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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">My wife and I both feel that the smaller "club level" events are more fun to race at and typically give more of the vintage feel and companionship that we find so fun about racing vintage cars. The Eagles Canyon and the Blackhawk Kastner were really great, with good, vintage appropriate feel and plenty of track time. Portland was somewhere in the middle. SVRA is much more geared towards providing for the T/A and F4 series, with vintage being sort-of an "also-ran". Track time was decent, but not as good as Blackhawk or Eagles. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">The RA event is a bit of an exception for us as we live here and the parade on Friday night is, quite frankly the "main event" of the race weekend. Having the Kastner Cup at this year's event was just icing on the cake. That being said, the track time was pretty limited, and even though group 2 and the Cup kept things clean and had very little time lost to yellows, that isn't common for events with packed schedules. I think the Can-Am race Sunday only had one green lap before things went pear shaped in 14. I suspect the Watkins Glen race and parade are a similar deal. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">The costs are also another consideration, but not as big a one to my thinking, since none of us got into racing because it was inexpensive. <img title="Emoji" alt="Emoji" class="yahoo-emoji-wrapper" height="16" src="https://s.yimg.com/nq/yemoji_assets/latest/yemoji_assets/1f923.png" width="16" style="padding: 0px 2px; vertical-align: middle;" data-inlineimagemanipulating="true"></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Cheers!</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Jake and Karen Jacobsen</div><div><br></div>
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On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:03:00 AM CDT, yellow04 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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<div><div dir="ltr">This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we <br clear="none">racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options <br clear="none">are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many <br clear="none">aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of <br clear="none">event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check <br clear="none">out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our <br clear="none">cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the <br clear="none">fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are <br clear="none">as follows:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Festival Events<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Typically higher entrance fees.<br clear="none">Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a <br clear="none">wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility <br clear="none">of incidents, shortening sessions.<br clear="none">Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility <br clear="none">with the packed schedule.<br clear="none">Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from <br clear="none">a wide variety of media.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">~<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Club Events<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Typically lower entrance fees.<br clear="none">More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run <br clear="none">group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't <br clear="none">usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted <br clear="none">by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.<br clear="none">Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good <br clear="none">exposure from the normal sources.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">~<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the <br clear="none">biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated <br clear="none">track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is <br clear="none">all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer <br clear="none">friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the <br clear="none">success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and <br clear="none">very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer <br clear="none">future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run <br clear="none">at? That would be helpful information as well!<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Cheers<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Henry Frye<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="ydpb973eab7yqt4642929594" id="ydpb973eab7yqtfd51271"><br clear="none">On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:<br clear="none">> I suppose it wouldn’t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very<br clear="none">> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran<br clear="none">> at Road Atlanta.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Ronnie<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, <a shape="rect" href="mailto:chasgee22@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">chasgee22@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Would it have to be at the Mitty?<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Chuck<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <br clear="none">>>> <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta <br clear="none">>>> During the Mitty.<br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.fot-racing.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Donate: <a shape="rect" href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br clear="none">Archive: <a shape="rect" href="http://autox.team.net/archive" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/archive</a> <a shape="rect" href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</a><br clear="none">Unsubscribe/Manage: <a shape="rect" href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen@yahoo.com</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div></div>
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