[Healeys] Overdrive pressure not releasing.

Bob Spidell bspidell at comcast.net
Mon Apr 18 09:24:29 MDT 2022


Wouldn't opening up an O/D with 500psi be kind of messy?

On 4/18/2022 8:03 AM, Roger Grace wrote:
> To confirm Michae's analysis, consider:
>   remove ball, spring and plunger
>   remove the valve push rod and inspect - I use a piece of steel wire 
> of appropriate thickness to pry out.
>   replace the push rod - it should go in smoothly
>   insert the wire again and push down gently; with your other hand 
> operate the cam and you should feel the operating rod move up and down 
> on the cam.
>  if not MS is correct and the pin/peg has failed....
>  of course it could also be the cotter pin that goes through the 
> setting lever - but less likely IMO
> BTW I have found that my OD (O rings) holds 400 psi for several days.
> rg
>
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> On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 3:21 PM Simon Lachlan via Healeys 
> <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>     That’s the one I’ve got. I did get an increase in pressure. No
>     question about that.
>
>     I talked to Dave at OD Spares with regard to the various
>     accumulators out there at the moment. I don’t recall exactly but
>     he supplies all of them to his customers and, I think, to the
>     suppliers.
>
>     Simon
>
>     *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Bob
>     Spidell
>     *Sent:* 17 April 2022 23:06
>     *To:* Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
>     *Cc:* healeys at autox.team.net
>     *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Overdrive pressure not releasing.
>
>     AH Spares has an accumulator and piston which uses an O-ring. It
>     appears the pressure relief hole is chamfered:
>
>     https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/performance-parts/gearbox-overdrive/o-ring-conversion-accumulator-piston.aspx
>
>     On 4/17/2022 12:03 PM, Michael Salter wrote:
>
>         Actually Bob I've never used an "O" ringed accumulator.
>
>         I spent a little time many years back looking into using "O"
>         rings on the accumulator but couldn't resolve the issue of the
>         ring being chaffed when passing over the radial drillings in
>         the accumulator body.
>
>         Does anyone know how that has been solved?
>
>         M
>
>         On Sun., Apr. 17, 2022, 2:49 p.m. Bob Spidell,
>         <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>             Michael,
>
>             Sounds like you're implying the O-ringed accumulator is
>             superior to the metal ring (OEM) type? Wish I'd known
>             about it when I rebuilt my O/D (I bought the DWM 'uprated'
>             accumulator).
>
>             I'll throw out another, very unlikely, potential cause:
>             the cone clutch could be stuck together. I've heard of
>             this happening, but have never experienced it my self--nor
>             has anyone I know--but it's theoretically possible (esp.
>             if the clutch is excessively worn). Could this be the
>             reason the manual is adamant about replacing the 8 strong
>             springs, of two lengths, that oppose the operating pistons
>             on overhaul, regardless if they still seem robust?
>
>             On 4/17/2022 9:31 AM, Michael Salter via Healeys wrote:
>
>                 Simon,
>
>                 Based upon your synopsis I conclude that the operating
>                 valve is NOT opening when either the solenoid lever or
>                 the setting lever is being moved to the position where
>                 the operating valve ball would normally be lifted off
>                 its seat.
>
>                 This conclusion is based upon your discovery that the
>                 pressure in the accumulator, as indicated on the
>                 gauge, does not leak away overnight.
>
>                 There is a small clearance between the operating valve
>                 push rod and the overdrive housing. If the operating
>                 valve ball was indeed lifted off its seat all the oil
>                 in the accumulator would, over time, leak past the
>                 operating rod thus discharge the accumulator.
>
>                 This process would indeed take some time but would
>                 certainly completely relieve most, if not all the
>                 residual accumulator pressure overnight.
>
>                 If however the operating valve ball is still in
>                 contact with its seat (i.e. not being lifted) the oil
>                 pressure would not reach the small clearance between
>                 the valve push rod and the housing and, other than
>                 past the accumulator rings there is nowhere for that
>                 pressure to be relieved.
>
>                 I would presume that Overdrive Spares installed an
>                 accumulator with an "O" ring rather than the original
>                 cast iron rings. If the original type accumulator
>                 piston was still fitted, oil would seep past the cast
>                 iron rings to relieve the pressure, albeit very
>                 slowly, and again the accumulator pressure would be
>                 discharged overnight..
>
>                 The cam on the operating shaft, the one which lifts
>                 the operating valve push rod and thus the operating
>                 valve ball, is locked to the shaft with a small taper
>                 pin. I would guess that the taper pin has either
>                 fallen out or sheared.
>
>                 Bad news is that this pin cannot be accessed without
>                 removing and disassembling the overdrive.
>
>                 M
>
>                 On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 1:19 PM Simon Lachlan via
>                 Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>                     My OD is driving me mad and I definitely need some
>                     inspired advice. A bit of background first. I’ll
>                     try to lay out all the facts in a logical
>                     sequence. (I’m increasingly reluctant to link ODs
>                     with logic!)
>
>                      1. I’d say that the OD has done +/- 15k miles
>                         since a total rebuild by Overdrive Spares here
>                         in UK.
>                      2. The OD had issues before Christmas (21) and
>                         was sorted out by OD Spares. The accumulator
>                         was uprated and pressure issues sorted.
>                      3. OD functioned 100% on the few times I’d been
>                         able to take it out since then until..
>                      4. One day, the OD stopped functioning.
>                      5. I checked the electrics. All fine there so I
>                         delved a bit deeper.
>                      6. It had fried its solenoid which I replaced. But…
>                      7. That did not fix the problem so…
>                      8. I decided that the operating valve’s
>                         adjustment might be off so..
>                      9. I bought a dial gauge and hoped to sort it out
>                         precisely rather than by “feel”, which I lack
>                         in this area.
>                     10. Prior to using the gauge I decided to see if
>                         the OD was functioning at all so I raised the
>                         car on stands and fitted my pressure gauge.
>                     11. I get a reading of 500psi rising a bit when I
>                         rev the engine but I’d suppose that would drop
>                         when the oil warms up.
>                     12. BUT, and this is where things go
>                         pear-shaped…moving the little lever on the RHS
>                         up and down does not engage/disengage OD.
>                         There is no change on the gauge to show OD
>                         engaging or disengaging.
>                     13. AND, the gauge stays at 500psi even when the
>                         engine is off. Moving the lever 20 times has
>                         zero effect. Stayed at 500 overnight!
>                     14. Of course, I checked for dirt in the operating
>                         valve area. None.
>                     15. Likewise, the tiny hole in the “valve –
>                         operating” (the spindle thing which the ball
>                         sits on)….that’s clear. And surely, the
>                         pressure would diminish overnight if something
>                         in that area was partially obstructed?
>                     16. When I remove the pressure valve, there’s a
>                         small spillage – no more than you’d expect –
>                         but repeating the pressure gauge process only
>                         returns the same results.
>                     17. I see in the bible according to Norman Nock
>                         that “Holding this lever with your thumb and
>                         index finger, you should be able to push the
>                         lever down lightly about ⅜” until you feel a
>                         slight spring pressure resistance. The lever
>                         should go down another ¼” after encountering
>                         the resistance……” ie there’s about ⅝” movement
>                         up & down in that lever. Well, my lever does
>                         move and does lift the ball, but there’s not
>                         ⅝” movement there. Could that be the problem
>                         area???
>                     18. Almost finished…keep reading!
>
>                     So, I’m stumped. Every time I learn something new
>                     about the OD, it has a new trick to baffle me.
>
>                     I’ve no 100% sure way of telling whether it’s gone
>                     into OD  and stuck there or whether it’s simply
>                     not going into OD at all.
>
>                     I’ve done a lot of reading through my books and
>                     collection of advice from the various gurus and
>                     found reference to ODs being stuck but those
>                     seemed to be to do with “weak springs” which,
>                     particularly after a long lay-off, wouldn’t
>                     disengage. The cure for this being a good smack on
>                     the steel plate sandwiched in the OD from below.
>                     Well, that seems to be a stuck mechanism issue
>                     whereas I’m facing a hydraulic conundrum. Or am I?
>
>                     There is what is usually referred to as the
>                     “pressure relief valve” adjacent to the
>                     accumulator. The name suggested that pressure
>                     might be stuck in that area….but surely not overnight?
>
>                     Any ideas? I am particularly reluctant to take the
>                     gearbox and OD out. You’ll recall the ridiculous
>                     business of the defective clutch kit? Well, I
>                     forget whether we had the box in and out 3 times
>                     or 4. I’d hoped not to do it again so soon or ever
>                     for that matter.
>
>                     I’m hoping for a miracle of course but some sound
>                     advice would be a godsend…………
>
>                     Thanks,
>
>                     Simon
>
>
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