[Healeys] water pumps and other repro parts

[John Davidson]

Mike, I am in complete agreement with your philosophy! Why would you dispose of a perfectly good carcass when it is easily rebuildable to as good as new or better; because this disposable society doesn’t make repair parts/components opting instead for new replacements in the mistaken belief that it is faster and easier to replace than repair!!!!

 

John R, BN2, AN5

 

From: michael.salter at gmail.com [mailto:michael.salter at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Michael Salter
Sent: March-01-15 5:12 PM
To: josef-eckert at t-online.de
Cc: John Davidson; Healeys, Forum
Subject: Re: [Healeys] water pumps and other repro parts

 

Hi Josef,

In your post you said "Most parts are ordered from China. You get a sample, you order a batch of 100, 500 or 1000 pieces."

I really believe that the fault lies largely with the company ordering the parts. 

If a sample is supplied it behooves the purchaser to thoroughly inspect and test the sample. The BJ8 water pumps are a classic example. Anyone with just a little experience in the rebuilding of water pumps could easily have disassembled such a sample and determined that the internal parts were not the same as the original pump and were just not up to the job. 

As an individual I have managed to source the original seal and bearing from reputable suppliers. 
Using those parts it would have been a lot easier to have the castings made to the original specifications and an exact replica pump then produced. 

The pumps that BMC produced were developed over many years and to casually discard all that experience and think that one can easily design an externally similar pump using adapted modern parts that will be reliable, without extensive testing, is total folly. 

On another note Bob is absolutely correct in that owners will opt for reproduction parts over restored originals every time in the mistaken belief that "new is better". Unfortunately the "disposable society" has conditioned the most people to believe that new is always better!!
>From hard learned experience I will ALWAYS opt for a good restorable original component over a new replacement every time even if it costs a lot more. 

Flame away!!!

Michael S

BN1 #174

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:11 AM, josef-eckert at t-online.de <mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de>  <josef-eckert at t-online.de <mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de> > wrote:

Sorry, but this is very naive thinking. I am working part time for a big parts supplier here in Europe.
Most parts are ordered from China. You get a sample, you order a batch of 100, 500 or 1000 pieces. Perhaps you get 5% customer complains, which is normal, when the batch is slightly faulty you may get 10% customer complains. When its more you will have to think about the issue. When there are no complains, parts are not sent back, all is fine, even parts are faulty and customers fix on their oown. Often thee are no complains, even the part is faulty, but its cheaper than the similar part from the competitor.
To put in a quality control in the system would raise the net purchase price to a double or tripple. Customers move to the competitor, as you can`t sell it to the prize your competitor does. You may not believe the low purchase prize of these parts from China, but you need to buy batches of at least 100 parts. So when they are faulty you need to sell most of them before you look for a different supplier. You can`t send these parts back, as delivery costs are higher than the parts value and Chinese suppliers are not very customer friendly.

Josef Eckert
Konigswinter/Germany


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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] water pumps and other repro parts
Datum: Sun, 01 Mar 2015 15:37:05 +0100
Von: "John Davidson" <jdavidso at shaw.ca <mailto:jdavidso at shaw.ca> >
An: "'Magnus Karlsson'" <magnuskarlsson at bornet.net <mailto:magnuskarlsson at bornet.net> >, "'Andy'" <sneddon at xsmail.com <mailto:sneddon at xsmail.com> >

I agree that such a listing would be a very valuable tool both for the owner
and the restorer to implicitly apply pressure to the industry. This
potentially will be seen by some in the industry as an opportunity to
justify higher pricing to eliminate the poor quality problems. The list
should be written in the positive as this will reduce the potential for any
legal actions as the list only contains those who have provided the proper
part as close to original as technology improvements allow. This list would
need to be "live" as there are suppliers who will genuinely not know that
their suppliers/manufacturers have not met the "standard of acceptance" but
who would respond properly to being notified of the problem.

John R Davidson, BN2, AN5
H (204) 895-4523 <tel:%28204%29%20895-4523> , C (204) 295-9207 <tel:%28204%29%20295-9207> 





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