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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Hi Mark;</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Agreed. skimping on these systems is not wise. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I prefer the FE-36 systems. This is the replacement for Halon, is not subject to freezing (important here in New England with an unheated barn), and, according to the manufacturer of the gas, good "...for at least 10 years..." In addition, as far as is known now, there are now downsides to ultimate disposal and use of FE-36. With all the fuss about PFAS, I would not be surprised if the use of AFFF were to be banned track by track in the near future. Unlike petroleum-based spills, AFFF mixes very well with water and migrates through the groundwater very quickly, making it impossible to recover/mitigate. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">For those who (like me) are impacted by the requirement that the actuator be accessible for both the driver and a course worker/first responder, a single-pull actuator can be located outboard of the steering wheel on the dashboard, a location accessible to both the driver and the worker/responder. 15-foot actuating pull cables are available.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Regards,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Phil</div><div><br></div>
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On Wednesday, February 21, 2024 at 07:58:29 AM EST, Mark Cook <mecook@mindspring.com> wrote:
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<div><div id="yiv2583274870"><div><div>Phil,</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Good point. You are correct and thanks for the clarification.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I tend to be more conservative to a fault (my CFO background). So, relative to how much is spent on tires, gas, oil, other consumables and basic repairs every race season, top notch safety equipment is a cheap investment for me. And, most important, the sanctioning body that allows me to drive and I have been married to for over 40 years, appreciates it!</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>So, if going to the trouble to install a system, I might as well have it be a FIA system.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I send the valve with the bottle when serviced every two years. They put a new sticker with dates on the bottle.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Thanks!</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Mark</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv2583274870composer_signature"><div style="font-size:12px;color:#575757;">Sent from my Galaxy</div></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000;"></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000;"></div><div align="left" style="font-size:100%;color:#000000;"><div id="yiv2583274870yqtfd17957" class="yiv2583274870yqt7011598391"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Philip Gott <vfracing@aol.com> </div><div>Date: 2/21/24 7:17 AM (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Mark Cook <mecook@mindspring.com> </div><div>Cc: fot@autox.team.net </div><div>Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup </div><div><br clear="none"></div></div></div><div id="yiv2583274870yqtfd35466" class="yiv2583274870yqt7011598391">Mark;<div>To clarify, SCCA only recommends FIA and/or SFI certification. As the SFI recertification process is largely a joke (send a photo of your bottle and gage along with check for $35 to the manufacturer and you get a new certification sticker by return mail) they only recommend it. They do require that the manufacturers’ service procedures be performed on the valve and actuation system, but these are neither part of the recertification process nor verifiable other than the owner’s word.</div><div>SVRA is requiring that the SFI or FIA recertification process be followed.</div><div>Phil </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none" id="yiv2583274870lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite">On Feb 21, 2024, at 2:47 AM, Mark Cook via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><style>#yiv2583274870 filtered {}
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#yiv2583274870 div.yiv2583274870WordSection1 {}</style><div class="yiv2583274870WordSection1"><p class="yiv2583274870MsoPlainText">SVRA has required a plumbed in onboard fire system since 2020 (with at least two nozzles). With the calendar year 2020 being a grace period, it then became mandatory in 2021. For 2024, they added additional FIA and SFI requirements to become consistent with NASA and SCCA.</p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoPlainText">Having built a car to meet SCCA, NASA and BMW Club racing requirements, would not get in a race car without a fire system. Cheap insurance.</p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoPlainText">Just for reference, the turnaround time for re-certifying/servicing fire bottles is actually pretty quick. I dropped my SPA Extreme Novec 1230 off at UPS on Dec 21 and had it back by Dec 30. My Lifeline Novec 1230 was sent to Lifeline on Jan 12 and had it back by Jan 18, also by UPS ground. </p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoPlainText">Ever since Mark Petronis’ accident at NJMP in 2021, most sanctioning bodies are beefing up fire system requirements. SVRA was a little slow.</p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoPlainText"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUS5tYBLycc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUS5tYBLycc</a></p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoPlainText">Mark Cook</p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken Knight via Fot<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 20, 2024 5:01 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Brad Eells<br clear="none"><b>Cc:</b> FOT Triumph<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup</span></p></div></div><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"> </p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal">I called my company, Safecraft, and my bottle is just beyond when they will recertify again. So $640 and the new bottle is on order. They were kind enough to direct me to Summit Racing where I got it cheaper than direct. All is in stock and they are just up the 101 from me in the bay area so I should have it in plenty of time. Systems at Pegasus were running $750-1200 if you needing the full kit with 2 pulls. Just FYI.</p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"> </p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal">It is not that I mind doing this, I witnessed a car fire during a race last year (fire suit saved the driver from injury). It is dropping this on us at the last minute that is the problem. I doubt they just thought up this rule last week, and possible folks within SVRA knew about this, but we did not.</p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"> </p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal">I hope this does not cause problems for anyone else trying to make the K Cup and facing a long tow.</p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"> </p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal">Ken</p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"> </p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal">Sent from <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986">Mail</a> for Windows</p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"> </p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><b>From: </b><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:tr4abrad@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:tr4abrad@gmail.com">Brad Eells</a><br clear="none"><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, February 20, 2024 1:37 PM<br clear="none"><b>To: </b><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kknight@klaenv.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:kknight@klaenv.com">Ken Knight</a><br clear="none"><b>Cc: </b><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vfracing@aol.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vfracing@aol.com">vfracing@aol.com</a>; <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">FOT Triumph</a><br clear="none"><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup</p></div><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"> </p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal">Interesting, as this may be an issue for the K-Cup this year. Running at Sonoma with SVRA 8 weeks from now.</p><div><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal">That said, when rebuilding the Spitfire, I chose an SPA aqueous foam system with 4 distribution nozzles and 3 actuators; one outside, one on the dash and the bottle handle itself.</p></div><div><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal">Brad Eells</p><div><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone</p></div></div><div><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"> </p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal">On Feb 20, 2024, at 3:31 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:</p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"></p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal">So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule? Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project. Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these times. So what is the alternative, buy a new system? Some of us have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma. Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.</p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"> </p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal">We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as is. Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well. No one wants to be unsafe, I don’t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.</p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"> </p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal">Ken</p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"> </p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal">Sent from <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986">Mail</a> for Windows</p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"> </p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><b>From: </b><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">vfracing--- via Fot</a><br clear="none"><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM<br clear="none"><b>To: </b><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">FOT Triumph</a><br clear="none"><b>Subject: </b>[Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup</p></div><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"> </p><div><div id="yiv2583274870ydpcd388636yiv1885551611"><div><div><div><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Advanced warning:</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG. Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car. Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years. Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf">https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf</a>.</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Regards,</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"> </span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Phil Gott</span></p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"> </p></div></blockquote></div><p style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in;" class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">fot@autox.team.net<br clear="none"><br clear="none">http://www.fot-racing.com<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html<br clear="none">Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot<br clear="none">Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad@gmail.com</p><p class="yiv2583274870MsoNormal"> </p></div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br clear="none"><span>fot@autox.team.net</span><br clear="none"><span></span><br clear="none"><span>http://www.fot-racing.com</span><br clear="none"><span></span><br clear="none"><span>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html</span><br clear="none"><span>Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</span><br clear="none"><span>Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing@aol.com</span><br clear="none"><span></span><br clear="none"><span></span><br clear="none"></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div>
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