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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>I will agree with Terry, SVRA is a business and it is about the money and cornering the market in vintage racing. I would prefer to race the K Cup with a club owned and run by members. Ken</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986">Mail</a> for Windows</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">Terry Sopher via Fot</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, July 27, 2023 10:42 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:curt.johnston@comcast.net">Curt Johnston</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">yellow04 via Fot</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fot] What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner Cups?Festival or club events?</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>FWIW - Not a fan of SVRA after Kcup with them at Mid-Ohio and from my experience with them prior - they appear to be about chasing $s…<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Jul 27, 2023, at 05:56, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Great debate. I agree with Brian Dolan as well that we should have a mix of venues. Road America was certainly a destination track for me (2,200 miles from the race shop), and Road Atlanta is on my bucket list too. But the track time was extremely limited. I think the KC race was only seven laps. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>For 2023, my personal preference would have been to run the event with CSRG, the local club at Sonoma Raceway. But their races are being held in the spring and fall (March and Sept/Oct/Nov) which seems problematic for those making tows over the mountains passes. SVRA had the later date we needed being the last weekend in April, plus they run at Laguna Seca the very next weekend. Note, we can not get a Kastner Cup race at Laguna with SVRA; the event is just too big. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>I'll work with SVRA to maximize the track time for FOT at Sonoma and report out as soon as possible. I can tell you that if you can make the tow, you will not be disappointed. Sonoma and Laguna Seca should be on your bucket list. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>If we have enough folks attending both events, we should be able to organize some group activities in the wine country or Monterey during the weekdays. The tracks are only about two hours apart, and SVRA accommodates trailer storage for racers running both events. If that's not enough, Sonoma Raceway held an open testing day this year the Friday before the SVRA race.....seven hours of unlimited track time! <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Curt Johnston <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'><a href="mailto:curt.johnston@comcast.net">curt.johnston@comcast.net</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>707-249-1667 <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 07/26/2023 10:20 AM PDT yellow04 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry for the repeat. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are trying to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would prefer to run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more intimate club events. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian! <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific (bucketlist?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I would love to get back to Road Atlanta. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=replybody1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06 PM yellow04 via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we <br>racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options <br>are the smaller club events, or the big festival events. <br><br>Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many <br>aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of <br>event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check <br>out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our <br>cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the <br>fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are <br>as follows: <br><br>Festival Events <br><br>Typically higher entrance fees. <br>Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a <br>wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility <br>of incidents, shortening sessions. <br>Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility <br>with the packed schedule. <br>Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from <br>a wide variety of media. <br><br>~ <br><br>Club Events <br><br>Typically lower entrance fees. <br>More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run <br>group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't <br>usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted <br>by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience. <br>Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good <br>exposure from the normal sources. <br><br>~ <br><br>I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the <br>biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated <br>track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is <br>all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer <br>friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the <br>success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and <br>very strong numbers for racers with very long tows. <br><br>Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer <br>future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events? <br><br>While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run <br>at? That would be helpful information as well! <br><br>Cheers <br><br>Henry Frye <br><br><br>On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote: <br>> I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is attended very <br>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran <br>> at Road Atlanta. <br>> <br>> Ronnie <br>> <br>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, <a href="mailto:chasgee22@gmail.com">chasgee22@gmail.com</a> wrote: <br>>> <br>>> Would it have to be at the Mitty? <br>>> <br>>> Chuck <br>>> <br>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <br>>>> <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: <br>>>> <br>>>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta during the Mitty. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________ <br>fot@autox.team.net <br><br>http://www.fot-racing.com <br><br>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html <br>Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot <br>Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/curt.johnston@comcast.net <br><br><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'>_______________________________________________<br>fot@autox.team.net<br><br>http://www.fot-racing.com<br><br>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html<br>Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot<br>Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher@gmail.com<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>