I may have missed the original point, but I'd like to say that I ran my 64 BJ8 in the rain, snow and ice for 4 years in Ski Patrol with no problems at all. I drove like a maniac (16-20yo). They handle great in those conditions. Looking back, the wipers were too small and I overdrove my lights most of the time. Ron Davies 67 BJ8 97 DB7