<< - vacuum bleeding: never had any luck with it >> DITTO and Amen, Bob ! ! ! SERIOUS PITA ! << - bleeding brakes is a PITA (but necessary, and the immediate feedback --a firm pedal--is satisfying)>> "Almost" a joy with eEzibleed<VBG> ! ! ! Er, unless one is "silly" enough to be trying to use "SillyCrap"<G> <G> ! ! ! Ed