[Healeys] Today's Rant

Michael Salter michaelsalter at gmail.com
Fri Apr 24 11:01:09 MDT 2020 

With Liberia, Myanmar and of course… the United States of America being the
only countries that do not use metric one does have to wonder!!
M

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:51 PM i erbs <eyera3000 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think they would rather make one type moving forward. Cheaper costs fir
> them, increased cost fir everyone else.
>
> Ira Erbs
> Portland,OR
> 59 BN4
> 67MGB
> 65 AH Sprite
> phone makes it's own choices. Forgive typos
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, 9:48 AM 55healey at comcast.net <55healey at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I figured it was just an excuse for the wrench manufacturers so they
>> could continue making 2 sets of wrenches.
>>
>> > On Apr 24, 2020, at 9:04 AM, i erbs <eyera3000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Yup,
>> > The US was going to convert, but busineses and manufacturers raised a
>> storm over the cost to convert, so it never officially happened.
>> >
>> > Ira Erbs
>> > Portland,OR
>> > 59 BN4
>> > 67MGB
>> > 65 AH Sprite
>> > phone makes it's own choices. Forgive typos
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, 2:15 AM <simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com>
>> wrote:
>> > “Flirted”? To tell the truth, I’d never given it much thought but had
>> “assumed” that the US had resisted metrification. Don’t I recall that all
>> oil-producing kit is Imperial because of US domination in that area? And
>> planes……?
>> >
>> > I do know that, when Ted “The Grocer” Heath dragged the UK into the
>> Common Market, we were supposed to go Metric. There were some hiccups along
>> the way. A pint of beer remains a pint. As did a pint of milk whilst milk
>> bottles still existed.
>> >
>> > EU: “You must cease drinking pints forthwith. You will obey”.
>> >
>> > UK: “Won’t. Can’t. Shan’t”.
>> >
>> > Etcetc Finally:
>> >
>> > EU: “You will obey”.
>> >
>> > UK: “OK. We will keep pint glasses (From which we will drink proper
>> beer unlike your pallid Europ*ss). We will refer to those glasses as
>> “pints” whilst acknowledging that they contain
>> >
>> > 568.261ml litres each.
>> >
>> > EU: “Zut, alors. We surrender. Have some cheese”.
>> >
>> > Aren’t we all allowed the occasional rant?
>> >
>> > Simon
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: i erbs <eyera3000 at gmail.com>
>> > Sent: 24 April 2020 02:55
>> > To: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink at msn.com>
>> > Cc: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com; Patrick & Caroline Quinn <
>> p_cquinn at tpg.com.au>; Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > When the US flirted with metrifying and production when to canada and
>> mexico they made standard threaded bolts with metric heads so factories
>> there could use metric tools
>> >
>> > Ira Erbs
>> > Portland,OR
>> > 59 BN4
>> > 67MGB
>> > 65 AH Sprite
>> > phone makes it's own choices. Forgive typos
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:17 PM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I think you have it backwards. The original GM design would have used
>> the UNC thread pattern with a 9/16” bolt head. The design predated
>> metrification in the US by a few decades. When Rover went metric, sometime
>> in the 80s probably, they retained the US standard thread pattern while
>> changing to a metric standard bolt head. It would probably have been more
>> costly to retool the engine castings to switch to a metric thread pattern.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Bill Lawrence
>> >
>> > BN1 #554
>> >
>> > From: i erbs <eyera3000 at gmail.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 7:13 PM
>> > To: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink at msn.com>
>> > Cc: simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com <
>> simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com>; Patrick & Caroline Quinn <
>> p_cquinn at tpg.com.au>; Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Gm did that to rationalize tools as you say, but save money on not
>> converting thread and pitch to metric. I had a 87 Olds with that exact
>> situation. But also standards bolts heads too in some areas.
>> >
>> > Ira Erbs
>> > Portland,OR
>> > 59 BN4
>> > 67MGB
>> > 65 AH Sprite
>> > phone makes it's own choices. Forgive typos
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 11:39 AM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > In the midst of my recent Rover V8 rebuild I was surprised to discover
>> that while all of the fasteners used metric wrench sizes many in the short
>> block used the UNC thread type ie: a 3/8" coarse bolt with a 13 mm head. I
>> assume that Rover simply continued the UNC pattern of the original GM
>> castings and changed the head size to simplify tool inventory.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Bill Lawrence
>> >
>> > BN1 #554
>> >
>> > From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of
>> simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com <simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 12:20 AM
>> > To: 'Patrick & Caroline Quinn' <p_cquinn at tpg.com.au>
>> > Cc: 'Healeys' <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I have a vague memory of what we called “Transitional Rovers” ie a mix
>> of Imperial and Metric. All ¾ tonner long wheel-base. All UK based. They
>> may have been peculiar to the army.
>> >
>> > Glad I wasn’t in REME…..they had to maintain them.
>> >
>> > Simon
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Patrick &
>> Caroline Quinn
>> > Sent: 23 April 2020 00:23
>> > To: 'David Nock' <healeydoc at gmail.com>; 'Michael MacLean' <
>> rrengineer.mike at att.net>
>> > Cc: 'Healeys' <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > G’day
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Not long after I bought my first 100 back in 1972 I turned 21 and one
>> of the birthday gifts I received was a set of BSF spanners and sockets. I
>> still have them.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Now I have three sets of tools. BSF for the Healey Saloon. AF for the
>> 100 BN3 and metric for the Hilux, Mercedes and around the house. There are
>> many variations of each for specific purposes.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hoo Roo
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Patrick Quinn
>> >
>> > Blue Mountains, Australia
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
>> David Nock
>> > Sent: Wednesday, 22 April 2020 11:59 PM
>> > To: Michael MacLean
>> > Cc: Healeys
>> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > All the threads on the 100/4 engine are BSF not Whitworth.  Whitworth
>> is a coarse thread.
>> >
>> > However the wrench sizes are interchangeable. They are one size apart
>> from each other.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The threads on the small plate are 1/4 bsf and the gen bracket is 5/16
>> bsf. Also look close there are some of the studs that go thru into the
>> cooling system.
>> >
>> > David Nock
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:18 PM, Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike at att.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > So, I am getting ready to install the head on my 100 short block.  Made
>> sure all the intake valves have the new seals I bought from British Car
>> Specialists plus the new set of springs I already had for the valves.  The
>> two mating surfaces were cleaned with a white (finest grit) Roloc brush.  I
>> have the correct head gasket (copper faced).   Tonight was the night to
>> torque the head down to the block.  My surprise, for some stupid reason I
>> only ordered 8 new head nuts.  I managed to order the correct amount of
>> washer for the head.  No idea what my pea brain was thinking.  Also found
>> out the head nuts are Whitworth (3/8")  size.  I have a Whitworth socket
>> set, so tragedy averted there.  I seem to remember someone talking about
>> the water jacket blanking plate earlier this week.  That made me look at
>> the front of my block.  Three studs and an empty hole.  No cover.  I
>> managed to find two blanking covers in my stash of parts and a gasket in my
>> gasket set.  Woohoo, but no nuts or lock washers.  Can someone tell me if
>> these little nuts that I do not have are Whitworth nuts.  If so, what
>> size?  I have a generator bracket, but there are no threaded studs for the
>> block or nuts to mount it with.  Once again, Whitworth?  The closer I get
>> to putting this together the more stuff I find out I don't have.
>> >
>> > Mike MacLean
>> >
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