor for my BN2 by putting 45D guts in it. When I > asked him about installing a Pertonix unit, he said to just leave the > points in it and save the money. > Mike MacLean > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 8:34 PM Jean Caron via Healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Gary, >> Never heard he did not like Pertronix, as far as I am concerned if you >> have a good rebuilt distributor, I would prefer points as I can fix them on >> the road if needed and they are far more economical. A Pertronix will, for >> a while, hide the proper functioning of a worn distributor. Our cars, due >> to their age, the technology of the day, means that they need far more >> frequent servicing and the distributor is one of those items, while strong, >> eventually will need a rebuilt. It is a great thing that we have guys like >> Jeff that specialize in this type of service so we can put some more miles >> on our cars for years to come. >> >> Jean >> >> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada?s largest network. >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Healeys on behalf of >> warthodson--- via Healeys >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2022 3:12:12 PM >> *To:* healeys at autox.team.net ; ryan at jimryan.com < >> ryan at jimryan.com> >> *Cc:* healeys at autox.team.net >> *Subject:* [Healeys] Distributor guy >> >> If I recall correctly, Isn't Jeff adamantly against Pertronix ignitions? >> I am not sure why he dislikes them. For me the advantages out way the >> originality of a points system. I do like the way he rebuilds the OE >> distributors. >> Gary Hodson >> >> >> >> Jeff is the guy I recommended and who for a nominal sum was willing to >> polish the distributor. >> >> Best--Michael Oritt >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ah100tech at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Wed Aug 24 05:23:26 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 04:23:26 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <723920429.52022948.1661335167964.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> References: <1266629756.84828.1661195087508.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1266629756.84828.1661195087508@mail.yahoo.com> <374557526.1519945.1661285532875@mail.yahoo.com> <723920429.52022948.1661335167964.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> Message-ID: <055af94f-7be1-9724-047a-a81f0ae09abe@comcast.net> Same here. I've got over 100K miles on a Pertronix in my BJ8 with nary a problem. My BN2, and my dad's '55 T-Bird and '65 Mustang had Pertronix in them when I sold them, and we never had a problem with any of them. The BN2 Pertronix is unique, I think, in that it didn't use a magnet collar on the distributor shaft; I guess the shape of the lobes was enough to trigger the 'contacts' (would be hard to fit one under that dinky cap anyway). Until a few years ago I took a long road trip every year; up to 5,000 miles. I didn't want to have to file/re-time or otherwise futz with points in a motel parking lot. Why do you think many/most modern cars can go up to 100K without a 'tuneup?' ... no distributors at all, and exotic metal plugs (but don't get me started on coil-on-plug--it took the OEMs a while to figure those out). On 8/24/2022 2:59 AM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote: > I use Pertronix (for the last 18 years) i my BJ8 not because of a worn > dist, but because it makes the car run far better. And--I dont have to > frequently "adjust" those antique points. Also use Pertronix in me 66 > E-type.? Have for years. Wouldn't leave home without it. > > tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Curtis Arndt > To: warthodson at aol.com > Cc: healeys at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 04:25:40 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy > > Most folks I've run into with Pertronix ignitions use them instead of > rebuilding their distributor properly. The Pertronix can make a worn > out distributor run better especially if the shaft bushing is worn. > > Here's an idea, restore the distributor PROPERLY and replace worn > parts.? Use NOS ignition parts and your car will run just fine! I have > a lifetime supply of NOS caps, rotors, points and condensers, all from > eBay, and no more expensive than buying cheap Chinese made > reproduction POS! > > Bottom line some folks use the Pertronix to mask problems with a worn > out?distributor that just needs _proper servicing_. Some years ago at > a West Coast AH meetup all but two cars made it to the car show... The > two with Pertronix ignitions that failed. Amazingly all of the > properly restored Concours?cars made it there just fine. > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 4:59 PM warthodson--- via Healeys > wrote: > > If I recall correctly, Isn't Jeff adamantly against Pertronix > ignitions?? I am not sure why he dislikes them. For me the > advantages out way the originality of a points system.? I do like > the way he rebuilds the OE distributors. > > Gary Hodson > > > > Jeff is the guy I recommended and who for a nominal sum was > willing to polish the distributor. > > Best--Michael Oritt > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rfbegani at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 09:15:55 2022 From: rfbegani at gmail.com (rfbegani at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 11:15:55 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <723920429.52022948.1661335167964.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> References: <1266629756.84828.1661195087508.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1266629756.84828.1661195087508@mail.yahoo.com> <374557526.1519945.1661285532875@mail.yahoo.com> <723920429.52022948.1661335167964.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> Message-ID: <08db01d8b7cc$6852fc30$38f8f490$@gmail.com> I agree with Tom, my BJ8 has had the same Petronix for 20 years and enjoy the reliability. Keep thinking I should install the spare unit on the shelf. Bob Begani 67 BJ8 From: Healeys On Behalf Of Tom Felts via Healeys Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 5:59 AM To: Curtis Arndt Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy I use Pertronix (for the last 18 years) i my BJ8 not because of a worn dist, but because it makes the car run far better. And--I dont have to frequently "adjust" those antique points. Also use Pertronix in me 66 E-type. Have for years. Wouldn't leave home without it. tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Curtis Arndt > To: warthodson at aol.com Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 04:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Most folks I've run into with Pertronix ignitions use them instead of rebuilding their distributor properly. The Pertronix can make a worn out distributor run better especially if the shaft bushing is worn. Here's an idea, restore the distributor PROPERLY and replace worn parts. Use NOS ignition parts and your car will run just fine! I have a lifetime supply of NOS caps, rotors, points and condensers, all from eBay, and no more expensive than buying cheap Chinese made reproduction POS! Bottom line some folks use the Pertronix to mask problems with a worn out distributor that just needs proper servicing. Some years ago at a West Coast AH meetup all but two cars made it to the car show... The two with Pertronix ignitions that failed. Amazingly all of the properly restored Concours cars made it there just fine. On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 4:59 PM warthodson--- via Healeys > wrote: If I recall correctly, Isn't Jeff adamantly against Pertronix ignitions? I am not sure why he dislikes them. For me the advantages out way the originality of a points system. I do like the way he rebuilds the OE distributors. Gary Hodson Jeff is the guy I recommended and who for a nominal sum was willing to polish the distributor. Best--Michael Oritt _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeyshttp://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfuller194 at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 18:28:10 2022 From: alfuller194 at gmail.com (alfuller194 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 17:28:10 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: References: <1266629756.84828.1661195087508.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1266629756.84828.1661195087508@mail.yahoo.com> <374557526.1519945.1661285532875@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02ae01d8b9ab$e3c05ad0$ab411070$@gmail.com> Curt ? FWIW I?m one of those folk who needed a distributer rebuild, as you could see the wobble in the distributer shaft? My decision was to go with a whole Pertronix distributor [as opposed to putting a Pertronix hall effect insert into the old distributor]. I?m happy with having a modern spark system, as opposed to the hundred year old technology it replaced. I do realize that if I had rebuilt the original distributor the points would stay in adjustment far longer than they did with the wobbly distributor, but it still feels like the car will be more reliable with the new setup. Also FWIW, the car was recently driven 2200+ miles from Detroit to Las Vegas. It struggled climbing from ~5000 ft to ~11,000 ft with its sea-level carb jets, but other than that ? nary a problem! ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller From: Healeys On Behalf Of Curtis Arndt Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 1:26 AM To: warthodson at aol.com Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Most folks I've run into with Pertronix ignitions use them instead of rebuilding their distributor properly. The Pertronix can make a worn out distributor run better especially if the shaft bushing is worn. Here's an idea, restore the distributor PROPERLY and replace worn parts. Use NOS ignition parts and your car will run just fine! I have a lifetime supply of NOS caps, rotors, points and condensers, all from eBay, and no more expensive than buying cheap Chinese made reproduction POS! Bottom line some folks use the Pertronix to mask problems with a worn out distributor that just needs proper servicing. Some years ago at a West Coast AH meetup all but two cars made it to the car show... The two with Pertronix ignitions that failed. Amazingly all of the properly restored Concours cars made it there just fine. On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 4:59 PM warthodson--- via Healeys > wrote: If I recall correctly, Isn't Jeff adamantly against Pertronix ignitions? I am not sure why he dislikes them. For me the advantages out way the originality of a points system. I do like the way he rebuilds the OE distributors. Gary Hodson Jeff is the guy I recommended and who for a nominal sum was willing to polish the distributor. Best--Michael Oritt _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healey.nut at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 20:38:50 2022 From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 10:38:50 +0800 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <374557526.1519945.1661285532875@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1266629756.84828.1661195087508.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1266629756.84828.1661195087508@mail.yahoo.com> <374557526.1519945.1661285532875@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yep, Gary, he doesn't like the Pertronix. but he knows his way around distributors for sure. On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 7:44 AM warthodson--- via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > If I recall correctly, Isn't Jeff adamantly against Pertronix ignitions? > I am not sure why he dislikes them. For me the advantages out way the > originality of a points system. I do like the way he rebuilds the OE > distributors. > Gary Hodson > > > > Jeff is the guy I recommended and who for a nominal sum was willing to > polish the distributor. > > Best--Michael Oritt > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healey.nut at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 20:40:23 2022 From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 10:40:23 +0800 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <723920429.52022948.1661335167964.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> References: <1266629756.84828.1661195087508.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1266629756.84828.1661195087508@mail.yahoo.com> <374557526.1519945.1661285532875@mail.yahoo.com> <723920429.52022948.1661335167964.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> Message-ID: agreed, if you are driving daily, like I used to do with my BJ8, Pertronix is the way to go. Same same, I actually put the Pertronix in a brand new dizzy. On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 6:58 PM Tom Felts via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > I use Pertronix (for the last 18 years) i my BJ8 not because of a worn > dist, but because it makes the car run far better. And--I dont have to > frequently "adjust" those antique points. Also use Pertronix in me 66 > E-type. Have for years. Wouldn't leave home without it. > > tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Curtis Arndt > To: warthodson at aol.com > Cc: healeys at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 04:25:40 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy > > Most folks I've run into with Pertronix ignitions use them instead of > rebuilding their distributor properly. The Pertronix can make a worn out > distributor run better especially if the shaft bushing is worn. > > Here's an idea, restore the distributor PROPERLY and replace worn parts. > Use NOS ignition parts and your car will run just fine! I have a lifetime > supply of NOS caps, rotors, points and condensers, all from eBay, and no > more expensive than buying cheap Chinese made reproduction POS! > > Bottom line some folks use the Pertronix to mask problems with a worn > out distributor that just needs *proper servicing*. Some years ago at a > West Coast AH meetup all but two cars made it to the car show... The two > with Pertronix ignitions that failed. Amazingly all of the properly > restored Concours cars made it there just fine. > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 4:59 PM warthodson--- via Healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> If I recall correctly, Isn't Jeff adamantly against Pertronix ignitions? >> I am not sure why he dislikes them. For me the advantages out way the >> originality of a points system. I do like the way he rebuilds the OE >> distributors. >> >> Gary Hodson >> >> >> >> Jeff is the guy I recommended and who for a nominal sum was willing to >> polish the distributor. >> >> Best--Michael Oritt >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have an electric water pump and electric fan on the shelf to be fitted to the Healey Saloon in a month or so, but will be not fitting a controller and not removing the mechanical pump or thermostat. I still want manual control over what happens to a 1948 car. All components are made here in Australia. Hoo Roo Patrick Quinn Blue Mountains, Australia From: Healeys On Behalf Of Bob Haskell Sent: Monday, 29 August 2022 7:02 AM To: Healey List Subject: [Healeys] Electric water pumps Anyone fitted an electric water pump to replace the mechanical pump? One can go whole hog with an electric fan, a temperature sensor in the upper radiator hose and a controller. Takes the place of the thermostat and the impeller on the mechanical pump. https://daviescraig.com/electric-water-pumps A bit beyond a Pertronix, but still reversible. -- Cheers, Bob Haskell Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healey.nut at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 21:56:32 2022 From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 11:56:32 +0800 Subject: [Healeys] Electric water pumps In-Reply-To: <369d6c3c-c7b5-e683-6c28-060d9448d89c@earthlink.net> References: <369d6c3c-c7b5-e683-6c28-060d9448d89c@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Bob - Just remember that the cooling system is meant to work in balance, so increasing the water flow through the system often may not actually reduce temperatures, since the water must flow through the radiator slowly enough to cool down. If you push water through the radiator too fast, you might just end up recycling hot water back into a hot engine. So if you put a pump on the car, I would put a supplementary tandem pump, not one that is meant to work alone. Best, Alan On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 6:43 AM Bob Haskell wrote: > Anyone fitted an electric water pump to replace the mechanical pump? One > can go whole hog with an electric fan, a temperature sensor in the upper > radiator hose and a controller. Takes the place of the thermostat and the > impeller on the mechanical pump. > > https://daviescraig.com/electric-water-pumps > > A bit beyond a Pertronix, but still reversible. > > -- > Cheers, > > Bob Haskell > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healeybruce at roadrunner.com Sun Aug 28 23:05:49 2022 From: healeybruce at roadrunner.com (Bruce Steele) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 22:05:49 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <02ae01d8b9ab$e3c05ad0$ab411070$@gmail.com> References: <1266629756.84828.1661195087508.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1266629756.84828.1661195087508@mail.yahoo.com> <374557526.1519945.1661285532875@mail.yahoo.com> <02ae01d8b9ab$e3c05ad0$ab411070$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005d01d8bb65$01eab680$05c02380$@roadrunner.com> Al, I, too, had significant wobble in the shaft?it was apparent in the timing jumping around considerably. Jeff installed a bearing in my original distributor as part of the rebuild and it works great. As with your situation, putting a Pertronix unit in a worn distributor doesn?t seem terribly wise. Bruce Steele Brea, CA 1960 BN7 From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of alfuller194 at gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 5:28 PM To: 'Austin Healey' Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Curt ? FWIW I?m one of those folk who needed a distributer rebuild, as you could see the wobble in the distributer shaft? My decision was to go with a whole Pertronix distributor [as opposed to putting a Pertronix hall effect insert into the old distributor]. I?m happy with having a modern spark system, as opposed to the hundred year old technology it replaced. I do realize that if I had rebuilt the original distributor the points would stay in adjustment far longer than they did with the wobbly distributor, but it still feels like the car will be more reliable with the new setup. Also FWIW, the car was recently driven 2200+ miles from Detroit to Las Vegas. It struggled climbing from ~5000 ft to ~11,000 ft with its sea-level carb jets, but other than that ? nary a problem! ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller From: Healeys > On Behalf Of Curtis Arndt Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 1:26 AM To: warthodson at aol.com Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Most folks I've run into with Pertronix ignitions use them instead of rebuilding their distributor properly. The Pertronix can make a worn out distributor run better especially if the shaft bushing is worn. Here's an idea, restore the distributor PROPERLY and replace worn parts. Use NOS ignition parts and your car will run just fine! I have a lifetime supply of NOS caps, rotors, points and condensers, all from eBay, and no more expensive than buying cheap Chinese made reproduction POS! Bottom line some folks use the Pertronix to mask problems with a worn out distributor that just needs proper servicing. Some years ago at a West Coast AH meetup all but two cars made it to the car show... The two with Pertronix ignitions that failed. Amazingly all of the properly restored Concours cars made it there just fine. On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 4:59 PM warthodson--- via Healeys > wrote: If I recall correctly, Isn't Jeff adamantly against Pertronix ignitions? I am not sure why he dislikes them. For me the advantages out way the originality of a points system. I do like the way he rebuilds the OE distributors. Gary Hodson Jeff is the guy I recommended and who for a nominal sum was willing to polish the distributor. Best--Michael Oritt _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rchaskell at earthlink.net Mon Aug 29 04:04:48 2022 From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 06:04:48 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Electric water pumps In-Reply-To: References: <369d6c3c-c7b5-e683-6c28-060d9448d89c@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <93cab8df-1710-d9c9-c717-70e982a6acc9@earthlink.net> Alan, I have the same concern.? I sent their US rep an email asking about that.? Seems like there ought to be a temperature sensor in the lower radiator hose to look at the temperature drop between radiator in/out.? The temperature drop would be affected by (electric) fan speed and the flow rate. They sell different size pumps.? Based on their table, the EWP115 (115liters/minute maximum) is what they recommend for engines between 2.0 and 3.5 liters.? Anyone know what the flow rate is for a stock water pump? Cheers, Bob Haskell Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar On 8/28/22 11:56 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote: > Hi Bob - > > Just remember that the cooling system is meant to work in balance, so > increasing the water flow through the system often may not actually > reduce temperatures, since the water must flow through the radiator > slowly enough to cool down.? If you push water through the radiator > too fast, you might just end up recycling hot water back into a hot > engine.? So if you put a pump on the car, I would put a supplementary > tandem pump, not one that is meant to work alone. > > Best, > > Alan > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 6:43 AM Bob Haskell > wrote: > > Anyone fitted an electric water pump to replace the mechanical > pump?? One can go whole hog with an electric fan, a temperature > sensor in the upper radiator hose and a controller.? Takes the > place of the thermostat and the impeller on the mechanical pump. > > https://daviescraig.com/electric-water-pumps > > A bit beyond a Pertronix, but still reversible. > > -- > Cheers, > > Bob Haskell > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation? $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com > From michael.oritt at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 05:21:16 2022 From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 07:21:16 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Electric water pumps In-Reply-To: References: <369d6c3c-c7b5-e683-6c28-060d9448d89c@earthlink.net> Message-ID: The same could be said for the oil pump whose role is much more critical than the water pump. Since it is driven by the cam it operates in direct variation to engine speed and is supplying less oil under less pressure in top gear at highway cruising speed than when in lower gears accelerating, etc. Since there is a bypass valve in the oil system perhaps there is an abundance of oil being pumped through the engine and this is not an issue, but at least theoretically the situation is the same. And for those of us old enough to remember how old vacuum-operated windshield worked you had the same deficiency under acceleration when you might most need a clear view. Just sayin.... Best--Michael Oritt On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 11:58 PM Alan Seigrist via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Hi Bob - > > Just remember that the cooling system is meant to work in balance, so > increasing the water flow through the system often may not actually reduce > temperatures, since the water must flow through the radiator slowly enough > to cool down. If you push water through the radiator too fast, you might > just end up recycling hot water back into a hot engine. So if you put a > pump on the car, I would put a supplementary tandem pump, not one that is > meant to work alone. > > Best, > > Alan > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 6:43 AM Bob Haskell > wrote: > >> Anyone fitted an electric water pump to replace the mechanical pump? One >> can go whole hog with an electric fan, a temperature sensor in the upper >> radiator hose and a controller. Takes the place of the thermostat and the >> impeller on the mechanical pump. >> >> https://daviescraig.com/electric-water-pumps >> >> A bit beyond a Pertronix, but still reversible. >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> >> Bob Haskell >> Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> wrote: > It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, > including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit. I'm > very happy with the results. > Pat Williams > 1960 BT7 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ahbn6 at verizon.net Mon Aug 29 09:04:58 2022 From: ahbn6 at verizon.net (ahbn6 at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 11:04:58 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000101d8bbb8$b538e150$1faaa3f0$@verizon.net> To add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in Las Vegas years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A highway patrolman stopped and repaired it with super glue and a rubber band. I limped home 15 miles ? put on another rotor and kept a spare for safety and the repaired one in the parcel shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit John Sims www.healey6.com Matawan, NJ From: Healeys On Behalf Of Jim Ryan Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM To: patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> Cc: List Healey Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same manner if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare? I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here. On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com > wrote: It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit. I'm very happy with the results. Pat Williams 1960 BT7 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Mon Aug 29 09:24:37 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 08:24:37 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8e751324-89eb-31af-93a5-3db0df5cad01@comcast.net> After almost 100K trouble-free miles on a Pertronix in my BJ8 I bought another--'just because'--mainly so I could use the first one as a spare. Both are wired with spade terminals so as to be easily replaced; though I would have to cut some shrink-wrap I used to protect the connections*. The only downside is apparently Pertronix made some changes, probably to the base plate, and the new one required re-timing. Not ideal for a roadside swap, but you can time reasonably well with 'time if for best idle' and 'back-it-off-until-it-quits-pinging' techniques (and the small adjustments you can make with the 'A-D' knob). You'll need a feeler gauge--though I'm told a matchbook cover is about right--or, better yet, a dwell meter to set the points gap (the gap changes as the points wear, and don't forget to grease the cam). Compared to fiddling with the small nuts and screws, and the complex 'stacking order' of points pieces it's a piece of cake (though you do have a couple screws to mess with either way; I always carry a flexible magnetic pick-up tool in my roadside kit). *Side note: I wired my on-the-shift-lever O/D switch with spade connectors, so I can get the knob off/on easily to replace rubber boots that don't seem to last long (enough). Last time I had the knob off I discovered one of the connectors had almost worked loose; it turns out most of these connectors, which often come in a kit, are absolute junk (made in you-know-where). I bought several kits until I found a brand that resisted disconnection. Be aware. On 8/29/2022 7:12 AM, Jim Ryan wrote: > Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points > has always been that you can replace the points in the event of a > failure on the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this > unit in the same manner if you carried a spare, and what would the > cost be for that spare? I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here. > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> wrote: > > It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, > including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix > unit.? I'm very happy with the results. > Pat Williams > 1960 BT7 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryan at jimryan.com Mon Aug 29 09:32:42 2022 From: ryan at jimryan.com (Jim Ryan) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 11:32:42 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <000101d8bbb8$b538e150$1faaa3f0$@verizon.net> References: <000101d8bbb8$b538e150$1faaa3f0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: You should have driven to the nearest slot and pulled the handle. Great story! But that's my question. If you had a spare Pertronix unit (I have never seen one, nor bought one), could you have just swapped it out? Or is that too expensive/difficult in that situation? ...of course, the story is more important. On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 11:05 AM wrote: > * To add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in Las Vegas > years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A highway patrolman > stopped and repaired it with super glue and a rubber band. I limped home 15 > miles ? put on another rotor and kept a spare for safety and the repaired > one in the parcel shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit* > > > > *John Sims* > > *www.healey6.com * > > *Matawan, NJ* > > > > *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Jim Ryan > *Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM > *To:* patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> > *Cc:* List Healey > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy > > > > Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has > always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on > the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same > manner if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare? > I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here. > > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> wrote: > > It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, > including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit. I'm > very happy with the results. > > Pat Williams > > 1960 BT7 > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com > > -- Jim Ryan ???? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From warthodson at aol.com Mon Aug 29 10:13:04 2022 From: warthodson at aol.com (warthodson at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 16:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <713305053.969582.1661789584026@mail.yahoo.com> Jim,I have a Pertronix ignition my rebuilt Lucas distributer & I carry a spare Pertronix in the event of a failure. I have never needed to replace it in over 10 years of long road trips. I am sure it would be easier to replace a Pertronix with a Pertronix & it would be easier that replacing a Lucas with a Lucas. No points to adjust, no condenser to replace.?It does not make any sense to me to try to replace a Pertronix with a Lucas at the side of the road.?Gary -----Original Message----- From: Jim Ryan To: patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> Cc: List Healey Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 9:12 am Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same manner if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare? I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here. On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> wrote: It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit.? I'm very happy with the results.Pat Williams1960 BT7 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From warthodson at aol.com Mon Aug 29 10:15:54 2022 From: warthodson at aol.com (warthodson at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 16:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <000101d8bbb8$b538e150$1faaa3f0$@verizon.net> References: <000101d8bbb8$b538e150$1faaa3f0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <166631215.963204.1661789754895@mail.yahoo.com> Why couldn't you do that with a Pertronix, it require a rotor.Gary -----Original Message----- From: ahbn6--- via Healeys To: 'Jim Ryan' ; 'patrick williams' <2x2doc at gmail.com> Cc: 'List Healey' Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 10:04 am Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy To add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in Las Vegas years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A highway patrolman stopped and repaired it with super glue and a rubber band. I limped home 15 miles ? put on another rotor and kept a spare for safety and the repaired one in the parcel shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit ?John Simswww.healey6.comMatawan, NJ ?From: Healeys On Behalf Of Jim Ryan Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM To: patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> Cc: List Healey Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy ?Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same manner if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare? I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here. ?On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> wrote: It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit.? I'm very happy with the results.Pat Williams1960 BT7_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/warthodson at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfbegani at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 10:32:46 2022 From: rfbegani at gmail.com (rfbegani at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 12:32:46 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Electric water pumps In-Reply-To: <93cab8df-1710-d9c9-c717-70e982a6acc9@earthlink.net> References: <369d6c3c-c7b5-e683-6c28-060d9448d89c@earthlink.net> <93cab8df-1710-d9c9-c717-70e982a6acc9@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <01f301d8bbc4$f92734f0$eb759ed0$@gmail.com> Guys, I have tested the temperature of the water at the hose coming to the radiator and at the bottom going up to the inlet. While I do not have exact information because I am not in Florida, I can assure you there is a very nice differential between the hot incoming and the much cooler out going of the radiator. Other on this list who are using the Davis water pump are considering removing the fan altogether. I have removed my Texas Fan as it is no longer needed. Try it you will like it. Remember modern automobiles have electric pump moving water to and from the radiator as they were designed without a fan/water pump. Summit Racing has the water pumps in stock. Bob Begani -----Original Message----- From: Healeys On Behalf Of Bob Haskell via Healeys Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 6:05 AM To: Alan Seigrist Cc: Healey List Subject: Re: [Healeys] Electric water pumps Alan, I have the same concern. I sent their US rep an email asking about that. Seems like there ought to be a temperature sensor in the lower radiator hose to look at the temperature drop between radiator in/out. The temperature drop would be affected by (electric) fan speed and the flow rate. They sell different size pumps. Based on their table, the EWP115 (115liters/minute maximum) is what they recommend for engines between 2.0 and 3.5 liters. Anyone know what the flow rate is for a stock water pump? Cheers, Bob Haskell Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar On 8/28/22 11:56 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote: > Hi Bob - > > Just remember that the cooling system is meant to work in balance, so > increasing the water flow through the system often may not actually > reduce temperatures, since the water must flow through the radiator > slowly enough to cool down. If you push water through the radiator > too fast, you might just end up recycling hot water back into a hot > engine. So if you put a pump on the car, I would put a supplementary > tandem pump, not one that is meant to work alone. > > Best, > > Alan > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 6:43 AM Bob Haskell > wrote: > > Anyone fitted an electric water pump to replace the mechanical > pump? One can go whole hog with an electric fan, a temperature > sensor in the upper radiator hose and a controller. Takes the > place of the thermostat and the impeller on the mechanical pump. > > https://daviescraig.com/electric-water-pumps > > A bit beyond a Pertronix, but still reversible. > > -- > Cheers, > > Bob Haskell > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rfbegani at gmail.com From dwflagg at juno.com Mon Aug 29 11:00:50 2022 From: dwflagg at juno.com (dwflagg at juno.com) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 17:00:50 GMT Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy Message-ID: <20220829.130050.20213.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Also, years ago whilst traveling the New York State Thruway I came upon a disabled Austin Healey whilst driving my own to a fraternity brother's wedding. This was before cell phones. Disabled vehicles were at the mercy of tow trucks and exorbitant fees. It was determined there was no spark. With no tools but just a nail clipper with a nail file, we filed the points, and were both on our way! Try that with a Pertronix unit! DougTo add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in Las Vegas years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A highway patrolman stopped and repaired it with super glue and a rubber band. I limped home 15 miles – put on another rotor and kept a spare for safety and the repaired one in the parcel shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit John Simswww.healey6.comMatawan, NJ From: Healeys On Behalf Of Jim Ryan Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM To: patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> Cc: List Healey Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same manner if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare? I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here. On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> wrote:It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit. I'm very happy with the results.Pat Williams1960 BT7_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tomfelts at windstream.net Mon Aug 29 11:18:36 2022 From: Tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 13:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <000101d8bbb8$b538e150$1faaa3f0$@verizon.net> References: <000101d8bbb8$b538e150$1faaa3f0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <335419665.59332153.1661793516629.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> I keep a spare Pertronix (in my cars) and have replaced one once. I burned it out, it did not fail Oh, and it took about 6 minutes to replace Try that with points:) ----- Original Message ----- From: ahbn6--- via Healeys To: 'Jim Ryan' , 'patrick williams' <2x2doc at gmail.com> Cc: 'List Healey' Sent: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 11:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy To add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in Las Vegas years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A highway patrolman stopped and repaired it with super glue and a rubber band. I limped home 15 miles ? put on another rotor and kept a spare for safety and the repaired one in the parcel shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit John Sims www.healey6.com Matawan, NJ From: Healeys On Behalf Of Jim Ryan Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM To: patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> Cc: List Healey Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same manner if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare? I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here. On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com > wrote: It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit. I'm very happy with the results. Pat Williams 1960 BT7 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com From sentenac.rw at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 14:16:25 2022 From: sentenac.rw at gmail.com (Roland Wilhelmy) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 13:16:25 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <000101d8bbb8$b538e150$1faaa3f0$@verizon.net> References: <000101d8bbb8$b538e150$1faaa3f0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Hey, this debate over distributors is better than the ones we've had over silicone fluid or synthetic oils. Keep smiling and keep talking, please. -Roland On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:43 AM ahbn6--- via Healeys wrote: > * To add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in Las Vegas > years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A highway patrolman > stopped and repaired it with super glue and a rubber band. I limped home 15 > miles ? put on another rotor and kept a spare for safety and the repaired > one in the parcel shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit* > > > > *John Sims* > > *www.healey6.com * > > *Matawan, NJ* > > > > *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Jim Ryan > *Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM > *To:* patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> > *Cc:* List Healey > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy > > > > Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has > always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on > the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same > manner if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare? > I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here. > > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> wrote: > > It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, > including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit. 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URL: From warthodson at aol.com Mon Aug 29 15:40:23 2022 From: warthodson at aol.com (warthodson at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 21:40:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <20220829.130050.20213.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> References: <20220829.130050.20213.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <1642592183.1120055.1661809224001@mail.yahoo.com> Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the answer is: "the car would not have been disabled due to the points failing".? Gary -----Original Message----- From: dwflagg--- via Healeys To: ahbn6 at verizon.net Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pm Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Also, years ago whilst traveling the New York State Thruway I came upon a disabled Austin Healey whilst driving my own to a fraternity?brother's wedding. This was before cell phones. Disabled vehicles were at the mercy of tow trucks and?exorbitant fees. It was determined?there was no spark. With no tools but just a nail clipper with a nail file, we filed the points,?and were both on our?way! Try?that with a Pertronix unit!?Doug To add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in Las Vegas years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A highway patrolman stopped and repaired it with super glue and a rubber band. I limped home 15 miles ? put on another rotor and kept a spare for safety and the repaired one in the parcel shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit ?John Simswww.healey6.comMatawan, NJ?From: Healeys On Behalf Of Jim Ryan Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM To: patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> Cc: List Healey Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy?Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same manner if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare? I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here.?On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> wrote: It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit.? I'm very happy with the results.Pat Williams1960 BT7_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/warthodson at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Mon Aug 29 15:56:46 2022 From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 22:56:46 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <335419665.59332153.1661793516629.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> References: <000101d8bbb8$b538e150$1faaa3f0$@verizon.net> <335419665.59332153.1661793516629.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> Message-ID: <003501d8bbf2$3d0a3af0$b71eb0d0$@alexarevel.plus.com> Well, just to vary the pace a bit...............I have a 123 distributor in my car and carry a Lucas distributor fitted with Pertronix in the boot. Simon -----Original Message----- From: Healeys On Behalf Of Tom Felts via Healeys Sent: 29 August 2022 18:19 To: ahbn6 at verizon.net Cc: 'List Healey' ; 'patrick williams' <2x2doc at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy I keep a spare Pertronix (in my cars) and have replaced one once. I burned it out, it did not fail Oh, and it took about 6 minutes to replace Try that with points:) From healey.nut at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 18:20:29 2022 From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 08:20:29 +0800 Subject: [Healeys] Electric water pumps In-Reply-To: References: <369d6c3c-c7b5-e683-6c28-060d9448d89c@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I used to have a ?66 Bronco with the fold down screen so Ford put vacuum wipers on it. when it rained I would have to alternate speeding up and then ?jake braking? to get the wipers to go fast enough to clear the water off the windshield in a heavy downpour? On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 at 7:21 PM, Michael Oritt wrote: > The same could be said for the oil pump whose role is much more critical > than the water pump. Since it is driven by the cam it operates in direct > variation to engine speed and is supplying less oil under less pressure in > top gear at highway cruising speed than when in lower gears accelerating, > etc. Since there is a bypass valve in the oil system perhaps there is an > abundance of oil being pumped through the engine and this is not an issue, > but at least theoretically the situation is the same. And for those of us > old enough to remember how old vacuum-operated windshield worked you had > the same deficiency under acceleration when you might most need a clear > view. > > Just sayin.... > > Best--Michael Oritt > > On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 11:58 PM Alan Seigrist via Healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Hi Bob - >> >> Just remember that the cooling system is meant to work in balance, so >> increasing the water flow through the system often may not actually reduce >> temperatures, since the water must flow through the radiator slowly enough >> to cool down. If you push water through the radiator too fast, you might >> just end up recycling hot water back into a hot engine. So if you put a >> pump on the car, I would put a supplementary tandem pump, not one that is >> meant to work alone. >> >> Best, >> >> Alan >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 6:43 AM Bob Haskell >> wrote: >> >>> Anyone fitted an electric water pump to replace the mechanical pump? >>> One can go whole hog with an electric fan, a temperature sensor in the >>> upper radiator hose and a controller. Takes the place of the thermostat >>> and the impeller on the mechanical pump. >>> >>> https://daviescraig.com/electric-water-pumps >>> >>> A bit beyond a Pertronix, but still reversible. >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Bob Haskell >>> Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >>> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have removed my Texas > Fan as it is no longer needed. Try it you will like it. Remember modern > automobiles have electric pump moving water to and from the radiator as > they were designed without a fan/water pump. > > Summit Racing has the water pumps in stock. > > Bob Begani > > -----Original Message----- > From: Healeys On Behalf Of Bob Haskell > via Healeys > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 6:05 AM > To: Alan Seigrist > Cc: Healey List > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Electric water pumps > > Alan, > > I have the same concern. I sent their US rep an email asking about that. > Seems like there ought to be a temperature sensor in the lower radiator > hose to look at the temperature drop between radiator in/out. The > temperature drop would be affected by (electric) fan speed and the flow > rate. > > They sell different size pumps. Based on their table, the EWP115 > (115liters/minute maximum) is what they recommend for engines between > 2.0 and 3.5 liters. Anyone know what the flow rate is for a stock water > pump? > > Cheers, > > Bob Haskell > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > > On 8/28/22 11:56 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote: > > Hi Bob - > > > > Just remember that the cooling system is meant to work in balance, so > > increasing the water flow through the system often may not actually > > reduce temperatures, since the water must flow through the radiator > > slowly enough to cool down. If you push water through the radiator > > too fast, you might just end up recycling hot water back into a hot > > engine. So if you put a pump on the car, I would put a supplementary > > tandem pump, not one that is meant to work alone. > > > > Best, > > > > Alan > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 6:43 AM Bob Haskell > > wrote: > > > > Anyone fitted an electric water pump to replace the mechanical > > pump? One can go whole hog with an electric fan, a temperature > > sensor in the upper radiator hose and a controller. Takes the > > place of the thermostat and the impeller on the mechanical pump. > > > > https://daviescraig.com/electric-water-pumps > > > > A bit beyond a Pertronix, but still reversible. > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > > > Bob Haskell > > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > > > Healeys at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual > donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rfbegani at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healey.nut at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 18:24:04 2022 From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 08:24:04 +0800 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: you can always replace the pertronix with points by the side of the road as well, so there?s no issue there. I?ve done it! On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 at 10:50 PM, Jim Ryan wrote: > Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has > always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on > the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same > manner if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare? > I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here. > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> wrote: > >> It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, >> including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit. I'm >> very happy with the results. >> Pat Williams >> 1960 BT7 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ynotink at msn.com Mon Aug 29 19:46:22 2022 From: ynotink at msn.com (WILLIAM B LAWRENCE) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 01:46:22 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <1642592183.1120055.1661809224001@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20220829.130050.20213.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <1642592183.1120055.1661809224001@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I?ve been using a pertronix unit in my 100 for over 20 years with no problems. As a fall back I carry a baseplate with points and condenser installed in case the electronics fail. So far no need. Bill Lawrence BN1 #554 ________________________________ From: Healeys on behalf of warthodson--- via Healeys Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 9:40 PM To: healeys at autox.team.net ; ahbn6 at verizon.net Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the answer is: "the car would not have been disabled due to the points failing". Gary -----Original Message----- From: dwflagg--- via Healeys To: ahbn6 at verizon.net Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pm Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Also, years ago whilst traveling the New York State Thruway I came upon a disabled Austin Healey whilst driving my own to a fraternity brother's wedding. This was before cell phones. Disabled vehicles were at the mercy of tow trucks and exorbitant fees. It was determined there was no spark. With no tools but just a nail clipper with a nail file, we filed the points, and were both on our way! Try that with a Pertronix unit! Doug To add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in Las Vegas years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A highway patrolman stopped and repaired it with super glue and a rubber band. I limped home 15 miles ? put on another rotor and kept a spare for safety and the repaired one in the parcel shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit John Sims www.healey6.com Matawan, NJ From: Healeys On Behalf Of Jim Ryan Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM To: patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> Cc: List Healey Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same manner if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare? I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here. On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> wrote: It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit. I'm very happy with the results. 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URL: From ynotink at msn.com Mon Aug 29 19:47:58 2022 From: ynotink at msn.com (WILLIAM B LAWRENCE) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 01:47:58 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: References: <20220829.130050.20213.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <1642592183.1120055.1661809224001@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Now I?m worried because I?ve learned that it?s never smart to brag on your car? ________________________________ From: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 1:46 AM To: warthodson--- via Healeys ; ahbn6 at verizon.net ; warthodson at aol.com Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy I?ve been using a pertronix unit in my 100 for over 20 years with no problems. As a fall back I carry a baseplate with points and condenser installed in case the electronics fail. So far no need. Bill Lawrence BN1 #554 ________________________________ From: Healeys on behalf of warthodson--- via Healeys Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 9:40 PM To: healeys at autox.team.net ; ahbn6 at verizon.net Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the answer is: "the car would not have been disabled due to the points failing". Gary -----Original Message----- From: dwflagg--- via Healeys To: ahbn6 at verizon.net Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pm Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Also, years ago whilst traveling the New York State Thruway I came upon a disabled Austin Healey whilst driving my own to a fraternity brother's wedding. This was before cell phones. Disabled vehicles were at the mercy of tow trucks and exorbitant fees. It was determined there was no spark. With no tools but just a nail clipper with a nail file, we filed the points, and were both on our way! Try that with a Pertronix unit! Doug To add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in Las Vegas years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A highway patrolman stopped and repaired it with super glue and a rubber band. I limped home 15 miles ? put on another rotor and kept a spare for safety and the repaired one in the parcel shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit John Sims www.healey6.com Matawan, NJ From: Healeys On Behalf Of Jim Ryan Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM To: patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> Cc: List Healey Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same manner if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare? I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here. On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> wrote: It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit. I'm very happy with the results. 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URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Mon Aug 29 20:27:07 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 19:27:07 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Electric water pumps In-Reply-To: <01f301d8bbc4$f92734f0$eb759ed0$@gmail.com> References: <369d6c3c-c7b5-e683-6c28-060d9448d89c@earthlink.net> <93cab8df-1710-d9c9-c717-70e982a6acc9@earthlink.net> <01f301d8bbc4$f92734f0$eb759ed0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <93eb3d11-0484-35cf-d9a2-4dc518ecda5e@comcast.net> Got some pics of your installation? Those pumps all looked like turbochargers to me. On 8/29/2022 9:32 AM, rfbegani at gmail.com wrote: > Guys, > > I have tested the temperature of the water at the hose coming to the radiator and at the bottom going up to the inlet. While I do not have exact information because I am not in Florida, I can assure you there is a very nice differential between the hot incoming and the much cooler out going of the radiator. Other on this list who are using the Davis water pump are considering removing the fan altogether. I have removed my Texas Fan as it is no longer needed. Try it you will like it. Remember modern automobiles have electric pump moving water to and from the radiator as they were designed without a fan/water pump. > > Summit Racing has the water pumps in stock. > > Bob Begani > > -----Original Message----- > From: Healeys On Behalf Of Bob Haskell via Healeys > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 6:05 AM > To: Alan Seigrist > Cc: Healey List > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Electric water pumps > > Alan, > > I have the same concern. I sent their US rep an email asking about that. Seems like there ought to be a temperature sensor in the lower radiator hose to look at the temperature drop between radiator in/out. The temperature drop would be affected by (electric) fan speed and the flow rate. > > They sell different size pumps. Based on their table, the EWP115 (115liters/minute maximum) is what they recommend for engines between > 2.0 and 3.5 liters. Anyone know what the flow rate is for a stock water pump? > > Cheers, > > Bob Haskell > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > > On 8/28/22 11:56 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote: >> Hi Bob - >> >> Just remember that the cooling system is meant to work in balance, so >> increasing the water flow through the system often may not actually >> reduce temperatures, since the water must flow through the radiator >> slowly enough to cool down. If you push water through the radiator >> too fast, you might just end up recycling hot water back into a hot >> engine. So if you put a pump on the car, I would put a supplementary >> tandem pump, not one that is meant to work alone. >> >> Best, >> >> Alan >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 6:43 AM Bob Haskell >> wrote: >> >> Anyone fitted an electric water pump to replace the mechanical >> pump? One can go whole hog with an electric fan, a temperature >> sensor in the upper radiator hose and a controller. Takes the >> place of the thermostat and the impeller on the mechanical pump. >> >> https://daviescraig.com/electric-water-pumps >> >> A bit beyond a Pertronix, but still reversible. >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> >> Bob Haskell >> Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar >> >> _______________________________________________ >> From michael.oritt at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 20:29:52 2022 From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 22:29:52 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <1642592183.1120055.1661809224001@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20220829.130050.20213.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <1642592183.1120055.1661809224001@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've had the pleasure of replacing a set of contact points alongside the road in the dark. If you don't get the stack of insulating washers and parts correct you are going nowhere and it's awfully easy to drop one of the bits down and under the car--with the same result. I put a Mallory Unilite distributor/ignition system in my Healey about twenty years ago with absolutely no issue other than a cracked external ballast resistor and about three years ago I replaced the module simply because I did not want to push my luck any further. On long trips I carry a spare distributor with drive dog attached, allowing for quick and easy replacement and no need to worry about timing so long as I pay careful attention to the positions of the rotor and distributor body when switching things out. On my race cars I use Pertronix modules simply because the failure mode is almost always total which makes diagnosis much easier whereas with points there is one more component (the condenser) plus very often when points ignitions go bad the problem is often partial and/or intermittent, resulting in more time lost trying to diagnose the problem with more sessions lost due to having more possibilities to eliminate. Best--Michael Oritt On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 8:47 PM warthodson--- via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the answer is: "the car would > not have been disabled due to the points failing". > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: dwflagg--- via Healeys > To: ahbn6 at verizon.net > Cc: healeys at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pm > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy > > *Also, years ago whilst traveling the New York State Thruway I came upon a > disabled Austin Healey whilst driving my own to a fraternity **brother's > wedding. This was before cell phones. Disabled vehicles were at the mercy > of tow trucks and **exorbitant fees. It was **determined** there was no > spark. With no tools but just a nail clipper with a nail file, we filed the > **points,** and were both on our **way! Try** that with a Pertronix unit!* > > *Doug* > *To add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in Las Vegas > years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A highway patrolman > stopped and repaired it with super glue and a rubber band. I limped home 15 > miles ? put on another rotor and kept a spare for safety and the repaired > one in the parcel shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit* > > *John Sims* > *www.healey6.com * > *Matawan, NJ* > > *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Jim Ryan > *Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM > *To:* patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> > *Cc:* List Healey > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy > > Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has > always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on > the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same > manner if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare? > I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here. > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> wrote: > > It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, > including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit. I'm > very happy with the results. > Pat Williams > 1960 BT7 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/warthodson at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Mon Aug 29 21:04:10 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 20:04:10 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Electric water pumps In-Reply-To: References: <369d6c3c-c7b5-e683-6c28-060d9448d89c@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Same with my dad's old Model A I drove to high school and JC. When the wipers 'worked,' they didn't do shit anyways (but they worked better than the mechanical brakes). Funny, even some modern cars haven't solved the 'Wiper Mystery' completely (but I don't have any of the high-priced marques, maybe they work better and yes, I've tried the fancy bladed, silicone wipers and other blades). On 8/29/2022 5:20 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote: > I used to have a ?66 Bronco with the fold down screen so Ford put > vacuum wipers on it. > > when it rained I would have to alternate speeding up and then ?jake > braking? to get the wipers to go fast enough to clear the water off > the windshield in a heavy downpour? > > On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 at 7:21 PM, Michael Oritt > wrote: > > The same could be said for the oil pump whose role is much more > critical than the?water pump.? Since?it is driven?by the cam it > operates?in direct variation?to engine speed and is supplying less > oil under less pressure in top gear at highway cruising speed than > when in lower gears accelerating, etc.? Since there is a bypass > valve in the oil system perhaps there is an abundance of oil being > pumped through the engine and this is not an issue, but at > least?theoretically the situation is the same.? And for those of > us old enough to remember how old vacuum-operated windshield > worked you had the same deficiency under acceleration when?you > might most need a clear view. > > Just sayin.... > > Best--Michael Oritt > > On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 11:58 PM Alan Seigrist via Healeys > wrote: > > Hi Bob - > > Just remember that the cooling system is meant to work in > balance, so increasing the water flow through the system often > may not actually reduce temperatures, since the water must > flow through the radiator slowly enough to cool down.? If you > push water through the radiator too fast, you might just end > up recycling hot water back into a hot engine. So if you put a > pump on the car, I would put a supplementary tandem pump, not > one that is meant to work alone. > > Best, > > Alan > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 6:43 AM Bob Haskell > wrote: > > Anyone fitted an electric water pump to replace the > mechanical pump?? One can go whole hog with an electric > fan, a temperature sensor in the upper radiator hose and a > controller.? Takes the place of the thermostat and the > impeller on the mechanical pump. > > https://daviescraig.com/electric-water-pumps > > A bit beyond a Pertronix, but still reversible. > > -- > Cheers, > > Bob Haskell > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation? $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation? $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Nethttp://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bspidell at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healey.nut at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 22:26:24 2022 From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 12:26:24 +0800 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <003501d8bbf2$3d0a3af0$b71eb0d0$@alexarevel.plus.com> References: <000101d8bbb8$b538e150$1faaa3f0$@verizon.net> <335419665.59332153.1661793516629.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> <003501d8bbf2$3d0a3af0$b71eb0d0$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: Generally speaking I think using pertronix with points in the boot as backup is the way to go. The advantage of points whilst on the road is you can more easily pre-time the points by looking at the points while moving the dizzy back and forth- you can get timing +/- 10 deg doing that - enough to start. electronic systems are impossible to do this and take more time to get right while on the side of the road. On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 9:39 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Well, just to vary the pace a bit...............I have a 123 distributor > in my car and carry a Lucas distributor fitted with Pertronix in the boot. > Simon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Healeys On Behalf Of Tom Felts via > Healeys > Sent: 29 August 2022 18:19 > To: ahbn6 at verizon.net > Cc: 'List Healey' ; 'patrick williams' < > 2x2doc at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy > > I keep a spare Pertronix (in my cars) and have replaced one once. I > burned it out, it did not fail > Oh, and it took about 6 minutes to replace > Try that with points:) > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rchaskell at earthlink.net Tue Aug 30 04:01:27 2022 From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 06:01:27 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Electric water pumps In-Reply-To: References: <369d6c3c-c7b5-e683-6c28-060d9448d89c@earthlink.net> <93cab8df-1710-d9c9-c717-70e982a6acc9@earthlink.net> <01f301d8bbc4$f92734f0$eb759ed0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Davies,Craig recommends disabling the mechanical pump by removing the impeller.? See the attached installation instructions - covers just the water pump, not the controller or electric fan. Cheers, Bob Haskell Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar On 8/29/22 8:22 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote: > Hi Bob - > > I assume you are using an electric pump in tandem with the mechanical > pump? > > Best, > > Alan > > On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 12:32 AM, wrote: > > Guys, > > I have tested the temperature of the water at the hose coming to > the radiator and at the bottom going up to the inlet.? While I do > not have exact information because I am not in Florida, I can > assure you there is a very nice differential between the hot > incoming and the much cooler out going of the radiator.? Other on > this list who are using the Davis water pump are considering > removing the fan altogether. I have removed my Texas Fan as it is > no longer needed.? Try it you will like it.? Remember modern > automobiles have electric pump moving water to and from the > radiator as they were designed without a fan/water pump. > > Summit Racing has the water pumps in stock. > > Bob Begani > > -----Original Message----- > From: Healeys On Behalf Of Bob > Haskell via Healeys > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 6:05 AM > To: Alan Seigrist > Cc: Healey List > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Electric water pumps > > Alan, > > I have the same concern.? I sent their US rep an email asking > about that.? Seems like there ought to be a temperature sensor in > the lower radiator hose to look at the temperature drop between > radiator in/out. The temperature drop would be affected by > (electric) fan speed and the flow rate. > > They sell different size pumps.? Based on their table, the EWP115 > (115liters/minute maximum) is what they recommend for engines between > 2.0 and 3.5 liters.? Anyone know what the flow rate is for a stock > water pump? > > Cheers, > > Bob Haskell > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > > On 8/28/22 11:56 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote: > > Hi Bob - > > > > Just remember that the cooling system is meant to work in > balance, so > > increasing the water flow through the system often may not actually > > reduce temperatures, since the water must flow through the radiator > > slowly enough to cool down.? If you push water through the radiator > > too fast, you might just end up recycling hot water back into a hot > > engine.? So if you put a pump on the car, I would put a > supplementary > > tandem pump, not one that is meant to work alone. > > > > Best, > > > > Alan > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 6:43 AM Bob Haskell > > > wrote: > > > >? ? ?Anyone fitted an electric water pump to replace the mechanical > >? ? ?pump?? One can go whole hog with an electric fan, a temperature > >? ? ?sensor in the upper radiator hose and a controller.? Takes the > >? ? ?place of the thermostat and the impeller on the mechanical pump. > > > > https://daviescraig.com/electric-water-pumps > > > >? ? ?A bit beyond a Pertronix, but still reversible. > > > >? ? ?-- > >? ? ?Cheers, > > > >? ? ?Bob Haskell > >? ? ?Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > > > >? ? ?_______________________________________________ > >? ? ?Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >? ? ?Suggested annual donation? $12.75 > > > >? ? ?Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > > > Healeys at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > > >? ? ?Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual > donation? $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rfbegani at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1588222095.29822-EWPpumponlyInstructions02-April-2020 (1).pdf Type: application/x-unknown-content-type Size: 771433 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rfbegani at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 06:02:01 2022 From: rfbegani at gmail.com (rfbegani at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 08:02:01 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Electric water pumps In-Reply-To: References: <369d6c3c-c7b5-e683-6c28-060d9448d89c@earthlink.net> <93cab8df-1710-d9c9-c717-70e982a6acc9@earthlink.net> <01f301d8bbc4$f92734f0$eb759ed0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <052301d8bc68$50ce7d00$f26b7700$@gmail.com> Yes, the fan belt is on the water pump keeping it operating as the electric pump pushes the water through the mechanical pump. Bob From: Alan Seigrist Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 8:22 PM To: rfbegani at gmail.com Cc: Bob Haskell ; Healey List Subject: Re: [Healeys] Electric water pumps Hi Bob - I assume you are using an electric pump in tandem with the mechanical pump? Best, Alan On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 12:32 AM, > wrote: Guys, I have tested the temperature of the water at the hose coming to the radiator and at the bottom going up to the inlet. While I do not have exact information because I am not in Florida, I can assure you there is a very nice differential between the hot incoming and the much cooler out going of the radiator. Other on this list who are using the Davis water pump are considering removing the fan altogether. I have removed my Texas Fan as it is no longer needed. Try it you will like it. Remember modern automobiles have electric pump moving water to and from the radiator as they were designed without a fan/water pump. Summit Racing has the water pumps in stock. Bob Begani -----Original Message----- From: Healeys > On Behalf Of Bob Haskell via Healeys Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 6:05 AM To: Alan Seigrist > Cc: Healey List > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Electric water pumps Alan, I have the same concern. I sent their US rep an email asking about that. Seems like there ought to be a temperature sensor in the lower radiator hose to look at the temperature drop between radiator in/out. The temperature drop would be affected by (electric) fan speed and the flow rate. They sell different size pumps. Based on their table, the EWP115 (115liters/minute maximum) is what they recommend for engines between 2.0 and 3.5 liters. Anyone know what the flow rate is for a stock water pump? Cheers, Bob Haskell Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar On 8/28/22 11:56 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote: > Hi Bob - > > Just remember that the cooling system is meant to work in balance, so > increasing the water flow through the system often may not actually > reduce temperatures, since the water must flow through the radiator > slowly enough to cool down. If you push water through the radiator > too fast, you might just end up recycling hot water back into a hot > engine. So if you put a pump on the car, I would put a supplementary > tandem pump, not one that is meant to work alone. > > Best, > > Alan > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 6:43 AM Bob Haskell > > wrote: > > Anyone fitted an electric water pump to replace the mechanical > pump? One can go whole hog with an electric fan, a temperature > sensor in the upper radiator hose and a controller. Takes the > place of the thermostat and the impeller on the mechanical pump. > > https://daviescraig.com/electric-water-pumps > > A bit beyond a Pertronix, but still reversible. > > -- > Cheers, > > Bob Haskell > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rfbegani at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfbegani at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 06:22:05 2022 From: rfbegani at gmail.com (rfbegani at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 08:22:05 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Electric water pumps In-Reply-To: <93eb3d11-0484-35cf-d9a2-4dc518ecda5e@comcast.net> References: <369d6c3c-c7b5-e683-6c28-060d9448d89c@earthlink.net> <93cab8df-1710-d9c9-c717-70e982a6acc9@earthlink.net> <01f301d8bbc4$f92734f0$eb759ed0$@gmail.com> <93eb3d11-0484-35cf-d9a2-4dc518ecda5e@comcast.net> Message-ID: <054301d8bc6b$1e195990$5a4c0cb0$@gmail.com> This is the only one I have for now. You can see how easily the pump fits down at the bottom of the radiator. You cut the existing hose where it attaches to the radiator with just enough to clamp on to the pump. Then measure the distance from the outlet of the electric pipe to where you cut the existing hose and fit it on to the outlet. Fits very nicely in the space which is unusual for any new part bolt on to a Healey engine. Bob -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Healey Water Pump install.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1918579 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Tue Aug 30 08:10:54 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 07:10:54 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: References: <000101d8bbb8$b538e150$1faaa3f0$@verizon.net> <335419665.59332153.1661793516629.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> <003501d8bbf2$3d0a3af0$b71eb0d0$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: <222a7f93-22b1-a2d2-8ec1-0887413b49fc@comcast.net> My mechanic installed points in my BJ8 engine so he could static time the engine and start it on the first crank on their test stand, then re-installed the Pertronix when they were done running it in. When I got the engine back in the car it would barely run and was backfiring like crazy. I checked the timing, and it was about 20deg retarded; looks like he forgot to re-time it. On 8/29/2022 9:26 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote: > Generally speaking I think using pertronix with points in the boot as > backup is the way to go.? The advantage of points whilst on the road > is you can more easily pre-time the points by looking at the points > while moving the dizzy back and forth- you can get timing +/- 10 deg > doing that - enough to start. ?electronic systems are impossible to do > this and take more time to get right while on the side of the road. > > On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 9:39 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys > wrote: > > Well, just to vary the pace a bit...............I have a 123 > distributor in my car and carry a Lucas distributor fitted with > Pertronix in the boot. > Simon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Healeys On Behalf Of Tom > Felts via Healeys > Sent: 29 August 2022 18:19 > To: ahbn6 at verizon.net > Cc: 'List Healey' ; 'patrick williams' > <2x2doc at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy > > I keep a spare Pertronix (in my cars) and have replaced one once.? > I burned it out, it did not fail > ? Oh, and it took about 6 minutes to replace > ? Try that with points:) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From airtightproductions at me.com Tue Aug 30 09:42:04 2022 From: airtightproductions at me.com (Steven Kingsbury) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 15:42:04 -0000 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: References: <20220829.130050.20213.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <1642592183.1120055.1661809224001@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <542ca0bb-3ca8-4ac9-bcc0-d06082376360@me.com> Been watching this entertaining discussion from the sidelines and I'm one of those: "it's your car, do what you want" guys, but I have a question about the Pertronix shift. According to the directions, a change in plug wires is required. From solid core copper to carbon fiber. So how can those of you going back and forth from points to Pertronix doing it? Or, are you just sticking with the solid core wires??I tried going to the Pertronix, but the base plate for the "ignitor" wouldn't fit where it was claimed, in the depression for the condensor, it fit way off not quite 180 degrees but close, and though I did get a backfire, I never got the car to run and gave up.I pulled the distributor, tore it apart, cleaned everything up, put everything back together, refit it with new points and reinstalled it in the car using the cell phone photos I took to get it back as close as possible and bam!, she fired right up! Got my timing light out, made the slightest adjustment and I'm back in the game.I have since been able to buy another distributor from a BN1, which was a bit of a mess inside, but was able to tear it apart, clean it, put it back together and it now works just fine and now if I have trouble on the side of the road, I have a spare distributor to switch out.?But I may go the Pertronix path in the future, and the solid core wire question is still in my mind. As well as the placement of the ignitor. Or am I just using the wrong Pertronix kit? I've got the LU-149 kit. Thanks!Steven Kingsbury?BN1On Aug 29, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Michael Oritt wrote:I've had the pleasure of replacing a set of contact points?alongside the road in the dark.? If you don't get the stack of insulating washers and parts correct you are going nowhere and it's awfully easy to drop one?of the bits down and under the car--with the same result.??I put a Mallory Unilite distributor/ignition system in my Healey about twenty years ago with absolutely?no issue other than a cracked external ballast resistor and about three years ago I replaced?the module simply because I did not want to push my luck any further.? On long trips I carry a spare distributor with drive dog attached, allowing for quick and easy replacement?and no need to worry about timing so long as I pay careful attention to the positions of the rotor and distributor body when switching things?out.On my race cars I use Pertronix modules simply because the failure mode is almost always total which makes diagnosis much easier whereas?with points there is one more component?(the condenser) plus very often when points ignitions go bad the problem is often partial and/or intermittent, resulting in more time lost trying to diagnose the problem with more sessions lost due to having more possibilities to eliminate.?Best--Michael OrittOn Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 8:47 PM warthodson--- via Healeys wrote:Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the answer is: "the car would not have been disabled due to the points failing".? Gary -----Original Message----- From: dwflagg--- via Healeys To: ahbn6 at verizon.net Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pm Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Also, years ago whilst traveling the New York State Thruway I came upon a disabled Austin Healey whilst driving my own to a fraternity?brother's wedding. This was before cell phones. Disabled vehicles were at the mercy of tow trucks and?exorbitant fees. It was determined?there was no spark. With no tools but just a nail clipper with a nail file, we filed the points,?and were both on our?way! Try?that with a Pertronix unit!?DougTo add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in Las Vegas years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A highway patrolman stopped and repaired it with super glue and a rubber band. I limped home 15 miles ? put on another rotor and kept a spare for safety and the repaired one in the parcel shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit?John Simswww.healey6.comMatawan, NJ?From: Healeys On Behalf Of Jim RyanSent: Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AMTo: patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com>Cc: List Healey Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy?Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same manner if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare? I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here.?On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> wrote:It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit.? I'm very happy with the results.Pat Williams1960 BT7_______________________________________________Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlSuggested annual donation? $12.75Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeysHealeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeysUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com_______________________________________________Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlSuggested annual donation? $12.75Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeysHealeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeysUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/warthodson at aol.com_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com _______________________________________________Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlSuggested annual donation $12.75Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeysHealeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeysUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/airtightproductions at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com Tue Aug 30 10:46:09 2022 From: vintage_roadster_restoration at hotmail.com (Jean Caron) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 16:46:09 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <542ca0bb-3ca8-4ac9-bcc0-d06082376360@me.com> References: <20220829.130050.20213.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <1642592183.1120055.1661809224001@mail.yahoo.com> <542ca0bb-3ca8-4ac9-bcc0-d06082376360@me.com> Message-ID: I have as well Steven but what would worry me the most is this: A lot of guys indicate that they carry an extra set of points in their boot in case the Pertronix fails, that?s fine but what if you lock the boot/trunk and left the key at home? So now the discussion should be moved onto how many keys do you or should you carry? One ring or two? Should it be with an Austin-Healey key chain? Chromed ring or painted? Have a great day! Jean Sent from Mail for Windows From: Steven Kingsbury via Healeys Sent: August 30, 2022 11:34 AM To: Michael Oritt Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Been watching this entertaining discussion from the sidelines and I'm one of those: "it's your car, do what you want" guys, but I have a question about the Pertronix shift. According to the directions, a change in plug wires is required. From solid core copper to carbon fiber. So how can those of you going back and forth from points to Pertronix doing it? Or, are you just sticking with the solid core wires? I tried going to the Pertronix, but the base plate for the "ignitor" wouldn't fit where it was claimed, in the depression for the condensor, it fit way off not quite 180 degrees but close, and though I did get a backfire, I never got the car to run and gave up. I pulled the distributor, tore it apart, cleaned everything up, put everything back together, refit it with new points and reinstalled it in the car using the cell phone photos I took to get it back as close as possible and bam!, she fired right up! Got my timing light out, made the slightest adjustment and I'm back in the game. I have since been able to buy another distributor from a BN1, which was a bit of a mess inside, but was able to tear it apart, clean it, put it back together and it now works just fine and now if I have trouble on the side of the road, I have a spare distributor to switch out. But I may go the Pertronix path in the future, and the solid core wire question is still in my mind. As well as the placement of the ignitor. Or am I just using the wrong Pertronix kit? I've got the LU-149 kit. Thanks! Steven Kingsbury BN1 On Aug 29, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Michael Oritt wrote: I've had the pleasure of replacing a set of contact points alongside the road in the dark. If you don't get the stack of insulating washers and parts correct you are going nowhere and it's awfully easy to drop one of the bits down and under the car--with the same result. I put a Mallory Unilite distributor/ignition system in my Healey about twenty years ago with absolutely no issue other than a cracked external ballast resistor and about three years ago I replaced the module simply because I did not want to push my luck any further. On long trips I carry a spare distributor with drive dog attached, allowing for quick and easy replacement and no need to worry about timing so long as I pay careful attention to the positions of the rotor and distributor body when switching things out. On my race cars I use Pertronix modules simply because the failure mode is almost always total which makes diagnosis much easier whereas with points there is one more component (the condenser) plus very often when points ignitions go bad the problem is often partial and/or intermittent, resulting in more time lost trying to diagnose the problem with more sessions lost due to having more possibilities to eliminate. Best--Michael Oritt On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 8:47 PM warthodson--- via Healeys > wrote: Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the answer is: "the car would not have been disabled due to the points failing". Gary -----Original Message----- From: dwflagg--- via Healeys > To: ahbn6 at verizon.net Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pm Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Also, years ago whilst traveling the New York State Thruway I came upon a disabled Austin Healey whilst driving my own to a fraternity brother's wedding. This was before cell phones. Disabled vehicles were at the mercy of tow trucks and exorbitant fees. It was determined there was no spark. With no tools but just a nail clipper with a nail file, we filed the points, and were both on our way! Try that with a Pertronix unit! Doug To add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in Las Vegas years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A highway patrolman stopped and repaired it with super glue and a rubber band. I limped home 15 miles ? put on another rotor and kept a spare for safety and the repaired one in the parcel shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit John Sims www.healey6.com Matawan, NJ From: Healeys > On Behalf Of Jim Ryan Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM To: patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> Cc: List Healey > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same manner if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare? I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here. On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> wrote: It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit. I'm very happy with the results. Pat Williams 1960 BT7 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/warthodson at aol.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/airtightproductions at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Tue Aug 30 10:47:26 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 09:47:26 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <542ca0bb-3ca8-4ac9-bcc0-d06082376360@me.com> References: <20220829.130050.20213.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <1642592183.1120055.1661809224001@mail.yahoo.com> <542ca0bb-3ca8-4ac9-bcc0-d06082376360@me.com> Message-ID: <3d9e6a9b-5ccd-e191-06ad-bb14c93b8990@comcast.net> I just did a quick search, and checked the Pertronix website; they don't even show availability for Healeys of any sort. That door may have closed. I'll investigate further later; I think I still have the box we got our BN2's Ignitor in but, again, later. Maybe the 'points guys' won by default? Last I heard, it's not easy finding quality points and condensers these days. On 8/30/2022 8:42 AM, Steven Kingsbury via Healeys wrote: > Been watching this entertaining discussion from the sidelines and I'm > one of those: "it's your car, do what you want" guys, but I have a > question about the Pertronix shift. According to the directions, a > change in plug wires is required. From solid core copper to carbon > fiber. So how can those of you going back and forth from points to > Pertronix doing it? Or, are you just sticking with the solid core wires? > I tried going to the Pertronix, but the base plate for the "ignitor" > wouldn't fit where it was claimed, in the depression for the > condensor, it fit way off not quite 180 degrees but close, and though > I did get a backfire, I never got the car to run and gave up. > I pulled the distributor, tore it apart, cleaned everything up, put > everything back together, refit it with new points and reinstalled it > in the car using the cell phone photos I took to get it back as close > as possible and bam!, she fired right up! Got my timing light out, > made the slightest adjustment and I'm back in the game. > I have since been able to buy another distributor from a BN1, which > was a bit of a mess inside, but was able to tear it apart, clean it, > put it back together and it now works just fine and now if I have > trouble on the side of the road, I have a spare distributor to switch > out. > But I may go the Pertronix path in the future, and the solid core wire > question is still in my mind. As well as the placement of the ignitor. > Or am I just using the wrong Pertronix kit? I've got the LU-149 kit. > Thanks! > Steven Kingsbury > BN1 > >> On Aug 29, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Michael Oritt >> wrote: >> >> >> I've had the pleasure of replacing a set of contact points?alongside >> the road in the dark.? If you don't get the stack of insulating >> washers and parts correct you are going nowhere and it's awfully easy >> to drop one?of the bits down and under the car--with the same result. >> >> I put a Mallory Unilite distributor/ignition system in my Healey >> about twenty years ago with absolutely?no issue other than a cracked >> external ballast resistor and about three years ago I replaced?the >> module simply because I did not want to push my luck any further.? On >> long trips I carry a spare distributor with drive dog attached, >> allowing for quick and easy replacement?and no need to worry about >> timing so long as I pay careful attention to the positions of the >> rotor and distributor body when switching things?out. >> >> On my race cars I use Pertronix modules simply because the failure >> mode is almost always total which makes diagnosis much easier >> whereas?with points there is one more component?(the condenser) plus >> very often when points ignitions go bad the problem is often partial >> and/or intermittent, resulting in more time lost trying to diagnose >> the problem with more sessions lost due to having more possibilities >> to eliminate. >> >> Best--Michael Oritt >> >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 8:47 PM warthodson--- via Healeys >> wrote: >> >> Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the answer is: "the car >> would not have been disabled due to the points failing". >> Gary >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dwflagg--- via Healeys >> To: ahbn6 at verizon.net >> Cc: healeys at autox.team.net >> Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pm >> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy >> >> >> *Also, years ago whilst traveling the New York State Thruway I >> came upon a disabled Austin Healey whilst driving my own to a >> fraternity?brother's wedding. This was before cell phones. >> Disabled vehicles were at the mercy of tow trucks and >> **exorbitant fees. It was **determined**?there was no spark. With >> no tools but just a nail clipper with a nail file, we filed the >> **points,**?and were both on our **way! Try**?that with a >> Pertronix unit!* >> >> *Doug* >> >> >> *To add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in >> Las Vegas years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A >> highway patrolman stopped and repaired it with super glue and a >> rubber band. I limped home 15 miles ? put on another rotor and >> kept a spare for safety and the repaired one in the parcel >> shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit* >> >> ** >> *John Sims* >> *www.healey6.com * >> *Matawan, NJ* >> ** >> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of >> *Jim Ryan >> *Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM >> *To:* patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> >> *Cc:* List Healey >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy >> >> Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original >> points has always been that you can replace the points in the >> event of a failure on the side of the road. How difficult is it >> to replace this unit in the same manner if you carried a spare, >> and what would the cost be for that spare? I'm referring to a1958 >> Bugeye here. >> >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my >> distributor, including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put >> in a pertronix unit.? I'm very happy with the results. >> Pat Williams >> 1960 BT7 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation? $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/warthodson at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation? $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/airtightproductions at icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Nethttp://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bspidell at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Tue Aug 30 10:49:49 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 09:49:49 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <542ca0bb-3ca8-4ac9-bcc0-d06082376360@me.com> References: <20220829.130050.20213.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <1642592183.1120055.1661809224001@mail.yahoo.com> <542ca0bb-3ca8-4ac9-bcc0-d06082376360@me.com> Message-ID: <35a9741b-8e2c-07ad-845c-65b1ab329cf6@comcast.net> Found some here: https://vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/austin_healey.htm Looks like there's two versions--'early' and 'late'--for 4-cyl Healeys. On 8/30/2022 8:42 AM, Steven Kingsbury via Healeys wrote: > Been watching this entertaining discussion from the sidelines and I'm > one of those: "it's your car, do what you want" guys, but I have a > question about the Pertronix shift. According to the directions, a > change in plug wires is required. From solid core copper to carbon > fiber. So how can those of you going back and forth from points to > Pertronix doing it? Or, are you just sticking with the solid core wires? > I tried going to the Pertronix, but the base plate for the "ignitor" > wouldn't fit where it was claimed, in the depression for the > condensor, it fit way off not quite 180 degrees but close, and though > I did get a backfire, I never got the car to run and gave up. > I pulled the distributor, tore it apart, cleaned everything up, put > everything back together, refit it with new points and reinstalled it > in the car using the cell phone photos I took to get it back as close > as possible and bam!, she fired right up! Got my timing light out, > made the slightest adjustment and I'm back in the game. > I have since been able to buy another distributor from a BN1, which > was a bit of a mess inside, but was able to tear it apart, clean it, > put it back together and it now works just fine and now if I have > trouble on the side of the road, I have a spare distributor to switch > out. > But I may go the Pertronix path in the future, and the solid core wire > question is still in my mind. As well as the placement of the ignitor. > Or am I just using the wrong Pertronix kit? I've got the LU-149 kit. > Thanks! > Steven Kingsbury > BN1 > >> On Aug 29, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Michael Oritt >> wrote: >> >> >> I've had the pleasure of replacing a set of contact points?alongside >> the road in the dark.? If you don't get the stack of insulating >> washers and parts correct you are going nowhere and it's awfully easy >> to drop one?of the bits down and under the car--with the same result. >> >> I put a Mallory Unilite distributor/ignition system in my Healey >> about twenty years ago with absolutely?no issue other than a cracked >> external ballast resistor and about three years ago I replaced?the >> module simply because I did not want to push my luck any further.? On >> long trips I carry a spare distributor with drive dog attached, >> allowing for quick and easy replacement?and no need to worry about >> timing so long as I pay careful attention to the positions of the >> rotor and distributor body when switching things?out. >> >> On my race cars I use Pertronix modules simply because the failure >> mode is almost always total which makes diagnosis much easier >> whereas?with points there is one more component?(the condenser) plus >> very often when points ignitions go bad the problem is often partial >> and/or intermittent, resulting in more time lost trying to diagnose >> the problem with more sessions lost due to having more possibilities >> to eliminate. >> >> Best--Michael Oritt >> >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 8:47 PM warthodson--- via Healeys >> wrote: >> >> Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the answer is: "the car >> would not have been disabled due to the points failing". >> Gary >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dwflagg--- via Healeys >> To: ahbn6 at verizon.net >> Cc: healeys at autox.team.net >> Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pm >> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy >> >> >> *Also, years ago whilst traveling the New York State Thruway I >> came upon a disabled Austin Healey whilst driving my own to a >> fraternity?brother's wedding. This was before cell phones. >> Disabled vehicles were at the mercy of tow trucks and >> **exorbitant fees. It was **determined**?there was no spark. With >> no tools but just a nail clipper with a nail file, we filed the >> **points,**?and were both on our **way! Try**?that with a >> Pertronix unit!* >> >> *Doug* >> >> >> *To add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in >> Las Vegas years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A >> highway patrolman stopped and repaired it with super glue and a >> rubber band. I limped home 15 miles ? put on another rotor and >> kept a spare for safety and the repaired one in the parcel >> shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit* >> >> ** >> *John Sims* >> *www.healey6.com * >> *Matawan, NJ* >> ** >> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of >> *Jim Ryan >> *Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM >> *To:* patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> >> *Cc:* List Healey >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy >> >> Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original >> points has always been that you can replace the points in the >> event of a failure on the side of the road. How difficult is it >> to replace this unit in the same manner if you carried a spare, >> and what would the cost be for that spare? I'm referring to a1958 >> Bugeye here. >> >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my >> distributor, including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put >> in a pertronix unit.? I'm very happy with the results. >> Pat Williams >> 1960 BT7 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation? $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/warthodson at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation? $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/airtightproductions at icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Nethttp://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bspidell at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Tue Aug 30 11:00:43 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 10:00:43 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <542ca0bb-3ca8-4ac9-bcc0-d06082376360@me.com> References: <20220829.130050.20213.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <1642592183.1120055.1661809224001@mail.yahoo.com> <542ca0bb-3ca8-4ac9-bcc0-d06082376360@me.com> Message-ID: <5f53efaf-2606-1321-3ad7-a90976a93cde@comcast.net> One more ... I have a Pertronix in both my BN2 and BJ8, and both have otherwise original--stranded copper wire core--secondaries. I haven't had any issues with either and the Pertronix solid core caveat about metal core wires makes no sense to me; the primary system and secondary ignition systems are electrically isolated from each other by the coil (any EEs out there know otherwise?). Having a specific impedance in the coil does make sense, but both my coils are OEM as well. On 8/30/2022 8:42 AM, Steven Kingsbury via Healeys wrote: > Been watching this entertaining discussion from the sidelines and I'm > one of those: "it's your car, do what you want" guys, but I have a > question about the Pertronix shift. According to the directions, a > change in plug wires is required. From solid core copper to carbon > fiber. So how can those of you going back and forth from points to > Pertronix doing it? Or, are you just sticking with the solid core wires? > I tried going to the Pertronix, but the base plate for the "ignitor" > wouldn't fit where it was claimed, in the depression for the > condensor, it fit way off not quite 180 degrees but close, and though > I did get a backfire, I never got the car to run and gave up. > I pulled the distributor, tore it apart, cleaned everything up, put > everything back together, refit it with new points and reinstalled it > in the car using the cell phone photos I took to get it back as close > as possible and bam!, she fired right up! Got my timing light out, > made the slightest adjustment and I'm back in the game. > I have since been able to buy another distributor from a BN1, which > was a bit of a mess inside, but was able to tear it apart, clean it, > put it back together and it now works just fine and now if I have > trouble on the side of the road, I have a spare distributor to switch > out. > But I may go the Pertronix path in the future, and the solid core wire > question is still in my mind. As well as the placement of the ignitor. > Or am I just using the wrong Pertronix kit? I've got the LU-149 kit. > Thanks! > Steven Kingsbury > BN1 > >> On Aug 29, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Michael Oritt >> wrote: >> >> >> I've had the pleasure of replacing a set of contact points?alongside >> the road in the dark.? If you don't get the stack of insulating >> washers and parts correct you are going nowhere and it's awfully easy >> to drop one?of the bits down and under the car--with the same result. >> >> I put a Mallory Unilite distributor/ignition system in my Healey >> about twenty years ago with absolutely?no issue other than a cracked >> external ballast resistor and about three years ago I replaced?the >> module simply because I did not want to push my luck any further.? On >> long trips I carry a spare distributor with drive dog attached, >> allowing for quick and easy replacement?and no need to worry about >> timing so long as I pay careful attention to the positions of the >> rotor and distributor body when switching things?out. >> >> On my race cars I use Pertronix modules simply because the failure >> mode is almost always total which makes diagnosis much easier >> whereas?with points there is one more component?(the condenser) plus >> very often when points ignitions go bad the problem is often partial >> and/or intermittent, resulting in more time lost trying to diagnose >> the problem with more sessions lost due to having more possibilities >> to eliminate. >> >> Best--Michael Oritt >> >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 8:47 PM warthodson--- via Healeys >> wrote: >> >> Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the answer is: "the car >> would not have been disabled due to the points failing". >> Gary >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dwflagg--- via Healeys >> To: ahbn6 at verizon.net >> Cc: healeys at autox.team.net >> Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pm >> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy >> >> >> *Also, years ago whilst traveling the New York State Thruway I >> came upon a disabled Austin Healey whilst driving my own to a >> fraternity?brother's wedding. This was before cell phones. >> Disabled vehicles were at the mercy of tow trucks and >> **exorbitant fees. It was **determined**?there was no spark. With >> no tools but just a nail clipper with a nail file, we filed the >> **points,**?and were both on our **way! Try**?that with a >> Pertronix unit!* >> >> *Doug* >> >> >> *To add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in >> Las Vegas years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A >> highway patrolman stopped and repaired it with super glue and a >> rubber band. I limped home 15 miles ? put on another rotor and >> kept a spare for safety and the repaired one in the parcel >> shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit* >> >> ** >> *John Sims* >> *www.healey6.com * >> *Matawan, NJ* >> ** >> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of >> *Jim Ryan >> *Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM >> *To:* patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> >> *Cc:* List Healey >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy >> >> Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original >> points has always been that you can replace the points in the >> event of a failure on the side of the road. How difficult is it >> to replace this unit in the same manner if you carried a spare, >> and what would the cost be for that spare? I'm referring to a1958 >> Bugeye here. >> >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my >> distributor, including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put >> in a pertronix unit.? I'm very happy with the results. >> Pat Williams >> 1960 BT7 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation? $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/warthodson at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation? $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/airtightproductions at icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Nethttp://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bspidell at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From goldengt at cal.net Tue Aug 30 12:21:54 2022 From: goldengt at cal.net (Ken) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 11:21:54 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <542ca0bb-3ca8-4ac9-bcc0-d06082376360@me.com> Message-ID: <4MHFyF2qQqzSyRf4@allmail.cal.net> Udo Putzski sells Pertronix. He used to make a mod to the ones he sold so they fit the Lucas plate better to avoid broken rotors.Ken Freese?65BJ8Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Steven Kingsbury via Healeys Date: 8/30/22 8:42 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Michael Oritt Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Been watching this entertaining discussion from the sidelines and I'm one of those: "it's your car, do what you want" guys, but I have a question about the Pertronix shift. According to the directions, a change in plug wires is required. From solid core copper to carbon fiber. So how can those of you going back and forth from points to Pertronix doing it? Or, are you just sticking with the solid core wires??I tried going to the Pertronix, but the base plate for the "ignitor" wouldn't fit where it was claimed, in the depression for the condensor, it fit way off not quite 180 degrees but close, and though I did get a backfire, I never got the car to run and gave up.I pulled the distributor, tore it apart, cleaned everything up, put everything back together, refit it with new points and reinstalled it in the car using the cell phone photos I took to get it back as close as possible and bam!, she fired right up! Got my timing light out, made the slightest adjustment and I'm back in the game.I have since been able to buy another distributor from a BN1, which was a bit of a mess inside, but was able to tear it apart, clean it, put it back together and it now works just fine and now if I have trouble on the side of the road, I have a spare distributor to switch out.?But I may go the Pertronix path in the future, and the solid core wire question is still in my mind. As well as the placement of the ignitor. Or am I just using the wrong Pertronix kit? I've got the LU-149 kit. Thanks!Steven Kingsbury?BN1On Aug 29, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Michael Oritt wrote:I've had the pleasure of replacing a set of contact points?alongside the road in the dark.? If you don't get the stack of insulating washers and parts correct you are going nowhere and it's awfully easy to drop one?of the bits down and under the car--with the same result.??I put a Mallory Unilite distributor/ignition system in my Healey about twenty years ago with absolutely?no issue other than a cracked external ballast resistor and about three years ago I replaced?the module simply because I did not want to push my luck any further.? On long trips I carry a spare distributor with drive dog attached, allowing for quick and easy replacement?and no need to worry about timing so long as I pay careful attention to the positions of the rotor and distributor body when switching things?out.On my race cars I use Pertronix modules simply because the failure mode is almost always total which makes diagnosis much easier whereas?with points there is one more component?(the condenser) plus very often when points ignitions go bad the problem is often partial and/or intermittent, resulting in more time lost trying to diagnose the problem with more sessions lost due to having more possibilities to eliminate.?Best--Michael OrittOn Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 8:47 PM warthodson--- via Healeys wrote:Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the answer is: "the car would not have been disabled due to the points failing".? Gary -----Original Message----- From: dwflagg--- via Healeys To: ahbn6 at verizon.net Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pm Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Also, years ago whilst traveling the New York State Thruway I came upon a disabled Austin Healey whilst driving my own to a fraternity?brother's wedding. This was before cell phones. Disabled vehicles were at the mercy of tow trucks and?exorbitant fees. It was determined?there was no spark. With no tools but just a nail clipper with a nail file, we filed the points,?and were both on our?way! Try?that with a Pertronix unit!?DougTo add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in Las Vegas years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A highway patrolman stopped and repaired it with super glue and a rubber band. I limped home 15 miles ? put on another rotor and kept a spare for safety and the repaired one in the parcel shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit?John Simswww.healey6.comMatawan, NJ?From: Healeys On Behalf Of Jim RyanSent: Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AMTo: patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com>Cc: List Healey Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy?Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same manner if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare? I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here.?On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> wrote:It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit.? 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URL: From gradea1 at charter.net Tue Aug 30 12:50:12 2022 From: gradea1 at charter.net (gradea1 at charter.net) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 18:50:12 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor points Message-ID: I would mention that if you go the Petronix route, you open the plug gap from the .025 to .030 or a bit larger. Hank -----------------------------------------From: "Jean Caron via Healeys" To: "Steven Kingsbury" Cc: "healeys at autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday August 30 2022 11:42:47AM Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy I have as well Steven but what would worry me the most is this: A lot of guys indicate that they carry an extra set of points in their boot in case the Pertronix fails, that?s fine but what if you lock the boot/trunk and left the key at home? So now the discussion should be moved onto how many keys do you or should you carry? One ring or two? Should it be with an Austin-Healey key chain? Chromed ring or painted? Have a great day! Jean Sent from Mail [1] for Windows FROM: Steven Kingsbury via Healeys SENT: August 30, 2022 11:34 AM TO: Michael Oritt CC: healeys at autox.team.net SUBJECT: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Been watching this entertaining discussion from the sidelines and I'm one of those: "it's your car, do what you want" guys, but I have a question about the Pertronix shift. According to the directions, a change in plug wires is required. From solid core copper to carbon fiber. So how can those of you going back and forth from points to Pertronix doing it? Or, are you just sticking with the solid core wires? I tried going to the Pertronix, but the base plate for the "ignitor" wouldn't fit where it was claimed, in the depression for the condensor, it fit way off not quite 180 degrees but close, and though I did get a backfire, I never got the car to run and gave up. I pulled the distributor, tore it apart, cleaned everything up, put everything back together, refit it with new points and reinstalled it in the car using the cell phone photos I took to get it back as close as possible and bam!, she fired right up! Got my timing light out, made the slightest adjustment and I'm back in the game. I have since been able to buy another distributor from a BN1, which was a bit of a mess inside, but was able to tear it apart, clean it, put it back together and it now works just fine and now if I have trouble on the side of the road, I have a spare distributor to switch out. But I may go the Pertronix path in the future, and the solid core wire question is still in my mind. As well as the placement of the ignitor. Or am I just using the wrong Pertronix kit? I've got the LU-149 kit. Thanks! Steven Kingsbury BN1 On Aug 29, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Michael Oritt wrote: I've had the pleasure of replacing a set of contact points alongside the road in the dark. If you don't get the stack of insulating washers and parts correct you are going nowhere and it's awfully easy to drop one of the bits down and under the car--with the same result. I put a Mallory Unilite distributor/ignition system in my Healey about twenty years ago with absolutely no issue other than a cracked external ballast resistor and about three years ago I replaced the module simply because I did not want to push my luck any further. On long trips I carry a spare distributor with drive dog attached, allowing for quick and easy replacement and no need to worry about timing so long as I pay careful attention to the positions of the rotor and distributor body when switching things out. On my race cars I use Pertronix modules simply because the failure mode is almost always total which makes diagnosis much easier whereas with points there is one more component (the condenser) plus very often when points ignitions go bad the problem is often partial and/or intermittent, resulting in more time lost trying to diagnose the problem with more sessions lost due to having more possibilities to eliminate. Best--Michael Oritt On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 8:47 PM warthodson--- via Healeys wrote: Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the answer is: "the car would not have been disabled due to the points failing". Gary -----Original Message----- From: dwflagg--- via Healeys To: ahbn6 at verizon.net Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pm Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy ALSO, YEARS AGO WHILST TRAVELING THE NEW YORK STATE THRUWAY I CAME UPON A DISABLED AUSTIN HEALEY WHILST DRIVING MY OWN TO A FRATERNITY BROTHER'S WEDDING. THIS WAS BEFORE CELL PHONES. DISABLED VEHICLES WERE AT THE MERCY OF TOW TRUCKS AND EXORBITANT FEES. IT WAS DETERMINED THERE WAS NO SPARK. WITH NO TOOLS BUT JUST A NAIL CLIPPER WITH A NAIL FILE, WE FILED THE POINTS, AND WERE BOTH ON OUR WAY! TRY THAT WITH A PERTRONIX UNIT! DOUG TO ADD MORE FUEL TO THE FIRE, WHILE DRIVING ON THE FREEWAY IN LAS VEGAS YEARS AGO I HAD THE ROTOR ON MY BN6 SPLIT IN TWO. A HIGHWAY PATROLMAN STOPPED AND REPAIRED IT WITH SUPER GLUE AND A RUBBER BAND. I LIMPED HOME 15 MILES ? PUT ON ANOTHER ROTOR AND KEPT A SPARE FOR SAFETY AND THE REPAIRED ONE IN THE PARCEL SHELVE FOR MEMORIES. TRY THAT WITH A PERTRONIX UNIT JOHN SIMS WWW.HEALEY6.COM [2] MATAWAN, NJ FROM: Healeys ON BEHALF OF Jim Ryan SENT: Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM TO: patrick williams CC: List Healey SUBJECT: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same manner if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare? I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here. On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams wrote: It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit. I'm very happy with the results. 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URL: From michael.oritt at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 13:16:05 2022 From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 15:16:05 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: References: <20220829.130050.20213.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <1642592183.1120055.1661809224001@mail.yahoo.com> <542ca0bb-3ca8-4ac9-bcc0-d06082376360@me.com> Message-ID: No worries Jean--the ignition and boot lock on REAL Healeys (100's) are keyed the same. Best--Michael Oritt On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 2:34 PM Jean Caron via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > I have as well Steven but what would worry me the most is this: > > A lot of guys indicate that they carry an extra set of points in their > boot in case the Pertronix fails, that?s fine but what if you lock the > boot/trunk and left the key at home? So now the discussion should be moved > onto how many keys do you or should you carry? One ring or two? Should it > be with an Austin-Healey key chain? Chromed ring or painted? > > Have a great day! > > > > Jean > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > > > *From: *Steven Kingsbury via Healeys > *Sent: *August 30, 2022 11:34 AM > *To: *Michael Oritt > *Cc: *healeys at autox.team.net > *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy > > > > Been watching this entertaining discussion from the sidelines and I'm one > of those: "it's your car, do what you want" guys, but I have a question > about the Pertronix shift. According to the directions, a change in plug > wires is required. From solid core copper to carbon fiber. So how can those > of you going back and forth from points to Pertronix doing it? Or, are you > just sticking with the solid core wires? > > I tried going to the Pertronix, but the base plate for the "ignitor" > wouldn't fit where it was claimed, in the depression for the condensor, it > fit way off not quite 180 degrees but close, and though I did get a > backfire, I never got the car to run and gave up. > > I pulled the distributor, tore it apart, cleaned everything up, put > everything back together, refit it with new points and reinstalled it in > the car using the cell phone photos I took to get it back as close as > possible and bam!, she fired right up! Got my timing light out, made the > slightest adjustment and I'm back in the game. > > I have since been able to buy another distributor from a BN1, which was a > bit of a mess inside, but was able to tear it apart, clean it, put it back > together and it now works just fine and now if I have trouble on the side > of the road, I have a spare distributor to switch out. > > But I may go the Pertronix path in the future, and the solid core wire > question is still in my mind. As well as the placement of the ignitor. Or > am I just using the wrong Pertronix kit? I've got the LU-149 kit. Thanks! > > Steven Kingsbury > > BN1 > > > > On Aug 29, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Michael Oritt > wrote: > > > > > > I've had the pleasure of replacing a set of contact points alongside the > road in the dark. If you don't get the stack of insulating washers and > parts correct you are going nowhere and it's awfully easy to drop one of > the bits down and under the car--with the same result. > > > > I put a Mallory Unilite distributor/ignition system in my Healey about > twenty years ago with absolutely no issue other than a cracked external > ballast resistor and about three years ago I replaced the module simply > because I did not want to push my luck any further. On long trips I carry > a spare distributor with drive dog attached, allowing for quick and easy > replacement and no need to worry about timing so long as I pay careful > attention to the positions of the rotor and distributor body when switching > things out. > > > > On my race cars I use Pertronix modules simply because the failure mode is > almost always total which makes diagnosis much easier whereas with points > there is one more component (the condenser) plus very often when points > ignitions go bad the problem is often partial and/or intermittent, > resulting in more time lost trying to diagnose the problem with more > sessions lost due to having more possibilities to eliminate. > > > > Best--Michael Oritt > > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 8:47 PM warthodson--- via Healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > > Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the answer is: "the car would > not have been disabled due to the points failing". > > Gary > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dwflagg--- via Healeys > > To: ahbn6 at verizon.net > > Cc: healeys at autox.team.net > > Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pm > > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy > > > > > > *Also, years ago whilst traveling the New York State Thruway I came upon a > disabled Austin Healey whilst driving my own to a fraternity brother's > wedding. This was before cell phones. Disabled vehicles were at the mercy > of tow trucks and **exorbitant fees. It was determined there was no > spark. With no tools but just a nail clipper with a nail file, we filed the > points, and were both on our **way! Try that with a Pertronix unit!* > > > > *Doug* > To add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in Las Vegas > years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A highway patrolman > stopped and repaired it with super glue and a rubber band. I limped home 15 > miles ? put on another rotor and kept a spare for safety and the repaired > one in the parcel shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit > > > > *John Sims* > > *www.healey6.com > * > > *Matawan, NJ* > > > > *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Jim Ryan > > *Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM > > *To:* patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> > > *Cc:* List Healey > > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy > > > > Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has > always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on > the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same > manner if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare? > I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here. > > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> wrote: > > It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, > including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit. I'm > very happy with the results. > > Pat Williams > > 1960 BT7 > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > > > > Healeys at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > > > > Healeys at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/warthodson at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > > > > Healeys at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > > > > Healeys at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/airtightproductions at icloud.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From drtommitch at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 14:09:03 2022 From: drtommitch at gmail.com (Tom Mitchell) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 16:09:03 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: References: <20220829.130050.20213.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <1642592183.1120055.1661809224001@mail.yahoo.com> <542ca0bb-3ca8-4ac9-bcc0-d06082376360@me.com> Message-ID: Or should we assume someone else's car uses the same or close enough key? I know friends who can open my car using their key. On Tue, Aug 30, 2022, 2:24 PM Jean Caron via Healeys wrote: > I have as well Steven but what would worry me the most is this: > > A lot of guys indicate that they carry an extra set of points in their > boot in case the Pertronix fails, that?s fine but what if you lock the > boot/trunk and left the key at home? So now the discussion should be moved > onto how many keys do you or should you carry? One ring or two? Should it > be with an Austin-Healey key chain? Chromed ring or painted? > > Have a great day! > > > > Jean > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > > > *From: *Steven Kingsbury via Healeys > *Sent: *August 30, 2022 11:34 AM > *To: *Michael Oritt > *Cc: *healeys at autox.team.net > *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy > > > > Been watching this entertaining discussion from the sidelines and I'm one > of those: "it's your car, do what you want" guys, but I have a question > about the Pertronix shift. According to the directions, a change in plug > wires is required. From solid core copper to carbon fiber. So how can those > of you going back and forth from points to Pertronix doing it? Or, are you > just sticking with the solid core wires? > > I tried going to the Pertronix, but the base plate for the "ignitor" > wouldn't fit where it was claimed, in the depression for the condensor, it > fit way off not quite 180 degrees but close, and though I did get a > backfire, I never got the car to run and gave up. > > I pulled the distributor, tore it apart, cleaned everything up, put > everything back together, refit it with new points and reinstalled it in > the car using the cell phone photos I took to get it back as close as > possible and bam!, she fired right up! Got my timing light out, made the > slightest adjustment and I'm back in the game. > > I have since been able to buy another distributor from a BN1, which was a > bit of a mess inside, but was able to tear it apart, clean it, put it back > together and it now works just fine and now if I have trouble on the side > of the road, I have a spare distributor to switch out. > > But I may go the Pertronix path in the future, and the solid core wire > question is still in my mind. As well as the placement of the ignitor. Or > am I just using the wrong Pertronix kit? I've got the LU-149 kit. Thanks! > > Steven Kingsbury > > BN1 > > > > On Aug 29, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Michael Oritt > wrote: > > > > > > I've had the pleasure of replacing a set of contact points alongside the > road in the dark. If you don't get the stack of insulating washers and > parts correct you are going nowhere and it's awfully easy to drop one of > the bits down and under the car--with the same result. > > > > I put a Mallory Unilite distributor/ignition system in my Healey about > twenty years ago with absolutely no issue other than a cracked external > ballast resistor and about three years ago I replaced the module simply > because I did not want to push my luck any further. On long trips I carry > a spare distributor with drive dog attached, allowing for quick and easy > replacement and no need to worry about timing so long as I pay careful > attention to the positions of the rotor and distributor body when switching > things out. > > > > On my race cars I use Pertronix modules simply because the failure mode is > almost always total which makes diagnosis much easier whereas with points > there is one more component (the condenser) plus very often when points > ignitions go bad the problem is often partial and/or intermittent, > resulting in more time lost trying to diagnose the problem with more > sessions lost due to having more possibilities to eliminate. > > > > Best--Michael Oritt > > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 8:47 PM warthodson--- via Healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > > Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the answer is: "the car would > not have been disabled due to the points failing". > > Gary > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dwflagg--- via Healeys > > To: ahbn6 at verizon.net > > Cc: healeys at autox.team.net > > Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pm > > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy > > > > > > *Also, years ago whilst traveling the New York State Thruway I came upon a > disabled Austin Healey whilst driving my own to a fraternity brother's > wedding. This was before cell phones. Disabled vehicles were at the mercy > of tow trucks and **exorbitant fees. It was determined there was no > spark. With no tools but just a nail clipper with a nail file, we filed the > points, and were both on our **way! Try that with a Pertronix unit!* > > > > *Doug* > To add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in Las Vegas > years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A highway patrolman > stopped and repaired it with super glue and a rubber band. I limped home 15 > miles ? put on another rotor and kept a spare for safety and the repaired > one in the parcel shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit > > > > *John Sims* > > *www.healey6.com > * > > *Matawan, NJ* > > > > *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Jim Ryan > > *Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM > > *To:* patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> > > *Cc:* List Healey > > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy > > > > Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has > always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on > the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same > manner if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare? > I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here. > > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> wrote: > > It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, > including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit. I'm > very happy with the results. > > Pat Williams > > 1960 BT7 > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > > > > Healeys at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > > > > Healeys at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/warthodson at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > > > > Healeys at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > > > > Healeys at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/airtightproductions at icloud.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/drtommitch at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From airtightproductions at me.com Tue Aug 30 16:28:28 2022 From: airtightproductions at me.com (Steven Kingsbury) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:28:28 -0000 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <35a9741b-8e2c-07ad-845c-65b1ab329cf6@comcast.net> References: <20220829.130050.20213.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <1642592183.1120055.1661809224001@mail.yahoo.com> <542ca0bb-3ca8-4ac9-bcc0-d06082376360@me.com> <35a9741b-8e2c-07ad-845c-65b1ab329cf6@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4190764c-0fdc-47bb-83a9-a5c4b2a698d2@me.com> Bob,Thanks for the link, I'll check this out and chase it down. I know also you said you were using the solid core wires, but on this website you sent, it definitely advises against that. Like you, I wonder why. other than messing with a radio, I would see no disadvantage. And sense I have no radio, I don't mind messing with folks next to me and their radios!Stay tuned! (No pun intended)StevenOn Aug 30, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Bob Spidell wrote:Found some here: https://vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/austin_healey.htm Looks like there's two versions--'early' and 'late'--for 4-cyl Healeys. On 8/30/2022 8:42 AM, Steven Kingsbury via Healeys wrote:Been watching this entertaining discussion from the sidelines and I'm one of those: "it's your car, do what you want" guys, but I have a question about the Pertronix shift. According to the directions, a change in plug wires is required. From solid core copper to carbon fiber. So how can those of you going back and forth from points to Pertronix doing it? Or, are you just sticking with the solid core wires??I tried going to the Pertronix, but the base plate for the "ignitor" wouldn't fit where it was claimed, in the depression for the condensor, it fit way off not quite 180 degrees but close, and though I did get a backfire, I never got the car to run and gave up.I pulled the distributor, tore it apart, cleaned everything up, put everything back together, refit it with new points and reinstalled it in the car using the cell phone photos I took to get it back as close as possible and bam!, she fired right up! Got my timing light out, made the slightest adjustment and I'm back in the game.I have since been able to buy another distributor from a BN1, which was a bit of a mess inside, but was able to tear it apart, clean it, put it back together and it now works just fine and now if I have trouble on the side of the road, I have a spare distributor to switch out.?But I may go the Pertronix path in the future, and the solid core wire question is still in my mind. As well as the placement of the ignitor. Or am I just using the wrong Pertronix kit? I've got the LU-149 kit. Thanks!Steven Kingsbury?BN1On Aug 29, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Michael Oritt wrote:I've had the pleasure of replacing a set of contact points?alongside the road in the dark.? If you don't get the stack of insulating washers and parts correct you are going nowhere and it's awfully easy to drop one?of the bits down and under the car--with the same result.??I put a Mallory Unilite distributor/ignition system in my Healey about twenty years ago with absolutely?no issue other than a cracked external ballast resistor and about three years ago I replaced?the module simply because I did not want to push my luck any further.? On long trips I carry a spare distributor with drive dog attached, allowing for quick and easy replacement?and no need to worry about timing so long as I pay careful attention to the positions of the rotor and distributor body when switching things?out.On my race cars I use Pertronix modules simply because the failure mode is almost always total which makes diagnosis much easier whereas?with points there is one more component?(the condenser) plus very often when points ignitions go bad the problem is often partial and/or intermittent, resulting in more time lost trying to diagnose the problem with more sessions lost due to having more possibilities to eliminate.?Best--Michael OrittOn Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 8:47 PM warthodson--- via Healeys wrote:Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the answer is: "the car would not have been disabled due to the points failing".?Gary-----Original Message-----From: dwflagg--- via Healeys To: ahbn6 at verizon.netCc: healeys at autox.team.netSent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pmSubject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guyAlso, years ago whilst traveling the New York State Thruway I came upon a disabled Austin Healey whilst driving my own to a fraternity?brother's wedding. This was before cell phones. Disabled vehicles were at the mercy of tow trucks and?exorbitant fees. It was determined?there was no spark. With no tools but just a nail clipper with a nail file, we filed the points,?and were both on our?way! Try?that with a Pertronix unit!?DougTo add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in Las Vegas years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A highway patrolman stopped and repaired it with super glue and a rubber band. I limped home 15 miles ? put on another rotor and kept a spare for safety and the repaired one in the parcel shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit?John Simswww.healey6.comMatawan, NJ?From: Healeys On Behalf Of Jim RyanSent: Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AMTo: patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com>Cc: List Healey Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy?Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same manner if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare? I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here.?On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> wrote:It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit.? I'm very happy with the results.Pat Williams1960 BT7_______________________________________________Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlSuggested annual donation? $12.75Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeysHealeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeysUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com_______________________________________________Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlSuggested annual donation? $12.75Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeysHealeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeysUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/warthodson at aol.com_______________________________________________Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlSuggested annual donation? $12.75Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeysHealeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeysUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com_______________________________________________Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlSuggested annual donation $12.75Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeysHealeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeysUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/airtightproductions at icloud.com_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bspidell at comcast.net _______________________________________________Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlSuggested annual donation $12.75Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeysHealeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeysUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/airtightproductions at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From warthodson at aol.com Tue Aug 30 18:26:34 2022 From: warthodson at aol.com (warthodson at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 00:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Healeys] BN1 brake system References: <91677579.1607574.1661905594266.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <91677579.1607574.1661905594266@mail.yahoo.com> We have been trying for several months to bleed the brakes on RHD BN1, to no avail. The car has been professionally restored & appears to be in excellent condition. Today, we tried again to bleed the system following the shop manual. I.E. backing off the adjusters on the front & back & bleeding & then readjusting the brakes. The results were the same. There seems to be an excessively large amount of pedal travel before the brakes are engaged & when engaged they feel "spongy". We have access to 2 other 100's for reference. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also, we are not clear on the adjustment of the free play of the master cylinder.Gary Hodson? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sentenac.rw at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 19:17:36 2022 From: sentenac.rw at gmail.com (Roland Wilhelmy) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 18:17:36 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: References: <20220829.130050.20213.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <1642592183.1120055.1661809224001@mail.yahoo.com> <542ca0bb-3ca8-4ac9-bcc0-d06082376360@me.com> Message-ID: Hmmhmm. The locks on Healeys are very simple and can be picked with simple tools, such as a safety pin, small screwdriver, and pliers. If you want to go light just add a safety pin to your regulation tool kit.. In the process of rebuilding my original ignition and boot lid locks I dismantled many orphan locks to rob them of parts. Over the course of time I got to where I could unlock one of them in about 20 minutes. A good locksmith could probably do it in 20 seconds. -Roland [image: width=] Virus-free.www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 11:33 AM Jean Caron via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > I have as well Steven but what would worry me the most is this: > > A lot of guys indicate that they carry an extra set of points in their > boot in case the Pertronix fails, that?s fine but what if you lock the > boot/trunk and left the key at home? So now the discussion should be moved > onto how many keys do you or should you carry? One ring or two? Should it > be with an Austin-Healey key chain? Chromed ring or painted? > > Have a great day! > > > > Jean > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > > > *From: *Steven Kingsbury via Healeys > *Sent: *August 30, 2022 11:34 AM > *To: *Michael Oritt > *Cc: *healeys at autox.team.net > *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy > > > > Been watching this entertaining discussion from the sidelines and I'm one > of those: "it's your car, do what you want" guys, but I have a question > about the Pertronix shift. According to the directions, a change in plug > wires is required. From solid core copper to carbon fiber. So how can those > of you going back and forth from points to Pertronix doing it? Or, are you > just sticking with the solid core wires? > > I tried going to the Pertronix, but the base plate for the "ignitor" > wouldn't fit where it was claimed, in the depression for the condensor, it > fit way off not quite 180 degrees but close, and though I did get a > backfire, I never got the car to run and gave up. > > I pulled the distributor, tore it apart, cleaned everything up, put > everything back together, refit it with new points and reinstalled it in > the car using the cell phone photos I took to get it back as close as > possible and bam!, she fired right up! Got my timing light out, made the > slightest adjustment and I'm back in the game. > > I have since been able to buy another distributor from a BN1, which was a > bit of a mess inside, but was able to tear it apart, clean it, put it back > together and it now works just fine and now if I have trouble on the side > of the road, I have a spare distributor to switch out. > > But I may go the Pertronix path in the future, and the solid core wire > question is still in my mind. As well as the placement of the ignitor. Or > am I just using the wrong Pertronix kit? I've got the LU-149 kit. Thanks! > > Steven Kingsbury > > BN1 > > > > On Aug 29, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Michael Oritt > wrote: > > > > > > I've had the pleasure of replacing a set of contact points alongside the > road in the dark. If you don't get the stack of insulating washers and > parts correct you are going nowhere and it's awfully easy to drop one of > the bits down and under the car--with the same result. > > > > I put a Mallory Unilite distributor/ignition system in my Healey about > twenty years ago with absolutely no issue other than a cracked external > ballast resistor and about three years ago I replaced the module simply > because I did not want to push my luck any further. On long trips I carry > a spare distributor with drive dog attached, allowing for quick and easy > replacement and no need to worry about timing so long as I pay careful > attention to the positions of the rotor and distributor body when switching > things out. > > > > On my race cars I use Pertronix modules simply because the failure mode is > almost always total which makes diagnosis much easier whereas with points > there is one more component (the condenser) plus very often when points > ignitions go bad the problem is often partial and/or intermittent, > resulting in more time lost trying to diagnose the problem with more > sessions lost due to having more possibilities to eliminate. > > > > Best--Michael Oritt > > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 8:47 PM warthodson--- via Healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > > Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the answer is: "the car would > not have been disabled due to the points failing". > > Gary > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dwflagg--- via Healeys > > To: ahbn6 at verizon.net > > Cc: healeys at autox.team.net > > Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pm > > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy > > > > > > *Also, years ago whilst traveling the New York State Thruway I came upon a > disabled Austin Healey whilst driving my own to a fraternity brother's > wedding. This was before cell phones. Disabled vehicles were at the mercy > of tow trucks and **exorbitant fees. It was determined there was no > spark. With no tools but just a nail clipper with a nail file, we filed the > points, and were both on our **way! Try that with a Pertronix unit!* > > > > *Doug* > To add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in Las Vegas > years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A highway patrolman > stopped and repaired it with super glue and a rubber band. I limped home 15 > miles ? put on another rotor and kept a spare for safety and the repaired > one in the parcel shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit > > > > *John Sims* > > *www.healey6.com > * > > *Matawan, NJ* > > > > *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Jim Ryan > > *Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM > > *To:* patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> > > *Cc:* List Healey > > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy > > > > Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has > always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on > the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same > manner if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare? > I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here. > > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> wrote: > > It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, > including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit. I'm > very happy with the results. > > Pat Williams > > 1960 BT7 > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > > > > Healeys at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > > > > Healeys at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/warthodson at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > > > > Healeys at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > > > > Healeys at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/airtightproductions at icloud.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/sentenac.rw at gmail.com > > [image: width=] Virus-free.www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From springer.mike51 at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 19:21:55 2022 From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 18:21:55 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <4190764c-0fdc-47bb-83a9-a5c4b2a698d2@me.com> References: <20220829.130050.20213.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <1642592183.1120055.1661809224001@mail.yahoo.com> <542ca0bb-3ca8-4ac9-bcc0-d06082376360@me.com> <35a9741b-8e2c-07ad-845c-65b1ab329cf6@comcast.net> <4190764c-0fdc-47bb-83a9-a5c4b2a698d2@me.com> Message-ID: I have been using solid core copper wires and a Pertronix in my Bugeye for 20 years. Not even a hiccup. Mike MacLean On Tue, Aug 30, 2022, 6:17 PM Steven Kingsbury via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Bob, > Thanks for the link, I'll check this out and chase it down. I know also > you said you were using the solid core wires, but on this website you sent, > it definitely advises against that. Like you, I wonder why. other than > messing with a radio, I would see no disadvantage. And sense I have no > radio, I don't mind messing with folks next to me and their radios! > Stay tuned! (No pun intended) > Steven > > On Aug 30, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: > > > Found some here: > > https://vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/austin_healey.htm > > Looks like there's two versions--'early' and 'late'--for 4-cyl Healeys. > > > > > On 8/30/2022 8:42 AM, Steven Kingsbury via Healeys wrote: > > Been watching this entertaining discussion from the sidelines and I'm one > of those: "it's your car, do what you want" guys, but I have a question > about the Pertronix shift. According to the directions, a change in plug > wires is required. From solid core copper to carbon fiber. So how can those > of you going back and forth from points to Pertronix doing it? Or, are you > just sticking with the solid core wires? > I tried going to the Pertronix, but the base plate for the "ignitor" > wouldn't fit where it was claimed, in the depression for the condensor, it > fit way off not quite 180 degrees but close, and though I did get a > backfire, I never got the car to run and gave up. > I pulled the distributor, tore it apart, cleaned everything up, put > everything back together, refit it with new points and reinstalled it in > the car using the cell phone photos I took to get it back as close as > possible and bam!, she fired right up! Got my timing light out, made the > slightest adjustment and I'm back in the game. > I have since been able to buy another distributor from a BN1, which was a > bit of a mess inside, but was able to tear it apart, clean it, put it back > together and it now works just fine and now if I have trouble on the side > of the road, I have a spare distributor to switch out. > But I may go the Pertronix path in the future, and the solid core wire > question is still in my mind. As well as the placement of the ignitor. Or > am I just using the wrong Pertronix kit? I've got the LU-149 kit. Thanks! > Steven Kingsbury > BN1 > > On Aug 29, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Michael Oritt > wrote: > > > I've had the pleasure of replacing a set of contact points alongside the > road in the dark. If you don't get the stack of insulating washers and > parts correct you are going nowhere and it's awfully easy to drop one of > the bits down and under the car--with the same result. > > I put a Mallory Unilite distributor/ignition system in my Healey about > twenty years ago with absolutely no issue other than a cracked external > ballast resistor and about three years ago I replaced the module simply > because I did not want to push my luck any further. On long trips I carry > a spare distributor with drive dog attached, allowing for quick and easy > replacement and no need to worry about timing so long as I pay careful > attention to the positions of the rotor and distributor body when switching > things out. > > On my race cars I use Pertronix modules simply because the failure mode is > almost always total which makes diagnosis much easier whereas with points > there is one more component (the condenser) plus very often when points > ignitions go bad the problem is often partial and/or intermittent, > resulting in more time lost trying to diagnose the problem with more > sessions lost due to having more possibilities to eliminate. > > Best--Michael Oritt > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 8:47 PM warthodson--- via Healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the answer is: "the car would >> not have been disabled due to the points failing". >> Gary >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dwflagg--- via Healeys >> To: ahbn6 at verizon.net >> Cc: healeys at autox.team.net >> Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pm >> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy >> >> >> *Also, years ago whilst traveling the New York State Thruway I came upon >> a disabled Austin Healey whilst driving my own to a fraternity brother's >> wedding. This was before cell phones. Disabled vehicles were at the mercy >> of tow trucks and **exorbitant fees. It was **determined** there was no >> spark. With no tools but just a nail clipper with a nail file, we filed the >> **points,** and were both on our **way! Try** that with a Pertronix >> unit!* >> >> *Doug* >> *To add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in Las Vegas >> years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A highway patrolman >> stopped and repaired it with super glue and a rubber band. I limped home 15 >> miles ? put on another rotor and kept a spare for safety and the repaired >> one in the parcel shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit* >> >> *John Sims* >> *www.healey6.com * >> *Matawan, NJ* >> >> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *Jim Ryan >> *Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM >> *To:* patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> >> *Cc:* List Healey >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy >> >> Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has >> always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on >> the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same >> manner if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare? >> I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here. >> >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, >> including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit. I'm >> very happy with the results. >> Pat Williams >> 1960 BT7 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ryan at jimryan.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/warthodson at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/airtightproductions at icloud.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > Healeys at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bspidell at comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/airtightproductions at icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/springer.mike51 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ynotink at msn.com Tue Aug 30 20:09:17 2022 From: ynotink at msn.com (WILLIAM B LAWRENCE) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 02:09:17 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Distributor guy In-Reply-To: <4190764c-0fdc-47bb-83a9-a5c4b2a698d2@me.com> References: <20220829.130050.20213.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <1642592183.1120055.1661809224001@mail.yahoo.com> <542ca0bb-3ca8-4ac9-bcc0-d06082376360@me.com> <35a9741b-8e2c-07ad-845c-65b1ab329cf6@comcast.net> <4190764c-0fdc-47bb-83a9-a5c4b2a698d2@me.com> Message-ID: I had been using solid core wires since 2002, but when I changed to negative ground in 2019 the new pertronix had a warning against solid core (electronics sensitive to RF spikes or something) so I bought a set of carbon core wires and adapted them to my original (acorn nut) distributor cap by holding the brass washers in place with small brass screws inserted into the carbon core. No problems yet. Bill Lawrence BN1 #554 ________________________________ From: Healeys on behalf of Steven Kingsbury via Healeys Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 10:28 PM To: Bob Spidell Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Bob, Thanks for the link, I'll check this out and chase it down. I know also you said you were using the solid core wires, but on this website you sent, it definitely advises against that. Like you, I wonder why. other than messing with a radio, I would see no disadvantage. And sense I have no radio, I don't mind messing with folks next to me and their radios! Stay tuned! (No pun intended) Steven On Aug 30, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: Found some here: https://vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/austin_healey.htm Looks like there's two versions--'early' and 'late'--for 4-cyl Healeys. On 8/30/2022 8:42 AM, Steven Kingsbury via Healeys wrote: Been watching this entertaining discussion from the sidelines and I'm one of those: "it's your car, do what you want" guys, but I have a question about the Pertronix shift. According to the directions, a change in plug wires is required. From solid core copper to carbon fiber. So how can those of you going back and forth from points to Pertronix doing it? Or, are you just sticking with the solid core wires? I tried going to the Pertronix, but the base plate for the "ignitor" wouldn't fit where it was claimed, in the depression for the condensor, it fit way off not quite 180 degrees but close, and though I did get a backfire, I never got the car to run and gave up. I pulled the distributor, tore it apart, cleaned everything up, put everything back together, refit it with new points and reinstalled it in the car using the cell phone photos I took to get it back as close as possible and bam!, she fired right up! Got my timing light out, made the slightest adjustment and I'm back in the game. I have since been able to buy another distributor from a BN1, which was a bit of a mess inside, but was able to tear it apart, clean it, put it back together and it now works just fine and now if I have trouble on the side of the road, I have a spare distributor to switch out. But I may go the Pertronix path in the future, and the solid core wire question is still in my mind. As well as the placement of the ignitor. Or am I just using the wrong Pertronix kit? I've got the LU-149 kit. Thanks! Steven Kingsbury BN1 On Aug 29, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Michael Oritt wrote: I've had the pleasure of replacing a set of contact points alongside the road in the dark. If you don't get the stack of insulating washers and parts correct you are going nowhere and it's awfully easy to drop one of the bits down and under the car--with the same result. I put a Mallory Unilite distributor/ignition system in my Healey about twenty years ago with absolutely no issue other than a cracked external ballast resistor and about three years ago I replaced the module simply because I did not want to push my luck any further. On long trips I carry a spare distributor with drive dog attached, allowing for quick and easy replacement and no need to worry about timing so long as I pay careful attention to the positions of the rotor and distributor body when switching things out. On my race cars I use Pertronix modules simply because the failure mode is almost always total which makes diagnosis much easier whereas with points there is one more component (the condenser) plus very often when points ignitions go bad the problem is often partial and/or intermittent, resulting in more time lost trying to diagnose the problem with more sessions lost due to having more possibilities to eliminate. Best--Michael Oritt On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 8:47 PM warthodson--- via Healeys > wrote: Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the answer is: "the car would not have been disabled due to the points failing". Gary -----Original Message----- From: dwflagg--- via Healeys > To: ahbn6 at verizon.net Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pm Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Also, years ago whilst traveling the New York State Thruway I came upon a disabled Austin Healey whilst driving my own to a fraternity brother's wedding. This was before cell phones. Disabled vehicles were at the mercy of tow trucks and exorbitant fees. It was determined there was no spark. With no tools but just a nail clipper with a nail file, we filed the points, and were both on our way! Try that with a Pertronix unit! Doug To add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway in Las Vegas years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in two. A highway patrolman stopped and repaired it with super glue and a rubber band. I limped home 15 miles ? put on another rotor and kept a spare for safety and the repaired one in the parcel shelve for memories. Try that with a Pertronix unit John Sims www.healey6.com Matawan, NJ From: Healeys > On Behalf Of Jim Ryan Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM To: patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> Cc: List Healey > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original points has always been that you can replace the points in the event of a failure on the side of the road. How difficult is it to replace this unit in the same manner if you carried a spare, and what would the cost be for that spare? I'm referring to a1958 Bugeye here. On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams <2x2doc at gmail.com> wrote: It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my distributor, including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put in a pertronix unit. I'm very happy with the results. 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The car has been professionally restored & appears to be in excellent condition. Today, we tried again to bleed the system following the shop manual. I.E. backing off the adjusters on the front & back & bleeding & then readjusting the brakes. The results were the same. There seems to be an excessively large amount of pedal travel before the brakes are engaged & when engaged they feel "spongy". We have access to 2 other 100's for reference. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also, we are not clear on the adjustment of the free play of the master cylinder. Gary Hodson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Tue Aug 30 21:20:11 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:20:11 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] BN1 brake system In-Reply-To: <91677579.1607574.1661905594266@mail.yahoo.com> References: <91677579.1607574.1661905594266.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <91677579.1607574.1661905594266@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'll pass on something that was passed to me by another Lister, but seems nonsensical on the surface: I had the same problem you're having with my BN2. Someone suggested pumping up the pedal as hard as possible, then hold pressure on the pedal with something; I used a 2x4 of appropriate size backed-up by the seat pan. I let it sit overnight and, in the morning I had good pedal! There's no rational explanation for this phenomenon, but it's worth a try when all else fails (the only thing I can think of is the M/C is kind of wonky and makes bleeding difficult). On 8/30/2022 5:26 PM, warthodson--- via Healeys wrote: > We have been trying for several months to bleed the brakes on RHD BN1, > to no avail. The car has been professionally restored & appears to be > in excellent condition. Today, we tried again to bleed the system > following the shop manual. I.E. backing off the adjusters on the front > & back & bleeding & then readjusting the brakes. The results were the > same. There seems to be an excessively large amount of pedal travel > before the brakes are engaged & when engaged they feel "spongy". We > have access to 2 other 100's for reference. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. Also, we are not clear on the adjustment of the free play > of the master cylinder. > Gary Hodson > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healey.nut at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 21:44:27 2022 From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 11:44:27 +0800 Subject: [Healeys] BN1 brake system In-Reply-To: <91677579.1607574.1661905594266@mail.yahoo.com> References: <91677579.1607574.1661905594266.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <91677579.1607574.1661905594266@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Gary - Are you pedal bleeding or are you using EZIBLEED? If you are pedal bleeding it won't work, you need to use Ezibleed to get it right. Also, I would not use silicone fluid, dot 4 is the best, because over time you will get a better pedal as the seal swell a bit with old school Dot 3 or 4. Best, Alan On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 10:19 AM warthodson--- via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > We have been trying for several months to bleed the brakes on RHD BN1, to > no avail. The car has been professionally restored & appears to be in > excellent condition. Today, we tried again to bleed the system following > the shop manual. I.E. backing off the adjusters on the front & back & > bleeding & then readjusting the brakes. The results were the same. There > seems to be an excessively large amount of pedal travel before the brakes > are engaged & when engaged they feel "spongy". We have access to 2 other > 100's for reference. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also, we are > not clear on the adjustment of the free play of the master cylinder. > Gary Hodson > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Tue Aug 30 23:16:05 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:16:05 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] BN1 brake system In-Reply-To: References: <91677579.1607574.1661905594266.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <91677579.1607574.1661905594266@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Begs the question: Would it help to unscrew the front cylinder cross-connect pipe and bleed a little fluid along with some air? Messy, to be sure. On 8/30/2022 7:40 PM, greylinn--- via Healeys wrote: > > ?.if you have _some_ resistance, jam the pedal down hard (I use a > piece of wood between the pedal & the seat) and leave it as long as > you can. Do this repeatedly & you will find the pedal will come up. > I?ve done this many times on several BN1s. The problem is where the > bleeders are situated on the front cylinders. > > Cheers > > Peter Linn > > Brisbane > > BN1 V6 > > *From:*Healeys *On Behalf Of > *warthodson--- via Healeys > *Sent:* Wednesday, 31 August 2022 10:27 AM > *To:* healeys at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Healeys] BN1 brake system > > We have been trying for several months to bleed the brakes on RHD BN1, > to no avail. The car has been professionally restored & appears to be > in excellent condition. Today, we tried again to bleed the system > following the shop manual. I.E. backing off the adjusters on the front > & back & bleeding & then readjusting the brakes. The results were the > same. There seems to be an excessively large amount of pedal travel > before the brakes are engaged & when engaged they feel "spongy". We > have access to 2 other 100's for reference. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. Also, we are not clear on the adjustment of the free play > of the master cylinder. > > Gary Hodson > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at dleong.org Tue Aug 30 23:18:38 2022 From: david at dleong.org (David Leong) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 05:18:38 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] BN1 brake system In-Reply-To: <91677579.1607574.1661905594266@mail.yahoo.com> References: <91677579.1607574.1661905594266.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <91677579.1607574.1661905594266@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1cd30acdab004600ac7ea4cfd5eac1e2@DLEONG-EXCH.dleong.pro> Use a power pressure bleeder (I have a Motive Bleeder) and tap on the slaves to loosen any air bubbles. Make sure there are no high spots where air can get trapped and not be purged out of the bleeder screw Dave From: Healeys On Behalf Of warthodson--- via Healeys Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 5:27 PM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] BN1 brake system We have been trying for several months to bleed the brakes on RHD BN1, to no avail. The car has been professionally restored & appears to be in excellent condition. Today, we tried again to bleed the system following the shop manual. I.E. backing off the adjusters on the front & back & bleeding & then readjusting the brakes. The results were the same. There seems to be an excessively large amount of pedal travel before the brakes are engaged & when engaged they feel "spongy". We have access to 2 other 100's for reference. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also, we are not clear on the adjustment of the free play of the master cylinder. Gary Hodson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Wed Aug 31 02:00:25 2022 From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 09:00:25 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] BN1 brake system Message-ID: <000001d8bd0f$bb751040$325f30c0$@alexarevel.plus.com> Yes, for sure, an Eezibleeder helps. Keep the air pressure down, maybe a bit less than suggested in the destructions. Otherwise, see this, below, from one of my manuals. (Curiously, not in all of them). ??If the bleeding of any cylinder continues without success for a considerable time, it is possible that air is being drawn in past the bleeder screw threads. In such cases tighten the bleeder screw at the end of each downward stroke* of the pedal and allow the pedal to return fully before re-opening it. Close the bleeder screw finally during the last pedal application.? *ie to prevent air being drawn in during the upward passage of the pedal. (SDL 14/08/2019)? I suppose that, the brakes being old, the threads get worn and let air back in as the pedal goes back up. So, I tighten the bleeder as the fluid is still coming out, ie before the downward stroke is finished. Slows the process up somewhat and tries the patience of ones wifely assistant. Good luck anyhow. Simon From: Healeys On Behalf Of David Leong via Healeys Sent: 31 August 2022 06:19 To: 'Healey List (healeys at autox.team.net)' Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN1 brake system Use a power pressure bleeder (I have a Motive Bleeder) and tap on the slaves to loosen any air bubbles. Make sure there are no high spots where air can get trapped and not be purged out of the bleeder screw Dave From: Healeys > On Behalf Of warthodson--- via Healeys Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 5:27 PM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] BN1 brake system We have been trying for several months to bleed the brakes on RHD BN1, to no avail. The car has been professionally restored & appears to be in excellent condition. Today, we tried again to bleed the system following the shop manual. I.E. backing off the adjusters on the front & back & bleeding & then readjusting the brakes. The results were the same. There seems to be an excessively large amount of pedal travel before the brakes are engaged & when engaged they feel "spongy". We have access to 2 other 100's for reference. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also, we are not clear on the adjustment of the free play of the master cylinder. Gary Hodson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healey.nut at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 05:23:37 2022 From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 19:23:37 +0800 Subject: [Healeys] BN1 brake system In-Reply-To: <000001d8bd0f$bb751040$325f30c0$@alexarevel.plus.com> References: <000001d8bd0f$bb751040$325f30c0$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: Actually - part of the problem is the BN1 and some BN2 bleeder valves originally had a separate ball inside the slave?s bleeder which the little ball sealed the system. Over the years i?m sure that ball has been lost and maybe you think the bleed screw is sealing the slave when it really isn?t until it?s fully cinched. That also can contribute to the inability to get a firm pedal. Cheers, Alan On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 4:16 PM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Yes, for sure, an Eezibleeder helps. Keep the air pressure down, maybe a > bit less than suggested in the destructions. > > Otherwise, see this, below, from one of my manuals. (Curiously, not in all > of them). > > ??If the bleeding of any cylinder continues without success for a > considerable time, it is possible that air is being drawn in past the > bleeder screw threads. In such cases tighten the bleeder screw at the end > of each downward stroke* of the pedal and allow the pedal to return fully > before re-opening it. Close the bleeder screw finally during the last > pedal application.? > > *ie to prevent air being drawn in during the upward passage of the pedal. > (SDL 14/08/2019)? > > I suppose that, the brakes being old, the threads get worn and let air > back in as the pedal goes back up. So, I tighten the bleeder as the fluid > is still coming out, ie before the downward stroke is finished. Slows the > process up somewhat and tries the patience of ones wifely assistant. > > Good luck anyhow. > > Simon > > > > > > *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *David > Leong via Healeys > *Sent:* 31 August 2022 06:19 > *To:* 'Healey List (healeys at autox.team.net)' > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] BN1 brake system > > > > Use a power pressure bleeder (I have a Motive Bleeder) and tap on the > slaves to loosen any air bubbles. Make sure there are no high spots where > air can get trapped and not be purged out of the bleeder screw > > > > > > *Dave* > > > > *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *warthodson--- > via Healeys > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2022 5:27 PM > *To:* healeys at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Healeys] BN1 brake system > > > > We have been trying for several months to bleed the brakes on RHD BN1, to > no avail. The car has been professionally restored & appears to be in > excellent condition. Today, we tried again to bleed the system following > the shop manual. I.E. backing off the adjusters on the front & back & > bleeding & then readjusting the brakes. The results were the same. There > seems to be an excessively large amount of pedal travel before the brakes > are engaged & when engaged they feel "spongy". We have access to 2 other > 100's for reference. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also, we are > not clear on the adjustment of the free play of the master cylinder. > > Gary Hodson > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eyera3000 at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 08:02:32 2022 From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (I Erbs) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 07:02:32 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] 'Big Healey' buyer's guide - Classics World Message-ID: https://classicsworld.co.uk/guides/big-healey-buyers-guide/?utm_campaign=1069151_Classics%20World%2031%2F08%2F22&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Kelsey%20Media%20Ltd&dm_i=5D8F,MWYN,3U3VED,2RM22,1 Always fun to read about the high and low points of our cars -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rchaskell at earthlink.net Wed Aug 31 08:30:13 2022 From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 10:30:13 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] 'Big Healey' buyer's guide - Classics World In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I always thought that "Big Healey" applied to the 100/1006-/3000 versus the Sprite, not 100 versus 100-6/3000. Cheers, Bob Haskell Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar On 8/31/22 10:02 AM, I Erbs via Healeys wrote: > https://classicsworld.co.uk/guides/big-healey-buyers-guide/?utm_campaign=1069151_Classics%20World%2031%2F08%2F22&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Kelsey%20Media%20Ltd&dm_i=5D8F,MWYN,3U3VED,2RM22,1 > > > Always fun to read about the high and low points of our cars > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net > From bspidell at comcast.net Wed Aug 31 08:48:03 2022 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 07:48:03 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] BN1 brake system In-Reply-To: <000001d8bd0f$bb751040$325f30c0$@alexarevel.plus.com> References: <000001d8bd0f$bb751040$325f30c0$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: <12a05b6a-a6b4-29cf-72fd-f8edf0f3f8f5@comcast.net> ... but don't torque the snot out of the bleeder; I've seen bleeder holes where the seat of the bleeder 'needle' has been cracked due to excessive force, making the cylinder junk. On 8/31/2022 1:00 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote: > > Yes, for sure, an Eezibleeder helps. Keep the air pressure down, maybe > a bit less than suggested in the destructions. > > Otherwise, see this, below, from one of my manuals. (Curiously, not in > all of them). > > ??Ifthebleedingofanycylindercontinueswithoutsuccessforaconsiderabletime,itispossiblethatairisbeingdrawninpastthebleederscrewthreads.Insuchcasestightenthebleederscrewattheendofeachdownwardstroke*ofthepedalandallowthepedaltoreturnfullybeforere-openingit.Closethebleederscrewfinallyduringthelastpedalapplication.? > > *ie to prevent air being drawn in during the upward passage of the > pedal. (SDL 14/08/2019)? > > I suppose that, the brakes being old, the threads get worn and let air > back in as the pedal goes back up. So, I tighten the bleeder as the > fluid is still coming out, ie before the downward stroke is finished. > Slows the process up somewhat and tries the patience of ones wifely > assistant. > > Good luck anyhow. > > Simon > > *From:*Healeys *On Behalf Of *David > Leong via Healeys > *Sent:* 31 August 2022 06:19 > *To:* 'Healey List (healeys at autox.team.net)' > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] BN1 brake system > > Use a power pressure bleeder (I have a Motive Bleeder) and tap on the > slaves to loosen any air bubbles. Make sure there are no high spots > where air can get trapped and not be purged out of the bleeder screw > > */Dave/* > > *From:*Healeys *On Behalf Of > *warthodson--- via Healeys > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2022 5:27 PM > *To:* healeys at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Healeys] BN1 brake system > > We have been trying for several months to bleed the brakes on RHD BN1, > to no avail. The car has been professionally restored & appears to be > in excellent condition. Today, we tried again to bleed the system > following the shop manual. I.E. backing off the adjusters on the front > & back & bleeding & then readjusting the brakes. The results were the > same. There seems to be an excessively large amount of pedal travel > before the brakes are engaged & when engaged they feel "spongy". We > have access to 2 other 100's for reference. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. Also, we are not clear on the adjustment of the free play > of the master cylinder. > > Gary Hodson > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healeydoc at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 31 09:14:35 2022 From: healeydoc at sbcglobal.net (David Nock BCS) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:14:35 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] BN1 brake system In-Reply-To: References: <000001d8bd0f$bb751040$325f30c0$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: <17523C15721548FB9A401229E9423947@DavidNockHP> Look closely at the pipes and bleed screws on the front cylinders the brake line connect at the top of the cylinder and the bleed screw goes in the bottom hole. This is totally wrong to any other cylinder. The bleed screw always goes to the top of the cylinder because that is where the air is. Then take a three pair of vice grips and pinch off all the flex hoses, you should have a solid pedal right up to the top. If not there is air or a problem in the master cylinder. Then remove one pair at a time starting at the rear. Try the brakes each time, when you loose the brakes that is where the problem is. Look at the contact area of the shoes. Most of the brake shoe area must be touching the drums otherwise you will be flexing the shoes. Many of the new shoes on the market are not arced to a drum. David Nock British Car Specialists 209-948-8767 www.britishcarspecialists.com From: Alan Seigrist Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2022 4:23 AM To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Cc: Healeys Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN1 brake system Actually - part of the problem is the BN1 and some BN2 bleeder valves originally had a separate ball inside the slave?s bleeder which the little ball sealed the system. Over the years i?m sure that ball has been lost and maybe you think the bleed screw is sealing the slave when it really isn?t until it?s fully cinched. That also can contribute to the inability to get a firm pedal. Cheers, Alan On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 4:16 PM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote: Yes, for sure, an Eezibleeder helps. Keep the air pressure down, maybe a bit less than suggested in the destructions Otherwise, see this, below, from one of my manuals. (Curiously, not in all of them). ??If the bleeding of any cylinder continues without success for a considerable time, it is possible that air is being drawn in past the bleeder screw threads. In such cases tighten the bleeder screw at the end of each downward stroke* of the pedal and allow the pedal to return fully before re-opening it. Close the bleeder screw finally during the last pedal application.? *ie to prevent air being drawn in during the upward passage of the pedal. (SDL 14/08/2019)? I suppose that, the brakes being old, the threads get worn and let air back in as the pedal goes back up. So, I tighten the bleeder as the fluid is still coming out, ie before the downward stroke is finished. Slows the process up somewhat and tries the patience of ones wifely assistant. Good luck anyhow. Simon From: Healeys On Behalf Of David Leong via Healeys Sent: 31 August 2022 06:19 To: 'Healey List (healeys at autox.team.net)' Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN1 brake system Use a power pressure bleeder (I have a Motive Bleeder) and tap on the slaves to loosen any air bubbles. Make sure there are no high spots where air can get trapped and not be purged out of the bleeder screw Dave From: Healeys On Behalf Of warthodson--- via Healeys Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 5:27 PM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] BN1 brake system We have been trying for several months to bleed the brakes on RHD BN1, to no avail. The car has been professionally restored & appears to be in excellent condition. Today, we tried again to bleed the system following the shop manual. I.E. backing off the adjusters on the front & back & bleeding & then readjusting the brakes. The results were the same. There seems to be an excessively large amount of pedal travel before the brakes are engaged & when engaged they feel "spongy". We have access to 2 other 100's for reference. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also, we are not clear on the adjustment of the free play of the master cylinder. 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URL: From eyera3000 at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 09:54:00 2022 From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:54:00 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] 'Big Healey' buyer's guide - Classics World In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I found that odd too On Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 7:30 AM Bob Haskell wrote: > I always thought that "Big Healey" applied to the 100/1006-/3000 versus > the Sprite, not 100 versus 100-6/3000. > > Cheers, > > Bob Haskell > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > > On 8/31/22 10:02 AM, I Erbs via Healeys wrote: > > > https://classicsworld.co.uk/guides/big-healey-buyers-guide/?utm_campaign=1069151_Classics%20World%2031%2F08%2F22&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Kelsey%20Media%20Ltd&dm_i=5D8F,MWYN,3U3VED,2RM22,1 > > < > https://classicsworld.co.uk/guides/big-healey-buyers-guide/?utm_campaign=1069151_Classics%20World%2031%2F08%2F22&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Kelsey%20Media%20Ltd&dm_i=5D8F,MWYN,3U3VED,2RM22,1> > > > > > Always fun to read about the high and low points of our cars > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > > > Healeys at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.oritt at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 10:34:14 2022 From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 12:34:14 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] 'Big Healey' buyer's guide - Classics World In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Agreed Bob--the author of the buying guide just doesn't have his nomenclature or history straight. As I understand things BMC went to the six because the four was no longer available, not to differentiate the Healey from the MGA. Best--Michael Oritt On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 10:38 AM Bob Haskell wrote: > I always thought that "Big Healey" applied to the 100/1006-/3000 versus > the Sprite, not 100 versus 100-6/3000. > > Cheers, > > Bob Haskell > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > > On 8/31/22 10:02 AM, I Erbs via Healeys wrote: > > > https://classicsworld.co.uk/guides/big-healey-buyers-guide/?utm_campaign=1069151_Classics%20World%2031%2F08%2F22&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Kelsey%20Media%20Ltd&dm_i=5D8F,MWYN,3U3VED,2RM22,1 > > < > https://classicsworld.co.uk/guides/big-healey-buyers-guide/?utm_campaign=1069151_Classics%20World%2031%2F08%2F22&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Kelsey%20Media%20Ltd&dm_i=5D8F,MWYN,3U3VED,2RM22,1> > > > > > Always fun to read about the high and low points of our cars > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > > > Healeys at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelsalter at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 11:34:03 2022 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 13:34:03 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] BN1 brake system In-Reply-To: <17523C15721548FB9A401229E9423947@DavidNockHP> References: <000001d8bd0f$bb751040$325f30c0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <17523C15721548FB9A401229E9423947@DavidNockHP> Message-ID: This may help. https://precisionsportscar.com/bleeding-austin-healey-4-wheel-drum-brakes/ M > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gradea1 at charter.net Wed Aug 31 12:01:06 2022 From: gradea1 at charter.net (gradea1 at charter.net) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 18:01:06 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] BN1 brake bleed Message-ID: Agree with all suggestions. Sucking is better than pumping, as the pump method moves such a small quantity of fluid throughout the system. Yes, the early bleeders used a check ball seal and are proper providing you use the early rounded bleeder screw. If you use the later screw, it is pointed, but the cylinder body many not mate well with it. Use all original parts to insure good results. The new check ball comes in the rebuild kit. My thought on the 2x4 bleed method is that having the system under pressure overnight, the air bubble that is causing the soft pedal is eventually expelled thru the reservoir tank vent hole. That is the only real "opening" in the system, but a natural escape route. Hank -----------------------------------------From: "Alan Seigrist" To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Cc: "Healeys" Sent: Wednesday August 31 2022 4:43:43AM Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN1 brake system Actually - part of the problem is the BN1 and some BN2 bleeder valves originally had a separate ball inside the slave?s bleeder which the little ball sealed the system. Over the years i?m sure that ball has been lost and maybe you think the bleed screw is sealing the slave when it really isn?t until it?s fully cinched. That also can contribute to the inability to get a firm pedal. Cheers, Alan On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 4:16 PM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote: Yes, for sure, an Eezibleeder helps. Keep the air pressure down, maybe a bit less than suggested in the destructions. Otherwise, see this, below, from one of my manuals. (Curiously, not in all of them). ??If the bleeding of any cylinder continues without success for a considerable time, it is possible that air is being drawn in past the bleeder screw threads. In such cases tighten the bleeder screw at the end of each downward stroke* of the pedal and allow the pedal to return fully before re-opening it. Close the bleeder screw finally during the last pedal application.? *ie to prevent air being drawn in during the upward passage of the pedal. (SDL 14/08/2019)? I suppose that, the brakes being old, the threads get worn and let air back in as the pedal goes back up. So, I tighten the bleeder as the fluid is still coming out, ie before the downward stroke is finished. Slows the process up somewhat and tries the patience of ones wifely assistant. Good luck anyhow. Simon FROM: Healeys ON BEHALF OF David Leong via Healeys SENT: 31 August 2022 06:19 TO: 'Healey List (healeys at autox.team.net)' SUBJECT: Re: [Healeys] BN1 brake system Use a power pressure bleeder (I have a Motive Bleeder) and tap on the slaves to loosen any air bubbles. Make sure there are no high spots where air can get trapped and not be purged out of the bleeder screw _ DAVE_ FROM: Healeys ON BEHALF OF warthodson--- via Healeys SENT: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 5:27 PM TO: healeys at autox.team.net SUBJECT: [Healeys] BN1 brake system We have been trying for several months to bleed the brakes on RHD BN1, to no avail. The car has been professionally restored & appears to be in excellent condition. Today, we tried again to bleed the system following the shop manual. I.E. backing off the adjusters on the front & back & bleeding & then readjusting the brakes. The results were the same. There seems to be an excessively large amount of pedal travel before the brakes are engaged & when engaged they feel "spongy". We have access to 2 other 100's for reference. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also, we are not clear on the adjustment of the free play of the master cylinder. 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URL: From gblack at hextrans.com Wed Aug 31 13:28:57 2022 From: gblack at hextrans.com (Gary Black) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 19:28:57 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] BN1 Brake System Message-ID: Had this same problem on a BN-7. Turned out to be a crappy aftermarket master cylinder. Gary Black, AICP President Hexagon Transportation Consultants, Inc. San Jose | Gilroy | Pleasanton NOTE NEW OFFICE ADDRESS: 100 Century Center Court, Suite 501 | San Jose, California 95112 phone 408.971.6100 | fax 408.971.6102 www.hextrans.com Please consider the environment before printing this material. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eyera3000 at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 15:40:13 2022 From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 14:40:13 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] 'Big Healey' buyer's guide - Classics World In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's why I find this stuff so interesting... On Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 9:34 AM Michael Oritt wrote: > Agreed Bob--the author of the buying guide just doesn't have his > nomenclature or history straight. As I understand things BMC went to the > six because the four was no longer available, not to differentiate the > Healey from the MGA. > > Best--Michael Oritt > > On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 10:38 AM Bob Haskell > wrote: > >> I always thought that "Big Healey" applied to the 100/1006-/3000 versus >> the Sprite, not 100 versus 100-6/3000. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Bob Haskell >> Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar >> >> On 8/31/22 10:02 AM, I Erbs via Healeys wrote: >> > >> https://classicsworld.co.uk/guides/big-healey-buyers-guide/?utm_campaign=1069151_Classics%20World%2031%2F08%2F22&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Kelsey%20Media%20Ltd&dm_i=5D8F,MWYN,3U3VED,2RM22,1 >> > < >> https://classicsworld.co.uk/guides/big-healey-buyers-guide/?utm_campaign=1069151_Classics%20World%2031%2F08%2F22&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Kelsey%20Media%20Ltd&dm_i=5D8F,MWYN,3U3VED,2RM22,1> >> >> > >> > Always fun to read about the high and low points of our cars >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> > >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> > >> > Healeys at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> > >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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