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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE>Hi Dave,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>people here are normally easy with race cars in traffic if the driving is not too offensive.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Occasionally the police have a look but they’re more interested to see the engine.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The female police officers look a bit bored meanwhile.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DE>Von:</span></b><span lang=DE> David Gott <triumphsix@yahoo.com> <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 6. Februar 2023 03:15<br><b>An:</b> tr4racing@googlemail.com; 'Philip Gott' <vfracing@aol.com>; 'Friends Of Triumph' <fot@autox.team.net><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] Pistons<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Chris,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think someone must have spotted you after loading up; see below. Normally people advise against running a car with a cage on the street, but I think we can all see the wisdom of the full cage for a Home Depot trip! I would think the racing springs also increase your load capacity as well!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Take care!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dave Gott<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><img width=1865 height=1380 style='width:19.427in;height:14.375in' id="Bild_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D93B11.DF42F390" alt="Inline image"><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><br><a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS">Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yahoo-quoted-begin style='margin-top:0cm'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#715FFA'>On Saturday, February 4, 2023, 1:03 PM, Chris Marx via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div id=yiv7574752228><div><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal><span lang=DE>Good power Phil.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal><span lang=DE> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal>Mine has about 155hp at the wheels at 6100 rpm.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal>The piston clearance was set to meet the requirements of the Nordschleife.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal>You go up hill at about max rev for 40 seconds. Everything gets quite hot…hotter than on normal tracks.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal>And still I can drive the car on normal road traffic buying planks at the home depot<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal><img border=0 width=512 height=379 style='width:5.3333in;height:3.9479in' id="yiv7574752228Grafik_x0020_1" src="cid:image002.png@01D93B11.DF42F390"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div id=yiv7574752228yqt79197><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal><b><span lang=DE>Von:</span></b><span lang=DE> Philip Gott <<a href="mailto:vfracing@aol.com">vfracing@aol.com</a>> <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 4. Februar 2023 14:08<br><b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com">tr4racing@googlemail.com</a>; Friends Of Triumph <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] Pistons</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal>Everyone making good points, but just to throw this out there: we’ve built a couple of “budget” engines with cast flat top pistons to good effect. We shift at 6000 and have good life and good power (over 140 Hp at the wheels). So you can run those with no fear if set up correctly.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal>With forged pistons set to proper clearance we would expect less sliding friction and hence more power ( the pistons are the single biggest area of friction-based parasitic loss in an engine) due to both slipper design and less distortion under load for forged pistons. Have been building an engine with Arias pistons (yes, they are now owned by Carillo) - it’s been a work in progress for a while, and Dave now running Wiseco pistons.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal>You choose your path and make it work, just “don’t be beaten by equipment!”<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Phil Gott<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Feb 4, 2023, at 3:06 AM, Chris Marx via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal><span lang=DE>Hi Tony,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal><span lang=DE> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal>regardless what the manufacturer says I set forged pistons on 0,13mm clearance.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal>Runs forever, never any issues, no piston slap. That’s my engine man recommended and so we did.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal>My TR4 runs on the same pistons now for 10 years with one change of rings inbetween.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal>On aluminum engines – different story.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal><b><span lang=DE>Von:</span></b><span lang=DE> Fot <<a href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Tony Sheach via Fot<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 3. Februar 2023 17:44<br><b>An:</b> DAVE HOGYE <<a href="mailto:dlhogye@comcast.net" target="_blank">dlhogye@comcast.net</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Erik Jacobsen via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] Pistons</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal>Hi folks <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal>I have a set of Wiseco 89mm pistons that i bought maybe 10 years ago I was going to use in a torquey rally engine with a set of Carillo rods - is there an issue with piston / liner clearances as some have said ? Or is it just a question of not letting the engine run over hot ?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal>I have Venolia’s in my other bigger capacity engine and they have been great, but I’m not so sure about Uk supply any more. They also needed the longer Carillo rods, so if I go that route I end up with a set of pistons I don’t need.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal>What’s the advice from the wise ?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Tony <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 3 Feb 2023, at 16:22, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>I believe that J&E owns Wiseco. The Kipp family in Ohio started Wiseco and owned it until a few years ago. I found this out when I called J&E about ordering pistons, or I called Wiseco. Can't remember who I called first. Tom Kipp was a top AMA Super Sports and Super Bike racer during the '90s. Wiseco was a big sponsor of AMA and might still be. I installed a Wiseco 1200cc piston kit in my '93 H-D Sportster way back in the '90s. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Dave H. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal>On 02/03/2023 4:41 AM Erik Jacobsen via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><br><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com" target="_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://autox.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/archive</a> <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach@live.co.uk" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach@live.co.uk</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=yiv7574752228msonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><br><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com" target="_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://autox.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/archive</a> <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing@aol.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing@aol.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><div id=yqt67011><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><br><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com" target="_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://autox.team.net/archive%20" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/archive </a><a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix@yahoo.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix@yahoo.com</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>