[Healeys] Mount a coil on an alternator.
Tom Felts
tomfelts at windstream.net
Sat Dec 24 16:27:52 MST 2016
hummmmmm----I beg to differ with you Josef. A bunch of us have driven for 45 days throughout Europe in our Healeys and it was some of the BEST fun we have had. 6000 miles in our case. I would love to do it again. The only time it was not fun was in Munich in bumper-to-bumper traffic for 45 minutes.
tom
---- "josef-eckert at t-online.de" <josef-eckert at t-online.de> wrote:
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Hello Kees,
Don´t compare a Jensen Healey with an Austin Healey. A Jensen Healey is a
modern car compared to the Austin-Healey. One of my other cars is a 70s
Mercedes Diesel and when driving it there is no big difference to my
modern daily driver. I miss the airconditioning in Summer.
An Austin-Healey is a 65 year old design!!! I like to drive it as it is
very different and so basic compared to a modern car, but long distances
with it through Europe is no fun I can assure you.
Btw. where do you find a German Autobahn you can drive 150-160km/h? Maybe
in the midle of the night. Otherwise you are lucky when you are able to
drive half an hour in a moderate speed 120km/h without congestions and then
being stuck for another half an hour.
Josef eckert
Konigswinter/Germany
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Betreff: Re: AW: Mount a coil on an alternator.
Datum: 2016-12-24T16:41:06+0100
Von: "Oudesluys" <coudesluijs at chello.nl>
An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" <josef-eckert at t-online.de>, "Healeys, Forum"
<Healeys at autox.team.net>
Hello Joseph,
I drive my Jensen Healey whenever I can except when there is salt on the
road or in torrential rain. I like driving long distances, OK noisy as
hell, but I wear ear plugs. I have been to France, Belgium, Luxembourg,
Italy, Switzerland, Germany, UK etc. sometimes driving in excess of 500km a
day. Next year there will be a trip to around Dresden organised by some
German Jensen owners and enthusiasts and the International meeting in the
UK.
I too prefer the smaller roads but occasionally I take the German Autobahn
to clear the engine and have a prolonged blast of 150-160km/h. Faster is no
fun as the car starts wandering a bit. I do use all 7000rpm of it through
the gears.
Our cars are made for driving not trailering. Parking in cities can be a
problem, but I usually look out for a spacious parking garage or a hotel.
So far I did not have any problems.
The only trouble I have had in my mildly modified car has been a blown fuse
preventing the electric fan cutting in and causing a fantastic cloud of
steam when I stopped the car after some stop & go traffic. Took me about an
hour to find out what was wrong, but once found it was rectified in a
couple of minutes. Luckily no harm was done.
Mods: slotted brake discs, Green stuff pads, more efficient radiator core,
hotter engine thermostat, thermoswitch controlled radiator fan, electronic
ignition, modified steering column, larger and wider wheels with modern
tires, bigger 45mm DellOrto's, timing belt and wheels from a late Lotus
Esprit, adjustable cam wheels, LED lights where sensible e.g. in daytime
running lights fitted in modified front indicator units, Koni shock
absorbers, electric fuel cut of etc.
Future mods: front suspension partially rose-jointed, 4-pot callipers and
ventilated discs, installing an intercom, 5-speed Getrag.
I am presently building up a new engine with high compression pistons (from
8,5 to about 9,5) and may be some mildly hotter cams.
Cheers,
Kees Oudesluijs
Op 24-12-2016 om 15:41 schreef josef-eckert at t-online.de
<mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de> :
Hi Kees,
You know in Europe we live in a high density area, nearly all over,
especially you in the Randstad area and here we in the Cologne are. To
the north we have the Ruhrgebiet to the south the Frankfurt area, and,
and, and. No joy to drive anymore. I never ever want to drive into a
bigger town or city with a classic car. Where shall I park the car? I
avoid in any way to drive on the motorways with a classic car. You are
overrolled by the trucks. For long distances I load it on my trailer
and bring it to the place where I can enjoy driving. Much easier than
doing these legs in a classic. For driving in beautiful rural areas the
car has all iit needs and I see no reason to change anything. Its a
winning team as it is and it works, believe me. Friends with all these
modifications on their cars have more trouble with their cars than I
have.
Josef Eckert
Konigswinter/Germany
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Betreff: Re: Mount a coil on an alternator.
Datum: 2016-12-24T15:26:26+0100
Von: "Oudesluys" <coudesluijs at chello.nl> <mailto:coudesluijs at chello.nl>
An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" <mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de>
<josef-eckert at t-online.de> <mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de> ,
"Healeys, Forum" <Healeys at autox.team.net>
<mailto:Healeys at autox.team.net>
Hi Josef,
Well...., increase the diameter of the wires from/ to the alternator
and the H4 bulbs if fitted. The old head light bulbs are to dim for
modern traffic conditions and you will also need an electric cooling
fan to keep you out of trouble.
In my view it is advisable and permissible to make small adaptions to
an old vehicle if you want to use and enjoy it in modern traffic. You
cannot travel the same way any more as in the olde days.
Cheers,
Kees Oudesluijs
Op 24-12-2016 om 15:00 schreef josef-eckert at t-online.de
<mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de> :
Kees,
There is never a need for additional power, except your regulator
is not well tuned. Better to set the regulator right. The wiring in
an Austin-Healey is not prepared to take the up to more than double
output current of an alternator. The cables can get hot, can melt
and get brittle inside the wiring loom. Same can happen when
switched from ordinary headlights to H4 halogen headlights. The
feeding cables are too thin for the current flowing through.
Josef Eckert
Konigswinter/Germany
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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Mount a coil on an alternator.
Datum: 2016-12-24T14:01:08+0100
Von: "Oudesluys" <coudesluijs at chello.nl>
<mailto:coudesluijs at chello.nl>
An: "healeys at autox.team.net" <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
<healeys at autox.team.net> <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
The main reason for changing to an alternator is that it produces a
high(ish) charging current starting at low speeds, usually around
35A (e.g. Lucas 100). Therefore the total output is higher.
Especially if you drive the car with headlights on all the time
and/or have an electric radiator fan, high power radio etc. you are
better of with an alternator. It also is easier to maintain thus
more reliable than a generator plus regulator.
Most generators produce 20-25A max. at high speed but will barely
cope as they do not charge much if at all at low speeds.
Kees Oudesluijs
Op 24-12-2016 om 4:01 schreef Bob Spidell:
Simon,
My knowledge of electronics is limited, but I do know the
basics. I can't think of any reason you couldn't fasten a coil
to an alternator, except maybe their shape isn't as convenient
for such use. Alternators are generators--my 2008 Mustang's
shop manual even calls them that--the only difference is how
the unit converts alternating current to direct current, which
is needed for charging the battery and for most other
electrical needs in a car. Generators physically
'commute'--the more contemporary term is 'rectify'--the AC with
brushes and the segmented commutator--hence the name--while
alternators commute the AC with diodes. If anything,
alternators produce less electromagnetic
interference--EFI--than generators since there is less chance
of creating a spark. Alternators are more efficient--correct
me if I'm wrong here--because without brushes they can be spun
faster for a given engine speed (note alternator pulleys are
usually smaller than generator pulleys).
I do think a coil mounted on an alternator would look silly,
but that's just me.
Cheers,
Bob
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From: "Simon Lachlan" <simon.lachlan at homecall.co.uk>
<mailto:simon.lachlan at homecall.co.uk>
To: josef-eckert at t-online.de <mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de>
, "Forum' 'Healeys" <Healeys at autox.team.net>
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Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:35:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mount a coil on an alternator.
Thank you for this. As ever, all advice sought is welcome.
However....per my comment to your answer to my (previous) BJ8
questions, it would be really helpful if you applied your huge
enthusiasm and knowledge to the question asked. I’m sure that
your knowledge is encyclopaedic, but maybe, when you’re asked a
simple question by a simple person, for once give a simple
answer.
Simon
From: josef-eckert at t-online.de
<mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de> [
mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de
<mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de> ]
Sent: 23 December 2016 21:07
To: Simon Lachlan; Healeys, Forum
Subject: AW: [Healeys] Mount a coil on an alternator.
People who swap a generator for an alternator like to modify in
any way. Anybody who knows more about electrics know there is
no need for an alternator at all on Healeys. its only to adjust
the rehulator to work as it should. But that´s to difficult
for most I suspect.
those selling these alternators are quite happy to sell them as
people like to modify and they also sell you one of these
performance coils and they need to be kept cool and best is to
put the coil in the boot to keep it cool. Haven´t seen that so
far but can´t await to see it.
Josef Eckert
Konigswinter/Germany
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Betreff: [Healeys] Mount a coil on an alternator.
Datum: 2016-12-23T21:57:44+0100
Von: "Simon Lachlan" <simon.lachlan at homecall.co.uk
<mailto:simon.lachlan at homecall.co.uk> >
An: "'Healey Group'" <healeys at autox.team.net
<mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> >
I’ve had an alternator in my BT7 for a while now.
So, when I was doing the job, I looked at pictures of other
people’s installations. Nobody’s coil was mounted on the
alternator as coils were/are mounted on the generators.
I didn’t mount mine on the alternator either.
Now, I’m wondering why everybody found ingenious places to put
the coils and nobody ingeniously adapted their brackets to fit
onto their alternator.
Do alternators get too hot? Do they give off some kind of magic
death ray that fries coils or what??
Any reasons not to do it??
Thanks,
Simon
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