[Healeys] asbestos panels

gradea1 at charter.net gradea1 at charter.net
Thu Jan 14 19:27:19 MST 2021 

Sorry, that was the wrong photo...all that got replaced thanks to
Kilmartin. I was trying to show a Hardiplank panel in place. A sheet
was eventually added above the muffler. Here is the correct picture.
Note that early 100s did not have a panel on the top of the footwell,
just on the lower front and side. Hank

	-----------------------------------------From: "Graeme Molony" 
To: gradea1 at charter.net
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday January 14 2021 3:18:21PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] asbestos and mesothelioma

   Hank   Looks a bit like the white ants got into the firewall panel
The rocker panel also looks as though it needs replacement   Memories 
  Graeme M  ( BJ8 )  Affectionely known as the Fred Flinstone Car
      FROM: gradea1 at charter.net SENT: Friday, January 15, 2021 6:07 AM
TO: 'Bob Spidell' CC: 'healeys at autox.team.net' SUBJECT: Re: [Healeys]
asbestos and mesothelioma       You can, for sure, bet that the guys
who cut and applied all those asbestos panels to our Healeys are long
gone. I found the best substitute for those hairy items is 5/16"
HardiPlank soffit material-which also should be used carefully when
cutting; using a mask and gloves and eye protection as well-but it
does not flake off and looks original.   I lost two brother-in-laws,
who were both in the Navy, to that...working in the boiler room. There
is a super fund to pay off the surviving families, but wives of the
victims could get it just doing the laundry! Hank

	----------------------------------------- From: "Bob Spidell"
 To: healeys at autox.team.net
 Cc:
 Sent: Thursday January 14 2021 10:02:18AM
 Subject: Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet

 Steve McQueen (the actor) died of mesothelioma. Urban legend says he
contracted it from working in a brake shop--Healey content: I believe
he campaigned a Sprite for a while--but it's more likely he got it in
the Navy. True to character, he was a 'bad boy' and for punishment was
assigned to clean up parts of the ships that were insulated with
asbestos. It wasn't an intentional death sentence; it was before the
dangers of asbestos were widely known.

 I caught a news item years ago about a city in Russia that got its
entire revenue from a nearby asbestos mine. The city is mostly
abandoned now, for good reason, but a few stragglers stuck aroun. One
was an octogenarian who had worked in the mine most of his life but
never got sick from it. Do they have lotteries in Russia? If so, he
should buy a ticket.

On 1/14/2021 8:42 AM, m.g.sharp at sympatico.ca wrote:

	I believe it is a bit more than just “dust” as if you were
cutting it. Asbestos is fiberous and the fibres are composed of
microscopic components that will shed with any abrasion, even simple
handling. The microscopic fibrils become airborne and are easily
inhaled. They can also adhere to your skin and clothing and be
transferred later, after the job is finished. I am no expert, but
suspect a short, once-in-a-lifetime exposure are probably not a risk,
but why take even a small risk when exposure is easily prevented. 

	What worries me is when I look back to when I was a kid working in a
gas station in the 60s and when the mechanics did a brake job, the
first thing they did after removing the brake drums was take an air
hose and blow the brake dust off the shoes and backing plate etc. Of
course brake material had asbestos fibres in it back then and these
clouds of black asbestos-filled dust would fill the shop for us all to
enjoy. 

	Cheers, Mirek 

	FROM: Healeys  ON BEHALF OF Jean Caron
SENT: January 14, 2021 11:16 AM
TO: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com; 'Perry Small' 
CC: healeys at autox.team.net
SUBJECT: Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet   

	I have always been told that it is the dust of asbestos that is
dangerous, not the board itself. I recall many years ago helping a
friend with these on his Austin-Healey and he was totally afraid of
even removing these panels, he was wearing a mask, and then a shield
and gloves, that’s even before they had these “hazmat” suits.
Meanwhile he smoked a pack to a pack and half of cigarettes daily
which eventually and unfortunately took his life. 

	Jean 

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	FROM: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com
SENT: January 14, 2021 8:47 AM
TO: 'Perry Small'
CC: healeys at autox.team.net
SUBJECT: Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet  

	Thank you to everyone regarding the sheet.
 I gave it a gentle pry, per Perry's advice, and then one rather less
gentle.
 It just popped off. Intact and without cracking or breaking.
 I wonder if it is asbestos. It looked to be in really good condition,
but it
 was there when I bought the car back in '96.
 Anyhow, I was able to easily put the slide's 3 T-nuts in and
reinstall the
 sheet. All suitably masked of course.
 Simon

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Perry Small 
 Sent: 11 January 2021 19:11
 To: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com
 Cc: healeys at autox.team.net
 Subject: asbestos lookalike insulation sheet

 Simon
 Notice the square blocks attached to the big sheet. They have been
known to
 bond themselves to the bottom of the floor pan. Gentle pry them
loose.
 Perry

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