[Healeys] Concours Registry and Guidelines (was: Thanks for all the help)

richard mayor boyracer466 at gmail.com
Thu Dec 12 23:55:20 MST 2019

I'm also going to chime in here about Kees.  I too have read many of his
posts and thought to myself - that's not right, that's not how it is with a
Healey, he doesn't know what he is talking about.
It was my post about my project not being "concours" and showing a photo of
my engine compartment that got this whole thing started. However,  I was
being facetious ..... the engine is a Datsun 280Z motor....... of course
its not concours. That should have been instantly obvious that something
was amiss.  But Kees, the expert,  completely missed that fact and instead
criticized my use of air horns and then launched into the concours BS

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 7:03 PM Randy Hicks via Healeys <
healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Thank You Michael, John and others who have chimed in in support of
> “Concours”. I’ve held off responding due to the inappropriateness and
> lunacy of the comment.
> Despite what some people many feel, Concours is stronger than ever. This
> year we have sold over 100 set of the Guideline which is more than twice
> any previous year. The 2020 Update will be out in early January 2020 with
> more photos and quite a few addition and correction to pervious editions.
> We research and  produce nearly 700 pages of data and photos supporting our
> passion.
> The Concours Committee (contrary to many beliefs) does believes that our
> Concours cars are meant to be driven. We also believe and acknowledge that
> Concours is not for everyone ( this is fine), but that we need to be
> documenting how the Austin-Healey was built originally as a source for
> those that are interested and those just wanting to keep their cars as they
> were produced. We learn more and more each year, and totally believe in
> passing the information along to those interested.
> It is hardly “bullshit”. Hundreds of hours of work goes into the
> documentation each year.
> Randy
> Randy Hicks
> Chairman, Austin-Healey Concours Registry Committee
> On Dec 12, 2019, at 7:09 PM, Michael Salter <michaelsalter at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> John, I could not agree with more with everything you have said.
> Concours may not be for everyone but to characterize it as "bullshit" is a
> profound insult to the dozens of dedicated individuals who believe in the
> accurate preservation of the marque.
> For years I found Kees contributions to this list to be consistently
> simplistic and generic and was very gratified to find that Gmail provides
> an easy way to block his drivel.
> M
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 11:27 AM John P. New, <jnew at hazelden.ca> wrote:
>> Kees,
>> Your statement, "All this concourse stuff is bullshit," really makes me
>> angry.
>> I have been a member of this list for almost twenty years and I have seen
>> you write some really inaccurate things about Healeys but this takes the
>> cake. Indeed, even the late Richard Chrysler once told you on this list to
>> keep your uninformed opinions on Austin-Healeys to yourself.
>> The Concours Guidelines (and *please* spell concours properly) is one of
>> the few secondary sources of information that can help in the preservation
>> and restoration of an Austin-Healey. I would say that in many ways it is
>> THE BEST secondary source because it is updated annually as new information
>> is gathered. No publication is without errors, so even great books by such
>> authors as Clausager or Moment & Anderson do contain factual inaccuracies
>> that may mislead a restoration. (To be fair to Moment & Anderson, they keep
>> a list of errata for their book, available for the asking)
>> If you think Concours is about trailer queens and awards, then you just
>> have no clue why the organization exists. To quote the very first sentence
>> of the Austin-Healey Concours Registry Organization, Policies and
>> Inspection Guidelines,
>> "The Austin-Healey Concours Registry was created by members from a number
>> of Austin-Healey clubs in North America to assist owners in restoring their
>> cars to original standards and to encourage the restoration and maintenance
>> of original cars."
>> This sums up the entire mission of the Registry. Please note that the
>> word "bullshit" does not appear there nor anywhere else in the publication.
>> So, following in the footsteps of Richard Chrysler: Kees, please keep
>> your baseless, uninformed opinions on Austin-Healeys to yourself.
>> John P. New
>> London, Ontario, Canada
>> On Thursday, December 12, 2019 2:35:33 AM EST Kees Oudesluijs wrote:
>> > That looks very neat and tidy. Time to get it dirty. However fit some
>> > air filters in a cold box first. Avoid the foam affairs because of
>> > severe fire risk. These cars are for driving. All this concourse stuff
>> > is bullshit. Use them, make them safe to drive in modern traffic and
>> > enjoy them. We have friends that use their A-H cars as a daily driver
>> > and rebuild the car every so often if and when extensive repairs are
>> > needed.
>> >
>> > To many concourse trailer queens about that may not even be fit for
>> driving.
>> >
>> > Kees Oudesluijs
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Op 12-12-2019 om 04:05 schreef richard mayor:
>> > > The 1960 BT7 that I have been working on is not concours. I can't go
>> > > into details right now but here's a photo of the engine compartment.
>> > >
>> > > DSCN4470 (1).jpg
>> > >
>> >
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