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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Hi Randall, and thanks again for your help on my starter problem... and also to the others on the FOT list who have chimed in. For the benefit of those who missed it in earli9er email strings, I've attached the exploded diagram you sent me. I'm beginning to think I am wasting my time trying to get a good working starter out of the parts that I have.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I am working on an early (prior to 50,000) TR-2/3 starter (the one where the shaft coming out of the body is covered with a cap). The problem is that I can't get the major components of the starter (the rubber unit assembly, and the sleeve, etc.) to slide off the shaft. I have followed your instructions (included below in this email string) as follows:<br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><div> "In the attached diagram, you pull away the collar, A, then <br clear="none">> > pry the retaining ring B out of it's groove. Then you have <br clear="none">> > to work retaining ring C out of the pinion barrel D. With it <br clear="none">> > removed, the pinion & barrel should just slide off, exposing <br clear="none"><div>> > the Bendix drive inside"</div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I removed the collar and the retaining ring (A & B), and pryed the retaining ring (C) out of the pinion barrel (D). This exposes the bendix drive. So far, so good. In order to replace the rubber unit assembly (these are available), I will have to slide the bendix drive and the old rubber unit assembly off the shaft. I thought these would just slide off at this point, but no, that is not the case. I even tried putting it in a hydraulic press and got no movement whatsoever. So, there must be something else holding these items on the shaft. Can anyone help me identify the missing piece? Thanks to all.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Jack<br></div></div><div><br></div></div>
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On Saturday, October 19, 2019, 9:44:04 PM EDT, Randall <TR3driver@ca.rr.com> wrote:
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<div><div dir="ltr">I'm sorry, Jack, I don't. Stuff doesn't rust much around here.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">But if you're sure the clips are out, I would probably make up a simple<br clear="none">clamp to grab the barrel. Just take a scrap of 2x4 lumber, maybe 6" long,<br clear="none">and drill a hole the same diameter as the barrel. Cut through the hole<br clear="none">lengthwise, then use a couple of bolts to clamp the two halves together over<br clear="none">the barrel. Then you could hang that in a press, and use a brass drift to<br clear="none">press on the end of the shaft. Should get it apart, without undue damage.<br clear="none">(But if it's rusted that badly, it may be toast anyway.)<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Note that the "control nut" K has "ears" that stick through the slots in the<br clear="none">barrel. They have to slide out as it comes apart, which is why you can't<br clear="none">apply force on the inside end of the barrel.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">-- Randall <br clear="none">56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver<br clear="none">71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild<br clear="none">71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild <br clear="none"><div class="ydp1651197yqt3753403462" id="ydp1651197yqtfd84441"><br clear="none">> -----Original Message-----<br clear="none">> From: Jack Wheeler [mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:jwheeler1947@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jwheeler1947@yahoo.com</a>] <br clear="none">> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 2:59 PM<br clear="none">> To: Randall<br clear="none">> Cc: FOT List<br clear="none">> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-2/3 Starter Question<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Hi Randall. Thanks again. I took your exploded diagram and <br clear="none">> instructions to the guy working on my starter yesterday. It <br clear="none">> looks to me like he is doing everything right, but it just <br clear="none">> won't come apart. He's reluctant to apply too much pressure, <br clear="none">> or hit it too hard with a hammer, for fear of breaking <br clear="none">> something. He's removed the collar and the two retaining <br clear="none">> rings, but can't slide the bendix off the shaft. He's <br clear="none">> working with 2 starters and both are experiencing the same <br clear="none">> problem. I'm wondering if it might just be a build-up of <br clear="none">> rust on the shaft, that is keeping it from coming apart. Do <br clear="none">> you have any experience with this?<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> This is getting frustration. Best regards.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Jack<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> On Friday, October 18, 2019, 9:32:40 AM EDT, Randall <br clear="none">> <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">TR3driver@ca.rr.com</a>> wrote: <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> That's just from the workshop manual. Here's the whole thing <br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2H2NJt34OffYWZiN2VlZGMtNTkx" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2H2NJt34OffYWZiN2VlZGMtNTkx</a><br clear="none">Mi00NGUzLWE4Nz<br clear="none">> MtMGRkODRkYzU3MDU1<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> -- Randall<br clear="none">> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver<br clear="none">> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild<br clear="none">> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> > -----Original Message-----<br clear="none">> > From: Jack Wheeler [mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:jwheeler1947@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jwheeler1947@yahoo.com</a>] <br clear="none">> > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 5:40 AM<br clear="none">> > To: Randall<br clear="none">> > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-2/3 Starter Question<br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > Thanks, Randall. The exploded diagram will be very helpful.<br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > Jack<br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > On Thursday, October 17, 2019, 7:53:40 PM EDT, Randall <br clear="none">> > <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">TR3driver@ca.rr.com</a>> wrote: <br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > It has been awhile, but I've had those early starters apart <br clear="none">> > many times.<br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > In the attached diagram, you pull away the collar, A, then <br clear="none">> > pry the retaining ring B out of it's groove. Then you have <br clear="none">> > to work retaining ring C out of the pinion barrel D. With it <br clear="none">> > removed, the pinion & barrel should just slide off, exposing <br clear="none">> > the Bendix drive inside. <br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > I've not asked recently, but my FLAPS used to be able to send <br clear="none">> > those old starters out to be rebuilt. Quoted turnaround was <br clear="none">> > 1 week, but I never tried it. Wouldn't let me talk to the <br clear="none">> > rebuilder directly, though.<br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > Frankly, I got disgusted and installed a gear-drive starter <br clear="none">> > instead. After 10 years of near-daily usage, it did need new <br clear="none">> > bearings and the brushes were about half gone, but I still <br clear="none">> > think it's better. For one thing, it doesn't have the <br clear="none">> > "bonded rubber" drive that seems to fail quite often trying <br clear="none">> > to crank a high compression engine.<br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > BFE used to sell a "fail safe" replacement for the rubber <br clear="none">> > drive, but I think I got the last one many years ago and Ken <br clear="none">> > said he wasn't having any more made. The current proprietor <br clear="none">> > of BFE probably doesn't know anything about them.<br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > -- Randall<br clear="none">> > 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver<br clear="none">> > 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild<br clear="none">> > 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild <br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > > -----Original Message-----<br clear="none">> > > From: Fot [mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] On Behalf Of <br clear="none">> > > Jack Wheeler via Fot<br clear="none">> > > Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 10:29 AM<br clear="none">> > > To: FOT List<br clear="none">> > > Subject: [Fot] TR-2/3 Starter Question<br clear="none">> > > <br clear="none">> > > Does anyone have any experience with rebuilding the early <br clear="none">> > > starters, as used on TR-2's and TR-3's, up to about chassis <br clear="none">> > > number 50,000 (the "long" starters)? i took my starter to a <br clear="none">> > > local electrical shop a couple of months ago and he is stuck. <br clear="none">> > > He can't figure out how to remove the pinion (with gear) <br clear="none">> > > from the shaft. Is there a secret to getting the pinion off?<br clear="none">> > > <br clear="none">> > > Or, does anyone know of any place that rebuilds these early <br clear="none">> > > starters, who may be able to help me with this question? Or, <br clear="none">> > > I could send the starter to them.<br clear="none">> > > <br clear="none">> > > <br clear="none">> > > Thanks for any help you can give me.<br clear="none">> > > <br clear="none">> > > Jack Wheeler<br clear="none">> > > <br clear="none">> > > <br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div></div>
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