[Healeys] water pumps and other repro parts

Oudesluys coudesluijs at chello.nl
Mon Mar 2 01:00:05 MST 2015


Hear, hear!!

Kees Oudesluijs



Michael Salter schreef op 2-3-2015 om 0:12:
> Hi Josef,
> In your post you said/"Most parts are ordered from China. You get a 
> sample, you order a batch of 100, 500 or 1000 pieces."
> /
> I really believe that the fault lies largely with the company ordering 
> the parts.
> If a sample is supplied it behooves the purchaser to thoroughly 
> inspect and test the sample. The BJ8 water pumps are a classic 
> example. Anyone with just a little experience in the rebuilding of 
> water pumps could easily have disassembled such a sample and 
> determined that the internal parts were not the same as the original 
> pump and were just not up to the job.
> As an individual I have managed to source the original seal and 
> bearing from reputable suppliers.
> Using those parts it would have been a lot easier to have the castings 
> made to the original specifications and an exact replica pump then 
> produced.
> The pumps that BMC produced were developed over many years and to 
> casually discard all that experience and think that one can easily 
> design an externally similar pump using adapted modern parts that will 
> be reliable, without extensive testing, is total folly.
> On another note Bob is absolutely correct in that owners will opt for 
> reproduction parts over restored originals every time in the mistaken 
> belief that "new is better". Unfortunately the "disposable society" 
> has conditioned the most people to believe that new is always better!!
> From hard learned experience I will ALWAYS opt for a good restorable 
> original component over a new replacement every time even if it costs 
> a lot more.
> Flame away!!!
>
> Michael S
> BN1 #174
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:11 AM, josef-eckert at t-online.de 
> <mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de> <josef-eckert at t-online.de 
> <mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de>> wrote:
>
>     Sorry, but this is very naive thinking. I am working part time for
>     a big parts supplier here in Europe.
>     Most parts are ordered from China. You get a sample, you order a
>     batch of 100, 500 or 1000 pieces. Perhaps you get 5% customer
>     complains, which is normal, when the batch is slightly faulty you
>     may get 10% customer complains. When its more you will have to
>     think about the issue. When there are no complains, parts are not
>     sent back, all is fine, even parts are faulty and customers fix on
>     their oown. Often thee are no complains, even the part is faulty,
>     but its cheaper than the similar part from the competitor.
>     To put in a quality control in the system would raise the net
>     purchase price to a double or tripple. Customers move to the
>     competitor, as you can`t sell it to the prize your competitor
>     does. You may not believe the low purchase prize of these parts
>     from China, but you need to buy batches of at least 100 parts. So
>     when they are faulty you need to sell most of them before you look
>     for a different supplier. You can`t send these parts back, as
>     delivery costs are higher than the parts value and Chinese
>     suppliers are not very customer friendly.
>
>     Josef Eckert
>     Konigswinter/Germany
>
>
>     -----Original-Nachricht-----
>     Betreff: Re: [Healeys] water pumps and other repro parts
>     Datum: Sun, 01 Mar 2015 15:37:05 +0100
>     Von: "John Davidson" <jdavidso at shaw.ca <mailto:jdavidso at shaw.ca>>
>     An: "'Magnus Karlsson'" <magnuskarlsson at bornet.net
>     <mailto:magnuskarlsson at bornet.net>>, "'Andy'" <sneddon at xsmail.com
>     <mailto:sneddon at xsmail.com>>
>
>     I agree that such a listing would be a very valuable tool both for
>     the owner
>     and the restorer to implicitly apply pressure to the industry. This
>     potentially will be seen by some in the industry as an opportunity to
>     justify higher pricing to eliminate the poor quality problems. The
>     list
>     should be written in the positive as this will reduce the
>     potential for any
>     legal actions as the list only contains those who have provided
>     the proper
>     part as close to original as technology improvements allow. This
>     list would
>     need to be "live" as there are suppliers who will genuinely not
>     know that
>     their suppliers/manufacturers have not met the "standard of
>     acceptance" but
>     who would respond properly to being notified of the problem.
>
>     John R Davidson, BN2, AN5
>     H (204) 895-4523 <tel:%28204%29%20895-4523>, C (204) 295-9207
>     <tel:%28204%29%20295-9207>
>
>
>
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