<div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:black;"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">Marcel;</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">Yes, that could be. I wonder of the viton valve seat needs this, as there are some viton tipped needles out there with no spring in them. </div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">Just curious at this point. Seems like nothing to worry about for a race car...</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">Thanks again,</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">Phil<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>To: fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>Sent: Fri, Mar 19, 2021 4:50 am<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] Float needle valves<br><br></div><div id="yiv6373817627"><div><div style="font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;"><div> <div>Maybe the spring is there to even out the pressure on the needle/valve seat surface when the fuel is agitating on the float . In doing so the plastic end on the needle doesn't wear out but higher fuel pressure can easily lift the needle off the seat. I believe this is useful for a road car but not for a race car.</div><div>Marcel.</div><div><br clear="none" style="color:#000000;font-family:verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;background-color:#fdfdfd;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;"></div></div><div><br clear="none"></div><hr id="yiv6373817627zwchr"><div><b>Van: </b>"fot" <fot@autox.team.net><br clear="none"><b>Aan: </b>"Bruce Stutzman" <stutztr4@gmail.com><br clear="none"><b>Cc: </b>"fot" <fot@autox.team.net><br clear="none"><b>Verzonden: </b>Vrijdag 19 maart 2021 02:38:52<br clear="none"><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] Float needle valves<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Yes. I don’t really understand why the little spring is used, which is why I asked. Joe told me the same thing but not why....<div>Phil<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><blockquote>On Mar 18, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Bruce Stutzman <stutztr4@gmail.com> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></blockquote></div><blockquote><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Unfortunately I don't remember which, but Joe Curto specifies solid needles for certain SUs and spring loaded for others.<div>Bruce Stutzman</div></div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv6373817627gmail_quote"><div class="yiv6373817627gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 5:58 PM Phil Gott via Fot <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="yiv6373817627gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex;"><div>Thanks, everyone!<div>Phil<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><blockquote>On Mar 17, 2021, at 3:27 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></blockquote></div><blockquote><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif;font-size:16px;">
<div dir="ltr">Tony,</div><div dir="ltr">Yeah, same scenario in my Bugeye with 3-screw tops (even if they're tiny compared to your TR-4 carbs), one front pivot, one back pivot. </div><br clear="none">
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<p>With the SU's with the 3 screw tops we ended up with one pivoting
at the front and another at the back. Any other orientation
resulted in weirdness after hard braking, right when you want to
stomp the gas.</p>
<p>Another vote against grose jets, they couldn't handle hardly any
fuel pressure and the stock needle valves did great under up to 7
psi (more than we wanted, but fighting the doggone regulators).<br clear="none">
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Yup.
<div>Had that problem. Floats must “face” fore and aft, meaning
the pivot points across the car. WIth pivots at an angle to the
car we first tried to overcome the apparent starvation in turns
by increasing the fuel pressure, which just made things worse.
Fuel pressure at 2 1/2 psi and fore/aft floats works well.</div>
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<div><span style="font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0 );">NO
GROSSS JETS...lousy and not for competition....Use
GOOD/New old style floats....you need positive open
and close.....heres a tip..check your float
direction for best perf....meaning , are you having
brake to accel. probs on heavy brake corners? You
prob have each float facing toward center...not
best....Solved by making both floats face same
direction(frt. or back)....rick</span></div>
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<div>Thanks, Erik and Joe;
<div>Good to know.</div>
<div>I’ve had Gross Jets hang open with some royal
flooding. Won’t use those again!</div>
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<div dir="ltr">I use the plain old solid
needles in both street and race cars
and haven't had any issues. They do
wear out eventually, but after 7 years
in the race car, I still haven't had a
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<div dir="ltr">Phil, years ago
I stopped using Gross Jets,
which have the spring loaded
ball on the end of the float
needle. I suspected some
flow issues and others had
said that they had issues.
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EDT, Phil Gott via Fot
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have experience with
needle valves that do
not have the spring
loaded contact where
the needle valve rests
on the float? Is a
solid one better,
worse, or require
different set up?</div>
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