<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Scott;<div>SCCA does not have an expiration date on driver’s suits. We look for signs of wear and tear, failed zippers etc.</div><div>Regards,</div><div>Phil Gott</div><div>Nationally Licensed SCCA Scrutineer. </div><div><br></div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Feb 27, 2024, at 9:15 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr@mccarty-law.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I’ve been going through SCCA tech for years now and no one has ever mentioned a 10-year expiration date to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I just looked though the latest SCCA rules and updates. Nothing mentioned about a 10-year life: See below:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Driving suits that effectively cover the body from the neck to the ankles and wrists. One piece suits
</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">are highly recommended. All suits must bear an SFI 3.2A/1, SFI 3.4, or higher SFI certification label or an FIA 1986 Standard, FIA Standard 8856-2000, or FIA Standard 8856-2018 homologation label. Underwear
of fire resistant material shall be used, but is optional with suits carrying an FIA Standard 1986 Standard or FIA Standard 8856-2000 label or SFI 3-2A/5 or higher (e.g., /10, /15, /20) certification label. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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it. One push handle located next to the drivers set on the tranny hump, nothing outside the cockpit. He had no problem with the fire system. They did tell him his FIA, made in 2006, perfectly maintained suit was too old and needed to be replaced. They would
let him run this time but he needed a new one for the next event. They're using a 10 year limit on suits, based on the newest (2023) FIA spec. SVRA tried to tell him everyone (SCCA etc) is doing the same thing, even for SFI suits. FIA is only using that spec
for pro events (F1, WEC, Rally) until 2029 then it starts to cover all <b>FIA only </b>classes. I haven't seen a similar new spec for SFI suits at all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 21, 2024 10:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:vfracing@aol.com" target="_blank">vfracing@aol.com</a>;
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule? Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project. Some of this is not hard but sending
your system off to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these times. So what is the alternative, buy a new system? Some of us have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma.
Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as is. Dropping
this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well. No one wants to be unsafe, I don’t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Ken<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Subject: </b>[Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG. Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation points,
one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car. Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years. Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at <a href="https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf" target="_blank">https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf</a>.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Regards,</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Phil Gott</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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