<< 3. the 165 indeed leave too much gap over the tire and make the car look 'under tired'. >> So you guys are sayin that ya did NOT like the "look" of the car so you never wanted one ?!?!? Then why DO you have one [or more] ?? All I have ever had on 'Hortense' IS 165s. <G> She looks damned fine to me <VBG> !!!!!