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<p>Now that's impressive; simple, cheap, and it works. Good job.</p>
<p>Cheers, Bill<br>
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<div>I had one stuck last year. This is the little pulled I made
from 2 exhaust clamps and some all thread rod. Worked like a
champ.?</div>
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On Aug 11, 2019, at 11:45 AM, barry rosenberg via Fot <<a
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Tapered bearings do not
work very well in the TR7/8 5 speed so I would not
expect much better in the TR3-6 box. Why not chuck the
lay gear in your lathe, bore out the hole a little
deeper and make a long bronze oil-lite bearing for it? I
have done this dozens of time with no problems. Also
mich the replacement lay shaft as the ones for MGBs are
.0025" too small!</div>
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<div> On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 11:31:25 AM CDT, Glenn
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<div>Yes exactly right.</div>
<div>By writing this post, I was actually hoping
that someone had come up with a good method or
tool to get that bugger out of the case.</div>
<div>So far I have not. </div>
<div>Its hard enough to get the left over shell of
that bearing out of the laygear when you can get
the thrust washer out. I have had to resort to
grinding a slot in the bearing shell to remove
it.</div>
<div>I would appreciate it if someone has a
procedure for installing a tapered roller
bearing.?I would be interested in giving it a
try.</div>
<div>Glenn ?<br>
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<div> <font size="2">Yes Glenn that's exactly
what happens.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">It's not an issue with the
circlip gears converted to the shell
bearings obviously but too common with the
pressed only.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">I put a little loctite on
them, they're usually a bitch to remove
anyway.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">In addition to the high
load on the rear of the laygear &
bearing, it's exacerbated by all of the
little bits of metal generated directly
above by the graunching going into 1st
& reverse, that stuff gets behind the
thrust washer and eats up the backside of
the washer & the case.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">I share your pain...</font></div>
<div><font size="2">Glen<br>
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph 4 speed O/D's
and Layshaft bearing failures.<br>
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<div>Just to clarify, the problem is
on both 4 speed and 4 speed O/D
transmissions.</div>
<div>Every failure I encounter is
with the caged needle bearings not
the loose needle bearings in the
very early transmissions. The last
few years I have been rebuilding
many TR3 and TR4 Transmissions. </div>
<div>The bearing shell (that holds
the needles in place) works/walks
along the shaft and forces itself
into the small thrust washer that
is near the smaller 1st gear. The
shell will then fracture into
pieces and the remaining will dig
into the thrust washer and then
the case if not removed soon
enough.</div>
<div>The caged bearing shells are
available through Moss but the
problem is getting that laygear
out of the transmission case. As I
stated earlier, to remove the
laygear ( after the shaft is
removed ) the small thrust washer
needs to be removed so the laygear
can tilt and worked out of the
case. </div>
<div>When the bearing shell machines
its way into the thrust washer its
almost impossible to get it out.
Then you have a scrap case on your
hands.</div>
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<div> <font size="2">That
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failure you
described is more
prevalent when the
tranny has an O/D or
is it a general
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<div>Just
finished
another A Type
Overdrive
rebuild this
afternoon.
Next one I do
I'm going to
insist that
the owner
bring a spare
4 speed for
parts or maybe
2.</div>
<div>I very
rarely find an
overdrive
transmission
that the
layshaft
bearing next
to 1st that
hasn't walked
and tried to
escape the
case through
the thrust
bearing. I
have tried in
vane to remove
the
laygear?with
one that
ground its way
into the
thrust bearing
and sometimes
the case. I
sometimes get
the laygear
out but in
most cases the
trans case
with the
laygear is
sent to scrap.</div>
<div>Does anyone
have a
solution,
trick, special
tool, to ease
the laygear
out. The
normal way is
to remove the
small thust
bearing with a
magnet so you
can tilt the
laygear enough
to get it out.
I have even
once resorted
to?a " Slugger
Slide Hammer"
and chain
wrapped around
the laygear to
get it out.
Didn't end
well however.</div>
<div>I did read
somewhere that
someone is
using a
tapered roller
bearing on
that end which
would make
more sense
than the
original
design.</div>
<div>Please
advise</div>
<div>Thanks in
advance</div>
<div>Glenn</div>
<div>TR6, TR250,
Miata, 47 MG
TC For Sale,
73 BMW E10
2002 being
restored</div>
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