[Healeys] Overdrive pressure not releasing.

Bob Spidell bspidell at comcast.net
Sun Apr 17 16:06:12 MDT 2022


AH Spares has an accumulator and piston which uses an O-ring. It appears 
the pressure relief hole is chamfered:

https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/performance-parts/gearbox-overdrive/o-ring-conversion-accumulator-piston.aspx


On 4/17/2022 12:03 PM, Michael Salter wrote:
> Actually Bob I've never used an  "O" ringed accumulator.
> I spent a little time many years back looking into using "O" rings on 
> the accumulator but couldn't resolve the issue of the ring being 
> chaffed when passing over the radial drillings in the accumulator body.
> Does anyone know how that has been solved?
>
> M
>
> On Sun., Apr. 17, 2022, 2:49 p.m. Bob Spidell, <bspidell at comcast.net> 
> wrote:
>
>     Michael,
>
>     Sounds like you're implying the O-ringed accumulator is superior
>     to the metal ring (OEM) type? Wish I'd known about it when I
>     rebuilt my O/D (I bought the DWM 'uprated' accumulator).
>
>     I'll throw out another, very unlikely, potential cause: the cone
>     clutch could be stuck together. I've heard of this happening, but
>     have never experienced it my self--nor has anyone I know--but it's
>     theoretically possible (esp. if the clutch is excessively worn).
>     Could this be the reason the manual is adamant about replacing the
>     8 strong springs, of two lengths, that oppose the operating
>     pistons on overhaul, regardless if they still seem robust?
>
>
>     On 4/17/2022 9:31 AM, Michael Salter via Healeys wrote:
>>     Simon,
>>     Based upon your synopsis I conclude that the operating valve is
>>     NOT opening when either the solenoid lever or the setting lever
>>     is being moved to the position where the operating valve ball
>>     would normally be lifted off its seat.
>>     This conclusion is based upon your discovery that the pressure in
>>     the accumulator, as indicated on the gauge, does not leak away
>>     overnight.
>>     There is a small clearance between the operating valve push rod
>>     and the overdrive housing. If the operating valve ball was indeed
>>     lifted off its seat all the oil in the accumulator would, over
>>     time, leak past the operating rod thus discharge the accumulator.
>>     This process would indeed take some time but would certainly
>>     completely relieve most, if not all the residual accumulator
>>     pressure overnight.
>>     If however the operating valve ball is still in contact with its
>>     seat (i.e. not being lifted) the oil pressure would not reach the
>>     small clearance between the valve push rod and the housing and,
>>     other than past the accumulator rings there is nowhere for that
>>     pressure to be relieved.
>>     I would presume that Overdrive Spares installed an accumulator
>>     with an "O" ring rather than the original cast iron rings. If the
>>     original type accumulator piston was still fitted, oil would seep
>>     past the cast iron rings to relieve the pressure, albeit very
>>     slowly, and again the accumulator pressure would be discharged
>>     overnight..
>>     The cam on the operating shaft, the one which lifts the operating
>>     valve push rod and thus the operating valve ball, is locked to
>>     the shaft with a small taper pin. I would guess that the taper
>>     pin has either fallen out or sheared.
>>     Bad news is that this pin cannot be accessed without removing and
>>     disassembling the overdrive.
>>
>>     M
>>
>>     On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 1:19 PM Simon Lachlan via Healeys
>>     <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>         My OD is driving me mad and I definitely need some inspired
>>         advice. A bit of background first. I’ll try to lay out all
>>         the facts in a logical sequence. (I’m increasingly reluctant
>>         to link ODs with logic!)
>>
>>          1. I’d say that the OD has done +/- 15k miles since a total
>>             rebuild by Overdrive Spares here in UK.
>>          2. The OD had issues before Christmas (21) and was sorted
>>             out by OD Spares. The accumulator was uprated and
>>             pressure issues sorted.
>>          3. OD functioned 100% on the few times I’d been able to take
>>             it out since then until..
>>          4. One day, the OD stopped functioning.
>>          5. I checked the electrics. All fine there so I delved a bit
>>             deeper.
>>          6. It had fried its solenoid which I replaced. But…
>>          7. That did not fix the problem so…
>>          8. I decided that the operating valve’s adjustment might be
>>             off so..
>>          9. I bought a dial gauge and hoped to sort it out precisely
>>             rather than by “feel”, which I lack in this area.
>>         10. Prior to using the gauge I decided to see if the OD was
>>             functioning at all so I raised the car on stands and
>>             fitted my pressure gauge.
>>         11. I get a reading of 500psi rising a bit when I rev the
>>             engine but I’d suppose that would drop when the oil warms up.
>>         12. BUT, and this is where things go pear-shaped…moving the
>>             little lever on the RHS up and down does not
>>             engage/disengage OD. There is no change on the gauge to
>>             show OD engaging or disengaging.
>>         13. AND, the gauge stays at 500psi even when the engine is
>>             off. Moving the lever 20 times has zero effect. Stayed at
>>             500 overnight!
>>         14. Of course, I checked for dirt in the operating valve
>>             area. None.
>>         15. Likewise, the tiny hole in the “valve – operating” (the
>>             spindle thing which the ball sits on)….that’s clear. And
>>             surely, the pressure would diminish overnight if
>>             something in that area was partially obstructed?
>>         16. When I remove the pressure valve, there’s a small
>>             spillage – no more than you’d expect – but repeating the
>>             pressure gauge process only returns the same results.
>>         17. I see in the bible according to Norman Nock that “Holding
>>             this lever with your thumb and index finger, you should
>>             be able to push the lever down lightly about ⅜” until you
>>             feel a slight spring pressure resistance. The lever
>>             should go down another ¼” after encountering the
>>             resistance……” ie there’s about ⅝” movement up & down in
>>             that lever. Well, my lever does move and does lift the
>>             ball, but there’s not ⅝” movement there. Could that be
>>             the problem area???
>>         18. Almost finished…keep reading!
>>
>>         So, I’m stumped. Every time I learn something new about the
>>         OD, it has a new trick to baffle me.
>>
>>         I’ve no 100% sure way of telling whether it’s gone into OD
>>          and stuck there or whether it’s simply not going into OD at all.
>>
>>         I’ve done a lot of reading through my books and collection of
>>         advice from the various gurus and found reference to ODs
>>         being stuck but those seemed to be to do with “weak springs”
>>         which, particularly after a long lay-off, wouldn’t disengage.
>>         The cure for this being a good smack on the steel plate
>>         sandwiched in the OD from below. Well, that seems to be a
>>         stuck mechanism issue whereas I’m facing a hydraulic
>>         conundrum. Or am I?
>>
>>         There is what is usually referred to as the “pressure relief
>>         valve” adjacent to the accumulator. The name suggested that
>>         pressure might be stuck in that area….but surely not overnight?
>>
>>         Any ideas? I am particularly reluctant to take the gearbox
>>         and OD out. You’ll recall the ridiculous business of the
>>         defective clutch kit? Well, I forget whether we had the box
>>         in and out 3 times or 4. I’d hoped not to do it again so soon
>>         or ever for that matter.
>>
>>         I’m hoping for a miracle of course but some sound advice
>>         would be a godsend…………
>>
>>         Thanks,
>>
>>         Simon
>>
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