From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Wed Sep 1 08:46:48 2021 From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 15:46:48 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch Message-ID: <000601d79f40$326a7580$973f6080$@alexarevel.plus.com> You will all be as sick of hearing about my OD as I am of lying underneath it. I've decided to kick the whole thing into touch. I'll whip out the gearbox (hah!) and drive it complete up to OD Spares who will sort it out while I wait. Even if I have to wait all day. Beats making the round trip twice. Which leads me on to thinking about "what else to do when I'm in there"... The clutch is the obvious candidate. 1. I don't know how long is a piece of string, but is there a mean average duration for a clutch in terms of miles? Not driven hard, just driven. 2. I see that people quite often sell the clutch as a kit consisting in: the plate assembly, the cover and the release bearing. I thought that one replaced the latter every time one got near it and that one replaced the plate as and if needed. But - I thought - the cover is just a hunk of iron and didn't ever need replacing. Am I right in any of that?? 3. Tools..I see a great variety. In shape, design and in cost. Broadly speaking there are variations on A or B. The former seems elaborate and not suited to someone who hopes to only ever change one clutch in his life. But B is so very different from A that one wonders if it can do the same job.. Any thoughts on all or parts of the above would be very much appreciated. Now to battle with the gearbox. Oh joy.... Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: B.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 179799 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: A.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 102495 bytes Desc: not available URL: From michaelsalter at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 09:53:39 2021 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 11:53:39 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch In-Reply-To: <000601d79f40$326a7580$973f6080$@alexarevel.plus.com> References: <000601d79f40$326a7580$973f6080$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: I'll leave others to answer your questions ... ..but ... My experience has been that resurfacing the flywheel is an absolute must if you are doing any clutch work. There is nothing that contributes to clutch shudder as much as a very slight imperfection on the flywheel friction surface. M On Wed., Sep. 1, 2021, 10:52 a.m. Simon Lachlan via Healeys, < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > You will all be as sick of hearing about my OD as I am of lying underneath > it. I?ve decided to kick the whole thing into touch. I?ll whip out the > gearbox (hah!) and drive it complete up to OD Spares who will sort it out > while I wait. Even if I have to wait all day. Beats making the round trip > twice. > > Which leads me on to thinking about ?what else to do when I?m in there???. > > The clutch is the obvious candidate. > > 1. I don?t know how long is a piece of string, but is there a mean > average duration for a clutch in terms of miles? Not driven hard, just > driven. > 2. I see that people quite often sell the clutch as a kit consisting > in: the plate assembly, the cover and the release bearing. I thought that > one replaced the latter *every time* one got near it and that one > replaced the plate *as and if needed*. But ? I thought ? the cover is > just a hunk of iron and *didn?t ever need replacing*. Am I right in > *any* of that?? > 3. Tools?.I see a great variety. In shape, design and in cost. Broadly > speaking there are variations on A or B. The former seems elaborate and not > suited to someone who hopes to only ever change one clutch in his life. But > B is so very different from A that one wonders if it can do the same job?? > > Any thoughts on all or parts of the above would be very much > appreciated. > > > > > Now to battle with the gearbox. Oh joy??.. > > Simon > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Wed Sep 1 09:55:05 2021 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 08:55:05 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch In-Reply-To: <000601d79f40$326a7580$973f6080$@alexarevel.plus.com> References: <000601d79f40$326a7580$973f6080$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: We're not sick of hearing your troubles, Simon. We all learn from others' problems and solutions. Please keep us informed. As for clutch longevity, there are several significant variables: (your) location, type of driving, driving style, etc. For example, if you DD your car in San Francisco, I wouldn't expect a clutch to last 50K miles, if that long. If you mostly drive highway miles, I think 100K is easily doable; I traded my '08 Mustang in at 124K miles with original clutch /and/ brakes. Although I've been driving manual cars for over 50? years, I still don't feel I've 'mastered' them (like landings in an aircraft). Dump the clutch too quickly and you'll increase longevity--if you don't break anything--at the expense of smoothness, be very delicate and slip it too much and you won't get 'normal' longevity. Actually, IMO Healeys are relatively easier to drive well, a properly set-up clutch with a Healey's torque makes smooth starts easier; my '19 Mustang is high-strung by comparison and I still manage to stall it occasionally. The release bearing can be problematic as, unlike a true bearing it's a known wear item. I heard a while back there were some low quality parts going around that failed within a few thousand miles. I'd say if it's more than one-third worn--anyone know the original thickness of the graphite?--I'd replace it (again, depending on driving circumstances). Last time I had my BJ8's gearbox out I didn't replace it, as the bearing appeared to be holding up and I mostly drive highway miles in it. As for the disk and cover plate, unless they're almost new that's an automatic replace, along with the spigot/pilot bush. If fairly new, I believe the cover can be turned--like brake rotors--but I'd probably install a new disk regardless. With Healeys, with no rear main seal oil on the disk will cause nasty judder, so any oil or burn spots is automatic reject. If the cover plate disk has any bluish burn spots I'd likely chuck it. Alignment tools are handy, but if you're mating the engine and gearbox on the bench you can use the first motion shaft. Bob On 9/1/2021 7:46 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote: > > You will all be as sick of hearing about my OD as I am of lying > underneath it. I?ve decided to kick the whole thing into touch. I?ll > whip out the gearbox (hah!) and drive it complete up to OD Spares who > will sort it out while I wait. Even if I have to wait all day. Beats > making the round trip twice. > > Which leads me on to thinking about ?what else to do when I?m in there???. > > The clutch is the obvious candidate. > > 1. I don?t know how long is a piece of string, but is there a mean > average duration for a clutch in terms of miles? Not driven hard, > just driven. > 2. I see that people quite often sell the clutch as a kit consisting > in: the plate assembly, the cover and the release bearing. I > thought that one replaced the latter *every time* one got near it > and that one replaced the plate *as and if needed*. But ? I > thought ? the cover is just a hunk of iron and *didn?t ever need > replacing*. Am I right in *any* of that?? > 3. Tools?.I see a great variety. In shape, design and in cost. > Broadly speaking there are variations on A or B. The former seems > elaborate and not suited to someone who hopes to only ever change > one clutch in his life. But B is so very different from A that one > wonders if it can do the same job?? > > Any thoughts on all or parts of the above would be very much appreciated. > > Now to battle with the gearbox. Oh joy??.. > > Simon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From manifold at telus.net Wed Sep 1 10:09:10 2021 From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 09:09:10 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Simon, Given the effort to remove the gearbox it is a good idea to change the clutch as a maintenance item rather than waiting for a failure. Michael?s advise is good - resurface the flywheel. Check for any oil leaks from either the transmission or engine that could foul the clutch. These should be addressed. Since you are on the other side of the pond I suggest purchasing a clutch kit from AH Spares along with their inexpensive alignment tool. Harold > On Sep 1, 2021, at 8:54 AM, Michael Salter wrote: > > ? > I'll leave others to answer your questions ... ..but ... > My experience has been that resurfacing the flywheel is an absolute must if you are doing any clutch work. > There is nothing that contributes to clutch shudder as much as a very slight imperfection on the flywheel friction surface. > > M > >> On Wed., Sep. 1, 2021, 10:52 a.m. Simon Lachlan via Healeys, wrote: >> You will all be as sick of hearing about my OD as I am of lying underneath it. I?ve decided to kick the whole thing into touch. I?ll whip out the gearbox (hah!) and drive it complete up to OD Spares who will sort it out while I wait. Even if I have to wait all day. Beats making the round trip twice. >> >> Which leads me on to thinking about ?what else to do when I?m in there???. >> >> The clutch is the obvious candidate. >> >> I don?t know how long is a piece of string, but is there a mean average duration for a clutch in terms of miles? Not driven hard, just driven. >> I see that people quite often sell the clutch as a kit consisting in: the plate assembly, the cover and the release bearing. I thought that one replaced the latter every time one got near it and that one replaced the plate as and if needed. But ? I thought ? the cover is just a hunk of iron and didn?t ever need replacing. Am I right in any of that?? >> Tools?.I see a great variety. In shape, design and in cost. Broadly speaking there are variations on A or B. The former seems elaborate and not suited to someone who hopes to only ever change one clutch in his life. But B is so very different from A that one wonders if it can do the same job?? >> Any thoughts on all or parts of the above would be very much appreciated. >> >> >> >> Now to battle with the gearbox. Oh joy??.. >> >> Simon >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/manifold at telus.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbyers at ec.rr.com Wed Sep 1 13:01:11 2021 From: sbyers at ec.rr.com (BJ8Healeys) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 15:01:11 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch In-Reply-To: References: <000601d79f40$326a7580$973f6080$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: <01a601d79f63$bbd24fa0$3376eee0$@rr.com> In January 2014, I removed the gearbox and overdrive from my BJ8 to fix a problem with the O/D slipping (low oil pressure) and a bad clutch judder in reverse that I had put up with for too long. I replaced the clutch release bearing for convenience and because I already had the new one in hand. The new bearing carbon block from Moss Motors measured 10/32" thick. The old one (also Moss Motors, installed September 1997) measured 9/32". That was only 1/32" wear in 80,534 miles, but mostly long-distance ones. A photo of the old clutch disc is attached. Steve Byers HBJ8L/36666 BJ8 Registry AHCA Delegate at Large Havelock, NC USA From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Spidell Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 11:55 AM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch As for clutch longevity, there are several significant variables: (your) location, type of driving, driving style, etc. For example, if you DD your car in San Francisco, I wouldn't expect a clutch to last 50K miles, if that long. If you mostly drive highway miles, I think 100K is easily doable; I traded my '08 Mustang in at 124K miles with original clutch and brakes. Although I've been driving manual cars for over 50 years, I still don't feel I've 'mastered' them (like landings in an aircraft). Dump the clutch too quickly and you'll increase longevity--if you don't break anything--at the expense of smoothness, be very delicate and slip it too much and you won't get 'normal' longevity. Actually, IMO Healeys are relatively easier to drive well, a properly set-up clutch with a Healey's torque makes smooth starts easier; my '19 Mustang is high-strung by comparison and I still manage to stall it occasionally. The release bearing can be problematic as, unlike a true bearing it's a known wear item. I heard a while back there were some low quality parts going around that failed within a few thousand miles. I'd say if it's more than one-third worn--anyone know the original thickness of the graphite?--I'd replace it (again, depending on driving circumstances). Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Clutch disc.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 105170 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Tomfelts at windstream.net Wed Sep 1 14:00:07 2021 From: Tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 16:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Healeys] Clutch In-Reply-To: <01a601d79f63$bbd24fa0$3376eee0$@rr.com> References: <000601d79f40$326a7580$973f6080$@alexarevel.plus.com> <01a601d79f63$bbd24fa0$3376eee0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <369827239.231846800.1630526407613.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> I currently have my BJ8 tranny out. I have had the OD completely completely rebuilt and having a few well worn tranny components replaced. The worst part of taking out the tranny and rebuilding is getting the old pilot bush out and a new one installed. If anyone thinks the Healey clutch is a tough job, I invite you to replace clutch components in an E Type. The engine must be pulled with all that has to be disconnected. I'm in the process of removing mine now. That carbon TO bearing rubbed itself down to metal:):) ----- Original Message ----- From: BJ8Healeys via Healeys To: healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 01 Sep 2021 15:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch In January 2014, I removed the gearbox and overdrive from my BJ8 to fix a problem with the O/D slipping (low oil pressure) and a bad clutch judder in reverse that I had put up with for too long. I replaced the clutch release bearing for convenience and because I already had the new one in hand. The new bearing carbon block from Moss Motors measured 10/32" thick. The old one (also Moss Motors, installed September 1997) measured 9/32". That was only 1/32" wear in 80,534 miles, but mostly long-distance ones. A photo of the old clutch disc is attached. Steve Byers HBJ8L/36666 BJ8 Registry AHCA Delegate at Large Havelock, NC USA From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Spidell Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 11:55 AM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch As for clutch longevity, there are several significant variables: (your) location, type of driving, driving style, etc. For example, if you DD your car in San Francisco, I wouldn't expect a clutch to last 50K miles, if that long. If you mostly drive highway miles, I think 100K is easily doable; I traded my '08 Mustang in at 124K miles with original clutch and brakes. Although I've been driving manual cars for over 50 years, I still don't feel I've 'mastered' them (like landings in an aircraft). Dump the clutch too quickly and you'll increase longevity--if you don't break anything--at the expense of smoothness, be very delicate and slip it too much and you won't get 'normal' longevity. Actually, IMO Healeys are relatively easier to drive well, a properly set-up clutch with a Healey's torque makes smooth starts easier; my '19 Mustang is high-strung by comparison and I still manage to stall it occasionally. The release bearing can be problematic as, unlike a true bearing it's a known wear item. I heard a while back there were some low quality parts going around that failed within a few thousand miles. I'd say if it's more than one-third worn--anyone know the original thickness of the graphite?--I'd replace it (again, depending on driving circumstances). Bob From bspidell at comcast.net Wed Sep 1 18:07:10 2021 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 17:07:10 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch In-Reply-To: <01a601d79f63$bbd24fa0$3376eee0$@rr.com> References: <000601d79f40$326a7580$973f6080$@alexarevel.plus.com> <01a601d79f63$bbd24fa0$3376eee0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <16cf3fd2-a18b-58d0-1c37-4b5f9885d214@comcast.net> Thanks, Steve. Thanks to that release bearing design I got into the habit of shifting into neutral at stoplights (instead of just holding the clutch pedal down). I think it's a good habit overall--issues getting back into first notwithstanding--as I've had my foot slip off the pedal on occasion. On 9/1/2021 12:01 PM, BJ8Healeys via Healeys wrote: > > In January 2014, I removed the gearbox and overdrive from my BJ8 to > fix a problem with the O/D slipping (low oil pressure) and a bad > clutch judder in reverse that I had put up with for too long. > > I replaced the clutch release bearing for convenience and because I > already had the new one in hand.? The new bearing carbon block from > Moss Motors measured 10/32? thick. The old one (also Moss Motors, > installed September 1997) measured 9/32?. That was only 1/32? wear in > 80,534 miles, but mostly long-distance ones. A photo of the old clutch > disc is attached. > > Steve Byers > > HBJ8L/36666 > > BJ8 Registry > > AHCA Delegate at Large > > Havelock, NC USA > > *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of > *Bob Spidell > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 1, 2021 11:55 AM > *To:* healeys at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Clutch > > As for clutch longevity, there are several significant variables: > (your) location, type of driving, driving style, etc. For example, if > you DD your car in San Francisco, I wouldn't expect a clutch to last > 50K miles, if that long. If you mostly drive highway miles, I think > 100K is easily doable; I traded my '08 Mustang in at 124K miles with > original clutch /and/ brakes. Although I've been driving manual cars > for over 50? years, I still don't feel I've 'mastered' them (like > landings in an aircraft). Dump the clutch too quickly and you'll > increase longevity--if you don't break anything--at the expense of > smoothness, be very delicate and slip it too much and you won't get > 'normal' longevity. Actually, IMO Healeys are relatively easier to > drive well, a properly set-up clutch with a Healey's torque makes > smooth starts easier; my '19 Mustang is high-strung by comparison and > I still manage to stall it occasionally. > > The release bearing can be problematic as, unlike a true bearing it's > a known wear item. I heard a while back there were some low quality > parts going around that failed within a few thousand miles. I'd say if > it's more than one-third worn--anyone know the original thickness of > the graphite?--I'd replace it (again, depending on driving > circumstances). > Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bspidell at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From watterbury at yahoo.com Wed Sep 1 18:18:23 2021 From: watterbury at yahoo.com (William Atterbury) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 20:18:23 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Anytime I?ve had the gearbox out I replace the clutch, pressure plate and throw up bearing. Resurfacing the flywheel is common, but ask the machine shop. Usually, there is checking, gouges, grooves or discoloration that say ?please reface me?. From ahbn6 at verizon.net Wed Sep 1 18:28:10 2021 From: ahbn6 at verizon.net (John Sims) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 00:28:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Healeys] Clutch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1747144186.2044593.1630542490758@mail.yahoo.com> All this talk about working on the OD and?clutch?makes it important to install a remote bleeder for the clutch at reinstallation John Sims http://www.healey6.com Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS On Wednesday, September 1, 2021, 8:22 PM, William Atterbury via Healeys wrote: Anytime I?ve had the gearbox out I replace the clutch, pressure plate and throw up bearing.? Resurfacing the flywheel is common, but ask the machine shop.? Usually, there is checking, gouges, grooves or discoloration that say ?please reface me?. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ahbn6 at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbyers at ec.rr.com Wed Sep 1 18:31:30 2021 From: sbyers at ec.rr.com (BJ8Healeys) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 20:31:30 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch In-Reply-To: <16cf3fd2-a18b-58d0-1c37-4b5f9885d214@comcast.net> References: <000601d79f40$326a7580$973f6080$@alexarevel.plus.com> <01a601d79f63$bbd24fa0$3376eee0$@rr.com> <16cf3fd2-a18b-58d0-1c37-4b5f9885d214@comcast.net> Message-ID: <01ea01d79f91$e030d550$a0927ff0$@rr.com> When I was learning to drive in a manual transmission car, my dad emphasized to NEVER hold the clutch down while stopped at a light, etc. That's a lesson I learned well. No sense wearing out the bearing for no good reason. msb From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Spidell via Healeys Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 8:07 PM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch Thanks, Steve. Thanks to that release bearing design I got into the habit of shifting into neutral at stoplights (instead of just holding the clutch pedal down). I think it's a good habit overall--issues getting back into first notwithstanding--as I've had my foot slip off the pedal on occasion. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 1 23:47:52 2021 From: jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net (John Spaur) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 22:47:52 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch In-Reply-To: <000601d79f40$326a7580$973f6080$@alexarevel.plus.com> References: <000601d79f40$326a7580$973f6080$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: <00e001d79fbe$1290ef90$37b2ceb0$@sbcglobal.net> With all the chatter about the throw out bearing I am surprised no one has mentioned the Denis Welch replacement. One caveat is you have to permanently modify the cover plate by removing the center pad. The carbon throw out bearing always seemed odd to me but I have no knowledge of why it was designed that way. Could it have been state-of-the-art back in the day? https://www.bighealey.co.uk/austin-healey/clutch-1 John BT7 with a DW throw out bearing. From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Simon Lachlan via Healeys Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 7:47 AM To: 'Healeys' Subject: [Healeys] Clutch You will all be as sick of hearing about my OD as I am of lying underneath it. I've decided to kick the whole thing into touch. I'll whip out the gearbox (hah!) and drive it complete up to OD Spares who will sort it out while I wait. Even if I have to wait all day. Beats making the round trip twice. Which leads me on to thinking about "what else to do when I'm in there"... The clutch is the obvious candidate. 1) I don't know how long is a piece of string, but is there a mean average duration for a clutch in terms of miles? Not driven hard, just driven. 2) I see that people quite often sell the clutch as a kit consisting in: the plate assembly, the cover and the release bearing. I thought that one replaced the latter every time one got near it and that one replaced the plate as and if needed. But - I thought - the cover is just a hunk of iron and didn't ever need replacing. Am I right in any of that?? 3) Tools..I see a great variety. In shape, design and in cost. Broadly speaking there are variations on A or B. The former seems elaborate and not suited to someone who hopes to only ever change one clutch in his life. But B is so very different from A that one wonders if it can do the same job.. Any thoughts on all or parts of the above would be very much appreciated. Now to battle with the gearbox. Oh joy.... Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelsalter at gmail.com Thu Sep 2 01:26:31 2021 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 03:26:31 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch In-Reply-To: <00e001d79fbe$1290ef90$37b2ceb0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <000601d79f40$326a7580$973f6080$@alexarevel.plus.com> <00e001d79fbe$1290ef90$37b2ceb0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: The DW release bearing looks to me to be an adaptation of what is used in the TR6. My experience with those has not been good. Back in the day we used to replace lots of TR6 pressure plates because the bearing had tightened up and then worn off the pressure plate fingers. If you must modify the clutch operating system the go whole hog and fit a concentric slave cylinder Lots of work but bullet proof. I fitted one to AHX12 about 18 years back after the Toyota 4 speed type failed in Newfoundland. M On Thu., Sep. 2, 2021, 1:56 a.m. John Spaur via Healeys, < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > With all the chatter about the throw out bearing I am surprised no one has > mentioned the Denis Welch replacement. One caveat is you have to > permanently modify the cover plate by removing the center pad. The carbon > throw out bearing always seemed odd to me but I have no knowledge of why it > was designed that way. Could it have been state-of-the-art back in the day? > > > > https://www.bighealey.co.uk/austin-healey/clutch-1 > > > > John > > BT7 with a DW throw out bearing. > > > > *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Simon > Lachlan via Healeys > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 1, 2021 7:47 AM > *To:* 'Healeys' > *Subject:* [Healeys] Clutch > > > > You will all be as sick of hearing about my OD as I am of lying underneath > it. I?ve decided to kick the whole thing into touch. I?ll whip out the > gearbox (hah!) and drive it complete up to OD Spares who will sort it out > while I wait. Even if I have to wait all day. Beats making the round trip > twice. > > Which leads me on to thinking about ?what else to do when I?m in there???. > > The clutch is the obvious candidate. > > 1) I don?t know how long is a piece of string, but is there a mean > average duration for a clutch in terms of miles? Not driven hard, just > driven. > > 2) I see that people quite often sell the clutch as a kit consisting > in: the plate assembly, the cover and the release bearing. I thought that > one replaced the latter *every time* one got near it and that one > replaced the plate *as and if needed*. But ? I thought ? the cover is > just a hunk of iron and *didn?t ever need replacing*. Am I right in *any* > of that?? > > 3) Tools?.I see a great variety. In shape, design and in cost. > Broadly speaking there are variations on A or B. The former seems elaborate > and not suited to someone who hopes to only ever change one clutch in his > life. But B is so very different from A that one wonders if it can do the > same job?? > > Any thoughts on all or parts of the above would be very much > appreciated. > > > > > Now to battle with the gearbox. Oh joy??.. > > Simon > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelsalter at gmail.com Thu Sep 2 01:34:55 2021 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 03:34:55 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch In-Reply-To: References: <000601d79f40$326a7580$973f6080$@alexarevel.plus.com> <00e001d79fbe$1290ef90$37b2ceb0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Oops ... that didn't work. Try this link. https://partsavatar.ca/1987-1989-jeep-truck-wrangler-clutch-slave-cylinder-luk-lsc269?gclid=Cj0KCQjw7MGJBhD-ARIsAMZ0eevNsGm68w4v26G0P58mzaqIfHNfkTpz1l_PaRyJoe2-CRJhy3JQ44caAvh7EALw_wcB M On Thu., Sep. 2, 2021, 3:26 a.m. Michael Salter, wrote: > The DW release bearing looks to me to be an adaptation of what is used in > the TR6. > My experience with those has not been good. Back in the day we used to > replace lots of TR6 pressure plates because the bearing had tightened up > and then worn off the pressure plate fingers. > If you must modify the clutch operating system the go whole hog and fit a > concentric slave cylinder > 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URL: From josef-eckert at t-online.de Thu Sep 2 01:50:57 2021 From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 09:50:57 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Healeys] Clutch In-Reply-To: <1747144186.2044593.1630542490758@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1747144186.2044593.1630542490758@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1630569057453.146008.1bb6f29d412ffc8da89d9740d107a5efcfd205b1@spica.telekom.de> There is no need to bleed the clutch, when taking the tranny out. Just disconnect the slave cylinder from the bellhousing. Josef Eckert -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Clutch Datum: 2021-09-02T02:29:31+0200 Von: "John Sims via Healeys" An: "William Atterbury" , "healeys at autox.team.net" All this talk about working on the OD and clutch makes it important to install a remote bleeder for the clutch at reinstallation John Sims Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS On Wednesday, September 1, 2021, 8:22 PM, William Atterbury via Healeys wrote: Anytime I?ve had the gearbox out I replace the clutch, pressure plate and throw up bearing. Resurfacing the flywheel is common, but ask the machine shop. Usually, there is checking, gouges, grooves or discoloration that say ?please reface me?. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys Healeys at autox.team.net Unsubscribe/Manage: ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rchaskell at earthlink.net Thu Sep 2 14:03:21 2021 From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 16:03:21 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] SU Rebuilders Message-ID: <45854522-3f10-513e-becd-b7d7ca4ba4c2@earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz Thu Sep 2 16:22:58 2021 From: ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz (Mark Donaldson) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 10:22:58 +1200 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch In-Reply-To: <369827239.231846800.1630526407613.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> References: <000601d79f40$326a7580$973f6080$@alexarevel.plus.com> <01a601d79f63$bbd24fa0$3376eee0$@rr.com> <369827239.231846800.1630526407613.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> Message-ID: <000201d7a049$177d1890$467749b0$@xtra.co.nz> Tom, In cases like this I have used the old engineers? trick to ?hydraulic? the pilot bearing out. Fill the cavity behind the bearing with oil, insert a ?? OD drift into the bearing, give it a solid belt with a hammer, and it SHOULD pop out. This procedure has never failed me. I say SHOULD, as it may not have worked for you. And don?t wear a good shirt whilst doing this. ? Mark Ardmore, NZ -----Original Message----- From: Tom Felts Sent: Thursday, 2 September 2021 8:00 AM To: BJ8Healeys Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch I currently have my BJ8 tranny out. I have had the OD completely completely rebuilt and having a few well worn tranny components replaced. The worst part of taking out the tranny and rebuilding is getting the old pilot bush out and a new one installed. If anyone thinks the Healey clutch is a tough job, I invite you to replace clutch components in an E Type. The engine must be pulled with all that has to be disconnected. I'm in the process of removing mine now. That carbon TO bearing rubbed itself down to metal:):) ----- Original Message ----- From: BJ8Healeys via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> To: healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 01 Sep 2021 15:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch In January 2014, I removed the gearbox and overdrive from my BJ8 to fix a problem with the O/D slipping (low oil pressure) and a bad clutch judder in reverse that I had put up with for too long. I replaced the clutch release bearing for convenience and because I already had the new one in hand. The new bearing carbon block from Moss Motors measured 10/32" thick. The old one (also Moss Motors, installed September 1997) measured 9/32". That was only 1/32" wear in 80,534 miles, but mostly long-distance ones. A photo of the old clutch disc is attached. Steve Byers HBJ8L/36666 BJ8 Registry AHCA Delegate at Large Havelock, NC USA From: Healeys [ mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Spidell Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 11:55 AM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch As for clutch longevity, there are several significant variables: (your) location, type of driving, driving style, etc. For example, if you DD your car in San Francisco, I wouldn't expect a clutch to last 50K miles, if that long. If you mostly drive highway miles, I think 100K is easily doable; I traded my '08 Mustang in at 124K miles with original clutch and brakes. Although I've been driving manual cars for over 50 years, I still don't feel I've 'mastered' them (like landings in an aircraft). Dump the clutch too quickly and you'll increase longevity--if you don't break anything--at the expense of smoothness, be very delicate and slip it too much and you won't get 'normal' longevity. Actually, IMO Healeys are relatively easier to drive well, a properly set-up clutch with a Healey's torque makes smooth starts easier; my '19 Mustang is high-strung by comparison and I still manage to stall it occasionally. The release bearing can be problematic as, unlike a true bearing it's a known wear item. I heard a while back there were some low quality parts going around that failed within a few thousand miles. I'd say if it's more than one-third worn--anyone know the original thickness of the graphite?--I'd replace it (again, depending on driving circumstances). Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.fawcett at cox.net Thu Sep 2 16:45:21 2021 From: m.fawcett at cox.net (Mark Fawcett) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 15:45:21 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch In-Reply-To: <000201d7a049$177d1890$467749b0$@xtra.co.nz> References: <000601d79f40$326a7580$973f6080$@alexarevel.plus.com> <01a601d79f63$bbd24fa0$3376eee0$@rr.com> <369827239.231846800.1630526407613.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> <000201d7a049$177d1890$467749b0$@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: I used grease. Mark Fawcett On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 3:25 PM Mark Donaldson via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Tom, > > > > In cases like this I have used the old engineers? trick to *?hydraulic?* > the pilot bearing out. > > Fill the cavity behind the bearing with oil, insert a ?? OD drift into the > bearing, give it a solid belt with a hammer, and it SHOULD pop out. > > This procedure has never failed me. I say SHOULD, as it may not have > worked for you. > > And don?t wear a good shirt whilst doing this. ? > > > > Mark > > Ardmore, NZ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Felts > Sent: Thursday, 2 September 2021 8:00 AM > To: BJ8Healeys > Cc: healeys at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch > > > > I currently have my BJ8 tranny out. I have had the OD completely > completely rebuilt and having a few well worn tranny components replaced. The > worst part of taking out the tranny and rebuilding is getting the old pilot > bush out and a new one installed. If anyone thinks the Healey clutch is > a tough job, I invite you to replace clutch components in an E Type. The > engine must be pulled with all that has to be disconnected. I'm in the > process of removing mine now. That carbon TO bearing rubbed itself down to > metal:):) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: BJ8Healeys via Healeys > > To: healeys at autox.team.net > > Sent: Wed, 01 Sep 2021 15:01:11 -0400 (EDT) > > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch > > > > In January 2014, I removed the gearbox and overdrive from my BJ8 to fix a > problem with the O/D slipping (low oil pressure) and a bad clutch judder in > reverse that I had put up with for too long. > > > > I replaced the clutch release bearing for convenience and because I > already had the new one in hand. The new bearing carbon block from Moss > Motors measured 10/32" thick. The old one (also Moss Motors, installed > September > > 1997) measured 9/32". That was only 1/32" wear in 80,534 miles, but > mostly > > long-distance ones. A photo of the old clutch disc is attached. > > > > > > Steve Byers > > > > HBJ8L/36666 > > > > BJ8 Registry > > > > AHCA Delegate at Large > > > > Havelock, NC USA > > > > > > From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net > ] On Behalf Of Bob Spidell > > Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 11:55 AM > > To: healeys at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch > > > > > > As for clutch longevity, there are several significant variables: (your) > location, type of driving, driving style, etc. For example, if you DD your > car in San Francisco, I wouldn't expect a clutch to last 50K miles, if that > long. If you mostly drive highway miles, I think 100K is easily doable; I > traded my '08 Mustang in at 124K miles with original clutch and brakes. > > Although I've been driving manual cars for over 50 years, I still don't > feel I've 'mastered' them (like landings in an aircraft). Dump the clutch > too quickly and you'll increase longevity--if you don't break anything--at > the expense of smoothness, be very delicate and slip it too much and you > won't get 'normal' longevity. Actually, IMO Healeys are relatively easier > to drive well, a properly set-up clutch with a Healey's torque makes smooth > starts easier; my '19 Mustang is high-strung by comparison and I still > manage to stall it occasionally. > > > > The release bearing can be problematic as, unlike a true bearing it's a > known wear item. I heard a while back there were some low quality parts > going around that failed within a few thousand miles. I'd say if it's more > than one-third worn--anyone know the original thickness of the > graphite?--I'd replace it (again, depending on driving circumstances). > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/m.fawcett at cox.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz Thu Sep 2 17:53:17 2021 From: ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz (Mark Donaldson) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 11:53:17 +1200 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch In-Reply-To: References: <000601d79f40$326a7580$973f6080$@alexarevel.plus.com> <01a601d79f63$bbd24fa0$3376eee0$@rr.com> <369827239.231846800.1630526407613.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> <000201d7a049$177d1890$467749b0$@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <000801d7a055$b51c15e0$1f5441a0$@xtra.co.nz> Come to think of it, I DID use grease (not oil) on the pilot bearing . . . but I have used oil on smaller bearings. Mark Ardmore, NZ From: Mark Fawcett Sent: Friday, 3 September 2021 10:45 AM To: Mark Donaldson Cc: Tom Felts ; Healey List Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch I used grease. Mark Fawcett On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 3:25 PM Mark Donaldson via Healeys > wrote: Tom, In cases like this I have used the old engineers? trick to ?hydraulic? the pilot bearing out. Fill the cavity behind the bearing with oil, insert a ?? OD drift into the bearing, give it a solid belt with a hammer, and it SHOULD pop out. This procedure has never failed me. I say SHOULD, as it may not have worked for you. And don?t wear a good shirt whilst doing this. ? Mark Ardmore, NZ -----Original Message----- From: Tom Felts > Sent: Thursday, 2 September 2021 8:00 AM To: BJ8Healeys > Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch I currently have my BJ8 tranny out. I have had the OD completely completely rebuilt and having a few well worn tranny components replaced. The worst part of taking out the tranny and rebuilding is getting the old pilot bush out and a new one installed. If anyone thinks the Healey clutch is a tough job, I invite you to replace clutch components in an E Type. The engine must be pulled with all that has to be disconnected. I'm in the process of removing mine now. That carbon TO bearing rubbed itself down to metal:):) ----- Original Message ----- From: BJ8Healeys via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> To: healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 01 Sep 2021 15:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch In January 2014, I removed the gearbox and overdrive from my BJ8 to fix a problem with the O/D slipping (low oil pressure) and a bad clutch judder in reverse that I had put up with for too long. I replaced the clutch release bearing for convenience and because I already had the new one in hand. The new bearing carbon block from Moss Motors measured 10/32" thick. The old one (also Moss Motors, installed September 1997) measured 9/32". That was only 1/32" wear in 80,534 miles, but mostly long-distance ones. A photo of the old clutch disc is attached. Steve Byers HBJ8L/36666 BJ8 Registry AHCA Delegate at Large Havelock, NC USA From: Healeys [ mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Spidell Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 11:55 AM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch As for clutch longevity, there are several significant variables: (your) location, type of driving, driving style, etc. For example, if you DD your car in San Francisco, I wouldn't expect a clutch to last 50K miles, if that long. If you mostly drive highway miles, I think 100K is easily doable; I traded my '08 Mustang in at 124K miles with original clutch and brakes. Although I've been driving manual cars for over 50 years, I still don't feel I've 'mastered' them (like landings in an aircraft). Dump the clutch too quickly and you'll increase longevity--if you don't break anything--at the expense of smoothness, be very delicate and slip it too much and you won't get 'normal' longevity. Actually, IMO Healeys are relatively easier to drive well, a properly set-up clutch with a Healey's torque makes smooth starts easier; my '19 Mustang is high-strung by comparison and I still manage to stall it occasionally. The release bearing can be problematic as, unlike a true bearing it's a known wear item. I heard a while back there were some low quality parts going around that failed within a few thousand miles. I'd say if it's more than one-third worn--anyone know the original thickness of the graphite?--I'd replace it (again, depending on driving circumstances). Bob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/m.fawcett at cox.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Fri Sep 3 05:07:55 2021 From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 12:07:55 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch removal Message-ID: <000001d7a0b3$f34451d0$d9ccf570$@alexarevel.plus.com> Thank you all for your interesting replies and comments. The saga continues. 1) The OD is on the workshop/garage floor thanks mainly to my son-in-law who is that most useful thing, a VERY strong and willing assistant in heavy matters. 2) The gearbox and OD are going "oop north" on Monday. (Get up at 04:00 to be at OD Spares for 08:30). 3) That part of the UK contains the majority of car-related things, places, suppliers, workshops etc in the UK. For example, AH Spares, Ahead4Healeys and JME Healeys are 13, 3 & 21 miles from OD Spares respectively. Now, I'm almost certainly going to buy the 3-part kit that consists of clutch, cover and bearing. I want to take the old assembly out and take it up with me for assessment. Just in case any of it's OK. (It'll have to be very OK for it not to be recycled). Q1) Right now, I've looked at the manual which suggests that one removes the cover first. Surely that's not necessary if one's going to remove the whole issue? Q2) I'm faced with 6 bolts, none of which want to turn. They've been there for my 25 years and who knows how long before that...When I put any torque(?) into turning them, the engine rotates and whatever effort I'm putting out is absorbed by the engine's rotation. Fair enough. I propose to take off the sump cover and jam the engine with a big chunk of timber. And then try again. The oil is dripping out as I type. Is there a better way of doing this?? Some clever trick that enable one to get these nuts off?? Thanks, Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rchaskell at earthlink.net Fri Sep 3 05:41:40 2021 From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 07:41:40 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch removal In-Reply-To: <000001d7a0b3$f34451d0$d9ccf570$@alexarevel.plus.com> References: <000001d7a0b3$f34451d0$d9ccf570$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: <642e78d1-73e9-4f29-255b-1bb1d6998e51@earthlink.net> Simon, Starter out?? Use a large, flat blade screw driver, through the starter opening in the back plate, between the ring gear teeth. Cheers, Bob Haskell Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar On 9/3/21 7:07 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote: > > Thank you all for your interesting replies and comments. > > The saga continues. > > 1) The OD is on the workshop/garage floor thanks mainly to my > son-in-law who is that most useful thing, a VERY strong and willing > assistant in heavy matters. > > 2) The gearbox and OD are going ?oop north? on Monday. (Get up at > 04:00 to be at OD Spares for 08:30). > > 3) That part of the UK contains the majority of car-related things, > places, suppliers, workshops etc in the UK. ?For example, AH Spares, > Ahead4Healeys and JME Healeys are 13, 3 & 21 miles from OD Spares > respectively. > > Now, I?m almost certainly going to buy the 3-part kit that consists of > clutch, cover and bearing. I want to take the old assembly out and > take it up with me for assessment. Just in case any of it?s OK. (It?ll > have to be very OK for it not to be recycled). > > Q1) Right now, I?ve looked at the manual which suggests that one > removes the cover first. Surely that?s not necessary if one?s going to > remove the whole issue? > > Q2) I?m faced with 6 bolts, none of which want to turn. They?ve been > there for my 25 years and who knows how long before that??.When I put > any torque(?) into turning them, the engine rotates and whatever > effort I?m putting out is absorbed by the engine?s rotation. Fair > enough. I propose to take off the sump cover and jam the engine with a > big chunk of timber. And then try again. The oil is dripping out as I > type. Is there a better way of doing this?? Some clever trick that > enable one to get these nuts off?? > > Thanks, Simon > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net > From michaelsalter at gmail.com Fri Sep 3 06:11:21 2021 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 08:11:21 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch removal In-Reply-To: <000001d7a0b3$f34451d0$d9ccf570$@alexarevel.plus.com> References: <000001d7a0b3$f34451d0$d9ccf570$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: Impact gun .. probably the least likely to break them. M On Fri., Sep. 3, 2021, 7:08 a.m. Simon Lachlan via Healeys, < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Thank you all for your interesting replies and comments. > > The saga continues. > > 1) The OD is on the workshop/garage floor thanks mainly to my son-in-law > who is that most useful thing, a VERY strong and willing assistant in heavy > matters. > > 2) The gearbox and OD are going ?oop north? on Monday. (Get up at 04:00 to > be at OD Spares for 08:30). > > 3) That part of the UK contains the majority of car-related things, > places, suppliers, workshops etc in the UK. For example, AH Spares, > Ahead4Healeys and JME Healeys are 13, 3 & 21 miles from OD Spares > respectively. > > Now, I?m almost certainly going to buy the 3-part kit that consists of > clutch, cover and bearing. I want to take the old assembly out and take it > up with me for assessment. Just in case any of it?s OK. (It?ll have to be > very OK for it not to be recycled). > > Q1) Right now, I?ve looked at the manual which suggests that one removes > the cover first. Surely that?s not necessary if one?s going to remove the > whole issue? > > Q2) I?m faced with 6 bolts, none of which want to turn. They?ve been there > for my 25 years and who knows how long before that??.When I put any > torque(?) into turning them, the engine rotates and whatever effort I?m > putting out is absorbed by the engine?s rotation. Fair enough. I propose to > take off the sump cover and jam the engine with a big chunk of timber. And > then try again. The oil is dripping out as I type. Is there a better way of > doing this?? Some clever trick that enable one to get these nuts off?? > > Thanks, Simon > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Fri Sep 3 07:02:43 2021 From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 14:02:43 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch removal done. Message-ID: <000c01d7a0c3$fcb0efc0$f612cf40$@alexarevel.plus.com> I have a most obliging friend who runs a garage about 100yds from our house. I wandered down to pick his brains. He laughed when I suggested jamming the engine with wood and produced a very clever little item. See attached. Bolts to back plate of engine and, meshed with the flywheel, holds it still. If I?d had to exert a lot of pressure on the bar to start the bolts moving, I think I?d have stopped. Didn?t want to lose a tooth. And, yes, an impact gun was the next step. A very clever item indeed. I?d buy one except I hope never to do this job again. (About ?13:50 on UK eBay). Hope springs eternal. But a good result and thanks for the all the advice. Simon. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: For Holding Flywheel 1.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 468313 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: For Holding Flywheel 2.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 824414 bytes Desc: not available URL: From airtightproductions at icloud.com Fri Sep 3 09:28:06 2021 From: airtightproductions at icloud.com (Steven Kingsbury) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2021 15:28:06 -0000 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch removal References: <000001d7a0b3$f34451d0$d9ccf570$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: <13beed71-d500-4c04-98b0-9bec5fbe5e32@me.com> Simon, ???I see you got the clever tool for the flywheel, but I used a block of wood as you thought when I removed my flywheel bolts. Used a long breaker bar also and a big rubber mallet. Worked like a charm and was easy, plus I don't have a friend like yours near by. Good luck with the project and keep having fun while keeping us entertained! Steven Kingsbury BN1 On September 3, 2021 at 4:08 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote: Thank you all for your interesting replies and comments. The saga continues. 1) The OD is on the workshop/garage floor thanks mainly to my son-in-law who is that most useful thing, a VERY strong and willing assistant in heavy matters. 2) The gearbox and OD are going ?oop north? on Monday. (Get up at 04:00 to be at OD Spares for 08:30). 3) That part of the UK contains the majority of car-related things, places, suppliers, workshops etc in the UK. ?For example, AH Spares, Ahead4Healeys and JME Healeys are 13, 3 & 21 miles from OD Spares respectively. Now, I?m almost certainly going to buy the 3-part kit that consists of clutch, cover and bearing. I want to take the old assembly out and take it up with me for assessment. Just in case any of it?s OK. (It?ll have to be very OK for it not to be recycled). Q1) Right now, I?ve looked at the manual which suggests that one removes the cover first. Surely that?s not necessary if one?s going to remove the whole issue? Q2) I?m faced with 6 bolts, none of which want to turn. They?ve been there for my 25 years and who knows how long before that??.When I put any torque(?) into turning them, the engine rotates and whatever effort I?m putting out is absorbed by the engine?s rotation. Fair enough. I propose to take off the sump cover and jam the engine with a big chunk of timber. And then try again. The oil is dripping out as I type. Is there a better way of doing this?? Some clever trick that enable one to get these nuts off?? Thanks, Simon _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/airtightproductions at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: AHSpares Clutch Tool.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 34012 bytes Desc: not available URL: From michaelsalter at gmail.com Sat Sep 4 07:54:56 2021 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2021 09:54:56 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch alignment In-Reply-To: <000001d7a192$7c641570$752c4050$@alexarevel.plus.com> References: <000001d7a192$7c641570$752c4050$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: Yes, the AEC3472 will do the job ... all clutch splines and pilot bushes are the same size after the BN1. M On Sat, Sep 4, 2021 at 9:46 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > I have this item, ?Gear ? drive?, AEC 3472?, in my odds & sods pile. Pic > attached. > > Am I correct in thinking that I can use it to line up my new clutch? > > Is there anything that the AH Spares cheapo tool can do that this one > can?t? Pic attached. (Apart from being very much lighter?) > > Thank you, > > Simon > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Sat Sep 4 08:53:31 2021 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2021 07:53:31 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch alignment In-Reply-To: References: <000001d7a192$7c641570$752c4050$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: Further, these are VERY hard to find; AFAIK no one makes them but occasionally they'll come up on eBay. This one looks to be in better shape than the used ones I've seen for sale. What are you asking for it (half-) ;) Bob On 9/4/2021 6:54 AM, Michael Salter wrote: > Yes, the AEC3472 will do the job ... all clutch splines and pilot > bushes are the same size after the BN1. > > M > > On Sat, Sep 4, 2021 at 9:46 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys > > wrote: > > I have this item, ?Gear ? drive?, AEC 3472?, in my odds & sods > pile. Pic attached. > > Am I correct in thinking that I can use it to line up my new clutch? > > Is there anything that the AH Spares cheapo tool can do that this > one can?t? Pic attached. (Apart from being very much lighter?) > > Thank you, > > Simon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tld6008 at mchsi.com Sat Sep 4 11:38:46 2021 From: tld6008 at mchsi.com (Tim Davis BN7) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2021 13:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Healeys] clutch alignment tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2045157265.46828424.1630777126777.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> Basically same results. Cheepo just easier to use, store and buy ----- Original Message ----- From: healeys-request at autox.team.net To: "Healey list" Sent: Saturday, September 4, 2021 8:41:07 AM Subject: Healeys Digest, Vol 14, Issue 312 Send Healeys mailing list submissions to healeys at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to healeys-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at healeys-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Healeys digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Clutch alignment (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2021 14:40:53 +0100 From: To: "'Healeys'" Subject: [Healeys] Clutch alignment Message-ID: <000001d7a192$7c641570$752c4050$@alexarevel.plus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have this item, "Gear - drive", AEC 3472", in my odds & sods pile. Pic attached. Am I correct in thinking that I can use it to line up my new clutch? Is there anything that the AH Spares cheapo tool can do that this one can't? Pic attached. (Apart from being very much lighter?) Thank you, Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Gear - drive.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 3696750 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: AHSpares Clutch Tool.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 34012 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Healeys mailing list Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys archives: http://autox.team.net/archive ------------------------------ End of Healeys Digest, Vol 14, Issue 312 **************************************** From springer.mike51 at gmail.com Sun Sep 5 14:25:48 2021 From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2021 13:25:48 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Oil Pump Prime Message-ID: Is there a port I can prime the oil pump on my 100 engine? My friend that built the short block recommended priming the oil pump with STP. He just did not get to tell me how to pack it before he passed. I have also heard that assembly lube is another alternative. Any suggestions? Mike MacLean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rchaskell at earthlink.net Sun Sep 5 16:29:59 2021 From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2021 18:29:59 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Chuck Anderson Message-ID: <1949abe7-b151-5183-52cc-797247e69cc3@earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gradea1 at charter.net Sun Sep 5 23:46:36 2021 From: gradea1 at charter.net (gradea1 at charter.net) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2021 05:46:36 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Oil Pump Prime Message-ID: <9c59427fb1992ba1657ae5fe2c47aa9324704142@webmail> Use Vasaline-pack it (the pump body) full and then install into engine..it will dissolve in the oil and serve well as a lube and prime. Hank -----------------------------------------From: "Michael MacLean via Healeys" To: "Ahealey help" Cc: Sent: Sunday September 5 2021 8:34:33PM Subject: [Healeys] Oil Pump Prime Is there a port I can prime the oil pump on my 100 engine? My friend that built the short block recommended priming the oil pump with STP. He just did not get to tell me how to pack it before he passed. I have also heard that assembly lube is another alternative. Any suggestions? Mike MacLean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rosowski at tampabay.rr.com Mon Sep 6 08:52:01 2021 From: rosowski at tampabay.rr.com (rosowski at tampabay.rr.com) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2021 14:52:01 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Search Message-ID: Would you please provide instructions on how to search the list for a particular topic, e.g. BJ8 brake booster?Thank you -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From airtightproductions at icloud.com Mon Sep 6 09:29:08 2021 From: airtightproductions at icloud.com (Steven Kingsbury) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2021 15:29:08 -0000 Subject: [Healeys] Oil Pump Prime References: Message-ID: <035d39d3-6360-4879-a8dd-3167fe5802be@me.com> When I did the rod bearings in my MGB I packed the oil pump with Vaseline when I put everything back together and that worked great. When I rebuilt the engine in my BN1 I was told I did not have to do anything. So I just put it all back together, filled it with oil, left the plugs out and turned it over until she showed oil pressure. Worked like a charm. Then I put the plugs in, fired her up, good oil pressure and ran it for about 20 minutes at 2000 RPM. Been running since. And I made sure to use Driven Break in Oil.? ???Good luck! Vaseline can't hurt, but make sure you have pressure before you fire it up!? Steven Kingsbury? BN1? On September 5, 2021 at 8:34 PM, Michael MacLean via Healeys wrote: Is there a port I can prime the oil pump on my 100 engine?? My friend that built the short block recommended priming the oil pump with STP.? He just did not get to tell me how to pack it before he passed.? I have also heard that assembly lube is another alternative.? Any suggestions? Mike MacLean _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/airtightproductions at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rick Neville On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 10:53 AM wrote: > Would you please provide instructions on how to search the list for a > particular topic, e.g. BJ8 brake booster? > Thank you > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyrik at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healeyrik at gmail.com Mon Sep 6 11:58:28 2021 From: healeyrik at gmail.com (HealeyRick) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 13:58:28 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Search In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't know how familiar you are with Boolean search terms, but this will give you a guide on how to search: http://autox.team.net/mharc/archives/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?idxname=healeys If you were to enter the phrase in quotes "BJ8 brake booster" you would get no results. However, if you enter BJ8 and brake and booster, you'd get a bunch. Hope this helps, Rick Neville On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 1:50 PM HealeyRick wrote: > There are a couple of ways: > > > 1. You may go here http://autox.team.net/mharc/archives/html/healeys/ which > covers the years 2000 until the present. > > 2. The Austin-Healey Experience has a searchable database of the List > Archives from 2000-2010. The search box is here and you want to make sure > "Healeys List archives" is highlighted: > https://www.ahexp.com/phorum/search.php?match_forum=13 > > Happy searching, there's a lot of knowledge in there. > > Rick Neville > > > > On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 10:53 AM wrote: > >> Would you please provide instructions on how to search the list for a >> particular topic, e.g. BJ8 brake booster? >> Thank you >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyrik at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Mon Sep 6 12:11:07 2021 From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 19:11:07 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive issues. Message-ID: <000001d7a34a$91174e10$b345ea30$@alexarevel.plus.com> To, hopefully, bring you up to date and hopefully put this thing to bed.. I took the overdrive up to OD Spares and explained what was going on. They stripped it down and discovered:- The pump plunger wouldn't go all the way up because the casing was "b*gg***d. At some stage it had been scored and then repaired with something like JB Weld. Plastic Padding or Plastic Metal are our equivalents. I suspect OD Spares had done it when they rebuilt the servo back in +/- '04. They seemed very knowledgeable about the stuff, saying it "takes 24 hours to go off". Plastic Metal goes off as soon as you turn your back on it. Anyhow, they put in a brand new front casing and a new clutch. Tested, the OD ran at 500psi++. While they were doing that, 08:30 to 12:30, I was able to go to AH Spares and get a clutch kit and various other bits. First time there. Bit surprised by the member of staff who said "We're not mechanics. We just sell this stuff". So, the clutch will be the next discussion... Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jtkarowe at gmail.com Mon Sep 6 15:54:51 2021 From: jtkarowe at gmail.com (John and Kerry Rowe) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 07:54:51 +1000 Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive issues. In-Reply-To: <000001d7a34a$91174e10$b345ea30$@alexarevel.plus.com> References: <000001d7a34a$91174e10$b345ea30$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: Simon, when doing the clutch replace everything with the BJ8 kit. This is a huge improvement over the earlier ones. You will have to get the flywheel re-drilled for the pressure plate but this could be done when having it re-surfaced John Rowe, Qld Australia On Tue, 7 Sep 2021 at 4:20 am, Simon Lachlan via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > To, hopefully, bring you up to date and hopefully put this thing to bed?? > > I took the overdrive up to OD Spares and explained what was going on. They > stripped it down and discovered:- > > The pump plunger wouldn?t go all the way up because the casing was > ?b*gg***d. At some stage it had been scored and then repaired with > something like JB Weld. > > Plastic Padding or Plastic Metal are our equivalents. I suspect OD Spares > had done it when they rebuilt the servo back in +/- ?04. They seemed very > knowledgeable about the stuff, saying it ?takes 24 hours to go off?. > Plastic Metal goes off as soon as you turn your back on it. Anyhow, they > put in a brand new front casing and a new clutch. Tested, the OD ran at > 500psi++. > > While they were doing that, 08:30 to 12:30, I was able to go to AH Spares > and get a clutch kit and various other bits. First time there. Bit > surprised by the member of staff who said ?We?re not mechanics. We just > sell this stuff?. So, the clutch will be the next discussion?.. > > Simon > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/jtkarowe at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.oritt at gmail.com Mon Sep 6 16:13:08 2021 From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 18:13:08 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive issues. In-Reply-To: References: <000001d7a34a$91174e10$b345ea30$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: I'll second what John says. I put a BJ8 clutch in my 100 and it is lighter and easier to engage than the spring clutch. On Mon, Sep 6, 2021, 5:55 PM John and Kerry Rowe wrote: > Simon, when doing the clutch replace everything with the BJ8 kit. This is > a huge improvement over the earlier ones. You will have to get the > flywheel re-drilled for the pressure plate but this could be done when > having it re-surfaced John Rowe, Qld Australia > > On Tue, 7 Sep 2021 at 4:20 am, Simon Lachlan via Healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> To, hopefully, bring you up to date and hopefully put this thing to bed?? >> >> I took the overdrive up to OD Spares and explained what was going on. >> They stripped it down and discovered:- >> >> The pump plunger wouldn?t go all the way up because the casing >> was ?b*gg***d. At some stage it had been scored and then repaired with >> something like JB Weld. >> >> Plastic Padding or Plastic Metal are our equivalents. I suspect OD Spares >> had done it when they rebuilt the servo back in +/- ?04. They seemed very >> knowledgeable about the stuff, saying it ?takes 24 hours to go off?. >> Plastic Metal goes off as soon as you turn your back on it. Anyhow, they >> put in a brand new front casing and a new clutch. Tested, the OD ran at >> 500psi++. >> >> While they were doing that, 08:30 to 12:30, I was able to go to AH Spares >> and get a clutch kit and various other bits. First time there. Bit >> surprised by the member of staff who said ?We?re not mechanics. We just >> sell this stuff?. So, the clutch will be the next discussion?.. >> >> Simon >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/jtkarowe at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I took the overdrive up to OD Spares and explained what was going on. They stripped it down and discovered:- ??????? The pump plunger wouldn?t go all the way up because the casing was ?b*gg***d. At some stage it had been scored and then repaired with something like JB Weld. Plastic Padding or Plastic Metal are our equivalents. I suspect OD Spares had done it when they rebuilt the servo back in +/- ?04. They seemed very knowledgeable about the stuff, saying it ?takes 24 hours to go off?. Plastic Metal goes off as soon as you turn your back on it. Anyhow, they put in a brand new front casing and a new clutch. Tested, the OD ran at 500psi++. While they were doing that, 08:30 to 12:30, I was able to go to AH Spares and get a clutch kit and various other bits. First time there. Bit surprised by the member of staff who said ?We?re not mechanics. We just sell this stuff?. So, the clutch will be the next discussion?.. Simon ? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/emmgeeteecee at yahoo.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kags at shaw.ca Mon Sep 6 21:29:07 2021 From: kags at shaw.ca (kags at shaw.ca) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 20:29:07 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] FW: Overdrive issues. References: <000001d7a34a$91174e10$b345ea30$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: <000e01d7a398$852945b0$8f7bd110$@shaw.ca> Sorry John and Michael ? didn?t post this to Simon or the list before EK From: kags at shaw.ca Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 3:51 PM To: 'Michael Oritt' ; 'John and Kerry Rowe' Subject: RE: [Healeys] Overdrive issues. Simon ? I fully agree. I didn?t want to risk complicating your life by suggesting this earlier. Now that that has been done ---------! My tri-carb ? so close to yours in car number ? has been weeping a bit of oil in sympathy with your overdrive ordeal. Mine got a BJ8 clutch 20 plus years ago ? an excellent upgrade. Many others here have done the same upgrade and all would agree. Now ? when you have the whole mess apart anyway ? would be the time to do it. As John says, if you can?t find a BJ8 flywheel (a direct replacement), any competent automotive machine shop can modify your existing one (different mounting bolt size and circle, different locating dowel positions and number). If you decide to do it, I?m sorry to add to your task. Cheers anyway --- Earl Kagna Victoria BC BJ8, BT7 tri-carb From: Healeys > On Behalf Of Michael Oritt via Healeys Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 3:13 PM To: John and Kerry Rowe > Cc: Healeys > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive issues. I'll second what John says. I put a BJ8 clutch in my 100 and it is lighter and easier to engage than the spring clutch. On Mon, Sep 6, 2021, 5:55 PM John and Kerry Rowe > wrote: Simon, when doing the clutch replace everything with the BJ8 kit. This is a huge improvement over the earlier ones. You will have to get the flywheel re-drilled for the pressure plate but this could be done when having it re-surfaced John Rowe, Qld Australia On Tue, 7 Sep 2021 at 4:20 am, Simon Lachlan via Healeys > wrote: To, hopefully, bring you up to date and hopefully put this thing to bed?? I took the overdrive up to OD Spares and explained what was going on. They stripped it down and discovered:- The pump plunger wouldn?t go all the way up because the casing was ?b*gg***d. At some stage it had been scored and then repaired with something like JB Weld. Plastic Padding or Plastic Metal are our equivalents. I suspect OD Spares had done it when they rebuilt the servo back in +/- ?04. They seemed very knowledgeable about the stuff, saying it ?takes 24 hours to go off?. Plastic Metal goes off as soon as you turn your back on it. Anyhow, they put in a brand new front casing and a new clutch. Tested, the OD ran at 500psi++. While they were doing that, 08:30 to 12:30, I was able to go to AH Spares and get a clutch kit and various other bits. First time there. Bit surprised by the member of staff who said ?We?re not mechanics. We just sell this stuff?. So, the clutch will be the next discussion?.. 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URL: From jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 6 23:29:25 2021 From: jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net (John Spaur) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 22:29:25 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive issues. In-Reply-To: <185413561.4779358.1630982945097@mail.yahoo.com> References: <000001d7a34a$91174e10$b345ea30$@alexarevel.plus.com> <185413561.4779358.1630982945097@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01af01d7a3a9$533a5010$f9aef030$@sbcglobal.net> Sarcasm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82CtZX9gmZ8 From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Lodge via Healeys Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 7:49 PM To: Healeys ; Harold Manifold Cc: David Lodge Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive issues. Harold, That's satire, right? On Monday, 6 September 2021, 19:38:54 GMT-7, Harold Manifold via Healeys > wrote: Have you thought of turning your Healey saga into a reality television program? Now you have the flywheel out it would be a good time to considered lightening and balancing the flywheel. And you thought this was a simple OD fix! Harold From: Simon Lachlan via Healeys Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 11:19 AM To: Healeys Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive issues. To, hopefully, bring you up to date and hopefully put this thing to bed?? I took the overdrive up to OD Spares and explained what was going on. They stripped it down and discovered:- The pump plunger wouldn?t go all the way up because the casing was ?b*gg***d. At some stage it had been scored and then repaired with something like JB Weld. Plastic Padding or Plastic Metal are our equivalents. I suspect OD Spares had done it when they rebuilt the servo back in +/- ?04. They seemed very knowledgeable about the stuff, saying it ?takes 24 hours to go off?. Plastic Metal goes off as soon as you turn your back on it. Anyhow, they put in a brand new front casing and a new clutch. Tested, the OD ran at 500psi++. While they were doing that, 08:30 to 12:30, I was able to go to AH Spares and get a clutch kit and various other bits. First time there. Bit surprised by the member of staff who said ?We?re not mechanics. We just sell this stuff?. So, the clutch will be the next discussion?.. Simon _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donatehtml Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/emmgeeteecee at yahoo.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 6 23:29:25 2021 From: jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net (John Spaur) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 22:29:25 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive issues. In-Reply-To: References: <000001d7a34a$91174e10$b345ea30$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: <01b401d7a3a9$544de2f0$fce9a8d0$@sbcglobal.net> I installed a lighter flywheel but lighting the flywheel is a double edged sword. The lighter the flywheel the faster engine revs will rise and fall but you will lose momentum on a hill more quickly. In other words, it is good for racing on flatland but not so good for pulling the car up a hill -- Read more at: https://www.torquecars.co.uk/tuning/flywheel-lightening - (c) TorqueCars I saved my stock flywheel and may reinstall it if I ever pull out the transmission. John From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Harold Manifold via Healeys Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 7:34 PM To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com; Healeys Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive issues. Have you thought of turning your Healey saga into a reality television program? Now you have the flywheel out it would be a good time to considered lightening and balancing the flywheel. And you thought this was a simple OD fix! Harold From: Simon Lachlan via Healeys Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 11:19 AM To: Healeys Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive issues. To, hopefully, bring you up to date and hopefully put this thing to bed?? I took the overdrive up to OD Spares and explained what was going on. They stripped it down and discovered:- The pump plunger wouldn?t go all the way up because the casing was ?b*gg***d. At some stage it had been scored and then repaired with something like JB Weld. Plastic Padding or Plastic Metal are our equivalents. I suspect OD Spares had done it when they rebuilt the servo back in +/- ?04. They seemed very knowledgeable about the stuff, saying it ?takes 24 hours to go off?. Plastic Metal goes off as soon as you turn your back on it. Anyhow, they put in a brand new front casing and a new clutch. Tested, the OD ran at 500psi++. While they were doing that, 08:30 to 12:30, I was able to go to AH Spares and get a clutch kit and various other bits. First time there. Bit surprised by the member of staff who said ?We?re not mechanics. We just sell this stuff?. So, the clutch will be the next discussion?.. Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boyracer466 at gmail.com Tue Sep 7 11:22:50 2021 From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (richard mayor) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 10:22:50 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels Message-ID: 6 cylinder flywheels vary slightly but are all generally in the 29 pound range. Very aggressive machine work can get the weight down to the 22-23 pound range. How much weight you take off will affect your driving style. To maintain the feel of a stock Healey while still improving the engines response, I suggest removing no more than 3 pounds. Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healeybruce at roadrunner.com Tue Sep 7 13:38:06 2021 From: healeybruce at roadrunner.com (Bruce Steele) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 12:38:06 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <042c01d7a41f$e2207b80$a6617280$@roadrunner.com> I?ve been quite happy with the Denis Welch flywheel. Bruce Steele Brea, CA 1960 BN7 From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of richard mayor Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2021 10:23 AM To: healeys Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels 6 cylinder flywheels vary slightly but are all generally in the 29 pound range. Very aggressive machine work can get the weight down to the 22-23 pound range. How much weight you take off will affect your driving style. To maintain the feel of a stock Healey while still improving the engines response, I suggest removing no more than 3 pounds. Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kags at shaw.ca Tue Sep 7 14:16:42 2021 From: kags at shaw.ca (kags at shaw.ca) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 13:16:42 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d7a425$4709aa80$d51cff80$@shaw.ca> I have Bill Bolton lightened flywheels in both my Healeys. According to Kent Lambert, who took over Bills Healey business awhile back, the stock weight (6 cyl) is 28.5 pounds, and Bills machining program reduced them to 24. Both of my cars run just fine, no problems at all in the 20 + or so years that I?ve had them installed. Earl Kagna Victoria BC BJ8, BT7 tri-carb From: Healeys On Behalf Of richard mayor Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 10:23 AM To: healeys Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels 6 cylinder flywheels vary slightly but are all generally in the 29 pound range. Very aggressive machine work can get the weight down to the 22-23 pound range. How much weight you take off will affect your driving style. To maintain the feel of a stock Healey while still improving the engines response, I suggest removing no more than 3 pounds. Richard -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelsalter at gmail.com Tue Sep 7 15:24:29 2021 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 17:24:29 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels In-Reply-To: <000001d7a425$4709aa80$d51cff80$@shaw.ca> References: <000001d7a425$4709aa80$d51cff80$@shaw.ca> Message-ID: The total mass of the flywheel is not completely relevant insofar as engine moment of inertia is concerned. What is important is the mass removed times the square of the radius, so just how much weight has been removed per se is not important. Secondly removing rotational inertia is not always the best thing to do, if it was you can be assured that manufacturers would be all over it as a way to save money. The rotational mass is often designed in to protect the drive train, in particular the gearbox. Read this: https://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/2017/01/03/austin-healey-100-crank-failures/ Thirdly lightening a flywheel in of itself has very little effect on acceleration. An engine with a lightened flywheel may accelerate to 6000 RPM 1 - 2 seconds more quickly but that doesn't necessarily equate to 1-2 seconds faster to 60 MPH. You may be able to shift marginally faster if the gearbox can stand the extra loads and the 4 to 5 pounds off vehicle weight is really only the equivalent of half a tank of fuel. (Who ever notices that their car accelerates more quickly with a half full gas tank). Just sayin' M On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 4:17 p.m. Earl Kagna via Healeys, < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > I have Bill Bolton lightened flywheels in both my Healeys. According to > Kent Lambert, who took over Bills Healey business awhile back, the stock > weight (6 cyl) is 28.5 pounds, and Bills machining program reduced them to > 24. > > > > Both of my cars run just fine, no problems at all in the 20 + or so years > that I?ve had them installed. > > > > Earl Kagna > > Victoria BC > > BJ8, BT7 tri-carb > > > > > > > > *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *richard > mayor > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 7, 2021 10:23 AM > *To:* healeys > *Subject:* [Healeys] Lightened flywheels > > > > 6 cylinder flywheels vary slightly but are all generally in the 29 pound > range. Very aggressive machine work can get the weight down to the 22-23 > pound range. > > How much weight you take off will affect your driving style. To maintain > the feel of a stock Healey while still improving the engines response, I > suggest removing no more than 3 pounds. > > > > Richard > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_4102748135953362380_m_-1299543942381278781_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boyracer466 at gmail.com Tue Sep 7 15:59:30 2021 From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (richard mayor) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 14:59:30 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels In-Reply-To: References: <000001d7a425$4709aa80$d51cff80$@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Michael, Comparing the weight of fuel in the gas tank to rotational mass is like comparing apples to bananas. Richard On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 2:24 PM Michael Salter wrote: > The total mass of the flywheel is not completely relevant insofar as > engine moment of inertia is concerned. > What is important is the mass removed times the square of the radius, so > just how much weight has been removed per se is not important. > Secondly removing rotational inertia is not always the best thing to do, > if it was you can be assured that manufacturers would be all over it as a > way to save money. > The rotational mass is often designed in to protect the drive train, in > particular the gearbox. > Read this: > https://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/2017/01/03/austin-healey-100-crank-failures/ > Thirdly lightening a flywheel in of itself has very little effect on > acceleration. An engine with a lightened flywheel may accelerate to 6000 > RPM 1 - 2 seconds more quickly but that doesn't necessarily equate to 1-2 > seconds faster to 60 MPH. You may be able to shift marginally faster if the > gearbox can stand the extra loads and the 4 to 5 pounds off vehicle weight > is really only the equivalent of half a tank of fuel. (Who ever notices > that their car accelerates more quickly with a half full gas tank). > > Just sayin' > > M > > On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 4:17 p.m. Earl Kagna via Healeys, < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> I have Bill Bolton lightened flywheels in both my Healeys. According to >> Kent Lambert, who took over Bills Healey business awhile back, the stock >> weight (6 cyl) is 28.5 pounds, and Bills machining program reduced them to >> 24. >> >> >> >> Both of my cars run just fine, no problems at all in the 20 + or so years >> that I?ve had them installed. >> >> >> >> Earl Kagna >> >> Victoria BC >> >> BJ8, BT7 tri-carb >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *richard >> mayor >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 7, 2021 10:23 AM >> *To:* healeys >> *Subject:* [Healeys] Lightened flywheels >> >> >> >> 6 cylinder flywheels vary slightly but are all generally in the 29 pound >> range. Very aggressive machine work can get the weight down to the 22-23 >> pound range. >> >> How much weight you take off will affect your driving style. To maintain >> the feel of a stock Healey while still improving the engines response, I >> suggest removing no more than 3 pounds. >> >> >> >> Richard >> >> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> >> <#m_-5451347567706541358_m_4102748135953362380_m_-1299543942381278781_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelsalter at gmail.com Tue Sep 7 16:15:49 2021 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 18:15:49 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels In-Reply-To: References: <000001d7a425$4709aa80$d51cff80$@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Absolutely right Richard but you are have missed my point. M On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 5:59 p.m. richard mayor, wrote: > Michael, > > Comparing the weight of fuel in the gas tank to rotational mass is like > comparing apples to bananas. > > Richard > > > On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 2:24 PM Michael Salter > wrote: > >> The total mass of the flywheel is not completely relevant insofar as >> engine moment of inertia is concerned. >> What is important is the mass removed times the square of the radius, so >> just how much weight has been removed per se is not important. >> Secondly removing rotational inertia is not always the best thing to do, >> if it was you can be assured that manufacturers would be all over it as a >> way to save money. >> The rotational mass is often designed in to protect the drive train, in >> particular the gearbox. >> Read this: >> https://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/2017/01/03/austin-healey-100-crank-failures/ >> Thirdly lightening a flywheel in of itself has very little effect on >> acceleration. An engine with a lightened flywheel may accelerate to 6000 >> RPM 1 - 2 seconds more quickly but that doesn't necessarily equate to 1-2 >> seconds faster to 60 MPH. You may be able to shift marginally faster if the >> gearbox can stand the extra loads and the 4 to 5 pounds off vehicle weight >> is really only the equivalent of half a tank of fuel. (Who ever notices >> that their car accelerates more quickly with a half full gas tank). >> >> Just sayin' >> >> M >> >> On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 4:17 p.m. Earl Kagna via Healeys, < >> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> I have Bill Bolton lightened flywheels in both my Healeys. According to >>> Kent Lambert, who took over Bills Healey business awhile back, the stock >>> weight (6 cyl) is 28.5 pounds, and Bills machining program reduced them to >>> 24. >>> >>> >>> >>> Both of my cars run just fine, no problems at all in the 20 + or so >>> years that I?ve had them installed. >>> >>> >>> >>> Earl Kagna >>> >>> Victoria BC >>> >>> BJ8, BT7 tri-carb >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *richard >>> mayor >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 7, 2021 10:23 AM >>> *To:* healeys >>> *Subject:* [Healeys] Lightened flywheels >>> >>> >>> >>> 6 cylinder flywheels vary slightly but are all generally in the 29 pound >>> range. Very aggressive machine work can get the weight down to the 22-23 >>> pound range. >>> >>> How much weight you take off will affect your driving style. To maintain >>> the feel of a stock Healey while still improving the engines response, I >>> suggest removing no more than 3 pounds. >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> <#m_2206703498914175201_m_-5451347567706541358_m_4102748135953362380_m_-1299543942381278781_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boyracer466 at gmail.com Tue Sep 7 16:22:01 2021 From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (richard mayor) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 15:22:01 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels In-Reply-To: References: <000001d7a425$4709aa80$d51cff80$@shaw.ca> Message-ID: I should add one more thing for clarification. The general rule of thumb for comparing rotational weight to other weight (sprung or unsprung) is 10 to 1. So, using that rule, 5 pounds of weight removed from rotational mass would equal 50 pounds of fuel. As Michael pointed out. But, it doesn't alway work out that way. If you removed one pound from the flywheel in the area where the bolt pattern is then the 10 to 1 rule may apply. But if you remove one pound of material out near the ring gear then it is more like a factor of 30 to 1. Any rotational weight removed further away from its axis will have a much greater effect. And when you lighten a Healey flywheel the place where the meat comes off first is out near the ring gear. Removing 3 or 4 pounds has a big effect on acceleration. On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 2:24 PM Michael Salter wrote: > The total mass of the flywheel is not completely relevant insofar as > engine moment of inertia is concerned. > What is important is the mass removed times the square of the radius, so > just how much weight has been removed per se is not important. > Secondly removing rotational inertia is not always the best thing to do, > if it was you can be assured that manufacturers would be all over it as a > way to save money. > The rotational mass is often designed in to protect the drive train, in > particular the gearbox. > Read this: > https://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/2017/01/03/austin-healey-100-crank-failures/ > Thirdly lightening a flywheel in of itself has very little effect on > acceleration. An engine with a lightened flywheel may accelerate to 6000 > RPM 1 - 2 seconds more quickly but that doesn't necessarily equate to 1-2 > seconds faster to 60 MPH. You may be able to shift marginally faster if the > gearbox can stand the extra loads and the 4 to 5 pounds off vehicle weight > is really only the equivalent of half a tank of fuel. (Who ever notices > that their car accelerates more quickly with a half full gas tank). > > Just sayin' > > M > > On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 4:17 p.m. Earl Kagna via Healeys, < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> I have Bill Bolton lightened flywheels in both my Healeys. According to >> Kent Lambert, who took over Bills Healey business awhile back, the stock >> weight (6 cyl) is 28.5 pounds, and Bills machining program reduced them to >> 24. >> >> >> >> Both of my cars run just fine, no problems at all in the 20 + or so years >> that I?ve had them installed. >> >> >> >> Earl Kagna >> >> Victoria BC >> >> BJ8, BT7 tri-carb >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *richard >> mayor >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 7, 2021 10:23 AM >> *To:* healeys >> *Subject:* [Healeys] Lightened flywheels >> >> >> >> 6 cylinder flywheels vary slightly but are all generally in the 29 pound >> range. Very aggressive machine work can get the weight down to the 22-23 >> pound range. >> >> How much weight you take off will affect your driving style. To maintain >> the feel of a stock Healey while still improving the engines response, I >> suggest removing no more than 3 pounds. >> >> >> >> Richard >> >> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> >> <#m_-5451347567706541358_m_4102748135953362380_m_-1299543942381278781_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.oritt at gmail.com Tue Sep 7 17:40:33 2021 From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 19:40:33 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels In-Reply-To: References: <000001d7a425$4709aa80$d51cff80$@shaw.ca> Message-ID: I hesitate to nitpick but as to the statement that *"4 to 5 pounds off vehicle weight is really only the equivalent of half a tank of fuel" *the last time I looked an AH fuel tank holds about 12 gallons and since gasoline weighs approximately 7.5 lbs per gallon half a tank weighs about 45 pounds. The defense rests.... Best--Michael Oritt On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 6:00 PM richard mayor via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Michael, > > Comparing the weight of fuel in the gas tank to rotational mass is like > comparing apples to bananas. > > Richard > > > On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 2:24 PM Michael Salter > wrote: > >> The total mass of the flywheel is not completely relevant insofar as >> engine moment of inertia is concerned. >> What is important is the mass removed times the square of the radius, so >> just how much weight has been removed per se is not important. >> Secondly removing rotational inertia is not always the best thing to do, >> if it was you can be assured that manufacturers would be all over it as a >> way to save money. >> The rotational mass is often designed in to protect the drive train, in >> particular the gearbox. >> Read this: >> https://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/2017/01/03/austin-healey-100-crank-failures/ >> Thirdly lightening a flywheel in of itself has very little effect on >> acceleration. An engine with a lightened flywheel may accelerate to 6000 >> RPM 1 - 2 seconds more quickly but that doesn't necessarily equate to 1-2 >> seconds faster to 60 MPH. You may be able to shift marginally faster if the >> gearbox can stand the extra loads and the 4 to 5 pounds off vehicle weight >> is really only the equivalent of half a tank of fuel. (Who ever notices >> that their car accelerates more quickly with a half full gas tank). >> >> Just sayin' >> >> M >> >> On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 4:17 p.m. Earl Kagna via Healeys, < >> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> I have Bill Bolton lightened flywheels in both my Healeys. According to >>> Kent Lambert, who took over Bills Healey business awhile back, the stock >>> weight (6 cyl) is 28.5 pounds, and Bills machining program reduced them to >>> 24. >>> >>> >>> >>> Both of my cars run just fine, no problems at all in the 20 + or so >>> years that I?ve had them installed. >>> >>> >>> >>> Earl Kagna >>> >>> Victoria BC >>> >>> BJ8, BT7 tri-carb >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *richard >>> mayor >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 7, 2021 10:23 AM >>> *To:* healeys >>> *Subject:* [Healeys] Lightened flywheels >>> >>> >>> >>> 6 cylinder flywheels vary slightly but are all generally in the 29 pound >>> range. Very aggressive machine work can get the weight down to the 22-23 >>> pound range. >>> >>> How much weight you take off will affect your driving style. To maintain >>> the feel of a stock Healey while still improving the engines response, I >>> suggest removing no more than 3 pounds. >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> <#m_-7376499558368236035_m_-5451347567706541358_m_4102748135953362380_m_-1299543942381278781_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com > > -- Best--Michael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From llennep at verizon.net Tue Sep 7 17:52:42 2021 From: llennep at verizon.net (llennep at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 23:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels In-Reply-To: References: <000001d7a425$4709aa80$d51cff80$@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <221031832.3863391.1631058762378@mail.yahoo.com> Nitpicking me here . . .. ?.. .gallon of gasoline weighs a tad over 6 lbs:) -----Original Message----- From: Michael Oritt via Healeys To: richard mayor Cc: healeys Sent: Tue, Sep 7, 2021 7:40 pm Subject: Re: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels I hesitate to nitpick but as to the statement that "4 to 5 pounds off vehicle weight is really only the equivalent of half a tank of fuel"??the last time I looked an AH fuel tank holds about 12 gallons and since gasoline weighs approximately 7.5 lbs per gallon half a tank weighs about 45 pounds.??The defense rests.... Best--Michael Oritt?? On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 6:00 PM richard mayor via Healeys wrote: Michael, Comparing the weight of fuel in the gas tank to rotational mass is like comparing apples to bananas. Richard On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 2:24 PM Michael Salter wrote: The total mass of the flywheel is not completely relevant insofar as engine moment of inertia is concerned.What is important is the mass removed times the square of the radius, so just how much weight has been removed per se is not important.?Secondly removing rotational inertia is not always the best thing to do, if it was you can be assured that manufacturers would be all over it as a way to save money.The rotational mass is often designed in to protect the drive train, in particular the gearbox.Read this:? https://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/2017/01/03/austin-healey-100-crank-failures/Thirdly lightening a flywheel in of itself has very little effect on acceleration.? An engine with a lightened flywheel may accelerate to 6000 RPM 1 - 2 seconds more quickly but that doesn't necessarily equate to 1-2 seconds faster to 60 MPH. You may be able to shift marginally faster if the gearbox can stand the extra loads and the 4 to 5 pounds off vehicle weight is really only the equivalent of half a tank of fuel. (Who ever notices that their car accelerates more quickly with a half full gas tank). Just sayin' M On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 4:17 p.m. Earl Kagna via Healeys, wrote: I have Bill Bolton lightened flywheels in both my Healeys.? According to Kent Lambert, who took over Bills Healey business awhile back, the stock weight (6 cyl) is 28.5 pounds, and Bills machining program reduced them to 24.?Both of my cars run just fine, no problems at all in the 20 + or so years that I?ve had them installed.?Earl KagnaVictoria BCBJ8, BT7 tri-carb???From: Healeys On Behalf Of richard mayor Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 10:23 AM To: healeys Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels?6 cylinder flywheels vary slightly but are all generally in the 29 pound range. Very aggressive machine work can get the weight down to the 22-23 pound range. How much weight you take off will affect your driving style. To maintain the feel of a stock Healey while still improving the engines response, I suggest removing no more than 3 pounds. ?Richard ? | | Virus-free. www.avast.com | _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com -- Best--Michael_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/llennep at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.oritt at gmail.com Tue Sep 7 18:39:37 2021 From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 20:39:37 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels In-Reply-To: <221031832.3863391.1631058762378@mail.yahoo.com> References: <000001d7a425$4709aa80$d51cff80$@shaw.ca> <221031832.3863391.1631058762378@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Keith-- Right you are (and wrong I am) but 6 x 6.3=20+/-which is still more than 5... Best--Michael Oritt On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 7:53 PM llennep--- via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Nitpicking me here . . .. .. . > gallon of gasoline weighs a tad over 6 lbs > :) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Oritt via Healeys > To: richard mayor > Cc: healeys > Sent: Tue, Sep 7, 2021 7:40 pm > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels > > I hesitate to nitpick but as to the statement that *"4 to 5 pounds off > vehicle weight is really only the equivalent of half a tank of fuel" *the > last time I looked an AH fuel tank holds about 12 gallons and since > gasoline weighs approximately 7.5 lbs per gallon half a tank weighs about > 45 pounds. The defense rests.... > > Best--Michael Oritt > > On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 6:00 PM richard mayor via Healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > > Michael, > > Comparing the weight of fuel in the gas tank to rotational mass is like > comparing apples to bananas. > > Richard > > > On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 2:24 PM Michael Salter > wrote: > > The total mass of the flywheel is not completely relevant insofar as > engine moment of inertia is concerned. > What is important is the mass removed times the square of the radius, so > just how much weight has been removed per se is not important. > Secondly removing rotational inertia is not always the best thing to do, > if it was you can be assured that manufacturers would be all over it as a > way to save money. > The rotational mass is often designed in to protect the drive train, in > particular the gearbox. > Read this: > https://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/2017/01/03/austin-healey-100-crank-failures/ > Thirdly lightening a flywheel in of itself has very little effect on > acceleration. An engine with a lightened flywheel may accelerate to 6000 > RPM 1 - 2 seconds more quickly but that doesn't necessarily equate to 1-2 > seconds faster to 60 MPH. You may be able to shift marginally faster if the > gearbox can stand the extra loads and the 4 to 5 pounds off vehicle weight > is really only the equivalent of half a tank of fuel. (Who ever notices > that their car accelerates more quickly with a half full gas tank). > > Just sayin' > > M > > On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 4:17 p.m. Earl Kagna via Healeys, < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > > I have Bill Bolton lightened flywheels in both my Healeys. According to > Kent Lambert, who took over Bills Healey business awhile back, the stock > weight (6 cyl) is 28.5 pounds, and Bills machining program reduced them to > 24. > > Both of my cars run just fine, no problems at all in the 20 + or so years > that I?ve had them installed. > > Earl Kagna > Victoria BC > BJ8, BT7 tri-carb > > > > *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *richard > mayor > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 7, 2021 10:23 AM > *To:* healeys > *Subject:* [Healeys] Lightened flywheels > > 6 cylinder flywheels vary slightly but are all generally in the 29 pound > range. Very aggressive machine work can get the weight down to the 22-23 > pound range. > How much weight you take off will affect your driving style. To maintain > the feel of a stock Healey while still improving the engines response, I > suggest removing no more than 3 pounds. > > Richard > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com > > > > -- > Best--Michael > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/llennep at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com > > -- Best--Michael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rchaskell at earthlink.net Tue Sep 7 19:00:34 2021 From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 21:00:34 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels In-Reply-To: References: <000001d7a425$4709aa80$d51cff80$@shaw.ca> <221031832.3863391.1631058762378@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02a1bef3-4c21-7d78-76a8-5703d48068f4@earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelsalter at gmail.com Tue Sep 7 19:03:00 2021 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 21:03:00 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels In-Reply-To: References: <000001d7a425$4709aa80$d51cff80$@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Perhaps another way to look at this question is with respect tp engine power. It takes a certain amount of horsepower to accelerate a mass (car) at a certain rate. Taking weight off the flywheel decreases the amount of horsepower required to accelerate the car and for that matter the engine's speed of rotation but the change in the amount of horsepower required is very small. Sure engines with light flywheels sound racey but they aren't more powerful. M On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 6:22 p.m. richard mayor, wrote: > I should add one more thing for clarification. The general rule of thumb > for comparing rotational weight to other weight (sprung or unsprung) is 10 > to 1. So, using that rule, 5 pounds of weight removed from rotational mass > would equal 50 pounds of fuel. As Michael pointed out. > But, it doesn't alway work out that way. If you removed one pound from > the flywheel in the area where the bolt pattern is then the 10 to 1 rule > may apply. But if you remove one pound of material out near the ring gear > then it is more like a factor of 30 to 1. Any rotational weight removed > further away from its axis will have a much greater effect. And when you > lighten a Healey flywheel the place where the meat comes off first is out > near the ring gear. Removing 3 or 4 pounds has a big effect on > acceleration. > > On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 2:24 PM Michael Salter > wrote: > >> The total mass of the flywheel is not completely relevant insofar as >> engine moment of inertia is concerned. >> What is important is the mass removed times the square of the radius, so >> just how much weight has been removed per se is not important. >> Secondly removing rotational inertia is not always the best thing to do, >> if it was you can be assured that manufacturers would be all over it as a >> way to save money. >> The rotational mass is often designed in to protect the drive train, in >> particular the gearbox. >> Read this: >> https://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/2017/01/03/austin-healey-100-crank-failures/ >> Thirdly lightening a flywheel in of itself has very little effect on >> acceleration. An engine with a lightened flywheel may accelerate to 6000 >> RPM 1 - 2 seconds more quickly but that doesn't necessarily equate to 1-2 >> seconds faster to 60 MPH. You may be able to shift marginally faster if the >> gearbox can stand the extra loads and the 4 to 5 pounds off vehicle weight >> is really only the equivalent of half a tank of fuel. (Who ever notices >> that their car accelerates more quickly with a half full gas tank). >> >> Just sayin' >> >> M >> >> On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 4:17 p.m. Earl Kagna via Healeys, < >> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> I have Bill Bolton lightened flywheels in both my Healeys. According to >>> Kent Lambert, who took over Bills Healey business awhile back, the stock >>> weight (6 cyl) is 28.5 pounds, and Bills machining program reduced them to >>> 24. >>> >>> >>> >>> Both of my cars run just fine, no problems at all in the 20 + or so >>> years that I?ve had them installed. >>> >>> >>> >>> Earl Kagna >>> >>> Victoria BC >>> >>> BJ8, BT7 tri-carb >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *richard >>> mayor >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 7, 2021 10:23 AM >>> *To:* healeys >>> *Subject:* [Healeys] Lightened flywheels >>> >>> >>> >>> 6 cylinder flywheels vary slightly but are all generally in the 29 pound >>> range. Very aggressive machine work can get the weight down to the 22-23 >>> pound range. >>> >>> How much weight you take off will affect your driving style. To maintain >>> the feel of a stock Healey while still improving the engines response, I >>> suggest removing no more than 3 pounds. >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> <#m_573075059829985210_m_-5451347567706541358_m_4102748135953362380_m_-1299543942381278781_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 7 23:14:03 2021 From: jmsdarch at sbcglobal.net (John Spaur) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 22:14:03 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels In-Reply-To: References: <000001d7a425$4709aa80$d51cff80$@shaw.ca> <221031832.3863391.1631058762378@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <020901d7a470$57da84b0$078f8e10$@sbcglobal.net> More nitpicking. The density of gasoline is also determined by its temperature and chemical makeup. Premium unleaded gasoline has a higher density than regular unleaded. Ethanol has a higher density than gasoline without ethanol, so the percentage of ethanol needs to be factored in. Finally, gasoline is denser at colder temperatures than it is at higher temperatures. So please, take all of this into account when determining the fuel weight in your cars based on your location and the fuel available. I wonder if the lead content of gasoline increases its weight because, as we all know lead, is very heavy. Hahaha John Spaur From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Michael Oritt Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 5:40 PM To: Keith Pennell Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels Keith-- Right you are (and wrong I am) but 6 x 6.3=20+/-which is still more than 5... Best--Michael Oritt On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 7:53 PM llennep--- via Healeys > wrote: Nitpicking me here . . .. .. . gallon of gasoline weighs a tad over 6 lbs :) -----Original Message----- From: Michael Oritt via Healeys > To: richard mayor > Cc: healeys > Sent: Tue, Sep 7, 2021 7:40 pm Subject: Re: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels I hesitate to nitpick but as to the statement that "4 to 5 pounds off vehicle weight is really only the equivalent of half a tank of fuel" the last time I looked an AH fuel tank holds about 12 gallons and since gasoline weighs approximately 7.5 lbs per gallon half a tank weighs about 45 pounds. The defense rests.... Best--Michael Oritt On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 6:00 PM richard mayor via Healeys > wrote: Michael, Comparing the weight of fuel in the gas tank to rotational mass is like comparing apples to bananas. Richard On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 2:24 PM Michael Salter > wrote: The total mass of the flywheel is not completely relevant insofar as engine moment of inertia is concerned. What is important is the mass removed times the square of the radius, so just how much weight has been removed per se is not important. Secondly removing rotational inertia is not always the best thing to do, if it was you can be assured that manufacturers would be all over it as a way to save money. The rotational mass is often designed in to protect the drive train, in particular the gearbox. Read this: https://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/2017/01/03/austin-healey-100-crank-failures/ Thirdly lightening a flywheel in of itself has very little effect on acceleration. An engine with a lightened flywheel may accelerate to 6000 RPM 1 - 2 seconds more quickly but that doesn't necessarily equate to 1-2 seconds faster to 60 MPH. You may be able to shift marginally faster if the gearbox can stand the extra loads and the 4 to 5 pounds off vehicle weight is really only the equivalent of half a tank of fuel. (Who ever notices that their car accelerates more quickly with a half full gas tank). Just sayin' M On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 4:17 p.m. Earl Kagna via Healeys, > wrote: I have Bill Bolton lightened flywheels in both my Healeys. According to Kent Lambert, who took over Bills Healey business awhile back, the stock weight (6 cyl) is 28.5 pounds, and Bills machining program reduced them to 24. Both of my cars run just fine, no problems at all in the 20 + or so years that I?ve had them installed. Earl Kagna Victoria BC BJ8, BT7 tri-carb From: Healeys > On Behalf Of richard mayor Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 10:23 AM To: healeys > Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels 6 cylinder flywheels vary slightly but are all generally in the 29 pound range. Very aggressive machine work can get the weight down to the 22-23 pound range. How much weight you take off will affect your driving style. To maintain the feel of a stock Healey while still improving the engines response, I suggest removing no more than 3 pounds. Richard Virus-free. www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com -- Best--Michael _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/llennep at verizon.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com -- Best--Michael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bluehealey at gmail.com Wed Sep 8 02:13:49 2021 From: bluehealey at gmail.com (Bluehealey) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 09:13:49 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels In-Reply-To: <020901d7a470$57da84b0$078f8e10$@sbcglobal.net> References: <020901d7a470$57da84b0$078f8e10$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4D15BB98-2C0E-40FE-A36B-609717C44F01@gmail.com> Team. Whilst this is an interesting topic and ?Lightened Flywheel? may have some bragging rights potential, carrying out this mod does have a down side. The reduced flywheel mass creates a more pronounced engine reaction force in the opposite direction. I had a BJ8 almost 20 years ago which had a very light flywheel, poor tick over and quick throttle response. It sounded good. However the torque reaction was extreme enough to lift the engine mount tower out of the chassis rails !! The cracking in the pics have been highlighted with red sharpie for clarity. Enjoy Alan - from my iPad > On 8 Sep 2021, at 06:16, John Spaur via Healeys wrote: > > ? > More nitpicking. > > The density of gasoline is also determined by its temperature and chemical makeup. Premium unleaded gasoline has a higher density than regular unleaded. Ethanol has a higher density than gasoline without ethanol, so the percentage of ethanol needs to be factored in. Finally, gasoline is denser at colder temperatures than it is at higher temperatures. So please, take all of this into account when determining the fuel weight in your cars based on your location and the fuel available. > > I wonder if the lead content of gasoline increases its weight because, as we all know lead, is very heavy. Hahaha > > John Spaur > > From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Michael Oritt > Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 5:40 PM > To: Keith Pennell > Cc: healeys at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels > > Keith-- > > Right you are (and wrong I am) but 6 x 6.3=20+/-which is still more than 5... > > Best--Michael Oritt > > > > On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 7:53 PM llennep--- via Healeys wrote: > Nitpicking me here . . .. .. . > gallon of gasoline weighs a tad over 6 lbs > :) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Oritt via Healeys > To: richard mayor > Cc: healeys > Sent: Tue, Sep 7, 2021 7:40 pm > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels > > I hesitate to nitpick but as to the statement that "4 to 5 pounds off vehicle weight is really only the equivalent of half a tank of fuel" the last time I looked an AH fuel tank holds about 12 gallons and since gasoline weighs approximately 7.5 lbs per gallon half a tank weighs about 45 pounds. The defense rests.... > > Best--Michael Oritt > > On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 6:00 PM richard mayor via Healeys wrote: > Michael, > > Comparing the weight of fuel in the gas tank to rotational mass is like comparing apples to bananas. > > Richard > > > On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 2:24 PM Michael Salter wrote: > The total mass of the flywheel is not completely relevant insofar as engine moment of inertia is concerned. > What is important is the mass removed times the square of the radius, so just how much weight has been removed per se is not important. > Secondly removing rotational inertia is not always the best thing to do, if it was you can be assured that manufacturers would be all over it as a way to save money. > The rotational mass is often designed in to protect the drive train, in particular the gearbox. > Read this: https://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/2017/01/03/austin-healey-100-crank-failures/ > Thirdly lightening a flywheel in of itself has very little effect on acceleration. An engine with a lightened flywheel may accelerate to 6000 RPM 1 - 2 seconds more quickly but that doesn't necessarily equate to 1-2 seconds faster to 60 MPH. You may be able to shift marginally faster if the gearbox can stand the extra loads and the 4 to 5 pounds off vehicle weight is really only the equivalent of half a tank of fuel. (Who ever notices that their car accelerates more quickly with a half full gas tank). > > Just sayin' > > M > > On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 4:17 p.m. Earl Kagna via Healeys, wrote: > I have Bill Bolton lightened flywheels in both my Healeys. According to Kent Lambert, who took over Bills Healey business awhile back, the stock weight (6 cyl) is 28.5 pounds, and Bills machining program reduced them to 24. > > Both of my cars run just fine, no problems at all in the 20 + or so years that I?ve had them installed. > > Earl Kagna > Victoria BC > BJ8, BT7 tri-carb > > > > From: Healeys On Behalf Of richard mayor > Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 10:23 AM > To: healeys > Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels > > 6 cylinder flywheels vary slightly but are all generally in the 29 pound range. Very aggressive machine work can get the weight down to the 22-23 pound range. > How much weight you take off will affect your driving style. To maintain the feel of a stock Healey while still improving the engines response, I suggest removing no more than 3 pounds. > > Richard > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com > > > > -- > Best--Michael > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/llennep at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com > > > > -- > Best--Michael > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bluehealey at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image2.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2025969 bytes Desc: not available URL: From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Wed Sep 8 02:41:52 2021 From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 09:41:52 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels In-Reply-To: <020901d7a470$57da84b0$078f8e10$@sbcglobal.net> References: <000001d7a425$4709aa80$d51cff80$@shaw.ca> <221031832.3863391.1631058762378@mail.yahoo.com> <020901d7a470$57da84b0$078f8e10$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <000001d7a48d$623d0870$26b71950$@alexarevel.plus.com> Well, this is all very interesting I?m sure. As for AH 3000 flywheels, they don?t seem to like coming off. However, mine?s at the workshop now. I?d always thought that they reduced the weight of a standard flywheel by drilling, not that I?d given it a whole load of thought. In fact, I?d never even seen a whole flywheel until the other day. But, it seems, they skim it off. Getting the dowels out can be a trial apparently. Mine weighed in at 28 and a bit pounds. Simon From: Healeys On Behalf Of John Spaur via Healeys Sent: 08 September 2021 06:14 To: 'Michael Oritt' ; 'Keith Pennell' Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels More nitpicking. The density of gasoline is also determined by its temperature and chemical makeup. Premium unleaded gasoline has a higher density than regular unleaded. Ethanol has a higher density than gasoline without ethanol, so the percentage of ethanol needs to be factored in. Finally, gasoline is denser at colder temperatures than it is at higher temperatures. So please, take all of this into account when determining the fuel weight in your cars based on your location and the fuel available. I wonder if the lead content of gasoline increases its weight because, as we all know lead, is very heavy. Hahaha John Spaur From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Michael Oritt Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 5:40 PM To: Keith Pennell > Cc: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels Keith-- Right you are (and wrong I am) but 6 x 6.3=20+/-which is still more than 5... Best--Michael Oritt On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 7:53 PM llennep--- via Healeys > wrote: Nitpicking me here . . .. .. . gallon of gasoline weighs a tad over 6 lbs :) -----Original Message----- From: Michael Oritt via Healeys > To: richard mayor > Cc: healeys > Sent: Tue, Sep 7, 2021 7:40 pm Subject: Re: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels I hesitate to nitpick but as to the statement that "4 to 5 pounds off vehicle weight is really only the equivalent of half a tank of fuel" the last time I looked an AH fuel tank holds about 12 gallons and since gasoline weighs approximately 7.5 lbs per gallon half a tank weighs about 45 pounds. The defense rests.... Best--Michael Oritt On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 6:00 PM richard mayor via Healeys > wrote: Michael, Comparing the weight of fuel in the gas tank to rotational mass is like comparing apples to bananas. Richard On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 2:24 PM Michael Salter > wrote: The total mass of the flywheel is not completely relevant insofar as engine moment of inertia is concerned. What is important is the mass removed times the square of the radius, so just how much weight has been removed per se is not important. Secondly removing rotational inertia is not always the best thing to do, if it was you can be assured that manufacturers would be all over it as a way to save money. The rotational mass is often designed in to protect the drive train, in particular the gearbox. Read this: https://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/2017/01/03/austin-healey-100-crank-failures/ Thirdly lightening a flywheel in of itself has very little effect on acceleration. An engine with a lightened flywheel may accelerate to 6000 RPM 1 - 2 seconds more quickly but that doesn't necessarily equate to 1-2 seconds faster to 60 MPH. You may be able to shift marginally faster if the gearbox can stand the extra loads and the 4 to 5 pounds off vehicle weight is really only the equivalent of half a tank of fuel. (Who ever notices that their car accelerates more quickly with a half full gas tank). Just sayin' M On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 4:17 p.m. Earl Kagna via Healeys, > wrote: I have Bill Bolton lightened flywheels in both my Healeys. According to Kent Lambert, who took over Bills Healey business awhile back, the stock weight (6 cyl) is 28.5 pounds, and Bills machining program reduced them to 24. Both of my cars run just fine, no problems at all in the 20 + or so years that I?ve had them installed. Earl Kagna Victoria BC BJ8, BT7 tri-carb From: Healeys > On Behalf Of richard mayor Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 10:23 AM To: healeys > Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels 6 cylinder flywheels vary slightly but are all generally in the 29 pound range. Very aggressive machine work can get the weight down to the 22-23 pound range. How much weight you take off will affect your driving style. To maintain the feel of a stock Healey while still improving the engines response, I suggest removing no more than 3 pounds. 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URL: From rchaskell at earthlink.net Wed Sep 8 03:45:36 2021 From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 05:45:36 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels In-Reply-To: <4D15BB98-2C0E-40FE-A36B-609717C44F01@gmail.com> References: <020901d7a470$57da84b0$078f8e10$@sbcglobal.net> <4D15BB98-2C0E-40FE-A36B-609717C44F01@gmail.com> Message-ID: Alan, Cracking around the engine mount is a pretty common issue, although probably not to the point where the engine mount separates from the frame.? A 20 year old BT7 I bought in 1980 had cracks around the mounts. Cheers, Bob Haskell Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar On 9/8/21 4:13 AM, Bluehealey wrote: > Team. > Whilst this is an interesting topic and ?Lightened Flywheel? may have > some bragging rights potential, carrying out this mod does have a down > side. > The reduced flywheel mass creates a more pronounced engine reaction > force in the opposite direction. > I had a BJ8 almost 20 years ago which had a very light flywheel, poor > tick over and quick throttle response. It sounded good. However the > torque reaction was extreme enough to lift the engine mount tower out > of the chassis rails !! > The cracking in the pics have been highlighted with red sharpie for > clarity. > Enjoy > > > Alan - from my iPad > >> On 8 Sep 2021, at 06:16, John Spaur via Healeys >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> More nitpicking. >> >> The density of gasoline is also determined by its temperature and >> chemical makeup. Premium unleaded gasoline has a higher density than >> regular unleaded. Ethanol has a higher density than gasoline without >> ethanol, so the percentage of ethanol needs to be factored in. >> Finally, gasoline is denser at colder temperatures than it is at >> higher temperatures. So please, take all of this into account when >> determining the fuel weight in your cars based on your location and >> the fuel available. >> >> I wonder if the lead content of gasoline increases its weight >> because, as we all know lead, is very heavy. Hahaha >> >> John Spaur >> >> *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of >> *Michael Oritt >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 7, 2021 5:40 PM >> *To:* Keith Pennell >> *Cc:* healeys at autox.team.net >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels >> >> Keith-- >> >> Right you are (and wrong I am) but 6 x 6.3=20+/-which is still more >> than 5... >> >> Best--Michael Oritt >> >> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 7:53 PM llennep--- via Healeys >> > wrote: >> >> Nitpicking me here . . .. ?.. . >> >> gallon of gasoline weighs a tad over 6 lbs >> >> :) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Oritt via Healeys > > >> To: richard mayor > > >> Cc: healeys > >> Sent: Tue, Sep 7, 2021 7:40 pm >> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels >> >> I hesitate to nitpick but as to the statement that /"4 to 5 >> pounds off vehicle weight is really only the equivalent of half a >> tank of fuel" ///the last time I looked an AH fuel tank holds >> about 12 gallons and since gasoline weighs approximately 7.5 lbs >> per gallon half a tank weighs about 45 pounds.??The defense rests.... >> >> Best--Michael Oritt >> >> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 6:00 PM richard mayor via Healeys >> > wrote: >> >> Michael, >> >> Comparing the weight of fuel in the gas tank to rotational >> mass is like comparing apples to bananas. >> >> Richard >> >> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 2:24 PM Michael Salter >> > wrote: >> >> The total mass of the flywheel is not completely relevant >> insofar as engine moment of inertia is concerned. >> >> What is important is the mass removed times the square of >> the radius, so just how much weight has been removed per >> se is not important. >> >> Secondly removing rotational inertia is not always the >> best thing to do, if it was you can be assured that >> manufacturers would be all over it as a way to save money. >> >> The rotational mass is often designed in to protect the >> drive train, in particular the gearbox. >> >> Read this: >> https://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/2017/01/03/austin-healey-100-crank-failures/ >> >> >> Thirdly lightening a flywheel in of itself has very >> little effect on acceleration. An engine with a lightened >> flywheel may accelerate to 6000 RPM 1 - 2 seconds more >> quickly but that doesn't necessarily equate to 1-2 >> seconds faster to 60 MPH. You may be able to shift >> marginally faster if the gearbox can stand the extra >> loads and the 4 to 5 pounds off vehicle weight is really >> only the equivalent of half a tank of fuel. (Who ever >> notices that their car accelerates more quickly with a >> half full gas tank). >> >> Just sayin' >> >> M >> >> On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 4:17 p.m. Earl Kagna via Healeys, >> > >> wrote: >> >> I have Bill Bolton lightened flywheels in both my >> Healeys. According to Kent Lambert, who took over >> Bills Healey business awhile back, the stock weight >> (6 cyl) is 28.5 pounds, and Bills machining program >> reduced them to 24. >> >> Both of my cars run just fine, no problems at all in >> the 20 + or so years that I?ve had them installed. >> >> Earl Kagna >> >> Victoria BC >> >> BJ8, BT7 tri-carb >> >> *From:*Healeys > > *On Behalf >> Of *richard mayor >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 7, 2021 10:23 AM >> *To:* healeys > > >> *Subject:* [Healeys] Lightened flywheels >> >> 6 cylinder flywheels vary slightly but are all >> generally in the 29 pound range. Very aggressive >> machine work can get the weight down to the 22-23 >> pound range. >> >> How much weight you take off will affect your driving >> style. To maintain the feel of a stock Healey while >> still improving the engines response, I suggest >> removing no more than 3 pounds. >> >> Richard >> >> >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Suggested annual donation? $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best--Michael >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Suggested annual donation? $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/llennep at verizon.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Suggested annual donation? $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best--Michael >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation ?$12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bluehealey at gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net > From garyandersonmm at gmail.com Wed Sep 8 06:05:36 2021 From: garyandersonmm at gmail.com (Gary Anderson) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 05:05:36 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Flywheels Message-ID: Rather than tagging onto an already very long thread, I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents on a new email. I'm with Earl on this one. When Mike Meindorfer rebuilt my engine during my restoration of my BN7 (where IS Mike these days?) in 1991, he used a lightened flywheel from Bill Bolton. The most notable difference for me was the responsiveness of the car when I was driving. There wasn't as much inertia to overcome as the car went from idle to 3000 rpm, and much less apparent lag when shifting gears. I wasn't interested in acceleration per se -- Drag racing is not something you're ever going to do with a Healey -- but rather the satisfying feeling of a car that was a pleasure to drive away from a stop and up through the gears. Incidentally, I haven't done so much as adjust the carburetor since the engine was rebuilt. Can you believe it? 30 years ago. That whole period was so long ago and remembered only with the Healey still in the garage and driven on Saturdays in southern Oregon, and a dozen or so Healey meet plaques on my office wall. All the best, everyone. 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The most notable difference for me was > the responsiveness of the car when I was driving. There wasn't as much > inertia to overcome as the car went from idle to 3000 rpm, and much less > apparent lag when shifting gears. I wasn't interested in acceleration per > se -- Drag racing is not something you're ever going to do with a Healey -- > but rather the satisfying feeling of a car that was a pleasure to drive > away from a stop and up through the gears. Incidentally, I haven't done so > much as adjust the carburetor since the engine was rebuilt. Can you believe > it? 30 years ago. That whole period was so long ago and remembered only > with the Healey still in the garage and driven on Saturdays in southern > Oregon, and a dozen or so Healey meet plaques on my office wall. > > All the best, everyone. > May the smoke clear, may the rains stop, and may the fires be contained. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3000 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healeydoc at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 8 09:17:06 2021 From: healeydoc at sbcglobal.net (David Nock BCS) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 08:17:06 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Flywheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D678C18742C4426B36893107DADDA51@DavidNockHP> We have been installing a NEW 15 lb flywheel for probably 25 plus years and never had a problem. Especially on the 100/4 motors they notice the biggest improvement. David Nock British Car Specialists 209-948-8767 www.britishcarspecialists.com From: i erbs Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2021 8:09 AM To: Gary Anderson Cc: Ahealey help Subject: Re: [Healeys] Flywheels I had a lightened flywheel on my bn4 ,but gave it up to put a bj8 clutch in it. I do notice a difference, but my left knee is happier with the late model clutch cover. Ira Erbs 1959 AH 100-6 1967 MGB Milwaukie, OR On Wed, Sep 8, 2021, 5:07 AM Gary Anderson wrote: Rather than tagging onto an already very long thread, I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents on a new email. I'm with Earl on this one. When Mike Meindorfer rebuilt my engine during my restoration of my BN7 (where IS Mike these days?) in 1991, he used a lightened flywheel from Bill Bolton. The most notable difference for me was the responsiveness of the car when I was driving. There wasn't as much inertia to overcome as the car went from idle to 3000 rpm, and much less apparent lag when shifting gears. I wasn't interested in acceleration per se -- Drag racing is not something you're ever going to do with a Healey -- but rather the satisfying feeling of a car that was a pleasure to drive away from a stop and up through the gears. Incidentally, I haven't done so much as adjust the carburetor since the engine was rebuilt. Can you believe it? 30 years ago. That whole period was so long ago and remembered only with the Healey still in the garage and driven on Saturdays in southern Oregon, and a dozen or so Healey meet plaques on my office wall. All the best, everyone. May the smoke clear, may the rains stop, and may the fires be contained. Gary _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3000 at gmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeydoc at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gradea1 at charter.net Wed Sep 8 11:16:01 2021 From: gradea1 at charter.net (gradea1 at charter.net) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2021 17:16:01 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Flywheels Message-ID: <6e4149e816784527757cd735212e786da2ac3d0c@webmail> All the talk about lightening, and not a word about balancing. I'm all for a balanced engine and drivetrain. Hank -----------------------------------------From: "David Nock BCS via Healeys" To: "i erbs", "Gary Anderson" Cc: "Ahealey help" Sent: Wednesday September 8 2021 8:18:32AM Subject: Re: [Healeys] Flywheels We have been installing a NEW 15 lb flywheel for probably 25 plus years and never had a problem. Especially on the 100/4 motors they notice the biggest improvement. David Nock British Car Specialists 209-948-8767 www.britishcarspecialists.com FROM: i erbs SENT: Wednesday, September 08, 2021 8:09 AM TO: Gary Anderson CC: Ahealey help SUBJECT: Re: [Healeys] Flywheels I had a lightened flywheel on my bn4 ,but gave it up to put a bj8 clutch in it. I do notice a difference, but my left knee is happier with the late model clutch cover. Ira Erbs 1959 AH 100-6 1967 MGB Milwaukie, OR On Wed, Sep 8, 2021, 5:07 AM Gary Anderson wrote: Rather than tagging onto an already very long thread, I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents on a new email. I'm with Earl on this one. When Mike Meindorfer rebuilt my engine during my restoration of my BN7 (where IS Mike these days?) in 1991, he used a lightened flywheel from Bill Bolton. The most notable difference for me was the responsiveness of the car when I was driving. There wasn't as much inertia to overcome as the car went from idle to 3000 rpm, and much less apparent lag when shifting gears. I wasn't interested in acceleration per se -- Drag racing is not something you're ever going to do with a Healey -- but rather the satisfying feeling of a car that was a pleasure to drive away from a stop and up through the gears. Incidentally, I haven't done so much as adjust the carburetor since the engine was rebuilt. Can you believe it? 30 years ago. That whole period was so long ago and remembered only with the Healey still in the garage and driven on Saturdays in southern Oregon, and a dozen or so Healey meet plaques on my office wall. All the best, everyone. May the smoke clear, may the rains stop, and may the fires be contained. 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URL: From eyera3000 at gmail.com Wed Sep 8 11:17:58 2021 From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 10:17:58 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Flywheels In-Reply-To: <6e4149e816784527757cd735212e786da2ac3d0c@webmail> References: <6e4149e816784527757cd735212e786da2ac3d0c@webmail> Message-ID: I had my entire driveline balanced too, buy a guy who built mopar dragsters. Matched conrods and pistons, trued crankshaft and a spinning bits Ira Erbs 1959 AH 100-6 1967 MGB Milwaukie, OR On Wed, Sep 8, 2021, 10:16 AM wrote: > All the talk about lightening, and not a word about balancing. I'm all for > a balanced engine and drivetrain. Hank > > ----------------------------------------- > From: "David Nock BCS via Healeys" > To: "i erbs", "Gary Anderson" > Cc: "Ahealey help" > Sent: Wednesday September 8 2021 8:18:32AM > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Flywheels > > We have been installing a NEW 15 lb flywheel for probably 25 plus years > and never had a problem. Especially on the 100/4 motors they notice the > biggest improvement. > > > David Nock > British Car Specialists > 209-948-8767 > www.britishcarspecialists.com > > *From:* i erbs > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2021 8:09 AM > *To:* Gary Anderson > *Cc:* Ahealey help > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Flywheels > > I had a lightened flywheel on my bn4 ,but gave it up to put a bj8 clutch > in it. I do notice a difference, but my left knee is happier with the late > model clutch cover. > > Ira Erbs > 1959 AH 100-6 > 1967 MGB > Milwaukie, OR > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2021, 5:07 AM Gary Anderson > wrote: > >> Rather than tagging onto an already very long thread, I thought I'd throw >> in my 2 cents on a new email. >> >> I'm with Earl on this one. When Mike Meindorfer rebuilt my engine during >> my restoration of my BN7 (where IS Mike these days?) in 1991, he used a >> lightened flywheel from Bill Bolton. The most notable difference for me was >> the responsiveness of the car when I was driving. There wasn't as much >> inertia to overcome as the car went from idle to 3000 rpm, and much less >> apparent lag when shifting gears. I wasn't interested in acceleration per >> se -- Drag racing is not something you're ever going to do with a Healey -- >> but rather the satisfying feeling of a car that was a pleasure to drive >> away from a stop and up through the gears. Incidentally, I haven't done so >> much as adjust the carburetor since the engine was rebuilt. Can you believe >> it? 30 years ago. That whole period was so long ago and remembered only >> with the Healey still in the garage and driven on Saturdays in southern >> Oregon, and a dozen or so Healey meet plaques on my office wall. >> >> All the best, everyone. >> May the smoke clear, may the rains stop, and may the fires be contained. >> >> Gary >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3000 at gmail.com >> >> ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeydoc at sbcglobal.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roggrace at telus.net Wed Sep 8 11:26:24 2021 From: roggrace at telus.net (Roger Grace) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 10:26:24 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels In-Reply-To: References: <000001d7a425$4709aa80$d51cff80$@shaw.ca> Message-ID: I am with M on this one. There is no doubt that where the metal mass is removed is important. The moment of inertia is proportional to the square of the radius. I removed 6.8 lbs from my BJ8 one mostly around the periphery. This is a 23% reduction in weight but must be a higher % reduction in inertia - perhaps 30% - who knows ! Next issue being discussed is the potential improvements (if any) with this mod. No doubt when in neutral the engine will accelerate faster as less inertia to get moving. Total inertia is engine plus flywheel (ignoring drive train) inertias. So the relevant fact is the CHANGE/REDUCTION in total inertia. I have no idea what the engine inertia is. When the engine torque accelerates the flywheel, and the engine mechanical components, energy is added to the flywheel. This is proportional to change in angular velocity (RPM) and Inertia. So, with a lightened flywheel, less engine torque (energy) is used to accelerate the flywheel to a new speed and thus more energy (engine output) is available to accelerate the car. Very difficult to estimate. - may or may not be insignificant. So until someone does some bench tests to measure these inertias we will just have to rely on anecdotes ! On my car the engine now shuts off pronto and no fear of the dreaded dieseling. rg On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 6:10 PM Michael Salter wrote: > Perhaps another way to look at this question is with respect tp engine > power. > It takes a certain amount of horsepower to accelerate a mass (car) at a > certain rate. > Taking weight off the flywheel decreases the amount of horsepower required > to accelerate the car and for that matter the engine's speed of rotation > but the change in the amount of horsepower required is very small. > Sure engines with light flywheels sound racey but they aren't more > powerful. > > M > > On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 6:22 p.m. richard mayor, > wrote: > >> I should add one more thing for clarification. The general rule of >> thumb for comparing rotational weight to other weight (sprung or unsprung) >> is 10 to 1. So, using that rule, 5 pounds of weight removed from >> rotational mass would equal 50 pounds of fuel. As Michael pointed out. >> But, it doesn't alway work out that way. If you removed one pound from >> the flywheel in the area where the bolt pattern is then the 10 to 1 rule >> may apply. But if you remove one pound of material out near the ring gear >> then it is more like a factor of 30 to 1. Any rotational weight removed >> further away from its axis will have a much greater effect. And when you >> lighten a Healey flywheel the place where the meat comes off first is out >> near the ring gear. Removing 3 or 4 pounds has a big effect on >> acceleration. >> >> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 2:24 PM Michael Salter >> wrote: >> >>> The total mass of the flywheel is not completely relevant insofar as >>> engine moment of inertia is concerned. >>> What is important is the mass removed times the square of the radius, so >>> just how much weight has been removed per se is not important. >>> Secondly removing rotational inertia is not always the best thing to do, >>> if it was you can be assured that manufacturers would be all over it as a >>> way to save money. >>> The rotational mass is often designed in to protect the drive train, in >>> particular the gearbox. >>> Read this: >>> https://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/2017/01/03/austin-healey-100-crank-failures/ >>> Thirdly lightening a flywheel in of itself has very little effect on >>> acceleration. An engine with a lightened flywheel may accelerate to 6000 >>> RPM 1 - 2 seconds more quickly but that doesn't necessarily equate to 1-2 >>> seconds faster to 60 MPH. You may be able to shift marginally faster if the >>> gearbox can stand the extra loads and the 4 to 5 pounds off vehicle weight >>> is really only the equivalent of half a tank of fuel. (Who ever notices >>> that their car accelerates more quickly with a half full gas tank). >>> >>> Just sayin' >>> >>> M >>> >>> On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 4:17 p.m. Earl Kagna via Healeys, < >>> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I have Bill Bolton lightened flywheels in both my Healeys. According >>>> to Kent Lambert, who took over Bills Healey business awhile back, the stock >>>> weight (6 cyl) is 28.5 pounds, and Bills machining program reduced them to >>>> 24. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Both of my cars run just fine, no problems at all in the 20 + or so >>>> years that I?ve had them installed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Earl Kagna >>>> >>>> Victoria BC >>>> >>>> BJ8, BT7 tri-carb >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *richard >>>> mayor >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 7, 2021 10:23 AM >>>> *To:* healeys >>>> *Subject:* [Healeys] Lightened flywheels >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 6 cylinder flywheels vary slightly but are all generally in the 29 >>>> pound range. Very aggressive machine work can get the weight down to the >>>> 22-23 pound range. >>>> >>>> How much weight you take off will affect your driving style. To >>>> maintain the feel of a stock Healey while still improving the engines >>>> response, I suggest removing no more than 3 pounds. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard >>>> >>>> >>>> Virus-free. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> <#m_-4327506918077947763_m_7168537835214182875_m_573075059829985210_m_-5451347567706541358_m_4102748135953362380_m_-1299543942381278781_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>> >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >>>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> >>>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/roggrace at telus.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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David Nock British Car Specialists 209-948-8767 www.britishcarspecialists.com From: i erbs Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2021 10:17 AM To: gradea1 at charter.net Cc: David Nock BCS ; Ahealey help Subject: Re: [Healeys] Flywheels I had my entire driveline balanced too, buy a guy who built mopar dragsters. Matched conrods and pistons, trued crankshaft and a spinning bits Ira Erbs 1959 AH 100-6 1967 MGB Milwaukie, OR On Wed, Sep 8, 2021, 10:16 AM wrote: All the talk about lightening, and not a word about balancing. I'm all for a balanced engine and drivetrain. Hank ----------------------------------------- From: "David Nock BCS via Healeys" To: "i erbs", "Gary Anderson" Cc: "Ahealey help" Sent: Wednesday September 8 2021 8:18:32AM Subject: Re: [Healeys] Flywheels We have been installing a NEW 15 lb flywheel for probably 25 plus years and never had a problem. Especially on the 100/4 motors they notice the biggest improvement. David Nock British Car Specialists 209-948-8767 www.britishcarspecialists.com From: i erbs Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2021 8:09 AM To: Gary Anderson Cc: Ahealey help Subject: Re: [Healeys] Flywheels I had a lightened flywheel on my bn4 ,but gave it up to put a bj8 clutch in it. I do notice a difference, but my left knee is happier with the late model clutch cover. Ira Erbs 1959 AH 100-6 1967 MGB Milwaukie, OR On Wed, Sep 8, 2021, 5:07 AM Gary Anderson wrote: Rather than tagging onto an already very long thread, I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents on a new email. I'm with Earl on this one. When Mike Meindorfer rebuilt my engine during my restoration of my BN7 (where IS Mike these days?) in 1991, he used a lightened flywheel from Bill Bolton. The most notable difference for me was the responsiveness of the car when I was driving. There wasn't as much inertia to overcome as the car went from idle to 3000 rpm, and much less apparent lag when shifting gears. I wasn't interested in acceleration per se -- Drag racing is not something you're ever going to do with a Healey -- but rather the satisfying feeling of a car that was a pleasure to drive away from a stop and up through the gears. Incidentally, I haven't done so much as adjust the carburetor since the engine was rebuilt. Can you believe it? 30 years ago. That whole period was so long ago and remembered only with the Healey still in the garage and driven on Saturdays in southern Oregon, and a dozen or so Healey meet plaques on my office wall. All the best, everyone. May the smoke clear, may the rains stop, and may the fires be contained. 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URL: From rchaskell at earthlink.net Wed Sep 8 14:21:52 2021 From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 16:21:52 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels In-Reply-To: References: <020901d7a470$57da84b0$078f8e10$@sbcglobal.net> <4D15BB98-2C0E-40FE-A36B-609717C44F01@gmail.com> Message-ID: Something similar was done on the rally cars.? Now, where would I have learned that? Hmm. Cheers, Bob Haskell Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar On 9/8/21 2:38 PM, Harold Manifold wrote: > > Here is a picture of a fix for cracked engine mounts an experienced > Healey restorer recommended for my car. I was advised it is not > unusual for cracks to appear around the engine mounts. > > Simon ? you can?t wait until you remove the engine for this fix! > > Harold > > *From: *Bob Haskell via Healeys > *Sent: *Wednesday, September 8, 2021 2:46 AM > *To: *Bluehealey ; Autox Healeys > > *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels > > Alan, > > Cracking around the engine mount is a pretty common issue, although > > probably not to the point where the engine mount separates from the > > frame.? A 20 year old BT7 I bought in 1980 had cracks around the mounts. > > Cheers, > > Bob Haskell > > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > > On 9/8/21 4:13 AM, Bluehealey wrote: > > > Team. > > > Whilst this is an interesting topic and ?Lightened Flywheel? may have > > > some bragging rights potential, carrying out this mod does have a down > > > side. > > > The reduced flywheel mass creates a more pronounced engine reaction > > > force in the opposite direction. > > > I had a BJ8 almost 20 years ago which had a very light flywheel, poor > > > tick over and quick throttle response. It sounded good. However the > > > torque reaction was extreme enough to lift the engine mount tower out > > > of the chassis rails !! > > > The cracking in the pics have been highlighted with red sharpie for > > > clarity. > > > Enjoy > > > > > > > > > Alan - from my iPad > > > > > >> On 8 Sep 2021, at 06:16, John Spaur via Healeys > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> ? > > >> > > >> More nitpicking. > > >> > > >> The density of gasoline is also determined by its temperature and > > >> chemical makeup. Premium unleaded gasoline has a higher density than > > >> regular unleaded. Ethanol has a higher density than gasoline without > > >> ethanol, so the percentage of ethanol needs to be factored in. > > >> Finally, gasoline is denser at colder temperatures than it is at > > >> higher temperatures. So please, take all of this into account when > > >> determining the fuel weight in your cars based on your location and > > >> the fuel available. > > >> > > >> I wonder if the lead content of gasoline increases its weight > > >> because, as we all know lead, is very heavy. Hahaha > > >> > > >> John Spaur > > >> > > >> *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of > > >> *Michael Oritt > > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 7, 2021 5:40 PM > > >> *To:* Keith Pennell > > >> *Cc:* healeys at autox.team.net > > >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels > > >> > > >> Keith-- > > >> > > >> Right you are (and wrong I am) but 6 x 6.3=20+/-which is still more > > >> than 5... > > >> > > >> Best--Michael Oritt > > >> > > >> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 7:53 PM llennep--- via Healeys > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > >>???? Nitpicking me here . . .. ?.. . > > >> > > >>???? gallon of gasoline weighs a tad over 6 lbs > > >> > > >>???? :) > > >> > > >>???? -----Original Message----- > > >>???? From: Michael Oritt via Healeys > >> > > > >>???? To: richard mayor > >> > > > >>???? Cc: healeys > > > >>???? Sent: Tue, Sep 7, 2021 7:40 pm > > >>???? Subject: Re: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels > > >> > > >>???? I hesitate to nitpick but as to the statement that /"4 to 5 > > >>???? pounds off vehicle weight is really only the equivalent of half a > > >>???? tank of fuel" ///the last time I looked an AH fuel tank holds > > >>???? about 12 gallons and since gasoline weighs approximately 7.5 lbs > > >>???? per gallon half a tank weighs about 45 pounds.??The defense > rests.... > > >> > > >>???? Best--Michael Oritt > > >> > > >>???? On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 6:00 PM richard mayor via Healeys > > >>???? > wrote: > > >> > > >>???????? Michael, > > >> > > >>???????? Comparing the weight of fuel in the gas tank to rotational > > >>???????? mass is like comparing apples to bananas. > > >> > > >>???????? Richard > > >> > > >>???????? On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 2:24 PM Michael Salter > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > >>???????????? The total mass of the flywheel is not completely relevant > > >>???????????? insofar as engine moment of inertia is concerned. > > >> > > >>???????????? What is important is the mass removed times the square of > > >>???????????? the radius, so just how much weight has been removed per > > >>???????????? se is not important. > > >> > > >>???????????? Secondly removing rotational inertia is not always the > > >>???????????? best thing to do, if it was you can be assured that > > >>???????????? manufacturers would be all over it as a way to save money. > > >> > > >>???????????? The rotational mass is often designed in to protect the > > >>???????????? drive train, in particular the gearbox. > > >> > > >>???????????? Read this: > > >> > https://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/2017/01/03/austin-healey-100-crank-failures/ > > >> > > > >> > > >>???????????? Thirdly lightening a flywheel in of itself has very > > >>???????????? little effect on acceleration. An engine with a lightened > > >>???????????? flywheel may accelerate to 6000 RPM 1 - 2 seconds more > > >>???????????? quickly but that doesn't necessarily equate to 1-2 > > >>???????????? seconds faster to 60 MPH. You may be able to shift > > >>???????????? marginally faster if the gearbox can stand the extra > > >>???????????? loads and the 4 to 5 pounds off vehicle weight is really > > >>???????????? only the equivalent of half a tank of fuel. (Who ever > > >>???????????? notices that their car accelerates more quickly with a > > >>???????????? half full gas tank). > > >> > > >>????? ???????Just sayin' > > >> > > >>???????????? M > > >> > > >>???????????? On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 4:17 p.m. Earl Kagna via Healeys, > > >> > > > >>???????????? wrote: > > >> > > >>???????????????? I have Bill Bolton lightened flywheels in both my > > >>???????????????? Healeys. According to Kent Lambert, who took over > > >>???????????????? Bills Healey business awhile back, the stock weight > > >>???????????????? (6 cyl) is 28.5 pounds, and Bills machining program > > >>???????????????? reduced them to 24. > > >> > > >>???????????????? Both of my cars run just fine, no problems at all in > > >>???????????????? the 20 + or so years that I?ve had them installed. > > >> > > >>???????????????? Earl Kagna > > >> > > >>???????????????? Victoria BC > > >> > > >>???????????????? BJ8, BT7 tri-carb > > >> > > >>???????????????? *From:*Healeys > >> > *On Behalf > > >>???????????????? Of *richard mayor > > >>????? ???????????*Sent:* Tuesday, September 7, 2021 10:23 AM > > >>???????????????? *To:* healeys > >> > > > >>???????????????? *Subject:* [Healeys] Lightened flywheels > > >> > > >>???????????????? 6 cylinder flywheels vary slightly but are all > > >>???????????????? generally in the 29 pound range. Very aggressive > > >>???????????????? machine work can get the weight down to the 22-23 > > >>???????????????? pound range. > > >> > > >>???????????????? How much weight you take off will affect your driving > > >>???????????????? style. To maintain the feel of a stock Healey while > > >>???????????????? still improving the engines response, I suggest > > >>???????????????? removing no more than 3 pounds. > > >> > > >>???????????????? Richard > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>???????????????? Virus-free. www.avast.com > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >>???????????????? 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Obviously a "known" issue. M On Wed., Sep. 8, 2021, 4:22 p.m. Bob Haskell via Healeys, < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Something similar was done on the rally cars. Now, where would I have > learned that? Hmm. > > Cheers, > > Bob Haskell > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > > On 9/8/21 2:38 PM, Harold Manifold wrote: > > > > Here is a picture of a fix for cracked engine mounts an experienced > > Healey restorer recommended for my car. I was advised it is not > > unusual for cracks to appear around the engine mounts. > > > > Simon ? you can?t wait until you remove the engine for this fix! > > > > Harold > > > > *From: *Bob Haskell via Healeys > > *Sent: *Wednesday, September 8, 2021 2:46 AM > > *To: *Bluehealey ; Autox Healeys > > > > *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels > > > > Alan, > > > > Cracking around the engine mount is a pretty common issue, although > > > > probably not to the point where the engine mount separates from the > > > > frame. A 20 year old BT7 I bought in 1980 had cracks around the mounts. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bob Haskell > > > > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > > > > On 9/8/21 4:13 AM, Bluehealey wrote: > > > > > Team. > > > > > Whilst this is an interesting topic and ?Lightened Flywheel? may have > > > > > some bragging rights potential, carrying out this mod does have a down > > > > > side. > > > > > The reduced flywheel mass creates a more pronounced engine reaction > > > > > force in the opposite direction. > > > > > I had a BJ8 almost 20 years ago which had a very light flywheel, poor > > > > > tick over and quick throttle response. It sounded good. However the > > > > > torque reaction was extreme enough to lift the engine mount tower out > > > > > of the chassis rails !! > > > > > The cracking in the pics have been highlighted with red sharpie for > > > > > clarity. > > > > > Enjoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan - from my iPad > > > > > > > > > >> On 8 Sep 2021, at 06:16, John Spaur via Healeys > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> ? > > > > >> > > > > >> More nitpicking. > > > > >> > > > > >> The density of gasoline is also determined by its temperature and > > > > >> chemical makeup. Premium unleaded gasoline has a higher density than > > > > >> regular unleaded. Ethanol has a higher density than gasoline without > > > > >> ethanol, so the percentage of ethanol needs to be factored in. > > > > >> Finally, gasoline is denser at colder temperatures than it is at > > > > >> higher temperatures. So please, take all of this into account when > > > > >> determining the fuel weight in your cars based on your location and > > > > >> the fuel available. > > > > >> > > > > >> I wonder if the lead content of gasoline increases its weight > > > > >> because, as we all know lead, is very heavy. Hahaha > > > > >> > > > > >> John Spaur > > > > >> > > > > >> *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of > > > > >> *Michael Oritt > > > > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 7, 2021 5:40 PM > > > > >> *To:* Keith Pennell > > > > >> *Cc:* healeys at autox.team.net > > > > >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels > > > > >> > > > > >> Keith-- > > > > >> > > > > >> Right you are (and wrong I am) but 6 x 6.3=20+/-which is still more > > > > >> than 5... > > > > >> > > > > >> Best--Michael Oritt > > > > >> > > > > >> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 7:53 PM llennep--- via Healeys > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Nitpicking me here . . .. .. . > > > > >> > > > > >> gallon of gasoline weighs a tad over 6 lbs > > > > >> > > > > >> :) > > > > >> > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> From: Michael Oritt via Healeys > > > >> > > > > > >> To: richard mayor > > > >> > > > > > >> Cc: healeys > > > > > > >> Sent: Tue, Sep 7, 2021 7:40 pm > > > > >> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Lightened flywheels > > > > >> > > > > >> I hesitate to nitpick but as to the statement that /"4 to 5 > > > > >> pounds off vehicle weight is really only the equivalent of half a > > > > >> tank of fuel" ///the last time I looked an AH fuel tank holds > > > > >> about 12 gallons and since gasoline weighs approximately 7.5 lbs > > > > >> per gallon half a tank weighs about 45 pounds. The defense > > rests.... > > > > >> > > > > >> Best--Michael Oritt > > > > >> > > > > >> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 6:00 PM richard mayor via Healeys > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Michael, > > > > >> > > > > >> Comparing the weight of fuel in the gas tank to rotational > > > > >> mass is like comparing apples to bananas. > > > > >> > > > > >> Richard > > > > >> > > > > >> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 2:24 PM Michael Salter > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> The total mass of the flywheel is not completely relevant > > > > >> insofar as engine moment of inertia is concerned. > > > > >> > > > > >> What is important is the mass removed times the square of > > > > >> the radius, so just how much weight has been removed per > > > > >> se is not important. > > > > >> > > > > >> Secondly removing rotational inertia is not always the > > > > >> best thing to do, if it was you can be assured that > > > > >> manufacturers would be all over it as a way to save money. > > > > >> > > > > >> The rotational mass is often designed in to protect the > > > > >> drive train, in particular the gearbox. > > > > >> > > > > >> Read this: > > > > >> > > > https://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/2017/01/03/austin-healey-100-crank-failures/ > > > > >> > > < > https://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/2017/01/03/austin-healey-100-crank-failures/ > > > > > > >> > > > > >> Thirdly lightening a flywheel in of itself has very > > > > >> little effect on acceleration. An engine with a lightened > > > > >> flywheel may accelerate to 6000 RPM 1 - 2 seconds more > > > > >> quickly but that doesn't necessarily equate to 1-2 > > > > >> seconds faster to 60 MPH. You may be able to shift > > > > >> marginally faster if the gearbox can stand the extra > > > > >> loads and the 4 to 5 pounds off vehicle weight is really > > > > >> only the equivalent of half a tank of fuel. (Who ever > > > > >> notices that their car accelerates more quickly with a > > > > >> half full gas tank). > > > > >> > > > > >> Just sayin' > > > > >> > > > > >> M > > > > >> > > > > >> On Tue., Sep. 7, 2021, 4:17 p.m. Earl Kagna via Healeys, > > > > >> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> I have Bill Bolton lightened flywheels in both my > > > > >> Healeys. According to Kent Lambert, who took over > > > > >> Bills Healey business awhile back, the stock weight > > > > >> (6 cyl) is 28.5 pounds, and Bills machining program > > > > >> reduced them to 24. > > > > >> > > > > >> Both of my cars run just fine, no problems at all in > > > > >> the 20 + or so years that I?ve had them installed. > > > > >> > > > > >> Earl Kagna > > > > >> > > > > >> Victoria BC > > > > >> > > > > >> BJ8, BT7 tri-carb > > > > >> > > > > >> *From:*Healeys > > > >> > *On Behalf > > > > >> Of *richard mayor > > > > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 7, 2021 10:23 AM > > > > >> *To:* healeys > > > >> > > > > > >> *Subject:* [Healeys] Lightened flywheels > > > > >> > > > > >> 6 cylinder flywheels vary slightly but are all > > > > >> generally in the 29 pound range. Very aggressive > > > > >> machine work can get the weight down to the 22-23 > > > > >> pound range. > > > > >> > > > > >> How much weight you take off will affect your driving > > > > >> style. To maintain the feel of a stock Healey while > > > > >> still improving the engines response, I suggest > > > > >> removing no more than 3 pounds. > > > > >> > > > > >> Richard > > > > >> > > > > >> > > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > >> > > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > >> > > > > >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > >> > > > > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > > > > >> > > > > >> http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Healeys at autox.team.net > > > > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> 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Also was a sectioned roof panel used or a complete panel fabricated for the car. Reason is to start with known sizes of these items to use as a size ( not necessarily shape) for the mockup. Without access to the DMH car gathering this information would be the next best option. Let me know if you are willing to share and what no disclosure forms I need to sign! ?? Perry Sent from my iPhone From michaelsalter at gmail.com Fri Sep 10 06:57:34 2021 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 08:57:34 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Healey Coupe In-Reply-To: <1AAD0974-391A-46EC-87CB-84092514CA91@aol.com> References: <1AAD0974-391A-46EC-87CB-84092514CA91.ref@aol.com> <1AAD0974-391A-46EC-87CB-84092514CA91@aol.com> Message-ID: At one stage I had aspirations to build a replica of ONX113 but eventually decided that it would be more than I would be capable of. I concluded, after actually examining the original pretty closely that the windshield was probably from an Austin A30 or A35. The rear glass however I had no luck finding anything like it in the Austi range. M On Fri., Sep. 10, 2021, 8:35 a.m. Perry Small via Healeys, < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > To all Listers and learned AH keepers of the obscure. > I set this out over a year ago but did not get much feedback > ?Looks like a newer version of a 100 Coupe may be in the works, at least > the data collection and planning stages. > I know that this question has been asked previously but the answers to the > question has been kept from most of us. I suspect the reason is to keep > replica?s of the original from being produced. > Question: what is the original source of the glass and frames (windscreen, > back glass and door/sides) Used on the DMH car. 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I changed the jets on both carbs but haven?t been thrilled with the performance ever since. Although it has been satisfactory just not as good as before. The only thing I have checked so far was the oil in the carburetor, which was OK I did notice quite a bit of dirt in the fuel filter. I suspect that could be at least part of the problem if not the whole problem. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdavid890dd at aol.com Sat Sep 11 15:01:42 2021 From: wdavid890dd at aol.com (wdavid890dd at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2021 21:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 14, Issue 322 sputtering Healey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1061207633.595642.1631394102755@mail.yahoo.com> Sir,????? I'd start with the fuel system.I'd replace the fuel filter and perhaps even drain your tank. It may be stagnant from sitting a long time.The tank itself could also be causing the clogging issue.Classic dirty fuel filter is loss of power and bucking going up a hill. Cheers, Dave Walsh -----Original Message----- From: healeys-request at autox.team.net To: healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Sep 11, 2021 1:00 pm Subject: Healeys Digest, Vol 14, Issue 322 Send Healeys mailing list submissions to ??? healeys at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? healeys-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? healeys-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Healeys digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Engine problem (Leonard Berkowitz) #yiv7231034773 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}I just took my Healey out for a drive on a spectacular day. ?All was going very well for most of the drive when it suddenly started to sputter and lose power. I haven?t started to diagnose yet so I just would like some thoughts as to what may be the cause. The engine was completely rebuilt about 20,000 mils ago and has was running beautifully until the float to jet pipe on the rear carburator sprung a leak. ?I changed the jets on both carbs but haven?t been thrilled with the performance ever since. ?Although it has been satisfactory just not as good as before. The only thing I have checked so far was the oil in the carburetor, which was OK ?I did notice quite a bit of dirt in the fuel filter. I suspect that could be at least part of the problem if not the whole problem. Any thoughts would be appreciated.? 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URL: From drtommitch at gmail.com Sat Sep 11 17:07:39 2021 From: drtommitch at gmail.com (Tom Mitchell) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2021 19:07:39 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 14, Issue 322 sputtering Healey In-Reply-To: <1061207633.595642.1631394102755@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1061207633.595642.1631394102755@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Please don't forget the carb filters/screens and possible dirt in the float bowl's On Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 5:02 PM david walsh via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Sir, > I'd start with the fuel system. > I'd replace the fuel filter and perhaps even drain your tank. It may be > stagnant from sitting a long time. > The tank itself could also be causing the clogging issue. > Classic dirty fuel filter is loss of power and bucking going up a hill. > > Cheers, > > Dave Walsh > > > -----Original Message----- > From: healeys-request at autox.team.net > To: healeys at autox.team.net > Sent: Sat, Sep 11, 2021 1:00 pm > Subject: Healeys Digest, Vol 14, Issue 322 > > Send Healeys mailing list submissions to > healeys at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > healeys-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > healeys-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Healeys digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Engine problem (Leonard Berkowitz) > I just took my Healey out for a drive on a spectacular day. All was going > very well for most of the drive when it suddenly started to sputter and > lose power. I haven?t started to diagnose yet so I just would like some > thoughts as to what may be the cause. The engine was completely rebuilt > about 20,000 mils ago and has was running beautifully until the float to > jet pipe on the rear carburator sprung a leak. I changed the jets on both > carbs but haven?t been thrilled with the performance ever since. Although > it has been satisfactory just not as good as before. The only thing I have > checked so far was the oil in the carburetor, which was OK I did notice > quite a bit of dirt in the fuel filter. I suspect that could be at least > part of the problem if not the whole problem. 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Cheers, Curtis Carlsbad, CA [image: PLINTH PAD] PLINTH PAD $5.29 PART #APPLICATION 021-772 BN2 as fitted In Stock QTY - ADD TO CART - SAVE TO MY LIST Customers who bought this also bought: - [image: Hella Vision Headlamp Replacement Bulb] Hella Vision Headlamp Replacement Bulb $6.3 1. - GIFT CERTIFICATES - REQUEST A CATALOG - SAVE 10% FOR A YEAR - ORDERING & SHIPPING INFO SIGN UP FOR E-NEWS SIGN UP [image: Moss Motors] CONTACT US - Sales: 800-667-7872 <1-800-667-7872> - Customer Service: 800-689-9313 <1-800-689-9313> - Tech: 805-681-3411 <1-805-681-3411> - Local: 805-681-3400 <1-805-681-3400> - CA Fax: 805-692-2525 - VA Fax: 888-220-0717 - Address & Hours of Operation - *Company Status* CUSTOMER SERVICE - About Us - Ordering & Shipping - Returns & Refunds - Customer Loyalty - 2-Year Warranty - Apply for Wholesale - Gift Certificates - Your Account RESOURCE CENTER - Website Tips - Find Car Events - Find a Car Club - Club Donations & Sponsorships - Moss Motoring - Car Cut-Outs - Logos - Careers TECH CENTER - MossTV Tech Videos - Download Catalog - Reference Materials - Tech Tips - Car Specs - Vehicle Identification - How-To Guides [image: Moss Miata Logo] MossMiata.com [image: Moss Classic Jaguar] MossMotors.com/Jaguar - [image: Visa Icon] - [image: Mastercard Icon] - [image: Amex Icon] - [image: Discover] - [image: SEMA ARMO Member] Terms of Use/Privacy/Security ? 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Copyright 2021 Moss Motors, Ltd FEEDBACK On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 2:05 AM Patrick & Caroline Quinn via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Hello > > > > Is there a secret to the fitting of the reflector plinth rubbers to later > BN1s and BN2? > > > > Also fitted to the BN3. > > > > Just spent two hours trying to fit new ones and had great success in > damaging the rubber. > > > > Hoo Roo > > > > Patrick Quinn > > Blue Mountains, Australia > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Curtis Carlsbad, CA [image: image.png] On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 8:10 AM Curtis Arndt wrote: > Patrick, > > I don't know what type you have as I believe that they were made by > several different vendors over the years. > > However, I believe that it's recommended to cut the rubber in between the > two holes. > > Cheers, > > Curtis > Carlsbad, CA > > [image: PLINTH PAD] > PLINTH PAD > $5.29 > PART #APPLICATION > 021-772 BN2 as fitted > > > In Stock > > > > QTY > > - ADD TO CART > - SAVE TO MY LIST > > > Customers who bought this also bought: > > - [image: Hella Vision Headlamp Replacement Bulb] > Hella > Vision Headlamp Replacement Bulb > > $6.3 > > > 1. > > > > - GIFT CERTIFICATES > - REQUEST A CATALOG > - SAVE 10% FOR A YEAR > - ORDERING & SHIPPING INFO > > SIGN UP FOR E-NEWS > SIGN UP > [image: Moss Motors] > CONTACT US > > - Sales: 800-667-7872 <1-800-667-7872> > - Customer Service: 800-689-9313 <1-800-689-9313> > - Tech: 805-681-3411 <1-805-681-3411> > - Local: 805-681-3400 <1-805-681-3400> > - CA Fax: 805-692-2525 > - VA Fax: 888-220-0717 > - Address & Hours of Operation > > - *Company Status* > > CUSTOMER SERVICE > > - About Us > - Ordering & Shipping > - Returns & Refunds > - Customer Loyalty > - 2-Year Warranty > - Apply for Wholesale > - Gift Certificates > - Your Account > > RESOURCE CENTER > > - Website Tips > - Find Car Events > - Find a Car Club > - Club Donations & Sponsorships > > - Moss Motoring > - Car Cut-Outs > - Logos > - Careers > > TECH CENTER > > - MossTV Tech Videos > - Download Catalog > - Reference Materials > - Tech Tips > - Car Specs > - Vehicle Identification > - How-To Guides > > [image: Moss Miata Logo] MossMiata.com > > > [image: Moss Classic Jaguar] > MossMotors.com/Jaguar > > > > > - [image: Visa Icon] > - [image: Mastercard Icon] > - [image: Amex Icon] > - [image: Discover] > - [image: SEMA ARMO Member] > > Terms of Use/Privacy/Security > > ? 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Copyright 2021 Moss Motors, Ltd > FEEDBACK > > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 2:05 AM Patrick & Caroline Quinn via Healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Hello >> >> >> >> Is there a secret to the fitting of the reflector plinth rubbers to later >> BN1s and BN2? >> >> >> >> Also fitted to the BN3. >> >> >> >> Just spent two hours trying to fit new ones and had great success in >> damaging the rubber. >> >> >> >> Hoo Roo >> >> >> >> Patrick Quinn >> >> Blue Mountains, Australia >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As for the 'sleeves,' use soapy water or glycerine--got any Astroglide lying around?--and a popsickle stick or similar small, blunt instrument to 'feed' the housing into the rubber (carefully). I'd heard that the repop reflector housings and 'sleeves'--what're they called?--were sub-par but, years ago there was a fellow down south CA who worked for Pratt&Whitney designing jet engines who made correct housings from spun brass and triple chrome plated them (and made the rubber 'sleeves' from molds from originals). Anyone know if this fellow is still around? IIRC, he contacted me offline and was going design and make steering gear worms but I never heard from him about them. Bob On 9/12/2021 2:02 AM, Patrick & Caroline Quinn via Healeys wrote: > > Hello > > Is there a secret to the fitting of the reflector plinth rubbers to > later BN1s and BN2? > > Also fitted to the BN3. > > Just spent two hours trying to fit new ones and had great success in > damaging the rubber. > > Hoo Roo > > Patrick Quinn > > Blue Mountains, Australia > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1207.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 68095 bytes Desc: not available URL: From boyracer466 at gmail.com Sun Sep 12 10:24:08 2021 From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (richard mayor) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2021 09:24:08 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] For The Man In Command Message-ID: [image: b953ffa9ee005ff2504443f9b2afd868.jpg] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course married life is not for everyone.?Perry -----Original Message----- From: richard mayor via Healeys To: healeys Sent: Sun, Sep 12, 2021 12:24 pm Subject: [Healeys] For The Man In Command _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyguy at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Attached is a photo of the pads and plinths from the BN3. I am thinking of cutting the rubber to allow it to stretch around the plinth. Any gaps noticed externally could be filled with silicon rubber from a tube. Any other suggestions? Many thanks Patrick Quinn Blue Mountains, Australia From: Curtis Arndt [mailto:cnaarndt at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 13 September 2021 1:11 AM To: Patrick & Caroline Quinn Cc: Healey List Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 Reflector Plinth Pads Patrick, I don't know what type you have as I believe that they were made by several different vendors over the years. However, I believe that it's recommended to cut the rubber in between the two holes. Cheers, Curtis Carlsbad, CA PLINTH PAD PLINTH PAD $5.29 PART # APPLICATION 021-772 BN2 as fitted In Stock QTY1 ? ADD TO CART ? SAVE TO MY LIST Customers who bought this also bought: ? Hella Vision Headlamp Replacement Bulb Hella Vision Headlamp Replacement Bulb $6.3 1. ? GIFT CERTIFICATES ? REQUEST A CATALOG ? 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Copyright 2021 Moss Motors, Ltd FEEDBACK On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 2:05 AM Patrick & Caroline Quinn via Healeys wrote: Hello Is there a secret to the fitting of the reflector plinth rubbers to later BN1s and BN2? Also fitted to the BN3. Just spent two hours trying to fit new ones and had great success in damaging the rubber. Hoo Roo Patrick Quinn Blue Mountains, Australia _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think a bit > of fiddling would align them better, but it seemed a small matter in > the course of a 10-year restoration (now I'll have to go back and > 'fix' this ;). I don't recall any issues, it's just a couple #10 > studs, right? As for the 'sleeves,' use soapy water or glycerine--got > any Astroglide lying around?--and a popsickle stick or similar small, > blunt instrument to 'feed' the housing into the rubber (carefully). > > I'd heard that the repop reflector housings and 'sleeves'--what're > they called?--were sub-par but, years ago there was a fellow down > south CA who worked for Pratt&Whitney designing jet engines who made > correct housings from spun brass and triple chrome plated them (and > made the rubber 'sleeves' from molds from originals). Anyone know if > this fellow is still around? IIRC, he contacted me offline and was > going design and make steering gear worms but I never heard from him > about them. > > Bob > > > On 9/12/2021 2:02 AM, Patrick & Caroline Quinn via Healeys wrote: >> >> Hello >> >> Is there a secret to the fitting of the reflector plinth rubbers to >> later BN1s and BN2? >> >> Also fitted to the BN3. >> >> Just spent two hours trying to fit new ones and had great success in >> damaging the rubber. >> >> Hoo Roo >> >> Patrick Quinn >> >> Blue Mountains, Australia >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net > From rchaskell at earthlink.net Mon Sep 13 05:48:40 2021 From: rchaskell at earthlink.net (Bob Haskell) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 07:48:40 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] FW: Badges In-Reply-To: <012e01d7a751$e423f3f0$ac6bdbd0$@rr.com> References: <012e01d7a751$e423f3f0$ac6bdbd0$@rr.com> Message-ID: Steve, David Matthews recently asked me about this organization - You can see the club's emblem on the bulletin board behind the Sprite being driven around the world on page 182 of Geoff Healey's book "More Healeys". Cheers, Bob Haskell Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar On 9/11/21 5:13 PM, BJ8Healeys wrote: > > ?Reunion? for Healey owners in 1956??? Anyone know anything about the > organization shown on these? > > https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/pts/d/yorba-linda-austin-healey-rally-badges/7369690288.html?lang=da > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell at earthlink.net > From bspidell at comcast.net Mon Sep 13 07:44:56 2021 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 06:44:56 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] 100 Reflector Plinth Pads In-Reply-To: References: <009201d7a7b4$f23d3b50$d6b7b1f0$@tpg.com.au> Message-ID: Could be; it's been quite a while since I acquired these. My memory is vague--news flash!--but I thought he said he'd worked at P&W. Also, I think my plinths are original--did anybody even make reproductions?--but I don't think they are brass; probably pot metal (but it's a BN2/100M). Bob On 9/13/2021 4:44 AM, Bob Haskell wrote: > Bob, > > I think you're thinking of Craig Rice who retired from Allison Gas > Turbine in Indianapolis. He made the lens, housings and rubber bits, > and BN1 gearbox synchros.? I don't remember if he was going to make > new steering worm gears or remachine/reharden old ones. I'll ask the > next time I see him. > > Cheers, > > Bob Haskell > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > > On 9/12/21 12:10 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: >> Patrick, >> >> Which 'rubbers' are you referring to, the pads or the 'sleeves' that >> hold the reflectors? I got good quality pads from BCS. I think a bit >> of fiddling would align them better, but it seemed a small matter in >> the course of a 10-year restoration (now I'll have to go back and >> 'fix' this ;). I don't recall any issues, it's just a couple #10 >> studs, right? As for the 'sleeves,' use soapy water or glycerine--got >> any Astroglide lying around?--and a popsickle stick or similar small, >> blunt instrument to 'feed' the housing into the rubber (carefully). >> >> I'd heard that the repop reflector housings and 'sleeves'--what're >> they called?--were sub-par but, years ago there was a fellow down >> south CA who worked for Pratt&Whitney designing jet engines who made >> correct housings from spun brass and triple chrome plated them (and >> made the rubber 'sleeves' from molds from originals). Anyone know if >> this fellow is still around? IIRC, he contacted me offline and was >> going design and make steering gear worms but I never heard from him >> about them. >> >> Bob >> >> >> On 9/12/2021 2:02 AM, Patrick & Caroline Quinn via Healeys wrote: >>> >>> Hello >>> >>> Is there a secret to the fitting of the reflector plinth rubbers to >>> later BN1s and BN2? >>> >>> Also fitted to the BN3. >>> >>> Just spent two hours trying to fit new ones and had great success in >>> damaging the rubber. >>> >>> Hoo Roo >>> >>> Patrick Quinn >>> >>> Blue Mountains, Australia >>> >>> >> >> From healeydoc at gmail.com Mon Sep 13 09:57:18 2021 From: healeydoc at gmail.com (David Nock) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 08:57:18 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] 100 Reflector Plinth Pads In-Reply-To: References: <009201d7a7b4$f23d3b50$d6b7b1f0$@tpg.com.au> Message-ID: Here is a photo that we have of an original pad David Nock healeydoc at sbcglobal.net 209 948 8767 www.britishcarspecialists.com Help us have our Founder Norman Nock inducteed into the British Sportscar Hall of Fame, You can vote for your favorites by visiting the site at. www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org -----Original Message----- From: Bob Spidell Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 6:44 AM To: Bob Haskell ; healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 Reflector Plinth Pads Could be; it's been quite a while since I acquired these. My memory is vague--news flash!--but I thought he said he'd worked at P&W. Also, I think my plinths are original--did anybody even make reproductions?--but I don't think they are brass; probably pot metal (but it's a BN2/100M). Bob On 9/13/2021 4:44 AM, Bob Haskell wrote: > Bob, > > I think you're thinking of Craig Rice who retired from Allison Gas Turbine > in Indianapolis. He made the lens, housings and rubber bits, and BN1 > gearbox synchros. I don't remember if he was going to make new steering > worm gears or remachine/reharden old ones. I'll ask the next time I see > him. > > Cheers, > > Bob Haskell > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > > On 9/12/21 12:10 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: >> Patrick, >> >> Which 'rubbers' are you referring to, the pads or the 'sleeves' that hold >> the reflectors? I got good quality pads from BCS. I think a bit of >> fiddling would align them better, but it seemed a small matter in the >> course of a 10-year restoration (now I'll have to go back and 'fix' this >> ;). I don't recall any issues, it's just a couple #10 studs, right? As >> for the 'sleeves,' use soapy water or glycerine--got any Astroglide lying >> around?--and a popsickle stick or similar small, blunt instrument to >> 'feed' the housing into the rubber (carefully). >> >> I'd heard that the repop reflector housings and 'sleeves'--what're they >> called?--were sub-par but, years ago there was a fellow down south CA who >> worked for Pratt&Whitney designing jet engines who made correct housings >> from spun brass and triple chrome plated them (and made the rubber >> 'sleeves' from molds from originals). Anyone know if this fellow is still >> around? IIRC, he contacted me offline and was going design and make >> steering gear worms but I never heard from him about them. >> >> Bob >> >> >> On 9/12/2021 2:02 AM, Patrick & Caroline Quinn via Healeys wrote: >>> >>> Hello >>> >>> Is there a secret to the fitting of the reflector plinth rubbers to >>> later BN1s and BN2? >>> >>> Also fitted to the BN3. >>> >>> Just spent two hours trying to fit new ones and had great success in >>> damaging the rubber. >>> >>> Hoo Roo >>> >>> Patrick Quinn >>> >>> Blue Mountains, Australia >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeydoc at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hoo Roo Patrick Quinn Blue Mountains, Australia -----Original Message----- From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Nock via Healeys Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2021 1:57 AM To: Bob Haskell; healeys at autox.team.net; Bob Spidell Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 Reflector Plinth Pads Here is a photo that we have of an original pad David Nock healeydoc at sbcglobal.net 209 948 8767 www.britishcarspecialists.com Help us have our Founder Norman Nock inducteed into the British Sportscar Hall of Fame, You can vote for your favorites by visiting the site at. www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org -----Original Message----- From: Bob Spidell Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 6:44 AM To: Bob Haskell ; healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 Reflector Plinth Pads Could be; it's been quite a while since I acquired these. My memory is vague--news flash!--but I thought he said he'd worked at P&W. Also, I think my plinths are original--did anybody even make reproductions?--but I don't think they are brass; probably pot metal (but it's a BN2/100M). Bob On 9/13/2021 4:44 AM, Bob Haskell wrote: > Bob, > > I think you're thinking of Craig Rice who retired from Allison Gas > Turbine in Indianapolis. He made the lens, housings and rubber bits, > and BN1 gearbox synchros. I don't remember if he was going to make > new steering worm gears or remachine/reharden old ones. I'll ask the > next time I see him. > > Cheers, > > Bob Haskell > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > > On 9/12/21 12:10 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: >> Patrick, >> >> Which 'rubbers' are you referring to, the pads or the 'sleeves' that >> hold the reflectors? I got good quality pads from BCS. I think a bit >> of fiddling would align them better, but it seemed a small matter in >> the course of a 10-year restoration (now I'll have to go back and >> 'fix' this ;). I don't recall any issues, it's just a couple #10 >> studs, right? As for the 'sleeves,' use soapy water or glycerine--got >> any Astroglide lying around?--and a popsickle stick or similar small, >> blunt instrument to 'feed' the housing into the rubber (carefully). >> >> I'd heard that the repop reflector housings and 'sleeves'--what're >> they called?--were sub-par but, years ago there was a fellow down >> south CA who worked for Pratt&Whitney designing jet engines who made >> correct housings from spun brass and triple chrome plated them (and >> made the rubber 'sleeves' from molds from originals). Anyone know if >> this fellow is still around? IIRC, he contacted me offline and was >> going design and make steering gear worms but I never heard from him about them. >> >> Bob >> >> >> On 9/12/2021 2:02 AM, Patrick & Caroline Quinn via Healeys wrote: >>> >>> Hello >>> >>> Is there a secret to the fitting of the reflector plinth rubbers to >>> later BN1s and BN2? >>> >>> Also fitted to the BN3. >>> >>> Just spent two hours trying to fit new ones and had great success in >>> damaging the rubber. >>> >>> Hoo Roo >>> >>> Patrick Quinn >>> >>> Blue Mountains, Australia >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeydoc at gmail.com From healeydoc at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 13 17:27:29 2021 From: healeydoc at sbcglobal.net (David Nock BCS) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 16:27:29 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] 100 Reflector Plinth Pads In-Reply-To: <006801d7a8f5$0b0d64c0$21282e40$@tpg.com.au> References: <009201d7a7b4$f23d3b50$d6b7b1f0$@tpg.com.au> <006801d7a8f5$0b0d64c0$21282e40$@tpg.com.au> Message-ID: The originals were not sided. We do have some that are sided and do not require the cutting. They have a little different cross section but work. David Nock healeydoc at sbcglobal.net 209 948 8767 www.britishcarspecialists.com Help us have our Founder Norman Nock inducteed into the British Sportscar Hall of Fame, You can vote for your favorites by visiting the site at. www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org -----Original Message----- From: Patrick & Caroline Quinn Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 4:14 PM To: 'David Nock' ; healeys at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Healeys] 100 Reflector Plinth Pads Hello Thank you David. The photo tells me exactly what I need to know and how the replacements need to be cut. Hoo Roo Patrick Quinn Blue Mountains, Australia -----Original Message----- From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Nock via Healeys Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2021 1:57 AM To: Bob Haskell; healeys at autox.team.net; Bob Spidell Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 Reflector Plinth Pads Here is a photo that we have of an original pad David Nock healeydoc at sbcglobal.net 209 948 8767 www.britishcarspecialists.com Help us have our Founder Norman Nock inducteed into the British Sportscar Hall of Fame, You can vote for your favorites by visiting the site at. www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org -----Original Message----- From: Bob Spidell Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 6:44 AM To: Bob Haskell ; healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 Reflector Plinth Pads Could be; it's been quite a while since I acquired these. My memory is vague--news flash!--but I thought he said he'd worked at P&W. Also, I think my plinths are original--did anybody even make reproductions?--but I don't think they are brass; probably pot metal (but it's a BN2/100M). Bob On 9/13/2021 4:44 AM, Bob Haskell wrote: > Bob, > > I think you're thinking of Craig Rice who retired from Allison Gas > Turbine in Indianapolis. He made the lens, housings and rubber bits, > and BN1 gearbox synchros. I don't remember if he was going to make > new steering worm gears or remachine/reharden old ones. I'll ask the > next time I see him. > > Cheers, > > Bob Haskell > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar > > On 9/12/21 12:10 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: >> Patrick, >> >> Which 'rubbers' are you referring to, the pads or the 'sleeves' that >> hold the reflectors? I got good quality pads from BCS. I think a bit >> of fiddling would align them better, but it seemed a small matter in >> the course of a 10-year restoration (now I'll have to go back and >> 'fix' this ;). I don't recall any issues, it's just a couple #10 >> studs, right? As for the 'sleeves,' use soapy water or glycerine--got >> any Astroglide lying around?--and a popsickle stick or similar small, >> blunt instrument to 'feed' the housing into the rubber (carefully). >> >> I'd heard that the repop reflector housings and 'sleeves'--what're >> they called?--were sub-par but, years ago there was a fellow down >> south CA who worked for Pratt&Whitney designing jet engines who made >> correct housings from spun brass and triple chrome plated them (and >> made the rubber 'sleeves' from molds from originals). Anyone know if >> this fellow is still around? IIRC, he contacted me offline and was >> going design and make steering gear worms but I never heard from him about them. >> >> Bob >> >> >> On 9/12/2021 2:02 AM, Patrick & Caroline Quinn via Healeys wrote: >>> >>> Hello >>> >>> Is there a secret to the fitting of the reflector plinth rubbers to >>> later BN1s and BN2? >>> >>> Also fitted to the BN3. >>> >>> Just spent two hours trying to fit new ones and had great success in >>> damaging the rubber. >>> >>> Hoo Roo >>> >>> Patrick Quinn >>> >>> Blue Mountains, Australia >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeydoc at gmail.com From stmiller96 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 15 11:06:25 2021 From: stmiller96 at hotmail.com (S and T Miller) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 17:06:25 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] 100 air intake strap Message-ID: At the AHSTC Encounter last week, I noticed something I hadn't noticed before on a concours BN2. A strap holding the air intake tube directly behind the grill and attached to a grill mounting stud. I had checked some other resources and it seems this is correct. Is it simular to the strap that attaches the tube to the inner fender? Anyone have a picture of one? Is the finish black, silver, or other? TIA, Shawn The Millers "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test drive." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healey100m at me.com Wed Sep 15 11:36:16 2021 From: healey100m at me.com (Randy Hicks) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 13:36:16 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] 100 air intake strap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Shawn, is theis the bracket you are referring to? I have it on both sides of my 100M?s (because of the air hose to cold air box) but would be only on the right side of a std. BN1/2. Randy Randy Hicks Publisher, Austin-Healey Concours Registry Technical Guidelines RandyHicks at me.com AHCA 100 Registrar ahca100registrar at gmail.com www.austinhealey100m.com Left side Right Side On Sep 15, 2021, at 1:06 PM, S and T Miller via Healeys wrote: > > At the AHSTC Encounter last week, I noticed something I hadn't noticed before on a concours BN2. A strap holding the air intake tube directly behind the grill and attached to a grill mounting stud. I had checked some other resources and it seems this is correct. Is it simular to the strap that attaches the tube to the inner fender? Anyone have a picture of one? Is the finish black, silver, or other? > TIA, Shawn > > The Millers > > "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test drive." > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey100m at me.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Left Side CAB Intake HoseBracket.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 79271 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Randy Randy Hicks Publisher, Austin-Healey Concours Registry Technical Guidelines RandyHicks at me.com AHCA 100 Registrar ahca100registrar at gmail.com www.austinhealey100m.com Left side Right Side [cid:A0369E17-F276-42CE-B687-B4F13E2DFFEA] [cid:098855CC-21C1-4C2C-B01B-28D5CE6EAC85] On Sep 15, 2021, at 1:06 PM, S and T Miller via Healeys > wrote: At the AHSTC Encounter last week, I noticed something I hadn't noticed before on a concours BN2. A strap holding the air intake tube directly behind the grill and attached to a grill mounting stud. I had checked some other resources and it seems this is correct. Is it simular to the strap that attaches the tube to the inner fender? Anyone have a picture of one? Is the finish black, silver, or other? 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That gives me a good picture of what I want to replicate. Thanks, again Shawn The Millers "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test drive." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Hicks Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 1:36 PM To: S and T Miller Cc: Healey List Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 air intake strap Shawn, is theis the bracket you are referring to? I have it on both sides of my 100M?s (because of the air hose to cold air box) but would be only on the right side of a std. BN1/2. Randy Randy Hicks Publisher, Austin-Healey Concours Registry Technical Guidelines RandyHicks at me.com AHCA 100 Registrar ahca100registrar at gmail.com www.austinhealey100m.com Left side Right Side On Sep 15, 2021, at 1:06 PM, S and T Miller via Healeys wrote: At the AHSTC Encounter last week, I noticed something I hadn't noticed before on a concours BN2. A strap holding the air intake tube directly behind the grill and attached to a grill mounting stud. I had checked some other resources and it seems this is correct. Is it simular to the strap that attaches the tube to the inner fender? Anyone have a picture of one? Is the finish black, silver, or other? 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Price Lindsay Cell: 630-841-6300 Email: 050.rpl at gmail.com Sent from my iPhone From healey.nut at gmail.com Thu Sep 16 20:06:27 2021 From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 10:06:27 +0800 Subject: [Healeys] BJ 8 Carb Needles In-Reply-To: <3F519192-0317-46C2-81B6-69E759AB7E77@gmail.com> References: <3F519192-0317-46C2-81B6-69E759AB7E77@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Price - Yeah there are two balls in there, a big one and a small one. They don't move much. Grose jets are very good provided you have decent fuel filter keeping dirt out of the carbs... otherwise they are useless. Also Grose jets don't do all that well if the car sits for long periods. I actually found the old style jets are a bit less finicky, but you do need to tap the carbs with a plastic mallot from time to time to keep them from overflowing. Best, Alan On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 11:11 PM R. Lindsay via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > I installed the Grose-Jet needle assembly in my carbs some time back. When > disassembling the float chambers to clean them, I see that the ball in the > bottom moves VERY little, but does rattle. Is this type of valve supposed > to move up like the old ?needle and seat? type?? > > Thank you for your help. > > Price Lindsay > > Cell: 630-841-6300 > Email: 050.rpl at gmail.com > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 050.rpl at gmail.com Fri Sep 17 07:37:45 2021 From: 050.rpl at gmail.com (R. Lindsay) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 09:37:45 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] BJ 8 Carb Needles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you Alan. Price Lindsay Cell: 630-841-6300 Email: 050.rpl at gmail.com Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 16, 2021, at 10:06 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote: > > ? > Hi Price - > > Yeah there are two balls in there, a big one and a small one. They don't move much. Grose jets are very good provided you have decent fuel filter keeping dirt out of the carbs... otherwise they are useless. Also Grose jets don't do all that well if the car sits for long periods. I actually found the old style jets are a bit less finicky, but you do need to tap the carbs with a plastic mallot from time to time to keep them from overflowing. > > Best, > > Alan > >> On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 11:11 PM R. Lindsay via Healeys wrote: >> I installed the Grose-Jet needle assembly in my carbs some time back. When disassembling the float chambers to clean them, I see that the ball in the bottom moves VERY little, but does rattle. Is this type of valve supposed to move up like the old ?needle and seat? type?? >> >> Thank you for your help. >> >> Price Lindsay >> >> Cell: 630-841-6300 >> Email: 050.rpl at gmail.com >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Fri Sep 17 09:29:07 2021 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 08:29:07 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] BJ 8 Carb Needles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Always the contrarian, and FWIW I've run Grose Jets in my BJ8 with no fuel filter for well over 100K miles with no issues. OTOH, I got a newer set for my BN2 and didn't like the way they operated (the little ball on top would get stuck). Rumor has it the company was bought out and quality suffered (shocking, I know--looking at you, County). I'm not a big believer in fuel filters for Healeys; I figure anything that gets by the little brass 'thimbles' in the carbs will settle in the float bowls or pass through; better to invest in a clean tank and new lines if necessary. I cut my Ranger's fuel filter open at over 100K miles, and all I found was some tiny black flakes, which I figured came from the plastic tank (filters are absolutely necessary in FI engines). Bob On 9/17/2021 6:37 AM, R. Lindsay via Healeys wrote: > Thank you Alan. > > Price Lindsay > > Cell: 630-841-6300 > Email: 050.rpl at gmail.com > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 16, 2021, at 10:06 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote: >> >> ? >> Hi Price - >> >> Yeah there are two balls in there, a big one and a small one.? They >> don't move much. Grose jets are very good provided you have decent >> fuel filter keeping dirt out of the carbs... otherwise they are >> useless.? Also Grose jets don't do all that well if the car sits for >> long periods. I actually found the old style jets are a bit less >> finicky, but you do need to tap the carbs with a plastic mallot from >> time to time to keep them from overflowing. >> >> Best, >> >> Alan >> >> On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 11:11 PM R. Lindsay via Healeys >> > wrote: >> >> I installed the Grose-Jet needle assembly in my carbs some time >> back. When disassembling the float chambers to clean them, I see >> that the ball in the bottom moves VERY little, but does rattle. >> Is this type of valve supposed to move up like the old ?needle >> and seat? type?? >> >> Thank you for your help. >> >> Price Lindsay >> >> Cell: 630-841-6300 >> Email: 050.rpl at gmail.com >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Suggested annual donation? $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bspidell at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 050.rpl at gmail.com Fri Sep 17 10:34:38 2021 From: 050.rpl at gmail.com (R. Lindsay) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 12:34:38 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] BJ 8 Carb Needles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1F7ED166-B90D-41BB-979F-03546B47592A@gmail.com> Thanks Bob. Price Lindsay Cell: 630-841-6300 Email: 050.rpl at gmail.com Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 17, 2021, at 11:30 AM, Bob Spidell wrote: > > ? Always the contrarian, and FWIW I've run Grose Jets in my BJ8 with no fuel filter for well over 100K miles with no issues. OTOH, I got a newer set for my BN2 and didn't like the way they operated (the little ball on top would get stuck). Rumor has it the company was bought out and quality suffered (shocking, I know--looking at you, County). > > I'm not a big believer in fuel filters for Healeys; I figure anything that gets by the little brass 'thimbles' in the carbs will settle in the float bowls or pass through; better to invest in a clean tank and new lines if necessary. I cut my Ranger's fuel filter open at over 100K miles, and all I found was some tiny black flakes, which I figured came from the plastic tank (filters are absolutely necessary in FI engines). > > Bob > > On 9/17/2021 6:37 AM, R. Lindsay via Healeys wrote: >> Thank you Alan. >> >> Price Lindsay >> >> Cell: 630-841-6300 >> Email: 050.rpl at gmail.com >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 16, 2021, at 10:06 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Hi Price - >>> >>> Yeah there are two balls in there, a big one and a small one. They don't move much. Grose jets are very good provided you have decent fuel filter keeping dirt out of the carbs... otherwise they are useless. Also Grose jets don't do all that well if the car sits for long periods. I actually found the old style jets are a bit less finicky, but you do need to tap the carbs with a plastic mallot from time to time to keep them from overflowing. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 11:11 PM R. Lindsay via Healeys wrote: >>>> I installed the Grose-Jet needle assembly in my carbs some time back. When disassembling the float chambers to clean them, I see that the ball in the bottom moves VERY little, but does rattle. Is this type of valve supposed to move up like the old ?needle and seat? type?? >>>> >>>> Thank you for your help. >>>> >>>> Price Lindsay >>>> >>>> Cell: 630-841-6300 >>>> Email: 050.rpl at gmail.com >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>> >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> >>>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com >>>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bspidell at comcast.net >> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/050.rpl at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.fawcett at cox.net Sat Sep 18 12:35:05 2021 From: m.fawcett at cox.net (Mark Fawcett) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2021 11:35:05 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Not getting emails Message-ID: Noticed a serious drop-off of email activity the last few days. Anyone else? Mark Fawcett -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ahbn6 at verizon.net Sat Sep 18 12:53:18 2021 From: ahbn6 at verizon.net (ahbn6 at verizon.net) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2021 14:53:18 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Not getting emails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002201d7acbe$72a4b6c0$57ee2440$@verizon.net> There has been a drop off on visits to my site also. Perhaps everyone is out enjoying their cars. John Sims www.healey6.com Matawan, NJ From: Healeys On Behalf Of Mark Fawcett Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 2:35 PM To: Healey List Subject: [Healeys] Not getting emails Noticed a serious drop-off of email activity the last few days. Anyone else? 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Anyone > else? > > Mark Fawcett > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/phoenix722 at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healeyguy at aol.com Sat Sep 18 14:43:03 2021 From: healeyguy at aol.com (Perry Small) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2021 16:43:03 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Not getting emails In-Reply-To: <67534aa4-0c90-e729-0f85-4f8c7b928b6f@comcast.net> References: <67534aa4-0c90-e729-0f85-4f8c7b928b6f@comcast.net> Message-ID: <50F7BFE2-35D5-401D-A0A6-43EEF74180D3@aol.com> Not much activity here?. Perry Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2021, at 4:02 PM, Mike Sinclair wrote: > > ? > Indeed true. But the rains have arrived in the NW! > > Mike > > On 9/18/2021 11:53 AM, ahbn6--- via Healeys wrote: >> There has been a drop off on visits to my site also. Perhaps everyone is out enjoying their cars. >> >> John Sims >> www.healey6.com >> Matawan, NJ >> >> From: Healeys On Behalf Of Mark Fawcett >> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 2:35 PM >> To: Healey List >> Subject: [Healeys] Not getting emails >> >> Noticed a serious drop-off of email activity the last few days. Anyone else? >> >> Mark Fawcett >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/phoenix722 at comcast.net >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyguy at aol.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Sat Sep 18 19:54:20 2021 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2021 18:54:20 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] 100 Windshield Bolt Message-ID: <2a32e24d-5be7-3743-289c-87eadbb255fa@comcast.net> Since the List is moribund; I'll throw this out: Anyone know where to get the correct 'shouldered bolt' and screw for the driver (LHD) side windshield securing knob? The correct one is left-hand thread; but my dad didn't know that and drilled the original out. Here's the Moss replacement, which is right-hand thread: https://mossmotors.com/bolt-shouldered-with-screw From healeydoc at gmail.com Sat Sep 18 20:21:08 2021 From: healeydoc at gmail.com (David Nock) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2021 19:21:08 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] 100 Windshield Bolt In-Reply-To: <2a32e24d-5be7-3743-289c-87eadbb255fa@comcast.net> References: <2a32e24d-5be7-3743-289c-87eadbb255fa@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4193E0A3-4908-4D2E-9A3C-55E69FAFCAB7@gmail.com> Got it in stock. David Nock Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2021, at 6:56 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: > > ?Since the List is moribund; I'll throw this out: Anyone know where to get the correct 'shouldered bolt' and screw for the driver (LHD) side windshield securing knob? The correct one is left-hand thread; but my dad didn't know that and drilled the original out. Here's the Moss replacement, which is right-hand thread: > > https://mossmotors.com/bolt-shouldered-with-screw > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeydoc at gmail.com > From michaelsalter at gmail.com Sat Sep 18 21:44:54 2021 From: michaelsalter at gmail.com (Michael Salter) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2021 23:44:54 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] 100 Windshield Bolt In-Reply-To: <2a32e24d-5be7-3743-289c-87eadbb255fa@comcast.net> References: <2a32e24d-5be7-3743-289c-87eadbb255fa@comcast.net> Message-ID: Wait, wait, wait ... the shouldered bolt is right hand thread on both sides however early cars were BSF thread and later cars UNF thread. The little screw that goes into the end of the bolt to prevent the knurled knob from being unscrewed before removing said little screw was left hand thread. Actually a great idea but engineeringly poor because a decent crank on the knurled knob could fairly easily shear off the little screw. I believe most of the repro screws use a right hand thread for the little screw with a touch of Loctite. Actually turned up a pair yesterday from stainless steel. M On Sat., Sep. 18, 2021, 9:55 p.m. Bob Spidell, wrote: > Since the List is moribund; I'll throw this out: Anyone know where to > get the correct 'shouldered bolt' and screw for the driver (LHD) side > windshield securing knob? The correct one is left-hand thread; but my > dad didn't know that and drilled the original out. Here's the Moss > replacement, which is right-hand thread: > > https://mossmotors.com/bolt-shouldered-with-screw > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Sat Sep 18 21:48:38 2021 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2021 20:48:38 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] 100 Windshield Bolt In-Reply-To: References: <2a32e24d-5be7-3743-289c-87eadbb255fa@comcast.net> Message-ID: re: " ... said little screw was left hand thread ..." What he said. But, I need to replace both. BCS came through (again). Bob On 9/18/2021 8:44 PM, Michael Salter wrote: > Wait, wait, wait ... the shouldered bolt is right hand thread on both > sides however early cars were BSF thread and later cars UNF thread. > The little screw that goes into the end of the bolt to prevent the > knurled knob from being unscrewed before removing said little screw > was left hand thread. > Actually a great idea but engineeringly poor because a decent crank on > the knurled knob could fairly easily shear off the little screw. > I believe most of the repro screws use a right hand thread for the > little screw with a touch of Loctite. > Actually turned up a pair yesterday from stainless steel. > > M > > > On Sat., Sep. 18, 2021, 9:55 p.m. Bob Spidell, > wrote: > > Since the List is moribund; I'll throw this out: Anyone know where to > get the correct 'shouldered bolt' and screw for the driver (LHD) side > windshield securing knob? The correct one is left-hand thread; but my > dad didn't know that and drilled the original out. Here's the Moss > replacement, which is right-hand thread: > > https://mossmotors.com/bolt-shouldered-with-screw > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation? $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Sun Sep 19 14:23:32 2021 From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 21:23:32 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] New clutch query Message-ID: <000001d7ad94$3ac58ff0$b050afd0$@alexarevel.plus.com> You'll recall the Overdrive saga. Have decided not to commission a TV mini-series per someone's advice. 1) The overdrive is in and works very well. I haven't tested the pressure yet - I will - but it clicks in and out very briskly. 2) The new clutch kit is in. Hard to get the old bits off until I borrowed that magic tool. Used the black nylon(?) tool from AHSpares as so much handier than the spare original shaft. 3) Putting the gearbox back in was pretty tedious. It would go in all the way except for the last 3 or 4 inches. Took it out again and checked the alignment was 100% which it was. Put it back in, pushed, shoved and cursed. In the end we wound it on with long threaded bolts. I don't want to put in another clutch. Ever. 4) Now, finally, the QUESTIONS:- Initially, getting the car into any gear was very graunchy and really the car would have been undriveable. Pedal pressure felt the same as before but nothing was happening except expensive noise. Although there was no evidence of a loss of fluid - why would there be? - I bled the clutch. I have fitted the extension tube so it wasn't tricky. That did make a difference but not to the way it was previously. So (1) Is it normal for clutches to be difficult at first? A sort of "breaking-in" period?? (2) I'll bleed it again but am drawn to getting a longer push rod for the slave cylinder. Does that make sense? I do have to push the pedal down pretty far. Comments? (3) Slightly off topic..digging around in my files, I saw a suggestion to cut the head off the top bolt that locates the slave cylinder. Then to Loctite in permanently for use as a dowel peg. ie that bolt is a bit of a PITA and one bolt would suffice. Wouldn't it?? All advice would be very welcome, Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.oritt at gmail.com Sun Sep 19 15:15:16 2021 From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 17:15:16 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] New clutch query In-Reply-To: <000001d7ad94$3ac58ff0$b050afd0$@alexarevel.plus.com> References: <000001d7ad94$3ac58ff0$b050afd0$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: Simon-- I cut the head off one bolt to make it easier to R&R the secondary cylinder. I also fashioned a small door in the extension panel to give access to the bleed nipple from inside rather than only under the car. Best--Michael Oritt On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 4:23 PM Simon Lachlan via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > You?ll recall the Overdrive saga. Have decided not to commission a TV > mini-series per someone?s advice. > > 1) The overdrive is in and works very well. I haven?t tested the pressure > yet ? I will ? but it clicks in and out very briskly. > > 2) The new clutch kit is in. Hard to get the old bits off until I borrowed > that magic tool. Used the black nylon(?) tool from AHSpares as so much > handier than the spare original shaft. > > 3) Putting the gearbox back in was pretty tedious. It would go in all the > way except for the last 3 or 4 inches. Took it out again and checked the > alignment was 100% which it was. Put it back in, pushed, shoved and cursed. > In the end we wound it on with long threaded bolts. I don?t want to put in > another clutch. Ever. > > 4) Now, finally, the QUESTIONS:- > > Initially, getting the car into any gear was very graunchy and really the > car would have been undriveable. Pedal pressure felt the same as before but > nothing was happening except expensive noise. > > Although there was no evidence of a loss of fluid ? why would there be? ? > I bled the clutch. I have fitted the extension tube so it wasn?t tricky. > That did make a difference but not to the way it was previously. > > So (1) Is it normal for clutches to be difficult at first? A sort of > ?breaking-in? period?? > > (2) I?ll bleed it again but am drawn to getting a longer push rod for the > slave cylinder. Does that make sense? I do have to push the pedal down > pretty far. Comments? > > (3) Slightly off topic??digging around in my files, I saw a suggestion to > cut the head off the top bolt that locates the slave cylinder. Then to > Loctite in permanently for use as a dowel peg. ie that bolt is a bit of a > PITA and one bolt would suffice. Wouldn?t it?? > > All advice would be very welcome, > > Simon > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com > > -- Best--Michael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From manifold at telus.net Sun Sep 19 17:40:19 2021 From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 16:40:19 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] New clutch query In-Reply-To: References: <000001d7ad94$3ac58ff0$b050afd0$@alexarevel.plus.com>, Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boyracer466 at gmail.com Sun Sep 19 17:52:16 2021 From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (richard mayor) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 16:52:16 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] New clutch query In-Reply-To: References: <000001d7ad94$3ac58ff0$b050afd0$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: My first thought was that if you were having to force the gearbox when it was 3 to 4 inches away from home, it may be the spines in the clutch disc and the input shaft were causing some interference. This should have been an easy slip fit. Did you lubricate the spines? Test fit the disc on the input shaft? Installing a gearbox should not be a tedious affair. Or, you did not get the disc properly aligned using the little plastic tool. There is a lot of wiggle room for error. I've found that an old input shaft works better than the plastic ones for getting good alignment. That brings me to my next observation. If for some reason the clutch disc is hanging up on the input shaft it will not disengage as smoothly as it should. Is this your problem? It's not clear to me what you mean when you say "difficult clutch". I have never heard of any need to break-in a clutch. On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 2:15 PM Michael Oritt via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Simon-- > > I cut the head off one bolt to make it easier to R&R the secondary > cylinder. I also fashioned a small door in the extension panel to give > access to the bleed nipple from inside rather than only under the car. > > Best--Michael Oritt > > On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 4:23 PM Simon Lachlan via Healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> You?ll recall the Overdrive saga. Have decided not to commission a TV >> mini-series per someone?s advice. >> >> 1) The overdrive is in and works very well. I haven?t tested the pressure >> yet ? I will ? but it clicks in and out very briskly. >> >> 2) The new clutch kit is in. Hard to get the old bits off until I >> borrowed that magic tool. Used the black nylon(?) tool from AHSpares as so >> much handier than the spare original shaft. >> >> 3) Putting the gearbox back in was pretty tedious. It would go in all the >> way except for the last 3 or 4 inches. Took it out again and checked the >> alignment was 100% which it was. Put it back in, pushed, shoved and cursed. >> In the end we wound it on with long threaded bolts. I don?t want to put in >> another clutch. Ever. >> >> 4) Now, finally, the QUESTIONS:- >> >> Initially, getting the car into any gear was very graunchy and really the >> car would have been undriveable. Pedal pressure felt the same as before but >> nothing was happening except expensive noise. >> >> Although there was no evidence of a loss of fluid ? why would there be? ? >> I bled the clutch. I have fitted the extension tube so it wasn?t tricky. >> That did make a difference but not to the way it was previously. >> >> So (1) Is it normal for clutches to be difficult at first? A sort of >> ?breaking-in? period?? >> >> (2) I?ll bleed it again but am drawn to getting a longer push rod for the >> slave cylinder. Does that make sense? I do have to push the pedal down >> pretty far. Comments? >> >> (3) Slightly off topic??digging around in my files, I saw a suggestion to >> cut the head off the top bolt that locates the slave cylinder. Then to >> Loctite in permanently for use as a dowel peg. ie that bolt is a bit of a >> PITA and one bolt would suffice. Wouldn?t it?? >> >> All advice would be very welcome, >> >> Simon >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com >> >> > > -- > Best--Michael > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/boyracer466 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gradea1 at charter.net Sun Sep 19 19:36:07 2021 From: gradea1 at charter.net (gradea1 at charter.net) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 01:36:07 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] New clutch query Message-ID: <4d007e6be5726a59d165bfff740169a281574892@webmail> Hopefully, you have the correct parts! In the early MKI/MKII series cars there were several different clutch plates as well as a couple of different bell housings. There is one bell housing that does not fit one of the clutch pressure plates and rubs (expensive noise you describe). Since you used your original bell, you should insure that you got the correct PP. It's real important, now-a-days, to check that the parts removed IDENTICALLY match the ones that you are now putting on. I don't trust any newly manufactured items unless the match the original. After inserting the gearbox, properly aligned, you should only have to close up about 1/2" or less bell to block with the proper original bolts. One other thought, if you used the fingered/hung on TO pressure plate, it is possible to damage it if you let the weight of the gearbox lay on it before it was fully home. If you used the standard spring unit that would not be the issue. Hank -----------------------------------------From: "Simon Lachlan via Healeys" To: "Healeys" Cc: Sent: Sunday September 19 2021 1:24:33PM Subject: [Healeys] New clutch query You?ll recall the Overdrive saga. Have decided not to commission a TV mini-series per someone?s advice. 1) The overdrive is in and works very well. I haven?t tested the pressure yet ? I will ? but it clicks in and out very briskly. 2) The new clutch kit is in. Hard to get the old bits off until I borrowed that magic tool. Used the black nylon(?) tool from AHSpares as so much handier than the spare original shaft. 3) Putting the gearbox back in was pretty tedious. It would go in all the way except for the last 3 or 4 inches. Took it out again and checked the alignment was 100% which it was. Put it back in, pushed, shoved and cursed. In the end we wound it on with long threaded bolts. I don?t want to put in another clutch. Ever. 4) Now, finally, the QUESTIONS:- Initially, getting the car into any gear was very graunchy and really the car would have been undriveable. Pedal pressure felt the same as before but nothing was happening except expensive noise. Although there was no evidence of a loss of fluid ? why would there be? ? I bled the clutch. I have fitted the extension tube so it wasn?t tricky. That did make a difference but not to the way it was previously. So (1) Is it normal for clutches to be difficult at first? A sort of ?breaking-in? period?? (2) I?ll bleed it again but am drawn to getting a longer push rod for the slave cylinder. Does that make sense? I do have to push the pedal down pretty far. Comments? (3) Slightly off topic??digging around in my files, I saw a suggestion to cut the head off the top bolt that locates the slave cylinder. Then to Loctite in permanently for use as a dowel peg. ie that bolt is a bit of a PITA and one bolt would suffice. Wouldn?t it?? All advice would be very welcome, Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Sun Sep 19 19:49:06 2021 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 18:49:06 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] New clutch query In-Reply-To: References: <000001d7ad94$3ac58ff0$b050afd0$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: <40306807-7f6d-eef9-6981-f4f7be15d61f@comcast.net> A couple random thoughts: - do the special (read: expensive) 'dowel bolts' make a difference on installation? Anyone know the real purpose of these? - what shape is your clutch M/C in? Bob On 9/19/2021 2:15 PM, Michael Oritt via Healeys wrote: > Simon-- > > I cut the head off one bolt to make it easier to R&R the secondary > cylinder. I also fashioned a small door in the?extension?panel to give > access to the bleed nipple from inside rather than only under the car. > > Best--Michael Oritt > > On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 4:23 PM Simon Lachlan via Healeys > > wrote: > > You?ll recall the Overdrive saga. Have decided not to commission? > a TV mini-series per someone?s advice. > > 1) The overdrive is in and works very well. I haven?t tested the > pressure yet ? I will ? but it clicks in and out very briskly. > > 2) The new clutch kit is in. Hard to get the old bits off until I > borrowed that magic tool. Used the black nylon(?) tool from > AHSpares as so much handier than the spare original shaft. > > 3) Putting the gearbox back in was pretty tedious. It would go in > all the way except for the last 3 or 4 inches. Took it out again > and checked the alignment was 100% which it was. Put it back in, > pushed, shoved and cursed. In the end we wound it on with long > threaded bolts. I don?t want to put in another clutch. Ever. > > 4) Now, finally, the QUESTIONS:- > > Initially, getting the car into any gear was very graunchy and > really the car would have been undriveable. Pedal pressure felt > the same as before but nothing was happening except expensive noise. > > Although there was no evidence of a loss of fluid ? why would > there be? ? I bled the clutch. I have fitted the extension tube so > it wasn?t tricky. That did make a difference but not to the way it > was previously. > > So (1) Is it normal for clutches to be difficult at first? A sort > of ?breaking-in? period?? > > (2) I?ll bleed it again but am drawn to getting a longer push rod > for the slave cylinder. Does that make sense? I do have to push > the pedal down pretty far. Comments? > > (3) Slightly off topic??digging around in my files, I saw a > suggestion to cut the head off the top bolt that locates the slave > cylinder. Then to Loctite in permanently for use as a dowel peg. > ie that bolt is a bit of a PITA and one bolt would suffice. > Wouldn?t it?? > > All advice would be very welcome, > > Simon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca Sun Sep 19 23:07:11 2021 From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 01:07:11 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] FW: New clutch query References: <000001d7ad94$3ac58ff0$b050afd0$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: <004501d7addd$5e954ee0$1bbfeca0$@sympatico.ca> Simon, hate to say it, but the clutch should work perfectly after it is installed, there is no ?break-in?. The trouble you had getting the g?box in is troubling. If everything is aligned it should slip in easily. I presume, when installing, you put it in gear and rotated the drive flange to get the shaft splines to align with the clutch plate. I would never pull it together by winding it on with bolts. Your description that the graunchy noises when shifting are expensive sounding is likely correct, so it sounds to me that the gearbox should come out again and a thorough inspection is warranted. In addition to checking that the clutch disc slides on the first motion shaft splines before assembly, I also always check that the pilot bush fits correctly on the end of the shaft. If these fit correctly and the alignment is good, the g?box should slip in easily. Now, you may have to destroy the bush to get it out of the flywheel, but they are inexpensive and the peace of mind (never mind the effort to re&re the g?box again) makes it worthwhile to do. The pilot bearing should be lightly greased before assembly ? I use a molybdenum grease, which I also use sparingly on the splines ? don?t put so much on that it flies off and contaminates the clutch plate). I agree with Richard that a spare first motion shaft is a better alignment tool than a plastic substitute. Also, ensure that the bell housing to engine bolts are correctly located. There are two special bolts called ?dowel bolts? (they have their own part number that is different to the other bolts) that are more precisely machined to locate the bell housing/gearbox accurately on the rear engine plate. They can be identified by a shallow groove that is machined into the shank just below the head. They go in the top left (11 o?clock) and bottom right (5:25) holes (looking at the rear on the motor). See the note on page 97 of the Originality Guide (2018) for a full description. I don?t think the workshop manual adequately describes these, thinking it is covered under ?replacement is the reverse of removal?; but you have to be pretty observant to note these two bolts on removal! Three years ago I had an issue with a new Borg&Beck clutch plate and had my g?box in and out 3 times, so I know how you are feeling, but something is wrong and you need to get it right. When it is together again, bolt the driver?s seat back in and test drive it before putting the rest of the interior in; it saves a bit of work if there is a problem. Lastly, don?t cut the head of the top slave cylinder bolt. I can guarantee you that if this was acceptable engineering practice the accountants at the factory would have insisted it be done. The slave cylinder needs to be securely fastened to the bell housing and one bolt is not sufficient. I have probably had mine off 4, maybe 5 times in 45 years of ownership, so if it takes me an extra 10 minutes to remove, so what? If extracting inaccessible bolts is a big issue, don?t buy an English car! (I just had to re&re the rear drain pipe from the intake manifold ? that is another fun one!). Good luck! Mirek From: Healeys > On Behalf Of richard mayor via Healeys Sent: September 19, 2021 7:52 PM To: Michael Oritt > Cc: Healeys > Subject: Re: [Healeys] New clutch query My first thought was that if you were having to force the gearbox when it was 3 to 4 inches away from home, it may be the spines in the clutch disc and the input shaft were causing some interference. This should have been an easy slip fit. Did you lubricate the spines? Test fit the disc on the input shaft? Installing a gearbox should not be a tedious affair. Or, you did not get the disc properly aligned using the little plastic tool. There is a lot of wiggle room for error. I've found that an old input shaft works better than the plastic ones for getting good alignment. That brings me to my next observation. If for some reason the clutch disc is hanging up on the input shaft it will not disengage as smoothly as it should. Is this your problem? It's not clear to me what you mean when you say "difficult clutch". I have never heard of any need to break-in a clutch. On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 2:15 PM Michael Oritt via Healeys > wrote: Simon-- I cut the head off one bolt to make it easier to R&R the secondary cylinder. I also fashioned a small door in the extension panel to give access to the bleed nipple from inside rather than only under the car. Best--Michael Oritt On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 4:23 PM Simon Lachlan via Healeys > wrote: You?ll recall the Overdrive saga. Have decided not to commission a TV mini-series per someone?s advice. 1) The overdrive is in and works very well. I haven?t tested the pressure yet ? I will ? but it clicks in and out very briskly. 2) The new clutch kit is in. Hard to get the old bits off until I borrowed that magic tool. Used the black nylon(?) tool from AHSpares as so much handier than the spare original shaft. 3) Putting the gearbox back in was pretty tedious. It would go in all the way except for the last 3 or 4 inches. Took it out again and checked the alignment was 100% which it was. Put it back in, pushed, shoved and cursed. In the end we wound it on with long threaded bolts. I don?t want to put in another clutch. Ever. 4) Now, finally, the QUESTIONS:- Initially, getting the car into any gear was very graunchy and really the car would have been undriveable. Pedal pressure felt the same as before but nothing was happening except expensive noise. Although there was no evidence of a loss of fluid ? why would there be? ? I bled the clutch. I have fitted the extension tube so it wasn?t tricky. That did make a difference but not to the way it was previously. So (1) Is it normal for clutches to be difficult at first? A sort of ?breaking-in? period?? (2) I?ll bleed it again but am drawn to getting a longer push rod for the slave cylinder. Does that make sense? I do have to push the pedal down pretty far. Comments? (3) Slightly off topic??digging around in my files, I saw a suggestion to cut the head off the top bolt that locates the slave cylinder. Then to Loctite in permanently for use as a dowel peg. ie that bolt is a bit of a PITA and one bolt would suffice. Wouldn?t it?? All advice would be very welcome, Simon _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com -- Best--Michael _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/boyracer466 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca Sun Sep 19 23:09:48 2021 From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 01:09:48 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] FW: New clutch query References: <000001d7ad94$3ac58ff0$b050afd0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <40306807-7f6d-eef9-6981-f4f7be15d61f@comcast.net> Message-ID: <005401d7addd$bc2a5eb0$347f1c10$@sympatico.ca> I just posted on these. They are more accurately machined bolts that go in the top left and bottom right holes and ensue that the bell housing/gearbox are exactly aligned the rear engine plate. There is more clearance with a ?normal? bolt and conceivably there can be mis-alignment of the first motion shaft in the flywheel bush that results in bearing wear in the g?box. I figure if the factory went to the trouble of specifying these bolts, there was a reason for it, so always pay attention to it. See page 97 of the ?Originality Guide? (2018) ? which I assume EVERYONE has purchased from the Club?s Concours Registry. Cheers, Mirek From: Healeys > On Behalf Of Bob Spidell via Healeys Sent: September 19, 2021 9:49 PM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] New clutch query A couple random thoughts: - do the special (read: expensive) 'dowel bolts' make a difference on installation? Anyone know the real purpose of these? - what shape is your clutch M/C in? Bob On 9/19/2021 2:15 PM, Michael Oritt via Healeys wrote: Simon-- I cut the head off one bolt to make it easier to R&R the secondary cylinder. I also fashioned a small door in the extension panel to give access to the bleed nipple from inside rather than only under the car. Best--Michael Oritt On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 4:23 PM Simon Lachlan via Healeys > wrote: You?ll recall the Overdrive saga. Have decided not to commission a TV mini-series per someone?s advice. 1) The overdrive is in and works very well. I haven?t tested the pressure yet ? I will ? but it clicks in and out very briskly. 2) The new clutch kit is in. Hard to get the old bits off until I borrowed that magic tool. Used the black nylon(?) tool from AHSpares as so much handier than the spare original shaft. 3) Putting the gearbox back in was pretty tedious. It would go in all the way except for the last 3 or 4 inches. Took it out again and checked the alignment was 100% which it was. Put it back in, pushed, shoved and cursed. In the end we wound it on with long threaded bolts. I don?t want to put in another clutch. Ever. 4) Now, finally, the QUESTIONS:- Initially, getting the car into any gear was very graunchy and really the car would have been undriveable. Pedal pressure felt the same as before but nothing was happening except expensive noise. Although there was no evidence of a loss of fluid ? why would there be? ? I bled the clutch. I have fitted the extension tube so it wasn?t tricky. That did make a difference but not to the way it was previously. So (1) Is it normal for clutches to be difficult at first? A sort of ?breaking-in? period?? (2) I?ll bleed it again but am drawn to getting a longer push rod for the slave cylinder. Does that make sense? I do have to push the pedal down pretty far. Comments? (3) Slightly off topic??digging around in my files, I saw a suggestion to cut the head off the top bolt that locates the slave cylinder. Then to Loctite in permanently for use as a dowel peg. ie that bolt is a bit of a PITA and one bolt would suffice. Wouldn?t it?? All advice would be very welcome, Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josef-eckert at t-online.de Mon Sep 20 00:12:08 2021 From: josef-eckert at t-online.de (josef-eckert at t-online.de) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 08:12:08 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Healeys] FW: New clutch query In-Reply-To: <004501d7addd$5e954ee0$1bbfeca0$@sympatico.ca> References: <000001d7ad94$3ac58ff0$b050afd0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <004501d7addd$5e954ee0$1bbfeca0$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <1632118328115.2016767.b78e6e432ad194af32dc84aaf535c50bd6e17d17@spica.telekom.de> Hi Mirek, That?s a phantastic distcribtion of how to do get a gearbox in and what happens if you are not skilled enough and it goes wrong. Many thanks, I fully second your writing. Cheers, Josef Eckert Germany -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [Healeys] FW: New clutch query Datum: 2021-09-20T07:08:27+0200 Von: "m.g.sharp--- via Healeys" An: "'AH Mail List'" Simon, hate to say it, but the clutch should work perfectly after it is installed, there is no ?break-in?. The trouble you had getting the g?box in is troubling. If everything is aligned it should slip in easily. I presume, when installing, you put it in gear and rotated the drive flange to get the shaft splines to align with the clutch plate. I would never pull it together by winding it on with bolts. Your description that the graunchy noises when shifting are expensive sounding is likely correct, so it sounds to me that the gearbox should come out again and a thorough inspection is warranted. In addition to checking that the clutch disc slides on the first motion shaft splines before assembly, I also always check that the pilot bush fits correctly on the end of the shaft. If these fit correctly and the alignment is good, the g?box should slip in easily. Now, you may have to destroy the bush to get it out of the flywheel, but they are inexpensive and the peace of mind (never mind the effort to re&re the g?box again) makes it worthwhile to do. The pilot bearing should be lightly greased before assembly ? I use a molybdenum grease, which I also use sparingly on the splines ? don?t put so much on that it flies off and contaminates the clutch plate). I agree with Richard that a spare first motion shaft is a better alignment tool than a plastic substitute. Also, ensure that the bell housing to engine bolts are correctly located. There are two special bolts called ?dowel bolts? (they have their own part number that is different to the other bolts) that are more precisely machined to locate the bell housing/gearbox accurately on the rear engine plate. They can be identified by a shallow groove that is machined into the shank just below the head. They go in the top left (11 o?clock) and bottom right (5:25) holes (looking at the rear on the motor). See the note on page 97 of the Originality Guide (2018) for a full description. I don?t think the workshop manual adequately describes these, thinking it is covered under ?replacement is the reverse of removal?; but you have to be pretty observant to note these two bolts on removal! Three years ago I had an issue with a new Borg&Beck clutch plate and had my g?box in and out 3 times, so I know how you are feeling, but something is wrong and you need to get it right. When it is together again, bolt the driver?s seat back in and test drive it before putting the rest of the interior in; it saves a bit of work if there is a problem. Lastly, don?t cut the head of the top slave cylinder bolt. I can guarantee you that if this was acceptable engineering practice the accountants at the factory would have insisted it be done. The slave cylinder needs to be securely fastened to the bell housing and one bolt is not sufficient. I have probably had mine off 4, maybe 5 times in 45 years of ownership, so if it takes me an extra 10 minutes to remove, so what? If extracting inaccessible bolts is a big issue, don?t buy an English car! (I just had to re&re the rear drain pipe from the intake manifold ? that is another fun one!). Good luck! Mirek From: Healeys > On Behalf Of richard mayor via Healeys Sent: September 19, 2021 7:52 PM To: Michael Oritt > Cc: Healeys > Subject: Re: [Healeys] New clutch query My first thought was that if you were having to force the gearbox when it was 3 to 4 inches away from home, it may be the spines in the clutch disc and the input shaft were causing some interference. This should have been an easy slip fit. Did you lubricate the spines? Test fit the disc on the input shaft? Installing a gearbox should not be a tedious affair. Or, you did not get the disc properly aligned using the little plastic tool. There is a lot of wiggle room for error. I've found that an old input shaft works better than the plastic ones for getting good alignment. That brings me to my next observation. If for some reason the clutch disc is hanging up on the input shaft it will not disengage as smoothly as it should. Is this your problem? It's not clear to me what you mean when you say "difficult clutch". I have never heard of any need to break-in a clutch. On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 2:15 PM Michael Oritt via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net > wrote: Simon-- I cut the head off one bolt to make it easier to R&R the secondary cylinder. I also fashioned a small door in the extension panel to give access to the bleed nipple from inside rather than only under the car. Best--Michael Oritt On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 4:23 PM Simon Lachlan via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net > wrote: You?ll recall the Overdrive saga. Have decided not to commission a TV mini-series per someone?s advice. 1) The overdrive is in and works very well. I haven?t tested the pressure yet ? I will ? but it clicks in and out very briskly. 2) The new clutch kit is in. Hard to get the old bits off until I borrowed that magic tool. Used the black nylon(?) tool from AHSpares as so much handier than the spare original shaft. 3) Putting the gearbox back in was pretty tedious. It would go in all the way except for the last 3 or 4 inches. Took it out again and checked the alignment was 100% which it was. Put it back in, pushed, shoved and cursed. In the end we wound it on with long threaded bolts. I don?t want to put in another clutch. Ever. 4) Now, finally, the QUESTIONS:- Initially, getting the car into any gear was very graunchy and really the car would have been undriveable. Pedal pressure felt the same as before but nothing was happening except expensive noise. Although there was no evidence of a loss of fluid ? why would there be? ? I bled the clutch. I have fitted the extension tube so it wasn?t tricky. That did make a difference but not to the way it was previously. So (1) Is it normal for clutches to be difficult at first? A sort of ?breaking-in? period?? (2) I?ll bleed it again but am drawn to getting a longer push rod for the slave cylinder. Does that make sense? I do have to push the pedal down pretty far. Comments? (3) Slightly off topic??digging around in my files, I saw a suggestion to cut the head off the top bolt that locates the slave cylinder. Then to Loctite in permanently for use as a dowel peg. ie that bolt is a bit of a PITA and one bolt would suffice. Wouldn?t it?? All advice would be very welcome, Simon _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: Healeys at autox.team.net Unsubscribe/Manage: -- Best--Michael _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: Healeys at autox.team.net Unsubscribe/Manage: ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Mon Sep 20 07:07:11 2021 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 06:07:11 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] FW: New clutch query In-Reply-To: <004501d7addd$5e954ee0$1bbfeca0$@sympatico.ca> References: <000001d7ad94$3ac58ff0$b050afd0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <004501d7addd$5e954ee0$1bbfeca0$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <96f11c90-edbc-ee74-4544-b7931cf8849c@comcast.net> A bit off-topic, but while the bell housing is on the bench it might be a good idea to install thread inserts in the threaded holes that fix the slave cylinder bolts. These tend to get bunged-up with repeated R&R of the slave cylinder, and it's steel bolts into aluminium holes. I don't think I'd be comfortable with cutting the upper bolt's head off either; the slave cylinder is secured by tension and if any threads are exposed this could cause fretting on the slave cylinder hole (probably not an issue the way our cars are driven now, but over a hundred thousands of miles or so). Not mentioned so far is the lever that operates the release bearing; the shaft on which said lever pivots gets worn over time, allowing some side play. My BJ8's lever had noticeable side play at over 200K miles; my dad didn't think it was a big deal, but I figured it would keep me up at nights if I didn't replace it. It ended up being a bigger job than it should have been, given the parts available from the 'usual suspect.' Shipwright's Disease in action. On 9/19/2021 10:07 PM, m.g.sharp--- via Healeys wrote: > > Simon, hate to say it, but the clutch should work perfectly after it > is installed, there is no ?break-in?.? The trouble you had getting the > g?box in is troubling.? If everything is aligned it? should slip in > easily.? I presume, when installing, you put it in gear and rotated > the drive flange to get the shaft splines to align with the clutch > plate. ??I would never pull it together by winding it on with bolts. > ?Your description that the graunchy noises when shifting are expensive > sounding is likely correct, so it sounds to me that the gearbox should > come out again and a thorough inspection is warranted. > > In addition to checking that the clutch disc slides on the first > motion shaft splines _before _assembly, I also always check that the > pilot bush fits correctly on the end of the shaft.? If these fit > correctly and the alignment is good, the g?box should slip in easily.? > Now, you may have to destroy the bush to get it out of the flywheel, > but they are inexpensive and the peace of mind (never mind the effort > to re&re the g?box again) makes it worthwhile to do. The pilot bearing > should be lightly greased before assembly ? I use a molybdenum grease, > which I also use sparingly on the splines ? don?t put so much on that > it flies off and contaminates the clutch plate).? I agree with Richard > that a spare first motion shaft is a better alignment tool than a > plastic substitute. > > Also, ensure that the bell housing to engine bolts are correctly > located.? There are two special bolts called ?dowel bolts? (they have > their own part number that is different to the other bolts) that are > more precisely machined to locate the bell housing/gearbox accurately > on the rear engine plate. They can be identified by a shallow groove > that is machined into the shank just below the head.? They go in the > top left (11 o?clock) and bottom right (5:25) holes (looking at the > rear on the motor).? See the note on page 97 of the Originality Guide > (2018) for a full description.? I don?t think the workshop manual > adequately describes these, thinking it is covered under ?replacement > is the reverse of removal?; but you have to be pretty observant to > note these two bolts on removal! > > Three years ago I had an issue with a new Borg&Beck clutch plate and > had my g?box in and out 3 times, so I know how you are feeling, but > something is wrong and you need to get it right.? When it is together > again, bolt the driver?s seat back in and test drive it before putting > the rest of the interior in; it saves a bit of work if there is a problem. > > Lastly, don?t cut the head of the top slave cylinder bolt.? I can > guarantee you that if this was acceptable engineering practice the > accountants at the factory would have insisted it be done.? The slave > cylinder needs to be securely fastened to the bell housing and one > bolt is not sufficient.? I have probably had mine off 4, maybe 5 times > in 45 years of ownership, so if it takes me an extra 10 minutes to > remove, so what?? If extracting inaccessible bolts is a big issue, > don?t buy an English car!? (I just had to re&re the rear drain pipe > from the intake manifold ? that is another fun one!). > > Good luck! Mirek > > *From:*Healeys > *On Behalf Of *richard mayor > via Healeys > *Sent:* September 19, 2021 7:52 PM > *To:* Michael Oritt > > *Cc:* Healeys > > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] New clutch query > > My first thought was that if you were having to force the gearbox when > it was 3 to 4 inches away from home, it may be the spines in the > clutch disc and the input shaft were causing some interference.? This > should have been an easy slip fit.? Did you lubricate the spines?? > Test fit the disc on the input shaft? Installing a gearbox should not > be a tedious affair.? Or, you did not get the disc properly aligned > using the little plastic tool.? There is a lot of wiggle room for > error. I've found that an old input shaft works better than the > plastic ones for getting good alignment. > > That brings me to my next observation. If for some reason the clutch > disc is hanging up on the input shaft it will not disengage as > smoothly as it should.? Is this your problem?? It's not clear to me > what you mean when you say "difficult clutch". > > I? have never heard of any need to break-in a clutch. > > On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 2:15 PM Michael Oritt via Healeys > > wrote: > > Simon-- > > I cut the head off one bolt to make it easier to R&R the secondary > cylinder. I also fashioned a small door in the?extension?panel to > give access to the bleed nipple from inside rather than only under > the car. > > Best--Michael Oritt > > On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 4:23 PM Simon Lachlan via Healeys > > wrote: > > You?ll recall the Overdrive saga. Have decided not to > commission? a TV mini-series per someone?s advice. > > 1) The overdrive is in and works very well. I haven?t tested > the pressure yet ? I will ? but it clicks in and out very briskly. > > 2) The new clutch kit is in. Hard to get the old bits off > until I borrowed that magic tool. Used the black nylon(?) tool > from AHSpares as so much handier than the spare original shaft. > > 3) Putting the gearbox back in was pretty tedious. It would go > in all the way except for the last 3 or 4 inches. Took it out > again and checked the alignment was 100% which it was. Put it > back in, pushed, shoved and cursed. In the end we wound it on > with long threaded bolts. I don?t want to put in another > clutch. Ever. > > 4) Now, finally, the QUESTIONS:- > > Initially, getting the car into any gear was very graunchy and > really the car would have been undriveable. Pedal pressure > felt the same as before but nothing was happening except > expensive noise. > > Although there was no evidence of a loss of fluid ? why would > there be? ? I bled the clutch. I have fitted the extension > tube so it wasn?t tricky. That did make a difference but not > to the way it was previously. > > So (1) Is it normal for clutches to be difficult at first? A > sort of ?breaking-in? period?? > > (2) I?ll bleed it again but am drawn to getting a longer push > rod for the slave cylinder. Does that make sense? I do have to > push the pedal down pretty far. Comments? > > (3) Slightly off topic??digging around in my files, I saw a > suggestion to cut the head off the top bolt that locates the > slave cylinder. Then to Loctite in permanently for use as a > dowel peg. ie that bolt is a bit of a PITA and one bolt would > suffice. Wouldn?t it?? > > All advice would be very welcome, > > Simon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.oritt at gmail.com Mon Sep 20 07:29:49 2021 From: michael.oritt at gmail.com (Michael Oritt) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 09:29:49 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] New clutch query In-Reply-To: <40306807-7f6d-eef9-6981-f4f7be15d61f@comcast.net> References: <000001d7ad94$3ac58ff0$b050afd0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <40306807-7f6d-eef9-6981-f4f7be15d61f@comcast.net> Message-ID: I don't know if Mirek's Rey went to the list or just a few of us but he makes the excellent point that once oriented correctly the gearbox should snug up to the rear plate pretty easily and one definitely should not need to use 3" bolts to pull the gearbox into place. This suggests that either the pilot bushing was in some way damaged during earlier removal of the transmission or that the input shaft is of different pattern or dimensions than its predecessor. Please do not ask how I know.... Best-Michael Oritt On Sun, Sep 19, 2021, 9:49 PM Bob Spidell via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > A couple random thoughts: > > - do the special (read: expensive) 'dowel bolts' make a difference on > installation? Anyone know the real purpose of these? > > - what shape is your clutch M/C in? > > Bob > > > On 9/19/2021 2:15 PM, Michael Oritt via Healeys wrote: > > Simon-- > > I cut the head off one bolt to make it easier to R&R the secondary > cylinder. I also fashioned a small door in the extension panel to give > access to the bleed nipple from inside rather than only under the car. > > Best--Michael Oritt > > On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 4:23 PM Simon Lachlan via Healeys < > healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> You?ll recall the Overdrive saga. Have decided not to commission a TV >> mini-series per someone?s advice. >> >> 1) The overdrive is in and works very well. I haven?t tested the pressure >> yet ? I will ? but it clicks in and out very briskly. >> >> 2) The new clutch kit is in. Hard to get the old bits off until I >> borrowed that magic tool. Used the black nylon(?) tool from AHSpares as so >> much handier than the spare original shaft. >> >> 3) Putting the gearbox back in was pretty tedious. It would go in all the >> way except for the last 3 or 4 inches. Took it out again and checked the >> alignment was 100% which it was. Put it back in, pushed, shoved and cursed. >> In the end we wound it on with long threaded bolts. I don?t want to put in >> another clutch. Ever. >> >> 4) Now, finally, the QUESTIONS:- >> >> Initially, getting the car into any gear was very graunchy and really the >> car would have been undriveable. Pedal pressure felt the same as before but >> nothing was happening except expensive noise. >> >> Although there was no evidence of a loss of fluid ? why would there be? ? >> I bled the clutch. I have fitted the extension tube so it wasn?t tricky. >> That did make a difference but not to the way it was previously. >> >> So (1) Is it normal for clutches to be difficult at first? A sort of >> ?breaking-in? period?? >> >> (2) I?ll bleed it again but am drawn to getting a longer push rod for the >> slave cylinder. Does that make sense? I do have to push the pedal down >> pretty far. Comments? >> >> (3) Slightly off topic??digging around in my files, I saw a suggestion to >> cut the head off the top bolt that locates the slave cylinder. Then to >> Loctite in permanently for use as a dowel peg. ie that bolt is a bit of a >> PITA and one bolt would suffice. Wouldn?t it?? >> >> All advice would be very welcome, >> >> Simon >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Mon Sep 20 07:41:23 2021 From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 14:41:23 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] New Clutch query Message-ID: <000001d7ae25$34998be0$9dcca3a0$@alexarevel.plus.com> Thank you very much for the replies. All food for thought barring one which was just plain rude. Usual source. One thing I should have mentioned earlier.....the lightened flywheel. On the brief test drive I was most impressed. The car was more responsive and seemed to accelerate quite a bit better. Not possible to be too thorough as was concentrating on the clutch but first impressions are very favourable. So, thanks for the input there. As to the clutch. 1. I didn't really think it at all likely that there was a running-in period for clutches. I was just applying Sod's Law in reverse. 2. By "difficult clutch", I meant that I could not engage gear without an apparent clash of teeth unless I pumped the pedal several times. Hence the bleeding and the query about the "longer push rod". 3. On installation, I lined the clutch plate up with great care. I used the plastic thing but did check alignment with my spare, original, shaft. Particularly second time around. I cannot account for the reluctance to slide onto the shaft. I've had the box out twice before and, yes, it did go back in easily enough. 4. The new clutch (3 piece kit) itself is precisely the same as the original. Borg & Beck. Compared old with new on the counter at AHSpares. Identical. 5. I followed B&B's destructions to the letter. Applied grease etcetc. BMC manual was not particularly helpful as it rather harks back to the days when clutches were serviceable items. 6. The slave cylinder is OK. I serviced it when I put in the clutch-bleeding extension pipe about a year ago and it's been fine ever since. 7. Just to mention.the black, ribbed, rubber clutch pipe was renewed at same time. 8. The 2 dowel bolts are correctly placed. Unlike previously when there was only one but it had made no difference. 9. The cutting the head off the slave cylinder's top bolt originated from Norman Nock. He was always one of my top gurus so I thought it worth serious consideration. Of course, getting the newly beheaded bolt back in and tightened up with the appropriate locking goo would probably be more of a pain than simply putting in the top bolt per normal. Actually, it wasn't too bad this time around. Apart from rebleeding clutch and checking out the slave cylinder, it looks like it'll all have to come apart again. Unless someone's had an inspiration?? Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healeymanjim at hansencc.net Mon Sep 20 09:12:35 2021 From: healeymanjim at hansencc.net (=?utf-8?Q?healeymanjim?=) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 08:12:35 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] =?utf-8?q?clutch?= Message-ID: <20210920151235.29104.qmail@server278.com> i take a slightly longer bolt and run a nut up tight against the head which i use on the top bolt of the slave cylinder. this allows the head of the bolt to stick out enough so i can reach it from underneath. do not have to remove tunnel to get to it. From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca Mon Sep 20 11:29:44 2021 From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 13:29:44 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] New Clutch query In-Reply-To: <000001d7ae25$34998be0$9dcca3a0$@alexarevel.plus.com> References: <000001d7ae25$34998be0$9dcca3a0$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: <003201d7ae45$1a4adfd0$4ee09f70$@sympatico.ca> Thanks for the extra detail Simon, looks like you have the process well in hand. I don't think you will know why the g'box would not snug up to the rear plate unless you have it out again, especially since it went in OK the previous times. I have no explanation. If you have to pump the clutch to get a clean shift there is definitely air in the system. A longer pushrod will not help that, it will just position the piston in the slave cylinder in a different place - the amount of movement will remain the same. Good point from Bob on the helicoil for the slave cyl bolts, Also, the original bolts on mine did not extend all the way to the end of the threaded holes, so I installed longer bolts that do go all the way, but do not project into the bell housing as I believe there is little clearance between the pressure plate and the inside of the housing and you don't want it catching on the ends of long bolts! FYI, the clutch issue I had a few years back was with a new Borg&Beck clutch. B&B was taken over by new ownership a few years ago (it could have been quite a few) and the design of the clutch disc changed. The change was that on the originals, the springs that take up the torque were retained by a partial cage (disc on left in attached photo). In the new design they were fully enclosed (disc on right). This increased the thickness of the centre of the clutch plate minimally. However, it was enough that when I fully depressed the clutch pedal, the arms (levers) on the pressure plate fouled the spring cages on the clutch disc and made a hell of a racket. In the photo, you can see the marks in the fully enclosed spring housing on the new design where it was hitting the arms of the pressure plate. It worked OK and the shifting was fine, unless I fully depressed the clutch pedal. An NOS clutch disk kindly supplied by Mike Salter fixed the issue. Let us know how it goes Simon. Cheers, Mirek From: Healeys On Behalf Of Simon Lachlan via Healeys Sent: September 20, 2021 9:41 AM To: 'Healeys' Subject: [Healeys] New Clutch query Thank you very much for the replies. All food for thought barring one which was just plain rude. Usual source. One thing I should have mentioned earlier.....the lightened flywheel. On the brief test drive I was most impressed. The car was more responsive and seemed to accelerate quite a bit better. Not possible to be too thorough as was concentrating on the clutch but first impressions are very favourable. So, thanks for the input there. As to the clutch. 1. I didn't really think it at all likely that there was a running-in period for clutches. I was just applying Sod's Law in reverse. 2. By "difficult clutch", I meant that I could not engage gear without an apparent clash of teeth unless I pumped the pedal several times. Hence the bleeding and the query about the "longer push rod". 3. On installation, I lined the clutch plate up with great care. I used the plastic thing but did check alignment with my spare, original, shaft. Particularly second time around. I cannot account for the reluctance to slide onto the shaft. I've had the box out twice before and, yes, it did go back in easily enough. 4. The new clutch (3 piece kit) itself is precisely the same as the original. Borg & Beck. Compared old with new on the counter at AHSpares. Identical. 5. I followed B&B's destructions to the letter. Applied grease etcetc. BMC manual was not particularly helpful as it rather harks back to the days when clutches were serviceable items. 6. The slave cylinder is OK. I serviced it when I put in the clutch-bleeding extension pipe about a year ago and it's been fine ever since. 7. Just to mention.the black, ribbed, rubber clutch pipe was renewed at same time. 8. The 2 dowel bolts are correctly placed. Unlike previously when there was only one but it had made no difference. 9. The cutting the head off the slave cylinder's top bolt originated from Norman Nock. He was always one of my top gurus so I thought it worth serious consideration. Of course, getting the newly beheaded bolt back in and tightened up with the appropriate locking goo would probably be more of a pain than simply putting in the top bolt per normal. Actually, it wasn't too bad this time around. Apart from rebleeding clutch and checking out the slave cylinder, it looks like it'll all have to come apart again. Unless someone's had an inspiration?? Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: clutch plate gbox side.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2077663 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tomfelts at windstream.net Tue Sep 21 14:10:11 2021 From: tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 16:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Healeys] tranny installation--BJ8 Message-ID: <688418586.280919399.1632255011701.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> Try as two of us can, we could not get the tranny back in the car. Is there a specific position it has to be to mate? I heard the shifter at about the 10 oclock position but that didn't seem to work.tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomfelts at windstream.net Tue Sep 21 14:18:13 2021 From: tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 16:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Healeys] tranny installation--BJ8 In-Reply-To: <688418586.280919399.1632255011701.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> References: <688418586.280919399.1632255011701.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> Message-ID: <770391356.280942433.1632255493592.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> on another note----have any of you ever used 30W, non-detergent "lubricating" oil in the tranny? Or, must it be Motor oil"? ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Felts To: healeys Sent: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 16:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: tranny installation--BJ8 body {height: 100%; color:#000000; font-size:12pt; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;}Try as two of us can, we could not get the tranny back in the car. Is there a specific position it has to be to mate? I heard the shifter at about the 10 oclock position but that didn't seem to work. tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boyracer466 at gmail.com Tue Sep 21 15:18:28 2021 From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (richard mayor) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 14:18:28 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] tranny installation--BJ8 In-Reply-To: <688418586.280919399.1632255011701.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> References: <688418586.280919399.1632255011701.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> Message-ID: Can you be more specific? Not sure why you even have the shifter still attached. It can poke you in the eye. You just need to make sure the tranny is in one of the gears so you can rotate the output shaft if necessary to make the input shaft splines mate with the clutch splines. On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 1:11 PM Tom Felts via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Try as two of us can, we could not get the tranny back in the car. Is > there a specific position it has to be to mate? I heard the shifter at > about the 10 oclock position but that didn't seem to work. > > > > tom > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/boyracer466 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Tue Sep 21 15:34:16 2021 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 14:34:16 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] tranny installation--BJ8 In-Reply-To: References: <688418586.280919399.1632255011701.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> Message-ID: I've done this a few times;? IIRC it always takes a bit of fiddling to get them to mate up. How far out is it; an inch or so the first motion shaft is probably butting-up against the spigot bearing, any more and you might be facing the same issue Simon said he had? On 9/21/2021 2:18 PM, richard mayor via Healeys wrote: > Can you be more specific??? Not sure why you even have the shifter > still attached.? It can poke you in the eye. You just need to make > sure the tranny is in one of the gears so you can rotate the output > shaft if necessary to make the input shaft splines mate with the > clutch splines. > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 1:11 PM Tom Felts via Healeys > > wrote: > > Try as two of us can, we could not get the tranny back in the car. > Is there a specific position it has to be to mate?? I heard the > shifter at about the 10 oclock position but that didn't seem to work. > > > > tom > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frogeye at porterscustom.com Tue Sep 21 15:42:57 2021 From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 15:42:57 -0600 Subject: [Healeys] tranny installation--BJ8 In-Reply-To: References: <688418586.280919399.1632255011701.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> Message-ID: <67e5c962-7c19-8902-ac3b-f5ff3d07adc2@porterscustom.com> A light coat of oil on the splines aids the insertion.. after that it requires muscle for the first 1" to get parallelism of the splines... Muscle. On 9/21/2021 3:34 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: > I've done this a few times;? IIRC it always takes a bit of fiddling to > get them to mate up. How far out is it; an inch or so the first motion > shaft is probably butting-up against the spigot bearing, any more and > you might be facing the same issue Simon said he had? > > On 9/21/2021 2:18 PM, richard mayor via Healeys wrote: >> Can you be more specific??? Not sure why you even have the shifter >> still attached.? It can poke you in the eye. ? You just need to make >> sure the tranny is in one of the gears so you can rotate the output >> shaft if necessary to make the input shaft splines mate with the >> clutch splines. >> >> On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 1:11 PM Tom Felts via Healeys >> > wrote: >> >> Try as two of us can, we could not get the tranny back in the >> car. Is there a specific position it has to be to mate?? I heard >> the shifter at about the 10 oclock position but that didn't seem >> to work. >> >> >> >> tom >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/frogeye at porterscustom.com > -- Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM. 505-352-1378 My World go here: WWW.PORTERBIKES.COM/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Healeys On Behalf Of David P Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 2:43 PM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] tranny installation--BJ8 A light coat of oil on the splines aids the insertion.. after that it requires muscle for the first 1" to get parallelism of the splines... Muscle. On 9/21/2021 3:34 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: I've done this a few times; IIRC it always takes a bit of fiddling to get them to mate up. How far out is it; an inch or so the first motion shaft is probably butting-up against the spigot bearing, any more and you might be facing the same issue Simon said he had? On 9/21/2021 2:18 PM, richard mayor via Healeys wrote: Can you be more specific? Not sure why you even have the shifter still attached. It can poke you in the eye. You just need to make sure the tranny is in one of the gears so you can rotate the output shaft if necessary to make the input shaft splines mate with the clutch splines. On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 1:11 PM Tom Felts via Healeys > wrote: Try as two of us can, we could not get the tranny back in the car. Is there a specific position it has to be to mate? I heard the shifter at about the 10 oclock position but that didn't seem to work. tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/frogeye at porterscustom.com -- Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM. 505-352-1378 My World go here: WWW.PORTERBIKES.COM/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomfelts at windstream.net Tue Sep 21 19:48:13 2021 From: tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 21:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Healeys] tranny installation--BJ8 In-Reply-To: References: <688418586.280919399.1632255011701.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> Message-ID: <1179420968.281972641.1632275293268.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> IT IS IN!! thank all for your comments. Thete is a little trick that I learned to speed the process. I'll pass this on later Tired and going to bed ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Spidell To: healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 17:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] tranny installation--BJ8 I've done this a few times;? IIRC it always takes a bit of fiddling to get them to mate up. How far out is it; an inch or so the first motion shaft is probably butting-up against the spigot bearing, any more and you might be facing the same issue Simon said he had? On 9/21/2021 2:18 PM, richard mayor via Healeys wrote: > Can you be more specific??? Not sure why you even have the shifter > still attached.? It can poke you in the eye. You just need to make > sure the tranny is in one of the gears so you can rotate the output > shaft if necessary to make the input shaft splines mate with the > clutch splines. > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 1:11 PM Tom Felts via Healeys > > wrote: > > Try as two of us can, we could not get the tranny back in the car. > Is there a specific position it has to be to mate?? I heard the > shifter at about the 10 oclock position but that didn't seem to work. > > > > tom > From fsufan1952 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 23 09:58:28 2021 From: fsufan1952 at yahoo.com (fsufan1952 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 11:58:28 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch References: Message-ID: I just took on a project Healey to try and help out a Healey friend . It?s a 65 1/2 BJ8 with 54,000 original miles , original owner . Hasn?t run or moved for over 15 years. The motor turns over by hand . No battery yet . No rust , good interior, new top. I had it flat bedded to my place . The wheels turn , but with a lot of resistance. She wants me to get it running for her. I opened up the brake/clutch reservoir and it was bone dry . I filled it up and I was able to pump up and get a brake pedal. I?m sure I will be completely rebuilding the brake system. When I pushed the clutch pedal it wouldn?t move . Not sure why . Any thoughts? I?m sure I?ll be rebuilding both the master cylinder and just replacing the slave cylinder. Thanks , Right now more questions than answers . Don 1967 BJ-8 Sent from my iPhone From manifold at telus.net Thu Sep 23 10:32:24 2021 From: manifold at telus.net (Harold Manifold) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 09:32:24 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Clutch In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <2454D58A-468F-4879-AEC8-8C7430F53237@hxcore.ol> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tomfelts at windstream.net Thu Sep 23 19:10:07 2021 From: Tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 21:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Healeys] Bj8 tranny rear oil seal. Message-ID: <220317252.287324809.1632445807567.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> Can the rear oil seal of a bj8 tranny be changed while the tranny is in the car? From bspidell at comcast.net Thu Sep 23 19:33:00 2021 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 18:33:00 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Bj8 tranny rear oil seal. In-Reply-To: <220317252.287324809.1632445807567.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> References: <220317252.287324809.1632445807567.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> Message-ID: Nope. You gotta pull the flywheel. On 9/23/2021 6:10 PM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote: > Can the rear oil seal of a bj8 tranny be changed while the tranny is in the car? > From bspidell at comcast.net Thu Sep 23 20:11:00 2021 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 19:11:00 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Bj8 tranny rear oil seal. In-Reply-To: <220317252.287324809.1632445807567.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> References: <220317252.287324809.1632445807567.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> Message-ID: <1e3f5d20-5347-b31a-f42a-b241751baecf@comcast.net> My bad; I misread and thought we were referring to the rear engine seal. I think this is doable if you remove the driveshaft. On 9/23/2021 6:10 PM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote: > Can the rear oil seal of a bj8 tranny be changed while the tranny is in the car? > From rantal243 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 24 13:27:26 2021 From: rantal243 at yahoo.com (Richard Antal) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:27:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Healeys] Choke spring References: <905067072.1572989.1632511646483.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <905067072.1572989.1632511646483@mail.yahoo.com> Gents,???? I need a spring to attach to that lever on the HD8 carb which is raised by pulling out the choke. The lever fails to return to baseline when the choke is pushed in. Can anyone tell me where I might buy such a spring? Thank you.rich antal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com Fri Sep 24 13:47:05 2021 From: gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com (Richard Collins) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:47:05 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: Batteries and Longevity In-Reply-To: <2A6F26D3-5FC7-4498-A347-B5E79266671C@aol.com> References: <2A6F26D3-5FC7-4498-A347-B5E79266671C.ref@aol.com> <2A6F26D3-5FC7-4498-A347-B5E79266671C@aol.com> Message-ID: Went to shake the dust off my Healey yesterday in celebration of the arrival of the fall arrival driving season and dang, turned over barely once and then nada mas. Put a jump on it and off I went. Can?t complain however. The ?Autocraft Silver 26-R? I?ve been using since Oct 2008 finally gave in and passed away to battery heaven at the ripe old age of 13 years. Gotta give thanks to using a battery tender all those years. I have one for each of my cars. I highly recommend it. Now comes the decision of staying conventional or switching to an AGM battery. Any opinions out there ? Regards, Richard Collins BN7 #440 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bluehealey at gmail.com Fri Sep 24 13:52:42 2021 From: bluehealey at gmail.com (Bluehealey) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 20:52:42 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] Choke spring In-Reply-To: <905067072.1572989.1632511646483@mail.yahoo.com> References: <905067072.1572989.1632511646483@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5E12C2E8-10FF-4233-9D7E-5FD190AE9138@gmail.com> A compression spring from a retracting ball point pen will do the job. Alan - from my iPad > On 24 Sep 2021, at 20:28, Richard Antal via Healeys wrote: > > ? > Gents, > I need a spring to attach to that lever on the HD8 carb which is raised by pulling out the choke. The lever fails to return to baseline when the choke is pushed in. Can anyone tell me where I might buy such a spring? Thank you. > rich antal > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bluehealey at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Fri Sep 24 17:51:53 2021 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 16:51:53 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: Batteries and Longevity In-Reply-To: References: <2A6F26D3-5FC7-4498-A347-B5E79266671C.ref@aol.com> <2A6F26D3-5FC7-4498-A347-B5E79266671C@aol.com> Message-ID: <9b38ddcd-e3ba-941b-6b8a-eaa44a30c50e@comcast.net> I have one of these in my BJ8. Spins it over almost like a gear-reduction; needs a specific type of minder (note the CCA): https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/SLI24FAGMDP?storecode=313&locationofinterest=&locationphysical=1014019&utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=ecommpla&gclid=CjwKCAjwpMOIBhBAEiwAy5M6YIzQhN9NgxA03HTVsNRHD5jVGX0BNPIr5VmOIfrXchUyXbvZGu7-IRoC6ocQAvD_BwE Deka brand is the best 'conventional' I've found (and made in the 'States, unlike most others). All depends on how much you can to spend, but get sealed if you can. Bob On 9/24/2021 12:47 PM, Richard Collins via Healeys wrote: > >>> >>> Went to shake the dust off my Healey yesterday in celebration of the >>> arrival of the fall arrival driving season and dang, turned over >>> barely once and then nada mas. Put a jump on it and off I went. >>> Can?t complain however. The ?Autocraft Silver 26-R? I?ve been using >>> since Oct 2008 finally gave in and passed away to battery heaven at >>> the ripe old age of 13 years. >>> Gotta give thanks to using a battery tender all those years. I have >>> one for each of my cars. I highly recommend it. Now comes the >>> decision of staying conventional or switching to an AGM battery. >>> Any opinions out there ? >>> Regards, >>> Richard Collins >>> BN7 #440 >>> >>> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com Fri Sep 24 18:09:21 2021 From: gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com (Richard Collins) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 00:09:21 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: Batteries and Longevity In-Reply-To: <9b38ddcd-e3ba-941b-6b8a-eaa44a30c50e@comcast.net> References: <2A6F26D3-5FC7-4498-A347-B5E79266671C.ref@aol.com> <2A6F26D3-5FC7-4498-A347-B5E79266671C@aol.com> <9b38ddcd-e3ba-941b-6b8a-eaa44a30c50e@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks! I ended up at Sams Club and got a 3 yr warranty Delco for $80. Might get 10 years out of it :-) Regards, Richard C On Sep 24, 2021, at 18:52, Bob Spidell wrote: ? I have one of these in my BJ8. Spins it over almost like a gear-reduction; needs a specific type of minder (note the CCA): https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/SLI24FAGMDP?storecode=313&locationofinterest=&locationphysical=1014019&utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=ecommpla&gclid=CjwKCAjwpMOIBhBAEiwAy5M6YIzQhN9NgxA03HTVsNRHD5jVGX0BNPIr5VmOIfrXchUyXbvZGu7-IRoC6ocQAvD_BwE Deka brand is the best 'conventional' I've found (and made in the 'States, unlike most others). All depends on how much you can to spend, but get sealed if you can. Bob On 9/24/2021 12:47 PM, Richard Collins via Healeys wrote: Went to shake the dust off my Healey yesterday in celebration of the arrival of the fall arrival driving season and dang, turned over barely once and then nada mas. Put a jump on it and off I went. Can?t complain however. The ?Autocraft Silver 26-R? I?ve been using since Oct 2008 finally gave in and passed away to battery heaven at the ripe old age of 13 years. Gotta give thanks to using a battery tender all those years. I have one for each of my cars. I highly recommend it. Now comes the decision of staying conventional or switching to an AGM battery. Any opinions out there ? Regards, Richard Collins BN7 #440 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Richard From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Sun Sep 26 08:41:22 2021 From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 15:41:22 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] New Clutch query In-Reply-To: <005f01d7affa$df94ba70$9ebe2f50$@sympatico.ca> References: <000001d7ae25$34998be0$9dcca3a0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <003201d7ae45$1a4adfd0$4ee09f70$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7ae74$0c9bdea0$25d39be0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <005b01d7aee0$8676f810$9364e830$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7af15$a1e0d780$e5a28680$@alexarevel.plus.com> <000d01d7af1f$20647360$612d5a20$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7afe2$fb7382c0$f25a8840$@alexarevel.plus.com> <005f01d7affa$df94ba70$9ebe2f50$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <000001d7b2e4$969fed70$c3dfc850$@alexarevel.plus.com> To revert to the problem I've being having with my gearbox not wanting to reinstall to my new clutch.. Bleeding it made no difference.. It was a forlorn hope as I was sure I'd not lost any fluid but miracles are always welcome. The gearbox is on the workshop floor as is the new clutch. Before removing the new clutch I played around with the AH Spares plastic alignment tool and my spare shaft. Both went in without any trouble but I suppose they would have anyhow unless they'd been miles out?? The new clutch slides onto the shaft in the gearbox just as it should. See attached file..Seems to me that the old clutch was in pretty good shape and, with benefit of 20/20 hindsight, one might have left well alone! It's been in there for 27 years that I know of. There were/are a few discrepancies between the old and new clutches. See attached. I don't think these would matter???? Are there any obvious steps that I might have missed? Obvious, but, seemingly, not to me! I haven't taken out the flywheel. Didn't see why? It's in; it's straight/vertical and works. People state a preference for alignment with a spare shaft rather than the black plastic tool. I can see that the metal shaft might be somewhat more precise, but harder to use surely? I'm reluctant to reinstall and just repeat the whole sorry process.. Any suggestion? Thanks, Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I personally go through this routine at least 2 or 3 times to make sure I am as close to the center position as possible. One question: Why do you think the metal input shaft is harder to use than the plastic tool? The input shaft is much longer than the plastic tool and you can get a better feel for finding the center position when moving it through its range of motion as you align the disc. On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 7:42 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > To revert to the problem I?ve being having with my gearbox not wanting to > reinstall to my new clutch?? > > > > Bleeding it made no difference.. It was a forlorn hope as I was sure I?d > not lost any fluid but miracles are always welcome. > > > > The gearbox is on the workshop floor as is the new clutch. > > > > Before removing the new clutch I played around with the AH Spares plastic > alignment tool and my spare shaft. Both went in without any trouble but I > suppose they would have anyhow unless they?d been miles out?? The new > clutch slides onto the shaft in the gearbox just as it should. > > > > See attached file??Seems to me that the old clutch was in pretty good > shape and, with benefit of 20/20 hindsight, one might have left well alone! > It?s been in there for 27 years that I know of. There were/are a few > discrepancies between the old and new clutches. See attached. I don?t think > these would matter???? > > > > Are there any obvious steps that I might have missed? Obvious, but, > seemingly, not to me! > > > > I haven?t taken out the flywheel. Didn?t see why? It?s in; it?s > straight/vertical and works. > > > > People state a preference for alignment with a spare shaft rather than the > black plastic tool. I can see that the metal shaft might be somewhat more > precise, but harder to use surely? > > > > I?m reluctant to reinstall and just repeat the whole sorry process?. > > > > Any suggestion? > > > > Thanks, > > Simon > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/boyracer466 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 7:42 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > To revert to the problem I?ve being having with my gearbox not wanting to > reinstall to my new clutch?? > > > > Bleeding it made no difference.. It was a forlorn hope as I was sure I?d > not lost any fluid but miracles are always welcome. > > > > The gearbox is on the workshop floor as is the new clutch. > > > > Before removing the new clutch I played around with the AH Spares plastic > alignment tool and my spare shaft. Both went in without any trouble but I > suppose they would have anyhow unless they?d been miles out?? The new > clutch slides onto the shaft in the gearbox just as it should. > > > > See attached file??Seems to me that the old clutch was in pretty good > shape and, with benefit of 20/20 hindsight, one might have left well alone! > It?s been in there for 27 years that I know of. There were/are a few > discrepancies between the old and new clutches. See attached. I don?t think > these would matter???? > > > > Are there any obvious steps that I might have missed? Obvious, but, > seemingly, not to me! > > > > I haven?t taken out the flywheel. Didn?t see why? It?s in; it?s > straight/vertical and works. > > > > People state a preference for alignment with a spare shaft rather than the > black plastic tool. I can see that the metal shaft might be somewhat more > precise, but harder to use surely? > > > > I?m reluctant to reinstall and just repeat the whole sorry process?. > > > > Any suggestion? > > > > Thanks, > > Simon > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/boyracer466 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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While its been 60+ years since those days, never did I recall having an issue in the Florida summers with vapor lock. Of course back then I could have never imagined owning a Healey being just a worker bee for the VIP's. When I first bought the BN7 (without sidescreens) out of a Calif "barn" back around 2005 to restore and drive, of course it took me back to my youthful days growing up in Florida. Now living here in Kentucky with 4 full seasons, I park the car on hot summer days to avoid vapor lock or winter when the first salt is spread. Hence I use a battery tender for the several months between driving stints. If I recall from previous Healey board themes you have had vapor lock issues with your car in Florida. Did you ever resolve your issue, or am I mistaken? Regards, Richard C BN7 #440 ________________________________ From: rfbegani at gmail.com Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 3:06 PM To: 'Richard Collins' ; 'Bob Spidell' Cc: healeys-bounces at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Healeys] Fwd: Batteries and Longevity I also buy batteries from Sams for Healey, boat, cars and very satisfied with the long life are most reasonable price. I use Battery Tender for my cars during the long hot Florida summer when I am in Michigan. However, when returning to Florida, I give the batteries on both cars a full charge before starting them. Never a problem with batteries. Also, when leaving Michigan my Chrysler Convert is driven into a storage unit with no electricity. Then I disconnect the ground from the battery so the electronic items can not drain the battery. 6 months later it has always started. Just to be certain I have a portable battery which will start any battery. Regards, Bob Begani From: Healeys On Behalf Of Richard Collins via Healeys Sent: Friday, September 24, 2021 8:09 PM To: Bob Spidell Cc: healeys at autox.team. Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Batteries and Longevity Thanks! I ended up at Sams Club and got a 3 yr warranty Delco for $80. Might get 10 years out of it :-) Regards, Richard C On Sep 24, 2021, at 18:52, Bob Spidell > wrote: ? I have one of these in my BJ8. Spins it over almost like a gear-reduction; needs a specific type of minder (note the CCA): https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/SLI24FAGMDP?storecode=313&locationofinterest=&locationphysical=1014019&utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=ecommpla&gclid=CjwKCAjwpMOIBhBAEiwAy5M6YIzQhN9NgxA03HTVsNRHD5jVGX0BNPIr5VmOIfrXchUyXbvZGu7-IRoC6ocQAvD_BwE Deka brand is the best 'conventional' I've found (and made in the 'States, unlike most others). All depends on how much you can to spend, but get sealed if you can. Bob On 9/24/2021 12:47 PM, Richard Collins via Healeys wrote: Went to shake the dust off my Healey yesterday in celebration of the arrival of the fall arrival driving season and dang, turned over barely once and then nada mas. Put a jump on it and off I went. Can?t complain however. The ?Autocraft Silver 26-R? I?ve been using since Oct 2008 finally gave in and passed away to battery heaven at the ripe old age of 13 years. Gotta give thanks to using a battery tender all those years. I have one for each of my cars. I highly recommend it. Now comes the decision of staying conventional or switching to an AGM battery. Any opinions out there ? 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Re: New Clutch query (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com) 2. Re: New Clutch query (richard mayor) 3. Re: New Clutch query (richard mayor) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 15:41:22 +0100 From: To: Cc: "'Healeys'" Subject: Re: [Healeys] New Clutch query Message-ID: <000001d7b2e4$969fed70$c3dfc850$@alexarevel.plus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To revert to the problem I've being having with my gearbox not wanting to reinstall to my new clutch.. Bleeding it made no difference.. It was a forlorn hope as I was sure I'd not lost any fluid but miracles are always welcome. The gearbox is on the workshop floor as is the new clutch. Before removing the new clutch I played around with the AH Spares plastic alignment tool and my spare shaft. Both went in without any trouble but I suppose they would have anyhow unless they'd been miles out?? The new clutch slides onto the shaft in the gearbox just as it should. See attached file..Seems to me that the old clutch was in pretty good shape and, with benefit of 20/20 hindsight, one might have left well alone! It's been in there for 27 years that I know of. There were/are a few discrepancies between the old and new clutches. See attached. I don't think these would matter???? Are there any obvious steps that I might have missed? Obvious, but, seemingly, not to me! I haven't taken out the flywheel. Didn't see why? It's in; it's straight/vertical and works. People state a preference for alignment with a spare shaft rather than the black plastic tool. I can see that the metal shaft might be somewhat more precise, but harder to use surely? I'm reluctant to reinstall and just repeat the whole sorry process.. Any suggestion? Thanks, Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Comparison Old versus New.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 733777 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 09:39:09 -0700 From: richard mayor To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Cc: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca, Healeys Subject: Re: [Healeys] New Clutch query Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" One suggestion: When you use the centering tool (plastic or otherwise), tilt the tool all the way up then all the way down, then do the same from side to side, then split the difference with the tool in place when you tighten the pressure plate bolts. I personally go through this routine at least 2 or 3 times to make sure I am as close to the center position as possible. One question: Why do you think the metal input shaft is harder to use than the plastic tool? The input shaft is much longer than the plastic tool and you can get a better feel for finding the center position when moving it through its range of motion as you align the disc. On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 7:42 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > To revert to the problem I?ve being having with my gearbox not wanting to > reinstall to my new clutch?? > > > > Bleeding it made no difference.. It was a forlorn hope as I was sure I?d > not lost any fluid but miracles are always welcome. > > > > The gearbox is on the workshop floor as is the new clutch. > > > > Before removing the new clutch I played around with the AH Spares plastic > alignment tool and my spare shaft. Both went in without any trouble but I > suppose they would have anyhow unless they?d been miles out?? The new > clutch slides onto the shaft in the gearbox just as it should. > > > > See attached file??Seems to me that the old clutch was in pretty good > shape and, with benefit of 20/20 hindsight, one might have left well alone! > It?s been in there for 27 years that I know of. There were/are a few > discrepancies between the old and new clutches. See attached. I don?t think > these would matter???? > > > > Are there any obvious steps that I might have missed? Obvious, but, > seemingly, not to me! > > > > I haven?t taken out the flywheel. Didn?t see why? It?s in; it?s > straight/vertical and works. > > > > People state a preference for alignment with a spare shaft rather than the > black plastic tool. I can see that the metal shaft might be somewhat more > precise, but harder to use surely? > > > > I?m reluctant to reinstall and just repeat the whole sorry process?. > > > > Any suggestion? > > > > Thanks, > > Simon > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/boyracer466 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 09:55:40 -0700 From: richard mayor To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Cc: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca, Healeys Subject: Re: [Healeys] New Clutch query Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" One more thing. Be sure to loosen all of the pressure plates bolts so that as you move the tool through its range of motion the clutch disc will move around easily as well. On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 7:42 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > To revert to the problem I?ve being having with my gearbox not wanting to > reinstall to my new clutch?? > > > > Bleeding it made no difference.. It was a forlorn hope as I was sure I?d > not lost any fluid but miracles are always welcome. > > > > The gearbox is on the workshop floor as is the new clutch. > > > > Before removing the new clutch I played around with the AH Spares plastic > alignment tool and my spare shaft. Both went in without any trouble but I > suppose they would have anyhow unless they?d been miles out?? The new > clutch slides onto the shaft in the gearbox just as it should. > > > > See attached file??Seems to me that the old clutch was in pretty good > shape and, with benefit of 20/20 hindsight, one might have left well alone! > It?s been in there for 27 years that I know of. There were/are a few > discrepancies between the old and new clutches. See attached. I don?t think > these would matter???? > > > > Are there any obvious steps that I might have missed? Obvious, but, > seemingly, not to me! > > > > I haven?t taken out the flywheel. Didn?t see why? It?s in; it?s > straight/vertical and works. > > > > People state a preference for alignment with a spare shaft rather than the > black plastic tool. I can see that the metal shaft might be somewhat more > precise, but harder to use surely? > > > > I?m reluctant to reinstall and just repeat the whole sorry process?. > > > > Any suggestion? > > > > Thanks, > > Simon > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/boyracer466 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Healeys mailing list Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys archives: http://autox.team.net/archive ------------------------------ End of Healeys Digest, Vol 14, Issue 335 **************************************** From fsufan1952 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 26 19:11:06 2021 From: fsufan1952 at yahoo.com (fsufan1952 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 21:11:06 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: Batteries and Longevity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <497EEF67-5D6E-4601-A7E5-5333E3B8D505@yahoo.com> 60 years ago ,vs , today , would the current available gas , ethanol or not , contribute to vapor lock . I?m not a chemist , but I?m sure something has been altered / changed . Don , 67 BJ8 Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2021, at 2:10 PM, Richard Collins via Healeys wrote: > > ? > Hi Bob, > > A little off the subject of batteries but: > > I grew up in West Palm Beach and worked for the BMC distributor there in high school running the BMC sport fishing boat, taking out corp dignitarys, (including Geoff Healy) sail fishing or just cruising. When the boss (Ed Bussey) would bring the latest Healey to the boat on test drives I recall the first Healeys with roll up windows, thinking the end of the British sportscar era had arrived. While its been 60+ years since those days, never did I recall having an issue in the Florida summers with vapor lock. Of course back then I could have never imagined owning a Healey being just a worker bee for the VIP's. > When I first bought the BN7 (without sidescreens) out of a Calif "barn" back around 2005 to restore and drive, of course it took me back to my youthful days growing up in Florida. Now living here in Kentucky with 4 full seasons, I park the car on hot summer days to avoid vapor lock or winter when the first salt is spread. Hence I use a battery tender for the several months between driving stints. > > If I recall from previous Healey board themes you have had vapor lock issues with your car in Florida. Did you ever resolve your issue, or am I mistaken? > > Regards, > Richard C > BN7 #440 > From: rfbegani at gmail.com > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 3:06 PM > To: 'Richard Collins' ; 'Bob Spidell' > Cc: healeys-bounces at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [Healeys] Fwd: Batteries and Longevity > > I also buy batteries from Sams for Healey, boat, cars and very satisfied with the long life are most reasonable price. I use Battery Tender for my cars during the long hot Florida summer when I am in Michigan. However, when returning to Florida, I give the batteries on both cars a full charge before starting them. Never a problem with batteries. Also, when leaving Michigan my Chrysler Convert is driven into a storage unit with no electricity. Then I disconnect the ground from the battery so the electronic items can not drain the battery. 6 months later it has always started. Just to be certain I have a portable battery which will start any battery. > > Regards, > > Bob Begani > > From: Healeys On Behalf Of Richard Collins via Healeys > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2021 8:09 PM > To: Bob Spidell > Cc: healeys at autox.team. > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Batteries and Longevity > > Thanks! > I ended up at Sams Club and got a 3 yr warranty Delco for $80. Might get 10 years out of it :-) > > Regards, > Richard C > > > > On Sep 24, 2021, at 18:52, Bob Spidell wrote: > > ? I have one of these in my BJ8. Spins it over almost like a gear-reduction; needs a specific type of minder (note the CCA): > > https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/SLI24FAGMDP?storecode=313&locationofinterest=&locationphysical=1014019&utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=ecommpla&gclid=CjwKCAjwpMOIBhBAEiwAy5M6YIzQhN9NgxA03HTVsNRHD5jVGX0BNPIr5VmOIfrXchUyXbvZGu7-IRoC6ocQAvD_BwE > > Deka brand is the best 'conventional' I've found (and made in the 'States, unlike most others). All depends on how much you can to spend, but get sealed if you can. > > Bob > > On 9/24/2021 12:47 PM, Richard Collins via Healeys wrote: > > > Went to shake the dust off my Healey yesterday in celebration of the arrival of the fall arrival driving season and dang, turned over barely once and then nada mas. Put a jump on it and off I went. > Can?t complain however. The ?Autocraft Silver 26-R? I?ve been using since Oct 2008 finally gave in and passed away to battery heaven at the ripe old age of 13 years. > Gotta give thanks to using a battery tender all those years. I have one for each of my cars. I highly recommend it. Now comes the decision of staying conventional or switching to an AGM battery. > Any opinions out there ? > Regards, > Richard Collins > BN7 #440 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/fsufan1952 at yahoo.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com Sun Sep 26 20:46:33 2021 From: gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com (Richard Collins) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 02:46:33 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: Batteries and Longevity In-Reply-To: <497EEF67-5D6E-4601-A7E5-5333E3B8D505@yahoo.com> References: <497EEF67-5D6E-4601-A7E5-5333E3B8D505@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think you have ID?d some of the problem. Certainly my car runs better with non-ethanol gas even on 90 octane as non ethanol 93 has disappeared here recently (sorry Californians). One of the old style wrenches I know says he has tested current fuel offered at 10% ethanol but it often has up to 30 ethanol. Has anyone tested what comes out of nozzles these days ? Regards, Richard C BN7 440 On Sep 26, 2021, at 20:11, fsufan1952 at yahoo.com wrote: ? 60 years ago ,vs , today , would the current available gas , ethanol or not , contribute to vapor lock . I?m not a chemist , but I?m sure something has been altered / changed . Don , 67 BJ8 Sent from my iPhone On Sep 26, 2021, at 2:10 PM, Richard Collins via Healeys wrote: ? Hi Bob, A little off the subject of batteries but: I grew up in West Palm Beach and worked for the BMC distributor there in high school running the BMC sport fishing boat, taking out corp dignitarys, (including Geoff Healy) sail fishing or just cruising. When the boss (Ed Bussey) would bring the latest Healey to the boat on test drives I recall the first Healeys with roll up windows, thinking the end of the British sportscar era had arrived. While its been 60+ years since those days, never did I recall having an issue in the Florida summers with vapor lock. Of course back then I could have never imagined owning a Healey being just a worker bee for the VIP's. When I first bought the BN7 (without sidescreens) out of a Calif "barn" back around 2005 to restore and drive, of course it took me back to my youthful days growing up in Florida. Now living here in Kentucky with 4 full seasons, I park the car on hot summer days to avoid vapor lock or winter when the first salt is spread. Hence I use a battery tender for the several months between driving stints. If I recall from previous Healey board themes you have had vapor lock issues with your car in Florida. Did you ever resolve your issue, or am I mistaken? Regards, Richard C BN7 #440 ________________________________ From: rfbegani at gmail.com Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 3:06 PM To: 'Richard Collins' ; 'Bob Spidell' Cc: healeys-bounces at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Healeys] Fwd: Batteries and Longevity I also buy batteries from Sams for Healey, boat, cars and very satisfied with the long life are most reasonable price. I use Battery Tender for my cars during the long hot Florida summer when I am in Michigan. However, when returning to Florida, I give the batteries on both cars a full charge before starting them. Never a problem with batteries. Also, when leaving Michigan my Chrysler Convert is driven into a storage unit with no electricity. Then I disconnect the ground from the battery so the electronic items can not drain the battery. 6 months later it has always started. Just to be certain I have a portable battery which will start any battery. Regards, Bob Begani From: Healeys On Behalf Of Richard Collins via Healeys Sent: Friday, September 24, 2021 8:09 PM To: Bob Spidell Cc: healeys at autox.team. Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Batteries and Longevity Thanks! I ended up at Sams Club and got a 3 yr warranty Delco for $80. Might get 10 years out of it :-) Regards, Richard C On Sep 24, 2021, at 18:52, Bob Spidell > wrote: ? I have one of these in my BJ8. Spins it over almost like a gear-reduction; needs a specific type of minder (note the CCA): https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/SLI24FAGMDP?storecode=313&locationofinterest=&locationphysical=1014019&utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=ecommpla&gclid=CjwKCAjwpMOIBhBAEiwAy5M6YIzQhN9NgxA03HTVsNRHD5jVGX0BNPIr5VmOIfrXchUyXbvZGu7-IRoC6ocQAvD_BwE Deka brand is the best 'conventional' I've found (and made in the 'States, unlike most others). All depends on how much you can to spend, but get sealed if you can. Bob On 9/24/2021 12:47 PM, Richard Collins via Healeys wrote: Went to shake the dust off my Healey yesterday in celebration of the arrival of the fall arrival driving season and dang, turned over barely once and then nada mas. Put a jump on it and off I went. Can?t complain however. The ?Autocraft Silver 26-R? I?ve been using since Oct 2008 finally gave in and passed away to battery heaven at the ripe old age of 13 years. Gotta give thanks to using a battery tender all those years. I have one for each of my cars. I highly recommend it. Now comes the decision of staying conventional or switching to an AGM battery. Any opinions out there ? Regards, Richard Collins BN7 #440 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/gonnagitcha90 at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/fsufan1952 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Mon Sep 27 06:43:19 2021 From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 13:43:19 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] New Clutch query In-Reply-To: References: <000001d7ae25$34998be0$9dcca3a0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <003201d7ae45$1a4adfd0$4ee09f70$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7ae74$0c9bdea0$25d39be0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <005b01d7aee0$8676f810$9364e830$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7af15$a1e0d780$e5a28680$@alexarevel.plus.com> <000d01d7af1f$20647360$612d5a20$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7afe2$fb7382c0$f25a8840$@alexarevel.plus.com> <005f01d7affa$df94ba70$9ebe2f50$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7b2e4$969fed70$c3dfc850$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: <000001d7b39d$429509e0$c7bf1da0$@alexarevel.plus.com> Thank you everybody for your replies. Richard?s advice as to centering the clutch by moving the alignment tool back and forth, up/down seems very sensible and I?ll try that. I said that I thought the black plastic alignment tool was easier to use than the shaft because, with plastic tool, one can plug the clutch plate to the flywheel then wind on the cover as no part of the tool is wider than the hole in the centre of the cover. With the shaft, one has to put it through cover and clutch plate and then fight the pair up and onto the flywheel. Two people found (very!) polite ways of asking if I?d put the clutch plate on backwards. Sadly not; that might have produced an instant cure. I?m way past being offended by such questions. Nothing is binding in the spigot bush/pilot bearing. Another instant cure missed. No slop in the clutch lever bushings. The slave?s push rod and clevis pin were in a bad way although that had not - previously ? impinged. I?ve ordered new ones anyhow. I?ve got the two dowel bolts and used them at 11:00 and 17:30. (Incidentally, I?ve got on file an email, 11 June ?02, of Michael?s in which he makes reference to the importance attached to these bolts as a ?tempest in a teapot?. His maths makes perfect sense, as you?d expect, but I?ll be sure to put them in per the book). I did have a jack under the engine and will again. Barring anything new received from you guys, I?ll just have to try again, paying great attention to the plate being centred and the engine/gearbox being at compatible angles. No attempt today as son-in-law is at work! It is definitely a task where an Arnie-lookalike is extremely useful. Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca Mon Sep 27 09:02:03 2021 From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 11:02:03 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] New Clutch query In-Reply-To: References: <000001d7ae25$34998be0$9dcca3a0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <003201d7ae45$1a4adfd0$4ee09f70$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7ae74$0c9bdea0$25d39be0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <005b01d7aee0$8676f810$9364e830$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7af15$a1e0d780$e5a28680$@alexarevel.plus.com> <000d01d7af1f$20647360$612d5a20$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7afe2$fb7382c0$f25a8840$@alexarevel.plus.com> <005f01d7affa$df94ba70$9ebe2f50$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7b2e4$969fed70$c3dfc850$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: <004901d7b3b0$a1db9fa0$e592dee0$@sympatico.ca> I agree with Richard ? I go through the same ?micro? centering process. From: richard mayor Sent: September 26, 2021 12:39 PM To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Cc: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca; Healeys Subject: Re: [Healeys] New Clutch query One suggestion: When you use the centering tool (plastic or otherwise), tilt the tool all the way up then all the way down, then do the same from side to side, then split the difference with the tool in place when you tighten the pressure plate bolts. I personally go through this routine at least 2 or 3 times to make sure I am as close to the center position as possible. One question: Why do you think the metal input shaft is harder to use than the plastic tool? The input shaft is much longer than the plastic tool and you can get a better feel for finding the center position when moving it through its range of motion as you align the disc. On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 7:42 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys > wrote: To revert to the problem I?ve being having with my gearbox not wanting to reinstall to my new clutch?? Bleeding it made no difference.. It was a forlorn hope as I was sure I?d not lost any fluid but miracles are always welcome. The gearbox is on the workshop floor as is the new clutch. Before removing the new clutch I played around with the AH Spares plastic alignment tool and my spare shaft. Both went in without any trouble but I suppose they would have anyhow unless they?d been miles out?? The new clutch slides onto the shaft in the gearbox just as it should. See attached file??Seems to me that the old clutch was in pretty good shape and, with benefit of 20/20 hindsight, one might have left well alone! It?s been in there for 27 years that I know of. There were/are a few discrepancies between the old and new clutches. See attached. I don?t think these would matter???? Are there any obvious steps that I might have missed? Obvious, but, seemingly, not to me! I haven?t taken out the flywheel. Didn?t see why? It?s in; it?s straight/vertical and works. People state a preference for alignment with a spare shaft rather than the black plastic tool. I can see that the metal shaft might be somewhat more precise, but harder to use surely? I?m reluctant to reinstall and just repeat the whole sorry process?. Any suggestion? Thanks, Simon _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/boyracer466 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca Mon Sep 27 09:14:43 2021 From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 11:14:43 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] New Clutch query In-Reply-To: <000001d7b39d$429509e0$c7bf1da0$@alexarevel.plus.com> References: <000001d7ae25$34998be0$9dcca3a0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <003201d7ae45$1a4adfd0$4ee09f70$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7ae74$0c9bdea0$25d39be0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <005b01d7aee0$8676f810$9364e830$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7af15$a1e0d780$e5a28680$@alexarevel.plus.com> <000d01d7af1f$20647360$612d5a20$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7afe2$fb7382c0$f25a8840$@alexarevel.plus.com> <005f01d7affa$df94ba70$9ebe2f50$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7b2e4$969fed70$c3dfc850$@alexarevel.plus.com> <000001d7b39d$429509e0$c7bf1da0$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: <005301d7b3b2$671b4530$3551cf90$@sympatico.ca> Simon, you seemed to have covered all the bases. Again respectfully, how are so sure that nothing is binding on the pilot bush? I am not sure the best way to check it but if possible, if you can remove it and actually slide it onto the output shaft on the g?box, that would be best. If the bush is firmly in there (and it usually is!), I suggest you might offer up the gearbox to the engine without the clutch in place and see if it slides in easily and that you can get the bell housing all the way up to the rear engine plate. That is a lot more work, but would absolutely rule out any issue with the pilot bush. I assume that the throw bearing is in good shape and moves easily in the fork of the clutch arm. I am grasping at straws now! As others have said, I spend a lot of time checking the gap between the bell housing and the engine plate when I am putting a g?box back to ensure it is even all the way around and the g?box goes in perfectly square. Wish I were closer, I?d gladly lend a hand. I just have a few last things to put back on my motor and Michael and I are going to start it up after a fresh rebuild, hopefully Wednesday. Cheers, Mirek From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Sent: September 27, 2021 8:43 AM To: 'richard mayor' Cc: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca; 'Healeys' Subject: RE: [Healeys] New Clutch query Thank you everybody for your replies. Richard?s advice as to centering the clutch by moving the alignment tool back and forth, up/down seems very sensible and I?ll try that. I said that I thought the black plastic alignment tool was easier to use than the shaft because, with plastic tool, one can plug the clutch plate to the flywheel then wind on the cover as no part of the tool is wider than the hole in the centre of the cover. With the shaft, one has to put it through cover and clutch plate and then fight the pair up and onto the flywheel. Two people found (very!) polite ways of asking if I?d put the clutch plate on backwards. Sadly not; that might have produced an instant cure. I?m way past being offended by such questions. Nothing is binding in the spigot bush/pilot bearing. Another instant cure missed. No slop in the clutch lever bushings. The slave?s push rod and clevis pin were in a bad way although that had not - previously ? impinged. I?ve ordered new ones anyhow. I?ve got the two dowel bolts and used them at 11:00 and 17:30. (Incidentally, I?ve got on file an email, 11 June ?02, of Michael?s in which he makes reference to the importance attached to these bolts as a ?tempest in a teapot?. His maths makes perfect sense, as you?d expect, but I?ll be sure to put them in per the book). I did have a jack under the engine and will again. Barring anything new received from you guys, I?ll just have to try again, paying great attention to the plate being centred and the engine/gearbox being at compatible angles. No attempt today as son-in-law is at work! It is definitely a task where an Arnie-lookalike is extremely useful. Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Mon Sep 27 09:20:35 2021 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 08:20:35 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] New Clutch query In-Reply-To: <004901d7b3b0$a1db9fa0$e592dee0$@sympatico.ca> References: <000001d7ae25$34998be0$9dcca3a0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <003201d7ae45$1a4adfd0$4ee09f70$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7ae74$0c9bdea0$25d39be0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <005b01d7aee0$8676f810$9364e830$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7af15$a1e0d780$e5a28680$@alexarevel.plus.com> <000d01d7af1f$20647360$612d5a20$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7afe2$fb7382c0$f25a8840$@alexarevel.plus.com> <005f01d7affa$df94ba70$9ebe2f50$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7b2e4$969fed70$c3dfc850$@alexarevel.plus.com> <004901d7b3b0$a1db9fa0$e592dee0$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: Since we're grasping at input shafts, er, straws ... Did you lube the splines with anything? I know it's a slight risk given grease could be slung onto the disk or cover plate--although engine oil will likely end up in the vicinity sooner or later--I've always done it with no issues (if anybody cares, my favorite product for things like this is Redline's wheel bearing grease). I'm probably wrong, but I don't think 'centering' is the issue, as I think Simon was probably pretty careful about it, and I've never heard of anybody having trouble with a centering tool or input shaft. On 9/27/2021 8:02 AM, m.g.sharp--- via Healeys wrote: > > I agree with Richard ? I go through the same ?micro? centering process. > > *From:*richard mayor > *Sent:* September 26, 2021 12:39 PM > *To:* simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com > *Cc:* m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca; Healeys > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] New Clutch query > > One suggestion:? When you use the centering tool (plastic or > otherwise), tilt the tool all the way up then all the way down, then > do the same from side to side, then split the difference with the tool > in place when you tighten the pressure plate bolts.? I personally go > through this routine at least 2 or 3 times to make sure I am as close > to the center position as possible. > > One question: Why do you think the metal input shaft is harder to use > than the plastic tool??? The input shaft is much longer than the > plastic tool and you can get a better feel for finding the center > position when moving it through its range of motion as you align the > disc. > > On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 7:42 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys > > wrote: > > To revert to the problem I?ve being having with my gearbox not > wanting to reinstall to my new clutch?? > > Bleeding it made no difference.. It was a forlorn hope as I was > sure I?d not lost any fluid but miracles are always welcome. > > The gearbox is on the workshop floor as is the new clutch. > > Before removing the new clutch I played around with the AH Spares > plastic alignment tool and my spare shaft. Both went in without > any trouble but I suppose they would have anyhow unless they?d > been miles out?? The new clutch slides onto the shaft in the > gearbox just as it should. > > See attached file??Seems to me that the old clutch was in pretty > good shape and, with benefit of 20/20 hindsight, one might have > left well alone! It?s been in there for 27 years that I know of. > There were/are a few discrepancies between the old and new > clutches. See attached. I don?t think these would matter???? > > Are there any obvious steps that I might have missed? Obvious, > but, seemingly, not to me! > > I haven?t taken out the flywheel. Didn?t see why? It?s in; it?s > straight/vertical and works. > > People state a preference for alignment with a spare shaft rather > than the black plastic tool. I can see that the metal shaft might > be somewhat more precise, but harder to use surely? > > I?m reluctant to reinstall and just repeat the whole sorry process?. > > Any suggestion? > > Thanks, > > Simon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gradea1 at charter.net Mon Sep 27 10:31:39 2021 From: gradea1 at charter.net (gradea1 at charter.net) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 16:31:39 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] New Clutch query Message-ID: I don't like the different look, and Simon's measurements, of the clutch disc. First I would take the spare old input shaft-if the same as the one in the trans, and stick it in the pilot bushing and clutch plate. If it fits, its correct bush and core. Then I would load up the gearbox shaft with the clutch disc and position the cover to approx. installed location to see if there is any interference with the casing. If it looks clear, mount the disc and cover on the flywheel and hand tighten the bolts, stick in the shaft or plastic guide and as Richard indicated, work the unit carefully. concentrically. to insure it is centered. Tighten bolts to spec, LIGHTLY grease the spline and nose of input, put box in 4th, position and jiggle the output to "feel" it fit the spline of the clutch disc, before pushing it home and button it up. Hank -----------------------------------------From: "Bob Spidell" To: healeys at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Monday September 27 2021 8:26:59AM Subject: Re: [Healeys] New Clutch query Since we're grasping at input shafts, er, straws ... Did you lube the splines with anything? I know it's a slight risk given grease could be slung onto the disk or cover plate--although engine oil will likely end up in the vicinity sooner or later--I've always done it with no issues (if anybody cares, my favorite product for things like this is Redline's wheel bearing grease). I'm probably wrong, but I don't think 'centering' is the issue, as I think Simon was probably pretty careful about it, and I've never heard of anybody having trouble with a centering tool or input shaft. On 9/27/2021 8:02 AM, m.g.sharp--- via Healeys wrote: I agree with Richard ? I go through the same ?micro? centering process. FROM: richard mayor SENT: September 26, 2021 12:39 PM TO: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com CC: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca; Healeys SUBJECT: Re: [Healeys] New Clutch query One suggestion: When you use the centering tool (plastic or otherwise), tilt the tool all the way up then all the way down, then do the same from side to side, then split the difference with the tool in place when you tighten the pressure plate bolts. I personally go through this routine at least 2 or 3 times to make sure I am as close to the center position as possible. One question: Why do you think the metal input shaft is harder to use than the plastic tool? The input shaft is much longer than the plastic tool and you can get a better feel for finding the center position when moving it through its range of motion as you align the disc. On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 7:42 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote: To revert to the problem I?ve being having with my gearbox not wanting to reinstall to my new clutch?? Bleeding it made no difference.. It was a forlorn hope as I was sure I?d not lost any fluid but miracles are always welcome. The gearbox is on the workshop floor as is the new clutch. Before removing the new clutch I played around with the AH Spares plastic alignment tool and my spare shaft. Both went in without any trouble but I suppose they would have anyhow unless they?d been miles out?? The new clutch slides onto the shaft in the gearbox just as it should. See attached file??Seems to me that the old clutch was in pretty good shape and, with benefit of 20/20 hindsight, one might have left well alone! It?s been in there for 27 years that I know of. There were/are a few discrepancies between the old and new clutches. See attached. I don?t think these would matter???? Are there any obvious steps that I might have missed? Obvious, but, seemingly, not to me! I haven?t taken out the flywheel. Didn?t see why? It?s in; it?s straight/vertical and works. People state a preference for alignment with a spare shaft rather than the black plastic tool. I can see that the metal shaft might be somewhat more precise, but harder to use surely? I?m reluctant to reinstall and just repeat the whole sorry process?. Any suggestion? Thanks, Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boyracer466 at gmail.com Mon Sep 27 10:50:42 2021 From: boyracer466 at gmail.com (richard mayor) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 09:50:42 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: New Clutch query In-Reply-To: References: <000001d7ae25$34998be0$9dcca3a0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <003201d7ae45$1a4adfd0$4ee09f70$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7ae74$0c9bdea0$25d39be0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <005b01d7aee0$8676f810$9364e830$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7af15$a1e0d780$e5a28680$@alexarevel.plus.com> <000d01d7af1f$20647360$612d5a20$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7afe2$fb7382c0$f25a8840$@alexarevel.plus.com> <005f01d7affa$df94ba70$9ebe2f50$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7b2e4$969fed70$c3dfc850$@alexarevel.plus.com> <000001d7b39d$429509e0$c7bf1da0$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: richard mayor Date: Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [Healeys] New Clutch query To: Simon, You can present the clutch and cover to the flywheel using the plastic tool. Tighten the cover just enough to hold the disc....... remove the plastic tool ......then insert the metal input shaft, loosen the bolt, finish the alignment and tighten the bolts. Another aid is to put an old fan belt around the back the transmission. One of you can then easily lift or lower the back end of the transmission to make things line up. When I do it, I place a piece of 2x4 at the back of the cylinder head between it and the firewall. Because the engine is well balanced on its motor mounts it does not put much pressure on the firewall. It will do no damage. The engine in this position is well suited to receive the transmission. I then use the floor jack to get the front of the transmision to the right level. Then you can guide the tranny forward using the fan belt to raise or lower the rear of the transmission. Make sure the transmission is in gear so you can turn the rear output flange as needed to get the clutch and input shaft splines to line up. I have used this method many times with success doing it all by myself. Take your time and with a bit of finesse it should slide right in. Never let the weight of the transmission hang on the input shaft and clutch. Use the floor jact to support the weight of the transmission at all times. Richard On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 5:43 AM wrote: > > > Thank you everybody for your replies. > > > > Richard?s advice as to centering the clutch by moving the alignment tool > back and forth, up/down seems very sensible and I?ll try that. > > > > I said that I thought the black plastic alignment tool was easier to use > than the shaft because, with plastic tool, one can plug the clutch plate to > the flywheel then wind on the cover as no part of the tool is wider than > the hole in the centre of the cover. With the shaft, one has to put it > through cover and clutch plate and then fight the pair up and onto the > flywheel. > > > > Two people found (very!) polite ways of asking if I?d put the clutch plate > on backwards. Sadly not; that might have produced an instant cure. I?m way > past being offended by such questions. > > > > Nothing is binding in the spigot bush/pilot bearing. Another instant cure > missed. > > > > No slop in the clutch lever bushings. The slave?s push rod and clevis pin > were in a bad way although that had not - previously ? impinged. I?ve > ordered new ones anyhow. > > > > I?ve got the two dowel bolts and used them at 11:00 and 17:30. > (Incidentally, I?ve got on file an email, 11 June ?02, of Michael?s in > which he makes reference to the importance attached to these bolts as a > ?tempest in a teapot?. His maths makes perfect sense, as you?d expect, but > I?ll be sure to put them in per the book). > > > > I did have a jack under the engine and will again. > > > > Barring anything new received from you guys, I?ll just have to try again, > paying great attention to the plate being centred and the engine/gearbox > being at compatible angles. > > > > No attempt today as son-in-law is at work! It is definitely a task where > an Arnie-lookalike is extremely useful. > > > > Simon > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca Mon Sep 27 11:26:27 2021 From: m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca (m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 13:26:27 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: New Clutch query In-Reply-To: References: <000001d7ae25$34998be0$9dcca3a0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <003201d7ae45$1a4adfd0$4ee09f70$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7ae74$0c9bdea0$25d39be0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <005b01d7aee0$8676f810$9364e830$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7af15$a1e0d780$e5a28680$@alexarevel.plus.com> <000d01d7af1f$20647360$612d5a20$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7afe2$fb7382c0$f25a8840$@alexarevel.plus.com> <005f01d7affa$df94ba70$9ebe2f50$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7b2e4$969fed70$c3dfc850$@alexarevel.plus.com> <000001d7b39d$429509e0$c7bf1da0$@alexarevel.plus.com> Message-ID: <007301d7b3c4$cd8b7670$68a26350$@sympatico.ca> I?m just imagining if we were all there ?helping? Simon, the ?discussions? about what the best method is. That would be good for at least one case of beer! LOL Mirek From: Healeys On Behalf Of richard mayor via Healeys Sent: September 27, 2021 12:51 PM To: healeys Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: New Clutch query ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: richard mayor > Date: Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [Healeys] New Clutch query To: > Simon, You can present the clutch and cover to the flywheel using the plastic tool. Tighten the cover just enough to hold the disc....... remove the plastic tool ......then insert the metal input shaft, loosen the bolt, finish the alignment and tighten the bolts. Another aid is to put an old fan belt around the back the transmission. One of you can then easily lift or lower the back end of the transmission to make things line up. When I do it, I place a piece of 2x4 at the back of the cylinder head between it and the firewall. Because the engine is well balanced on its motor mounts it does not put much pressure on the firewall. It will do no damage. The engine in this position is well suited to receive the transmission. I then use the floor jack to get the front of the transmision to the right level. Then you can guide the tranny forward using the fan belt to raise or lower the rear of the transmission. Make sure the transmission is in gear so you can turn the rear output flange as needed to get the clutch and input shaft splines to line up. I have used this method many times with success doing it all by myself. Take your time and with a bit of finesse it should slide right in. Never let the weight of the transmission hang on the input shaft and clutch. Use the floor jact to support the weight of the transmission at all times. Richard On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 5:43 AM > wrote: Thank you everybody for your replies. Richard?s advice as to centering the clutch by moving the alignment tool back and forth, up/down seems very sensible and I?ll try that. I said that I thought the black plastic alignment tool was easier to use than the shaft because, with plastic tool, one can plug the clutch plate to the flywheel then wind on the cover as no part of the tool is wider than the hole in the centre of the cover. With the shaft, one has to put it through cover and clutch plate and then fight the pair up and onto the flywheel. Two people found (very!) polite ways of asking if I?d put the clutch plate on backwards. Sadly not; that might have produced an instant cure. I?m way past being offended by such questions. Nothing is binding in the spigot bush/pilot bearing. Another instant cure missed. No slop in the clutch lever bushings. The slave?s push rod and clevis pin were in a bad way although that had not - previously ? impinged. I?ve ordered new ones anyhow. I?ve got the two dowel bolts and used them at 11:00 and 17:30. (Incidentally, I?ve got on file an email, 11 June ?02, of Michael?s in which he makes reference to the importance attached to these bolts as a ?tempest in a teapot?. His maths makes perfect sense, as you?d expect, but I?ll be sure to put them in per the book). I did have a jack under the engine and will again. Barring anything new received from you guys, I?ll just have to try again, paying great attention to the plate being centred and the engine/gearbox being at compatible angles. No attempt today as son-in-law is at work! It is definitely a task where an Arnie-lookalike is extremely useful. Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Mon Sep 27 12:52:20 2021 From: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com (simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 19:52:20 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: New Clutch query In-Reply-To: <007301d7b3c4$cd8b7670$68a26350$@sympatico.ca> References: <000001d7ae25$34998be0$9dcca3a0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <003201d7ae45$1a4adfd0$4ee09f70$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7ae74$0c9bdea0$25d39be0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <005b01d7aee0$8676f810$9364e830$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7af15$a1e0d780$e5a28680$@alexarevel.plus.com> <000d01d7af1f$20647360$612d5a20$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7afe2$fb7382c0$f25a8840$@alexarevel.plus.com> <005f01d7affa$df94ba70$9ebe2f50$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7b2e4$969fed70$c3dfc850$@alexarevel.plus.com> <000001d7b39d$429509e0$c7bf1da0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <007301d7b3c4$cd8b7670$68a26350$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <000201d7b3d0$d0030fb0$70092f10$@alexarevel.plus.com> You?d all be very welcome! I think, in the circumstances, that I could find something better. Mind you, we have pretty decent beer around here. Ale, I think you guys would call it. ?Doom Bar? is one of the local favourites. It?s not that strong but it does sneak up on one after a few pints. Simon From: Healeys On Behalf Of m.g.sharp--- via Healeys Sent: 27 September 2021 18:26 To: 'richard mayor' Cc: 'Healeys' Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fwd: New Clutch query I?m just imagining if we were all there ?helping? Simon, the ?discussions? about what the best method is. That would be good for at least one case of beer! LOL Mirek From: Healeys > On Behalf Of richard mayor via Healeys Sent: September 27, 2021 12:51 PM To: healeys > Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: New Clutch query ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: richard mayor > Date: Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [Healeys] New Clutch query To: > Simon, You can present the clutch and cover to the flywheel using the plastic tool. Tighten the cover just enough to hold the disc....... remove the plastic tool ......then insert the metal input shaft, loosen the bolt, finish the alignment and tighten the bolts. Another aid is to put an old fan belt around the back the transmission. One of you can then easily lift or lower the back end of the transmission to make things line up. When I do it, I place a piece of 2x4 at the back of the cylinder head between it and the firewall. Because the engine is well balanced on its motor mounts it does not put much pressure on the firewall. It will do no damage. The engine in this position is well suited to receive the transmission. I then use the floor jack to get the front of the transmision to the right level. Then you can guide the tranny forward using the fan belt to raise or lower the rear of the transmission. Make sure the transmission is in gear so you can turn the rear output flange as needed to get the clutch and input shaft splines to line up. I have used this method many times with success doing it all by myself. Take your time and with a bit of finesse it should slide right in. Never let the weight of the transmission hang on the input shaft and clutch. Use the floor jact to support the weight of the transmission at all times. Richard On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 5:43 AM > wrote: Thank you everybody for your replies. Richard?s advice as to centering the clutch by moving the alignment tool back and forth, up/down seems very sensible and I?ll try that. I said that I thought the black plastic alignment tool was easier to use than the shaft because, with plastic tool, one can plug the clutch plate to the flywheel then wind on the cover as no part of the tool is wider than the hole in the centre of the cover. With the shaft, one has to put it through cover and clutch plate and then fight the pair up and onto the flywheel. Two people found (very!) polite ways of asking if I?d put the clutch plate on backwards. Sadly not; that might have produced an instant cure. I?m way past being offended by such questions. Nothing is binding in the spigot bush/pilot bearing. Another instant cure missed. No slop in the clutch lever bushings. The slave?s push rod and clevis pin were in a bad way although that had not - previously ? impinged. I?ve ordered new ones anyhow. I?ve got the two dowel bolts and used them at 11:00 and 17:30. (Incidentally, I?ve got on file an email, 11 June ?02, of Michael?s in which he makes reference to the importance attached to these bolts as a ?tempest in a teapot?. His maths makes perfect sense, as you?d expect, but I?ll be sure to put them in per the book). I did have a jack under the engine and will again. Barring anything new received from you guys, I?ll just have to try again, paying great attention to the plate being centred and the engine/gearbox being at compatible angles. No attempt today as son-in-law is at work! 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It connects to the tail/license lamp harness (which I fused in case of wreck) and I ran a wire down the body loom into the under the dash toggle switch to manually turn it on. You could wire it in an elaborate way to come on with reverse, but this worked fine for me, for the little night driving I do. Also now-a-days an LED probably provides blinding light. Hank -----------------------------------------From: "Tom" To: "Healey Mail List" Cc: Sent: Tuesday September 28 2021 12:09:02PM Subject: [Healeys] reverse lamps It's getting dark early these days, and I thought it would be really useful to have reverse lamps on the back of my Healey. Has anyone added them, and what did you do? I searched the archives, but there was only one question and no follow-up to it. thanks, Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: rear.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 337180 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pdzwig at summaventures.com Tue Sep 28 15:49:07 2021 From: pdzwig at summaventures.com (Peter Dzwig) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2021 22:49:07 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: reverse lamps In-Reply-To: <3211a3b4-5a1a-1a32-f207-046d6eb3e563@summaventures.com> References: <3211a3b4-5a1a-1a32-f207-046d6eb3e563@summaventures.com> Message-ID: -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [Healeys] reverse lamps Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2021 22:48:32 +0100 From: Peter Dzwig Reply-To: pdzwig at summaventures.com Organisation: Summa Ventures Ltd To: Tom The way I did it was to fit a Lucas rear spot, which was pretty much standard in period. There are smaller alternatives, it just depends how much you want to see - and be seen. Mounting was on a special rear mount (like a standard fog mount) either on a rear fender or attached to the chassis or fitted via an additional custom mount. Light had to be turned on manually. Peter On 28/09/2021 20:03, Tom wrote: > It's getting dark early these days, and I thought it would be really > useful to have reverse lamps on the back of my Healey. > > Has anyone added them, and what did you do?? ?I searched the archives, > but there was only one question and no follow-up to it. > > thanks, > > Tom > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/pdzwig at summaventures.com > -- Dr. Peter Dzwig From healey.nut at gmail.com Tue Sep 28 16:36:08 2021 From: healey.nut at gmail.com (Alan Seigrist) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 06:36:08 +0800 Subject: [Healeys] reverse lamps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: to be honest they are cheap enough these days you could add a reverse cam too? and the cams are small, could be installed under the bumper On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 at 4:24 AM, Henry G Leach via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Hi Tom-years ago I added this reverse lamp made by Raydot. It connects to > the tail/license lamp harness (which I fused in case of wreck) and I ran a > wire down the body loom into the under the dash toggle switch to manually > turn it on. You could wire it in an elaborate way to come on with reverse, > but this worked fine for me, for the little night driving I do. Also > now-a-days an LED probably provides blinding light. Hank > > ----------------------------------------- > From: "Tom" > To: "Healey Mail List" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday September 28 2021 12:09:02PM > Subject: [Healeys] reverse lamps > > It's getting dark early these days, and I thought it would be really > useful to have reverse lamps on the back of my Healey. > > Has anyone added them, and what did you do? I searched the archives, but > there was only one question and no follow-up to it. > > thanks, > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From engl at accesscomm.ca Tue Sep 28 17:13:30 2021 From: engl at accesscomm.ca (Engl) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2021 17:13:30 -0600 Subject: [Healeys] reverse lamps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tom I have something very similar, except above the bumper rather than below and just inboard of the overrider rather than centred. I wired it similar to Hank except my switch is in a walnut panel I put in place of the speaker grille. Also put the driving light switch on this same panel. Bob England ?65 BJ8 > On Sep 28, 2021, at 2:23 PM, Henry G Leach via Healeys wrote: > > ?Hi Tom-years ago I added this reverse lamp made by Raydot. It connects to the tail/license lamp harness (which I fused in case of wreck) and I ran a wire down the body loom into the under the dash toggle switch to manually turn it on. You could wire it in an elaborate way to come on with reverse, but this worked fine for me, for the little night driving I do. Also now-a-days an LED probably provides blinding light. Hank > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "Tom" > To: "Healey Mail List" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday September 28 2021 12:09:02PM > Subject: [Healeys] reverse lamps > > It's getting dark early these days, and I thought it would be really useful to have reverse lamps on the back of my Healey. > > Has anyone added them, and what did you do? I searched the archives, but there was only one question and no follow-up to it. > > thanks, > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/engl at accesscomm.ca > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I?ve been over zealous but no harm. I do confess to, perhaps, being overly obsessed with ?centring?. I?ve been sitting on the cold garage floor with my head, at a most uncomfortable height, where the gearbox would sit. I?ve been lining it all up by eye. Hard to explain?..stick the black nylon thing in and try to centre it, by eye, within the circle at the centre of the ?plate ? release lever? (Thing held in by three metal clips). Idea being to keep the circumference of the nylon equidistant all the way round with the plate?s centre. If you see what I mean. What, I think, was happening was that the plate would move slightly off centre as the bolts were tightened up. One time, I got them precisely equidistant, but the shaft would not go in and out. I?ve reverted to my previous method which was to tighten up the bolts, little by little, whilst constantly checking the shaft for perfect in/out movement. By that method, at least, it?s perfectly aligned and I just await another pair of hands. Tomorrow, maybe. I shall support it underneath if I can. Hopefully with a trolley jack. It?s at an awkward height for that and that?ll be tricky. Thanks for your input, Simon Since you are doing it the right way, that is, a few turns at each time on each bolt, then it doesn't matter if you go criss-cross or 1,2 3. 4 etc. It's not like a wheel that must be centered using special tapered nuts. A clutch cover is a big spring. It does not have to be "centered" .... just clamped down uniformly. On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 1:57 AM > wrote: I?ve been doing it as one does a road wheel??.12 o?clock, 6 o?clock , 9 o?clock, 3 o?clock etcetc. Progressively, round and round about one turn at a time. Using the progress of the dowels as a reference. Are you suggesting to, say, start at 12 then to 1, to 2 etcetc? Progressively around the flywheel?? An interesting difference. I could start at the area from which ? I think ? the plate moves slightly off centre?. Simon From: richard mayor < boyracer466 at gmail.com> Sent: 28 September 2021 02:12 To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fwd: New Clutch query When you tighten the cover bolts are you doing it progressively? That is, tighten each one a bit at a time as you move around the bolt circle? That's the way to do it. On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 1:56 PM > wrote: Richard, Hi. Thanks for this. You can present the clutch and cover to the flywheel using the plastic tool. Tighten the cover just enough to hold the disc....... remove the plastic tool ......then insert the metal input shaft, loosen the bolt, finish the alignment and tighten the bolts. * Yes, I did work that out. And put it into practise. I reckon that I was almost there when one of the three little springs in the centre of the housing sprang out. So I had to take it all out and start again. No worry as I?m getting a lot of practise. * One thing?..I get it centralized when it?s all loose but, as I tighten the bolts, opposite after opposite, it seems to move off centre by about 2mm. Always to the same place. It?s a mystery as I?d guess I get it pretty tight before it starts to move. ie, it moves when it shouldn?t be able to. Or does it? Maybe the plate is staying still but the centre of the housing shifts as the springs tighten up. * I?ve the car up on ramps so can sit on the floor with my head sticking up where the gearbox would sit. PITA getting in and out, but effective. See pic. Another aid is to put an old fan belt around the back the transmission. One of you can then easily lift or lower the back end of the transmission to make things line up. * I use an old heavy lifting sling which achieves the same thing When I do it, I place a piece of 2x4 at the back of the cylinder head between it and the firewall. Because the engine is well balanced on its motor mounts it does not put much pressure on the firewall. It will do no damage. The engine in this position is well suited to receive the transmission. * I?ve got a piece of scaffolding plank under the sump. About 12? by 8? by 2.5?. I will be paying huge attention to the relative levels of engine and gearbox. I then use the floor jack to get the front of the transmision to the right level. Then you can guide the tranny forward using the fan belt to raise or lower the rear of the transmission. Make sure the transmission is in gear so you can turn the rear output flange as needed to get the clutch and input shaft splines to line up. I have used this method many times with success doing it all by myself. Take your time and with a bit of finesse it should slide right in. Never let the weight of the transmission hang on the input shaft and clutch. Use the floor jact to support the weight of the transmission at all times. * I will. For sure. Thanks again, Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eyera3000 at gmail.com Tue Sep 28 17:53:08 2021 From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2021 16:53:08 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] reverse lamps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a Toyota 5 spd was thinking about using the back up switch on it Ira Erbs 1959 AH 100-6 1967 MGB Milwaukie, OR On Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 12:09 PM Tom wrote: > It's getting dark early these days, and I thought it would be really > useful to have reverse lamps on the back of my Healey. > > Has anyone added them, and what did you do? 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URL: From tomfelts at windstream.net Wed Sep 29 05:23:18 2021 From: tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 07:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Healeys] New Clutch query In-Reply-To: References: <000001d7ae25$34998be0$9dcca3a0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <000d01d7af1f$20647360$612d5a20$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7afe2$fb7382c0$f25a8840$@alexarevel.plus.com> <005f01d7affa$df94ba70$9ebe2f50$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7b2e4$969fed70$c3dfc850$@alexarevel.plus.com> <004901d7b3b0$a1db9fa0$e592dee0$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <1490377117.301043081.1632914598042.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> Speaking of putting something on the splines--------do any of you coat the splines with permatex after inserting a new oil seal in the rear of your tranny shaft? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Spidell To: healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 11:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] New Clutch query Since we're grasping at input shafts, er, straws ... Did you lube the splines with anything? I know it's a slight risk given grease could be slung onto the disk or cover plate--although engine oil will likely end up in the vicinity sooner or later--I've always done it with no issues (if anybody cares, my favorite product for things like this is Redline's wheel bearing grease). I'm probably wrong, but I don't think 'centering' is the issue, as I think Simon was probably pretty careful about it, and I've never heard of anybody having trouble with a centering tool or input shaft. On 9/27/2021 8:02 AM, m.g.sharp--- via Healeys wrote: I agree with Richard ? I go through the same ?micro? centering process. From: richard mayor Sent: September 26, 2021 12:39 PM To:simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Cc:m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca; Healeys Subject: Re: [Healeys] New Clutch query One suggestion: When you use the centering tool (plastic or otherwise), tilt the tool all the way up then all the way down, then do the same from side to side, then split the difference with the tool in place when you tighten the pressure plate bolts. I personally go through this routine at least 2 or 3 times to make sure I am as close to the center position as possible. One question: Why do you think the metal input shaft is harder to use than the plastic tool? The input shaft is much longer than the plastic tool and you can get a better feel for finding the center position when moving it through its range of motion as you align the disc. On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 7:42 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote: To revert to the problem I?ve being having with my gearbox not wanting to reinstall to my new clutch?? Bleeding it made no difference.. It was a forlorn hope as I was sure I?d not lost any fluid but miracles are always welcome. The gearbox is on the workshop floor as is the new clutch. Before removing the new clutch I played around with the AH Spares plastic alignment tool and my spare shaft. Both went in without any trouble but I suppose they would have anyhow unless they?d been miles out?? The new clutch slides onto the shaft in the gearbox just as it should. See attached file??Seems to me that the old clutch was in pretty good shape and, with benefit of 20/20 hindsight, one might have left well alone! It?s been in there for 27 years that I know of. There were/are a few discrepancies between the old and new clutches. See attached. I don?t think these would matter???? Are there any obvious steps that I might have missed? Obvious, but, seemingly, not to me! I haven?t taken out the flywheel. Didn?t see why? It?s in; it?s straight/vertical and works. People state a preference for alignment with a spare shaft rather than the black plastic tool. I can see that the metal shaft might be somewhat more precise, but harder to use surely? I?m reluctant to reinstall and just repeat the whole sorry process?. Any suggestion? Thanks,Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomfelts at windstream.net Wed Sep 29 05:23:40 2021 From: tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 07:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Healeys] New Clutch query In-Reply-To: References: <000001d7ae25$34998be0$9dcca3a0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <000d01d7af1f$20647360$612d5a20$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7afe2$fb7382c0$f25a8840$@alexarevel.plus.com> <005f01d7affa$df94ba70$9ebe2f50$@sympatico.ca> <000001d7b2e4$969fed70$c3dfc850$@alexarevel.plus.com> <004901d7b3b0$a1db9fa0$e592dee0$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <1275030083.301043779.1632914620138.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> Speaking of putting something on the splines--------do any of you coat the splines with permatex after inserting a new oil seal in the rear of your tranny shaft? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Spidell To: healeys at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 11:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] New Clutch query Since we're grasping at input shafts, er, straws ... Did you lube the splines with anything? I know it's a slight risk given grease could be slung onto the disk or cover plate--although engine oil will likely end up in the vicinity sooner or later--I've always done it with no issues (if anybody cares, my favorite product for things like this is Redline's wheel bearing grease). I'm probably wrong, but I don't think 'centering' is the issue, as I think Simon was probably pretty careful about it, and I've never heard of anybody having trouble with a centering tool or input shaft. On 9/27/2021 8:02 AM, m.g.sharp--- via Healeys wrote: I agree with Richard ? I go through the same ?micro? centering process. From: richard mayor Sent: September 26, 2021 12:39 PM To:simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com Cc:m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca; Healeys Subject: Re: [Healeys] New Clutch query One suggestion: When you use the centering tool (plastic or otherwise), tilt the tool all the way up then all the way down, then do the same from side to side, then split the difference with the tool in place when you tighten the pressure plate bolts. I personally go through this routine at least 2 or 3 times to make sure I am as close to the center position as possible. One question: Why do you think the metal input shaft is harder to use than the plastic tool? The input shaft is much longer than the plastic tool and you can get a better feel for finding the center position when moving it through its range of motion as you align the disc. On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 7:42 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote: To revert to the problem I?ve being having with my gearbox not wanting to reinstall to my new clutch?? Bleeding it made no difference.. It was a forlorn hope as I was sure I?d not lost any fluid but miracles are always welcome. The gearbox is on the workshop floor as is the new clutch. Before removing the new clutch I played around with the AH Spares plastic alignment tool and my spare shaft. Both went in without any trouble but I suppose they would have anyhow unless they?d been miles out?? The new clutch slides onto the shaft in the gearbox just as it should. See attached file??Seems to me that the old clutch was in pretty good shape and, with benefit of 20/20 hindsight, one might have left well alone! It?s been in there for 27 years that I know of. There were/are a few discrepancies between the old and new clutches. See attached. I don?t think these would matter???? Are there any obvious steps that I might have missed? Obvious, but, seemingly, not to me! I haven?t taken out the flywheel. Didn?t see why? It?s in; it?s straight/vertical and works. People state a preference for alignment with a spare shaft rather than the black plastic tool. I can see that the metal shaft might be somewhat more precise, but harder to use surely? I?m reluctant to reinstall and just repeat the whole sorry process?. Any suggestion? Thanks,Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomfelts at windstream.net Wed Sep 29 06:08:26 2021 From: tomfelts at windstream.net (Tom Felts) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Healeys] rear oil seal in tranny Message-ID: <645368127.301123151.1632917306098.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> May have mentioned before---but anyway----had BJ8 tranny and OD rebuilt----supposedly a new oil seal was installed in the rear drive shaft. Added oil. It leaked out of the back of the seal. Pulled nut, removed seal. now waiting for new seal. when I put it back, should I use a smear of Permatex around rear of oil seal and on the splines if the drive shaft?BTW--I'm doing this while the tranny is installed.Thanks Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bspidell at comcast.net Wed Sep 29 07:57:14 2021 From: bspidell at comcast.net (Bob Spidell) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 06:57:14 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] rear oil seal in tranny In-Reply-To: <645368127.301123151.1632917306098.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> References: <645368127.301123151.1632917306098.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> Message-ID: <9950a607-141d-eef5-c539-216579f48db1@comcast.net> Doesn't hurt (sometimes I do, sometimes I don't). I'd use Hylomar or something that doesn't harden or say 'adhesive;' could make it very hard to remove (hopefully, not necessary--again). Very thin film only, most of it will get pushed out anyway. On 9/29/2021 5:08 AM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote: > May have mentioned before---but anyway----had BJ8 tranny and OD > rebuilt----supposedly a new oil seal was installed in the rear drive > shaft.? ?Added oil.? It leaked out of the back of the seal.? Pulled > nut, removed seal.? now waiting for new seal. when I put it back, > should I use a smear of Permatex around rear of oil seal and on the > splines if the drive shaft? > > BTW--I'm doing this while the tranny is installed. > > Thanks Tom > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From healeydoc at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 29 08:05:52 2021 From: healeydoc at sbcglobal.net (David Nock BCS) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 07:05:52 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] rear oil seal in tranny In-Reply-To: <645368127.301123151.1632917306098.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> References: <645368127.301123151.1632917306098.JavaMail.zimbra@windstream.net> Message-ID: <1580BB611A354E0FA0043C42DCC522CC@DavidNockHP> Yes smear a little Permatex on the seal the the housing. I will help seal the seal to the case. Also will allow the seal to install a little easier. David Nock British Car Specialists 209-948-8767 www.britishcarspecialists.com From: Tom Felts via Healeys Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 5:08 AM To: healeys Subject: [Healeys] rear oil seal in tranny May have mentioned before---but anyway----had BJ8 tranny and OD rebuilt----supposedly a new oil seal was installed in the rear drive shaft. Added oil. It leaked out of the back of the seal. Pulled nut, removed seal. now waiting for new seal. when I put it back, should I use a smear of Permatex around rear of oil seal and on the splines if the drive shaft? BTW--I'm doing this while the tranny is installed. Thanks Tom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeydoc at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I know it shouldn't but it did. Resolved by smearing a little Permatex on the washer on the coupling side... M On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 9:57 AM Bob Spidell wrote: > Doesn't hurt (sometimes I do, sometimes I don't). I'd use Hylomar or > something that doesn't harden or say 'adhesive;' could make it very hard to > remove (hopefully, not necessary--again). Very thin film only, most of it > will get pushed out anyway. > > > On 9/29/2021 5:08 AM, Tom Felts via Healeys wrote: > > May have mentioned before---but anyway----had BJ8 tranny and OD > rebuilt----supposedly a new oil seal was installed in the rear drive > shaft. Added oil. It leaked out of the back of the seal. Pulled nut, > removed seal. now waiting for new seal. when I put it back, should I use > a smear of Permatex around rear of oil seal and on the splines if the drive > shaft? > > BTW--I'm doing this while the tranny is installed. > > Thanks Tom > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stmiller96 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 29 19:02:58 2021 From: stmiller96 at hotmail.com (S and T Miller) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 01:02:58 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] 100 door vinyl original glue technique Message-ID: How did the factory go about gluing the bottom inner vinyl material to the inner door? So if you glue it tight there is a brace running up the middle that will show through, and also there would be a 90 degree ledge where it meets the horizontal wood middle support (below the upper vinyl covered panel). I'm fairly certain there was no backing material on this piece of vinyl from the factory. My thought is to glue to the metal brace and glue a distance away to create a nice transition. And the same method from the horizontal mid wood support which would leave some unglued void areas between the vinyl and the inner door. I do realize that adding some backing takes care of the issues, but am interested in how it was done originally. I don't recall mine having any backing, and my original vinyl is too stiff and pulled away to tell how it was done. Once I flattened out my originals, they did make fantastic templates to cut the new vinyl from. TIA, Shawn The Millers "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test drive." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gradea1 at charter.net Wed Sep 29 19:49:55 2021 From: gradea1 at charter.net (gradea1 at charter.net) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 01:49:55 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] 100 door vinyl original glue technique Message-ID: <699ed6510ee6ed345831cc5e5f2955a330813dfb@webmail> Check with Geoff at Rightway Heritage Trimming for correct procedure. There is a thin cotton backing behind the vinyl, and the upper panel screws into a block midway over that area. Geoff does beautiful concours quality work which matches original. Has lots of photos on his site to compare finished item. Hank -----------------------------------------From: "S and T Miller via Healeys" To: "healeys at autox.team.net" Cc: Sent: Wednesday September 29 2021 6:03:54PM Subject: [Healeys] 100 door vinyl original glue technique How did the factory go about gluing the bottom inner vinyl material to the inner door? So if you glue it tight there is a brace running up the middle that will show through, and also there would be a 90 degree ledge where it meets the horizontal wood middle support (below the upper vinyl covered panel). I'm fairly certain there was no backing material on this piece of vinyl from the factory. My thought is to glue to the metal brace and glue a distance away to create a nice transition. And the same method from the horizontal mid wood support which would leave some unglued void areas between the vinyl and the inner door. I do realize that adding some backing takes care of the issues, but am interested in how it was done originally. I don't recall mine having any backing, and my original vinyl is too stiff and pulled away to tell how it was done. Once I flattened out my originals, they did make fantastic templates to cut the new vinyl from. TIA, Shawn The Millers "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test drive." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: door panel.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 219717 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rantal243 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 30 13:10:27 2021 From: rantal243 at yahoo.com (Richard Antal) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 19:10:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Healeys] 12 volt outlet References: <1039558113.718744.1633029027619.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1039558113.718744.1633029027619@mail.yahoo.com> Greetings fellow Healeyphiles,???? I wish to install a 12 volt outlet in my BJ8. 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It was fairly straightforward, as the 5-speed already is wired for the back-up light. ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller From: Healeys On Behalf Of i erbs via Healeys Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 7:53 PM To: Tom Cc: Healey Mail List Subject: Re: [Healeys] reverse lamps I have a Toyota 5 spd was thinking about using the back up switch on it Ira Erbs 1959 AH 100-6 1967 MGB Milwaukie, OR On Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 12:09 PM Tom > wrote: It's getting dark early these days, and I thought it would be really useful to have reverse lamps on the back of my Healey. Has anyone added them, and what did you do? I searched the archives, but there was only one question and no follow-up to it. thanks, Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive Healeys at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3000 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eyera3000 at gmail.com Thu Sep 30 19:31:09 2021 From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 18:31:09 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] reverse lamps In-Reply-To: <00a601d7b662$2b580d00$82082700$@gmail.com> References: <00a601d7b662$2b580d00$82082700$@gmail.com> Message-ID: It has the relay. I still need to wire it up and source a period correct light. Thanks for the info Can you find out what light he used? Ira Erbs 1959 AH 100-6 1967 MGB Milwaukie, OR On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 6:17 PM wrote: > Ira ? one of the guys here recently put a back-up light on his Toyota > 5-speed equipped BJ-8, and is happy with the outcome. It was fairly > straightforward, as the 5-speed already is wired for the back-up light. > > > > ---------------- > > All the best, > > > > Al Fuller > > > > *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *i erbs > via Healeys > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2021 7:53 PM > *To:* Tom > *Cc:* Healey Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] reverse lamps > > > > I have a Toyota 5 spd was thinking about using the back up switch on it > > Ira Erbs > 1959 AH 100-6 > 1967 MGB > Milwaukie, OR > > > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 12:09 PM Tom wrote: > > It's getting dark early these days, and I thought it would be really > useful to have reverse lamps on the back of my Healey. > > > > Has anyone added them, and what did you do? 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URL: From eyera3000 at gmail.com Thu Sep 30 19:34:54 2021 From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 18:34:54 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] 12 volt outlet In-Reply-To: <1039558113.718744.1633029027619@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1039558113.718744.1633029027619.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1039558113.718744.1633029027619@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I sourced a marine grade outlet from a local boat supply store. Made a bracket and velcro to the bottom of My heater box for quick removal. You have a wood dash and console so not sure. I have thought the rear bulhead in front of rear seats and just drill a hole. Put a rubber boot over it to keep it dry Ira Erbs 1959 AH 100-6 1967 MGB Milwaukie, OR On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 12:11 PM Richard Antal via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Greetings fellow Healeyphiles, > I wish to install a 12 volt outlet in my BJ8. Where is the best place > to locate it and is any outlet more suitable or more easily installed than > others? How is it wired? I assume many of us must have such items installed > to power cell phones, Gps, etc. Any advice or pictiures much appreciated. > Thank you. > rich antal > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3000 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eyera3000 at gmail.com Thu Sep 30 19:38:16 2021 From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 18:38:16 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Shipping ideas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When I bought mine I used a third party shipper who picked it up. A lister recommended it. I can look back through old emails, but hopefully then can pipe up. Cheapest way to ship Stateside Ira Erbs 1959 AH 100-6 1967 MGB Milwaukie, OR On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 4:26 PM Harold Manifold via Healeys < healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: > Fred, > > > > There are a number of variables when shipping from across the pond. The > cost is based on a combination of weight and volume. If the item is heavy > and compact weight will govern, if light and bulking then volume or maximum > dimension. Royal Mail is usually a better option than DHL, UPS etc if the > package will fit within Royal Mail restrictions. My experience is DHL is > the worst option due to higher cost and hidden fees but some of the UK > vendors are locked in to DHL. > > > > My suggest is to have Cape International take responsibility for as many > of the shipping fees as they can and include the cost on your quote. If you > are shipping into Canada the items are duty fee but the shipper must put > the Canadian Harmonized Tariff code on the documents. The US likely has an > equivalent duty free HT code. > > > > Good luck?. Harold > > > > > > *From: *Fred Wescoe via Healeys > *Sent: *Thursday, September 30, 2021 3:18 PM > *To: *healeys > *Subject: *[Healeys] Shipping ideas > > > > Listers, > > > > I am considering purchasing a luggage rack from Cape International. I > like the Cape style because it does not require drilling holes in the > "boot" lid. I have heard varied comments about the types and costs of > shipping to the states for this size item. What shipping choices and costs > have others experienced from across the pond? 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I still need to wire it up and source a period correct > light. > Thanks for the info > Can you find out what light he used? > > Ira Erbs > 1959 AH 100-6 > 1967 MGB > Milwaukie, OR > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 6:17 PM wrote: > >> Ira ? one of the guys here recently put a back-up light on his Toyota >> 5-speed equipped BJ-8, and is happy with the outcome. It was fairly >> straightforward, as the 5-speed already is wired for the back-up light. >> >> >> >> ---------------- >> >> All the best, >> >> >> >> Al Fuller >> >> >> >> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *i erbs >> via Healeys >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2021 7:53 PM >> *To:* Tom >> *Cc:* Healey Mail List >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] reverse lamps >> >> >> >> I have a Toyota 5 spd was thinking about using the back up switch on it >> >> Ira Erbs >> 1959 AH 100-6 >> 1967 MGB >> Milwaukie, OR >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 12:09 PM Tom wrote: >> >> It's getting dark early these days, and I thought it would be really >> useful to have reverse lamps on the back of my Healey. >> >> >> >> Has anyone added them, and what did you do? I searched the archives, >> but there was only one question and no follow-up to it. >> >> >> >> thanks, >> >> >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3000 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Healeys at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/drtommitch at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And hope to find a period lamp, but that will clearly light up the night Ira Erbs 1959 AH 100-6 1967 MGB Milwaukie, OR On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 7:18 PM Tom Mitchell wrote: > Hi Ira, > I used this light, yet wired both the plate light and reverse light > together. > > 1PC 12V 90-SMD LED 1400 Lumen > Xenon White Universal Fit for any cars License Plate Light Bolt On Lamp or > Backup Reverse Lights > > > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08YFL9G2Y/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_5M4ANSGD2SCTYZPVZN8X?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 > > Super easy with the Toyota. > The harness was too much money, so I wired directly to the switch. > > I hope this helps. > I thought I had a picture of it on my phone, yet can't find it. > > Tom > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 8:40 PM i erbs via Healeys > wrote: > >> It has the relay. I still need to wire it up and source a period correct >> light. >> Thanks for the info >> Can you find out what light he used? >> >> Ira Erbs >> 1959 AH 100-6 >> 1967 MGB >> Milwaukie, OR >> >> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 6:17 PM wrote: >> >>> Ira ? one of the guys here recently put a back-up light on his Toyota >>> 5-speed equipped BJ-8, and is happy with the outcome. It was fairly >>> straightforward, as the 5-speed already is wired for the back-up light. >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------- >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> >>> >>> Al Fuller >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *i erbs >>> via Healeys >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2021 7:53 PM >>> *To:* Tom >>> *Cc:* Healey Mail List >>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] reverse lamps >>> >>> >>> >>> I have a Toyota 5 spd was thinking about using the back up switch on it >>> >>> Ira Erbs >>> 1959 AH 100-6 >>> 1967 MGB >>> Milwaukie, OR >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 12:09 PM Tom wrote: >>> >>> It's getting dark early these days, and I thought it would be really >>> useful to have reverse lamps on the back of my Healey. >>> >>> >>> >>> Has anyone added them, and what did you do? I searched the archives, >>> but there was only one question and no follow-up to it. >>> >>> >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3000 at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Healeys at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/drtommitch at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And hope to find a period lamp, but that will > clearly light up the night > > Ira Erbs > 1959 AH 100-6 > 1967 MGB > Milwaukie, OR > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 7:18 PM Tom Mitchell wrote: > >> Hi Ira, >> I used this light, yet wired both the plate light and reverse light >> together. >> >> 1PC 12V 90-SMD LED 1400 Lumen >> Xenon White Universal Fit for any cars License Plate Light Bolt On Lamp >> or Backup Reverse Lights >> >> >> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08YFL9G2Y/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_5M4ANSGD2SCTYZPVZN8X?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 >> >> Super easy with the Toyota. >> The harness was too much money, so I wired directly to the switch. >> >> I hope this helps. >> I thought I had a picture of it on my phone, yet can't find it. >> >> Tom >> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 8:40 PM i erbs via Healeys >> wrote: >> >>> It has the relay. I still need to wire it up and source a period correct >>> light. >>> Thanks for the info >>> Can you find out what light he used? >>> >>> Ira Erbs >>> 1959 AH 100-6 >>> 1967 MGB >>> Milwaukie, OR >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 6:17 PM wrote: >>> >>>> Ira ? one of the guys here recently put a back-up light on his Toyota >>>> 5-speed equipped BJ-8, and is happy with the outcome. It was fairly >>>> straightforward, as the 5-speed already is wired for the back-up light. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------- >>>> >>>> All the best, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Al Fuller >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *i erbs >>>> via Healeys >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2021 7:53 PM >>>> *To:* Tom >>>> *Cc:* Healey Mail List >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] reverse lamps >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I have a Toyota 5 spd was thinking about using the back up switch on it >>>> >>>> Ira Erbs >>>> 1959 AH 100-6 >>>> 1967 MGB >>>> Milwaukie, OR >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 12:09 PM Tom wrote: >>>> >>>> It's getting dark early these days, and I thought it would be really >>>> useful to have reverse lamps on the back of my Healey. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Has anyone added them, and what did you do? I searched the archives, >>>> but there was only one question and no follow-up to it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>> >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >>>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> >>>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3000 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/drtommitch at gmail.com >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eyera3000 at gmail.com Thu Sep 30 20:45:08 2021 From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 19:45:08 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] reverse lamps In-Reply-To: References: <00a601d7b662$2b580d00$82082700$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I bet. But it I have no bumper to hide it. Thanks Ira Erbs 1959 AH 100-6 1967 MGB Milwaukie, OR On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 7:43 PM Tom Mitchell wrote: > I understand. > > The way I mounted is at the top of my license plate and below my bumper, > so it's not too noticable until I put it in reverse then it lights up > everything behind me > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 9:28 PM i erbs wrote: > >> Thanks >> I have frogeye bumperettes. And hope to find a period lamp, but that will >> clearly light up the night >> >> Ira Erbs >> 1959 AH 100-6 >> 1967 MGB >> Milwaukie, OR >> >> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 7:18 PM Tom Mitchell wrote: >> >>> Hi Ira, >>> I used this light, yet wired both the plate light and reverse light >>> together. >>> >>> 1PC 12V 90-SMD LED 1400 Lumen >>> Xenon White Universal Fit for any cars License Plate Light Bolt On Lamp >>> or Backup Reverse Lights >>> >>> >>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08YFL9G2Y/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_5M4ANSGD2SCTYZPVZN8X?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 >>> >>> Super easy with the Toyota. >>> The harness was too much money, so I wired directly to the switch. >>> >>> I hope this helps. >>> I thought I had a picture of it on my phone, yet can't find it. >>> >>> Tom >>> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 8:40 PM i erbs via Healeys >>> wrote: >>> >>>> It has the relay. I still need to wire it up and source a period >>>> correct light. >>>> Thanks for the info >>>> Can you find out what light he used? >>>> >>>> Ira Erbs >>>> 1959 AH 100-6 >>>> 1967 MGB >>>> Milwaukie, OR >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 6:17 PM wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ira ? one of the guys here recently put a back-up light on his Toyota >>>>> 5-speed equipped BJ-8, and is happy with the outcome. It was fairly >>>>> straightforward, as the 5-speed already is wired for the back-up light. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------------- >>>>> >>>>> All the best, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Al Fuller >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Healeys *On Behalf Of *i >>>>> erbs via Healeys >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2021 7:53 PM >>>>> *To:* Tom >>>>> *Cc:* Healey Mail List >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] reverse lamps >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have a Toyota 5 spd was thinking about using the back up switch on it >>>>> >>>>> Ira Erbs >>>>> 1959 AH 100-6 >>>>> 1967 MGB >>>>> Milwaukie, OR >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 12:09 PM Tom wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It's getting dark early these days, and I thought it would be really >>>>> useful to have reverse lamps on the back of my Healey. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone added them, and what did you do? I searched the archives, >>>>> but there was only one question and no follow-up to it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> thanks, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>>> >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >>>>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>>>> >>>>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3000 at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>> >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys >>>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> >>>> Healeys at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/drtommitch at gmail.com >>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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