[Healeys] Effects of Ethanol

Thu May 31 16:03:25 MDT 2018

Whatever happened to "Alcohol and gasoline don't mix."

I prefer my ethanol chilled in 16 ounce containers...

Bill Lawrence

BN1 #554

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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 2:23:39 PM
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Effects of Ethanol

That's been my experience.  We've logged many thousands of miles and
calculated the MPG we get on every tank; the difference between 10%
gasahol and pure gas is negligible (although it's impossible to get
exact comparisons because road conditions, altitude, etc. change over
the course of a tank).  Also, FWIW, in 140K miles I've never had a
problem that could be attributed to ethanol; I just replaced the
Petroflex hard line to carburettor flex line because it was a little
stiff but was in otherwise good nick at over 100K miles.  The coating in
the tank has held up as well.

But I still don't like subsidizing ADM.

Bob

On 5/30/2018 8:39 AM, Kees Oudesluijs wrote:
> The better mileage on pure petrol is only theoretical. In practice you
> will not notice at all. Ethanol has a lower energy content so you
> would require more ethanol than petrol for a given amount of energy.
> However there is only 5% maximum in petrol unless stated otherwise in
> Europe and a small bit of 5% is negligible and well within the
> tolerance of the accuracy of the measurement. I very much doubt if one
> can register an increase of 1% in mileage. There are so many other
> factors influencing mileage.
>
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
>
>
> Op 30-5-2018 om 12:55 schreef simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com:
>> The Ethanol rules are different here in the UK. Probably dreamed up
>> by some booby in Brussels, passed into law and we're the only country
>> enforcing it.
>> As to the practicalities.......I'm not sure about my current setup
>> (Webers) but previously (3 HD6s), I was pretty sure that I got more
>> mileage for my money on high(er) octane. More bangs for my
>> buck/better value for money..whatever.
>> Simon
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
>> Bob Haskell
>> Sent: 30 May 2018 11:00
>> To: John Rowe <john at jtkarowe.com.au>
>> Cc: 'Healey List' <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Effects of Ethanol
>>
>> One can still buy non-ethanol fuel at the pump here in the States;
>> Countrymark is one company that sells premium with zero ethanol.  One
>> can't always tell if there's ethanol in the gasoline by looking at
>> the pump.  Apparently, it's up to the individual state to decide if a
>> label on the pump is required. I don't think that it's required in
>> Indiana.
>>
>> A couple of reasons for ethanol: reduces amount of oil used/imported
>> and another market for corn.  Not sure I agree with using a
>> foodstuff, but that's what's been done.
>>
>> The other issue I've wondered about, but haven't looked into, is the
>> price differential between grades of gasoline.  For years the mid
>> grade was 10 cents a gallon more than regular and premium was another
>> 10 cents.  In the last couple of years it's changed to 25 to 30 cents
>> between grades.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bob Haskell
>> AHCA 3000 MkI registrar
>> http://www.ciahc.org/registry_3000mk1.php
>>
>> On 05/29/2018 10:04 PM, John Rowe wrote:
>>> OK, thanks Mike. We have it in Oz, and the greenies here are trying to
>>> make it mandatory I believe. We can buy 91/95/98 unleaded at the pump.
>>> For 98 we pay about $1.70/litre.
>>>
>>> At 2c/litre discount for E10 from 91 octane (which won’t run Healeys),
>>> why would you bother buying it due to the decreased mpg.
>>>
>>> John Rowe Qld Australia
>>>
>>> *From:*Michael MacLean [mailto:rrengineer.mike at att.net]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 30 May 2018 10:26 AM
>>> *To:* john at jtkarowe.com.au; tld6008 at mchsi.com
>>> *Cc:* 'Healey List'
>>> *Subject:* RE: [Healeys] Effects of Ethanol
>>>
>>> Fuel at the pump is 10% ethanol by law.  Right now gasoline is going
>>> for an average of $3.75 to $4 US per gallon.  If you want fuel without
>>> ethanol you can buy high octane racing gas, but it's $10 per gallon
>>> and it is supposed to be illegal in street vehicles.
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
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>>>      On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 4:43 PM, John Rowe
>>>
>>>      <john at jtkarowe.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>      As an Australian, I ask ‘why do you use ethanol in these
>>> vehicles?’,
>>>      or don’t you have a say as to what you use in your countries.
>>>
>>>      John Rowe
>>>
>>>      Qld Australia
>>>
>>>      *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] *On
>>> Behalf Of
>>>      *Michael MacLean
>>>      *Sent:* Wednesday, 30 May 2018 5:55 AM
>>>      *To:* tld6008 at mchsi.com
>>>      *Cc:* Healey List
>>>      *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Effects of Ethanol
>>>
>>>      Don't do it.  It will fill with gas in about two years and you
>>> will
>>>      be doing this again.  All you have to do is buy a brass float and
>>>      swap it out for the plastic one and sleep well at night. It just
>>>      snaps right in. The brass float is a Ford part no. COAZ-9202-B.
>>> You
>>>      can find them on eBay, Amazon, Summit Racing and even the Ford
>>>      dealer.  Ethanol does not eat brass.
>>>
>>>      Mike M.
>>>
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>>>
>>>          On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 12:46 PM, Tim Davis BN7
>>>
>>>          <tld6008 at mchsi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>          I had the powdery residue all over mine. I just bought a
>>> new one
>>>          from Moss it has a plastic float. Hopefully it will hold up.
>>>
>>>
>>>          Tim Davis BN7
>>>
>>>          ----- Original Message -----
>>>          From: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike at att.net>
>>>          To: Healey List <healeys at autox.team.net>
>>>          Sent: Tue, 29 May 2018 11:29:39 -0400 (EDT)
>>>          Subject: [Healeys] Effects of Ethanol
>>>
>>>          This past weekend I removed the tank to extract the sending
>>> unit
>>>          on my Bugeye because of a constant reading of empty on the
>>>          gauge.  As suspected, the plastic float was filled with
>>>          gasoline.  Ethanol!  While replacing the plastic float for
>>> brass
>>>          and the cork gaskets for Viton type gaskets, I also swapped
>>> out
>>>          the sending unit top cover cork gasket with a Viton type using
>>>          Hylomar AF to seal things up.  The big surprise came when I
>>>          found the rheostat cavity full of gasoline.  Must have entered
>>>          through the hole in the sending unit body for the float lever.
>>>          Anyone have experience with this?  Should I be concerned?  I
>>>          remember the original sending unit I removed form the Bugeye
>>>          tank was full of a white powdery residue around the rheostat
>>>          like it had also been filled with gasoline.  Anyone have
>>>          experience with this?
>>>
>>>          Mike MacLean
>>>

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