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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>If the head has collapsed there, the head is toast.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DE>From:</span></b><span lang=DE> Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anthony Parker via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 25, 2023 2:54 AM<br><b>To:</b> FOT Triumph <fot@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Well...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Finally took the five minutes that I should have weeks ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Put a straight edge across the head.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The squish zone above the #2 cylinder is literally squished.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>As much at 0.01" toward the center of the cylinder, but more importantly, 0.007" between the coolant passages and the gasket sealing ring.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Cost myself a lot of time, money, and frustration.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Live and learn.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Will try to get the head surfaced tomorrow first thing and then go from there.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Could be cracked inside the water jacket and the valve seats could be warped for all I know.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Though, I did lap the intake and exhaust in that cylinder and everything seemed to be seating properly.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Thanks for everyone's feedback,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> Fot <<a href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on behalf of Anthony Parker via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 23, 2023 8:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> Robert Lang <<a href="mailto:robertlangtr6@yahoo.com">robertlangtr6@yahoo.com</a>>; FOT Triumph <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Thanks Rich, Robert, and everyone else.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>More digging..<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>White sludge in valve cover.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Watery oil in tappets.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Head is off and stripped, ready for the machine shop.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Strange that this morning before the third test, the oil was clear and clean.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>We'll see if the head or the block is the problem. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>With my recent luck, it could be both.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></div><div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> Robert Lang <<a href="mailto:robertlangtr6@yahoo.com">robertlangtr6@yahoo.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 23, 2023 5:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> FOT Triumph <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>>; Anthony Parker <<a href="mailto:solarant@hotmail.com">solarant@hotmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>The cooling of the radiator and temp spike seem to indicate an air bubble in the system. It could get there from spot temps causing localized boiling or it could come from a pressure leak from the combustion chamber or head gasket.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>If you think you have a cracked head or bad head gasket, try pressurizing the system and see if the pressure holds. Stant makes a tool like, there are probably others, but buy or borrow this tool. It takes all the guess work out of such problems. My rule of thumb is to bring it up to cap pressure and see if it holds for at last 30 minutes (plus or minus a couple of lb is okay, but loosing half or more in less than 30 minutes is a dead giveaway.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I would also verify that the ignition timing is not too far advanced. Not that I ever had that problem. :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Note that you can also use the Stant gauge to verify "normal" system pressure - you want to do that to make sure your cap pressure will keep the coolant from boiling.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Good luck figuring out the problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Bob Lang<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="x_x_ydpf09cc1feyahoo_quoted_6336859216"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 02:05:24 PM EDT, Anthony Parker via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id="x_x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122"><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=xxydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122contentpasted0><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'>I'm having cooling problems.</span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'>Need help being convinced that I have to do what I don't want to do.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'>Brand new short block, same old head, water pump, and radiator.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'>Over three trials, the engine will run fine and warm up with radiator hoses and radiator warming properly. Then the hoses and radiator will cool and coolant temp will spike to 230+. Radiator cold with sky high coolant temps.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'>Two more clues, hoses seem to pressurize very quickly and when I opened the radiator cap this morning (after cooling all night) pressurized air and coolant shot everywhere.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=xxydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122contentpasted1><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424;background:white'>No thermostat and I have confirmed three times that system is completely full</span></span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'>Seems I have combustion gases getting into coolant and then bubbles eventually removing pump prime.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'>Don't know what else it could be.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'>Given the apparent direction of the leak, is there any use in trying some "stop leak" product?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'>Is it time to pull the head again to look for warping or gasket leak?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'>I suppose it could be a cracked cylinder, but this block has been checked by two different trusted engine machinists.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'>Desperately trying to get to the RunOffs, Anthony.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><br><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com" target="_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://autox.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/archive</a> <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6@yahoo.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6@yahoo.com</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>