[Healeys] Today's Rant

Michael Oritt michael.oritt at gmail.com
Fri Apr 24 12:51:31 MDT 2020 

Metrification has been a success in the street drug trade:  Every school
kid knows that there are 28 grams in an ounce.

Best--Michael Oritt

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:12 PM i erbs <eyera3000 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yup,
> The US was going to convert, but busineses and manufacturers raised a
> storm over the cost to convert, so it never officially happened.
>
> Ira Erbs
> Portland,OR
> 59 BN4
> 67MGB
> 65 AH Sprite
> phone makes it's own choices. Forgive typos
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, 2:15 AM <simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com> wrote:
>
>> “Flirted”? To tell the truth, I’d never given it much thought but had
>> “assumed” that the US had resisted metrification. Don’t I recall that all
>> oil-producing kit is Imperial because of US domination in that area? And
>> planes……?
>>
>> I do know that, when Ted “The Grocer” Heath dragged the UK into the
>> Common Market, we were supposed to go Metric. There were some hiccups along
>> the way. A pint of beer remains a pint. As did a pint of milk whilst milk
>> bottles still existed.
>>
>> EU: “You must cease drinking pints forthwith. You will obey”.
>>
>> UK: “Won’t. Can’t. Shan’t”.
>>
>> Etcetc Finally:
>>
>> EU: “You will obey”.
>>
>> UK: “OK. We will keep pint glasses (From which we will drink proper beer
>> unlike your pallid Europ*ss). We will refer to those glasses as “pints”
>> whilst acknowledging that they contain
>>
>> 568.261ml litres each.
>>
>> EU: “Zut, alors. We surrender. Have some cheese”.
>>
>> Aren’t we all allowed the occasional rant?
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* i erbs <eyera3000 at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* 24 April 2020 02:55
>> *To:* WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink at msn.com>
>> *Cc:* simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com; Patrick & Caroline Quinn <
>> p_cquinn at tpg.com.au>; Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
>>
>>
>>
>> When the US flirted with metrifying and production when to canada and
>> mexico they made standard threaded bolts with metric heads so factories
>> there could use metric tools
>>
>> Ira Erbs
>> Portland,OR
>> 59 BN4
>> 67MGB
>> 65 AH Sprite
>> phone makes it's own choices. Forgive typos
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:17 PM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think you have it backwards. The original GM design would have used the
>> UNC thread pattern with a 9/16” bolt head. The design predated
>> metrification in the US by a few decades. When Rover went metric, sometime
>> in the 80s probably, they retained the US standard thread pattern while
>> changing to a metric standard bolt head. It would probably have been more
>> costly to retool the engine castings to switch to a metric thread pattern.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Lawrence
>>
>> BN1 #554
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* i erbs <eyera3000 at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 7:13 PM
>> *To:* WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink at msn.com>
>> *Cc:* simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com <
>> simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com>; Patrick & Caroline Quinn <
>> p_cquinn at tpg.com.au>; Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
>>
>>
>>
>> Gm did that to rationalize tools as you say, but save money on not
>> converting thread and pitch to metric. I had a 87 Olds with that exact
>> situation. But also standards bolts heads too in some areas.
>>
>> Ira Erbs
>> Portland,OR
>> 59 BN4
>> 67MGB
>> 65 AH Sprite
>> phone makes it's own choices. Forgive typos
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 11:39 AM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> In the midst of my recent Rover V8 rebuild I was surprised to discover
>> that while all of the fasteners used metric wrench sizes many in the short
>> block used the UNC thread type ie: a 3/8" coarse bolt with a 13 mm head. I
>> assume that Rover simply continued the UNC pattern of the original GM
>> castings and changed the head size to simplify tool inventory.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Lawrence
>>
>> BN1 #554
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of
>> simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com <simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 12:20 AM
>> *To:* 'Patrick & Caroline Quinn' <p_cquinn at tpg.com.au>
>> *Cc:* 'Healeys' <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a vague memory of what we called “Transitional Rovers” ie a mix of
>> Imperial and Metric. All ¾ tonner long wheel-base. All UK based. They may
>> have been peculiar to the army.
>>
>> Glad I wasn’t in REME…..they had to maintain them.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Patrick
>> & Caroline Quinn
>> *Sent:* 23 April 2020 00:23
>> *To:* 'David Nock' <healeydoc at gmail.com>; 'Michael MacLean' <
>> rrengineer.mike at att.net>
>> *Cc:* 'Healeys' <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
>>
>>
>>
>> G’day
>>
>>
>>
>> Not long after I bought my first 100 back in 1972 I turned 21 and one of
>> the birthday gifts I received was a set of BSF spanners and sockets. I
>> still have them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now I have three sets of tools. BSF for the Healey Saloon. AF for the 100
>> BN3 and metric for the Hilux, Mercedes and around the house. There are many
>> variations of each for specific purposes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hoo Roo
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick Quinn
>>
>> Blue Mountains, Australia
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net
>> <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net>] *On Behalf Of *David Nock
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 22 April 2020 11:59 PM
>> *To:* Michael MacLean
>> *Cc:* Healeys
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
>>
>>
>>
>> All the threads on the 100/4 engine are BSF not Whitworth.  Whitworth is
>> a coarse thread.
>>
>> However the wrench sizes are interchangeable. They are one size apart
>> from each other.
>>
>>
>>
>> The threads on the small plate are 1/4 bsf and the gen bracket is 5/16
>> bsf. Also look close there are some of the studs that go thru into the
>> cooling system.
>>
>> David Nock
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:18 PM, Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike at att.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> So, I am getting ready to install the head on my 100 short block.  Made
>> sure all the intake valves have the new seals I bought from British Car
>> Specialists plus the new set of springs I already had for the valves.  The
>> two mating surfaces were cleaned with a white (finest grit) Roloc brush.  I
>> have the correct head gasket (copper faced).   Tonight was the night to
>> torque the head down to the block.  My surprise, for some stupid reason I
>> only ordered 8 new head nuts.  I managed to order the correct amount of
>> washer for the head.  No idea what my pea brain was thinking.  Also found
>> out the head nuts are Whitworth (3/8")  size.  I have a Whitworth socket
>> set, so tragedy averted there.  I seem to remember someone talking about
>> the water jacket blanking plate earlier this week.  That made me look at
>> the front of my block.  Three studs and an empty hole.  No cover.  I
>> managed to find two blanking covers in my stash of parts and a gasket in my
>> gasket set.  Woohoo, but no nuts or lock washers.  Can someone tell me if
>> these little nuts that I do not have are Whitworth nuts.  If so, what
>> size?  I have a generator bracket, but there are no threaded studs for the
>> block or nuts to mount it with.  Once again, Whitworth?  The closer I get
>> to putting this together the more stuff I find out I don't have.
>>
>> Mike MacLean
>>
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