[Healeys] Four cylinder woes, part two!

Charles Schott schottc at knology.net
Fri Mar 13 09:23:36 MDT 2020


Bill or anyone else, 

Does anyone know where I can get a 100 4 oil pan. The machine shop"lost" mine. Thanks. 

Regards, 

Charlie 

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From: "WILLIAM B LAWRENCE" <ynotink at msn.com> 
To: "Steven Kingsbury via Healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net>, "Michael MacLean" <rrengineer.mike at att.net> 
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:10:12 AM 
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Four cylinder woes, part two! 

I’ve always preferred garage time to ball games anyway. 

Bill Lawrence 
BN1 #554 
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 12:19:19 AM 
To: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike at att.net> 
Cc: healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Four cylinder woes, part two! 
I've got a guy who builds engines for Bonneville advising me, so if he says, hone the cylinders, I will, if he says they look fine, I'm going to take his word for it. As far as the clutch, the little I did drive her, that felt really good and if I'm going to do the clutch, I will pull the transmission through the cockpit and do it that way. Done that before and that's just a day job. 
As far as everything else, no leaks so why take things apart when they're not leaking? Rocker assembly seemed actually nice and tight and solid, so the etc, etc, etc will be done if needed, if not needed, it won't. I'm not going half ass, but I'm also not creating work just because I'm here. Now if I find the crank is a mess, well then, that's a whole new ball game and it will be dealt with. And since we don't have any ball games left right now, it will still be fun. 
Steven Kingsbury 

On March 12, 2020 at 4:32 PM, Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike at att.net> wrote: 





Not honing the cylinders? While it's apart, how old is the clutch? Rocker assembly? Thrust rings? Seals. front and rear, etc., etc. 

Mike MacLean 

On Thursday, March 12, 2020, 4:29:26 PM PDT, Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote: 


Latest update, took the head to a friend's machine shop and took the valves out. All the intake vales had build up of soft carbon, a sign of burning oil I was told and I'm going to have to also pull the pistons to redo the rings. Fun, but I'm here, so why not? I'm also going to get new valve guides pressed in and replace the ones in the head as the valves seem to rock a bit going up and down. The head though is not warped and is straight, but I will get it checked out for cracks and resurface the head to make it super smooth. 
I'm also going to drop the pan, and push the pistons out of the block and replace the rings. And yes, I will plastiguage the crank to make sure it's in good shape and install new rod bearings when in there. 
I am also going to remove the tappet cover and take a good, hard, close up look at all the lifters to make sure that's not a problem. Right now, in for a penny, in for a pound. Sterling that is. 
Basically, I'm making sure everything is correct this time and then I will have no one but me to blame if it doesn't work. But all in all, it seems pretty simple. So stay tuned for further updates as they happen. 
Thanks for all the input, suggestions and guesses. This is actually quite the fun project. 
Steven Kingsbury 

On March 12, 2020 at 12:38 PM, John Harper <ah100register at gmail.com> wrote: 


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Hank 

The fact that number 2 exhaust valve is not the same colour as the others might be a clue. Maybe it is not closing fully? It would be worth checking for a stuck valve guide, broken spring or just lost clearance. A partially seized rocker is possible but not likely. This may not be the problem but it would not take much effort to pull the valve out and check for any burning on the working face. 

Best regards 

On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 18:18, < gradea1 at charter.net > wrote: 

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Hi Steven-good to hear from you! 

That's a nice test, but I would magnaflux the head for cracks between 2-3 and have it shaved flat..could be a head gasket leak due to warped head...especially if valves and rings checked good. 

Also, I don't recommend NGK plugs- use Champion N-5...maybe cause of carbon on valves. Unless cam is flat, valve spring broken or tappet rods bent/broken, problem is in head-block fit. 

Regards, Hank Leach 




----------------------------------------- From: "Steven Kingsbury via Healeys" 
To: healeys at autox.teamnet 
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday March 12 2020 9:40:25AM 
Subject: [Healeys] Four cylinder woes, part two! 

Okay, here's the latest! I finally got to pull my head If you remember, I had 155 lbs of pressure in cylinders 1, 3, and 4 and only 25 lbs in cylinder number two. So with the head off, I was prepared to find a problem with I flipped it over to expose the valves, no such luck. Other than number two exhaust valve being a bit black, no cracks, nothing stuck and it looked fine. So then I went to look into the cylinders themselves, walls smooth, flat high compression pistons smooth, number three a bit rough on the top, but other than that and good. 
So then I went back to the head, put the spark plugs back in and filled the combustion chambers with paint thinner to see where it would leak out. Filled each chamber evenly and waited. Twelve hours later, and other than evaporation, no leaks! All chambers still even in their fluid retention. 
So then I rotated the crank to get all the pistons to an almost even position and put paint thinner in the cylinders at the same depth. No quick leak, not one cylinder faster than the others and all the fluid finally drained out smoothly and evenly in each cylinder. 
I'm a bit stumped. My next step is taking the head to a guy in town, an old machinist who builds his own engines and runs his car at Bonneville in the 300 mph range. He knows what he's doing and I'm sure he will give me some sage advice and help. Also as a side note, I went over the head with a magnifying glass and can see now cracks, but that doesn't mean they are not there I know. I was just thinking with a 100 pound plus difference, something would be obvious. 
I am also going to be taking off the tappet cover on the side, inspect all the lifters and see what I can find there. Like I said, I'm a bit perplexed, but I'm not done. I will find something wrong! Here are some photos for you, maybe you can see something I can't. 

Here's the head, upside down and you can see the exhaust valve on number two is blacker than the others, but no cracks, chips, or visible damage. 
And here's the fluid I placed in the combustion chambers. It didn't drain out and just sat there. 



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