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<div> <font size="2">Another point that should be mentioned re fire bottles, never, ever, trust a fire bottle w/a plastic neck.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">Like the wally-world 2 1/2 pounders; I don't know if they're still on the market, they're junk, unless much improved.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">They have a history of failure to go poof, while reading in the green.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">I had one real-world failure & there have been many reports of the same.</font></div>
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From: Ernest Husmann via Fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>
To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv@roadrunner.com>; Bob Kramer <rkramer56@gmail.com><br>
Cc: Friends Of Triumph <fot@autox.team.net><br>
Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2021 10:56 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hey guys, been reading this thread on fire suppression. I have decades of experience in loss control and with OSHA, NFPA and other government regs. Interesting reads if you're having trouble sleeping. Requirements for this equipment can be found in OHSA 1910.157 and a fair number of NFPA standards which are referenced in OSHA standards therefore enforceable.<br clear="none"></div>
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<div dir="ltr">First, using water as an extinguishing agent around any welding equipment is ill advised. Welders and other machine tools require lots of electricity, particularly if you have 220/3 phase or higher power. Water for quenching is one thing but for fires around electrical circuits is something else. If you don't want to expose your equipment to chemicals or water fire blankets will work for small incipient stage fires.<br clear="none"></div>
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<div dir="ltr">All fire extinguishers should be Class ABC and placed at either 50 ft or 70ft depending on the function of the business. With welding it will most likely be 50 ft. If you are working with magnesium then a Class D extinguisher is required. Size is not specified but for industrial 5 lb is the norm for portable extinguishers.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Inspection of fire extinguishers is multi level. Every month the employer must document the inspection of the extinguisher to insure the and extinguisher is stored in it's designated place, there is no damage or missing parts, and pressure is adequate or in the "green". Each year the extinguisher must be inspected by a certified technician for a variety of items but mostly for weight and certification of the extinguisher.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">First aid kits are not a regulatory requirement unless you are more than a certain time away from medical assistance (clinic or EMT) but are always a great idea. Make up your own kit rather than purchase kits that have items you will never use and are generally short on high use items. Super glue and terri/steri strips are a good item to include for small cuts. Knuckle and finger tip band aids are good to have as well.<br clear="none"></div>
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<div dir="ltr">One of the interesting things about government regs is they frequently contradict themselves or are confusing. As for fire extinguishers 1910.157 requires fire extinguishers but also prohibit any one who is not trained annually from using an extinguisher.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">If you have any questions please feel free to contact me. Past employers generally billed me out at $300/hr but FOT people get a huge discount.<br clear="none"></div>
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On Sunday, January 17, 2021, 9:29:53 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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<div>Band Aids? Those are for the house. A strip of paper towels held in place by electrical tape is the shop solution.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite">On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:29 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></blockquote></div>
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<div>Band Aids, lots of Band Aids seems I’m always cutting or poking myself with
something sharp. Tylenol for the aches and pain of age related things maybe I
shouldn’t be doing.</div>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AM</div>
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<div dir="ltr">I’ll add to the pile. </div>
<div dir="ltr">In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements,
I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to
drop something rusty in my eye. (I don’t only work on a clean race car.
(Currently, it’s a ‘67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the
day.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I’m grinding welds,
suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I’ve got to track down the
splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet
relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">(Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn’t
have to grind...👍)</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Good advice, all of it.
<div>In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5
gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for
dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a
hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my
barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes!</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Sounds a bit silly, but a broom. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which
OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age.
Keeps you from taking them off to see better. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">And a phone to call for help. :)</div>
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<div>Paul,
<div>Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get
inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF
extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my
shop.</div>
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<div>The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type
fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while
you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. </div>
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<div>He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to
knock down small flare ups.</div>
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<div>I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding
work has cooled completely.</div>
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<div>I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage.</div>
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<div>When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if
possible.</div>
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<div>Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items!</div>
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have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments
with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs
money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own
environments.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">We have been updating a lot of items in the areas
that we work on car and car parts. It is fun to spend money on
tools and equipment. However, safety equipment is not always as
fun. Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires
damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire
department could arrive. While I was running large car dealerships
and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be
used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed
to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in
the right places.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety
equipment. Including:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">1. Splatter/spark screens for
areas that we weld or grind<br clear="none">2. High quality US made fire
extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the
the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really
quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not
put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil
all over really quickly.<br clear="none">3. Spark resistant blankets for use
when we are welding in areas that things should be covered<br clear="none">4.
Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that
could have sparks<br clear="none">5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat
sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where
we tune engines)<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of
accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what
the group has done in their work areas.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Does anyone have anything
else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage
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