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<p class="p1"><span class="s1">Yep, it’s a for profit business and current owner knows how to spend money to attract money</span></p>
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<p class="p1"><span class="s1">He had a lead guy who I knew well but has since passed away. We sat and talked at RRR one Feb and he told me they wouldn’t even talk to a potential sponsor for less than $50K</span></p>
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<p class="p1"><span class="s1">And that was before he bought F4, F3 and Trans Am</span></p>
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<p class="p1"><span class="s1">On 7/27/23, 11:37 AM, Terry Sopher via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">FWIW - Not a fan of SVRA after Kcup with them at Mid-Ohio and from my experience with them prior - they appear to be about chasing $s…</span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">On Jul 27, 2023, at 05:56, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="p5"><span class="s3">Great debate. I agree with Brian Dolan as well that we should have a mix of venues. Road America was certainly a destination track for me (2,200 miles from the race shop), and Road Atlanta is on my bucket list too. But the track time was extremely limited. I think the KC race was only seven laps.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p5"><span class="s3">For 2023, my personal preference would have been to run the event with CSRG, the local club at Sonoma Raceway. But their races are being held in the spring and fall (March and Sept/Oct/Nov) which seems problematic for those making tows over the mountains passes. SVRA had the later date we needed being the last weekend in April, plus they run at Laguna Seca the very next weekend. Note, we can not get a Kastner Cup race at Laguna with SVRA; the event is just too big.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p5"><span class="s3">I'll work with SVRA to maximize the track time for FOT at Sonoma and report out as soon as possible. I can tell you that if you can make the tow, you will not be disappointed. Sonoma and Laguna Seca should be on your bucket list. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p5"><span class="s3">If we have enough folks attending both events, we should be able to organize some group activities in the wine country or Monterey during the weekdays. The tracks are only about two hours apart, and SVRA accommodates trailer storage for racers running both events. If that's not enough, Sonoma Raceway held an open testing day this year the Friday before the SVRA race.....seven hours of unlimited track time!<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p5"><span class="s3">Curt Johnston<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">On 07/26/2023 10:20 AM PDT yellow04 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry for the repeat.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are trying to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would prefer to run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more intimate club events. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian!<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific (bucketlist?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I would love to get back to Road Atlanta.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06 PM yellow04 via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net"><span class="s6">fot@autox.team.net</span></a>> wrote:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">as follows:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">Festival Events<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">Typically higher entrance fees.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">of incidents, shortening sessions.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">with the packed schedule.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">a wide variety of media.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">~<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">Club Events<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">Typically lower entrance fees.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">exposure from the normal sources.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">at? That would be helpful information as well!<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">Cheers<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">Henry Frye<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">> I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is attended very<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p4"><span class="s2">> at Road Atlanta.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">> Ronnie<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, <a href="mailto:chasgee22@gmail.com"><span class="s6">chasgee22@gmail.com</span></a> wrote:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">>> Would it have to be at the Mitty?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">>> Chuck<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p class="p7"><span class="s7">>>> <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net"><span class="s6">fot@autox.team.net</span></a>> wrote:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="p4"><span class="s2">>>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta during the Mitty.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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